The Shintaro Higashi Show - Everything is Bigger in the Dakotas! | The Shintaro Higashi Show

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Shintaro Higashi returns from a seminar tour through North and South Dakota and shares highlights from his teaching experience with co-host David Kim. They dive deep into the nuances of judo grip fighting, seminar structure, and how to make training safer and more productive for all levels. This episode is packed with practical teaching philosophy, funny travel anecdotes, and martial arts insight.Join my Patreon for:✅ 1-on-1 video call coaching✅ Exclusive technique breakdowns✅ Direct Q&A access✅ Behind-the-scenes training footage🔗 Subscribe & Support Here: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show Links:🇯🇵 Kokushi Budo Institute (The Dojo) Class Schedule in New York, NY 🗽: https://www.kokushibudo.com/schedule🇯🇵 Higashi Brand Merch & Instructionals: https://www.higashibrand.com📚 Shintari Higashi x BJJ Fanatics Judo Courses & Instructionals Collection: https://bjjfanatics.com/collections/shintaro-higashi/David Kim Instagram/YT:  @midjitsu ​

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Good. Very good. I had a long weekend. I was in the Dakotas, North Dakota, South Dakota. So, do you see any bison? You know, we were driving through the Dakotas and it was just all open fields. It was kind of nuts I don't know if you've ever been out to a place like that, but you almost get like reverse claustrophobia Too open It's just too open. It's kind of weird

No trees and then you know, you're driving through and you know know there's a mirage coming off the highway you ever see those Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's are it feels like you're about to drive into a puddle It's a real thing man first and foremost Thank you to the guys who hosted me seriously North Dakota right Fargo River River judo club Steven and JD They took me around they hosted me they're're amazing guys and then they drove me down to Budokan, Dakota Budokan in South Dakota where I met a very, very nice gentleman and he was great and he hosted me and it was really lovely. Thank you very much guys. That's awesome.

So you were in, now where is in North Dakota, where you were, this is where Red Zone is located? Red River? Red River Judo, yeah. I got Felipe mixed up. You got the Red River Judo in Fargo. Okay. It was Brad. Brad was his name from South Dakota.

Brad, good dude, yeah. I'm trying to remember. Yeah. Right. So yeah, tell us a little bit about that. Were both of the seminars that you did a similar material or did you do different material? Usually I do mostly right versus right. And I got into Fargo and Steve is the owner of the dojo and JD's his right hand guy.

They were there for the seminar and they were going to drive me down to South Dakota and take the seminar down there. So I wanted to make sure both gyms had very, very different itineraries. And what's more different than right versus right, right versus left, the kenkayutsu. Ai-yotsu is right versus right, left versus left. Kenkayutsu is righty versus left, lefty versus right. So different configurations, two completely different strategies. Right. So I made sure those guys got the very best. They're obviously friends, I guess. They can do the Vulcan mind meld afterwards, right?

Yes, yes, yes. So we did that. That was really, really fun. And a lot of the times I go to these gyms and I ask, all right, who's lefty, who's righty? I let them drill for a little bit to kind of see some commonalities where I could give them the best differentiated product for a seminar. Because you don't want to go in there like, this is what I do. No one does it. Not interesting. I've been to seminars like that before too. We all have, yes. Yes, yes, we all have. Sometimes, majority of the time, not a lot of lefties in the room, but when I do these

seminars in the middle of nowhere, I get a message later on from the coach who hosted me and says, everyone's starting to do lefty stuff now. After you left? Yeah. After I left. I've had this experience multiple times before because righties going with righties all the time They switch lefty and a lot of these guys aren't getting like deep instruction They're not deep into judo like ten years of doing this stuff a couple years couple months

There's all these beginner and immediate who could still switch because it's not that deep in to the actual sport Yeah, so now all of a sudden they switch and left and they have immediate return Because most they're not used to fighting people with the opposite side. Right. Right. It's like taking like a three-stripe white belt in Jiu-Jitsu and Saira. You're going to only lead left leg from that one and unique cut. And now you got purple and blue belts who've never encountered that before. Who are we going to get to go in the other way? Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Because your usual Dela Hiva games are going to work because the wrong side leg is out front. Right. Right. Obviously

if you're a high level purple brown ball, you can adapt to that. But majority of beginners and intermediates cannot. So I've had seminars where I'm like, I'm showing right versus left. And this is my joke. Half of you guys are going to have to identify as lefty like, I'm showing right versus left, and this is my joke. Half of you guys are gonna have to identify as lefties today. I don't care if you're on the right, you're a liberal today. People love that joke out in the Dakotas. I mean, people love that joke everywhere. Right, right.

Are you lefty? Yeah, you're on the left. You're on the right today. We're all gonna- We're all gonna throw each other. We're all gonna work together. That throw each other. We're gonna work together That's right. That's a great sense. Yeah be a unified room So what was um, so aside from the positional aspect of it?

was it purely, you know sort of gaming that position or Did you cover any other ground? On that right versus So right versus lefty, we did a lot of putting that first hand on and what winning position looks like for the lapel side battle and then the sleeve side battle. And then once those two things are established, what the shoulders are doing, that's the third piece of it. All right, so now we know exactly what the upper body can be doing, whether you engage in the lapel hand side or the sleeve hand side, whether you win the lapel hand,

lose the sleeve hand, but win the shoulder thing, right? So there's many, many iterations of this, went over all of them, and then gave them tools to kind of cycle through. And then we talked about angling your body properly, how to set up those angles by feints, things like this. And then you tie it back to the sleeve hand and the lapel hand, so it's like upper body, angles, upper body, angles.

And then it's based on footwork. So I kind of guided them through the footwork and things like that. They have a great foundation, these guys, because they've been doing judo for quite a while now. So these guys were able to pick it up very, very fast. And then you add in, here are some techniques that I do based on this sort of infrastructure this gripping positional thing thinking and then angling off and footwork and then I enter inside Tato she and go to Shimada

I enter inside Tato she and then go for a ochi from there got it and then I show them a few and then they try doing some of that. And then I'm adding a little bit more sort of a complex thing of like, all right, pressure. How do you pressure forward without getting turned on or thrown? Right? So you have to win these positions, pressure forward, release and then take them out to this direction. So now you have footwork, angling, hand work, hand positioning, pressure forward and then

releasing back. And now all of a sudden, all right guys, you have techniques that you already do. A quarter of the room does Jiu-Jitsu at a high level, and it's usually like high level black belts in BJJ that come to these things. Okay, this is what it would look like if you're using sort of this structure, if you're a Jiu-Jitsu player, you're going to fake guard pull here. You're going to fake the shot here, pressure forward and gain position on this arm. So it sounds like it's a lot of things.

It sounds like it. So it sort of sounds like you're progressing through teaching them cues, right? Like what are your winning cues? You're losing cues, right? Like this is positionally. If you have this, you know you're winning. If you, if you're not opposite. And then I guess creating going beyond that and

creating uh mismatches that fit your own either the techniques you're showing them or the techniques they already have and and sort of putting that all together right yeah and then i'll fix some uh mistakes too that are common in the room so we were doing all the stuff for instance like right hand on the lapel, kenka to the right versus left, looking for that sleeve and gaining this lapel hand position back to that sleeve and then we're entering for a technique and a lot of the guys are going ochi but then flaring their sleeve hand elbow up. So it's like I saw that you know one too many times that okay guys bring it in something I'm seeing here when you're going for that cross body

ochi guy you want to tuck this elbow back and engage your lats because you're much stronger this way you know and then they do that but then their right hand is kind of floating around it's like no no if you have this arm pulling you want to be pushing kind of like a bow and arrow right you have the anchoring and then you're pulling the string and then there's opposing forces that's what you want to create on the guy's face You know check this out, and I mush the guy that I'm doing with you know They must have loved that and then so it's kind of like that

But the beauty of my seminar is you're doing the whole time So these guys are not sitting there listen to me talked to for 45 minutes I'm explaining little bits and pieces of it for two to three minute increments they're doing it for three to five minutes doing it for two to three minute teaching for two and three they're doing it for three to five minutes so even if they can't recall any of the things that I've said that are very specific how to game this sleeve okay there's two ways coming from the top coming from underneath these are the minor details that I use with my fingers, etc. Etc Right now then the person regrab because there's three different reactions that it can be had right?

No, I'm gonna remember any of those details, right? Right, they can go back to my youtube or purchase a video on higashi brand calm But just the fact that after I taught it they were there doing that thing very specific for three to five minutes in almost a Constraints led approach Well, they get two hours of concentrated work this work that put these two together. This is the drill now. Yeah, they can get so much out of it. And their body will probably remember a little bit like they're going to remember being in those situations and maybe not even think about it too much.

They'll just know. I don't want to be here or I'm in a good I'm in a good spot. Right? Yeah, it's a game changer. It's a game changer. And it's experience. And you be here or I'm in a good spot, right? Yeah, it's a game changer. It's a game changer. And it's experience. And when I'm in the room for the seminar, no one gets hurt because guess what? You're not allowed to throw most of the time. You're not doing throws, guys.

We're doing entries. We're doing contextual stuff. And every now and then, the teacher will give me an example, like a thing like, hey, can you please teach these things? Right. Right. And it's just a tamanage.

And then people have to do the tamanage, and then it's a little bit risky. But then I always add the third person. I always put safeguards in, all these different things that I feel like no other seminarian does. Right. Is that the word, seminarian? Yeah, I think so. Last year I did inverted gear. Yeah in Pennsylvania

I'm going actually this coming weekend and they were like, can we do foot sweeps Nelson Prentice who owns inverted gear Academy inverted gear? The the jiu-jitsu gear with the Panda. Yeah, I have any of that. I want to do. Yep, and He's like I want to do foot sweeps and I was like, OK. And we just did foot sweeps the whole time, foot sweep drills and things that they can do on their own. And I've seen their Instagram and them hitting it live in competition. So you know. They want to be cool.

I had a little bit of impact. Yeah. So that's the right versus left. And that was at the Dakota Budokan, right? Yep. In Sioux Falls. And so at the Red River, the right versus right, how did that material differ from, I mean, obviously it's a completely different alignment.

Yeah, different strategy. Yeah, very similar. Yeah, similar, but just different alignment of the grips, right? But the time constraints are a little bit different. So I usually don't do this, usually, but because I like these guys a lot, I flew in on Friday and did a Friday evening seminar for Nogi. You dirty bastard. They got double the value, really, because I usually never do this.

Usually I say hey my radio $4,000 yeah, I thought usually it's four thousand dollars for one session, you know two to three hours But these guys are really kind and all the stuff So I said, all right, we'll do a Friday night no ghee and then Saturday morning I did kids which I usually don't and then the second half was all adults. So that's why it looked a little bit different than my usual thing but a lot of drills. I showed them every dojo you ever go to sort of have very similar pain points especially judo.

You have four or five guys sitting on the sidelines who came to watch the seminar because they can't do the seminar because they just blew up their knee. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Always. Always. And it's very sad.

Yeah. And then even the people on the mat, oh, I can't really do these things because I tore my ACL, you know, eight months ago. I dislocated my shoulder, and then you talk to the owners and they're like, ah, we really can't get past X number of students because people keep getting injured, the retention rate's terrible, people come in and get hurt. I don't know what it is. Maybe these guys are soft. So the question is, how do you do any of this stuff safely is

one of the key questions that I get across the entire country when I travel to do these seminars so a big part of my teaching the seminars is like hey these are the ways to drill the beginner class which is an hour long no one should ever get slammed in that class when you're learning a technique you're trying the technique on someone that's live, that's also trying to take you down. It's very frustrating because first and foremost, none of this stuff works at a beginner level. Yeah. Right?

Beginner, beginner, mandori, the most dangerous thing on the planet. Beginner versus advanced person, beginner will never be able to throw the advanced person with that take down that they just learned right and then that one time the best guy throws that guy relatively hard you're gone you're done you're not going to do it anymore right and then the worst is intermediate intermediate do run Dory together because they're allowed to and then one of them blows out their name yeah so how do you get the most out of your time, teaching, doing, getting in shape?

How do you read the benefits of judo with reduced amount of risk? These are the exercises. Okay, right versus right, here we go. This is gaining position, and now we're gonna pressure our opponent forward, and then we're gonna try to push them out of bounds, without the risk of them turning, dropping, and getting thrown. This is how you do it, you know, alright, let's try it

No one throw no one go hard and then I'll publicly out the people who are doing it too hard Hey, man, relax don't go so hard every now and then you're not supposed to be throwing with someone Boom, someone will slam somebody like dude. That's not what we're doing right now, you know Right, and then they'll be like, oh, not what we're doing right now you know mm-hmm right and then they'll be like oh I'm so sorry sensei you know and then you got excited yeah and you know what when you do one or two of these things for instance like all right guys we're gonna circle cut the sleeve and then want to drive them out of bounds or whatever it is there's always after two or three minutes they revert to their usual default and they're

going a little bit too hard or they're entering Osoto and the danger is, you know, someone's running inside trip into somebody and they're on your time and then you see sort of the intensity increasing in the room and you know what? You just got to stop that. You know, you got to call them out. Hey, you're right. We're going to bring it back. We're going to drill again. increasing in the room and you know what? You just gotta stop that. You gotta call them out, hey, all right, we're gonna bring it back, we're gonna drill again. The goal is not to throw someone here.

The goal is developing a certain skill set, I'm teaching you these drills, you know? And then I tell the instructor, these are the drills that you can do. You could fill a class, that's an hour like this and it's a constant, low steady state cardio exercise. It's kind of like jiu-jitsu. We want to make jiu-jitsu more like BJJ where the risk is much more reduced. The intensity is reduced and the pain is reduced. therefore it'll grow.

And then Jiu Jitsu guys are there just to kind of highlight real their classmates. You mean at the seminar? At the seminar. A quarter of these people who come to these things, maybe even a third, are Jiu Jitsu practitioners. And so what do you mean they're there to highlight realtor buddies? Are they the ones? We just want to stand out in the room.

I mean, they're good at jujitsu a lot of the time, but now they want to delve into the world of slamming people. Oh, you mean highlight their friends back at the jujitsu club. I get it. Yes, highlight real ones. Oh yeah, 100%. Or at IBJJF. Yeah.

Yeah. You too. You took a lesson. yeah, yeah you too you took a lesson. Yeah Took a few I think you're good. Yeah the guy with someone again Yeah, it's still one of the other have that way. Yeah, you did to career. Yeah, that was great I mean if you sent me a video of you passes someone's guard I'm like, okay, you know, yeah But you launch launching that guy, universally anybody in the world could look at that and be like, wow. Right? I was pretty happy. So now when we talk about the North and South Dakota,

were these big boys? You have a lot of big boys coming in. They're bigger. They're bigger. Yeah, they're much bigger. The last time I went out to Fargo, there was a guy, Mitch, he might have been like 6'4". He was like a linebacker, played D1 football. And I worked out with everybody at these seminars. I would do the gauntlet. But this time I was like, my knee's on the men's. So I'm like, you know, I kind of avoid that. Yeah, God. Cause I would imagine being out in the Midwest, there would be some big boys out there. You know what I realized?

There's one more thing about Jiu-Jitsu that makes it so special. Oh yeah, what's that? It's Judo? No one. No, you said I didn't say that. I know I can say it cause nobody cares what I say. Do, yeah, yeah. You said, I didn't say that. I know, I can say it, because nobody cares what I say. Do you, have you watched a movie, The Founder?

The McDonald's one? Yeah, yeah. No, I have not watched it. But you know the, you know the story of Ray Clark. Yeah, I know the basic story, yeah. Yeah, right? And there's a scene where the guy's like, well, you don't even know

what makes your company so special, you know? Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen this scene. You don't make, yeah, pennies on the dollar selling a cheeseburger. You make money from the land that the franchise is built on. And then at the very end, they're like, you don't even know what makes your brand so special. It's the name, the thoughts. And I have one of those moments. Of course, there's all the things, logistics, and sourcing, and food, and bread. But I have one of those moments of course there's all the things logistics and you know sourcing and food and bread But I have one of those moments where like this is why jiu-jitsu is more popular than judo

What and what's that? Ready for this one. Yes laid on me Sensei the bird's eye view of BJJ as the sensei makes all the difference in the world So what do you mean by this? What is the birds out of you? Because I'm teaching a seminar in North Dakota. Yeah. And there's 40 people in the room and everyone's really big and tall. When I'm standing on one side of the mat, I can't see what the opposite

side of the mat is doing. They don't see me either. Right. Only can I get a glimpse and me like hey Aaron stop doing that shit you know that's a real guy right but a lot of the times out of sight out of mind yep you can't see through this crowd you're not visible but when you're doing jujitsu in a room and everyone's on the floor and the sensei standing you can see everything you could see everything yeah that guy's a neon belly that guy's going for Nika that guy's El Hiva that guy can't get a spider lasso David Kim stuck on bottom half guard you know you know

me well you bastard right and any time you look up the sensei's there from their standing yeah you could scan the room as you're doing jet look around and you can see the guy that's standing that's teaching or you're just in a really good neon belly on top like JT just looking at people talking to have a you know just living in neon belly but I realized what a big factor that is to the contribution of growth of the sport really simple things interesting just I never thought of that actually. I never thought of it until I just had that moment.

And some guys like, show me Taiyotoshi. And I'm like, hold on one second. I'm thinking about something. I got to hold this in my brain. You know, this is very similar to my story about when I knew my swimming competitive swimming career was over. So I was in the lunch line in high school. And that's the only time you're really right up on people, right next to them, because I'm not a close talker. I don't like close talking. But in lunch line, you don't have a choice.

And I realized I was looking at the sternums of all my buddies, you know, all the people. And I was looking at their, I was looking here at their chest, you know, all the like the people and I was looking at their, I was like looking here at their chest, you know, and I'm like, Oh my God, I'm short. Yeah, that short. Right. How tall are you? Like five, seven, maybe barely.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, but a lot of the guys on the swim team, they're like tall guys, you know, they're like six footers type people. And so I was like, Oh, this is why, you know, I haven't been competing quite as well as I've gotten older Partially, I mean you could overcome it, but you know, you got to be an outlier like that Chinese sprinter who's 5'8". Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, high frequency. I didn't want to become a distance swimmer. So I'm like, yeah

But that's interesting that that's super interesting. It is interesting, yeah great people out there really. I want to see a lot of these gyms succeed and you know one part of the country to another, the dojo is very similar. I'll tell you what man, Sensei Brad from Dakota Budokan, he was like I want to be Uke. He's smart guy he wants to feel it. But I'm very I'm very sparing with my Uke throwing when I go to these things because majority of the time I'll do maybe one or two throws at best right. And then so he was my Uke and every reaction that I would you know because when you're teaching something as Tori you're kind of prepping your uke as well.

Like I'm gonna go for that sleeve and the person's gonna pull that arm back to expose the lapel. Right. Right? But he was so tuned in. And when I'm going for that sleeve, the reaction's perfect, so I go for this thing. And then as he's returning back to my sleeve, and he'll do it exactly the way a good practitioner would. And I love that. And you know, I told him know I told him I was like this you have amazing reactions You actually have an amazing judo

I mean like actually had because I didn't expect them to yeah, but you know you go into the middle of nowhere, South Dakota. Yeah Right where there's no current judo champions, so you wonder what the level is out there But the instructor was very very skilled and I thought that was Tremendous because that's not a common thing right, you know And now with YouTube the guys who are gonna and you know, the local dojo is not very big to support Yeah, the economics of me going a lot of the times, right? So they market to the other gyms in the area, and all these different gyms come. We had guys coming from Minnesota.

Minnesota guys come to North Dakota. We had Minnesota guys flying down to South Dakota. Guys travel six, seven hours just to come see me, and it's because of the YouTube. And because they're watching me on YouTube, and they're coming just to see me because of the YouTube, they've watched a lot of my instructional So they know sort of what?

Yes, philosophy is on certain techniques. So what I have a 40 person room in the middle of nowhere Sorry guys, it's the middle of nowhere. I Was good But they're used to my jargon they're used to my language and we're speaking the same sort of high-level judo speak Even the jujitsu guys. Yeah, right So right first right faint pole guard attack coach you cut the hand game position here, right? You're dominant position and you're creating an angle by throwing these things They're like they get it and they can immediately do it which blows my mind really

Yeah, I wish I could do that. No, that would be really you can do that You can you whatever I just said you could do a hundred I've seen you do it which blows my mind really. Yeah I wish I could do that. That would be really nice. You can do that. Whatever I just said you could do 100% I've seen you do it. Yeah. Yeah. You're too hard. Well that is the... but I will say that's the big difference right because you know just personally when you do grip up with you know people who don't have that experience it's's very clear. It becomes more clear to you. Like before, you thought you were doing the right things, and then you find out, oh no, these were all wrong. This was all wrong. So it goes a long way. Okay, cool. Well, I'm glad you had a great time out there.

And you too can host me for a seminar at your gym Yeah exciting times, you know, so do all those things patreon reach out, you know talk to David to David's awesome That's right. I am awesome. Thank you Chintaro and I mean you've been to a lot of seminars, too You are Embarrassingly soon. Yes, I have been to quite a few seminars. Yeah. No, and there's always something to learn from all of them. I think they're just, I think you just have to be super disciplined though, to really like retain it and put it into your game because you can go to a lot. It's good to broaden your understanding of what's possible.

Right. I think. And then there'll always be those bits that you're like, oh, I need to hold onto this because this will fit right into what I'm doing. How many seminars do you think you've been to? Oh, I don't know. More than a dozen. Oh, definitely more than a dozen. There's no-

Do you have any that you were like, that was one of the best ones? Oh man, they've I mean to be honest with you they've all been pretty good. There's probably only a few where I was just like I could have you know stayed home maybe not that not the guy was bad, but it was just sort of like... And some of it depends on who's in the room. Like if you're in a room full of brand new people, you're not gonna teach them the same things that you would with a more mixed group of people.

And so, Harder Gracie was great, because I just feel like he, it's just easy to understand, like his game, it's easy to understand, but he shows you some of the different details and just like the little things that make the positions work for him. John Thomas, who's another, like he's on YouTube. He was at Total Form recently form recently oh was he really

i didn't know that you know he's got a good jujitsu mind and um you know has put out a lot of content as well um but there's been a lot there's been just been a ton of people that i can't even remember now there's been so many i clearly haven't made the best use of of that time that i spent in these seminars but there's always i think. I think you go to these things, you get exposure to these guys, you ask questions, and then you take one or two each from... Even Travis Stevens did a seminar once and then he was showing me this thing about the sleeve and then I was like, oh, and I still remember to this day when he showed that. you know? And I remember these bits and pieces that Marty Malloy was like,

this is how I do my Sode to the Koji and this and that. And then I'm like, okay, you know, great, great, great. And then one or two little things, minor things that she said that she does that was, I've never heard. And I'm like, whoa, you know, it's like watching these YouTube videos, you know, you're looking up an iPad to buy,

everyone's saying the same nonsense over and over and over. But every two or three videos, they say something completely esoteric or something that you kind of like, yeah. And you didn't know it. Some other guy might be like, yeah, of course, that's how I learned it the first time. You're like, you just didn't know it. And also, I think it depends on where you are too. Sometimes you learn something, but for whatever reason, you're not ready to take that information or it just, it doesn't fit in your brain at that moment. But then a year or two later, you're like, Oh, I'm doing, uh, I'm doing that stuff now. And it makes a lot more sense to me because of maybe you are missing this other supplementary or

complimentary technique or something else, some mindset. You know, but there's nothing worse than paying money and going to a bad seminar and feeling like you wasted your time. Yeah. I could have stayed home and done anything else but this. Yeah. Yeah, that is that is hard. But but, you know, there's always something you can always pull something out of. You know, some people, I think some people use it as a bad justification

because sometimes, like, if I just pull one thing out of you know some people I think some people use it as a bad justification because sometimes like if I just pull one thing out of this seminar yeah you know it's worth it and I'm like maybe maybe not I don't know but it'll be fun you'll see your buddies you'll learn some stuff and you know it's it's just fun I guess I think that's what a lot of hobbies forget you have the luxury of not being efficient because you're you know, it's a hobby Yeah, and it's supposed to be fun. That's right Yeah, well, there's some funny guys who do seminars on the top jokes and you're like, oh man It's got so funny guys should be a stand-up comedian, you know, yeah or even worse

They think they're being funny and it's just not. Get back to the techniques. Yeah, that's right. I hear you. Well, thank you everybody. Yep. Thank you very much for listening and thank you David for being here and leave it in the comments.

You know, what do you guys think? Yeah, what's your best seminar been? Yes, that's a good one. Take it easy.