The Shintaro Higashi Show - No-Gi Judo Seminar Debrief

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

No-Gi Judo has become exponentially more popular over the past year, and its evolution into its own discipline has been accelerating. In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss Shintaro's recent seminars focusing on No-Gi Judo and how they've been received by grapplers. What’s the difference between The conversation highlights the differences between No-Gi Judo and wrestling? What are the challenges of transitioning for those with a purely judo background? What are the proper training methods for No-Gi Judo? Join our Discord server and start chatting with us and other grapplers by supporting us on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Any amount helps! 10% off Judotv.com with promo code: SHINTARO Buy one get one free www.clnwash.com with promo code: SHINTARO2024

Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show with Peter Yu. We have a very, very interesting topic that everybody's been asking for, essentially. Nogi Judo. Yeah, and we actually did this episode earlier on, I can't remember, it's like a year ago. It was a while ago. We were ahead of the time, actually. Back then, we were like, oh, there's something blossoming, like, we don't know where it's gonna go.

Yeah. Yeah, so Nogi Judo, now it's a thing. You just hadgi judo now it's a thing you just had a seminar thing i did a seminar it was strictly nogi judo i have another seminar coming up right at brazen martial arts in new jersey it's also nogi judo people are just specifically asking me for nogi judo yeah which is crazy to me because i you know they're not even asking you to do like a wrestling seminar it's just no nogi judo and you know what my understanding of nogi judo has evolved in the past year like immensely yeah i'm a guy that wrestled not just like regular collegiate but i did freestyle tournaments i messed with greco for a little bit like just

for messing around yeah not at a high level yeah but that experience collegiate style you did it at a high level right yeah i mean what's high level you know all state high school and college yeah that's 200 career wins that's pretty high level yeah yeah yeah yeah and so and you said it's very different from wrestling it's uh you know and it is so let's kind of give everyone some background why did nogi judo become popular like why is an mma play why aren't mma players just doing wrestling so i think uh there's a big difference between freestyle wrestling collegiate wrestling right and then you get rewarded for certain things and the point structure international wrestling versus like scholastic high school and college wrestling in the united states and majority of

it you have to take into context that it's happening here in the united states yeah the perspective is most people who are listening and getting into this stuff the primary bulk of our audience is in the united states doing judo jujitsu yeah maybe they have a high school wrestling background yeah so what those guys are watching yeah is mma right adcc these who's number one super fights yeah not that many are watching straight-up judo TV or just IJF International. Overseas, yes, that's the biggest population. But the most visible sports right now, MMA. MMA and maybe submission grappling.

Submission grappling, etc., etc. And the elements of judo, like haragoshi, uchimata, things like that, it is mostly sort of a newer thing. It's not new in international wrestling, freestyle wrestling or Greco. Yeah, they do a lot of Judo style, Nogi Judo style throws. Yeah, because they get five points, three points, whatever, you know. Yes, and Judo doesn't have a Nogi portion. Yeah.

Right? And now let's just say collegiate wrestling is mostly takedowns hinged at the waist no one takes that stance in mma because you get kicked in the face punch in the face yeah right even in like submission wrestling if you take too deep of a slot like a squat position yeah yeah right so leg grabs like double legs single legs high c they're not that used they're useful don't get me wrong yeah and in greco roman you can't you can't shoot you can't touch the leg so they're all upright so there's a lot exactly and then freestyle you tend not to you can get you can throw people for

more points instead of just like two point takedown so people tend to be more upright yeah yeah and then you know people criticize oh judo you're not really controlling on the way down all the way down etc etc freestyle even more so yeah they don't they don't they can just dump you they don't they just dump you you don't even have to cover you can even just completely disengage as long as there's back exposure it's fine yeah you know and like this new kid did a video oh why judo sucks i Let's not even mention his name. Yeah. Let's not even mention

Dignify and give him views. I didn't even watch it, but just looking at it from the title, I was like, I know that this guy had never done Judo. Never done Judo.

And I almost didn't want to like watch it just not to even give him a view. Right? Because he looked like a kid. I didn't. Like an inexperienced kid. Where are his accolades?

Who is he? You know, and he's kind of rage baiting everybody yeah you know and i'm like listening and of course it's annoying the shit out of me because like what does this kid know yeah yeah uh but he does have some good points in there but the same criticism could go for freestyle wrestling freestyle wrestling yeah i mean you i don't know if you guys have where's the continuity to the ground you know where is the control aspect that wrestling has? It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Collegiate wrestling has, which is very visible to him in the United States and the South. But international freestyle wrestling doesn't have those things.

Where's the criticism for that? Yeah. You know what I mean? So all these different arts have gaps. Yeah, yeah. Greco is the most upright out of all of them. Right. have gaps yeah yeah greco is the most upright out of all of them right and chel sonen said oh greco is so much more successful in mma because no one takes a crouch stance in mma everyone's upright

completely yeah because they have to protect from strikes yeah so that's why when they they're striking at a long range medium range they're infighting they lock up and now it's sort of a greco position yeah yeah but greco doesn't have leg entanglements like ochi kochi inside trips outside trips you can't entangle their legs right right freestyle a lot of the throws are there but there's no control aspect yeah see and they're lacking a little bit in the throws most american freestyle wrestlers shooting on the leg yeah they just kind of they just kind of play like a like collegiate wrestling right yes and then the goal is for back exposure yeah judo you're planting someone on the ground and yes judo doesn't have an og sport side but if it did it really

really would be a great tool for mma fighters yeah yeah i mean yeah and it's really really good if they had that for submission wrestling yeah and then because they also take a much more upright posture yeah and i remember when i was going to the bjj gym a lot um they this gym focused a lot on submission grappling nogi stuff and then it was kind of funny they were at one point like a year or two ago everyone's trying to do everyone's trying to dash everyone everybody and i was like this is so odd like where are they getting these ideas from and then you know i don't want to you know be so critical but you know they're i don't know how where they learned it but it wasn't the greatest Dai-Ashi form but you know what I mean and then

later now after that they try to do Harai-Goshi with the wizard and then yeah

it was just really fascinating to me yeah so fascinating yeah they're trying to implement these

fragmented techniques from Judo and apply it to grappling right there's no Gi but there's a lot of missing context yeah you get to that position and then it's not a direct transfer because like if you're doing judo it's arm's length away right right right all the throws can't be done from arm's length so i see guys teaching it like oh here's a kala tai here's a wrist it's kind of like having a kala on the sleeve i turn and go for taiyo that shit will never work right one thousand percent at all i can't personally attest to that

because that's what i try to do and i slip out and it just yeah can't really so it's like forcing that underhook position yeah right but what is an underhook with control mean yeah there's a difference between having a good overhook versus having a good underhook. Those two things are, it's a zero-sum game. Right, right. So gaming for that and freestyle's okay at it. Greco is the best at it. Oh, yeah. You see what I mean? They are amazing.

Because it's all upper body. Yeah. But it seems like it's all upper body, but it's body positioning, angling, hip. You know, you're levering your thigh into the other person's thigh. You're driving into the person

in a very upright posture. So if you could take those elements from greco and then apply the elements from judo together now you have a whole new thing and that's what nogi judo is i see and i taught this yeah at diamond heart striking and grappling in brooklyn yeah everyone probably saw the reels and then like the highlights yeah loved it yeah loved it it was an immense success and that gym was gorgeous yeah i could see it yeah so we just covered what what how nogi judo became a popular idea and how our view on it has evolved definitely over the year and so now let's get into the details of how you're approaching it now so just give us a quick overview of the seminar like what did you

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please tag me on Instagram and I will 1000% reshare it. All right. Yeah. Nogi Judo though. Nogi Judo. Yeah. So, yeah, what happened in the seminar?

What were you focusing on? So, setting up those ties, right? Yeah. Initially, before contact, fainting the shots level changing out of range because people just kind of walk into range and they go kala tie yeah you know and even the wrestling that's being taught for jujitsu a lot of it is antiquated yeah oh and if you look at in what way like even in the from the wrestling point of view or i think so and a lot of this stuff is not differentiated properly for the the jiu-jitsu community i see you know for instance like i see like oh you go like this you

tie up like that you do the elbow pass and you go for the sweep single blah blah blah and guys are drilling some of this wrestling stuff all the time all the time all the time but what's probably more useful is like when do they get in on these legs a lot of the times from a wrestle up position yeah so learning how to finish the single leg properly from a wrestle up position yeah is probably a lot of the time it's from a wrestle up position yeah so learning how to finish the single leg properly from a wrestle up position yeah is probably a lot more useful in drilling that kind of a thing uh you know what i mean i see all the time like two on one whatever it is guy posts you go like that you go like this but then it'll never lead to that sequence because the moment they're about to get blasted they're gonna sit down and pull guard majority of the time right no see what i mean yeah well it's it's like um you know in wrestling you don't want to lose two points so if

you get your leg picked up you'll try to stand but in bjj you would just sit down yeah i mean it depends on what rule system you're playing you know adcc first half of the thing you can't get all right with the takedown whatever it is. You know what I mean? I see. I see. So it really depends. Some people want to be on ball. Yeah, very nuanced. Yeah.

But like closing the distance without the risk of someone shooting in on your legs. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Things like that. How to put first hand on. People just immediately go for the head. How to get proper wrist control and work two-on-ones. Two-on-ones, arm drags. But not in not in the way we're just arm dragging going to the back yeah using that arm drag position to control that lead arm and then closing the distance with your chest and hips and

then trying to get upper body connection and then digging for underhooks yeah right and as you're doing this as they're retreating attacking the feet by using deashi things like this i see i see and then working from chest to chest or even position or working off of two on one to gain back position to be able to throw and use judo right and a lot of the times it's not going to be a big turn throw yeah i mean it yeah i can push that test to that and people like hey show me hurray whatever it is yes but you're not gonna just go for direct attacks yeah right you just can't because if you miss it you give up your back the risk too high and especially no gear like in gi you in judo you you can't get

away with it because you can you fail you can turn it up and kind of run out run the clock down yeah and you're locked in there yeah so there's a lot of slippage stuff yeah so how do you incrementally gain position to reduce slippage right to off balance properly and then enter and kazushi is different with judo you could push pull and then yank him forward and off bounce and rip something yeah yeah no you can't do that because you don't have the proper connection points. Yeah. Maximally gain leverage. Yeah. You know what I mean?

If I have a collar sleeve, I pull the head down. I can really pull the head down and I yank them forward and rip it. Yeah. They're flying. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because you can throw your whole body because you have a lot of space. Right.

But if you're closed off chest to chest with an underhook and a, you know, like a, like a elbow grip or something like this. Yeah. Your chest to chest. You can't just turn and turn and yeah you can't just do it yeah so it's like pushing as they're pulling back you're like levering that knee to the inside and just kazoo she him ever so slightly right and then as they're regaining position angling off and then going for something right you know but it's like how do you prevent slippage okay now you got a trap and then you got to lock your hands behind their body right and then having them understand like

this guy might be too big you can't wrap your arms around and maybe you can't do it yeah yeah you know and what does it mean to go two-on-one control an arm control a shoulder right control head and arm control upper body control the hips right and all these like nuanced positions how to get out of it things like that in order to maximize the judo throw that you've already seen on youtube on instagram like it's a whole new world that has truly not been explored yeah so how did the that's how so yeah so then so you showed all this during the seminar and how do people receive it like I feel like because there was a BJJ MMA school right

yeah did they have enough background knowledge to really like observe this or so in the beginning I would play

sort of like the ecological approach is like the new cool term to throw I've seen that around yeah and you know what

I kind of hate that it's an echo chamber one guy said it now everyone says it now it's like oh games and all this stuff but like a lot of pedagogically advanced people have been implementing these things long before yeah right even like all right let's go grip fighting you know don't resist to

you know don't tax your hand so much like just touch and go putting first hand on all these little things that we do in the room as drills. Yeah, yeah. So I started off with like, okay, guys, we're going to play a little bit of a warm-up thing where you're not letting the person hang on your head in wrestling. That's the only goal. Yeah. So the person's trying to go kala thai, pull the head down, that's it. But then you're just trying to slip the head down.

I say don't hinge by the waist, bend by the legs, make a U like you're ducking a punch. Yeah. When they control the head, grab the elbow, elbow past it, angle off and clear the arm. And this is it. That's it. That's one game.

And the second game, all right, we're gaining wrist control. Someone grabs your wrist, you're going to deny it and get your own wrist control, and you're just going to play. The thing is, the prompt for you're not competing with the person. You're trading wins. You're winning back and forth. Like you're doing a tennis rally. I'm not trying to beat you.

I'm not trying to mix you up and beat you. I'm not trying to score a point. You're trying to get it going together. It's like, hey man, I'm going to throw some balls over there so you can work your forehand. You can work your backhand. And then we're just going back and forth and rallying. It's a warm-up yeah and that's the analogy that i used and i walked around the room saying hey your intensity is too high bring down the intensity go really slow i don't know what the hell you're doing but can you please stop doing what you're doing just

do what we're doing right now and now all of a sudden you put those two games together right looking for risk control not let the person touch the head and now i have a general idea of what the room knows i see i see i see between that and then and the downside of nogi judo is like no one's wearing belts yeah i do a judo jujitsu seminar i know that guy's a brown ball that guy's a black belt purple ball yeah that guy's a shitty black belt yeah yeah you know just by that yeah and immediately the information's there yeah but this time i had to really like watch people doing the drills to kind of get an understanding of what they know yeah yeah and then after that i had a nice basis yeah right what they can do and then i went on about like close range positions and

now we're talking about a little bit more. We're talking about the close range stuff, fighting from there, trapping an arm, lifting, digging for double underhooks. Here are some tools. Here are some methods. I don't want to teach you a sequence and you do it. Go ahead and let's just work this out between your partner and your trading wins. This is a tennis rally. Yeah, yeah. Hey, why did you headbutt that guy?

Stop doing it. Hey, why are you going for that takedown? We're not doing tak this is a tennis rally. Yeah, yeah. Hey, why did you headbutt that guy? Stop doing that. Hey, why are you going for that takedown? We're not doing takedowns right now. Can you please stick to this drill? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now all of a sudden, 30 minutes into this thing, we didn't run around.

We didn't do push-ups. I didn't teach single technique. Yeah. Everyone in the room looks like they've been wrestling for freaking years. Yeah. No, seriously. Yeah. Nice.

No, seriously. It was amazing. And if you're in the tri-state area, I will do a seminar at your gym. Two hours, $3,000. Okay. All right. All right. Tri-state area.

New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. Yeah. I want to do that first because then I could just drive out there, do it. Yeah. And then just. And to be fair to Petereter i am kicking him a finder's because i don't take advantage of nobody i'm fair so yeah i get i got some kickback guys yeah you get a kickback yeah everyone gets a kickback everybody gets a kickback he's a he's

a sweet uncle yeah uncle higashi higashi brand higashi Brand. Higashi Brand. Yeah. Okay. So then, did you show them a move or two? Like a throw? Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah.

Of course. So after this, they get the feel. They get the basic movement. Yeah. Getting to the underhook. What is an underhook? Chest to chest position,

et cetera, et cetera. All right, what are some judo moves that you guys want to see? Foot sweeps with Shimada. Guaranteed the answer. And that was the answer that I sort of got. All right, let's show you some foot sweeps, okay? Okay. And now we could start from chest-to-chest.

And then we say we take this underhook, we circle. Deashi. Circle deashi. Very simple, right? How do we do a double from this position, you know? And I even said Justin Flores' name. Justin Flores does a double from this position you know and i said i even said justin flores's name justin flores does a double like this and then when he bumps his head traps the arm he switches to the dayashi to the trailing leg this is a justin flores special go check that out right he's one of the

first pioneers in the in nogi judo scene right i mean yeah he's a d1 all-american judo black belt bjj black belt yeah you know orange amazing he's great yeah you you have a similar background too D1 All-American, Judo Black Belt, BJJ Black Belt. Yeah. You know? Amazing. He's great. You have a similar background, too. I was not a D1 All-American. Oh, but you're a college wrestler. Yeah, wrestling, judo, jiu-jitsu. Yeah.

Yeah. But, you know, so we're doing that kind of thing now. And then it's like, okay, how do you set up Uchimata's from here? Yeah. Right? And then we're putting together foot sweeps and stuff like that and every now and then i'll bring it back to the beginning all right guys we're going to start off facing your opponent we're going to work for wrist control not letting the person hang the head we're going to fake a shot close the distance upper body we're

going to fight for dominant position from there we're going to go circle deashi and then we're going to try to work the the uchimata yeah okay one person goes the whole time for two minutes okay so now that person's not trying to do any sequence you know they're trying to do the thing if you fake a shot you know if you're good at faking shots you fake that if you're a guard puller you fake guard pulling and then try to you know from the two on one etc etc and then cater it to yourself make it your own and then people are doing it nice you know yeah and then so did you show uchimata too or just i did yeah oh yeah how do you how did i did how do you what's your nogi uchimata how do

you do it so i did it a little bit different back in the day yeah usually like off a single overhook and then bang yeah just like kind of rip it and it was a little bit forceful it's not as nuanced as like a backstep uchimata because you can't have that separation yeah yeah yeah you know so like uh the way i did it was like an underhook and a wrist yeah right or trying to get the body lock yeah yeah and once you get the body lock you pull them in and then you try to lever your leg against the inside leg kind of like a front uchimata it is a front uchimata oh i see or like a uki goshi yeah yeah you're bumping that hip yeah and then so it's like getting to that position first and then getting your hips close and then wedging that knee to the inside position right shifting the weight and then rotating him to the arm that's trapped and then finishing a uchimata from there right

because i think and i did that even that's one of the ones i did even with the gi i think that's a better way to teach it because it what people tend to do when they first learn uchimara they would just blast their leg and then like without really any of this uh yeah kuzushi so you end up hitting the other guy's uh balls and you know yeah so fun to watch yeah i've done that many a time and i always funny to see yeah i see so that's that's cool all right and then everyone was you know like that nice progression so everyone could even hit uchimata you know just after one class yeah and you know you watch the guys in the room right and you have like white belts and beginners who now all of a sudden look like they've been wrestling yeah and then you have black belts in there there were a couple of jiu-jitsu black yeah who you know wrestle as hobby yeah and now all of a sudden they look legit right

right to where by the end of the two-hour seminar i was watching these two guys one of them was my uke yeah and you know they're both training yeah you know black belt jiu-jitsu guys i was watching them i was like you know if i walked into a gym and saw these guys drilling like this i would legitimately be afraid of them i'll be like these guys are freaking good they know exactly what they're doing nothing is choreographed and everything's improvised yeah they just know the fundamentals know the positions you know they were like going chest to chest like pulling down the shoulder, faking society, going inside leg, locking their arms, trying to lever them over for Uchimata,

and then cutting back with the Ochi for the inside trip. I was like, wow, that was incredible. I'm not saying it's because I'm a great teacher. It's because they've been wrestling and grappling for 20 years also. And you're cleaning them up a little. Yeah, and then giving them the tools like hey man you guys should dedicate 10 minutes after classes just kind of do these drills yeah no one's getting bombed it's super low risk yeah you know low stakes low risk

yeah fun yeah just kind of like hugging and dancing essentially right right just fighting for position the way the russians train yeah you know majority of the time yeah right play fighting like you're wrestling with your brother or something right you know speaking of russia like you wrestling with your brother probably really hard on him i don't go hard i go i go just enough i don't know he does he not hurt his ankle last time you guys did ron dory he does get hurt yeah i don't know why he's he has a very flexible ankle yeah it's because you're an animal so speaking of russians i have a i have a personal question like or like question for myself i should say yeah you know i i've told i talked to you about these people the site of site of brothers yeah yeah yeah yeah you

know i that was like my dream nogi judo basically i if you guys don't know the site have i i better how do you spell the s-a-i-t-i let me just yeah yeah s-a-i-s-a-i-t-a site f brothers yeah adam site f so good so good s-a-i-t-i-e-v anyway these are freestyle wrestlers but then if you see them they are kind of doing no gi judo you know they do a lot of uchimara you know they're they were active in the early in the 90s basically in the early 2000s and what what do you so now you see them, like how the Russians wrestle. What's your opinion on their movement? It's a little different, right? It's not exactly what you would do in a submission grappling setting, right?

But similarities and differences? Yeah, I think a lot of these countries have a very cooperative thing between their native wrestling style and the different martial arts. For instance, Brazil. and differences yeah i think a lot of these countries have very cooperative thing between their native wrestling style yeah and the different martial arts for instance brazil yeah i trained in uh sojipe which is like a sport club in brazil yeah and uh i want to say port alegre yeah and i was blown away dude there was 100 guys on the mat 50 of them were judo guys 50 of them were brazilian jiu-jitsu guys. And they alternated standing ground, standing ground, standing ground. It was a true collaboration.

No one was like, oh, I'm a Judo guy. Oh, I'm a Jiu-Jitsu guy. Everyone was there training, and they just alternated standing ground, standing ground, standing ground. Judo guys would kick the shit out of the BJJ guys on their feet. And when they got to the ground, the Jiu-Jitsu guys would be submission, you know, like cranking stuff. And then it was like great. When was again porto alegre no no when was it i'm just trying 2011.

that's the early days like it wasn't early days bjj wasn't even that big in america yeah no yeah and then you go places like georgia tbilisiisi, Georgia, and they have their native wrestling style, Chido Oba, which is belt wrestling with the gi vest, right? So there's no sleeves. So it's like you're locked in there chest to chest, and you're doing judo, essentially. It's their native wrestling style. They grew up doing this in the mountains.

So now you have these local tournaments that are happening, and they're very, very good. And then these judo scouts go up the mountain and say, hey, now, you're coming to the capital now okay you come with me you're gonna be judo champion yeah you know Russia they have this place called Sambo 70. they have all these guys training judo wrestling Sambo all together I see yeah Sambo judo Sambo judo wrestling judo Sambo right and then Sambo is like their national sport it's a hybrid sport between judo wrestling judo sambo right and then sambo is like their national sport it's a hybrid sport between judo and wrestling yeah there you have the gi top and then the short shorts yeah you know

what i mean so awesome right right you know so sitef brothers probably had this influence i think in russia everyone like respects wrestling respects boxing judo and there's like that culture of like right sportiness right and so like it's just something that you do yeah you know even ballet is like oh yeah dude yeah it's like a masculine thing like this guy's a stud baryshkinov used to do these crazy high jumps like getting like was there 40 something inch verticals bolshoi or something right like yeah bolshoi ballet all these guys you know so there's really like a collaborative thing happening there yeah and the way they play yeah the sports where it's not like all the time like going heavy and hard yeah it kind of leads to them being able to experiment

yeah experiment so that they're always messing around they're playing and they have a specific style yeah because of the wrestling because of the freestyle because of the greco because of the samoa and now judo also is in the mix right yeah this type of this kind of a tangent but uh it's interesting to see that you would like the you would think that russian culture is more rigid than american culture but in grappling it's like kind of the opposite i think i rested in high school and you know uh what's his name uh the legendary american wrestler dan gable yeah you every boy and girl watches his video and then he goes like oh it's so intense man i actually got scared watching that for me yeah i let me tell you i i it didn't it

did not motivate me i don't know if it motivated you but it it's so it's a very interesting contrast and if you guys don't know the saite brother definitely check it out so back to nogi judo and so did you after the throws did you brandori no oh i have not been doing randori at these seminars okay okay okay i think i'm beyond that now like i'm at a place where i'm old enough to say you know what no thanks okay i'm trying to come out kill you yeah yeah yeah and so i haven't done randori at a seminar in quite some time okay like but you had other people you know everyone randori and then you walk around like you no i didn't do it at all i did two hours maybe it was like two and a half hours just straight techniques straight drills okay okay and i always try to not

talk for more than five to seven minutes at a time at these seminars in the dojo it's three minutes right three to five minutes period three minute chunks chunks. You know how I segment my thing. Seminar's a little bit different. I'll talk for a little bit longer. Five to seven minute pieces, right? And then they're doing it for the same amount of time and I'm giving individual feedback. That structure probably works the best

in the way where people get the most out of it. That's a workout though. That's a lot of drilling and people must be sweating by the end of it. Yeah, but I'm always managing the intensity. If you're breathing too hard, if you're strenuous, it's like, why are you so sweaty?

I even said to one of them, why are you so sweaty? Stop working out so hard. It's not a workout. We're trying to develop skill. You don't have to go hard at all. Stop going hard. We're trying to learn movement

learn position we're trying to understand certain things there's no need for you to be holding on to dear life or anything right right because it's truly cooperative

this is not a combative situation we're trying to get better and learn skill right and then people are like okay I got it okay so now that was your seminar

and how you would approach teaching teaching at nogi judo nowadays so any any ideas on how let's uh how hobbyists should approach nogi judo like let's kind of start with judo people like would you i think it's extremely difficult for a guy who only has judo experience to teach nogi judo. Yeah. I really think it is. Not even just teaching. Like, I mean, that's a given. But, like, how would judo, just so you're a regular old hobbyist judoka, go about learning nogi judo? Honestly, have me in for a seminar.

All right. No, I'm not trying to be like that guy. Honestly, really just reducing the intensity and working on position yeah I see and then

working the individual techniques too like doing Nagakomi Inanogi setting and then seeing what works seeing what feels right giving each other feedback

but doing it in a safe environment really is right the ultimate method you know the path of learning this stuff

yeah so that you feel more you gain your confidence and you know yeah i guess that goes for bjj people too like but i guess they it's their environment is a little more conducive to no digital because submission grappling is so popular a lot of gyms yeah kind of don't even do gi nowadays. Yeah. And then you look at the arm drag, you know, like it can be looked at as a position. Yeah. Not a move.

People use it as a move. They just rip it and then they drive it by, go behind or like use it to like pick on a leg. You could go high arm drag, right? And you could catch it and then you could raise your elbow to frame across their chest so they can't go behind, right? And you could catch it and then you could raise your elbow to frame across their chest so they can't go behind, right? And you could close the distance between your chest and theirs and then put your belly onto the

wrist that you're holding, right? So now it's much harder for them to pummel their wrist out. You know? And that is truly a Greco thing. Everyone in Greco does it. You don't see it in freestyle. You don't see it in judo ah you don't see it in freestyle you don't see it in judo you don't see it in nogi jiu-jitsu you don't see it anywhere but greco why why is that because of the legs like you they can't shoot on the leg after getting turned like that i think maybe in freestyle

it may be right but like it's just more uncommon for them to be so upright there. Right, right, right, right. So it's like you're down here shooting, faking. Like why would you try to bring your upper body high to go for that position? Right, right, right. If you could get the arm drag, you're going to get it and then immediately try to scramble for a leg or go behind, you know? So Greco, you're much more postured properly to get to there, right? And then from that position when your chest to chest

stomach is holding the wrist and then wedging right so if you're holding their wrist with the palm of your hand facing your own yeah right the bottom of the wrist right and then the arm drag side is hugging the tricep yeah and then your belly to belly that wrist can't rotate out because it's wedged against your stomach and their stomach yeah yeah so you could stay there safely as long as you have the elbow high because they can't go behind you right and that's a great place to be because now you could rotate around the arm and attack a dayashi which you can't do in greco oh yeah yeah well like fake an arm throw and then try to tap Koji. You see what I mean? I see.

And then work out of there into like even more controlling positions to lock your hands or go for a cinch headlock and then going for big hip throws. Yeah. And someone asked a good question. Everyone's going for Koji Gruma, like trying to go for a headlock throw. Yeah. What do you think about that? Was a great question.

Yeah. You know? What's your answer to that? You're going to have to pay for a seminar to find out. That's a good question that can be answered. No, but seriously. I had to think about it for a moment because no one's ever explicitly asked that question. Yeah, yeah.

And yes, I was a headlocked guy in high school. I have over 125 wins in high school from throwing guys to their back with Koshi Guruma. Yeah. But it was like a specific setup that I did, two or three, and I would just rip it.

Yeah, just throw everything into it. Yeah. But it stopped working in college. Because once the guys would get like fundamental and base yeah one they wouldn't let you lock up with me yeah oh like i wrestled chris weidman oh hey you guys know chris yeah yeah in the quarters or something like the new york states he knew about you huh knew. He knew because we shared a close friend and we wrestled at the New York Athletic Cup.

Oh, okay, okay. Everyone knew I was a judo guy. And then Wyman was like, okay, I just won't lock up with him. Yeah. And then anytime I went to lock up, he would do a slide by. Yeah.

Slide by. I did not lock up with him once. And I was trying to force to lock up the whole time. But he just wouldn't let you? No. He just didn't let me. Take me down like on top, riding me me riding me turning me i was terrible on bottom

and then i just that was it it was like his easiest match of the day probably oh man because i was going in to throw him you know i was going to throw him and then i just couldn't lock up with him because he just knew better and he was wrestling freestyle and he was really experienced and yeah he was just a much better wrestler than me right right right at the time yeah right i mean in comparison like he graduated the year before me he was a state champ yeah in new york i took fourth in states the year after yeah right he already had experience wrestling at hofstra yeah yeah yeah you know and was he at hofstra at the time oh that's right he wrestled community college too nassau community college two years he's all american there i was wrestling at hunter college kind of messing around doing my own thing you know oh that's right he wrestled community college too Nassau community college two years he was All-American there

I was wrestling at Hunter College kind of messing around doing my own thing you know and then he was wrestling D1 at a pretty high level

at Hofstra and then it's like the wrestling skills was just not yeah yeah he had very good overall wrestling abilities right

I had this one thing that I was trying to force on most people I had a good high C and a throws yeah yeah and foot trips i see but i needed to be able to lock up on them you know right right yeah that's very interesting yeah so like all that stuff you know came flooding back because i haven't really thought about that

yeah with reason yeah there's no reason to think about like oh sometimes like oh yeah remember that one guy yeah the rest of that guy is awesome you know whatever but now you're like deeply analyzing it yeah deeply analyzing it yeah i mean i wrestled you know the national champ and ncaa champ wands and you know i took him down with a high c you know what i mean but then like when i went to throw him i had a really hard time because he just wouldn't lock up with me yeah and now it was like i was trying to force the kososhiguma position with the head. But, like, if I knew a little bit more about underhooks, if I did a little bit more of the Greco-Hank position and stuff,

you know, it would have been a different ballgame. You know, I wish I knew this stuff back in the day. You know, but I remember, right, I watched Iowa this season and I was like, this is the mentality for wrestling. So I'm playing like a heavy clubbing game. You know, I watched John Smith's low single single series so i'm trying to do low singles you know it just didn't really connect you know i was going down the rabbit hole of all these different wrestlers and i didn't understand how to put it all together to make it work for me because my low single attempts didn't really lead to upper body tie-ups and throws right right which is

yeah yes and this clubbing like where the guy down break the mentality from dan gable and iowa didn't really lead to upper body tie-ups and throws. Right, right. Which is your forte. Yes. And this clubbing, like wear the guy down, break the mentality from Dan Gable and Iowa style. Like I didn't have a gas tank to support that. Yeah, yeah. You know, so I was really, really lost in the sauce, you know, when I was wrestling in college.

You know, but now thinking back to it, it's like, oh man, like I wish, you know. But who could have put it all together for me you're only responsible for you you know you can't blame the coaches right right i'm sure if i was a little bit more introspective and if i talked to more people about it if i didn't drink as much i probably could have came up with some of these ideas a little bit earlier you know well now you are and then you're actually trying to help people discover that like i think that's a very good point uh point that everyone should remember it's not just about oh once i learn nogi judo i'm gonna go to adc and then beat everyone no it's uh yeah it has to fit into your game maybe nogi judo is not good for your game you know yeah knows yeah

if you're a Gumby guard player and you want to say I like like like for instance me out yeah they have no use of this stuff yeah no use zero use we're gonna go a lock up upper body but me I'm winning local do you know I was gonna say they compete that was the most unfair thing I've ever I know I was gonna say they they compete local that was the most unfair thing I've ever seen like this guy comes out like their hands are like oh meow he's wearing a yellow belt and then it's pretty funny the guy was like six months into judo or something like man I was like Jesus this is not fair yeah that That's funny. But it's a different sport. Yeah, Miao brothers may not, it's not going to fit theirs,

unless they change their whole style. Nogi Judo will probably fit me. I can't even shoot anymore because my knees are bad. So that was a problem I had when i i still try to go to my old high school to wrestle with them and that's a problem they now that they know me none of the kids lock up with me they'll just circle around and try to do a little singles and it's really frustrating it's frustrating yeah it's frustrating so i'll probably try to yeah think of how i can like watch some of your videos maybe maybe i'll

just go to your seminar sure yeah i'm gonna be in monroe yeah that's right he's coming to michigan yeah so you know uh is there a no gijuro seminar that one specifically no but i could do half and half yeah and i've been working on that a little bit. Like even at the dojo yesterday, hey guys, we're going to go collar grip, you know, tricep, two-on-one, looking for kataguma, looking for kosorogake, right? This is what it looks like with the gi. This is what it looks like with no-gi.

Just in case you're interested, because we might add a no-gi judo program in the dojo. Oh, hey, that's exciting. I did one class at my dojo, and it was well attended. Okay. And people loved it. Oh, hey, that's exciting. I did one class at my dojo, and it was well attended. Okay. And people loved it. Oh, dude.

Maybe they'll have one. The thing I don't like about Nogi, though, man, it's just so, I don't want to say disgusting, but the sweat gets everywhere. Everywhere, yeah. So if someone has a staph infection, everyone's going to get a staph infection. I remember, yeah, like at the the BJJ school I used to go to

after practice you would just slip you can't even walk and you know I remember when I was wrestling in college it's like one person had impetigo the freaking whole team had impetigo and they had to shut down the wrestling room and disinfect it for like

two weeks and they were like you guys cannot have or one week or whatever it was and then it was gross everyone had these like big red like lesions on their neck and stuff oh gosh and you know our girlfriends wouldn't want to be near us you know and i'm too i don't i'm too old to deal with that stuff when you're 22 years old yeah you're just like a grimy wrestler it doesn't you don't care yeah but i don't like a grimy wrestler, you don't care. But I don't want to deal with that now. You don't like a ringworm on my face. Yeah, and then you don't want to get your daughter all that stuff.

But the gi protects you for that. It's much more proper. There's no... Yeah. The gi, whether you're sweating or not sweating, it's the same freaking thing. Yeah. No gi is different. Hey, maybe I think I thought, it's kind of on a tangent,

but, you know, the rash guards, I thought they would be more absorbent. But they're not. They're polyester. Yeah, I'm like, that's crazy. Why don't we, we got to make it more absorbent. Like, I don't know. Can you come up with that, Higashi Brain? Absorbent's probably not good. I don't we we gotta make it more absorbent like i don't know can you come up with that higashi

brand absorbent probably not good i don't know man it's like it's good that it's moisture ricking it pushes the moisture out but then it goes everywhere that's a problem i don't i we need to come with a better we need to come with like a maybe like. What is TC blend? The TC blend is more polyester than cotton, right? Right. CVC blend is more cotton than polyester. See, I'm studying this stuff. Yeah. Higashi brand.

Oh, man. Yeah, maybe it should have more cotton so that it can absorb a little. Maybe, maybe. I mean, there's tri-blends out there, right? Cotton, polyester, spandex, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, there's tri-blends out there, right? Cotton, polyester, spandex, et cetera, et cetera. You know, you definitely don't want the moisture sitting in the fabric and then it stinks and all this stuff.

Maybe it evaporates. How about soccer jerseys? You know, they dry pretty quickly. They sweat a lot. I mean, quick dry always is generally polyester. I see. Polyester, spandex. So, I don't't know maybe put a

small little bit of but then your your rash is going to stink really fast but maybe that's a way to sell more rash car oh because it doesn't even after a wash it it this the stink stays you're saying yes and i looked into some of this too you know having certain genes that are expressed right with i know yeah and things like this and it's of this too you know having certain genes that are expressed right with i know yeah and things like this and it's not your sweat you know it's the collection of everyone especially when you're doing nogi and if someone has a certain funk that gets into the fabric especially if it's not a rash guard you know if it's cotton we east asians most of the east asians don't have bo yeah that's a real thing it's a genetic thing yeah we have also do you know why you look so young peter i saw a tiktok video

that's like because of the facial features or something right no it's a gene that is collagen protective oh our skin's thicker or something. Yeah, it's like just the way the collagen is stored in the skin. And I read about this and by read, I meant... Well, it's a big thing. Instagram. I don't know how true any of this stuff is.

I'm not a doctor. I asked my wife, who's a dermatologist, and she said it's true. And it's kind of annoying. A lot of our patients think she's like a teenager and she is does look young she is very annoying she's you know but it's kind of weird like no don't ask a woman her age right

there's like a headache ethic but as soon as these patients see her all this presence comes down and it's like oh my god are you 12 no like legit verbatim and she's she used to take it for the first few times and now she gets so annoyed she's just like really what does she do now she's just saying well they'll be very impressive because i went to i had to go to school for 20 years she's gotta say like i'm doogie hauser's little sister or something that's a good one right yeah say that yeah none of the older younger folk gonna get that yeah even our era right when was doogie hauser a thing i have no idea it might it might be it must have been 90s 90s it must be like you know after

I came to the state before I came to the state yeah tell Diane to say that I'll tell Doogie Howes is the youngest sister dude then

then they'll shut up but yeah so they'll show them um yeah why are we talking about skin oh

oh yeah the body odor with no gi stuff. Yeah, I don't know. You gotta come up with that. No gi judo. You know,

some people wear lotion too, you know, and people are very lotion heavy and, you know, a couple months ago, I was doing a little bit of no gi, whatever it was

and this guy's like, hey, can you show me something? And we haven't worked out yet, you know? And then like, I grabbed his arm to show him something and it was't worked out yet you know and then like I grabbed his arm to show him something

and it was slimy in like a lotion but like I didn't know what it was so it was kind of like if you close your eyes and you just felt that

you would think you were grabbing onto like an octopus or something like this that's cheating why is your arm so slimy he's like oh you know

I get you know just like a little lotion the? He's like, oh, you know, I get, you know, just like a little lotion. The lotion. It's like body lotion. All I see. Is it to stop perspiring? No, just regular lotion, skin lotion.

But it's like, I don't know if it's a hypoallergenic lotion or not or whatever the hell it is. You know what I mean? And I was like, ah, like, you know, like, go put a gi on, you know? Yeah. The conclusion is that Higashi Brand has to come up with a new type of material

that could solve it all. Yeah. The cleanliness and the classiness of the gi, but the convenience of no gi. Yeah. That could be a new thing. That could be a whole new...

And I need, I need, I need some kickback for this idea. You know what might be cool? You know the Mongolian vest from Mongolian wrestling? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that leather? It's leather, yeah. But it's like you have a couple places to hold, right?

Uh-huh. But the rest is made out of rash guard or something oh hey that's a new sport then that's a new sport yeah we'll make that no Gi judo yeah actually yeah all right well no Gi judo again to summarize it's evolved it's a good new full blown thing. Yeah. That needs to be studied on its own. And Shintaro's been doing it. How about this one? You ready? How about this one?

Yeah. Judo in the nude. I don't know if that's going to work that well. No, that was a joke. Yeah. Judo in the nude. Nogi judo. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. judo in the nude nogi judo you know yup um yeah so Shintaro's been researching a lot now teaching so let us know if you guys want a seminar

yup um yeah anything else no that's it reach out to me on instagram judoshintaroNYC if you want me to do a seminar

at your gym nogi judo right especially I'll fly anywhere you know California bonus points on Instagram, judoshintaroNYC if you want me to do a seminar at your gym, Nogi Judo. Right? I'll fly anywhere. You know, California. Bonus points if you know somebody else who would also host me

and that could probably reduce the cost of the flight and things like that between two people. You know, like last time I went to California, I did two gyms back to back.

You know, so airfare was split in half. Hotel was split in half. It's like a little tour you're doing. Yeah. And yeah, so like, you know, airfare was split in half hotel was split in half it's like a little tour you're doing yeah yeah and yeah so like you know reach out to me and see if we can make something happen it's all new stuff yeah it's very exciting being on the forefront of this yeah so you guys know my rate it's 3 000 for the session and all right let's go you know hopefully that's economically

viable for you and you know i'll'll make exceptions. Sometimes a smaller gym. Sometimes it's like, all right, I'll do your gym on this day. And then we'll do it with another gym. If you get me another gym down the street or something like that, we can subsidize yours a little bit. There's always some kind of flexibility thing that we can work out. But I would love to teach Nogi Judo for your gym. Please reach out. Try to support each other.

Keep the money in the community. Community. And Peter also. and you know please reach out try to support each other keep the money in the community community yeah and you know Peter also yeah alright thanks for listening guys

and we'll see you guys in the next episode