The Shintaro Higashi Show - On Respect

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

It is said that Judo begins with respect and ends with respect (礼に始まり、礼に終わる). One way to see this aspect of Judo is bowing. You bow when you enter the dojo; you bow to your teacher; you bow to your partner; and you bow when you exit the dojo. But is this all there to "respect"? In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss what respect means within the context of Judo. Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

hello everyone welcome back to the shintaro higashi show with peter yu today we're going to talk about respect that's an interesting one respect respect respect yeah but let me let's let's uh plug our patreon first check out our patreon all the links are everywhere i guess right it helps us support the channel so great stuff yeah great stuff you get to chat with us on discord right with peter i i I try to get Shintaro. Once in a while, I'll tell him to come on. Yeah. I'll try to make him come on more.

But yeah, thanks for all the support. Supporters who are already supporting us on Patreon and consider supporting us. And yeah, respect. I think I heard... It might be like a Korean thing, but I heard in korea or somewhere that judo starts with respect and ends with respect yeah yeah it's very symbolic that way

because of the bow bow signifies respect right it's really deeply embedded in the culture maybe we can start with that bowing like you made a funny video about that and we kind of talked about it a lot of in like the cultural episode and whatnot but so and in other judo related arts like bjj they don't really bow they have their own like that slap band bump whatever yeah so yeah so but what is that what does bowing mean in judo in the context of respect? What does it actually say about that? I think I mean bowing is just part of the Japanese culture. It's not specific to judo It's specific not specific to karate either. It's just everybody bows in culture It's like, you know how Americans handshake and right bump and all the stuff the Japanese people bow even like friends about like yo, what's up, man?

How you doing? You know like you bow like when you see somebody you bow your superiors you bow to your inferiors And you know the you know, some people may argue like, you know, the degree of the bow signifies How much X Y & Z especially if you're apologizing You know the context is that in apology like you have to be lower than the other person and the lower your head is the more you feel remorse so like the lowest form of sort of getting rid of pride and the biggest form of apologies getting down on your knees and putting your forehead to the floor you know when you do like an abomination you know or when you're like you know make a huge mistake at work and it's like one of those things that you could potentially be fired and you really want to show.

You put your forehead on the floor and you, you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You know, that kind of a thing. So like, you know, there is kind of meaning behind it. Right. It's a sign of respect. Like we're going to talk a little bit about respect. Right. But it's just like kind of made its way into judo.

You know, all the sports. And, you know, when you bow onto the mat you respect the mat you bow to your opponent because you respect the opponent because japan is a very respectful culture uh it's all about that you gotta show respect everywhere yeah it begins with bow ends with bow it's sure right because you know you bow with the aberration and after you compete with the person whether you know you beat the piss out of them or they beat the piss out of you or it's exchange of ideas and skills and making each other better, sharpening each other like you bow with admiration and say, hey, thank you very much.

That concludes our situation. Let's leave it on the mat. And then now you guys are just regular folk just hanging out, talking about where to get dinner, right? Right. So I think that's a good point because you have to understand where bowing came from it just it's not just because you're bowing to someone doesn't mean you're respectful yes you know and i think you know that video that i made about the white belt

bows too much like i'm not against bowing you know i'm not against westerners doing it but you know sometimes people put too much meaning on it right right right so it's like it yes we should preserve some of the traditional stuff like we should bow to the mat you shouldn't wear shoes on the mat like those things goes without saying you know but to get too crazy about like how deep should you bow and I bow lower than my sensei's head and get people getting all too crazy about it you know it's kind of nuts you know people are more Japanese than I am you know and I'm pretty you know I'm not like fully Japanese right I'm like Japanese American but like you know it becomes a

big kind of characterizes the culture a little bit yes you know it's like why are you preaching to me about my culture culture. You know what I mean? I think I kind of find that funny. I think, yeah, I get that too as a Korean American, you know, about bowing. I mean, Koreans bow all the time too. Another thing about bowing is, I guess, bowing to the mat or whatever, but then, you know, at the end of the class you or i forget not do we

do that in the beginning too but anyway you bow to the picture of kano and other sensei so that's very weird yeah people so how can we yeah what what does it mean behind that so yeah it might be a little weird yeah like oh like like, you know, worshiping them or something? It's not like that, right? Yeah, definitely weird. Yeah, so you want to pay respect to the people who came, right? You want to pay homage to the people who've sort of been there to teach you the lineage, the people, the founder, right? Yeah.

And it is weird because in a cultural standpoint, it's like you're looking at, you know, from an outsider coming into a dojo, why are these people chanting in, you know, a language, especially when we do the dojo creed yeah yeah our dojo creeds in japanese so like all right you know why are they chanting and then why are they bound to a picture of a guy on the wall optics are pretty bad you know and i've made the joke before like yeah yeah you know what is it it's like oh yeah you're about to join a cult and this is the propaganda portion we indoctrinate you guys you know and ha ha, ha, ha, right? But that's what it kind of seems like a lot of the times. Right.

Do newcomers ask you that explicitly? No, but people can, right? So there's two types. You know, people who come in to martial arts, a lot of times they have an affinity for Asian culture. Most people love that stuff. If they don't and they're just regular westernized americans they can they look at it like you know right a little weird right so it's sort of job of the instructor to kind of make it not a thing a little bit right yeah so

we do openly have a conversation about it but if you're coming from japan where you bow to everything and anything yeah you know what i mean like you know sometimes you see like violinists before they go out on stage they'll bow to the stage they'll bow to the audience they'll bow to their conductor you know i see it's everywhere it's everywhere you know i've seen like chess masters like bow to their opponents bow to the chessboard and it's like cool you know that's a sign of respect because it's a very respectful culture oh even western chess players will do that no not yeah i mean i don't know maybe the koreans and chinese do it but well the i think maybe so i haven't seen in korea at least i haven't seen people bound to pictures really yeah um maybe they usually do it in like funerals like they would go down their

knees and what i guess but then um so i i'm not gonna lie it was uh when i because i started judo in korea like and then came here and then to america and then i was kind of i was surprised actually yeah but i i get the culture but is it common like in even in other settings like bowing to pictures? I don't know. I don't know. But a lot of times what we say is like shomen, nirei, which means like bow to the front. Yeah. And then Kano happens to be at the front of the dojo.

That's kind of a thing, right? If you're running a judo school, you want a picture of Kano who started judo. He was a huge, huge influence not only in judo but martial arts period. Right. He invented the belt well i don't want to say he invented the belt system but you know he was responsible for the black belt and the white belt yeah responsible for the gi as a training tool he was a big part of getting japan out of isolation and he was a huge influence on the olympic movement right right so he's a huge historical figure so it's like all right you know he's at every dojo because he had a hand in doing it and you know thanks man thanks man right you know but uh i've seen you know japanese baseball players die while onto the field and you know having a picture of

like you know their coach something then you know pat coach has died or something it's like oh right and it's like kind of like and you know this is a weird thing that kind of confuses a lot of people too like in western culture when you think about bowing you know you think about like church getting down on the knees yeah so it's like a religious thing a worship thing right you know and historically japan is not a very religious country right right right like if you look at koreans they tend to be much more religious they have yeah christianity and you know buddhism all that yeah yeah japanese you know they got shintoism and all that stuff no one really like right follows it too closely like overall as a culture

not a very religious called country right so it's like you know contextually but it's not yeah So it's like, you know, contextually. There's no really religiosity in it. That's just, yeah. I mean, it's like, oh, bowing is everywhere in that culture. So this is just the same thing. It's not like we're worshipping Kano to give us blessings or something. And there's like weird stuff. You know, like if you bow, right?

Like if you're about to fight someone and kill somebody in a sword fight, right? If you're like looking directly in their eyeballs and then bowing, it shows that you don't trust them. Right, right, right. But if you put your head down all the way and then you can't see them, you can get your head cut off in case they betray you. So you have to sort of feign this like hey i do trust you but you know not completely i will lower my head but you're like looking straight on at their feet just in

case they're able to right you could react and like things like that that's kind of very japanese ish you know it's like i trust you i respect you but not But it's very, very nuanced the way Japanese communication is. It's not a very direct communication. There's all these little social dances that people do in Japan. For instance, like paying the bill. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like there's a social dance there.

Hey, I got it. No, no, no. It's okay. I got it. No, no, no. Let me get it. No, no, no. Let me get it.

Let me get it. No, no, no. I got it. You got it last time. Like blah, blah, blah. All right, fine. You get it. And no let me get it let me get it no no no i got it you got it last time like blah blah blah blah blah blah all right fine you get it and then they pay and then it's like that guy made me pay on the freaking fourth attempt they're like what the hell you know but it's like there's a whole nuanced thing as opposed to in america it's very easy to be like listen man i paid last time

you pay this time or dude let's just freaking split it it's better for a friendship you know you could be direct in this way. But if I were direct like that in Japan, it would be very rude. Right. So even in the bowing scheme of things, it's like, all right, I'm bound to somebody higher up on the hierarchy in the dojo. I have to bow a little bit lower. I have to be looking at his feet because I don't want to be looking down at the floor. Right.

Hands to the side. X, Y, Z. And it's a hard thing to balance because that's where the thing comes from and now you're in America and I have guys coming into the dojo like, yo, what's up, sensei? Yeah. I do that. Yeah. It depends on who it is. Sometimes if they're new and it's a nice way to sort of not shape them but like get them involved into the culture. Right, right.

Because if they're doing it in an obnoxious way, it's a really good method to be like, don't yo sensei me, man. And here we bow and all this stuff and, you know, people do follow and it's a way to get people to sort of I don't want to say comply and conform but that kind of thing is very necessary in a sport that's very dangerous because you have what's the word Mavericks or derelicts or ever however you want to say it like you have those one-offs that you know don't follow the rules don't come for I don't give a shit about safety of the knees and I'm gonna go for Tanya Toshi you know those people are gonna injure other people so it's like I see in this setting yeah I think it's very important for people to follow these rules because if you can follow those

small rules you could follow the bigger rules okay so like I use it and I think of it in that way I see it's like a little uh what do you call that a canary test kind of yeah canary in a coma test yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's where this stuff comes from and you know for me that's the way I look at it I'm not draconian about enforcing this kind of stuff because you know we're in the United States we're different race different time some people need it some people don't and you know this is one of my things that I always talk about it's like it's not very scalable it's not very same across the board. It's done So in a way to shape the dojo in a safer way to shape the community

How about the how about calling your sensei? That's what it yeah, you want a teacher You think another thing there's a little bit of a discrepancy there right my sensei or like sensei. Oh, you know What does that even mean? But in Japan it just means teacher you call your school teacher sensei or like sensei it's like oh you know what does that even mean but in japan it just means teacher you call your school teacher sensei right yeah yeah yumi goes to school and i'm like oh what's up sensei like how's my kid doing so it's not like at all because i think i guess uh you know what's weird master don't call me master that one weirds me out a little bit i think almost like sensei the war got that connotation from all these movies like karate kid or whatever yeah maybe like it's not a mess it's just literally a teacher yeah right and you know in japan teachers are very

esteemed it's a very respectable occupation uh the US you have teacher you have not teacher yeah lawyer doctor a programmer yeah I don't know what that's like your doctor yeah right lawyer doctor finance like oh you know intelligent whatever it is in Japan you know teachers up there. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Nice, nice. Although the pay doesn't reflect it. But they're like, what do you do for work? I'm a teacher. I'm a sensei.

People are like, oh, shoot, you know? So, like, that kind of leaks over a little bit. Because, oh, you're an instructor. That's incredible. And it really is seen in a way, like, in very high respect. You know, people are very, you know, they're super proud that they're instructors. Right, right. Right? Not just judo but like everything.

What do you teach? Math. Oh, man. You're shaping the future, whatever it is. So there's already sort of this like sensei title across all teachers and then it gets brought over here and then you get a movie like karate kid and mr miyagi you know and you know the cultural thing that bleeds over now it's like it's hard to see like on the spectrum like where did how high does it go right you know and from i think the

average person perceiving from the outside look from outside looking in it's like oh sensei man it must mean master or one right right right you know right, right. You know, sensei, what's the meaning of life? It's like, man, I don't know. You know, like, I know judo. So I think there's a lot of nuance here. And then on that point, we could talk about the difference between respecting someone and being respectful. Yeah. Yeah.

So what are your thoughts on that? respecting someone and being respectful. Yeah. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, so that's a distinguishing thing that I always make. Yeah. And sign of respect, okay? That's what everyone says. Even when kids sign up for judo, it's like, hey, why do you want your kid to do judo? Some of the things, I want my kid to be disciplined, know i want my kid to have some respect and i want my kid to be you know they have to defend themselves or whatever yeah getting

bullied at school i want them to fight back like and having self-respect right right right right if they have self-respect they're going to fight for themselves and then now they're not going to be bullied xyz it's all like sort of this rotating thing that works together you know what i mean but this is the thing it's like respect me respect me uh i'm not about that yeah so you have to distinguish first of all the definition of respect and then you have to distinguish between respecting someone and being respectful so if you google respect definition this is what comes up. Okay. It's using Google.

We need someone like, hey, Jamie, pull it up. Hey, Eugene, put it on the screen for me. If we get enough Patreons. Yeah, we'll get our own Jamie. Hey, Eugene, you pull it up. Oh, my knee hurts, by the way. All right, respect. A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Ah. Do you admire everybody? No. No. You can't admire everybody. And not only just admire admire it's a deep admiration for their achievements and all that yeah and of course there's some offshoot stuff you know uh there's certain type of ways down the noun is used yeah you know what I mean like a person's

polite greetings and you know all this other stuff. But generally speaking, it is the deep admiration. Right. Right? So you have to earn respect. You shouldn't just respect everybody. Right. Some people are criminals and scumbags. Some people are just not hardworking. Some people don't deserve the respect. But you could be respectful. You could be respectful oh yeah you could be polite you could be

respectful right guy comes in they're lazy they don't do anything and they're just kind of like a little bit toxic and negative and like kind of somebody that you don't really want to be around right but they're here to improve themselves like I I'm respectful of that right I respect that they're coming in they're making an effort to make themselves better right okay so there's something about them that i do admire therefore i'm going to be respectful but overall do i admire this person i want to be like this person no and that was a lot of my thing you know right you know this is going to be like a you know like a deep dive into sort of my psyche. But like when I was a kid, I regarded like grappling

and fighting and all this stuff so much that if you didn't grapple, I considered you sort of like a normie, like a normal person. And then like,

it was hard for me to respect someone that didn't do it. It was like, it's a weird psychological thing that like, you know, my father always kind of beated me like, you're's a weird psychological thing that like, you know, my father always kind of

beat it to me that you're better than everyone because you do this, you know. Not everyone can do this, you know. And then not only was it from judo

but like all of martial arts even though respect is embedded in this thing and now all of a sudden you're wrestling and like wrestlers are built different. Wrestlers are tough.

You know, if you wrestle you can do anything in life, right? So like every facet of the grappling experience that I've ever had, you know? Good thing I met you at judo. Maybe you would have thought I was just a normie if we met at a bar.

I mean, I've changed my tune on that. Right, right. Because I've been in rooms with really smart people in the NBA program. And I'm thinking to myself, you know what? These people don't grapple. And a lot of these people are just straight up out of shape and can't walk up and play stairs. I've been in rooms with really smart people in the MBA program and I'm thinking to myself, you know what? These people don't grapple and a lot of these people are just straight up out of shape and can't walk up and play stairs. But they're very, very intelligent.

They work really hard and I respect them. They have their own achievements that can be respected. Yes, all achievements, all methods. Yeah, but there's some people who just do nothing. Literally nothing. They just take from you and they're just toxic to be around. I don't respect those people but you're respectful to them I will give that if they're respectful to me it's a reciprocating thing

right right it's gonna be I'm not gonna go out of my way to like put anyone down or anything like this right right so that there is that will be respectful back and I'm generally polite to most people I think that's a good sign. Like you don't have, just because you don't like, Oh, necessarily like someone,

just because someone doesn't have respectful qualities, respectable quality, it doesn't mean you have to be rude to them. And yeah, you know, and you know, this might be wrong, but it's like,

you don't, you know, for instance, like I'm talking about like with my kid especially, right? It's like I kind of want to teach you the lesson of like, hey, you don't have to respect everybody. You have to be respectful because maybe they've been on the planet for longer or whatever it is.

You have to be respectful. You don't have to respect them just because they're in an authority position, just because they've been on the planet longer or whatever it is. You have to be respectful. People have to earn your respect no matter what. Like what do you admire about this person? And then treat them accordingly. It shouldn't be the default.

And I think that's how you get in trouble. You walk in and then this person is a figure of authority. And immediately you're like, all right, everything goes out the window. This person, everything this person says is true. Obviously, you can't like combat everybody who's in an authority place that you know I had it sort of a little rebellious street going up yeah that's a big important thing I want to teach my kid like mm-hmm respect is earned that's very subtle and nuance like it's uh yeah but hope hope

Yumi gets it now I think she might maybe she's a little too young to like tell the difference like oh but if you drill down to her drill it down to her i guess because i i grew up in i grew up in that kind of culture you know i grew up in korea for the first half of my life and then there it just kind of like that oh if you're older i mean i mean it's changing now but because that was so drilled into me it actually was a little hard for me to break out of that when i moved to america yeah so it's definitely uh different culture right i want to like sort of correct myself it's not that i don't respect a lot of people i'm not saying that i respect a lot of people you're making an effort to improve yourself okay i don't want people to

think like oh man i'm out of shape she probably doesn't respect that that's not true because you could have a right so there's fundamental attribution error that a lot of people make like oh this person's fat because they're lazy right no not true maybe you know it's like childhood diet that's been indoctrinated and they you know gained a lot of weight now their thyroid is messed up i have a thyroid issue you know what i mean so like if they're making an effort to improve themselves i admire that quality so therefore if you're make you know it's hard living and doing things and trying to pursue your dreams and even though it seems like somebody is lazy,

it's very easy to make that attribution error like that person is just lazy. Right, right. But you don't know what demons to fight. Right. Right. So I – Yeah. Yeah. So I will admire people and respect people just based on the fact that like they're human,

they're trying, they're doing their best. Right. They're making themselves better, all that stuff. So I do respect a lot of people. Not everybody. their best right making themselves better all that stuff so i do respect a lot of people not everybody and it is not my default to respect everybody right off the bat if i talk to somebody and they're telling me like oh i'm doing my best to get xyz and oh you know i'm compassionate about this and i care about that i'm like all right i'll respect them from that that's going on nice so that i will be respectful right off the bat until they prove to me that they were the other respect and

then I will respect them right then must think I'm a nut job no I think that's a reasonable thing to say so that now let's kind of we talked about respect in the more abstract sense but now let's bring it down to a more practical setting in the dojo. So I think a lot of this comes up when you're drilling with someone and your partner is doing something wrong. So you could correct the person, your partner. But is it respectful to do that or is there a more respectful way to do it? I think it's a tough balance there. Especially if you're not the instructor.

If you're not the instructor, yeah. So I always say at the dojo, don't give unsolicited advice. Maybe they're working something out, maybe they're figuring something out. If you want advice, ask for advice. That's always sort of the key because there's nothing worse than like, hey, I'm trying this new thing. And be like, no, you're doing it wrong. And then you have to kind of explain like, no, you know, I was watching Shintaro on YouTube and he was like this or whatever. Right. When you're trying to work something out and people are like, oh, this is what I think. And they're like throwing their agenda. Like, agenda like look how much i know you gotta listen to me because i'm wearing this belt respect me because my belt color is better than your belt color uh you know i'm not really about that you

know right right right let me know if you want feedback but generally you know i say to everybody don't give unsolicited advice yeah if you want advice and feedback, ask for it and be concise about it. No one needs to hear a dissertation about a soldier. One or two things that they can work on, let them work on it, and then swap turns and make good use of your time. And because that's sort of the norm in the dojo, you don't get too many people kind of being annoying about like,

hey, let me show you this thing. And that's how I tried to shape it. But people who have experience elsewhere, they don't have that kind of a culture. So they come in and they think it's the right thing to do if they're higher belt to just kind of grab them and show them and like, hey, let me show you this tile. They go on and on and on and on and you get no reps.

Right, right. You're standing there talking for 15 minutes did you really get better yeah you got it's better to do it yeah i don't even yeah i don't correct really i don't correct people unless asked to yeah yeah because i want to get my reps in too it's got to be a symbiotic thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, but you can ask specifically like, hey, do you want feedback? Hey, do you want enough feedback? And these are like sort of the soft skills in the dojo, like, you know, communication skills that, you know, you develop.

And the beauty of judo, more than anything, they're always arm's length away. If you're linked up and having a conversation with them, your face is a foot and a half away from all the person uh you know so like that's the beauty of it right eye contact it helps you get there yeah right and that's like there's nothing connection yeah yeah and you know this is the thing if you're having a conversation with someone while in wrestling practice you're not going to be standing in the wrestling stance looking at eyeballing each other you're kind of just like hanging out and chit chatting sort of this from this distance oh i see but in judo you're already linked up and saying hey what do you think about my you know position here your arm length away you could just lean in and kiss the person even so it's like that's the distance so it's very intimate lots

of eye contact proximity you know you have to develop those communication skills within that which is not a region which is not that common in modern society anymore it's not that common yeah and it's hard to be disrespectful when your arms length away when you're looking at each other in the eye right and when you're locked up with someone, grip to grip, and your hands are connected to them because you guys are both playing the geek. It humanizes people, I guess. It really does. You could be three feet away.

What are you looking at? Get caught with a haymaker, four feet away. You're in the danger zone or striking or whatever, but you're locked up there you're in there you know it's superhumanized it's a very very unique experience i think that it just gets overlooked you know and you have to put a little bit of light on it right so it's like deeply embedded with like sort of this human connection human communication respect disrespect like all this stuff maybe this is how america heals in in shintaro's version republicans democrats have to put on their gis on yeah and then just hold each other make america communicate again oh man shintaro for president president. So that's about correcting your partner, how to interact with your partner

respectfully. And we've talked about this a lot. That kind of bleeds over to the overall feel of the dojo, the safe place. safe place. You know, that's very important. Everyone needs to be respectful to each other and then feel safe. I guess that means like you don't have to necessarily like respect everyone at the dojo. Of course, there will be some conflicts. I mean, like people you don't really get along with in the dojo, but doesn't mean, but you still have to contribute to make, you still need to strive to create

a safe space in the dojo yes yeah and that's what it's about you know if everyone's sort of on the same page with like the respectfulness then it becomes a safer environment you know even like it shows itself when you're working out with someone you know just relentlessly bombing them as opposed to like throwing them controlling them down not landing on them being respectful of their body and their right all this other stuff like you know that stuff really goes a long way so it's not it starts with the bow ends with about everything in between you have to be respectful you know i'm not saying respect everybody don't respect me at the dojo just because i'm wearing a fancy color belt respect me for the way i talk to people people. No, seriously, respect me for the way I talk to people. You know, sometimes

that, you know, I talk to people in a way where, you know, it's kind of like a bracelet, I guess. You know, I've been known. Even at the dojo? Not really. It depends who you ask. But like, respect me for my abilities, respect me for my teaching skills, respect me for the way that I'm protecting you and trying to keep you safe. Admire me for those things. It shouldn't just be default because I'm wearing a certain color belt.

Even though the belt is, a lot of people can't see past that and they say, wow, that's, everybody here is black belts, you know, very highly leveled. Like this one guy is wearing a red and white belt. Immediately just like by default, people are like are like respect this man listen to this man but it's like i still have to earn yeah you with our interactions right that's uh that's my opinion on like respect versus respectful oh that was i always distinguish this yeah and like in life it's like you know like this, like, oh, I'm a lawyer. Respect me. It's like, get out of here.

But you wouldn't say that to him or her directly because you'll be respectful. I'll be respectful, but I'll ask questions. Exactly. I think that, yeah. Yeah? Where'd you go to law school? What firm do you work for? Oh, that's like a nice little starter firm.

Be a little... I won't do that. I won't do that. No, but still, it's like, you know, I mean, it's just a thing. You know, it's like,

you don't default like... You get what I'm saying. Man, people are going to think I'm a lunatic now. No, what? You got to think, is that person doing a good job as a lawyer, helping people out, the clients out, whatever.

Of course, you got it. That has to come in. All right. I honestly never thought about... When you told me before the show the difference between respecting someone and being respectful, that's what you want to talk about. I didn't really get what you were trying to say, but now I get it. Good, good.

I guess it was clear then. Yeah, I hope you guys got it as much as I did. And think about the respect, you know, it's not about the show, like what you do to other people, you know, it's, yeah,

a lot of context around it. Yep. Being respectful for each other, even if you don't respect them necessarily. Peter, I just want to end the show with, I respect you.

Oh, I deeply respect you too. i wasn't fishing for a compliment but i was just trying to say like you know right i admire you you're a hard-working guy you're smart you're a good husband you're a good dog owner you know you're good at judo you grapple you try your best to improve yourself you're smart care about a lot of issues that i don't care about at all you know you just you care more about the world than i do sometimes i think too much because i stress myself out why do you care so much i know i gotta stop that i well i should be the kind of guy that'll go to all the marches

sometimes yeah i and shintintaro, same for me. I respect you. You're one of the best judo teachers I've ever met. Probably the best. Yeah, and great friend. You're always there for me. I think I talked to you guys, told you guys about it. One day, without even telling me i was

like very stressed out and he just flew over to detroit to hang out with me you know he's yeah that was very nice all right well let's not get too emotional yeah i know yeah all right well this is uh thanks for listening uh for this uh to this episode and then uh stay tuned for the next