The Shintaro Higashi Show - Our First Impression on Shuai Jiao

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

By popular demand, Shintaro and Peter are talking about Shuai Jiao! They're no experts of Shuai Jiao, so in this episode, they focus more on their first impressions of the art, and how it fits in the broad grappling world. Join our Discord server and start chatting with us and other grapplers by supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show, PDU. Today we're going to talk about Shuai Zhao. Shuai Zhao. Shuai Zhao. I've noticed it a lot, like every video you post, someone's like, hey, can you talk about Shuai Zhao? Yeah. And I only know very, like, on the high level.

It's a Chinese, I guess, type of kung fu, but has a lot of grappling elements in it. Yeah, it's like a grappling kung fu. You know, which I like that. You know, because a lot of times you see kung fu and you associate it with like the short forms and the movement, the dances. You ever see that MMA guy

that goes around beating up kung fu masters? I've seen those, you know. Yeah. The Chinese guy, apparently he got banned by the government, censored by the government or something. Oh, yeah, man. His social score is so low, he can't get on an airplane.

He can't get on a train, dude. I saw that video when he was talking about that. It's kind of nuts. Yeah. He really screwed himself up, you know, because in a couple of years, he's going to get too old and he's not going to be able to do fighting and he's just going to be like some bum, you know? Where is his future going?

You know, he kind of screwed himself on that. But he entertained all of us. Yeah. For a little bit. And he did explore some of this stuff. You all kind of had a feeling, right? Just doing form, you know, is not going to help you be a fighter. Right.

Well, it's not to say like they're not great athletes, all these kung fu martial artists. You know, they have great athletes that can do a lot of acrobatics and all. But fighting is... Oh, wow. Okay. you know they have great athletes that can do a lot of acrobatics and all but i don't know about fighting is oh wow okay i'll tell you there's several things that i'm gonna say man when i'm watching some of these videos like first and foremost right you even in mma there's weight classes right i mean you see a guy that's like ah presented jiu-jitsu guy goes against aikido guy and the jiu-jitsu guy outweighs the guy by 50 pounds. That's a huge advantage in itself. You know what I mean? A guy challenges

Kung Fu Masters. That Kung Fu Masters 140 pounds. 65 year old. Even if that guy was doing MMA his whole life he's way beyond his abilities to be able to execute some of this stuff. That's just not fair. If you're going to call out some

martial art or whatever it is and do a challenge match like at least make it fair make it at least fair you know and this is the thing right like all right get a jujitsu blue belt average jujitsu blue belt is mid-30s going through a divorce right get that guy and be like i'm gonna go out and prove to you jujitsu can work on anybody and put him in a fight against lebron james see what happens oh lebron james will beat the hell out of that guy. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. There's no way that guy's going to take LeBron James down.

So, that's the Kung Fu side. So, what's Shui Zhao? So, you did a little bit of research, right? I don't really know anything about it. I didn't really do much research, but I Googled it. And I watched some YouTube videos. That's just acceptance. I've heard about this stuff. I've heard about this stuff.

I've heard about this. What can, so what do you, what do you think about it? What's your first impression? Shuaijiao. It's a, essentially looks exactly like judo. Similar outfit with the jacket and everything, but the sleeves are like much shorter. Oh, they're like a, like a no sleeves or does it look like a short sleeve?

Very, very short sleeve. Yeah. It reminded me of Mongolian wrestling a little a no sleeves or is it like a short sleeve very very short sleeve yeah it reminds me of Mongolian wrestling a little bit but it is the actual jacket sport supposedly it goes back to like 3000 BC

it was like Zhuang business in China 3000 BC so they're arguing that it's like one of the oldest grappling forms

of you know yeah you know wrestling is so intuitive for everybody yeah monkeys wrestle monkeys wrestle you put two two heroes in the room together You know? Yeah. That makes sense. You know, wrestling is so intuitive for everybody. Yeah. Monkeys wrestle.

Monkeys wrestle. You put two, two-year-olds in the room together, your one kid will put the other kid in the headlock. Yeah. You know what I mean? I saw it in my daughter's

four-year-old group the other day. School. It's like, dogs wrestle. I think it's like an animal thing, you know?

Yeah. It's just natural. You know, oh, it's cold. Let me put a jacket on. Let me grab your jacket and, it's just natural. You know, oh, it's cold. Let me put a jacket on. Let me grab your jacket and push you and pull you. You know, like, it's just so normal. But yeah, the moves are very similar.

The goal is to take the person down. And I think in different regions, they have different rule sets, like any grappling sport. It's very rare, like in judo, that it's a unified rule set across the globe. That's what judo makes it so's a unified rule set across the globe.

That's what judo makes it so spectacular. People forget, you know. That was the biggest thing. We talked about this in one of the earlier episodes. Yeah, man. It's an amazing thing.

Kano's biggest achievement is this standardization. Standardization. And then, you know, people bitch and complain about it. But could you imagine? Like the IJF goes, all right,

well, no more leg grabs or you can grip break with two hands and everyone does it everyone just complies and follows and does and then the sport moves forward you know and you kind of have to trust at the top people at the top are kind of doing it to propel judo sort of in the mainstream and all this stuff and then people bitch and moan about martial arts but then you get a thing like shuai jiao where you go here go there different rule sets they can't compete with each other and then the freaking thing never grows you know what i mean so you know so pro judo rules yeah yeah different rule set yeah so how so how are they different are they like do i know like kung fu you know people associate that with, you know, striking. But does Shui Jiao, any kind of flavor of Shui Jiao with striking?

Or is it just mostly... Oh, it's all grappling. It's all grappling. It's all grappling. Oh, nice. And then the one video that I saw, they're talking about the rule sets of like, hey, a lot of places, like if you touch the floor with your hand, it's over. Any part of your body touches the floor, it's over essentially.

Right. Yeah. Right. And then some European Shui Jiao organizations made rule sets to gamify, like, point systems. Ah. You touch your knee this much, if you touch your elbow this much, if you get thrown on your back this much. Right.

Kind of like Sambo, right? Sambo kind of has a similar feel. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They have the sleeves, but they have, like, the divots in the shoulder area, so you can kind of physically grab that. And then if you take them down and they go to their hands and knees it's one point and

samba oh it is okay yeah i didn't know that yeah i took down the six-time world champion with a high c he went to his hands and knees and i got one you got a point oh nice nice all right and then i got tech fall but still i took him down once and then you know uh feet to back that's three points i think and then if they go upside down and up in the air right there's there's more like if you go feet to back and you stay standing yeah i think it's a much bigger score in we're talking about sambo now uh right so shuai jiao different places different rule sets right so um so there's that and then so I remember I have a

I have a friend from college that did share a job growing up in California and then he told me a little bit about it back then and

it seems like it's more popular on the on the West Coast maybe because of the amount of Chinese immigrants there but

I don't think it's that popular man I really don't think it's popular at all and I think you need the popularity to have sort of a critical mass right to have that community base to have like you know real training and then people built around this thing you know and that's what brazilian jiu-jitsu does so well because it's so much easier on the body softer on the body everyone can do jiu-jitsu right seriously not Seriously. Everyone can do judo. You know what I mean? So now you have this many people freaking doing

it, you know? And then they innovate. Yep. They innovate. And then once you have that many people, there's resources. There's monetary resources. So you have to look at the martial arts capitalism. MAC, I like to call it, right? Because now you have resources

and then you have time in the sport where the thing grows and innovates and then low grappling pops up and this organization pops up and EVI comes out and now they're all competing for views and things and students and now you have this community

and everyone who does it kind of subscribes to this like, yeah, you know, what is this thing called? The thumb and the pinky with the surfer guys. Aloha. What is that thing? Mahalo. I don't know.

I have no idea. Old, old, old. They started doing this thing, and now they have their own language, right? Right, right. Shwajow, they don't have that. You can't go to a Shwajow school in New York, right? You can't go to Shwajow and say, oh, I went to Pennsylvania for, you know, something, for work. Dropping into Shwajow school that has the culture, the people, and I know what to expect.

It's not like that. Right, right. Judo, there's a little bit. Yeah. Even in the States. Well, we're specifically talking about the States. I'm talking like internationally. It's a completely different thing. Huge, huge. I get guys from Germany dropping in like, hey man. French guys dropping in,

hey man. I get guys from Africa, Cameroon the other day coming in like, oh, I French guys dropping in. Hey man, I got guys from Africa, Cameroon the other day coming in. Like, oh, I see your thing on YouTube. It's different. Internationally, judo is the first in terms of like population and like all the stuff people forget. That's the thing of when they drop in, they speak the language. They know all the technique names. They know all the rules.

They know the etiquette. So you can just kind of say, oh, yeah, come on by, you know? Yeah, I'm like, no Tanya Toshi to my beginners. They're like, okay, okay. Didn't even speak English sometimes. But they know Tanya Toshi. Yeah. They get it.

They're like, oh, yeah. So I guess that's why you saw most. I think when people tend to, when people ask these questions to you, like, how about this, Marshall? How about that, Marshall? They probably want you to talk about, like, the techniques and then, like,

how judo is better or worse than these or, like, whatever. But I think people forget that. It's not really. Yeah, it's like, you can't even compare. Yeah. It's going to be, if you keep doing that

you're gonna have this silly situation where there's like MMA players going to beat up old kung fu guys you know it's like

yeah yeah that nonsense I'll tell you this though I've seen some like shuai jiao guys do tai yo yeah you know

because they're very different very similar essentially the same move except instead of drawing them forward and turning they kind of like

stick out and then pull and then they go down yeah yeah and to me it's kind of silly right it's like oh your leg is outstretched you're gonna pull them down on top of your leg like it's kind of dangerous you know especially if your leg is not properly or whatever the hell it is and then when i see something like that it's like you know the teachings have not been refined because you don't have a lot of people and if doing them blowing knees. Yeah, you don't have enough people doing that and you don't have enough experts that are

time-intested, going around, doing seminars on the internet. You look up Shuai Zhao Tai Toshi, it's almost, you don't have resources for that. No YouTube videos, yeah. Yeah, there's tons of YouTube videos and people commented on it. You already have this sort of social proof situation.

Right, right right you know what i mean yeah and then so that's it's refined you know it's nuanced you know what i mean and then think funny you should mention yeah funny you should mention that because if you i i remember seeing like old pictures of uh tired people judo players doing taiyotoshi and they used to kind of do it like how you described it but then i think eventually it got refined and then we got the oh the way you whip people around your body and then over the leg is better than like yeah sticking the leg out so i think that's what that's why you need this critical mass so that people can actually dedicate time to refine it. Um, and yeah, so the whole comparison thing, I mean, maybe some people were

looking for that, but it's kind of pointless if you want to do Shai Zhao, I mean, go ahead, if you can find the place to do it, you know, it's not like, yeah, Judo hands down beats this thing, you know, without a doubt because. I am comparing it. Look at my pedigree. Okay. I'm not saying I'm this and that, but it's like, I've trained Judo with everybody in

the world. Like tons of good people. I've done Judo with Inoue, Anai, Kripalik. I fought Judo Kripalik, Kuzorzuliani from Jordan. I've done all these guys, right? I met Iliadis and he taught me his Taiyo, the way he does the Seira. I met all these people. And then my Judo is a compilation of learning from all those people.

Sometimes I'm teaching stuff that I wasn't good at, but I learned from this guy or that guy. Right. You know what I mean? And then I have good communication skills because I've done this my whole career is teaching Judo. Yeah. Now, all of a sudden, you get a guy who's good at Shui Jiao, who's been doing it for 10 years or 20 years, who's a champion in air quotes, right? Now, does he have the communication skills to be able to relay that information? Does he have exposure to that many different Tai Toshis that I have?

How many people have seen people blow their knees out doing this Tai Yo as well? I've seen like four knees in ACLs torn from bad Tai Yos. I've seen them. I've seen them. I know people who've had them. You know what I mean? So it's like, my understanding of Taiyo is so much greater than, you know,

I probably shouldn't say shit like this. I'm like, listening to myself like, wow, I sound like an arrogant asshole. Well, I think it's just kind of like, Xue Zhao, it could be, I think the big thing is that, you know,

in order to grow the sport, you need the critical mass and then all this like, people sometimes complain about the IJF and how they change the rules and whatnot, but it's kind of underscores how effective they can be, this kind of central organization. It's this whole thing of like martial arts versus sport.

Oh, they're watering it down, make it into a sport. Yeah. Yeah. If you make it into a sport, more people will do it, dude. Right? Oh, what about a guy who has a pocket full of sand that's going to throw it into their eyes? Or what if he has pepper spray?

Or what if he has a knife? You know, that it's not a martial art, then we're not even talking about the same martial art anymore. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? Or we're talking about the most deadliest training system, the best martial art. The mythical street. Mythical streets, man. Like,

okay, go find a school that trains that. Yeah. Go find one of that. And go do that, you know? Or would you rather do a sport that makes you stronger, better, faster, more athletic, all those things, more confident? You know, you're jacked in athletic. Like, no one's going to mess with you first and foremost because they look at you.

That's the first thing they look at you. Now, you're some nerd on the internet like, oh, you know, this is a sport. Watered down, blah, blah, blah. Like, somebody's going to look at you and mug you. I could make an argument like, go lift weights instead then. Yeah. And at least make it look like, you know, a little bit intimidating. That's probably the best bang

for your buck, you know? Instead of arguing with people on the internet saying Shui Zhao's title is more superior because judo is so watered down. So much more. Look at this stuff. Yeah, we hear that all the time.

So, yeah, well, anything else you found out, Shai Zhao? So other than like... I deep dove into Mongolian wrestling. You actually, Shai Zhao led you back into the... Bok wrestling. It's like one of my favorite things, Bok wrestling. And you want to know what's so cool about Bok wrestling?

They have critical mass within the country of Mongolia right right so they have this thing called Naidam it's like their annual games and they take the three most

manliest sports from Mongolia I'm not saying this I don't want to say manly or from the Mongolian perspective like their male

standard yeah put in the toxic masculinity category but they have three manliest sports you know what they are? Let me guess. So, Bach, obviously.

Wrestling. Wrestling. Horse riding. Yep. Archery. Horsemanship. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's all they do. They compete in those three events. The national event. And then, all you do is you just wrestle. No weight classes, no no time no nothing everyone

just gets in there and starts wrestling and there's a thousand people doing it and every round winners go here losers go there until you get a champion it's like 10 rounds of it oh wow yeah like a whole lot of people doing it a lot of people are training it so now they have the population to support their skills actually getting better right and then the rules essentially i mean different regions different rules but the main rule is like your hands and feet can touch the night on rule i guess yeah it's like knees elbows back anything like that you can't touch but you can put your hands down oh you can't okay yeah and i love that rule because it's like or if i drop it on a single then the person could put their hand down and try to get back up or like fight the hands off put their

hands down right that's why people try to lift people try to throw you know to get their hips touched whatever it is and wow it is such a cool sport dude and it's amazing because those people parlay those skills into sumo a lot of the grand champions in sumo in Japan are Mongolian right a lot of judo wrestling circuit Greco-Roman wrestling circuit right Mongolians are good at that

and judo like you just said yeah so then maybe China could use Shui Zhao

kind of like increase their popularity kind of does what Mongolia did with Bok and then try to follow those talents into other grappling martial arts. That could be a way. Yeah. I mean, I bet you Mongolian wrestling, more people practice that in

Mongolia per capita than China or Shui Zhao. Yeah. And notice I said per capita. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. China has so many, like so many Yeah. China has so many people. Yeah, so many people.

They have like 8 trillion people. Backtrack bash. But yeah, so this is the thing. Now there's that critical mass per capita, and then there's an avenue to gain money. They even stay in Bach. It's like people who do Bach, it elevates their spirit and their fortunes

by competing in this night out. So like there's a path to success there. And then it's not just being a grand champion. Once you're a grand champion in Bach, you're a grand champion forever, right? And then once you get to that, you can parlay that into other money-making, grappling things, right?

And then, you know, Mongolia isn't a first world country like the United States or Japan. You know what I mean? So whatever money they have to make overseas the competing in these things like it's pretty big money for that right right there's time money all these resources allocated in this sport it's concentrated yeah i mean a lot of people do it in that country so that is like a legit you know but then if someone would ask me like oh mongolian wrestling i'm gonna do that in

the united states i'm like there's no one here to do it with right that's the thing yeah who's gonna i don't even know where you will get those jackets you won't uh yeah i don't know yeah but it's cool the sport's cool and then there's all these nuanced things like how are you gonna learn you know some i would love to go to mongolia and just wrestle and learn like how am i gonna do that with like the language barrier and all this stuff? Yeah. You know? Yeah. So Shui Zhao, what do you think? And most people, what do you think? Like, it's pretty cool. And I'm sure there's people who are experts at it. There's great techniques in it,

but I think it's refined and available here in the United States to do to a level where you'll get the most bang for your buck. No, no, I really don't think so. You know, Sambo is more and more popular now you know right and all these different grappling world sets they have their own place you know but at the end of the day it's uh you know i mean look at wrestling wrestling's so popular in the united states level here is so high yeah know, you make it out of the country, you could medal in the Olympics. Yeah. That's like a thing,

like, you, you'll be better, like, you'll be better off trying to practice more popular grappling arts in the States.

Yeah, I think so. Instead of, instead of trying to like, somehow find your edge by doing something obscure. for sure. So, wrestling, judo, bjj you know no but shay

joe is still cool i mean on its own right like it's like i saw this cool video on youtube you guys see youtube and it's like the coolest shy job match of all time uh like watching them like that's zen to ride match was so much cooler you. You know, the Kyrgyzstan guys and the Kazakhstan guys that's all fighting somebody. I forgot who the other guy was. Like, that match is like,

wow, what a, it doesn't compare. Oh, they're like, kind of, flipping out of throws and stuff.

Yeah, you know, because when there's money involved, right, when there's, you know, pro martial arts capitalism, MAC,

and when there's money involved, it's going pro martial arts capitalism, MAC. And when there's money involved, it's going to draw certain people, right? Certain athletic types. You know, if there's no money in it, you know, in the U.S. there's no money, without a doubt. You know, doing judo full time. It's the athletic types who can dedicate their whole time, full time to the art. BJJ, you know, in the U.S., there's no money in it, really. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Unless you're at the very, very, very, very, very top. Very top, yeah. BJJ is getting better, it seems like. A little bit, yeah. Yeah, with the no-give stuff. There's more money, so people who do it for full-time, and then you can kind of see the exponential growth in the techniques. Yes, there's at least a dream.

Yeah. Hey, maybe, you know, if I do this at a young age, if I keep at it long enough, I could be, hey maybe you know if I do this at a young age if I keep at it long enough I could be like you know Gordon Ryan or something like this

there's at least that dream right yeah you know but then you look judo internationally you look at Teddy Renier who's you know

a national hero superstar yeah yeah different level you know what I mean yeah but yeah

I don't know if they have the same level in Shuaijiao and you know just googling it. Maybe I'm ignorant too, you know, because I'm looking at American YouTube. Yeah. Right.

Maybe there's a YouTube version of China with Shuaijiao is very popular. Maybe it's something I don't see because of, you know, all communist restrictions. Yeah. So maybe, you know, I wouldn't really listen to me too much about Shui Zhao because I don't know anything about it, really. I literally Googled it and watched videos probably about 10 minutes

prior to Peter coming out today. So it's really about my area of expertise. I have my biases. I have a lot of biases. This is more interesting. I think as, I'm probably going to title this like, oh, our first impression on Shui Zhaoo you know and you know something like that yeah and it you know we have some grappling experience shintaro a lot more than me but so we can kind of talk about in general how we feel about it this is uh uh how we feel about it but But if you guys have more information for us about Shui Zhao,

you know, you guys can send it along. And then, like, on a good way to do it. We'll do this. If we have 100 new patrons on Patreon, you can find that on Shuntorygash.com, Peter will compete in the Shui Zhao National Championships in the USA. What? That's so sad.

Where is that even? I don't even? That's so sad. Where is that? I don't know. Okay, really? Okay, if we get to 100, yeah, you guys can... It's probably, they'd probably do it in a very,

you know, Chinatown or something, somewhere. Yeah, California, maybe. They have a heavy Chinese population. In where? In California. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. A lot. There's a China, you know, Bruce Lee lived in Chinatown in San Francisco. Really? Yeah. Peter will travel to the Shuai Zhang National Championships. Okay.

And then we'll sponsor him. The podcast will sponsor him. The Patreons will sponsor him. We'll live stream it. Oh, my God. I'm'm not i haven't committed to anything but if you lose first round uh we're ending the show it's that's a lot i mean it's it there's a significant chance that that will happen yeah but yeah so one thing you could do is, you know, support us on Patreon and actually send us some Shui Jiao videos, you know.

Peter will compete at the Shui Jiao Nationals next year. Oh, that's Shintaro saying it. No, let me just Google it really quickly. Okay, ready? Shui Jiao Nationals USA. I'm sure there is one. I'm sure there is one. I'm sure there is.

What is it? Oh, three rounds. Each is two minutes and 30 seconds. What? That's a lot. Wow.

You have to train for this, Peter. I know. Three rounds of two, two and a half minutes. Oh, there's a World Cup

where is it oh I know this guy Lavelle Marshall he fought in this thing his girlfriend used to come to the dojo oh I remember him I remember her too

yeah I can't remember her name they actually moved to China to train this thing wow why did they move to China to train Shuaijiao? Because there's no Shuaijiao here.

Yeah. All right. That wraps it up. Great. We got that idea. Yeah. So I'll think about competing in Shuaijiao. Shuaijiao.

Wow. Shuaijiao. Shuaijiao. What is that? Oh, here we go. Shui Xiao. Wow. Shui Xiao. What is that? Oh, here we go. Oh, wow. Maybe there are a lot of people doing this.

Interesting. What are you seeing right now? Master Ron Stotler's Chinese Wushu Research Institute. Oh. Boca Raton Kung Fu and Tai Chi. Center for the Cultural Arts, Chinese Wushu Research Institute. Oh. Boca Raton Confluent Tai Chi. Center for the Cultural Arts, Chinese Wushu Research Institute.

Interesting. What? You got to share it with us. What are you reading? Yeah. Look at shuaijiao.org slash Team USA. Oh, Team USA.

All right. Yeah. I'm looking at a picture of Team USA Peter is coming for everyone no alright you know what I'm gonna even go

a little bit further than that Peter will compete in the open division in Shuaijia in Shuaijia crushed he's gonna show up

in a judo game too oh my god it's like a dojo break game yeah he's to show up and then he's going to also be wearing a red belt.

Who's going to give me that red belt? And then he's also going to have a little patch on the belt. You know, like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu does to signify that he's also a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

black belt as well. He's going to award himself this and then walk in. So, yeah. It's a little legit to myself. I hope I don't come off like I'm making fun of people. and then walk in. So, yeah. It's a little legitimate myself. I hope I don't come off like I'm making fun of people. You know.

No, I think we're, you know, we actually, like Shintaro mentioned briefly, we've had some people involved in Sharjah come through. Yeah. I got to say, you know, if you're a grappler, man, you're my people. Yeah. Yeah, I're my people. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel that way. I had a guy recognize my ear the other day. Oh, how good. I'm so jealous of your ears, man. He literally comes up to me at a restaurant in front of my daughter. I see him at the gym, actually, at the Equinox. And then he comes up to me and goes, hey, I know you from the gym. I'm like, yeah, what's up, man? He goes, dude.

Sick ears. You must have been a great wrestler. That's what said like well you know i dabble in it you know grapple on it you can't you got the years man yeah best yeah you know what um this very also we're going on a tangent but we'll after this we'll finish but there's a new show called physical 100 on netflix i told you about this right basically it's a korean show where they just gather 100 athletes and they're gonna compete in this odd physical competition and they're trying to pick the winner squid game no yeah right and my wife and i watching and i'm like dude i bet a grappler would win this.

A grappler. You know? No weight class. I'm looking at all these years. No weight class, man. It's like powerlifters. They're like female wrestlers. It's not fair, dude. I saw one clip from it.

It was like they're hanging off a bar. And it's like the heavier you are, the more disadvantage you are. I'd be the first to fall into the pool. My shoulders hurt. Like I'm heavy. Like, you know heavy you know gymnasts and then the rock climber, ice climber

they did well but you just watch but then I'm like I have an issue with these things they're like, the best athlete in the world ninja warrior, whatever it is and they get a 120 poundpound guy who rock climbing, like hanging off

stuff and winning. Okay, let's put that guy against the wrestler and make them wrestle. Yeah. Why would the wrestler have to compete

in that person's world of like hanging off a freaking ledge? But there are different events. So you'll see that the next event is pretty advantageous

for wrestlers. Like what? Tell me. Tell me that. I don't want to spoil it. You go watch it, man. I want your unbiased opinion. Will I do well in that second one?

Oh, yeah. In the second one, you'll do well. Yeah, dude. You gotta... I was thinking like, oh, dude, these guys suck at wrestling. Take the little guy down and then hold him down. Is that it? Yeah, exactly. I can't wait to watch it. I can't wait to watch then hold him down. That's the is that it? Yeah Watch it. I can't wait to watch it. Akiyama's in it

Japanese-Korean judoka. Yeah, he does MMA. Yeah, he still fights. He's Jack. He still fights. He's in his 40s Another tangent we gotta stop going on tangent. But you know who's coming back? Who? Wonhee Lee. He's gonna compete again. He's 42 or something. He wants to win the gold in Paris, dude. Good for him, man. Good for him, seriously. He came back.

He's like... I watched his trends the whole time. He's been coaching the women's team and then he teaches at Yongin, you know? He's like, you know but he's like you know what the best way to show these Yongins

how to do it is to compete against them and he said he'd come back did he go for Yoko Tomonage and then

last Olympics that he came back at uh no he that's a different no no so he won

in Athens and he lost to Wang Gichun at the qualifiers and then he retired. He was so mad about it. Didn't he come back

for a thing? No, no. I don't think he did. Sure about that? But then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. I'm pretty sure

because I'm a huge fan of his. But anyway, so guys, all right, we kind of went off on different tangents but shay jow great grappling heart probably hard to do in america there's not enough people doing it

but if you want to do it just go ahead but you might get it might be best better served by doing a more popular grappling art like wrestling judo and bjj that's that's messed up well you know if you it's you know if you if it's it's your interest you go ahead do it but like if you want to really just work out you know it's just hard to find it it's cool let's just say it's cool it's cool yeah um but if again we don't know much about it if you guys want to tell us about it send us some stuff the best way to do is support us on patreon and join our discord server and then send us some videos. We'll watch it and talk about it.

Maybe after learning more we'll do another episode. And Peter will compete at National Division. Oh my. This year, this year. Oh my god. An open division.

An open division, yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening, guys. And we'll see you guys in the next episode.