The Shintaro Higashi Show - No Turn Judo

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

Shintaro has a new system he believes can revolutionize the whole Judo world-- No Turn Judo! Shintaro explains it in detail to Peter in this episode. What do you think of No Turn Judo? Do you agree or disagree that it will revolutionize Judo? Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

hello everyone welcome back to the shintaro higashi show with peter you today we're going to talk about something a little bit nuts no turn judo system no turn no turn judo system you don't turn at all right but before we get started thank you everyone for supporting us on patreon this video slash podcast is sponsored by our patreon so yeah that's right check it out how do we find it peter yeah it's uh it's in the description the link to our patreon and uh you know if you pledge to support us monthly however you can um you get to join our discord server and you get to talk to us chat with us there's already there's already like over 10 people and then they're you know we have a little community where we talk about judo and other things so a million dollars a month is the

preferred number that's right then you know we can do this full time maybe you know and maybe that could be really cool the quality will the color will improve and yeah right now all the costs all the support is going towards making this better so help us so no turn judo system I'm going to tell you a little story

about this guy Dick Fosbury I don't know if you guys ever heard of it if you're part of my dojo you probably heard me talk about this a million times and And then Martin Rooney, my personal strength and conditioning coach from back in the day slash mentor, he actually first told me about it. So back in the day in the high jump category of the Olympic event, people would jump belly down or with their legs first high jump, you know, when they run over and jump over the bar. Yeah. This guy, Dick Fosbury run over and jump over the bar. Yeah.

This guy Dick Fosbury came along and he was like, I don't think this is the best way to do it. So he dove over the bar backwards. And people were like, man, that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Like, what is this guy freaking doing? And then he won the Olympics. Right. And now it's the standard. Everyone does the Fosbury flop, right?

Everyone does it. It's part of the thing, right? And it's dumb until someone does it and proves it, and now it becomes a standard. So that's what I think happens in many, many sports. Right? And that's what we need to do is find our Fosbury flop in judo in judo kind of like the cabarelli technique if you guys don't know it which is yeah where you go for the georgian grip you know i like classifying georgian a and georgian b right because the georgian grip has a

giving side and a receiving side it's a two-part position and you could be good at georgian b right so georgian a you go over the back over the same side shoulder as a sleeve hand and then you grab the belt with your left hand and your right hand and then you lift them up onto your leg kind of like sumi but you're doing standing and you flip them right right that's called the cabarelli i see i see by this guy cabarelli because he took it from Georgian wrestling and then brought it over

that's correct that's correct no one had done it before though in judo and now in judo you see people

going for these suplexes belly to belly body locks and I've been talking about Greco Roman for a long time and how it should be

incorporating judo more the parterre position now yeah yeah parterre position but not even that even from a standing position i see i see right and a lot of that stuff is no turn because in wrestling you know you give up your bag you get suplex as well right so belly to belly suplex and i saw an instagram video of it side by side wrestling and judo going for these body lock techniques. And I think that's sort of the next thing. Therefore, no turn judo system.

You think that is the next Fosbury flop for judo? The no turn system? Kind of. I'm trying to popularize it. And I want to make a DVD about it. Okay. All right. Well, then give us a rundown like well what is what is exactly no uh no turn judo like it's are you just talking about the suplexes no turn throws right as turn throws as in like uchimara as all the seoi nages and

uchimara's in it because you could do u do chimera without turning there's something called a your guru Nagi front which you mother you could do it ah the the Ukrainian what's his name he did that a lot Santa Raya doesn't then Toraya does it right yeah yeah I have a buddy who's a wrestler right he's a great wrestler he's a great wrestler he's jacked he was on the Samba Pan Am team with me he won Pan Am this guy vinnie mancuso he's a savage okay he wrestled his whole life the judo's whole life grappled his whole entire life right loves judo never really got into the competition so much i think he could have been one of the best in the world and he probably is one of the best he's a monster right but when he's doing judo

he's like doesn't like to turn his back. His coach is like, this is how you do a tai otoshi. Do a tai otoshi. And Vin's like, I'm not doing a tai otoshi. I'm not turning my back. Yeah. And then his coach is like, go out there and compete in a judo tournament. And Vin's like, I'm not going to a tournament if I can't shoot in on the legs.

Oh, I see. I see. So you dropped out when they took away the bank uh leg grabs yeah he's a monster though i'm telling you right he will give anybody in this world who grapples a hard time he's a savage he's a monster but anyway someone like him can i teach him judo where you don't turn your back at all? Because there's people like that out there. He'd love that. Oh, he would love that.

So, run down a technique, Sasai. Right. Right side, left side. From a standard grip, right side, left side, Sasai. Boom, boom. In wrestling, you do it off the lat drop a lot of the times. Under hook wrist, or you go over under and you go lat drop. So you could do like a belly to belly lat drop

where you commit your body backwards like an uranage from belly to belly position. So you could do like a deep committed Sasai where you throw your whole back to the ground. Right, right. Or you could just go standing Sasai right side, left side. Right, right. Foot sweeps outside of the foot.

Kochi-ochi inside of the foot inside of the feet right so you're attacking the feet from the outside attacking the feet from the inside and you're going over your right shoulder and you're going over your left shoulder so it's really broad right i thought when you said no turn judo i thought you just meant all these like big close quarters suplexes and whatnot but you're talking about literally anything, any throw you can do without turning yourself. Yes, that's the thing. Forget grip fighting.

No grip fighting. Oh, okay. Just grab anywhere and just go right left Sasai, right left Deashi, Kochi-Ochi, Tomonage-Sumigayashi. But that's interesting for you to say because you've always been a big, big, big proponent of good grip fighting. I love the traditional style of judo, right? Grip fighting and big turn throw, tokui waza. Yeah.

Did an episode on that. Go check it out. Right? Yeah. I like that because that's how Judo was taught and that's how Judo has evolved. Right, right.

But it doesn't have to be like that. Right? Mm-hmm. And people will listen to this and be like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's what they said when Dick Fosbury

invented the Fosbury flop. Uh-huh. That's right. This is the Fosbury flop. That's right. This is the Higashi flop. Higashi flop. Then, okay, so then, okay, alright, so it's all about

footsteps are included too, but how would you go prove that this works? what would you have to start competing i know and it's like you're gonna go to one with the olympic medal or you know what i gotta do this is what i'm gonna do okay yeah i'm gonna start a grappling sport as a beginner something that i haven't done yet and then go enter the competition as a complete beginner and only

do no turn judo system I don't know if there's a grappling grappling art that you could be considered as a beginner I was going to say that but then there's it's quite similar to judo as a beginner. Shojao. I was going to say that. Shojao, yeah. Shojao. But then it's quite similar to judo or even Mongolian judo.

I mean, Mongolian wrestling. Yeah. Maybe I'll do Mongolian wrestling. Do they do turn throws a lot in Shojao? Yeah, they have a taiyo. But they do a very different taiyo. They don't pull the person forward and then drop on the knee.

They stick the leg out and pull them down over the leg. Oh, it's more like a trip. It looks good. It's like a seoi otoshi. It's like a taiyo otoshi. Right, right, right. It's like a really otoshi. It's not like forward and trip them.

And I don't like it because if you're not in the same division, if they're heavier, you're going to pull them into that knee. Yeah, I'm not about that. But yeah, so that's the no-turn judo system idea. I'm going to start testing it out at the dojo too. I've been kind of messing around with it. I see. Because years of turning to one direction,

years of turning to one direction, creating lots of imbalances for me. Right, right, right. Whenever I do Osorogare Uchimata, it's like I'm only elevating my right leg. So I got some glute med tightness on one side because I don't engage those same muscles on the left side. So it's causing lots of imbalances when I want to deadlift heavy, when I want to squat heavy. It's causing me tons of issues. Oh, I see, I see. so it's like no turn system of course you're going to create imbalances with the ochi and the kochi maybe i could learn og left side and right side maybe yeah don't do that

people have these ideas you can't really come up with these ideas and go for it unless you know what's already out there right it's kind of like getting a phd and doing research you have to already read the research and then come up with your own ideas this is my own idea no turn judo system you heard it here first okay then uh what that's interesting what kind of back what kind what's out there what's the community uh stands what what kind of research are you basing this new no turn judo off well it's not really like uh it's a compilation of all the stuff i already know from judo watching judo right right and then these ideas are sort of my new formulations of like where judo is going right so you know like the the dummy sweep you go double

sleeve you sit and then you go inside double koji they call it the dummy sleep ensemble you like you sit down and do you sit down and then push them over okay okay yeah so you have double sleeve you sit and then you go double koji gari from your butt and then let the person trip over their your feet it's really dumb and doesn't really work too well but i've seen it done in judo competition as well at the highest level i yeah i think so i've seen a video of that yeah yes definitely not shouldn't be your go-to technique you can't build an entire system around just that right yeah but if you have double sote and you're looking at double sleeve and you go for sote and you're going for sumi you're going for tomonage and then the person visits back and then you sit and go double koji

it could potentially work right so it's like stuff like this i see and i see things getting more popularized they did a drop ochi in a different way that people are starting to look at and now with ijf and judo vision or judo videos on instagram people see it people try it people repost it people hit it in midori people show clips it's spreading like wildfire judo's becoming little by little more and more viral because it's not only judo people who share judo stuff now yeah i see like you guys are sharing guys yeah so they already have a massive base of people watching it right so that's where i'm kind of sort of basing my and by market research i mean like sitting in bed scrolling through my instagram feed

that is research yeah so someone like a kimchi pancake you know right people doing judo throws that's right best yeah you think you're gonna do it I'm actually very interested in your possible quest to compete in shi-chao or some other motion I'm not doing that yeah there's not even enough of an infrastructure for me to like actually make it worth my time to do it i think because there's not really a competitive base yeah all right and they can't attract the biggest and strongest athletes because i'm 36 now and i'm you know i don't have time for that so i was just kidding about that actually going out there and pressure testing

this idea right but it could definitely work i don't see why it wouldn't work i guess you're one of one of your students could do it yeah maybe i'll teach it to george i don't know man george loves hey george man forget everything i taught you in the last six years i'm gonna start over i'm gonna start off a double koji it's a side right left and here's the caveat for this no sleeve judo system uh no turn judo you're at a sort of a distance because they put their hands on you first and you just grab whatever you can and then you go so you're fighting sort of this mid-range area right right mid to long range right and then you lock up and go close the distance and then you become proficient in that belly to belly position right right right so now you have

layers to this stuff mid-range close, close-range. Mid-range, close-range. Sacrifice throws, right side, left side, attacking the feet, big throws, small throws. And then, of course, anytime you feel like you're in danger, Tomonage Sumigayashi transitioned to Newaza. So all your Newaza transitions are based off of this. Now I'm thinking

maybe this will appeal to a lot of the BJJ people or people from other arts trying judo. Yeah, I actually made a Judo Fanatics DVD called Low Risk Judo for BJJ Players.

Right. And it's literally Tomoe Nageage Sumigayashi Kochi Ochi leg grip leg grabs that's it ankle pick knee pick fake Tomoe Nage ankle pick Kochi Sumigayashi Sumigayashi knee pick right guy pulls guard Kochi get your two right I see fake guard pull oji oji doesn't work they drive in go sumi from there right low risk judo there's no risk if you're turning there's a lot of risk because these people don't really know how to do turn throws yet and it takes a long time to develop turn

throws and i'm not saying don't develop turn throws i'm not talking about that i'm not advocating forget everything you've ever known about judo throw it out the window i'm not saying that if you already do turn throws and you're refining it and they're powerful keep doing it right right because that's the thing about the turn throws is that it takes a really long time to develop but once you do develop it because you throw your entire body into it right it's a lot easier to fall forward right right right think about like a football player hitting the sled and running their feet and then just going forward right like you could use your body weight momentum you could use your legs right right right huge coordinated effort boom right so that's the beauty of the turn throw but we're gonna

take it out of judo system yeah I think you know maybe this could be a thing everyone when you popularize it enough and maybe a wrestler could pick up judo with your no-turn system and then enter the octagon and then say, hey, you know, wins the belt. And then they say, hey, it's all thanks to Shintaro Higashi's new no-turn judo system. Think about it this way too, right? Why do we grip fight? In order to put ourselves in the best position

to optimally work our dominant turn throws. Right, yeah. What if you don't that's why you advocate yeah but that's why you advocate grip fighting so much but then i guess yes if you're not turning you know if you're gonna take this out you could rethink grip fighting period and these are the niche ideas i think that's the most important when you're a grappling artist right for instance close guard close guard everybody knows most important when you're a grappling artist. Right? For instance, close guard. Close guard. Everybody knows close guard.

If you're listening to this thing, you know what close guard is. Right. Close guard grip fighting is everything. Because that's what you do. In order for me to attack Sankaku or Jujji, I have to open the guard. When do you open the guard? After you have your grips settled. Okay.

So is there a methodical, systematic way to grip fight in order to go from closed guard to attack? Closed guard to attack. Not really. Not really. And I've heard the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world say things like, oh, when you're in the top position somebody grab your collar always just take it off always just take it off always just break the grip break the grip

break the grip okay but that doesn't really show us your system on how to do that it's not refined yet like the way judo has been in terms of just straight up pure grip fighting so like grip fighting in close guard bottom versus top right a system here it is dick fosbury i guess it's a it's not that you're getting rid of grip fighting it's a different types of grip fighting because you know the yeah with the different the wrestlers, Greg Coroman wrestlers, they do grip fighting close quarters. Even though they don't really turn a lot. They call it hand fighting. Yeah, like wrist grips.

In freestyle wrestling or collegiate style wrestling. And then in Greco, you wouldn't really say hand fighting. You do say it, but then you call it a lot more like pommeling. Pommeling, yeah. Pommeling for double unders. Yeah, yeah. So there are things in those grappling arts that can be sort of transferred over that hasn't really transferred over yet. Right, right.

And those are the gaps that I think should be exploited to create your own system. And that's how you sort of become a champion. You could follow someone's proven method. You could try to imitate Koga and do all his Ippon Seinagi system. Works great for some people. For instance, Travis took a lot of his Ippon Seinagi from Koga. He learned from Koga's style and that's what he was very successful with he didn't only have that because he would just he can't just do what koga does he also goes over the back he also

does the neck throw he also does you know a lot of other stuff too but a good piece of it is a lot of that stuff right but you and i can't really just take on travis ste Stevens judo style because it's very reliant on his body type. Right. So you kind of have to like see what's out there, understand all the basics and the standards of the sport and then start breaking it and then creating it for yourself. You know, we had an episode about like creating your own judo system. Right, right, right. Right.

And I think it goes for the same for every industry every martial art every sport really not just sport in life too yeah in life man someone talked about the higgs particle you know and they called the god particle and they talked about the higgs field and why does mass have mass and now all of a sudden the higgs boson particle is a thing now. Yeah, that's right. You're standing on the shoulders of giants. Yeah, but without basic physics knowledge, you can't have gotten there, right? Right, that's right.

Well, maybe there's this thing out there that's, you know, whatever, and it just doesn't work like that. But I think this is, didn't you mention that like uh was it you or maybe i read it somewhere but i heard that russians they tend to train all the wrestlers ensemble players and judo players they all tend to train together not always not always i've seen it done but i think that's more the exception, not the rule. Right, right, right, right. I've been in a training camp in Brazil where it was like half jiu-jitsu, half judo. It was nuts. And they would alternate.

Stand up, nirwaza. Stand up, nirwaza. Stand up, nirwaza. It's like there were kids in there wearing purple belts, and you were like, that guy probably does jiu-jitsu mostly. I see. And then the guy stand up was unbelievable so it's like okay and let me grab him for no was around and see if his there was as equally as good it was even better and i was like wow this kid could do both right right right right right so

that does happen you know but i think like there are jud-jitsu, hybrid judo martial arts schools in the United States too. And maybe that could be the breeding ground for the no-turn judo system. Yeah, the next gen, man. Next gen. No-turn judo system. I should really double down and make a video about this. Right. So you kind of went go over the went over the um major ideas yeah about no the no turn judo if you're not a believer in some of these ideas and you can't visualize it

go look at greco-roman wrestling highlights on youtube just right google that youtube that and then you'll see these people going from belly to belly and you'll see how similar a lot of these movements are. With the back extension and the back arch and stuff. To what the modern judokas from the Soviet areas are doing. It's pretty incredible. It's amazing.

Actually. Let's borrow from that. Let's make judo better. That's right. New dimensions and whatnot. So you were thinking of making a DVD out of this? Oh, yeah. No, it's been on my to-do list. I've just been very restricted on time lately.

Busy man. All right. Well, this is it, guys. The No Turn new idea coming out. I guess this was like a preview of it preview of it yeah if you have any ideas reach out to us not on Instagram but mostly

on Discord that would be ideal it's just hard honestly I don't get that many messages on Instagram but Shintaro does and Shintaro cannot go through all of them i literally cannot it's impossible yeah look at you instagram influencer you know i have a funny story about the influence i went to a judo school near my house to bring my kid uh-huh

and someone recognized me from the youtube uh-huh he was like oh my god starstruck what are you doing here i was like my that's my friend teaching judo over there he's like you know my kid sensei i get that a lot in michigan like they don't really recognize me because when i go to judo i don't wear glasses i wear i don't wear button-ups um but once i tell you know once i tell them well they usually ask where where i trained before and i say i trained with higashi in new york and then they kind of like sometimes like make the connection it's like are you that guy in the podcast you know the guy talking uh yeah exactly but that's cool but yeah i mean the

best way to talk to us and give us feedback and ideas would be through discord um if you know if you can please support us and you know why don't you guys also you know marinate this idea of the no turn judo system in your heads and maybe we can make something out of it as a community, you know? Yep. Cool. All right.

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