The Shintaro Higashi Show - How to Be a Good Uke
Episode Date: January 15, 2024Uke appreciation episode! Being an Uke is a huge part of Judo, but it's often not the most popular role, and many Judoka never bother to work on their Uke skills. Is it time for us to change that?... In this episode, Shintaro and Peter what we can do to become a good Uke. Join our Discord server and start chatting with us and other grapplers by supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!
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                                         Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show with Peter Yu.
                                         
                                         I'm going to talk about being a good uke today.
                                         
                                         Yeah, you just made an appreciation post, right?
                                         
                                         Yep, being a good uke is everything, man.
                                         
                                         Being a good uke, it's a huge thing.
                                         
                                         And if you guys already know, I'm going to repeat myself,
                                         
                                         there's tori and uke, the person giving and receiving,
                                         
                                         like most things in life.
                                         
    
                                         Are you a tori or uke peter
                                         
                                         i'm always a uke because i i i always uh think about others and on that note we have some ukes
                                         
                                         in our life uh in for our podcast right jason and levon yep thank you and yep always uh you know and
                                         
                                         everyone else who is supporting us one way or the other and the patreon and all thank you and yep always uh you know and everyone else who is supporting us one way or
                                         
                                         the other and the patreon and all thank you very much thanks for being an awesome uke for our uh
                                         
                                         tori that is podcast yeah all right let's go back to the actual judo tori and uke yeah you just
                                         
                                         touched on the definition so tori is the one the definition. So Tori is the one that's throwing
                                         
                                         and Uke is the one that's receiving the throw.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, yes.
                                         
                                         So it's a very cooperative thing.
                                         
                                         And sometimes it's like when you're doing Rondori,
                                         
                                         you can be like, oh, he was the Tori and he was the Uke.
                                         
                                         It's like just a reference,
                                         
                                         like who's the one that's doing the throwing.
                                         
                                         Sometimes it's like a demonstration with Kata.
                                         
                                         Sometimes it's mostly though,
                                         
    
                                         when we talk about Uke in this context,
                                         
                                         it's about people who are being the person receiving the technique when the teacher is showing something in class.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I see.
                                         
                                         That's a very special skill to be able to do.
                                         
                                         So, you have your favorite, I think most senseis have their favorite ukes in their class, right?
                                         
                                         Always.
                                         
                                         Usually somebody much lighter than them yeah
                                         
                                         someone good at break falls and someone cooperative uh but you know yeah when i was there was i a good
                                         
    
                                         okay you were a good okay yes for sure right it's someone you trust you know someone who's attentive
                                         
                                         there's a lot of different reasons to pick some uh someone that's a good uke uh but first we've
                                         
                                         got to talk about the stigma behind being a uke. Some people love it,
                                         
                                         some people don't.
                                         
                                         Some people who get
                                         
                                         to a certain level,
                                         
                                         like, oh,
                                         
                                         I will never take false
                                         
    
                                         for anybody.
                                         
                                         There's guys who are like that.
                                         
                                         Oh, really?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I remember talking
                                         
                                         to a guy who was
                                         
                                         teaching judo
                                         
    
                                         and then some dude
                                         
                                         comes up and says,
                                         
                                         oh, man, sensei,
                                         
                                         can I take a taiyo from you?
                                         
                                         I just want to see
                                         
                                         what it feels like.
                                         
                                         I'm like, okay.
                                         
                                         And then I do it and then the teacher was like why would he ever want to do that you know
                                         
    
                                         i will never let anyone throw me i'm like okay that's that's your opinion that's fine you know
                                         
                                         and then it's such an important skill to receive a throw well yes yes yeah but you know some people
                                         
                                         just don't want to get taken down like that you know i see right and that's one thing and some
                                         
                                         people are injured and there's a lot of reasons behind it you know and some people just don't want to get taken down like that. I see. And that's one thing. And some people are injured.
                                         
                                         And there's a lot of reasons behind it.
                                         
                                         And some people have this like, I am at the top of the chain now.
                                         
                                         I shouldn't have to take any falls for anybody.
                                         
                                         And it's more common than you think, man.
                                         
    
                                         Because I've had situations where it's like, I do seminars, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So guys, reach out to me if you want me to do a seminar at your gym.
                                         
                                         And it's like, if I pick a black belt, sometimes the black belt's like ah you know you can see it in their
                                         
                                         face like oh my god am i gonna get bombed like there's a lot of fear there you know oh right
                                         
                                         and then some people were like oh how dare this guy choose me to fall like you know
                                         
                                         yeah i didn't know that people had that attitude i I actually, I don't think I've ever actually met them.
                                         
                                         Is that, have you seen that in Japan when you're training?
                                         
    
                                         Like sensei wouldn't, I guess you guys,
                                         
                                         you didn't really have this demonstration thing going on
                                         
                                         when you were training in Japan anyway.
                                         
                                         No, but if you're a teacher in Japan,
                                         
                                         like if you're a top dog in Japan in the room,
                                         
                                         you're not taking falls from nobody, dude.
                                         
                                         Okay, so it is, okay.
                                         
                                         And, you know, once you pass the coach level, like there's a coach and then there's a teacher, right?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So, like, if you look at, like, Kokushikan University system, you have the four-year university guys and you have the professional guys who are right out of college who are actually just full-time, you know, doing judo as a professional.
                                         
                                         And they're getting paid a corporate salary yeah
                                         
                                         and there's always you know they're all over the place like they go to this company or that company
                                         
                                         right like par 24 and uh you know yeah horse betting whatever it is so then when they come
                                         
                                         back they're training there's always like 20 30 guys who are pro guys they're training on the mat
                                         
                                         and then the people who are kind of like a little bit above that are coaches you know maybe they
                                         
                                         went four years to the college maybe they have a corporate pro thing they already retired and now
                                         
    
                                         they're coaching the kids like late 20s they can still train with them like beat them up kind of
                                         
                                         thing yes yes and then they want to be like you know head coach assistant coach but there's the
                                         
                                         coaches that work out with the guys yeah yeah that'd be the piss out of the kids you know yeah
                                         
                                         and then uh there's a couple of those guys and then there's like sort of a hierarchy
                                         
                                         right yeah and then you get to the teachers who are like the head coach
                                         
                                         assistant coach that don't work out anymore who were like in their late
                                         
                                         30s 40s like my age and those guys don't fall those guys don't do takedowns they
                                         
                                         don't they don't they don't do andre you know right right right yeah and then but
                                         
    
                                         then you they don't even do demonstrations right because
                                         
                                         they don't no one needs demonstrations no i mean sometimes they do they'll be like hey this is what
                                         
                                         we're gonna do and they'll grab a kid you know a university kid or somebody like uh they'll probably
                                         
                                         they won't pick one of the higher level guys so they're you know japanese culture is very
                                         
                                         hierarchical right as is korea and as a lot of these asian countries and then it's embedded in the culture of like all right this person can
                                         
                                         do this this person can do that and you know and bjj kind of leaked over like if you're a lower
                                         
                                         belt you're not supposed to ask a higher belt for roles have you ever heard this um i've never heard
                                         
                                         of that yeah a lot of gyms are like that you know so if you're a blue belt you can't ask a purple
                                         
    
                                         belt brown belt black belt so you get got blue belts, you can't ask a purple belt, brown belt, black belt to roll. So you've got blue belts just sitting there waiting.
                                         
                                         And then it's good and it's bad, right?
                                         
                                         Because it preserves some of this hierarchical stuff and it protects the higher belts from reckless beginners, essentially, beginner and intermediates.
                                         
                                         But the black belts can easily just sit there and pick their own rounds.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So it kind of lulls them a little bit, you know, as opposed to, like.
                                         
                                         So, you think this, like, people avoiding being uke kind of is a result of this culture bleeding over?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Some people are like, I don't want to be uke, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I see. Why should I be uke?
                                         
                                         Do it to that guy.
                                         
                                         Or some people who want to sit there and watch the lesson, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Because sometimes they believe, like, if they're receiving it, they're not being able being able to watch it right and everyone's a different learner in the room some people are like
                                         
                                         which is true yeah yeah you can't you know if you're okay you might have to ask again like hey
                                         
    
                                         how how did you do this part of that part yeah i guess so some people are visual learners right
                                         
                                         like they want to see the actual move being done like you know from a third person standpoint and
                                         
                                         that's one of the ways they learn and if they're taking the technique they have no clue what's really
                                         
                                         going on not always the case obviously if you're already like a higher belt like you're probably
                                         
                                         gonna get it yeah still right yeah so so then okay so like what's the attitude here that you
                                         
                                         you think all of us in america should have like we always talk about
                                         
                                         we've talked about this a lot right like when people kind of bring aspects of this just regular
                                         
                                         old japanese culture into america and then they kind of distortion maybe a little bit of a too
                                         
    
                                         strong of a word but you know like the hierarchical stuff in japan that's just normal
                                         
                                         that's how like bowing yeah that's just saying hey so you know i think it's you said that it's
                                         
                                         very important for us to kind of see what that is as it is you know the japanese culture and then
                                         
                                         translate that into the more american context right right? Yeah. So how should we translate this being an uke,
                                         
                                         the culture of being an uke,
                                         
                                         into our context?
                                         
                                         Our context, yeah.
                                         
                                         I mean, we didn't really talk about, like,
                                         
    
                                         the pros of being an uke even in Japan, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Some people say it's an honor, it's an honor.
                                         
                                         You know, there's always pros and cons and stuff, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah. I personally think, like, being a coachable person in the room is sort of the
                                         
                                         fastest track to getting better at martial art right you know what i mean right if you're a
                                         
                                         coachable likable kid or even an adult even if you're like 35 years old you're just like a
                                         
                                         likable person and you're coachable and you're humble and people want to teach you stuff like
                                         
    
                                         now all of a sudden your information that's being thrown at you is in a compound right
                                         
                                         because everyone wants to work out with you everyone wants to teach you stuff even if you're
                                         
                                         like a blue belt like the black belt's gonna be like hey come here kid you know like even if you're
                                         
                                         like a 35 year old man like hey let me show you right so i think like it kind of plays into that
                                         
                                         like when you're uke you're visible to the class first and foremost right right you know what i
                                         
                                         mean if the teacher's doing the techniques on you you get to feel it firsthand so when someone else does it to you okay it doesn't feel right and then maybe
                                         
                                         you could make that connection maybe right yeah this elbow is supposed to be tucked under the
                                         
                                         armpit and you felt the person's collar hand like pulling up right around your collarbone and then
                                         
    
                                         when you're going to train the actual technique and the person's kind of like hand is sagging
                                         
                                         it's not very tight you know like down low it like, oh, it doesn't feel like the same thing, you know?
                                         
                                         Right, right.
                                         
                                         So that gives you valuable information.
                                         
                                         Mm.
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         I see.
                                         
                                         Yeah, and then you get to be in tune with your coach a little bit more because sometimes
                                         
    
                                         when you're sitting in the back and then you're kind of like, oh, I feel like I know this
                                         
                                         already, and they're giving this detail, that detail, this detail, that detail.
                                         
                                         You go here, you go there, you put your feet there.
                                         
                                         Sometimes you can miss some of the most important details
                                         
                                         because you could daydream in two seconds, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It takes me, right, like watching class
                                         
                                         and then some guy will be like,
                                         
    
                                         yo, what's up, what are you doing this weekend?
                                         
                                         For me to be completely distracted and like miss everything.
                                         
                                         And I think that's more common than you think, you know,
                                         
                                         because when I teach class, and I teach class all the time,
                                         
                                         I try not to ramble over three minutes
                                         
                                         when I do any instruction and I can always tell you know three minutes in
                                         
                                         I'm like talking about Uchimata and I'm pretty good at this stuff to teach you
                                         
                                         this stuff two or three guys just start wandering off you could just see them
                                         
    
                                         kind of like trailing off into the distance or like looking at the clock
                                         
                                         this yeah some people are yawning you know like people start picking up their
                                         
                                         face it's like I'm losing a couple of guys here.
                                         
                                         You know, and some people have shorter attention span than others.
                                         
                                         You can't keep everyone's attention all the time.
                                         
                                         But for two to three minutes, they keep every single person's attention.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Those people, too, should be uke sometimes, right?
                                         
    
                                         Because then you have to be attentive because if the coach says, hey, when I go for tatoshi, the most common reaction is, right?
                                         
                                         And then, yeah.
                                         
                                         So you have to do the common reaction.
                                         
                                         So if you don't know it, you're going to look like a buffoon.
                                         
                                         And your coach is going to look like a buffoon because you can't do the technique, right?
                                         
                                         So it forces you to be knowledgeable.
                                         
                                         It forces you to be listening for the different reactions that may come, right?
                                         
                                         And then it's really a give and take if the coach is like, hey, the most common reaction when the person goes Ouchi is,
                                         
    
                                         you know, whatever it is and then when i go ouchi if i know you can't do it as uke i'd be
                                         
                                         like the most common reaction is shifting their weight to that far leg and then balancing on one
                                         
                                         leg so now the uke is listening and learning the most common reaction oh that's the most common
                                         
                                         reaction i should be doing that you know i see i see so it's because
                                         
                                         you've become a more you can become more of an active learner yeah you are not yes that's the
                                         
                                         perfect way to word it you're an active learner in front of everyone you're visible to the room
                                         
                                         there's different it's like interpersonal learning right there right you know what i mean and then
                                         
                                         the coachability kind of goes hand in hand like you said the teacher will pick usually if you like if you
                                         
    
                                         go to a seminar right and then and the uke that gets picked from the dojo is usually like
                                         
                                         the one of the younger kids that's like most promising i feel like you know that's usually
                                         
                                         the case right yeah sometimes yeah I think so cause and
                                         
                                         I mean there's a reason
                                         
                                         for that I guess
                                         
                                         cause they're like
                                         
                                         knowledgeable enough
                                         
                                         but not big enough
                                         
    
                                         but you know
                                         
                                         I mean there's
                                         
                                         definitely some
                                         
                                         Tory cheats
                                         
                                         like you go to a seminar
                                         
                                         and you ask the coach
                                         
                                         there like the top guy
                                         
                                         like hey man
                                         
    
                                         who's the best uke
                                         
                                         in the room
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         they'll definitely
                                         
                                         point you to the right person
                                         
                                         you know no matter what
                                         
                                         but then
                                         
                                         that usually like uh i think
                                         
    
                                         it's uh it's not because they're best okay i mean i think because the person probably has all these
                                         
                                         other qualities that makes him a big him or her a big uh good okay right like coachability he uh
                                         
                                         the person probably shows up all the time yep the teacher knows a person
                                         
                                         the person the teacher is not going to just select a random you know i mean i did a seminar
                                         
                                         yesterday and i did select a random guy and you know it was a little bit difficult right because
                                         
                                         he's he was a little bit tense so then you know i rotated him out yeah yeah in a nice way and those
                                         
                                         are tori tricks you know what i mean all I mean alright guys looking quick and then I just grab
                                         
                                         the first person here
                                         
    
                                         but I've already
                                         
                                         situated myself
                                         
                                         next to that person
                                         
                                         who is much skinnier
                                         
                                         and lighter
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         I see
                                         
                                         right
                                         
    
                                         or sometimes it's like
                                         
                                         alright now
                                         
                                         we're gonna go against
                                         
                                         someone that's a lot
                                         
                                         bigger than us
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         and in that case
                                         
                                         and I'll grab somebody
                                         
    
                                         so now
                                         
                                         I've already done
                                         
                                         two Uke changes
                                         
                                         like in
                                         
                                         like sort of
                                         
                                         a polite context
                                         
                                         where it's like
                                         
                                         oh he's fired
                                         
    
                                         right
                                         
                                         it's not like that
                                         
                                         so now the guy doesn't feel bad about himself.
                                         
                                         So now the next time, all right, guys, bring it in.
                                         
                                         Can I use your uke?
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         That person, it means nothing.
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
    
                                         It doesn't, there's no meaning behind it as opposed to like, oh, this guy's not a good uke.
                                         
                                         He's fired.
                                         
                                         You know, it's not like that.
                                         
                                         Oh, hopefully this person doesn't listen to this podcast.
                                         
                                         No, he was fine.
                                         
                                         He was great.
                                         
                                         I rotated back to him actually.
                                         
                                         Yeah, okay, good.
                                         
    
                                         So it was awesome.
                                         
                                         And there's some Tori tricks, too,
                                         
                                         outside of that.
                                         
                                         And I'm going to talk about Uke tricks
                                         
                                         in a little bit, too.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         If you're demonstrating a throw
                                         
                                         and then you're going to bomb them, right?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Sometimes they know when you're going to throw.
                                         
                                         So that's when they get tense.
                                         
                                         Right, right, right.
                                         
                                         So the first two or three times
                                         
                                         you're teaching something,
                                         
                                         you don't throw them at all.
                                         
                                         You're just like, oh, here you go, here go here you go right and you lull them oh and then it's like
                                         
    
                                         yeah yeah so when you enter tai toshi you go here and you go there and the hand goes like that look
                                         
                                         this is what it looks like okay all right so you go like this you go like that and then you just
                                         
                                         rip it once so they don't see it coming but that's that's like a high level move right you have to be
                                         
                                         very very very good at doing the throw, right?
                                         
                                         Because the guy doesn't see it coming.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         So you have to kind of trust.
                                         
                                         You have to be very controlled.
                                         
    
                                         You have to be very controlled.
                                         
                                         And if you suck at throwing, and if you do an Osoto-Gari,
                                         
                                         and you let go of the collar, and he doesn't see it coming,
                                         
                                         he's going to have a concussion.
                                         
                                         You're going to have big issues, right?
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         But if you're going to do Osoto,
                                         
                                         no one wants to take an Osoto breakfall, ever, right?
                                         
    
                                         No one wants to take a shit.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And we're doing Osotooto like i don't throw i
                                         
                                         don't throw i don't throw and when i do throw i'll throw real fast right and i don't enter really
                                         
                                         fast because that'll give him like a uh tension thing yeah enter kind of slow and it's like i'm
                                         
                                         chit-chatting chit-chatting then i finish very close because there's nowhere for him to go right
                                         
                                         yeah yeah and when i'm throwing i'll definitely decelerate him and then he's like oh that wasn't so bad so the next time he's a lot
                                         
                                         likely to right right be more relaxed right he's like whoa you know people get shocked and that's
                                         
    
                                         a great way to bring back the audience too like hey god you know when guys start chilling off
                                         
                                         and i was talking to reagan about this too and greg was like oh yeah you know when i'm okay
                                         
                                         when i look out into the crowd and i see like two you know when I'm uke when I look out
                                         
                                         into the crowd
                                         
                                         and I see like
                                         
                                         two or three
                                         
                                         like empty faces
                                         
                                         like looking into
                                         
    
                                         the ceiling
                                         
                                         I know you're
                                         
                                         about to slam me
                                         
                                         so I
                                         
                                         get ready for that
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         cause
                                         
                                         yeah it's like
                                         
    
                                         give him the
                                         
                                         razzle dazzle
                                         
                                         to get
                                         
                                         looking back
                                         
                                         so yeah
                                         
                                         that's a good
                                         
                                         segue to
                                         
                                         you know we talked about the mental i guess
                                         
    
                                         like the mental side of being a good okay being coached well not probably yeah what are the actual
                                         
                                         techniques yeah being a good okay so knowing the proper reaction and know to give the right
                                         
                                         reactions right yeah and then the proper amount of reactions that's that's the key you know so i
                                         
                                         was doing uh i had a uke last thursday when i was teaching judo he's one of my judo guys and then i went okay when i go inside
                                         
                                         tayo here and i bumped the leg and then i like touched my thigh to his inner thigh and then he
                                         
                                         freaking almost fell over and i'm like bro there's too much like no one's gonna do it i didn't do it
                                         
                                         hard you know just stand there normally right yeah and sometimes i'll be like all right you know
                                         
                                         i will say in the context of it, like,
                                         
    
                                         oh, if you do it really hard, this could potentially happen.
                                         
                                         But let's just say he doesn't react so big or let's say you don't like throw him right
                                         
                                         off the rip, you know?
                                         
                                         And then he knows how to like adjust if he's listening and if he's into it, he can adjust,
                                         
                                         right?
                                         
                                         And sometimes we're like, listen, man, just don't do anything.
                                         
                                         Just stand there.
                                         
                                         Sometimes I'll just say that, right?
                                         
    
                                         I see.
                                         
                                         But yeah, like uke tricks. Is that what we're talking about?
                                         
                                         Yeah, like how to, what are the techniques to uke?
                                         
                                         I mean, you kept mentioning staying relaxed.
                                         
                                         Yeah, being relaxed is important. Not being tense at all, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah, what is that? How do you become like that though?
                                         
                                         Like just getting used to it?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think that's
                                         
    
                                         what happened to me but yeah like when you're first a lot of beginners tend to try to like
                                         
                                         defend it i guess almost instinctively you know what it is man it's the fear of the unknown as
                                         
                                         with most things like yeah if you don't know what throw is coming you're gonna be freaking tense
                                         
                                         right right right you know the time like all right guys i'm gonna go inside tile and then do a double
                                         
                                         tile to the outside you know shin and that's what we're showing today the my guy goes for an inside
                                         
                                         tile and he steps out and then i already know azuki like he's gonna go for the second tile
                                         
                                         right yeah yeah i'm like gearing myself up for that and i'm relaxing my upper body because if i
                                         
                                         know tiles come in i could push away or like the opposite direction. But I'm going in the direction
                                         
    
                                         where I'm loose and I'm letting myself
                                         
                                         almost going towards the technique
                                         
                                         and I'm on one leg.
                                         
                                         And the moment he threads the Taiyo,
                                         
                                         I'm already throwing myself
                                         
                                         leaning forward
                                         
                                         and as he's executing the throw, I'll do a
                                         
                                         calf lift. I'll push off on my
                                         
    
                                         calf.
                                         
                                         Not dorsiflex what's the other
                                         
                                         one i have no idea dorsiflex you know and i'll like push off my calf as i'm going forward so
                                         
                                         i'm not actually jumping but i'm making a maneuver where i'm extending myself towards the throw in
                                         
                                         the direction of the throw right yeah that is like peak uke stuff you know what i mean and i could
                                         
                                         take a great break fall for taiyo like this and i could do that for like sanagi uchimata i could
                                         
                                         that's i'm a master at that but taking a osorogari break fall i'm not as good i don't even know if
                                         
                                         there's like a flash because you basically make right now the way you describe it is like you're like basically making the throw look bigger, right?
                                         
    
                                         Like and then smoother.
                                         
                                         I don't even know how you can do that with those Dugari.
                                         
                                         I mean, yeah.
                                         
                                         You just kind of.
                                         
                                         Getting snuffed up, right?
                                         
                                         You like drive your heel back, right?
                                         
                                         You just drive back your weight to the heel.
                                         
                                         And then you lean back towards the throw.
                                         
    
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         Oh, and then you can.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         Then it'll be bigger. And then you don okay then it'll be bigger and then you don't
                                         
                                         hang on the person because then you get pulled you pull your tori down right yeah so like okay
                                         
                                         when i go sort of ochi or so like i enter osoto and the most common reaction is for the person
                                         
                                         to put their weight onto that leg so i'll like lean on the leg but not like turning away to the
                                         
                                         technique yeah i'll turn into the person so then i give him the proper angle
                                         
    
                                         right so we're like face to face facing each other so now and then i'll rotate my knee inward
                                         
                                         so then it's a much easier angle from the reach the leg yeah and as he's going in i'll like kind
                                         
                                         of like fall backwards already as he's going yeah but i don't like try to time the fall
                                         
                                         right because if i go jump for it yeah because then it looks
                                         
                                         really bad when it looks like I'm jumping for him yeah yeah so I'm just
                                         
                                         going slowly in the direction of the throne as he enters I'm throwing myself
                                         
                                         kind of like I'm just going with the maneuver you know what I mean yeah yeah
                                         
                                         yeah I see so it's it yeah so basically you also have to be very knowledgeable
                                         
    
                                         of the throw
                                         
                                         it's not just about
                                         
                                         like being limp
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         and then also like
                                         
                                         there's varying degrees
                                         
                                         of like torii and uke
                                         
    
                                         you know what I mean
                                         
                                         so like
                                         
                                         I will never forget man
                                         
                                         when you
                                         
                                         were at the dojo
                                         
                                         when you were like
                                         
                                         19 years old
                                         
                                         no you must have been
                                         
    
                                         22 years old or something
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         when I first showed up
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         and if you could go back
                                         
                                         on my Instagram to like the very first like 20 posts it's a video of me
                                         
                                         throwing you tayo video me throwing you tayo just like all right guys this is tayo bang and just
                                         
    
                                         hitting tayo once oh and then your cousin and then your cousin was like oh no don't throw my cousin
                                         
                                         like that oh yeah i kind of remember that yeah you know yeah that's like really good because you're so relaxed and it was just pure just you
                                         
                                         just stand in there right yeah you knew i was gonna do tayo and you just kind of like accept it
                                         
                                         yeah yeah i mean i i you know it's it looks big but it doesn't hurt because you know i know you're
                                         
                                         controlling and actually it would hurt less
                                         
                                         if I was just like
                                         
                                         go over
                                         
                                         so that one
                                         
    
                                         is an example of like
                                         
                                         Uke being neutral
                                         
                                         and Tori being
                                         
                                         the person
                                         
                                         who's just ripping the throw
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         yeah yeah
                                         
                                         but if you have a guy
                                         
    
                                         that's not that good
                                         
                                         and you have a really
                                         
                                         really good Uke
                                         
                                         he can make you look
                                         
                                         like a world champion
                                         
                                         that's the thing
                                         
                                         oh yeah
                                         
                                         right
                                         
    
                                         but like
                                         
                                         going towards the throw
                                         
                                         jumping off the calf
                                         
                                         like doing the calf race thing.
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         But you know,
                                         
                                         I've seen the reverse of that too.
                                         
                                         Yamashita came to New York
                                         
    
                                         and did a seminar
                                         
                                         and he had the worst uke
                                         
                                         in the room
                                         
                                         and they were doing
                                         
                                         moving uchikomi.
                                         
                                         This guy made Yamashita
                                         
                                         look like a beginner, dude.
                                         
                                         Yamashita was one of the
                                         
    
                                         greatest judokas
                                         
                                         of all time.
                                         
                                         The guy was like,
                                         
                                         alright, this is how you do it.
                                         
                                         And his English
                                         
                                         was very limited
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         so he couldn't really guide
                                         
    
                                         the uke
                                         
                                         to do
                                         
                                         like take the proper steps
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         and he was doing like
                                         
                                         alright 1, 2, 3, ochi
                                         
                                         1, 2, 3, ochi
                                         
                                         right
                                         
    
                                         and then the guy
                                         
                                         just wouldn't step back
                                         
                                         with the right foot
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         and the correct foot
                                         
                                         and then like
                                         
                                         the moment he like
                                         
                                         entered like
                                         
    
                                         the second or third time
                                         
                                         he like almost tripped
                                         
                                         and like turned
                                         
                                         and put his hand down
                                         
                                         and Ibasu's just sitting there
                                         
                                         like Jesus freaking Christ
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         why did he pick Kim?
                                         
    
                                         I don't know
                                         
                                         he volunteered I think
                                         
                                         and then after the second time
                                         
                                         Yamashita's literally like
                                         
                                         no get out of here
                                         
                                         he like went like this
                                         
                                         moved
                                         
                                         he like
                                         
    
                                         swept his hand away
                                         
                                         and then just pointed
                                         
                                         at somebody else
                                         
                                         he didn't
                                         
                                         he didn't
                                         
                                         Yamashita's not
                                         
                                         Yamashita's not
                                         
                                         about your
                                         
    
                                         Tory tricks
                                         
                                         no
                                         
                                         he was just like
                                         
                                         you come here
                                         
                                         and then they
                                         
                                         picked some light
                                         
                                         kids
                                         
                                         small kids
                                         
    
                                         and he wasn't
                                         
                                         even nice about it
                                         
                                         he wasn't like
                                         
                                         sparing about the
                                         
                                         throws out
                                         
                                         he just kept
                                         
                                         relentlessly
                                         
                                         slamming this kid
                                         
    
                                         over and over
                                         
                                         and I was like
                                         
                                         see that's the
                                         
                                         kind of stuff
                                         
                                         that makes
                                         
                                         no one want
                                         
                                         to be a Tory
                                         
                                         okay
                                         
    
                                         okay
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         that's
                                         
                                         well you can you can do that I guess when you're a Yamashita I guess so but you know No one want to be a Tory. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Well, you can do that, I guess, when you're a Yamashita.
                                         
                                         I guess so.
                                         
                                         But, you know, it's very conversational, right?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah. It's a very special relationship, Tory and Uke.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Because Tory also has to consider the person's body.
                                         
                                         You're just slamming the guy over and over.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Day in and day out.
                                         
                                         That's not very helpful.
                                         
                                         No, no.
                                         
    
                                         The guy's not going to want to do it anymore.
                                         
                                         Eventually, it hurts. I mean, I say, yeah, if you relax it want to do it anymore eventually it hurts i mean i say
                                         
                                         yeah if you're like it it hurts less but it hurts nonetheless yeah it's kind of like it's like a
                                         
                                         special relationship man tori and uke like you know because i've had like guys who were tori in
                                         
                                         the room who are amazing it's like all right guys bring it in for technique and then you see the
                                         
                                         tori pop up like like yeah you need me and then he like
                                         
                                         runs over to you
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
    
                                         it's kind of like
                                         
                                         a nice little
                                         
                                         and yeah
                                         
                                         it's like a little bit
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         top bottom sort of a thing
                                         
                                         but
                                         
                                         you gotta reciprocate
                                         
    
                                         right
                                         
                                         you gotta give something back
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         there's a
                                         
                                         appreciation sort of a situation
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         you have to
                                         
                                         it's always like this
                                         
    
                                         right
                                         
                                         like
                                         
                                         you can't
                                         
                                         you can't practice judo
                                         
                                         without your partner
                                         
                                         no
                                         
                                         I think there's like
                                         
                                         it gotta be a uke union
                                         
    
                                         uke union
                                         
                                         yeah dude
                                         
                                         like if you're
                                         
                                         I was joking about this
                                         
                                         the other day
                                         
                                         like if you're
                                         
                                         consistently uke
                                         
                                         for the head instructor
                                         
    
                                         and he's showing technique on you
                                         
                                         and you play music in the gym
                                         
                                         right
                                         
                                         uke should be able to pick
                                         
                                         two or three songs
                                         
                                         oh yeah
                                         
                                         you know what I mean
                                         
                                         like come on
                                         
    
                                         you know what I mean? Like, come on. You know what I mean?
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Remember this kid?
                                         
                                         This kid named James, the Korean kid.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         He was the best Uke in probably the tri-state area.
                                         
                                         So good.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, man.
                                         
                                         Remember?
                                         
                                         And then his sensei, the Filipino gentleman.
                                         
                                         That's right. Yeah. James. Yeah. Oh, man. He was a Kata championi, the Filipino gentleman, will always... That's right,
                                         
                                         Jettoway, yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Oh man,
                                         
    
                                         he was a Kata champion too.
                                         
                                         He was like a Kata uke.
                                         
                                         Dude, he is so good.
                                         
                                         Yo, he's so good.
                                         
                                         He'll make anyone
                                         
                                         look like an Olympic champion.
                                         
                                         You could be a green belt.
                                         
                                         You could do judo
                                         
    
                                         for six months too.
                                         
                                         You could be a white belt
                                         
                                         doing judo
                                         
                                         and you could take this kid
                                         
                                         and you could look like...
                                         
                                         You could put it on Instagram
                                         
                                         and immediately go viral.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Hey, James, if you're listening, man Instagram and immediately go viral. Yeah. Hey, James,
                                         
                                         if you're listening, man,
                                         
                                         like,
                                         
                                         I miss you.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I miss you having as my uke.
                                         
                                         Like, he,
                                         
                                         he is such a nice kid.
                                         
                                         You know,
                                         
    
                                         you guys could look him up
                                         
                                         on my YouTube,
                                         
                                         like today.
                                         
                                         You could find,
                                         
                                         you could do a three-person
                                         
                                         Nagen Okada
                                         
                                         and I kind of did it
                                         
                                         like half-jokingly.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Look up three-person
                                         
                                         Nagen Okada
                                         
                                         on my YouTube
                                         
                                         and then you'll find them yeah the
                                         
                                         best uke ever let me let me see if that actually comes up yeah he uh he he was always the yeah
                                         
                                         karaoke and then he would make the you know the uh he really throws himself into it really.
                                         
                                         He really, he's lanky,
                                         
    
                                         makes the action really big.
                                         
                                         Does it show up?
                                         
                                         Naga no Kata.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         If you do Naga no Kata,
                                         
                                         man, it only has,
                                         
                                         it doesn't have a lot of views.
                                         
                                         Let's see how much boost it's going to get from this.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, that'd be amazing, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's like one two
                                         
                                         three fourth one down you'll see you know what my videos look like so yeah type in naga no kata and
                                         
                                         don't look at any of the experts actually doing it and just me messing around and hanging out
                                         
                                         yeah that was pretty fun that was a good time yeah yeah james yen man what a okay man okay
                                         
                                         the century did yeah so what what can we actually do to become
                                         
                                         like james i guess like you just you talked about understanding the throw and all but is it just a
                                         
                                         matter what are some concrete steps we can take right away like being loose man being loose you
                                         
    
                                         know embracing the fall you have to have good ukemi skills right if you don't have good ukemi
                                         
                                         skills you're not going to be able to do it.
                                         
                                         And then if you're doing like uke
                                         
                                         as like on the ground,
                                         
                                         knowing all the different reactions,
                                         
                                         being knowledgeable really
                                         
                                         is kind of the main thing,
                                         
                                         you know?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And sometimes you pick
                                         
                                         like an intermediate guy
                                         
                                         to like just
                                         
                                         be the throwing dummy,
                                         
                                         I guess.
                                         
                                         And then sometimes you pick
                                         
                                         a higher level guy
                                         
    
                                         to kind of like
                                         
                                         enhance the lesson.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Right?
                                         
                                         Because,
                                         
                                         hey,
                                         
                                         you know, I go, even like jujitsu like i'm okay all
                                         
                                         the time for this guy nick damjoni for the 10 a.m i'm the guy okay you know like i just carved
                                         
    
                                         myself sort of like this niche identity at the essential jiu-jitsu at the 10 a.m class like
                                         
                                         because you're you you're not you don't really fit the usual uke, like the class uke. I volunteered for that.
                                         
                                         Profile and judo because you're big.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You're hard to throw.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And I volunteered for this.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I was like, Nick, man, if you ever need an uke, I got you.
                                         
    
                                         And you want to know what's great about that, maybe an uke doing that?
                                         
                                         Nick likes to do the technique once or twice before he actually shows everybody, right?
                                         
                                         So he'll come over to the side like as people are like messing around or just stretching or before class even because like
                                         
                                         come on right and i'm like oh what are we learning today he's like oh we're gonna do butterfly guard
                                         
                                         into this and that reaction i'm like oh cool and as he's showing the moves i could ask him questions
                                         
                                         like oh how do you force that hand high above to force that shoulder crunch or like how do you get
                                         
                                         to that butterfly he's like sometimes you go shin to shin
                                         
                                         sometimes you gotta go there
                                         
    
                                         sometimes I go to
                                         
                                         I wanna do that
                                         
                                         and then so I get like
                                         
                                         a mini private lesson almost
                                         
                                         for like 5-10 minutes first
                                         
                                         and then he does the technique right
                                         
                                         and then I can even be like
                                         
                                         yo what happens to this guy
                                         
    
                                         it's very informative for me
                                         
                                         I love it
                                         
                                         I love it
                                         
                                         and then
                                         
                                         class starts
                                         
                                         we do like
                                         
                                         a little bit of a
                                         
                                         5-10 minute warm up drill
                                         
    
                                         and then he's like alright bring right, bring it in, guys.
                                         
                                         And then I go in and I'm like, all right, do whatever you want to me.
                                         
                                         And then it's kind of nice.
                                         
                                         You're such a good student.
                                         
                                         You're like first to the class.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         But you know, man, this is the thing.
                                         
                                         Like when he was teaching the lesson and then I would be in the back watching.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah. Very easy for me to doze off. That was my guy. That was me. teaching the lesson and then I would be in the back watching yeah
                                         
                                         very easy for me
                                         
                                         to doze off
                                         
                                         that was my guy
                                         
                                         that was me
                                         
                                         you know in school
                                         
                                         like every class
                                         
                                         that I've ever taken
                                         
    
                                         sitting in the back
                                         
                                         like messing around
                                         
                                         the whole time right
                                         
                                         I can't pay attention
                                         
                                         I just can't
                                         
                                         it's too easy
                                         
                                         to mess around
                                         
                                         the back of the class
                                         
    
                                         when I was getting
                                         
                                         my MBA
                                         
                                         the classes that I
                                         
                                         like alright
                                         
                                         I gotta do well
                                         
                                         in this class
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         you sit in the front I'll sit in the front and this is the equivalent man there is no fronter seat
                                         
    
                                         than being okay i know you can't just think about anything else yeah it's like you're on the teacher's
                                         
                                         lap you know yeah yeah quite literally yeah teacher tell me tell me you know so yeah no it's
                                         
                                         great being okay man and i think uh you know, advocate for everybody to challenge themselves.
                                         
                                         And if you're a teacher, I don't want to say the word groom, but you want to groom good Ukes, too.
                                         
                                         You know what I mean?
                                         
                                         You got to make sure you got to build different Ukes.
                                         
                                         So, like, if your main Uke is not in the room, you don't panic.
                                         
                                         Like, oh, shit.
                                         
    
                                         Which goon am I going to take?
                                         
                                         And then, like, yeah.
                                         
                                         Right, right.
                                         
                                         And then, you know know you might look you might
                                         
                                         look like a beginner if you pick the wrong one yeah man appreciation is you know there needs to
                                         
                                         be more of that stuff because like if without an uke man who are you going to show technique on
                                         
                                         you know you just can't so it's like you need a good uke you know they get no love yeah you know what i mean we need a uke appreciation week yeah yeah we need to
                                         
                                         make a drake song like starting as a uke nam here
                                         
    
                                         well yeah well if you wanna yeah like we said i i if you wanna check out some like real you know
                                         
                                         good examples of uke you can actually look up nage no kata and check out you know good examples of uke. You can actually look up Nagen no Kata
                                         
                                         and check out Shintaro's videos,
                                         
                                         not the fancy ones.
                                         
                                         And it starts off me and Eugene,
                                         
                                         and then we alternate out with James.
                                         
                                         So you'll see him take great breakfalls.
                                         
                                         Eugene is also a great uke too.
                                         
    
                                         He's a great practice partner.
                                         
                                         He's a good example if you want to check it out yeah like a real life example yeah all right anything else no man guys thank you very much for
                                         
                                         listening as always i greatly appreciate everyone who's involved in our journey uh we have a lot of
                                         
                                         youtube followers we have 200 000 now on youtube milestone over 100 000 on instagram you know
                                         
                                         mike o'hearn started following me on Instagram?
                                         
                                         Mike who?
                                         
                                         Mike O'Hearn.
                                         
                                         He's a jacked up dude.
                                         
    
                                         No, I don't know who that is.
                                         
                                         He's got like 4 million Instagram.
                                         
                                         He's like a fitness guy.
                                         
                                         Yeah, he's like... Oh.
                                         
                                         Maybe he's going to take
                                         
                                         some judo with you.
                                         
                                         That'd be nice, right?
                                         
                                         Roddy Chang follows me too,
                                         
    
                                         you know?
                                         
                                         Oh, I know that.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         So pretty amazing stuff, man.
                                         
                                         Thank you guys.
                                         
                                         I can't do it without you guys,
                                         
                                         you know,
                                         
                                         helping me out. I'm very, very grateful. So thank you everyone. Yeah. So pretty amazing stuff, man. Thank you guys. I can't do it without you guys, you know, uh, helping me out and I'm very,
                                         
    
                                         very grateful,
                                         
                                         you know?
                                         
                                         So yeah.
                                         
                                         Thank you everyone.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I mean,
                                         
                                         the same goes from,
                                         
                                         you know,
                                         
    
                                         for me,
                                         
                                         it's,
                                         
                                         it's been a great journey and thanks for your continued support and we'll see you guys in the next episode.
                                         
