The Shintaro Higashi Show - Paris Judo Recap Part 1 - Teddy Riner is THE GOAT and Uta Abe's Heartbreaking Loss

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

The Paris 2024 Summer Games have just wrapped up, leaving Judo fans with unforgettable moments. From Teddy Riner’s legendary gold medal win to Uta Abe’s heartbreaking loss, this first installment of our Paris 2024 series dives into the highs, lows, and everything in between. Join Shintaro and Peter as they break down their favorite moments, the biggest controversies, and the drama that made these games truly unforgettable. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:25) Teddy Riner: The GOAT (00:06:33) Dramatic Tiebreaker Bout: Teddy Riner vs. Tatsuru Saito (00:19:13) Ryuju Nagayama vs. Francisco Garrigós Controversy (00:21:54) Uta Abe’s Heartbreaking Loss (00:23:33) Natsumi Tsunoda Puts on a Masterclass (00:24:31) Christa Deguchi vs. Huh Mi-mi: Gold Medal Match Join our Discord server and start chatting with us and other grapplers by supporting us on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Any amount helps! 10% off Judotv.com with promo code: SHINTARO Buy one get one free www.clnwash.com with promo code: SHINTARO2024

In France, Judo is so much more popular than wrestling. French obviously prefer Judo so much more. So they were saying like, oh, the French gave so much more preferential treatment to the Judo staff. Of course, I love the individual stars. I love the culture. I love the sports side, the respectable side. I like everything about it. You know, I really do.

Right? Yeah. But they have sort of this like isolationist, we're the elites of the Judo kind of a thing. And the world is really challenging that hello everyone welcome back to the shintaro higashi show peter you we have a very special episode today about the championships that's happening in the summer scared to say you know the o word because you know it's such a thing you know it's like a thing right we just thought I'd be careful you know everyone knows what we're talking what we're gonna be talking about right games it was very good yeah the games

and the five five circles yeah every four years it happens yeah influencers are getting sued now for like saying like oh yeah this is an Olympic this or that or Olympic level this or whatever it is yeah then people are getting dinged like left and right. So I'm like, all right, let's not say so much. Let's be cautious. Yeah. But overall, I thought it was like a very exciting tournament.

Very exciting. A lot of things happened, like so much drama and all that. And that's what it's about. We enjoy it. We wait for four years. We wait around and see what happens. So, um,

we can kind of go down. Like, so I, obviously I couldn't watch everything. Oh, you know, I, we,

we got stuff to do. I'll tell you, watching it is difficult because you have to get like a peacock account or an NBC streaming account. It wasn't on judo TV. I wish they did have it on judo TV. Me too. And then like peacock is TV. I wish they did have it on Judo TV. Yeah, me too. And then Peacock is not Judo focused. You can't really watch match by match like

judotv.com. Judo TV is spectacular to watch Judo. It's the best interface I've ever experienced. judotv.com, discount Coach Intaro. I wasn't saying that just to plug that. But seriously,

when you're used to that standard, watching judo on anything else or grappling on anything else, it becomes very difficult. Yeah. And I have a Peacock account, so I was able to catch most of it. And even then, it's just like trying to do the replay.

Peacock, you can do better. What was your favorite moment? Judo TV is where it's at favorite moment so my favorite moment honestly man the Teddy Renner

versus what's his name the Korean guy gosh yeah oh my god I'm blanking it'll come back

it's like Min Sung Kim or something like that Teddy Renner versus Kim Jong Un I want I want to see him Kim or something like that Teddy Renier versus Kim Jong-un I want to see him go against Kim Jong-un Kim Min-jong

I was close, I was close Kim Min-jong I knew there was a Kim in Among Oh, yeah, Kim Min-jong. Yeah, you're right That was I think was my favorite match out of the whole game Why? It was I think was my favorite match out of the whole game. Why? It was...

You know, it's kind of... So I thought Kim Min-jung was going to give Teddy some trouble. I thought so too. He's a dropper. Yeah. He's a dropper. You know, there's a height difference that you can really take advantage of.

But then, man, for Teddy to throw him emphatically like that, like, man, he is the GOAT. He really is. I mean, yeah, he's one of the best of all time. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but I kind of thought this was the time that he was going to get upset. You know, people are used to him.

He hasn't been competing as much. I figured maybe some of these guys have figured it out, but there's not too many six foot nine bodies to train with to emulate that, right? I mean, that's what people were saying, right? Like, he's just so genetically gifted and all that. So, some people are trying to tear down some of Teddy's achievements, but

I don't think that's a fair take. No, no, no. You still have to be good at judo. You still have to do judo and be good. I mean, he have to do judo because i mean he's been yeah since he's a little kid yeah and then did you want the korean apparently i mean i kind of i wanted to see some upsets here you know i mean definitely kim min-jung i mean he was seated first but at this it's still he was the underdog yeah you know and the home ground advantage and dude oh how about the atmosphere at the

stadium oh it's unbelievable they sold out and I have some insider info from some of the guys who helped set up the Olympics

and things like that you know commentators and such and in France judo is so much more popular than wrestling so I heard

there were some commentators or people who were organizers who worked on both sides of the the wrestling and judo yeah yeah yeah and the french obviously prefer judo so much more so they were saying like oh the french gave so much more preferential treatment to the judo staff and then the wrestling guys were like wrestling get out of here which i thought it was kind of funny that's fun you know macron was there too

yeah yeah he was hugging all the athletes apparently he's a big sports guy yeah so he It's kind of funny. You know, Macron was there too. Yeah. Yeah. He was hugging all the athletes. Apparently, he's a big sports guy. Yeah. And anyway, so going back to Teddy and Kim and yeah,

that's, and the way he threw, I mean, I heard that Teddy is trying to go to LA. Wow. The next one. Really?

And he's going to be old. Yeah, but you know... But we'll see what happens. Like Majane, the Cuban Greco-Roman guy that won five Olympics. Yeah, I know. He was 42.

That's... That is... And the way he retired, right? Like, he fucking wins the gold medal and then, like, takes off his shoes, dude. I love that. I always say, man,

when the wrestlers retire, they take their shoes off. Judo guys should just take their pants his shoes i love that i always say man when the wrestlers retire they take their shoes off judo guys should just take their pants off on the mat i always say i just want one guy to do it and then it'd be hilarious it's such a normal thing in wrestling like you know you win you walk off the mat and then you walk back onto the mat and everyone kind of knows what's happening everyone starts going crazy you like bend down and start untying your shoes and then it's like i tear it off leaving your shoes on the mat it's like a thing let's do that for judo maybe you could take your pants off on the mat the pants the pants they're transitioning to sambo that's what they're doing

oh okay okay a lot of retired jud from the European region do a couple of extra years that's all after they're done I'll like your friend from Italy yeah sorry thank you yeah so how what was your favorite moment you know I loved the team match and the team match Japan France you know I know there's like a they're dogging it now, right? Yeah, Japan's like up, and then France comes back and then beats Abe. And Abe Gdannou beats Takeichi. And then all of a sudden, it goes, right?

Because it's a six-person team. If it's three and three, it goes to the roulette. That's random. But it didn't seem very random to me. Because to know that I was selected, right? No, it was René. At the end? No.

Oh, René. It was 90 plus. Oh, right, right, right, right. And I think that was my favorite moment. It's like 90 plus. And I was like, that was just the moment that that happened. I knew it was going to happen. I was just sitting there watching.

I was like, all right, someone, you know, man, that would be incredible if 90 plus gets selected. And then Teddy Renner would be a megastar. Or Saito comes out and then wins it for Team Japan. And that would have been, either way, man, it was the most spectacular setup. For like the most glorious, like, because it would be the last match of the games. For all of judo I did I really wanted to watch

Saito vs. Teddy too yeah and then it happened and that was my favorite moment obviously I didn't like and you know for me

it's a lose-lose there you know what I mean for you? yeah it's like I wasn't you know why?

I don't know man I like what do you say there? I kind of like I love Japan don't get me wrong yeah but I love this outcome for the entirety of the games because hayter of right the uzbeks yeah yeah the kazakhs yeah yeah and then all these guys who are from these like smaller former soviet

countries had a lot of success and i think it's good for the sport i think it's great for the sport if japan wins every single medal across the, it's more even. A lot of non-Koreans win. Actually, a lot of Middle Eastern countries are really good at Taekwondo. And that's not good for Korea, but that's good for the sport. But that's what we want ultimately, right?

We want to be beneficial to everyone. Dude, look at like IBJJF, Jiu-Jitsuitsu or the adcc every single champion was brazilian for the longest time brazilian now it's us us and brazil that's it yeah how is it going to be a global sport if only two countries are winning every single medal yeah you know what i mean it's not yeah then you'll argue like oh yeah craig jones is from australia that's one guy you know we're talking like years and years of just like all right what country's going to be competitive the olympic dividend all this stuff and the nocs and the money behind it and then the sponsorships and then does the country give a shit about it

you know you look at tajikistan it's one of the biggest sports over there judo massive and then you get a tajikistan champion you know what a good thing for the sport, for the country. Yeah. You know, look at Georgia. Like Kosovo, you know. Kosovo, yeah, for sure. Yeah, small place. They're a mega powerhouse.

And judo. Judo powerhouse, Kosovo. So, pretty amazing thing. Even, like, look at Netherlands. They have so many judo schools. Oh, yeah. Which I'm doing a tour over there. Yeah. Seven back-to-back seminars I'm doing.

Dude, I saw that schedule. Man, I'm like, dude, you're global now. I mean, global in some areas, you know what I mean? But that's the good thing about judo, right? You can't just be in your backyard. Oh, judo is so popular in my backyard and that's it. So I'm always mixed feelings about Japan winning everything. Of course, I love the individual stars.

I love the culture. I love the sports side, the respectable side. I like everything about it. You know, I really do, right? Yeah. But they have sort of this, like, isolationist,

we're the elites of the judo kind of a thing. And the world is really challenging that. You know? Yeah. And I think it's a good thing. I think it's a beautiful thing. So, do I just want Japan to win everything? No.

You know what I mean? And do I think Saito was ready to beat Renair? I don't think he was. I don't think he was. No, like the way Kim In-jung threw Saito, man. Yeah, and you know, Tushishvili. He's young, he's got out yeah yeah all the tier two guys

at the 100 plus not tier two but like not rene all the guys competing underneath right i'm talking like to saw have uh to shish yeah grand uh just all these different guys like they're all kind of in the mismatch like you know mix yeah all the mix you know yeah it's just slightly a little bit better and then so yeah you know i also wanted to see france win this thing also in their home country you know it was uh it was very mixed a lot of emotions for me too even though i have no like allegiance to france or do i even care about i like french fries that's the extent of this thing. You know what I mean? But like, boy, what a story for judo, you know? In a country like France, you meet a French guy, you know, out and about, and that guy knows judo.

Seriously. I've been in like bars and stuff, and I've talked to French girls, and the French was like, oh, do you do judo? And there's a note from my ear. I'm like, yeah, do you know judo and then there's a note from my ear and I'm like yeah do you know anything about it

and he's like oh yeah you know my brother do and then and then and then it's like that's a cool thing

as opposed to an American it's like what do you do karate or something you know yeah it's like and then they'll do

the chop yeah man pop off take those guys down you know yeah I have the same similar story too

like I have a French co-worker right now in my internship it's not at all like he's an AI researcher he he loves paragliding that's his thing but when I was uh I was like using some Olympic stuff in my presentation and he saw that and he's like oh you should maybe say how many Hanegoshi's did the guy perform like what the hell you know Hanegoshi yeah it's like this random guy yeah and it's like it's like in the lingo yep like French people know

Hanegoshi you know yep anyway so that was one of my favorite moments just the roulette hitting 90 plus and Saeko getting a third third shot ever there yeah you know and I saw him recently at the worlds to losing to her there yeah yeah I saw the aftermath at the world championships Abu Dhabi where Saito was sitting there crying you know I was able to talk to momose his coach the heavyweight coach and he was like yeah we had a plan where he wouldn't go collar because he doesn't want the upper body you want to keep his head away and then grab the belt and then do a lot of Ochi from there,

which he didn't really do this time. So having that access to the coaches at the Worlds, seeing what they're talking about in preparation, Saito losing, seeing the emotional aftermath, and then seeing the decisions being made to kind of plan for the games and then still losing to him and then coming back up

with a third time, you know, for the representing match for the team, like, you couldn't have written a better story, man.

You know? That must be so brutal to Saito. Yeah. But, you know, I would love to see this story continue. You know?

Yeah. And Saito just gets shredded to the bone love to see This story continue You know Yeah And Saito just gets Shredded to the bone Just absolute jacked Like a monster I know He looks kind of soft He's a big boy But he's soft

Yeah And I just wanted to see him Just absolute beast mode Come back Yeah Four years from now Maybe LA You know

Put him on Some trend T Whatever it is Like let him get Juiced Kick him off the roster For two years let him retire it clanned trend hard that's right yeah get him yoked up out of his mind and then let him just steamroll

bomb and you know the Saito story is beautiful man like you know his dad is a legend and his dad died yeah and then I watched one of the documentaries when they interviewed him, because he's a Kukushikan guy. Saito is both a Kukushikan guy. My father was first gen. Yeah. Saito, Saito. We all come from the same lineage, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. So, like, a lot of our philosophies and training methodologies are very similar. But, yeah, his dad, Sait saito was an absolute savage and you know the kid said he hated judo for a long time you know and then his dad died that could happen yeah and then all of a sudden he started to love it and then little by little he's like this is what i'm destined for and this is what i gotta do and here's this big bad monster that's just been destroying all the japanese and I'm gonna return to Japan the glory of

heavyweight judo you know in honor of my father you know what I mean and he didn't quite do it it hasn't happened in a while so if Teddy Veneer continues for another

four years and then Saito comes back and beats him and then they'll be I'm choking I was just thinking about it

so the story's behind this stuff and being close to the kakushikan lineage seeing momose who I chat with every now and then you know on Instagram and such and I don't know man being I feel like I'm on the sidelines watching this thing unfold and it's a beautiful story really is yeah this is a side comment before and we're gonna go through all the lists like uh all the games that we want to talk about but you know uh maybe the ijf should do like a netflix show you know uh about the f1 like oh yeah and then like uh premier league has a show that where they follow a team for a season and golf has it yeah you know like they follow the whole yeah so and then it increases the popularity more because yeah people get to see stories that

you were talking about all these like backstories about the struggle you know and then it's like it's better than movies you know oh so yeah you got to hear saito stories the old saito yeah there's like uh interviews in japanese on youtube about like suzuki talking about the older saito stories the old saito yeah there's like uh interviews in japanese on youtube about like suzuki talking about the older saito and he would say like yeah yeah he's another legend olympic champion he would come in and say like oh he would come to the dorms at nine o'clock after curfew and then we would go put on a gi and we would look at like right versus left collar hand, like right by the collar ball, half an inch up, half an inch up, half an inch up. Strategizing. Yeah.

When would you accept this position? If the guy is taller and then had this position, you know, when would you accept it? Yeah. When would you keep it? You know, if he's taller than you by this tall, then the hand goes down half an inch. Do you feel the same? Do you not feel the same? And then they would go until 2 a.m., right? And this nerding out yeah nerding out there was this thing like if you

train past 2 a.m you didn't have to do the 6 a.m training that was the thing oh so there would always be a hard stuff at 2 a.m and like 159 suzuki would be like saito like ah let me oh can we go over that one thing like how you throttle the sleeve hand? And he goes, nope, that's a conversation for tomorrow. Oh, it's 1.59, good night, and he'll run out of the dojo. So they can make it to 6 a.m. So he has to make it to the 6 a.m. And every now and then, it'll work, right?

And then he'll be like, all right, let me show you this sleeve-on thing. And then he'll go like this, and then all of a sudden, he'll keep him until like 3, 4 in the morning, and then he could miss 6 a.m practice and sleep in but he goes 90 of the time the guy would show up every single day during the weekday and then stay until 2 a.m and then obviously it wouldn't be hard training because he's doing 6 a.m training he's doing weight lifting running judo from freaking 3 p.m on to 7 p.m and then weight training yeah so it can't be like an intensive workout but a technical workout concentrated from like 9 p.m to 2 a.m every day forget it you know and there's stories like that and then that's why you know suzuki was who he was

big saito was who he was and then he passed and now suzuki has taken the rungs at the kukushikan university he's also a Japan coach. And now Tatsuru Saito, Saito's kid, is coming up and through. And then Suzuki's student, Momose, is teaching Saito now. Saito Jr. My father's from that lineage, which is really cool. And I'm the biggest reject out of all of them. No, no, no.

You're contributing so much. YouTube sensei, that's what I am. You know what I mean? What a freaking story, right? Yeah, what a story, right? So, all right. We're going to quickly go through some of the matches I saw. Obviously, I'm going to miss some,

but these are the matches I thought were good, and then gonna See if You know What Shintaro thought about it too So Nagayama and Garigos From Spain I believe Yeah The controversy The choke incident

Yeah very controversial And if you haven't watched it Yes Garigos Had a choke In He was choking Yeah

Nagayama And the referee says Mate And then Garigos Kept choking him And then Yeah Nagayama stops Stop referee says mate and then Garigas kept choking him and then Nagayama stops rolls over

because he heard a mate stops defending and gets choked unconscious and the ref's like I don't know that's like such a it's brutal I don't

so you I probably told this story in the podcast but you know I was kind of in the same similar situation except I got saved by the bell. Yes! The guy let go.

You remember? I remember that. So Gary goes, did the right thing and choked the guy out. My guy stopped. And then I threw him for a hip-hop later. Yeah, it's very hard. Let me tell the story. Peter's fighting this guy at a local tournament. And then he goes for a hip-hop later. Yeah, it's like, it's very hard. Let me tell the story. Peter's

fighting this guy at a local tournament and then he goes for a drop saying this guy starts cinching

in a choke and then Peter taps really softly on the guy's hand and then he stops. The ref doesn't

see it. The ref doesn't see it. He stops and stands up and pumps his hands in the air and then

the ref's like what's going on? He tapped and Peter just sat there like nope. I didn't say anything. And he puts his hands in the air. And then the ref's like, what's going on? He tapped. And Peter just sat there like, nope. I didn't say anything. Didn't say anything.

It's not my job to say anything. He just sat there, walked back to the line, got in a stance. And some of his guys were like, he tapped, he tapped. Yeah. And then you threw him into the TV. Yeah, he got so mad. He threw him into the TV yeah he got so mad he threw me into the TV and then and then later he got gas so I threw him and I pinned him I threw him to wazari and then pinned him like he hates you more humiliating I hate you I hope he's listening right now if you're listening man leave it in the comments

I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry like sorry. Like, I'm sorry. But I got to play the game, you know? You know, I'm so sorry. But yeah, same thing happened. Same thing happened, but Gargos did the right thing. And honestly, I can't blame the guy. I mean, there's no malicious intent here. Like, it's just like a very delicate a game yeah yeah but it was a little bit

controversial you know i don't even know yeah what the saver dude people were like oh ref is this and that yeah i don't know man oh it's like it's tricky they're still friends yo i mean cargo sim you know yeah but what a way to lose an Olympics. You know what I mean? I know. Yeah. It's sad. I mean, on the other hand, you get like Abe, Uta, who, you know, hasn't lost in five years and gets slammed by Keldia Rova. Yeah, it was, I mean, yeah, let's actually talk about that. Like, Abe's devastating, I mean, Uta's devastating loss.

Yeah. It was like a clean Tani Otoshi though. And you know what? People were like, oh, she wasn't paying attention. She just got caught. I disagree with that because she was going 2-on-1. It looked like she was running for a kataguruma, right? So then bang, and then she stuck her head down, changed levels,

and then she wrapped her hand around the waist and switched to the opposite direction. is a really really beautiful technical thing that keldia rova did you know and it wasn't yeah i mean she's number one in the she's number one in the world too like she's no yeah like beginner nope and i saw her at the world championships keldia rova i like her she's out there she's fierce. She works hard. Loved it. Loved it. It was really sad on Japanese TV because they hyped her up so much.

Yeah, and then they replayed her crying on the mat side. Oh, she was wailing. Absolutely. It's not even a cry. She was screaming. Yeah, she was literally having a mental breakdown almost. Mental breakdown. I mean, can you imagine

the burden on her? Yeah. Poor thing. I mean, she's strong, but just like, that's judo. Yeah, it really is judo, man.

Judo's tough, you know. It's one little, yeah, like one little, yeah. Such a difficult sport. And I,

and I wanted to talk about Tsunoda. Yeah, dominant. She is so Little Yeah Yeah Such a difficult sport And I And I wanted to talk about Tsunoda Yeah Dominant She is so I don't know how Just

She's You could say She spans Tomoyanage But I don't even know How she does it Like she like Just sits down Yeah

Like she basically Like kind of pulls guard And then like Yeah Tips everyone over So BJJ people, if you want to like get better at guard pulling, you actually need to watch to know that.

That lady is, yeah. It's a fine line between Tomoe Nage, guard pulling and doing a balloon sweep. You know what I mean? Or an overhead sweep. Very fine line. They're almost the same thing. You know, it's a spectrum

it's just amazing how she does it like maybe you should do like a follow-up on her techniques i don't know i gotta do some more technical i never like other people when she pulls it like i don't even i was like there's no way she could pull this up and somehow she does yeah yeah all right so next is uh one we talked about wuta and then i thought deguchi versus hamimi match was like they were so evenly matched i think that was one thing like a lot of people who don't follow judo regularly watch the final matches and they think judo is boring yeah because they're so evenly matched. So if you want to see spectacular Ippos,

you actually want to watch like the earlier matches. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Then they'll bomb each other then. But anyway, Daeguchi Hominbi, it's kind of,

Daeguchi has a good story too. Great story. She was coming up in Japan, but she decided to move to Canada. Her, I believe her father or No, no, her father is from Canada. Her father is from Canada. Okay, okay. And then to move to Canada. Her father or her mother is Canadian? Her father's from Canada.

And then they moved to Japan. So they live in Japan as a family. And then she trains there. But Klimkate, who was also top of the world. So Deguchi and Klimkate are number one and two in the world, respectively. Not just in the weight class, but in all of world judo. Because they

were competing so much for the slots, that they have more points than anybody else on the roster. Deguchi had over 10,000 points on the world ranking list. Oof. Yeah. So, you have Deguchi who's not really Canadian because she doesn't live in Canada, train in Canada. She lives in Japan and trains in Japan. Versus Klimkate who... I thought she did live in Canada, no?

No. She still trains in Japan. She still lives in Japan. Oh, okay, okay. And, Klimkate, you have a true Canadian, you know? Yeah. And then the world championship results were going to determine who goes. Oh, yeah.

Yes. And then they met in the final, right? No, I think they met in the semis or something like that. Maybe they didn't even meet in the semis. One of them didn't make it through, but the Gucci made it to the finals and won. Yeah. I'm friends with her father now great guy he's a photographer for Judo Canada also oh okay

interesting family so that's how Deguchi made it in the back end of the IJF I'm commentating, I'm walking around in the back and then Deguchi's dad is out there with the camera shooting action shots for Judo Canada very friendly guy yeah awesome guy yeah so but yeah man the Gucci went out there just even get there was like you know what a journey right it's like climbing Mount

Everest going down Mount Everest going down to the Grand Canyon come back up and swimming across the ocean yeah yeah especially like competing against the clinton on points yeah you know and uh even clem kate made a post about like i didn't make it but you know the sport yeah and that christophe post on instagram got so many likes and comments and it was like one of the most heartbreaking things right yeah and you know i'm a fan of the gucci uh but boy yeah that was just kind of heartbreaking to and you know it's on uh you experience stuff like this everybody and it's relatable yeah because if you've done some sort of judo competition you've experienced loss you lost the guys who should have lost to yeah or shouldn't have lost to you go to

a tournament losing the semis whatever it is you know it means the world to you and yes it's not the olympic game but you try to make it right and then you fight at your level and then not quite making it or coming up short or the feeling of winning and then coming out on top like there's just so much emotion to it your ego's tied to it your identity's tied to it it's so relatable obviously this is on a much bigger scale but seeing these guys go through it real time from the sidelines you're just like wow man like yeah you get inspired you know yeah beautiful thing yeah you know she krista has been on the scene for a while like she came out as a teenager like you know doing so well in international tournaments and Homi-mi also has a very cool story she's actually what they call a Zainichi

Kankokujing like Korean Japanese right she actually grew up in Japan but her grandmother asked her to represent Korea so she decided that yeah Kim Jisoo's also like that too right cuz she speaks Japanese a lot of An Chang's name is also yeah Zainichi Korean I mean it kind of makes sense like they get the best like is also like that too right because she speaks a lot of anchan name is also yeah korean um i mean it kind of makes sense like they get the best like judo training yeah in japan and then they come over and you know so but there's some like culture exchange there but i thought the match was like they were so evenly matched and man like so people hated the shiro decision at the end because it didn't end in a throw. I don't know.

We can talk about it, but did you watch the match? The Hobi-mi at the end? Yeah, I did. It's like a fine line. We'll talk about this Shido issue later. I think that was a lot of people talked about.

We'll do part two. I got a... I got a... Yeah. I got a... Yeah. Oh, you got a... I got a thing. All right. So, yeah, I think

so we'll end there. He has to... Shintaro has to rumble. Yeah, there was so much to talk about, so we'll do part two. This will be part one. And, yeah.

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