The Shintaro Higashi Show - Judo and MMA

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

Most people are exposed to Judo as a sport via international tournaments like the Olympics. The techniques used in those settings are often hyper optimized for the purpose of winning a Judo match, and not necessarily ideal in martial settings. However, Judo is first and foremost a martial art. Then, what would be an ideal selection of Judo techniques that are most applicable to MMA, self-defense and combative settings? What are some of the Judo techniques you may want to avoid in those settings? Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show with Peter Yu. Today we're going to talk about MMA and Judo and Combatives. A question from one of our guys who is a Patreon member on our Discord server. Right, so this is a topic suggestion from Sam, one of our Patrons. He wanted to know, he used to be a combative instructor in the military. So he wanted to know more about judo technique selection that is most applicable to martial settings, self-defense settings, and MMA combative settings. So we're going to drill deep into that topic today. Yep. Exciting stuff. Yeah, I hope a lot of people like it.

With MMAma the popularity of mma and all yeah you do see a lot of judo throws in mma and you know people sort of ask me this question like hey do you have any whoops my bad sorry about that no it's okay come on eugene what are you doing calling me right now uh yeah so like you know oh hey how about uh nogi judo right and a lot of the times my answer is like nogi judo is kind of like wrestling yeah yeah so you know there's a lot of throws in wrestling that are very very effective that have sort of judo flair like if you look at the russian guys they're wrestling it looks a lot like judo yeah they do a lot of the uh uchimata like like uchimata like yeah overhook and getting

behind yeah headlock throws hip throws all the stuff so there's definitely a very strong overlap between the two right right so the i maybe we'll start with that you know i see um a lot of times the in mma matches they clinch and then go against the wall and then because of that or against the cage I guess and then because of that they tend to kind of stand high the guy whose back is against the wall and then a lot of people hit haraigoshi like throws so things like that so what are some of the options? Throw options that are really applicable in this MMA settings. Yeah, I think like some of the ones that are most like Effective like you're pushed up against the cage. Yeah pulling them just a little bit off the cage

So they shift the weight to the one of the legs and then going out your coach II like that You see this you see this but not everyone does it get it's not sort of like a thing that everyone that most people just kind of like push up against the cage and they drop down to a single or something of that nature but you know it's very difficult to drop down to a single especially with the cage holding the person up and hand fighting and all this stuff that's the beauty of this judo trips and stuff like this is because your upper bodies are locked up and then whatever it is your arms are preoccupied You're just attacking leg versus leg. So you gain from that inside position, shift the weight off balance, and then you attack.

So I think that's hugely not done so frequently, and I think that's definitely an opportunity for a lot of these people. And then you could use that and parlay that off the failed reaction, the failed attack, the reaction, and then turn it into a bigger turn throw. Right, right. Yeah. And not like turn throw like our guy said, Ippon Senagi,

but that's a little risky because if you miss it, you give up your back. So there's some turn throws that are better for MMA than others, I think. Like such as? Such as like attacking off the underhook, underhook and wrist. Right? Throwing with the underhook side going for the hurray or something that way there's no risk of them taking the back i see oh because you're like yeah your body frame is kind of preventing them from going around yeah i mean

if you look at like hip position and body position if you look at like i know a lot of people who do listen to this yeah so if you're doing a knee cut pass you want the cross body underhook right right cross side underhook yeah because if you go straight to the head and then they slip out the back door now they have your back right right so it's sort of exactly the same thing if you're locked up with the person against occasion you turn and try to put them in a kosher groom a headlock type throw and their head slips out they have your back right and you see this all the time you know so it's more like a hail mary you know super fast explosive movement when you're going for these headlocks i see right and then when i used to wrestle a lot of it was pull the head down you get a head reaction up so then you catch the head and then you throw your body into

it as hard as and as fast as you can right it's timing oriented power oriented it's very great it's an amazing move but high risk high reward right but if you're attacking off the underhook you go for it they're not going to take you back if you fail and then you could always switch it off to a coach or an oach or an inside right right or even an osoto and you see a lot of the guys who have judo experience in mma hitting this pretty. A lot of like the, what's called the Dagestani folks? Yeah, the Dagestani guys have big judo influence. You know, like Khabib did judo. His father did judo.

Who's the new guy? The tall one? He does a lot. Jemayev or something? Yeah, yeah. He looks good on there. But I noticed that instead of the underhook, a lot of times they get the overhook. You can do the overhook too, yeah, for sure.

And I've been doing more no-gain, and I find it easier to do hip top, judo, hip throws with an overhook. Yeah, overhook is nice. Because people are always gaming for that underhook. Because when you have the underhook, you could slip down for a single. Right, right, right. When you have the overhook, you can't slip down for the single. Right, because you're parking it on.

Yes. So a lot of people will fight for that underhook and then you kind of give it and then you tighten the overhook with downward pressure. And then if you could fight for head position, now you could start launching Uchimaki and stuff like that. And in that hip-to-hip overhook underhook position, if you have a tight overhook, they can't take you back either right it's the same as sort of if you're on both knees it's the dog fight position uh when they're hip

to hip head to head they're parallel overhook under hook right very similar right so the so yeah so that that's some of the uh choices in judo throw so and i think recently so i've been doing a little more bjj myself too and then what i noticed that um the judo's emphasis on quick quick transition from stand up to ground uh nowaza yeah actually it's actually very useful because i i find myself catching a lot of people that way like i i'll if we start on our knees, I quickly do my pass and then go right for a submission. People don't expect that. I wonder, in your opinion, if that's applicable to combative settings like this. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, because transition is where Judo Nwazada should shine. Right, absolutely. You know, because transition is where judo and nirwaza should shine. Right, right. When you're settled in top position, bottom position, in the freaking guard or whatever it is, or open guard, that's not where judo shines. That's jiu-jitsu's world. Because they have unlimited time there. Judo, you don't have unlimited time there. You have five seconds at best. One, two, three, four, five. If nothing happens, they're like, all right, get back up to your feet.

So that's not judo's nirwaza strength yeah judo's nirwaza strength is boom hit the mat going into something right right because the threat of slamming someone is so big yeah you throw them on their head and then they're like oh my god i get thrown to my head and then what just happened and as they're trying to gain their right footing or proprioception like they don't really know where they are relative to the earth right where they are upside down you know whatever it is and then all of a sudden you're getting your arm cranked if you look at some of the most successful nirwaza transition stars like flavio canto who go for the tomonage and then you're trying to defend the Tomonage because you don't want to get bombed onto your head, he's already choking you.

Right, right, right. Right? I guess Randa had a lot of success in that way, right? Yeah. The famous armbar. It's a little bit different, though. The topside armbar is a little bit different. Oh, in what way?

She's taking the back, and usually when you take the back, you just go hooks and then try to go over your naked. But she climbs up the body and goes for that topside arm bar Oh, it's a little bit different. It's like yes, it's transitional new waza, but it's more so attacking the turtle in a judo way Where a lot of these guys are not exposed to that. I guess that's an interesting point. You MMA. I think more than BJJ they people tend to turtle BJJ, people tend to turtle more, right?

Is that correct? Because I think they try to escape the bottom position that way. Or maybe it's just a wrong observation that I made. Maybe. Sometimes when you're getting hit in the head, you start covering up and you go into a ball, right? As opposed to like, okay, the guy is behind me. Let me just roll to my back and then you know put it in side control to retain guard right you know if i'm rolling to my back and this is a

thing you know uh there's a disconnect you know they think mma fighting yes mma is fighting but if you're down in turtle and you have the hands like this you're not allowed to hit the back of the head oh against the roll i see yeah so like covering up tight with the hand to the side and then they can't hit the back of your head. I'm obviously going to hit you in the side of the head, of course. Right, right. It's sort of limited target there. You know, as opposed to like you go to the back this way and then you're like turning and then that whole freaking thing coming, hand coming down. You're very, very exposed there.

Right, right. I see. Yeah, but the Nwaza transition is where it's at. You know, you go Ochigari, and then do you land in the guard, or do you pass as they're falling? Right. Right? If you throw them with a headlock throw, you're landing in side control. Okay? So, boom, land in side control, you're landing on them, and they're like, oh, shoot, what happened?

And you're already sort of cranking an Udagarami or whatever it is. You boom, throw them and immediately transitioning to mouth. That's like technically a Nwaza transition. Throw them, pin them. Wrestling too, it's like you double, take them down with a double and they're landing on their head and you

jump into the side and the side control immediately. That's Nwaza transition. I see. Obviously we don't have double action used to yeah that's so i think oh that you brought up bring up a interesting point because the maybe i personally i think the ability to pin someone is very important even in that wasn't and i don't i think bjj should be should put place more emphasis on it in my opinion what do you think about that like transitioning like emphasis on pinning like wrestling and judo definitely have emphasis on pinning like establishing dominant position as you take someone down i think they already do man you get rewarded for dominant

position you pass someone's guard you're in the pin essentially position in judo wrestling it's different wrestling you get back points but then pin is different you need to show the blades on the floor right so depending on how you define pin uh right well i guess i hold some hold i guess bjj it's just personal impression. I'm trying not to like it. But because a lot of times they teach techniques from the guard, like when you have your back on the ground. I feel like they don't really play,

not a lot of people play the top game or like this maintaining the top pressure. Yeah, they do. It's just the gym that you're at oh no because if you're a leg locked person if you're focusing on nogi and you're trying to compete yeah you're gonna do a lot of stuff from the bottom it's just like cater to the point system i see because if you're a nogi guy you sit guard okay and now you're in bottom position if you sweep them you get a point right you could attack leg locks without the risk of losing position. You're on the bottom anyway.

If you're in top position, you go for a leg lock, you miss, you give up position, right? You get essentially swept, right? Right, right. So a lot of people like to focus on that better. And when Bernardo Fari used to come to the dojo, he used to always say like, yeah, listen, I go go guard so then you know i sweep and then i get sweep points and then i pass and then i get pass points and now i'm in side control in dominant position so he goes that's my game it's sometimes it doesn't make

sense to take the person down because it's very very energy consuming right and it's not that many points and now you know and of, some people have a pressure passing game, like a very good pressure passing game. Pressure passing, mobility passing. So they do focus on it. I see. Okay. It was just my limited knowledge.

See, that's why I had to qualify mine. But so, oh, I was going to say something. The pinning. Well, I lost my turn, I thought. Yeah, they focus on pinning because you get rewarded for that. Right, right, right. But this is the thing. This is where your impression may be coming from.

They get rewarded more for throwing in the hooks. Right. From out. Hooks. Hooks, you know, it's not really pinning. You have back control. Ah. Or control in the back.

So maybe because hierarchically right you know the back attack position is much better in jiu-jitsu maybe that's where you got that impression right i maybe yeah i think that's what it is i'll i remember what i was going to say it's almost like in folk wrestling if you're a point point or two down you start from the bottom try to get the escape point and then try to you know it's something which is a beautiful thing and i can't like overemphasize this enough it's one of the best skills to be able to have from getting off the bottom yeah getting off the bottom in a way like in mma every people don't retain guard usually they want to get up off the ground yeah yeah if you get taken down and the guy's on top and half

guard and throw him punches right that's the thing like in jiu's the thing yeah half guard from top and bottom it's a very good position right for both people depending on who you are and what you do from bottom position in half there's lots of things you can do but if you're doing mma bottom half guard you could eat some big punches right because they're like you're it's prime for this big punches right yeah on the top, yeah. So you get a very strong wrestler grounding pound type guy, and he's throwing down bombs. You're not going to want to go from half guard to full guard or closed guard,

maybe, but it's kind of better off if you can kind of push away and get back up to your feet, obviously depending on whether you're a good striker or not. There's so many different factors involved here. It's unfair to kind of say, but wanting to get off the bottom when you feel like you're a good striker or not. There's so many different factors involved here. It's unfair to kind of say, but wanting to get off the bottom when you feel like you're in trouble, I think that's a huge skill

that folk style wrestling offers that even freestyling Greco doesn't because they have parterre. They don't get rewarded for standing off the bottom. Oh, right. I see, I see. Interesting points, interesting points. So we kind of focus on the MMA side. So maybe we can branch out to more like outside of the octagon, maybe more like combat settings. And you've used judo in real life. We talked about that in one of the episodes.

to bounce yeah at uh at like a bar in my early 20s right so i would go to judo and then after i was taking oddball gigs because i was trying to make you know like an olympic team and stuff right i had to take these little gigs you know whether it was like waiting tables or like right you know bouncing or whatever it is you know in between the time that i was training and trying to compete and travel you can't like really start a career if you're just traveling doing judo that's tough life tough life so i'll go to judo and then afterwards i would go to this bar out in brooklyn and then i would just like watch the door check ids and then kick drunk people out but that's the thing like i'm not a big guy right uh so it's like people would always start with me oh gosh yeah it's like all right man you had too much you got to go make me was like oh man all the time you know what i mean yeah and that's what i've

like make him leave and then sometimes they'll swing sometimes they'll like you know lock on sometimes they'll get aggressive and then you would use judo and i found during that time you know foot sweeps work the best foot sweeps or sotos so you didn't you didn't go blasting doubles on people i think i felt i have right like there was this guy there was a light fixture that he like jumped up and grabbed onto oh wow yeah like it was like a concert in the bar and i was like oh my god don't do that you know and then he goes do what do this and then jumped up and grabbed another one and then it like pulled out yeah yeah and i'm like surprised like it didn't like break in his hand it was like uh you know like a bulb not like a bulb bulb but it was like it was like a light fixture

oh reach up and grab and pull it down right and then he did that and i was just like you know what i doubled him did you like just carry them or no i doubled them and then like got his legs out and he like landed and then he like turned his back to get up and then i put him in a rear naked choke oh and then i was like dragging him out that's a good there was a transition right there great one yeah i was dragging him out and then these random bar patrons started like giving them body shots i'm like dragging him i'm like guys stop doing that. Everyone hated him. Yeah. But that was one that I had. And a lot of the times, big advantage if you're a bouncer at a bar or something, people are

drinking and their balance is already messed up. So it's like liquid chorus kind of already gives you the kuzushi. Yeah. They're already falling over on their own thing. So when they take a swing and they miss, it's like they're falling over on their own. And then you just tap their feet and they're going to fall down. I see. I'm not like advocating bar violence.

Oh, yeah. This is a professional setting we're talking about. This was his job to keep safety. You know what's messed up? When I was dragging that one person out, when people were giving him body shots, setting we're talking about that was this was his job to keep safety keep the place up when i was dragging that one person out when people give it in body shots yeah yeah right i uh like you know i'm like dragging him out but it was really crowded because it was like a concert yeah it was like a concert kind of thing going and then this woman was like standing behind me i was like move move right and then she didn't move and then i like was like shoving me. I was like, move, move, right? And then she didn't move and then I was like shoving past her

and she like tripped. Oh, no. And I accidentally stepped on her head. Oh, no, collateral damage. Yeah, she didn't like get hurt or anything, but then she made a big complaint to the bar, you know. And obviously, like, I'm the only Asian bouncer there. So she sent the email.

The Asian bouncer. Yeah, it was like the manager was like, hey, I got an email about you. And I was like, how do you know it was me? And the manager's like, well, she specifically said Asian bouncer. And then they're like, you're the only Asian bouncer here. Like, you're the only Asian staff. That's messed up.

You know what's funny, man? There were like two other dudes working with me they were huge right right right they were so out of shape but no one was no one tried to not a lot of people try to start shit with them dude no one would start anything with them because they were so afraid of them yeah but if you ask that guy to go get me like hey can you get me a coke from the bar yeah like he would walk up to the bar and he would huff and puff and by the time he got back he was out of shit he was like breathing he was like here's your coke man and he had like terrible eyesight because he had these really thick glasses oh my god yeah so it's like and it's dark he couldn't see anything in there right right

and he's out of shape and it's like you know uh it's like it was kind of crazy i think what i guess that's another thing you just train hard in judo and bulk up that's another applicable skill to this combative settings you know yeah that size factor i gotta i gotta say though because we're talking about combatives yeah stuff like that you can't just do judo and then think you're gonna go farewell in a street fight. Because a street fight is so much more. And, you know, many different martial arts will tell you, like, just do our style and you'll be a great fighter. You know, you hear this from Krav Maga and stuff.

Right, right, right. They have their reasoning and they have marketing materials and marketing bullet points. Right. Oh, you know, you don't have to do Jiu-Jitsu because, you know, Krav Maga is the best because we stay on our feet and we end the fight immediately and you know it's not MMA MMA is garbage because I'll punch the guy in the throat and I'll poke him in the eye you know and it's like

yeah it's like there's all these different things you know that there's no complete perfect martial art there's elements in each martial art that are very beneficial right right you gotta know a little bit of, like, not getting strut, like, punch. Right.

Got to know some defense to close the distance. Mm-hmm. That's why the double leg in the wrestling is so good. Because as opposed to, like, learning how to, like, dock and slip punches and stuff and close the distance in, like, a hand-to-hand combat setting,

their takedown methodology It's already built in and not getting punched right because you're immediately changing levels and shooting low Uh-huh, and who's gonna have time like within that range and they understand range because you know, they're hand fighting the right I'm touching the forehead and stuff like that. So they understand the range to go out there and immediately I'm about to get touched stuff like that so they understand the range they go out there and immediately i'm about to get touched like this i mean within touching range they could change levels and dive into the legs right right and who's going to be able to time a knee or an uppercut you know in sort of like this unprofessional street setting right right most likely not you know you have to like assume that they're a wrestler you have to have training you know most people don't know how to throw knees you know it's not intuitive right and most people do looping right hand they don't do

short tight uppercuts yeah so like that's why naturally if you're looking at trained versus untrained wrestlers have a big advantage right judo used to have that advantage yeah yeah leg grabs you know and people uh so in in this version of double leg and on this for the street yeah yeah leg grabs you know and people uh so in in this version of double leg and on this for the street you're talking more about like though uh you're not going down to your knees and stuff right like no you don't have to right when you're wrestling that's another thing you know there's a marketing bullet point right right wrestling doesn't work in real life because no one ever takes these low stances and you should never take any. Yes. But they're doing that for a reason, because they're both bending and fighting for level. Right. Right. Gaming to get sort of lower to be able to shoot in the legs.

Right. In real life, no one's going to be crouched down protecting their legs because you get kicked in the face. Right. It's intuitive. So when you're upright, you don't have to go that low to access the legs. All you got to do is get below because they say first line of defense, arms, second line of defense, head. So if you could clear the hands and the head, and all you got to do is just change a little bit of level and they're lunging forward, you're already in. You have access to the hips and legs. So you just dive in. I see. And if that fails, you can climb up the body and hit him with an ochi oh yeah if you're untrained and you have a good ochi no one's defending that

yeah the inside trip the outside trip yeah so i guess yeah so going back to your point about you know if you want it for combative settings judo offers a lot of good things but in very specific way like we talked about specific ways yes and then to recognize that yeah and then the technique you drill it over and over and over right right you do nagakomi you do ochi nagakomi and you have many many experiences understanding how the person's going to react which direction you throw on them so you kind of have this feel that's developed over time right the sensitivity to what the other person's body's doing relative to yours because you're always locked up, right? When they shift their weight in one direction,

you feel it in your hands and your core. Right, right. And naturally, you could just switch directions and throw the person in that way. Right, right. Right, because your body's connected. So having those kinds of things helps you inadvertently when you're in a scrambling position against an untrained person. They're throwing their body at you.

Very easy to, oh, he's throwing his body forward. I'm going to launch him with a hip throw now. Right. And you turn and then you drop your hips and now he's loaded on your back and then you whip it over. It's like you develop the this thing naturally right i so that's the beauty of it people that say that to me though like but when i think about sometimes i think about like would i really be able to do this move if i was attacked i like i don't know man it's's such a different setting like I'll be so I might be so shell shocked I think we

all would man like yeah take Will Smith and Chris Rock I don't I don't we're not talking about it I don't know what I would have done you know yeah I had no idea what Will Smith would have done to me you know all the people who are like I would have freaking double-legged him and

fought him and this and that it's like man you're in shock like that is just coming out of left field yeah right could you imagine like if you walk into an elevator and an old woman standing next to you and she's like how how's your day and then meet you in the balls you wouldn't see that coming i don't care what athlete you are what mma or what sport you've ever done dude you're not checking you're not checking that knee man you're not checking it and then you're gonna drop to your knees and then you're gonna be like holy moly did this old woman just knee me in the crotch and then the doors open in the elevators and she leaves and then there's a security camera right and then someone uploads it on youtube and now all of a sudden you're a viral meme yeah like oh look at this judo black belt

yeah judo instructor gets taken down by an old lady uh-huh judo doesn't work yeah it doesn't work it's like so you just don't know man like it it's a different type of a stress it's a different type of a thing you know and it's also not you know i've heard people like that's why i'm on guard all the time that's no way to live either that's very stressful you know everywhere you go you're like all right who's gonna attack me now i gotta know myself look for the exits like you know you gotta be somewhat yeah you gotta be somewhat like alert and attentive but that's really not a way to live you know just assuming everyone's gonna attack you so then that we're kind of shifting gears towards like this mental side of. So I guess, well, so you've been in that situation before.

So you think it does help mentally? I mean, I'm assuming it really does. Yeah. So I have a conversation about this one dude who had kids at the top window for years. Uh-huh. Right? And similar story, right? They've been doing it for years.

They're black belts. They're like 12. They go to middle school. And then they're kind of not getting bullied, but these kids start a fight with one another. Yeah. And then they walk up to those Taco No Kids and grab them by the collar and shove them against the wall. But they've never felt anyone put their hands on them before. So they're freaked out.

And now they're not in range to kick them in the head too close yeah too close so it's like they're freaked out and then you know uh they go home and they tell their parents and their parents are like oh that's why you know we decided takudo is useless and now we're here at your judo school uh and i was kind of like and there's some like you know kind of kind of, sort of, not really. Right, right. You know what I mean? Judo, because you constantly have the stimulus of someone putting their hands on you with intent, you get used to that intensity. Right, right. When someone's trying to slam you, you get used to that intensity.

Right. Being able to overcome sort of that stress with people flying right that definitely helps because it's familiar right uncomfortable feeling you've been there before you know when someone like starts to fight with you peter and they start swinging wildly and you duck your head and you close your body and then now all of a sudden you've locked in with them right i'm almost certain like direct attacks really you know don't like do the adjusting position, setting up attacks. It's not going to be a skilled response. Right, right, right. It's like an instinctual, yeah.

It's going to be quick, fast, direct attacks, boom. That's kind of what you got to go for, right? And, you know, you've been there before, right? Going with a white belt who's brand new. Right. Who's just thrashing around. And, you know, we had a guy who started, you know, last week who's just like a great athlete. He's unbelievably strong and he's thr thrashing around. We had a guy who started last week who's just a great athlete. He's unbelievably strong

and he's thrashing at you. Of course, we're not allowed to punch, but that mimics real-life conflict with an untrained person who's athletic. So we've been there before. I think that's one of the biggest merits and wrestling has the same thing. Jiu-Jitsu has the same thing.

How to handle that stressful... How to stay composed during the stressful situation. But I can't stress. You have to be able to do some striking defense stuff. Right, right. You don't need a ton of experience. And like I said, there's different types of striking defense. Wrestling has that sort of embedded into them.

So does Judo Nwaza. Like if you're shooting in you know uh camera not focusing yeah you're shooting in it's like you're already sort of bypassing the arms on the head which is sort of the first two things that you need to clear in order to take someone down with a double right you know so i now i think about it, I do... So I used to play a lot of soccer, as you know, and, you know, soccer can get physical, but I remember, yeah, people... I didn't think that I was being too physical,

but people would get really riled up around me, especially people who are bigger than me. Yeah. And I remember that. I was like, I wasn't trying to do much. You're pretty rough though. Maybe I was just being an asshole. Yeah.

You're the worst kind because you're skilled and you've been around and you know a lot and you're unassuming because you're a nerdy PhD Asian guy and you're good and you go way too hard.

I fixed that thanks to you. I fixed it a little bit. I don't go hard as hard. But maybe there was that element. But yeah. So I think we covered. Go ahead. So one more thing.

It's like a lot of people when they get into conflicts, they go chest to chest and they want to bluster. So that's actually pretty good. You know when someone has intent to hurt you and then they put their hands up and then they look like they have the skill set to be able to, okay, here we go. Right, right. Move in a certain way and you're like, okay, this guy's a freaking striker. He's coming at me.

Yeah. So manage distance, manage distance. They're coming forward and then you shoot in on the legs climb up the body and take them down you know and the takedowns generally like you have to have a nice double because it's a great way to clear the arms and not get punched and yeah you know if you don't know like how to slip the punch and stuff like that it's kind of the next best thing right and then you climb up the body under hook and stuff ochi deashi susai all those things you know very effective stuff. And you develop that sensitivity through training all the time. And you're used to being, you know, going upside down and all this.

And then, you know, that's where it's at. I'm not saying like because you do judo, you're a great fighter. They're two different things, you know. And just like I distinguish between sport judo and martial judo. You have to distinguish between doing martial arts and being a fighter. You know, and fighting in the ring is different from fighting in the cage, different from fighting in the street, being a street fighter. And then the argument for a lot of these jiu-jitsu guys is like, you could fight dirty, but they could fight dirty. Sure.

But that's not sound reasoning. Because if I'm getting into it, someone, and I have a handful of sand in my pocket and I grab it, and then I get in this position, and then as they're coming at me i throw it into their eyes pocket sand yeah can they do it too to me yes they can but did they think of it do they have sand in their pocket probably not that's why shinto always carries some sand in his pockets i think it's actually better than like uh pepper spray oh pocket sand is better than pepper spray yeah because i have pepper spray you know actually it's nuts and then you you pepper spray someone and you're grappling with them and then you get it in your own house that's why they say pepper gel is better because if you're doing

pepper spray and it's upwind and it goes into your face you're going to be blinding yourself and you can like fumble around you you have to be blinding yourself. And you fumble around. You have to kind of practice how to use the mace. You know what would be the ultimate boss move as a martial artist? When you get into it with someone and you pull out pepper spray and you pepper spray yourself. And then still beat the other guy? To show that you were giving him a handicap

to make it a fair fight. It's like, hey, listen. i can beat your ass right now but i'll i'll make it a fair fight for you dude the handful of sand might be a thing man that's got that might be like my uh new product my next product yeah so you'd be like shintarigashi ziplock with your logo on it and easy access it maybe you can come up with a new uh opening because you know you don't want to make your uh pocket dirty but you want a pouch a quick access pouch yeah yeah i don't know what how but i'm sure you can figure it out we'll call it ninja powder oh and then we'll like sell the uh sand too like special sand that's like really effective and it's a little bit heavier because then that way it's not right if the wind's blowing in your direction

right right it doesn't get it i learned that lesson the hard way when i was a kid me and my my family we went to the beach and my sister was throwing sand and my mom was like don't do that and she kept doing it and i was like, don't do that. And she kept doing it. And I was like, I'm going to do it too. And then I grabbed a handful of sand and I threw it. And it all got into you. Like upwind. And then the thing came and blasted me in the face.

And I didn't understand. I was like a little kid. I was like, how come my sister was able to throw sand and me? Like I just didn't get it. I was like six or seven. Oh, no. Poor Shintaro. My parents were looking at me like, man didn't get it you know i was like six or seven oh no poor shintaro my parents are looking at me like man this kid is dumb i think it's understandable so we need to

overcome that problem of wind yeah shintaro uh shintaro igashi branded sand pouch for self if you throw sand in someone's eyes... Dude, that's annoying. You can't open your eyes for like a good 10 minutes. They immediately go like this. And they go like this and then they hands it up. And now you can just close the distance, grab their wrist and head and then just slam them with soda.

Game over. So that's the answer. We solved it today yeah so work on that uh sans throwing skills so so um i hope we a you know cover a lot of different things i i know we've covered bits and pieces here and there throughout the years but um i think we'll try to consolidate a little bit more um and yeah hopefully i know there are a lot of people who are not just judo judo practitioners who listen to this and hopefully they will find this uh you guys will find this helpful um anything else to before we close no guys join us on discord join us on patreon you

get to have a conversation with mostly peter you gotta come on now. Yeah, I got to come on now. You could ask questions. You could make requests. It's all fun. Please hit me up for seminar inquiries. I did one in Las Vegas at Shoshin Con and I did one in Red River Judo in North Dakota. Huge success. Thank you to you guys.

You guys are amazing. Maybe we'll do a separate podcast on that yeah but it was really fun and they're just good people man you know they that's like what was out there that was my question especially fargo north dakota yeah people like what do they have out there was a question and i was just straight up like good people man good people good people that's all that matters really that's what it was about yeah what about the food or like they had bagels pizza and burgers just like they do here, really. What about landmarks and all this stuff?

There's not too much in the city of Fargo. It's a very small place. But the people were great. That's awesome. We'll do a separate episode about that. Yeah, like a little debrief. Yeah, cool. And for Discord, it's not just talking to me. It's a little community.

Everyone can ask questions and a lot of people give different input. You can upload your videos and stuff. And yeah, so please join us if you can. Thanks for listening and stay tuned for the next episode.