The Shintaro Higashi Show - Kata

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

What is Kata? Why is it controversial? How can it be beneficial to our Judo journey? Shintaro and Peter discuss how we should approach Kata as we practice Judo. Just a bit of an ad to support Peter's family: please check out Peter's mother-in-law's handmade bucket hats! Perfect for this summer! Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

Hey guys, what's going on? Welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show with Peter Yu. Today we're going to talk about kata. I know this is like a crazy topic. People talk about this stuff all the time. Like, is kata useful? Especially in Judo, we have nagana kata. A lot of people don't know, right? The white belts, yellow belts don't know about this. That's the most popular one, I guess. So let's talk about what a kata is first. What is a kata? It just literally almost means shape, right?

Right. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what it means. And it's sort of like this choreographed movement usually done solo. A lot of times in like karate and Aikido and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu and all these different forms of martial art, there's a self-training component where you're sort of going through choreographed moves and then a white belt to have a certain kata yellow belts a certain kata yeah and then it just kind of goes on karate is like really known for this right i didn't want to though i did those when i took taekwondo in korea

to yeah taekwondo is another big one that you know each belt has a certain kata to learn and right yeah and you said solo but judo katas are a little different in that regard right yeah judo is a two-person kata right right and it's choreographed right so it's absolutely cooperative right you need to have a person who does the move tori yes and who receives the move okay yeah right okay so that's a kata so what is uh what is a nage no kata so nage no kata is the throwing kata let's talk a little bit more about kata right is it useful okay that's the number one question that you get right right you go into a karate school you go into any sort of school is it useful? That's the number one question that you get. You go into a karate school, you go into any sort of school, is it useful? And people have this thing like, oh, if you're just doing kata, you're not going to get good at anything.

And it's somewhat true. You can't just train kata and be a good fighter or a good sport karate person. If your goal is to spar and punch someone in the face, doing kata is not really going to help you. But there are merits there and i'm going to start with that solo stuff and then move into naganokata because i think uh it really connects really well okay okay sounds good so being able to make the shapes of the technique is important right and when you're actually fighting someone do the punches look like a chambered punch in a kata no it doesn't i see right same argument for nage no kata a lot

of these techniques that you see like ipon senage nage no kata it really ever looks like that no one attacks you like this straight over the time right right and it never looks that clean because a lot of the times you drop or you take this stance or you have different ways to finish right finishing mechanics are different right right so is there really a benefit for this, is the question. Yeah. Like the emphasis in the kata is that even the person who is receiving the throw or the technique has to actually go through with the receiving part. Like you have to kind of throw yourself over the other person.

The thing about it is people just look at the actual technique, right? Right. But there's a lot to be learned in kata there's so much embedded in there like for the uke how to take a fall right how to understand how to embrace the break fall right so when you're learning the kata you learn how to relax your body take the break fall embrace it not only to the right side but to the left side right right right both equally and understanding the concepts and mechanics of kazushi right off balance so then what why have kata when we do uchikomis or nagekomis yeah like what what's the difference there what the what the what does kata offer that's different from yeah kata is very structured right right it's like if you look at the nagano kata offer that's different from uchikomi? Kata is very structured.

Kata is like, if you look at the nagano kata, first you have the hand techniques. Then you have this set of techniques. Then you have that technique. It follows a structured progression. Everything is choreographed from A to Z. You just follow through it. And of course, you could pick the first one. You could pick the sixth one.

You could pick to do uchimata. You could pick to do the foot sweep. But uchikomi is a little bit more improvisational. You could go in there and say i'm working on tayo i'm gonna do tayo i don't do ipon senagi so not to ipon senagi for uchikomi right during uchikomi time you could do combinations right you could ask your partner to say hey can you stand lefty and do a misdirection taniyatoshi you could drill these things nagakomi also so right right so again that it's different in that sense so there's it's like a gradient of improvisationality i guess like kata on the one end uchikomi and then randori on the other end and maybe competition on the extreme end yep and of course you could

argue like okay these are the techniques these are what it should look like and then you could sort of put your own interpretation right right on the kata as well right for instance like a musician right musicians can do that you know they think a very complex piece of work read it and be like okay i'm gonna hold this for that or right i'm gonna that's an interesting point yeah yeah there's levels where you can sort of improvise but it's very limited within the confines of the rules right you can't hold a quarter note for too's very limited within the confines of the rules, right? You can't hold a quarter note for too long or too short if it says hold it for this long, right? It'll change the piece.

Yeah, it'll change the piece. But within the rules of that, you can still sort of be a little bit flexible. Oh, that's a very... Yeah, there is a lot to kata. Right. But the problem is people criticize it in the wrong way because they're not asking the right questions if you're asking the question hey is kata gonna help me be a better grappler and throw someone on their head the answer to that not that much right right will

it help more than you sitting on the couch and watching tv and cheetos yes it will will it help more than doing some other martial art that has nothing to do with grappling yes it will right but like to what extent right i guess that's more out of the practice if you do jikomi in a mindful way if you do deliberate training if you have good instruction you do hard nagakomi hard randori right or maybe even soft randori right based on where you are in the training cycle right and do a little bit of kata right so i guess a lot of you're saying a lot of the criticisms are misdirected in a way yeah it's misdirected yeah they don't really it's like how can anything choreographed be useful right like drilling is choreographed right it's just kind of a form of kata right it just doesn't have that

right the structure yeah and nagino kata it sounds like kata but then when people hear that word kata right it just doesn't have that right the structure yeah and naginokata it sounds like kata but then when people hear that word kata right it's actually kata yeah they associate it with you know kids doing upper blocks and middle punches and stuff right you know and it's a great teaching tool because first of all it's safe kids don't get hurt doing it right no one ever gets hurt doing kata right right i think i think in judo maybe because it's two-person thing if you're not it can be practice yeah and i know schools that teach kata right off the bat right i know in my school we teach it as a means to get the black belt i see right so you spent an intense maybe a one-month period where you're doing it every day, just a little bit.

At the end of practice, doing it 10 minutes. At the end of practice, doing it 10 minutes. And then doing the kata for the black belt test, which is not done by me, but by the Hudson Judo Organization. Right, right. You know this. Yeah, yeah. I went through that. So, like, I do a one-month intensive sort of a thing.

Like, oh, you qualified. You earned your points. You competed. You won. You know, you earned the right to get your black belt and you know in our dojo we don't just give out black belts we do it through the hudson judo organization right right right and then so it's like they require kata it's okay now let me teach you kata right so there's so kata you know it's also serves as a tool to kind of

maybe prove that you know the basic stuff i guess yeah yeah you know you just got to memorize it and do it right yeah you know and uh you could teach just the white belts too white belts yellow belts and some people do right and sometimes i'll teach a couple pieces of it just to make you know break things up right especially like oh man everyone in the room is beat up and exhausted let me teach you let me give 10 minutes to this thing i see first three right yeah you had me like demonstrate when people are like yeah tired and um also another interesting thing is you know even though this you've described katas as a like a training uh method training method yeah people do compete in those like there are kata competitions and i think that's where the improvisationality kind of comes in like the different interpretations yeah you know there

are a lot of videos i know like you know ekose did it with his brother and then he had a different flavor from like the standard korokan stuff that they have on youtube so what do you think about the competition kata competition you know it's great i think there needs to be a component i've been talking about this forever right uh that there needs to be some more collaborative thing like you take a takundo competition right you get like 3 000 kids in there right and then every kid goes home with a medal like they're not all sparring that's a very very small percentage of people who are actually sparring right judo needs that too because a kid joins the dojo and they're like hey i like judo now i'm gonna do it twice a week they go to

the tournament they get smashed they quit right they need an avenue before that right they need that progressive step for me at the dojo we don't even let the kids do randori like full throttle if they're below a certain age i hold both of their collars yeah no one gets ever smashed if they run into each other like i pull them apart right one kid is about to slam the other kid of soto i could catch him on the way down you know and people argue like oh you're not really you know kids need to get slammed or like kids need to do this or they're not really learning how to break fall i disagree because they feel safe with me spotting them there they're likely to go for more risks like osoto gary right more osotos if you're scared of getting counted osoto you're not gonna go for it as a kid right you know and then the parents

are over there the sensei's walking around when i'm holding the kids up i'm like right there right i'm like right there holding these kids and this kid gets bombed or soto i catch him he doesn't get hurt he gets right back i was like oh hey you go for soto now you try to counter right and there's no fear because he's no he's not gonna get hurt it's like there's that yeah there's that intermediary step right and now of course they're a little bit older they're a little bit better now they're doing randori kids slamming each other throwing each other but they've been doing it for four years they could land safely they're good right i put them in a tournament i have no clue what to expect you get a russian kid that's doing judo six times a week dad comes home and he's like son put on your gi right and

that that kid's gonna be tough that kid's always almost always gonna beat the twice a week kid right right it's just like trained versus untrained right not trained but it's like a spectrum right it so there needs to be an intermediary step because you might go into your first competition see that kid and get bombed never come back to judo again so there needs to be a competitive area where you can do some sort of cooperative thing. Right. And I think kata kind of fits into that. But it doesn't have to be the naganokata. This is a thing.

It can be like, show me five techniques. Go. And yes, it's subjective. Yes, it's not full throttle randori. And people are going to argue like, no, if you can't do randori in a competition you don't belong in the sport i completely disagree with that yeah it's not for everyone you know no it's not for everyone and even for the kids that might have stuck it through if they didn't have that experience who would have been good who would have been champions who would have been senseis who would have taught a lot of judo in the future who would have loved it who would

change their life that one time that they get bombed on their head they quit you never know what these things right you get put up against a kid that's three years older 40 pounds heavier that happens at these tournaments right oh you know there's no one who's a beginner are you willing to put your kid into a division with green belts oh man my son's a white belt though yeah yeah but the other kid's not that good and the coach comes over and he's like ah my green's a white belt, though. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but the other kid's not that good. And the coach comes over and he's like, ah, my green belt, he's not really a green belt. You know, he's only been doing it for a year. It's all nonsense, right? Right, right.

All of it is nonsense. And that kid who already loves judo, he's there, right? And he's not like the other kid who's being forced to do judo by the dad, right? You're going to lose that kid. Because it's trauma it's traumatized trauma it's not right it's wrong you know what i mean i'm a very big believer in this and this is it i'm a product of that too you're you're that japanese k who did six times a week right no not even but still it was just like i know those traumas you know what i mean

oh you've got championships yeah you'll be on the other side too it's like eight to ten year old division you know 11 to 12 10 to 12 or something like that you know it's like 7 to 9 10 to 12 i'm like nine years old eight years old i fight in my division but that's like hey man you're gonna fight in the next division up the age bracket above i was already a chubby kid so you're not fighting like other kids that are a little bit older your size i'm fighting unlimited because i was always a chump for kid right so i'm like wait a minute i'm eight years old nine years old i'm fighting 11 12 year olds that are 40 pounds heavier than me right like how you know what i mean and it's like i survived it

yeah i mean a lot of that is luck too right i mean you could have broken a leg all the people i teach judo to now would have never learned judo yeah and you know at that getting like a programming degree at that age like the difference the physical difference between nine- olds and 12 year olds are just too big so there needs to be an avenue for that and the answer is not oh let's standardize Judo into a Kata situation

no let's just make all the kids compete in Naganakata no somewhere in between some kind of choreographed movement i you know that reminded me of is kata that reminds me of uh this thing when i was taking taekwondo in korea as a kid you know my dojo did this like little in inter intra dojo competition where kids

form a group and then they make up their own karas yeah i like that and then kids loved it because there's some creativity involved yeah yeah just wrote memorizing movements and doing them over and over it's not fun for anybody most people but it is fun for people who want to be in judo or karate or whatever martial art and then saying that they're doing it and not having the risk of getting their head kicked off or right you know taken down dragged to the floor and choked right so it's like oh i'm doing martial arts right but they always stress like there needs to be a combative element there needs to be a non-cooperative drill right where

two people have conflicting goals there needs to be that and then the avenue to sort of get there is the choreographed movements is uchikami is drilling is all these things but if you spend too much time doing that right it's like you're kind of ignoring the other side yeah yeah so it's got to be sort of a balance of both right that's always the thing and i've always hated it when like you go in expecting to throw down and then it's like all right we're gonna do kata today for 40 minutes and you're like jesus yeah it's not fun i mean like i've been in rooms like that not my dojo but like other places even my dojo too sometimes like back in the day like you know you have four people learning the thing it's like all right

we're all gonna do it and you're like oh my god you know it's like kind of like yeah right but you know there's a lot of history to naginokata too right there's a lot of layers to this stuff yeah everything is three movements and the deeper you go into the kata there's improving position while you're moving right people don't see that it's like one two throw on three it's simple it's done right right yes but not really one 50 50 kataguruma let's look at it right right two inside control right three off balance make the shape of the throw finishing mechanics right right keeping your balance because it just emphasizes each step like very in a distinct step it like it tells you these very distinct yeah yeah these are what's supposed to happen yeah so having said that okay so you're your big proponent of the this kata as a competition tool even not just

as not huge it can be and you know people make this argument like oh we're gonna water it down and now judo is gonna be 95 percent kata no one's gonna be doing i'm not advocating for that right right there needs to be a white belt division yeah where they show their best osoto they show their best tile they do some sort of choreographed movement get a medal and go home right what percentage of your dojo competes i always ask the citizens i'm kind of like you know a crazy person when it comes to this and i'm ranting about this at these judo meetings and judo tournaments yeah and a lot of the other senseis are like ah man you know you know we've done it for a long time like i competed you

competed you know you can't do it you know hard right it's like and i'm like listen man think about how what percentage of your dojo competes right usually the answer is 10 5 never more yeah i always say 10 is even high even high yeah and now all of a sudden you created this hierarchy first class citizen second class citizen people who compete people who don't compete so now all of a sudden, you created this hierarchy, first class citizen, second class citizen, people who compete, people who don't compete. So now all of a sudden, you're obligated to go through this thing. Right. You know what I mean? And then a lot of times you bring 10 kids to a tournament.

How many of them quit immediately after that? Right. Make it a good experience. Let them have a choreographed piece. You know what I mean? Now all of a sudden, you could take 100% percent of your students right uh not all of them but like now all of a sudden there's a place for a white belt to do some sort of competition right there's a place for your yellow belt to do some sort of competition there's a kid who's too shy to do randori like there's a place for that kid to

compete overcome and then tell people that he does judo and i got a medal i mean yeah just going to the to a competition is uh dude if you can do this and structure that and if you have 50 of your judo and i got a medal i mean yeah just going to the to a competition is uh dude if you can do this and structure that and if you have 50 of your judo dojo competing at these tournaments and retention goes higher because no one really gets injured right right now all of a sudden the organizations are making a lot more money but why okay so and then you clearly have said this too in these meetings so what what's the it but i have never seen it why why is it really not happening right now i mean no one wants to take that first step and then do the first tournament where there's like a white belt division show your best three throws you

know no one wants to do that because then you know they're you know a little bit like oh man everyone's gonna kind of like look at me funny and make fun of me and all the stuff and you know a little bit like oh man everyone's gonna kind of like look at me funny and make fun of me and all the stuff and you know tournament directors don't want to do that they don't want to take that risk right you know what i mean and it is a very closed circuit of people that who have been doing things a certain way right right even when i advocate for like you should hold two kids by the collar and let them do andori there people like oh that's dumb it causes soft kids weak kids you know i have people even criticizing me for pulling out crash mats to do throws ah you should just do nagakomi on the tatami the tatami floor is already padding on the mat and like this let me tell you it still sucks

yeah it still hurts yeah it's like you know there needs to be a better way right there is a better way you know and i advocate for it but i think a lot more people need to be on board with this in order for it to sort of catch on right i so if you're listening to this podcast here's dojo owner yeah yeah maybe there you'll you'll start a movement yeah maybe who knows you know i i've always advocated too it's like from the coach's standpoint what incentivizes me to bring these kids to the tournament very little right right i'm gonna round up 10 kids right and ask their families to burn an entire saturday right half of them will probably get hurt or quit yeah you know like what is the merits there so one or two kids on my squad can feel really good about themselves so now there's a hierarchy within the dojo of first class to say

like what is the what is the draw i don't understand it i don't want to kill saturday right you know so i always have to say like hey man why don't you you know do we really need an entire mat area the same for an adult same for a five-year-old a five-year-old is a fourth of the side of size of a 200-pound man. Do they really need the same competition space? Do it like they do in France. Do it like they do in Japan.

You could have 15 mats going on for a kids' tournament, be in and out in two hours. Right. Right? I could go to the tournament, take 20 kids. Mm-hmm. Right? 20 mats going out once, like little mat areas.

They're five, six, eight, nine, 11 years old or something, right? Just do a junior tournament in and out by noon. I could go home, have lunch with my kid, take it to the park, go get a cup of coffee, go see a movie and have dinner with Mike. Like I could do that. So I will go to that every weekend and I would do that every weekend. All right. We're not having class Saturday morning. We're just going to do this thing. We're going to be out by noon. I guarantee it. Parents love it. not having class saturday morning we're just gonna do this thing we're gonna be out by noon i guarantee it parents love it oh that's great we're just gonna go it's the same thing as a saturday morning soccer program right oh my kid has a soccer game at 8 a.m we go we get pizza it's gonna be a great day oh my kid has a judo tournament

we're gonna be there all day all day my kid might get hurt like you know people screaming their heads off right like i don't know what kind of kid he's going to draw. Everything about it is bad. The experience is bad. Period. I don't like it. Nobody likes it. Who likes that?

Actually, that's another thing. I don't like it. The biggest reason I haven't brought my wife to a judo tournament is because it's going to burn the whole day. Burn the whole day. And if you bring Kata into this kids tournament or even a novice tournament, you can even do more parallel demonstrations and then just. Think about it. Okay. Think about this.

Right. You have two kids right showing their favorite three moves five moves whatever right how much space does that take and how much how much time does it take not a lot not a lot and you know what you know what how many of those can go on at the same time? 30? 40? You can pack a lot. You can pack it in an entire gym. Right.

You know what I mean? That's all. Have a black belt sit there and judge it. You can't judge your own kid. Done. Yeah. Boom. Six.

Boom. Seven. Boom. Zero. Whatever. Right? Hey, great job. You know, like Johnny like johnny you know metal you get 40 kids on at the same time i'll volunteer for that dude each unit is done in a matter of minutes

how many can you get in there in one hour i wonder if i can like maybe i push for this in michigan now that i'm here i don't know i don't know you know i've pushed for it everywhere i've pushed for it everywhere everyone who's would listen i'm saying it blue in the face right you know people just yeah yeah whatever you know what i mean so kata is not just a teaching tool not just a you know competition tool but it's also a tool to that could help popularize judo judo even more yeah man dude like if you look at the gokyo right right i have to look up gokyo okay i don't remember it either let's see gokyo judo throws right gokyo judo throws i should probably know this right but i just don't want to misspeak and be like yeah first kyo tayo and people are like what what yeah all right gokyo

five sets of throws it's structured it's already been done right first group first one i don't know five different sets first set deashi he's a gruma sasai uki goshi osorogari ogoshi ochigari senagi so that's uh you can have a competition just for that show me the first set yeah okay deashi he's a gruma sasai uki goshi boom all right good job who's getting hurt there nobody right so is there a place for that? Yes, there is. There has to be, man. There has to be an intermediary step between throwing down in the dojo,

throwing them into the wolf den, and then letting these guys just be fighting over a piece of meat like in the wild. It has to be an intermediary step. It gets pretty crazy over there. Yeah, intermediary step. And I think that's where the merits of kata is. You know, like it is kata, right? Right.

Gokyo. One, two, three, four, five. Five sets of throws. Right. Right. Oh, let me just teach the second one. Third set. Fourth set.

Fifth set. You know? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight techniques in each. I have to like look it five that's 40 40 that's a lot yeah yeah i mean no one's gonna do the whole thing right i'm not saying i'm not advocating for a long kata and i'm not even advocating for naginokata doing the whole thing right you know because it takes a lot of not gonna kind of takes a lot of time you have to think about scaling in mind when you're running these things right you know what i mean but there's definitely a place for kata you think i'm a believer of it yeah i'm not in a

way i have to be clear not in a way where you're dedicating 30 minutes every practice doing right right i think that's a waste of time right you know but if you have an older dojo right everyone in the dojo a little bit older they're 45 a lot of them have knee injuries back injuries and then they want to focus on kata god bless you you should focus on kata right right so i'm not criticizing any dojos out there that are doing a lot more kata than not and it depends by age of instructor too. I'm 36 right now and I could roll and, you know, throw down with my students. And it's very, it's a, you know, people are my age in the dojo. Right, right.

You know what I mean? But as I get older, maybe I'm 60, I have two hip replacements or something like that. And am I able to do the things that I'm doing now? No. Then maybe I'll just teach kata forever. You know what I mean? Who knows, right? You never know. So you can't really criticize. But you have to look teach kata forever. You know what I mean? Who knows, right? You never know.

So you can't really criticize. But you have to look at the whole picture. Right. Did your father go through that transition? Yeah, little by little. The older he got, the less risk averse you get. Because getting sued is a real thing in judo. And the more stress you carry on.

How many disastrous leg injuries can you see right you know over the course of 30 years of teaching taniyatoshi oh gosh until you're like man i don't want to i don't want to do this anymore yeah you know sometimes you know people break a leg and it ruins their life you know they can't overcome it they can't come back from it they put a metal rod in the leg and now they just can't overcome it. They can't come back from it. They put a metal rod in the leg and now they just can't function. Some people get a little bit of a tweak of the knee. Just a little tweak. You know what I mean? Now they're like, oh man, my knee hurts forever.

I'm injured forever. Oh my God. Some people have that mindset. Right, right. You know what I mean? So it's like you get better and better at talking to those people, not filtering them out, but making sure that they have a place in the dojo too.

It's such a combat-heavy sport, and if you get people who are not designed for that, you're going to have people that are getting banged up. Do kata, man. Do kata. That's fine. You don't have to feel like a second-class citizen because they don't do randoi, they don't do don't do competitions that's okay right you know i think you should have a whole

full spectrum of this stuff right everyone should be able to enjoy judo should be yeah you know but that's just not how it is right that's not how it's structured so yeah it's it's one of those things man kata gets a lot of criticism a lot of heat from the the schools that have the martial arts especially that have right but if you look at it in a way like boxing even what the hell is karate kata anyway it's like when you're shadow boxing it is like kata right you know all the boxing workout classes they're massively popular man yeah like i used to go to mendez boxing in the city uh you know like the boxing workout classes they're massively popular man yeah like i used to go to mendez boxing in the city uh you know like what percentage of people actually spar in the gym

you know i remember i asked like one of the people in there and they're like probably like you know five percent of the people spar it's like wait a minute 95 of the people come in just do jumping jacks just do shadow boxing to hit the pads like that's most gyms that do striking right because you can't have everybody who's like oh man i want to get in shape like okay i work in an office like i'm gonna go in and get punched in the face like walk into meetings with a black guy it just doesn't fare well in a white collar world right especially if you're in new york city or something yeah you know maybe if you're a cop like okay fine right but if you're like working in an office environment coming with a black eye or like hey you're expected to be on your mental game coming in a little bit like cloudy because you're punch drunk like that's not okay

not okay yeah the more people who are exposed to that the more people are going to get injured and the more likely you'll get sued right so when you're doing, you know, 90% of the room, 95% of the people who are part of a striking gym and they're like shadow boxing, moving around, like how is that different from doing kata? If you're not actually sparring. Right. You are doing kata, right? In some sort of way.

You know, people just have this specific thing of kata, like kids doing these blocks and punches and going like this. Kaya! Doing that. I mean, like like that you know like is what people think when you think of kata right you can there's so much more there right it's shape it's movement nagano kata we got to go do another one just separate to nagano kata i know we plan to do a nagano kata episode but there's a lot of part one yeah we'll do another one yeah so yeah you

can make it more fun too like i don't you know i've gone to those boxing classes and yeah it's fun like the trainer goes around and like pumps you up and you're like punching and yeah the kata can be fun too man like i was doing an equinox cardio boxing class and the woman who was teaching it was like a boxer right so obviously no one in the room really boxes right right everyone says they box there's like 40 people in there but i'm like hitting the bag with another lady right right and then so the lady sees it and she's like oh man and then she like comes over and then like has the little headset on the music is pumping and i'm punching the thing and she's like yeah yeah you know like she's like pumping me up giving me high

fives and she like walks up to me and she's like come back come back you know like she's like pumping me up giving me high fives and she like walks up to me and she's like come back come back you know like talking and i'm like yeah it feels good got to sweat in everyone's like you're so good you know it felt good right maybe you should have a separate kata class like cardio judo class man maybe man i mean and you know what all the randori heavy hardcore judo instructors out there are gonna be like oh that's trash but it's like what do you guys know that's that's i shouldn't say that no but maybe right maybe there's a place for that you know and it felt good i didn't get punched in the face no one got hurt more people do judo and more people do judo the better for this our sport period right i think boxing probably went

through this discussion too they i mean they they probably, you know, in the early days, boxing was more of a, you know, the competition sport, martial sport. But then they had to change. Look at kickboxing. Yeah, exactly. I used to think kickboxing, Netherlands, people taking each other's heads off with big, massive kicks and k1 i used to think now when i hear kickboxing i see you know my ex-girlfriend with the pink gloves like hitting the thing telling me like she went to a kickboxing class and she wants to fight me you know like have you ever sparred no you know like what are you talking about you know and then they all always you know i

whenever someone tells me i hold uh hold my hand up and then let them punch and then they all always you know i whenever someone tells me i hold uh hold my hand up and then let them punch and then they feel good they're like oh and i'll say oh wow so strong yeah you can punch you can kick it's definitely a place for kata yeah cool definitely a place oh you want to plug your uh mother-in-law's hat situation well uh yeah so my mother-in-law uh this is kind of off topic but she uh and my sister-in-law started making these flowery hats bucket hats they're really in right now um bucket hats are in man yeah very in um i've seen him my uh in person and they look fantastic and yeah they have a shop on etsy uh jaco studio i believe jko studios yeah yeah we'll link it in the thing yeah hopefully she'll get some support yeah i bought one i bought a blue tulip hat oh nice nice and then peter told

me they don't even make them for men they have a they're the men's like more uh you know tame colors are coming too. Yep. That's right. You're gonna, so if you have a wives, girlfriends, a woman in your life that love, I'm going to be rocking my blue tulip hat. Yeah. That's rocking. And then, you know, Those look good, man. You know, so well, thanks for giving me the opportunity to plug it. Yeah. There's not a sponsored thing either. We're just doing it because you know out of love yeah peter's spamming his buddies hey guys mother-in-law making hats now

for you know all right i'll buy one about a must have for a hot boy summer that's coming hot boy summer yep yeah and then the solid colors are coming too right peter that's right and very exciting times yeah all right waltz i think uh there's a good overview of what kata is what the purpose is um anything else to add before we close i think we're gonna do a little bit more of an extensive nagano kata one right right stay tuned for that popular yeah maybe we'll have a little like video rolling that was was one of your ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, people ask about that all the time. Yeah.

We'll do that. Yeah. So thank you very much everyone for listening. Thank you, Peter. Thank you. Check us out on social media. Yeah.

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