The Shintaro Higashi Show - Difference in Mentality between Champions and Hobbyists

Episode Date: June 14, 2022

Most of us are hobbyists, and often look at world-class champions for inspiration. As a result, champions are often mystified and it's hard to discern what is actually required, especially in terms of mentality, to become a champion if one wishes to be. In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss the difference in mentality between champions and hobbyists, and try to paint an accurate and real picture on what's mentally required to be a champion and what that means for hobbyists. Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

hello everyone welcome back to the shintaro higashi show with peter you if you really like our stuff you could get on patreon and subscribe to our thing there's going to be a link you know one of the main benefits is that you get access to the discord chat that i'm rarely ever on i'm very sorry about that he'll be on it though yeah you can chat with me i'm i'm usually on so yeah it's a nice community of people. And this topic was a suggestion from one of our patrons, Roger. Thank you for the suggestion, Roger. The difference in mentality between judo champions like serious athletes and hobbyists.

Yes, that's a great one. You know both. You know both worlds because you've been a serious athlete and now you mentor you teach hobbyists so it'd be interesting to see hear your take so yes take it away take it away okay so the biggest difference obviously between a champion and a hobbyist is the amount of time invested in the sport. Right. A lot of the champions that I know or knew, right, spent a lot of time day in and day out. That's all they do. It's very, very, very difficult to do school, work, girlfriend,

this and that, boyfriend, whatever it is. There has to be some kind of sacrifice in order to spend the proper amount of time. I tried to have it all for a very long time, right? Go get my degree, go get my master's degree, you know, work, make money, have a good social life and try to make an Olympic team.

Yeah. You know, it turned out to be a very, very, very difficult task. The people who I know who've made it, no job, no school, train eight hours a day. Okay, no school, train eight hours a day. Okay? When I say train eight hours a day, that's their job.

That's their full thing. Whether they're getting paid or not getting paid doesn't matter. Yeah. More than a job. That's their entire thing. That's all they're given. Everything in their life to accomplish this thing and be the best at this thing. Okay? That's a champion mindset.

And, you know you know champion the word kind of gets thrown around everyone loves champions right but i think it's a little bit overrated yeah because it comes at a cost it comes at a cost and that lifestyle is not for everybody you know people associate the word with champion right like oh man the best the pinnacle the peak i want to be like the champions it's like really you want to give up all the things that you've ever earned in your life give it all up and maybe trade it for what the champions got here it's a really tough ask you know it's a really tough ask i think so it's a very very different thing than uh most people think right and yeah it's like it's such a hard journey because no matter how you try you gotta be lucky too like you you know there are so many people who want to be champions but never make it

just because they just got unlucky, got some injuries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not even that. I mean, think about it, right? If you're going to be a master virtuoso violinist or one of my ex-girlfriends who was a violist. She played the viola at Juilliard. She was a master student at Viola in Juilliard,

which is like one of the best music schools in the world. And she would practice her freaking music eight, nine hours a day easily. Any industry, right? That's some dedication. If you're playing ball or if you're playing an instrument or if you're trying to get really, really good at chess, you have to put in and maximize all your time

to be very good at it. And each one of those hours, minutes, seconds that you're training or practicing has to have meaning, has to yield good results. Okay? So it requires intense focus. Now, I said eight hours as an example. No one can do hard judo for eight hours. Right. But you could do a two-hour morning session, take a little break, have lunch, do a light technical session, take a little break, right?

Do your running, do your lifting, do your conditioning, take a long stretch of break, three or four hours, and then do a two- or three-hour Judo practice at night. That's a total of about five to eight hours of training, real training. Right. And you could do that five, six days a week. And people do. People do that. Yeah, Olympians do that. Yeah.

Day in and day out, it becomes tedious. You're drilling the same stuff over and over because you're trying to develop a specialty technique. For instance, if you're at the National Training Center, over-under pass is a thing. Anytime someone misses sumi or tomonage you go over underpass so you draw over underpass hundreds of times a day at least 20 30 minutes a day you're drilling the over underpass okay person misses on throw juji from the top you're drilling juji from the top for 20 minutes every single freaking day all right this is the reaction reaction, reaction C.

Over on the pass, person turns in. Over on the pass, person turns out. You're doing it over and over and over and over and over again. It sucks. And then even if you just love judo and that's why you chose the path to become a champion that could wear you down you know that's something you could yeah that tediousness that meticulousness it's not coming to judo tonight oh yeah what's up guys like drilling hanging out throwing down you know beat him up like work out i hit somebody with the throw do nagakomi you know work out at

the end of it sweat and be like like, oh man, it's great. It's not like that. You know, each one of your rounds should have meeting. You have a coach that's working with you. They have their ideas and opinions, and then you have yours and you have to communicate and those, make those two things mesh. Right. Right. And then you have to have the proper training partners to be able to implement. And then sometimes it's like, oh man, And then you have to have the proper training partners to be able to implement. And then sometimes it's like, oh, man, you suck against lefties. We need tall lefties in the room. Who's a tall lefty player in here?

There's two of them. All right. That should be the bulk of your workout. You're going to go each of them two rounds, two rounds. Yeah, but it sucks, right? Like I want to work out with this guy. I want to work out with that guy i want to work out that guy i want to right so your whole mindset has to be just skill acquisition skill acquisition right taking care of your body skill acquisition you know it takes a very very yeah go ahead right no so now

i mean you went through this and how would you make it like how just stay with it for so long this tediousness i didn't really stay with it that long you know because i kind of took the approach of a hobbyist for most of my life you know i just didn't and here's one of the lucky things like i had a judo dad right so with the gym three or four years old with the judo gym yeah you know what i mean so it wasn't like i want to go play little league like go have some fun son like in the sun like play some baseball it wasn't like that it's like you're League, like go have fun in the sun, like play some baseball. It wasn't like that. It's like you're coming to judo three days, whether you like it or not.

You know what I mean? Right, right, right. So like just being exposed to it. You know, back in the day, there was no YouTube. There was none of this stuff. So it's like you have to figure it out by yourself. You know what I mean? So like just being exposed to it, doing judo sort of in a hobbyist school

right because it wasn't like you know dojo is pretty competitive my dojo but it wasn't like we were pumping out national champions left and right right you know we had olympians you know coming through the dojo before but you know it's not a training center yeah i mean it kind of is but it also isn't you know what i mean right The number four guy in the world is not coming to my club, you know, and then seeking out, oh, I need to train for the Grand Slam in Paris. Let me go train on the Shintaro. That's not happening, really. They're not coming to me. They're going to like, you know, Kokushikan University in Japan, or they're going to Russia, or they're going to, you know, the National Training Center in France.

You know what I mean? It's a different place. to the national training center in France. You know what I mean? It's a different place. So even when you lived at the Jimmy Pedro training center, you don't think you stayed enough to experience this

in a way? I experienced this because I've been going to Japan every summer since I was in high school. Not every summer, but I went to Japanapan many many summers back to back kukushikan university so i'm on the mat with like uchishiba who was an olympic gold medalist right suzuki was you know kukushikan you know i remember last time i went the georgian

national team was there and there's a hundred guys on the mat you know like i've done all that for sure you know um you know there was that drive, right? Like ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be a judo champ. And that's sort of how, you know, I kind of grew up. That kept you going. Yeah, it was a drive. You know, this is me. This is what I identify with.

I'm going to be the best judo player on this planet. And that's who I am, you know. And, you know, at the end of the day like if in hindsight like i didn't have what it took to like be that guy right because i wanted to go get a master's degree you know go get an nba go have a career you know now i want to take care of my kid like you know people ask me all the time like hey do you ever want to get back in it now that you know what you know yeah It's like, no, man. I'm late 30s.

I want to hang out with my child. I don't want to be training six or seven hours a day. That's a good perspective. That's a good perspective. But there's champions who have that mindset where it's like one track. This is it. This is all I know. This is all I care about.

And they've abandoned all their other options. Dropped out of high school. Didn't go to college. They have no other marketable skill that they can enter the workforce with. Like this is all they know. They freaking love it. And this is their one shot in life.

That's it. This is my only chance to like make a mark on this planet. Like that person is going to train eight hours a day. Right. And if they're lucky enough to have the right coach to guide them, if they're lucky enough not to get injured, and if they're lucky enough to have the means to be able to pay for these trips, then maybe they could crack some sort of lineup on the world roster.

Yeah, and then the real game starts game starts yeah so even one of my guys last years whatever it was he was like i'm gonna be champion for you coach and this and that and sensei i was like you know i was like i'll help you try to get there but in my mind i'm like no you're not you know and i'm right you know what it takes yeah you know what i know what it takes he didn't have what it takes you know and i'm not going to tell him that straight up and you know there was just too many issues uh all right did he have some talent yes did he have work ethic kind of was he coachable no so like there you go you're already done at that point you know what i mean like there's just too many factors and you need too many yeses on the checklist to even have

the base to be able to make it to that next level right it's crazy thought example yeah you're netzker brothers now yeah do you know them you know them yeah from jersey yeah cranford they're like a family of like they're like uh almost like a dynasty you know old right right came from japan you know alongside all the japanese judo pioneers their pops right legend you know my father he was like you know one of the first judokas to bring judo to the tri-state region alongside like my father matsumura all these guys right ran a judo club for like 60 years his son nikki was an olympian also great judoka hanegoshi guy amazing right and now he has two kids who's been doing judo since they're like a child right they're juniors

and winning senior nationals they're under 20 winning senior nationals now. One of them just won nationals. One of them took second in adult nationals. Those kids have the mindset. They're like, I love this. I'm willing to outwork everybody. My dad was an Olympian. My grandpa was a judo guy. I learned so much from them. Judo day in and day out.

And they have the best coaches. And they have access to YouTube. And they're watching this stuff. And they have the best coaches and they have access to YouTube and they're watching this stuff and they're going to every tournament. It's like they're set up for that. You know what I mean? You think they would make it? I think they have what it takes, yes. I think like there's somebody

to look out for. They check all the boxes at the minimum. If they could remain healthy, they could be in the game, you know, five, ten years from now, yeah, absolutely, man. I could see them being the best in the world. Wow. You know? But they have to stay healthy.

We might see them in what's the next Olympics? L.A., right? Yeah. So, like, you know, and there's nothing wrong with being a hobbyist. I actually prefer hobbyists in my gym. When people are doing judo twice a week, three times, they love it. They keep coming back. And they're like, Sensei, I want to go compete.

It's almost like, no, you don't. Because a lot of the times it does more harm than good. We had a guy recently. He's like, I'm going to go compete. Hurt his back. Hasn't been back since. Oh, man. He was so nervous before he even got out there.

You know, and he like lost, felt bad about himself. Then he got hurt. Then he didn't want to go again. And then he was like freaking out. And it's like, how is that good for that person? Right. Right. You know what I mean?

He's not trying to be a champion. Yeah. It's okay, though. You know, that's fine. Like he could be a champion. It's okay though. That's fine. He could be a champion in his own little way here in this realm. But he has other things that he's a champion at. He does a lot of work. It's a time in, time out also.

You know what I mean? And people are always downplayed like, oh, I only train once a week. Yeah, whatever. That's the worst guy. The guy that's like shredded, jacked on Instagram's like i eat anything i want it's like yeah you're genetically that gifted and you're just naturally better than everyone that's what you're trying to signal to the world right and then the guy that does judo that's like i'm killing everybody i only train twice a week you know like i'm just better than everybody you know

like oh goodness right so it's like you never know how much other guys train in you know and if you're coming to the dojo two or three times a week you're never gonna it's gonna be very difficult to beat someone who trains at their gym four or five times a week who's also lifting who's also running who's also been doing it for five years who's only wearing a yellow belt because you wanted to go down and you never know yeah right yeah you really want to be exposed to that you know if this is a thing you know competition period takes a special mindset right the mindset of like i want to go in and know that i'm better than those people who are in that division. Right. I need this validation, right? I need to like stress test this technique or that technique.

I want to go in and feel like an actual fight. Yeah, you know, there's people like that, you know, but that's a very small subsection of the people that walk into the dojo. So it's unfair to force that on them. And you shouldn't judge those people who aren't like that because majority of the gym are hobbyists i want to work out i want to learn some technique i want to feel good about myself i want to build a backbone and you know learn a cool skill essentially and they kind of run the whole And they kind of run the whole thing. They kind of make the whole thing go around, right? The hobbyists.

Yeah. Yes. Because the main athletes were the competitors. They're for themselves. I want to be the champion. I want to be the best. Those guys generally hurt the hobbyists. Yeah.

I had a guy one time. He's like one nationals came in. He's like, Sensei, you you know here to work out with you because you're amazing and all that stuff and it'll be a blessing for all your hobbyists to work out with me too ha ha ha like that was his attitude it's like oh i don't want you touching my hobby oh man yeah you know yeah it's like you can work out with me you can work out with george you can work out with christian girl it's like you can work out with me you can work out with George you can work out with Christian Gerlitz and you can work out with Peter

that's it I don't want you to touch anybody else I don't even know if I really went with this guy if I'm thinking about this right one

that you're talking about there's a lot of guys who come in who have accolades to work out with me at the gym yeah we talked about

they don't care if they hurt my guy yeah. They don't care if they hurt my guy. Yeah, they don't care if I hurt my guys. I care about my guys. I care about improving their lives in a way where it's like, hey, let me show you this stuff. It's really cool. It's interesting. Learn it.

It'll make your life better because it'll make you better in shape, better able to protect yourself, and all these benefits are here. Plus, you get to interact with me. It's fun. It's a fun thing to do to get you in shape it's a positive thing everyone here is nice high professionals around the up west side of manhattan it's a great club it's a great community join us damn look at that brand oh i was yeah that's how it is that's you know what's supposed to be right yeah i am champion from georgia you know i i won the junior champion under 21 now I'm here

for work you know he was like sensei I take you down you give me job okay what kind of bullshit is that I was like what but that's a little bit of a champion mentality too yeah this guy came

all or nothing take it all this guy came from the airport were you here for that i actually missed that practice but i've heard this story yeah dude he literally came from the airport right suitcase to the gym since i take you down you give me job okay i have no job here i'm here to work in the united states i am champion look look at me with my medal under 21 european champion or something nonsense like that yeah it's like this fucking guy yeah well he couldn't take you down though no i beat the hell out of him but like uh you know this is the thing. It's like, do I want that guy, the champion?

Like, do I want anybody in my gym exposed to that douchebag? Like, no. You know, and there's a part of me that was like, get the F out of here. Like, get the, you know, out. Right. But I was like, it was so publicly done where he was like, you know, everyone was like. He puts you on the spot. Yeah.

It's like, what's Sensei going to do? Like, is he going to be a, you know everyone was like he puts you on the spot yeah it's like what's sense you're gonna do like is he gonna be a you know yeah right so i was like i couldn't really like you know back out of it yeah i couldn't back out of that so i was like all right you know and uh yeah but it's like that's a champion but then you can't that you were saying that you know a champ the champion mentality kind of need requires that kind of commitment it requires that it requires that it requires like this almost false sense of like i am the best i am better than everyone i'm willing to outwork everyone school i don't give a shit work i don't care about a career this is all i'm gonna do it's like and you know what i've heard travis say this at a seminar

yeah i actually listened to some clips of him and uh lex freeman he says that a lot he a lot of times yeah when he fights opponents he said i know i can beat this guy i know i'm better than him yeah all that so do you think you can so you don't think it's wise to mix these two mentalities in the same place? So you think it's wise to mix them, like put the champions on the training camp like there and the hobbyist over here? Or do you think that you can actually balance, you know, harmonize the two in the same place?

Yeah, I think it can be done. I think it can be done. We've had nights at the dojo during a stretched era where we had like three or four national level guys right three or four national champs in the room international guys in the room there's like 25 black belts in the room on a friday night everywhere from tri-state area just come in and mesh and work out like you remember those days yeah the glory days the friday night yeah practices yeah you have to like protect the gen pop from that though let them sit on the side and watch you know and even with the champions you know like i remember this you know he was like 250 he was a national junior national champ for the u.s he slammed one of my guys and went like this and he started pounding on. I was like, get that shit out of here.

I was like, do not do that. You know? Right. And this is the beauty of, you know, like if you're, you know, good at judo, you could still kind of like show him and like physically handle him. Be like, listen, mother. Right? You kind of do that. But you could also take him to the side and be like, hey, man, that's not appropriate.

Right, right. That's not the type of gym that i'm running here if you're gonna do that you're not welcome here bro right right what are you doing you know and then obviously like you didn't do it again but like you know you can like curb that kind of behavior you know right and if they're not listening and they're like well i'm here for a fucking champion i'm like you just be like you know what this gym is not for you get out and i've done that worth it many times because like this is a place of respect this is a community of people that want to work out and get better like this is clearly not for you you're a douchebag you know like right so like you can have sort of in this harmonizing thing and you know i've had like sort of champions like international level guys in the room who was here for two weeks three weeks and i would have a conversation even before it starts like hey listen man if anyone is not wearing

a black belt right if brown belts and below like you go with them dude do not throw them please okay i see don't throw them and i'll just straight up tell them don't throw them i know you're a champion some of these guys are gonna work out with you uh don't throw them you know and if you can't do that don't work out it can be done yeah it can be done and then you know i've done things like only work out with these people okay and then like a green belt will walk them hey man you want to go and and i'll be like no you can't go i'm sorry like right it's not safe you know uh you know it's like i've been playing with a dog that you've never played with before it's like look at that

dog let me go pet that dog it's like you don't know what that dog's gonna do right yeah right but with the right coaching with the right person who's kind of like guiding these things, you can have both sort of things. And you could nurture these like champion mindsets in this compartmentalized way because it would be unfair to just everybody, guys, chill out. No one here is going to make an Olympic team. No one here. It's not fair to do that either.

No one here is going to make an Olympic team. You know, no one here. It's not fair to do that either. So the people who are dedicated and want to take that competition path, I have a dedicated path of communication with them and say, hey, if you want it, I'll help you. And then I have a pocket full of guys that I have sort of a different mix with. And they understand that they're a little bit special. Right. a different mix with. And they understand that they're a little bit special, right? But I make it non-visible to the gen pop because if they see that there's tiered rates,

first class citizens are competitors, second class citizens are, you know, community guys. Yeah, then it creates this hierarchy, right? And it's not the case that champions are better than hobbyists. It's really, really not. And if you look at martial arts at the end of the day, it's a quality of life thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? What you want out of your life. Yeah. I nail that point. I cannot stress this point enough to my guys, and I feel like everybody gets that. Competition is not for everybody. We're going to round of applause to Gianni, who just took third at Nationals.

It's not everyone's path, but it's a pretty big deal, so let's give him a congratulations and everybody round of applause, and that's it. He's not better than you because he went to Nationals. He's not better than everyone because he took third at Nationals. We love him. He's great. Give him a pat went to Nationals. He's not better than everyone because he took third at Nationals. We love him. He's great. Give him a pat on the back. He deserves it.

He earned it. He worked hard for it. Right, right. But that's not what you should be wanting to emulate. Everybody has their own path, right? I see. You're an accountant. You're 36 years old.

You were out of shape eight months ago. Now you're in great shape. You're doing judo. Keep going with that. You don't have to try to go to nationals and then expose yourself to all this unnecessary risk. Right. You know what I mean?

Nice. That was good. That was a good summary. Yeah. Yeah. I think... Ranting like crazy. I feel strongly about this competitive stuff.

Yeah. And I just can't even imagine like at training camps where everyone has this champion mentality and just like butting heads with each other dude i guess i've been in rooms where guys break their legs and they just dragging them off the mat and everyone's like ah another one right you hard to get in the fist fight like that know oh god really yeah I saw a guy getting a fist you wanna hear a funny story

I was in Japan and I think it was different Ono not the Ono now took like a German dude dragged him to the corner of the mat and threw him

off the mat onto the wooden like wooden part of the mat like off the mat intentionally did it on purpose I did it twice twice

I think it was an Italian dude this guy gets up and then grabs his lapel and then just Matt. Intentionally? I did it on purpose. I did it twice. Twice? I think it was an Italian dude. This guy gets up and then grabs his lapel and then just fucking starts punching him in the face. Oh, gosh. You got... Yeah.

What happened? It was kind of hilarious. And the Japanese guys just started trying to run away and the guy's holding him trying to swing at him. And then like... Oh, my God.

The Japanese coaches kind of started laughing shinohara was the coach everybody knows he's like oh yeah look at him running over there like a little baby and then like everybody was laughing and then he like eventually got away and then like just ran over there and then like practice just continued like nothing happened people didn't even know oh my god they don't care i mean that probably happened so many times before and then i remember i was working out with benjamin burla from germany he was a german champ and then he like threw me off the mat you know like i like landed on the wood i got up and i was like i'm not that guy i'm not gonna do that please don't do that again

but there's people like that you know but that's the norm in those environments you know that's kind of that's what it takes to just be at the top or even have a shot at it right yeah dude and then they have you know like training camp after a big competition right you just walk out into the middle of the room and put your hand up and you just work out with whoever walks over to you and grabs you sometimes it's a you know world level guy sometimes it's like a b-level guy you never know but you just walk out there hands up i will fight anybody in this room oh that's you know it's impressive yeah you see like georgian dudes 81 90 kilos i don't care if a heavyweight walks up and grabs me he's like this looking around yeah you know and then they'll

work out with anybody and then scrap and fight and go hard and you know the people who do that and it's a different mentality you It requires a very special person. Like I said, there's a checklist of variables before you could even make it to that stage, I think. Coachability is one, like I said. Discipline, diligence, all these different things. It's romanticized. People listening to it like oh yeah i love it you know they love it right that's glamorous but is it really glamorous to

miss you know your kid's birthday or neglect your partner or not build a career or not have any like academic back i'm not saying like people who are champions don't have any of this stuff. Some people, you don't have some of this stuff. But the majority of the people who are trying to make it in their 18, 19, 25, 23, those people who are in the meat of it are not thinking

about their careers. They can't even afford to think about their careers at that point. There's a famous survey they did for Olympians. Like, hey, man, would you give up half of the rest of your remaining life for an Olympic gold medal? Like, if you were to live till 75, you know, you got 50 more years. But now if you get an Olympic medal, you know, you'd have to give up 45 years. You'd die at 40.

Would you take that deal? And it was like 97% of them were like, yes. You know? And like they did this to the extreme. It's like how much of your life are you willing to sacrifice? And there were people who were like, listen, man, if I was guaranteed to earn a gold medal and have that moment where everything I did in life was worth it,

like I would give up the rest of my life and die tomorrow. You know, and that's sort of the mindset that a lot of these guys have going in. And, you know, like, that's an extreme mindset. You know, that's not something that no average human being should strive for. You know, be inspired by how good they are at their thing. But to live that lifestyle, that's really not for me man and you know you could argue like oh yeah shintaro doesn't have a champion's mindset but like no man i don't want to freaking do that yeah you don't even want that not anymore i thought i did i thought i wanted that for years uh you know and then when i didn't get it you know

i got like relative success i guess but like when i didn't get it you know i got like relative success i guess but like when i didn't get it it was like you know was i willing to put a little bit more or you know like yeah did i really have it you know it's like was it something that i should have really gone for more it's like it's tough to say you know people are like oh that's just an excuse you didn't get it you know you're not an olympic champion it's like maybe but if i you know would i ever go back in it again to get it and sacrifice everything i have now no i will not 100 not you know yeah you have a lot of success in your life now you have a lot of joy in your life happiness in your life without i mean i don't know about the gold medal like yeah yeah definitely a

fulfilling life you know with me and stuff yeah yeah cool stuff well that answers the question you think i think so there was um i think a lot of people don't yeah they only see the glamorized version of the champion mentality and you kind of gave a very balanced view of both the champion mentality and the hobbyist mentality and you know i think the goal here is to give people the accurate representation of those two and then you know if you want to be a champion you just go for it but know that there's a lot of things you need to sacrifice and it's not it won't always you need more than just your grit and discipline like a lot of it is luck too and then if you want to just stay as a hobbyist there's no shame in that you know enjoy judo and you know I'm a hobbyist I've always been a hobbyist

yes I competed a little bit but it's a hobbyist hey you're a new york state champion not new york state new jersey that's right lost to anthony man yeah but anyway so um yeah i hope this. And again, this was a suggestion from the Discord server. So if you like our podcast and would like to talk to us and even suggest some topics, consider supporting us on Patreon and join our Discord server. And anything else? No, that's it. I hope I didn't discourage anyone from being a champion you know that's not

my thing and uh you know the term hobbyist has a negative connotation to it it's on the other side of the spectrum but i think there's really is a healthy medium it's not either or you could be a little bit of both yeah you could be a champion in the dojo you could be a champion in the gym you know uh yeah be your own champion is my thing right people think champion like olympic champion the champions of you know whatever it is but be your own champion right main takeaway oh be your own champion well said well put all right well thanks for listening and stay tuned for the next episode