The Shintaro Higashi Show - Explosiveness in Judo and Other Grappling Arts

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Explosiveness is a key athletic ability in a lot of sports, and Judo is no exception. How important is explosiveness in Judo exactly? Is there a way to train for it? Is there a way to excel at Judo without being explosive? How about other grappling arts? In this episode, Shintaro and Peter go in depth about explosiveness in Judo and other grappling arts. Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shinto Higashi Show with Peter Yu. Today we're going to talk a little bit about explosivity in Judo, one of the questions we got from our patrons. Yeah. It's going to be a good episode. But before we get started, if you want to sponsor one of our episodes, you could definitely do that. It's $3,000 for a mid-roll out of 10 seconds.

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So and like Shintaro said, this was a request from one of our patrons. So Roger said this. I think I remember Jimmy Pedro saying he was more of a grinder and travis saying he was more explosive maybe a podcast about explosiveness in judo and style differences and sam said how to best use or impose different levels of explosiveness in randoi so we'll just generally talk about the differences in explosiveness in different arts and how to best use it, I guess. So if you look at a difference between like, let's just start with Judo and Jiu Jitsu, it's very intuitive to understand. And Tachi Waza and Newaza.

When you're doing Newaza, when you improve position and stuff, it's a little bit more methodical. And then once you get that position, it's a lot of isometric strength right so if you take someone's back you put the hooks in you put seat belt then you want to keep them by locking it up okay it's like doing a pull-up and staying up there as opposed to an explosive movement like a power clean or a sprint or something like that it's fast it's dynamic it's quick right yeah so based on the different things that you do some techniques require more explosivity some require less okay and then you're born naturally with a certain number i don't want to say number or anything actually i don't want to say this but like people have genetic predisposition to fast twitch muscle fibers and slow twitch muscle fibers yeah some people are

designed to be an explosive athlete as i am i know you're no but it's true yeah well so like you take a genetic test 23andme or something like that they tell you the different types of genetic dispositions you're likely to be sensitive to caffeine whatever it is and then one of the things you always look for there is a genetic thing yeah oh no i mean i didn't know that 23 and me told you that kind of details too yeah oh i think the the thing like in terms of health trait and the physical portion was like likely to be an explosive powerful athlete or something like that i swear to god you're not making it up i'm not making it up it's a real thing no right and then that's why you get

olympic sprinters who have that kind of a genetic predisposition, having kids who tend to be sprinters. Yeah. I'm more on that side. I could never really run a good mile. I could never get a good mile time. But I was a sprinter on the track team. Yeah. So you're an explosive guy too.

But this is the thing. There's gene expression, right? Certain genes that can be turned on and off based on whatever it is you know like if you have predisposition to lung cancer but you never smoke and you eat perfect the likelihood you get it is a lot less than if you were doing all those things and predisposed to it yeah so same idea here it doesn't mean that you can't train to be most people are in the middle you know and you hear this kind of limiting thing that all people do is like oh i'm not an not an explosive athlete, therefore I can't do it. Oh,

I can't run a half marathon because, you know, I'm just not an endurance athlete. I ran a half marathon. I'm not designed for that. You train for it. You know what I mean? It's a humble,

subtle brag right there. That's right. Yeah. So most people are in the middle. Yeah. Right? Everybody. You know,

they have a balance between slow and fast-twitch muscle fibers because if you have no slow-twitch fibers, you know, like that's going to cause issues too right yeah i think that's uh i i touched on this a little bit in my last solo episode uh just like uh i was talking about the difference in pace in judo and bjj and how i judo is a lot faster more explosive and because of that I get more tired doing judo then because I can I think I could do a longer Nehwaza

round or BJJ ground round then stand up judo Tachiwaza round because it's just I think the explosiveness tires a lot faster because i guess you're using more anaerobic muscles or something yeah whatever i mean potentially you're doing high intensity interval training yeah so if you look at like you know obviously it's different from everyone if you're doing nirwaza jiu-jitsu with somebody that's very very good and they're constantly putting pressure and they're beating you and on top of you everyone. If you're doing Nwazo Jiu-Jitsu with somebody that's very, very good and they're constantly putting pressure and they're beating you and on top of you the whole time, you're going to get tired really fast too. Right.

So it depends. But if you're a top game guy, which you are, and you're the person putting weight on them, they're getting tired and they're trying to rest and you're kind of moving around them and putting pressure, your exertion is a lot less. Right. You know what I mean?

So it really depends on match to match and things like that. That makes sense. You're also coming into judo and you're not used to that kind of uh metabolic system of just on off on off sprinting guy coming after you guy coming after you there's no rest you know so i think in judo it's a lot easier to redline even in jiu-jitsu what do you mean by redline redline like you push yourself too far okay like a engine uh i see because you could get tired and then you can kind of rest and then recover get tired rest and recover it's like when you play soccer right yeah if you sprint the whole time too many times in a row you're redlining and now you're like wheezing yeah so you kind of have to like slow it down right you have to like manage

your gas tank if you're doing jujitsu you're with somebody that's heavier or stronger whatever it is better than you you're on bottom you could get past and you could sort of frame and rest and breathe and relax right yeah do this but in judo you're doing judo and then you get outgripped and the guy's snapping your head down going for a soda and you have to physically resist there is no rest so it's a lot easier to redline i think in judo you know you read factors you redlined me the uh last week yeah yeah you would have yeah he's uh you you would have let me grip get a grip on you yeah and then i was doing my weight around i'm doing judo with you i was like man thank god i i weighed peter by 40 pounds he meant business that day i talked about that right yeah of course i talked about that in the solo episode yeah yeah

great seeing you but um yeah so then would you say in like your auxiliary training methods have to adapt to that like so in for judo i guess you should do more uh power cleans and you know more explosive training methods and we're talking about outside of judo like your supplementary training for bjj you should do more isometric ones like slower move i don't even know how to train you train kind of right and that's a great theory like to have right because all judo is more explosive i should train power cleans but here's the flaw in that power cleans require a lot of skill right technique mobility if you don't have the lat flexibility which i don't right it's very difficult to get in rack position properly to do a good power clean

right and then the risk reward is not there because the risk of me getting injured a lot higher than the rewards i may benefit and reap right also now you could argue that if you're a jiu-jitsu guy and isomestric strength is more important or whatever it is and you're that kind of heavier grinding type of a player yeah right but maybe you could supplement by being a little bit faster on the double leg or something like that maybe it'll benefit you to train what you're not already good at yeah right it's a more complicated uh question it's more complicated yeah so the idea is you know you want to train all of it right you want to have a cardio day you want to have an explosive day you want to train upper body lower body right and you want to train the muscles that show when you're doing judo in a

gi like your chest your inner chest muscle where the gi opens up yeah that's the most important muscle in judo right you have to after you win You know when you win IJF, whatever it is, and they're hands up, like, ah, the gi's open? If you can't see a nice chest and stomach, abs, people are like, bah. All the champions have the iconic pictures, right? That's the moneymaker right there. You look at Iliadis. You see Iliadis pointing, and he's jacked, right? It's not his arms. You can't see his arms. You're in a gi. You can't see his delts. You see Iliadis like pointing. He's jacked, right? It's not his arms.

You can't see his arms. They're in a gi. You can't see his delts. They're in a gi. Even though he has nice delts and nice arms, right? You can see his chest and abs. He's a unit. He's an absolute unit, that guy.

So going back to Roger's question, so you both, you trained and were coached by Jimmy Pedro, and you also trained with Travis Stevens. You know them well, their judo styles. So was there a difference like that? Do you think really Jimmy was like a grinder and Travis was more of an explosive player? I think so. So there was a guy, Paul, that did all the strength and conditioning training there.

It was very much so endurance-based, and he was Jimmy, that did all the strength and conditioning training there. And it was very much so endurance-based. And he was a Jimmy's coach as well, strength and conditioning as well. I see. So naturally, we would all go from morning practice, morning run, lunch. And then we would do the lifting training sessions from 1 to 3. And we would go. And it would always be some kind of circuit training. It would be like sprint on the treadmill for 30 seconds, run over there and do push-ups, get on the rope and climb up, come down, deadlift 135 for this, go to this thing and do this kind of pushing motion.

That's explosiveness, right? Explosive circuit. But it was more so geared towards the endurance type training. I see. Right. And Travis didn't take part in that when I was there in 2011, 2012. He had his own strength and conditioning, which focused on explosive heavy lifting, right?

Oh, I see, I see. Yeah, and I was told to go there because endurance was always sort of a thing. My gas tank wasn't so good, right? So Jimmy was like, you probably need it. You probably need to climb. You're already pretty explosive, right? I i mean he would never say that to me but it's like you should go you're endurance socks go see paul yeah i had to do those workouts with him uh right so you know that was a thing that we did you know what i mean and now we know that it was atrial fibrillation that was cause of mine. I know.

That's burning my heart. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the idea, right? But this is the thing too. I made the argument when I was going to pole all the time, right? That if I'm doing hard endurance training between judo in the morning, judo at night, I'm already training that energy system, right?

And I'm also doing sprints, being in the weight room and doing that exact same training it trains that same system is probably not the best thing for me in terms of you know right i kind of made that argument more uh well-rounded training yeah so that's why i was a little bit more like you know what i'm gonna go and lift over here uh you know and i joined the gym nearby and i would not go to his thing i'll go to his thing once a week or something like this and then on the other days i would go and lift on my own yeah more sort of the bodybuilding ish thing that was more so for mentally for me because i enjoy it right i see but i was trying to diet down to a certain weight class too. So it was integral in me keeping the muscle. Right.

Because I could strip all my muscle. So that's why I adopted that. So there's a lot more factors determining this kind of thing. Where you are in the cycle. What your weaknesses are. You know what I mean? Yeah. But doing sprints once a week.

If you're like a judo athlete i mean they can't japanese person does it yeah the road where if you look at their road work and then training regimen if you look at any japanese university team they climb the stairs right yeah they do long yes yeah yeah they do long runs to keep their weight down they do explosive stairs up running up the stairs and they do explosive sprints yeah and they kind of do those two or three times a week no matter what and it's all bundled in like a morning workout it's usually like 6 a.m so right monday wednesdays and fridays or something you start with like a three or four mile run you sprint up the hill and then everyone get on the line and

they i love this one they break it up into weight classes. Yeah. 60 kilos on the thing. Go. 60 kilos. Go. 66, 73. You did that in Kokushikan?

I did that. I'm very fast. Yeah. For a guy my weight and height, I'm very, very fast sprinter. Not like an Olympic sprinter. I'm not comparing myself to sprinters, butinters but like average person yeah what very fast right what what's your 100 meter time i don't even know but it's not that good if you put it in that kind of perspective right it's like 100 kilos out and i ran the sprint at kakushikan university and i was in the bottom half i gotta tell you there's some good athletes there out there can really run to tell you. Nice. There are some good athletes there that can really run.

I can tell you. They have endurance and stamina and explosive. They're just amazing. That's cool. You can train all this stuff. You can 100% train it. My advice to you if you're listening to this is don't do it right off the bat. Go hard.

You got to ease into this kind of stuff week after week, little by little. You got to titrate upwards because you could really hurt yourself. You know, if you look at every sprinter ever, most of them have hamstring injuries. Yeah. If you have tight hamstrings and you blow your hamstring out, there is no judo. There is no getting better. You're hurt. You're injured, right?

And that takes a long time to recover hamstring injuries. Yeah. Yeah. And then running is tough on a heavier guy because of the impact on the knees. Yeah. There's just so many factors you have to consider when you're training. It's not as simple as like, oh, you're a judo guy, you're athletic, and you're explosive. You need to do cleans.

No. Right. It's just too much, right? But you could always spend time in the gym. Spend time running. Ease into it. You just got to be consistent. And then little by little

your body learns and adapts right the more you learn the more you adapt more you know what's the best for yourself consistency is key we talked about this and uh yeah so then uh now going from the training methods into more like stylistic differences i guess guess. So let's go back to Jimmy and Travis. So Jimmy is a grinder. What does that mean? Like, it's not like he doesn't use any explosive moves. No, he's explosive. You got to look at some of the tiles that he do, man.

He's bang, sharp. Right. Right. But compared to like probably some of the best judo athletes in the world at the time that he's competing against, you know, he's he'll grind you down so it's like what does that mean yeah all right so let's look at like a Japanese explosive really super athlete you know I'll be Japanese right because Japanese historically if you look at the athleticism they're not the most exclusive athletes in the world yeah

it's a controversial topic you know you know mean? The fast twitch muscles and all that. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. We all know there's certain types of people that have more fast twitch muscles. Yeah. And they're more explosive. Yeah.

Right, Peter? Yeah. What ethnicity do you think that is, Peter? I know a lot of African-Americans said more, right? You said that. What? I don't think that's controversial. No, that's not controversial.

Yeah. But this is the thing. It appears so that the Japanese judokas are superior in that kind of explosive thing. Yeah. But you can compensate for it. Like you say, you can train it, right? But it's the one specific movement from one specific position, right? So there's a psychological

aspect of when you're implementing this in sport uh right when you're trying to be explosive but you hesitate oh i don't know yeah give it a clean think of any like explosive movement that you do right the moment you hesitate it's gone right moment there's resistance where you can't freely move into that motion it's gone right so there's a lot of technical skill involved there you know what i mean so if you look at a japanese guy who is greatly athletic and explosive not the most athletic most explosive guy in the world although it seems like it yeah there you could say they have explosive judo because they're fighting for position fighting for position doing the misdirection and you don't know it's coming they're fainting fainting and then boom okay

all the criterias are met and they explode fast they move it looks effortless that's like you know yeah explosive judo yeah that's explosive as opposed to like a grinding style they may not have that right but they're taking the hand off coming here adjusting pulling the head down tying them out go for tayo it's not as explosive they put them to the ground put pressure on the ground they waza guys getting tired pressure pressure pressure that's like a grinding style judo where it's just like you're just kind of They put him to the ground, put pressure on the ground. They waza. Guy's getting tired. Pressure, pressure, pressure. That's like a grinding style judo where it's just like you're just kind of wearing the guy down constantly. That just requires great gas tank, right? Being strong, great gas tank.

And that's what Jimmy does. I've done judo with Jimmy. And I outweighed a guy by 50 pounds, right? Because I was 220. And this was like 10 years ago. And he's constantly gripping, stri hands coming and attacking and grinding before you know it man you're huffing and puffing right now and it's not like heavyweight taxing the guy where they're leading on the guy but he's constantly moving stripping it moving it to new york as soon as you hit the ground he's already trying to

strangle you and arm bar you so you're like oh shit and then you turn and rest but you can't rest his pace is so high you know so that's the grinding style versus the explosive style so Travis was more like he didn't I thought but

in my from my point of view Travis also has that kind of style too Travis is a little bit of both I don't think he's just purely explosive

he is very explosive he'll take the hand off pulse that hand grind his head in and then boom big koshiguruma big ipon senagi

big arm over the top sumigayashi right yeah but he's also a grinder he has great stamina and then he'll bring you down to the ground and force you there

and then he'll just be gritty and be in there in your face in your face so he's a little bit of both he shouldn't just say like I'm A explosive that's it right he face. So he's a little bit of both. He shouldn't just say, like, I'm A, explosive, that's it. Right.

He's explosive, but he's also, like, a grinding style. He is kind of both, you know? And you got to shift back and forth depending on who you're going with. That's why the Japanese always had a really hard time with Travis. Right, right. He beat a lot of Japanese guys who were super explosive because he would be so diligent about taking their hands off, grinding them down forcing

their waza you know what i mean right people didn't want to do drop sanai because anything you know force himself onto you on the ground right you know what i mean so yeah that's why japanese are a hard time so he would shift between that and then when he would go against like a guy who wasn't that good, he could just force the position, force the position, and boom, play that explosive style. Which is kind of amazing if you think of it that way, you know? He did talk about that a little bit, like adjusting his style when he sat down with Alex Friedman. Yeah, Alex Friedman.

It's a good podcast. I liked it. Yeah, he has a lot more listeners than we do. Yeah, he does. So then, another grinder I know, he's a contemporary of Travis's, Kim Jae-beom from Korea.

So he's unique because a lot of Korean players are also close to how Japanese people, players do judo. It's more about explosiveness, like a lot of dropshipping, explosive. But Kim Jae-beom was a grinder. He would never get tired. That was the thing. And then he wouldn't go for big throws. He was actually just a little inside trip you know what you got is and

yeah that's the thing right you we're talking about grinder versus explosivity like they're on the same spectrum but a lot of times it's not you know we're thinking about different things you could be very very explosive and be sort of a grinder type right you know what i mean i see uh yeah you could so it's a little bit misleading when you say oh is he grinder or is he explosive it could be both they operate in different ways at that level especially you gotta be good at both i guess yeah i'll tell you this man there was a guy who used to compete against mark fletcher he was the most explosive athlete i've ever met dude uh yeah right and then if he grabbed you in the first minute or two he

could throw anybody in the first minute too he was so freaking explosive uh and the number one rule when i would go against him was make it past the first two minutes uh nice so he gets tired and he does he he gets less and less explosive right so but it wasn't like a gradual, he kind of falls off a cliff almost. I shouldn't say that about him, right? But he's phenomenal athlete, great athletics, great person, great all this stuff. I love him to death. We competed against each other many times. Right.

He's explosive. Boom. Right. And if you look at the explosive spectrum, there's explosive and not so explosive. He's at the top of that list. And then then there's endurance does he have a lot of endurance no it doesn't have a lot of endurance right yeah i'm not gonna comment on that on that right then people associate this grinder thing is he a grinder is he not a grinder all the stuff and usually that's kind of more associated with endurance side of things yeah you know that

persistence all this stuff you? So they don't operate sort of on the same spectrum. It's not like a, are you explosive or are you a grinder? That kind of a thing, you know? It's like orthogonal to each other almost.

Like a different thing. What's the word? Orthogonal? Damn, that's a good word. It just means they're, they're not really related. It's like different cat criteria of or involving right angles yeah because if you I think it comes from the fact

that in linear algebra if you have two vectors orthogonal sectors they don't they don't over they don't influence each other they basically cancel out in a way not cancel out oh I thought sorry I thought it was like a common thing to say no maybe it's a it's my it's my industry it's pretty common in tech I think yeah yeah anyway so yeah that it's a good segue to um the how to use this different level these different levels of explosiveness so let's talk about your style you say you're explosive and yeah so how did you how do you go about imposing that well you know so there's a difference between when i was a competitor and then what i how i do it now and if i could go back i would probably teach myself but obviously it's not possible what i preach now is a little bit different from what i used to do

i used to just put my hands on and go it was like explosively go in one thing to another and it was like shotgun method almost so just like one of those things will stick is kind of the method that i operated on forever because that's what I thought was the way. And that's where I just kind of, you know, that's how I was kind of taught. And then my gas tank wasn't very good because, you know, I kind of have a heart condition.

So I would die. So at like three, four minutes in, I'd be gassed. So it wasn't like the very best style now What I would sort of preach now and the way is obviously fight for position because the more the better you are in position the more Unencumbered you are when you're attacking something right you develop this motion with it whether it's a fast tire or say Nagi Uchimata you used to go in and out of these movements through Uchikomi, three-person Uchikomi, and Nagakomi. So you develop this movement over and over and over, but you have to be able to find the right time to do it.

And most of the time, that time is unencumbered, no resistance, because you have the thing, you have the good position, and they don't see it coming. That's the idea. No matter how explosive you are, if you're resistant, you're not going to be able to get it. Think of it this way. For an Olympic lifter, snatch, clean, press, whatever it is, you attach a string to the end of that weight, 500 pounds, whatever it is. And then as they're lifting it, you pull it really hard.

They're not going to be able to clean it over their head. Right, right. And it's just a very small thing yeah resistance yeah you know what i mean it's same kind of idea with judo it has to follow a certain trajectory you have to hide the attacks right and if there's a psychological component too of like oh this is it this is the moment triggers bang yeah right here it is moment and then are you able to execute that mentally that comes with training it comes with training yeah so finding those moments recognizing those moments and you have to really be in tune with what your opponent is doing too a lot of the times people are always

focused on what my body's what am i doing wrong what am i doing wrong that's not what you're doing wrong the guy is grabbing your gi and pulling your head down you're not going to do any of this stuff right and then being in tune because it's not visual you're face to face with the guy you're not looking and seeing visual cues like oh his toes on the ground a lot of it is nuanced feel yeah so it's like reading your opponent hands in good position this is my moment i have to go now it feels right because he's leaning into me or whatever the hell it is and then you go pull the trigger drop the hammer right right and this requires a lot of training it requires a lot of sensitivity it's frustrating you lose your balance you're gone right because if you lose your balance right you have to keep your

balance if you look at any like jumping motion when they're trying to measure yeah explosivity right you have to have even footing you have to have good solid ground think about trying to do an explosive vertical jump you know in the sand right can't do it right yeah or like when the wind's blowing really hard yeah can't do it yeah so similarly in judo you lose your balance balance is an integral part of this. You can't be explosive then. Yeah, you got to train good balance. You know, all this stuff. There's a lot of factors. And a lot of it just comes from training and sort of believing in the path

and then kind of staying on that path. Right. If you're very, very explosive and you're amazing at, you know, each independent throw, but you never train out a grip fight or being in a good position, you're going to have some issues. You're going to get hurt. You're 100% going to get injured. You know, I'm an explosive athlete.

You force an Osoto explosively every time, someone's knee's going to go. Yeah. Yours or your partner's. We don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. Your partner's,

if you're doing explosive Osoto, really. Yeah. Not that much risk on, but explosive Uchimata yeah on a good person you could hurt yourself yeah head goes down get stuffed and yeah because you're on your your yeah one foot trying to turn away from the person yeah so let's now kind of move on to other grappling arts i mean mean, as you guys probably know, Shin-chan was a very accomplished wrestler.

And he was also Dan and her purple belt. Brahma. Not purple belt. Dan and her purple belt. Yeah, but he's a Brahma. So how does it manifest? You talked about how to impose explosiveness by grip fighting and positional games and

all that. How does that manifest in wrestling and BJJ for you? I think wrestling is a little bit more. Because like I talked about... More in what sense? I think wrestling is a little bit more explosive because judo, you get... The gi. Yeah.

Right. You get gripped and now you're not going anywhere you're locked in right right wrestling it's a different range and even with your within touching range nothing that you can't grab them right right if your arm's length away there's nothing really holding them there so you could move this way move that way and it's a lot faster in terms of like, Hey, you know what I mean? Of course it's different when you get in on the leg. Right. So the range is different.

Training is a little bit different, you know, but if you're looking at Gi, it definitely slows the game down in terms of positional stuff. Right. When you're locked in and you go for a big turn throw, you know, that's very explosive.

Right. So different parts of the game have different levels of explosivity involved right right you know what i mean yeah this is much more different yeah because it's on the ground people who are lying on the ground they just can't be as explosive you have two people facing each other the level of explosivity of like shooting in person sprawling shoot it in sprawling because they're both on their feet they're both great athletes if one person's lying down of course the speed of the match and the dynamicness of the match gonna be a lot less yeah you know what I mean right yeah so did you do you how do you play your BJJ your Nevaza like

what's your style then if I want to rely on just being fast and explosive yeah right this is the thing. My back kind of hurts, right? So for me, being on top and being bent over by the waist and then trying to be explosive, it's a little bit tougher for me. Oh, okay. Not that bad, but it's different from me being on my feet facing in an athletic position. I always talk about universally athletic stance, right?

Yeah. Like facing, chest up, knee bent. If you look at shortstop, basketball, fencing, judo, boxing, everyone's in athletic stance. You're facing, chest up, knee bent. If you look at shortstop, basketball, fencing, judo, boxing, everyone's in the stance. If you bend forward with your hips hinged, not as athletic. So I don't love playing that game. I do, but I like relying on my weight also.

But you gain position in quick X-pass or quick bullfighter pass, the other direction, make it look like you're going one way. But it's also dependent on hand position as well because you get quick X-pass if you don't have the proper hand position. You just freaking can't do it, right? Yeah. So I like playing a little bit of both of those styles. And I kind of like this flow rolling mentality as well

because it's so easy on the body you know right i like i train like that with glick yeah right i i don't try not to rely on this like explosive thing where it's like i'm diving for stuff going for you know quick directional changes and whatnot because that really isn't at the core of jujitsu yeah i've seen i'm not saying you know roll like that yeah and i'm not saying there isn't an explosive dynamic jujitsu yeah i've seen i'm not saying you know roll like that yeah and i'm not saying there isn't an explosive dynamic jujitsu athletes or jujitsu style i'm not saying that you know people right i'm talking about the average average guy joins a jujitsu gym for them to do an arm bar you go like this you go like this you go like that you go like that

yeah a little different way like seoi nage yeah how about this here's a double leg takedown in wrestling you have to change levels go underneath their arms and their head and you have to explode really fast onto their legs before they sprawl down right and then you have to lift and run them in an angle 45 degrees how explosive do you have to be to do that if they know it's coming yeah okay how do you make them you know not see it coming how do you set that up snap the head down snap the head down snap the head down you can't really snap their head down slowly yeah right so you're pulling their head down pulling their head down as soon as their head goes up you drop and then shoot it on their leg

that's right very explosive movement as opposed to like a trap triangle. Is it explosive? Yeah, it is. You got to like, you know, trap that arm. Shut up the leg, yeah. But it's different. And once you're in there, it's not as explosive, right? Try to get the arm across, try to pull the head down. Your legs are constantly squeezing.

There's a lot of isometric strength there. And you're maneuvering yourself to one side to create the proper angle. Right. Right. You could do it explosively, yes, but it's not the same movement. I always say this, man. It's bodybuilding versus Olympic lifting. Uh-huh.

Right? A lot of these maneuvers are the same. There's a lot more crossover. It's not two separate things, right? Yeah. Olympic lifters, deadlift. Olympic lifters, front squat. 100% they do. Of course they do of course they have to

yeah do bodybuilders do cleans yeah i've seen bodybuilders do cleans they do stuff explosively yes right but there's some athletes that kind of just go time under tension and then you know focus on the eccentrics because they think it's better for growth. Right. Some people go high volume. Some people go really heavy. There's all these different methodologies. You know, you have to kind of train all of them together and then find what's right for you. You know? I see.

A lot. There's a lot of stuff. You know, it gets kind of muddled. And I wish I could be a little bit more concise and clear. Hope it's understandable. You know what I'm saying? And please reach out to us and let us know if this makes a lot of sense to you.

Right. Or if I should actually plan episodes. No, I think it was good. It was good. We, you know, not a lot of people actually have gone in depth about this topic in terms of judo and whatnot but it's very fun

very enlightening I think that's about it anything else before we end thank you guys for listening please reach out to us if you want to sponsor our episodes it's $8,000 for a

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Whatever that means. Exponentially, sorry. Exponentially, yeah. You're supposed to correct me, Peter. I didn't even realize that was Actually, except exponentially. Sorry. Excellent. Yeah. Supposed to correct me, Peter. I didn't even realize that was a, actually it works. Orthogonally.

Cause yeah, that's all they go. Right angle. All right. Thanks. Thanks guys. And we'll see you guys in the next episode.