The Shintaro Higashi Show - The Beauty of Foot Sweeps

Episode Date: August 16, 2021

Foot sweeps are a thing of beauty, and there is a reason why they exist in many different martial arts, not just Judo. In this episode, Shintaro and Peter go in depth about foot sweeps: What are they? How do they work? Why are they so beautiful? Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

hey guys welcome back to the shintaro higashi show with peter yu today we're going to talk about foot sweeps this is a very interesting one very oftenly misunderstood right it's a very very interesting thing it's not just judo specific it's wrestling bjj every grappling art even like striking arts have like oh i was like muay thai does and i was watching the olympics with karate they do karate does foot sweeps competitions and yeah they they were trying to foot sweep each other dude it's the ultimate dream right just to take someone and sweep them off their feet and just take them right down right just like using your legs like even when you're a kid you know you remember that like guy does a back spinning kick and then you like duck down

spin and kick like it's in every kid's dna yeah yeah or like when you were in gym class when you're jogging you try to knock their back foot out oh yeah them you guys ever do that yeah of course yeah yeah well it's because peter was a bully so i think a lot of times when you start any grappling arts you people tend to focus on big big moves like in big wrestling like you know the double leg blasting double blast doubles and in judo all this huge eat bone you know four throws but like you say these foot sweeps are once you get them like they they're the thing of beauty you know it's yeah yeah it's so timing oriented and i always talk about this right there's timing oriented attacks

and then power oriented attacks where you kind of force through stuff. And of course, every technique has a degree of timing, every technique has a degree of force, right? If you look at the foot sleep, when you're using, right, your adductors, like, they're not very powerful muscles, you know, but they're not like a glute muscle or something like this, you know, so the force of you reaping a leg in osoto is different from the force of you trying to move someone's leg across their body using your feet right so naturally it's going to lean more toward the timing spectrum right spectrum and in that sense i think it in that sense you can kind of say foot sweeps are more practical than a lot of this big throws like in it's super practical because if you look at it from like a risk reward situation you go for it you miss it's not a big deal right right it's very hard for someone to just time a foot sweep like a counter you know don't get me wrong people do this and people specialize in this right especially in judo but it's like if you don't know what a foot sweep looks like and then you swing in it and you're just timing it and then if you go for it

you miss you know it's not really that big of a deal right right right and then sometimes you miss and then there's weight on that leg and it's not moving you just kick him in the leg and it's like ah you could use to set up bigger moves yeah yeah that's right if it's semi works then it's like you kind of knock him off balance and you could go for the bigger attacks after yeah and then you so risk reward is great right and it forces your opponent or your partner to be on your timing rather than you be on your time yeah yeah yeah and also it also caters to like the natural human instinct of like use my upper body to lock the person up and grab them right that's just everyone has more coordinated upper body right and people want to rely on their

upper body strength because strength and coordination together is two big things right right that's why naturally people want to lock up and when you lock up upper body what's available for attack right your feet right right so it caters to people on many many many different levels but it's hard to understand you know and it's hard to take advantage of i I think, because, you know, it's unnatural too, at the same time. Right. And so let's kind of dive into the basic ideas of mechanics on, uh, behind the foot sweeps. Yeah. So what you said, you already mentioned the timing. So maybe how, how can people work on that timing? Yeah. Like what would be a good way? This is the thing about the foot sweeps, right?

Generally, there's two kinds of foot sweeps. The first and most popular one that you always kind of see is when the weight comes off the foot, right? That leg is light. If the weight is on the foot, that leg is heavy. Right, right. When the weight is on that leg, it's not going anywhere. that weight leg is heavy right right when weight is on that leg is not going anywhere so you're trying to time it so that the weight shifts off that lead leg into the back leg and then you try to clip it right as the weight comes off the leg generally right that's that's one way

so it's manipulating your opponent's weight from leg to leg and taking advantage of the shift in between the legs right because you know humans are bipeds right we're right still walking and then when you walk think about thinking about it's like you're shifting your weight from one foot to the other right and when you're anticipating that foot to be underneath you as a base of support and it's not there then you bounce yeah yeah then you fall right i mean but this is the thing like people are very very good at walking around you know people are good at being on their feet right we're not like apes right we're spend all day on our feet trying not to fall down stepping over curbs stepping on banana peels like getting in and out of the car you're on your feet all day right right so people are naturally good at this so unless you time it

perfectly people can whoops you know shift their weight over to the one leg and then replant that other leg right right that's why timing is so important so how how do you how would someone like learn that timing really it's it's you you think it's just drilling and like what do you think yeah a lot of it is drilling a lot of it is slowing it down you know people when they try to learn something new they try to go so fast and there's a lot of coordination involved because not only are you just trying to time the feet but as you time the feet the weight shifts off that lead leg and you're moving that leg out across the body right as soon as it happens you have to pull the person down toward that base that you just took out from underneath them right and without that the person could step

over it right so it's not it's not just the foot it's not no that's the feet yeah yeah it's the hands and feet so it's like using the hands to create movement movement is created attacking that leg and then once you're moving that leg because it's light now you're pulling them over that i say you've taken out right so in order to do this it requires a lot of different moving parts your feet have to do the right thing your hands have to do the right thing and Your hands have to do the right thing. And if you yourself lose balance, you can't apply this force to your opponent.

Therefore, you need to be able to keep your balance. So as soon as you lose your balance, it's gone. Right, right, right. So if you're learning this new skill, you have to kind of go really, really slow. And it's like one, two, sweep on three. And you're moving this sweeping on three motion and then using your

arms at the same time so you have to be able to coordinate and make the shapes of this technique that's why like dancers tend to be really good learners when it comes to some of the basic movements of the throw right right you show a dancer tai otoshi they're gonna be able to do it immediately oh you go like this you go like that you go like that oh right okay how hard is that you know it's like oh well it gets harder when you try to throw someone that's resisting and then you get into this whole thing i see so yeah i i definitely uh you know when when i followed you to that ballet class back in the day i yeah that's right like the kind of like or like i took salsa back in the day and then then, you know, that kind of cooperative setting. As a dancer, you really need to understand your partner's weight shifts so that they don't fall.

But the goal is different here. But like the mechanics is like, I think, I guess. Here's a good one for everybody. When you're dancing, you're grappling with only yourself. How cool is that? I'm just kidding. That was a joke kind of yeah so yeah foot sweeps timing oriented a lot of uh you know there's a lot of technique behind it so you have to go slow go slow that's like my main philosophy for learning period you have to go slow and you have to be able to time it right right and you have to have a cooperating

partner because if you're going to get swept on two and you know you're going to get swept on two it's a natural tendency for humans to be able to replace that base and then catch a balance right so if the person is not completely being a neutral movement partner then you're not going to be able to time it also if you have a partner that's trying to help you time it right and then you know you're trying to go on and then they kind of mistime it themselves like there's a lot of uh you know back and forth that can potentially happen that can kind of ruin the learning process not ruin it but like make it very difficult for you to actually get it and once you do get it like when you're drilling back and forth back and forth back and forth it's very difficult to know did i actually get this technique or did this person

let me time it did they the person know that it was coming right so now there's like a little bit of a discrepancy between like training in a cooperative setting right and then once you have the knowledge you know me and you were working kochi inside uh small reap and deashi foot sweeps and stuff like that we know it's like if we miss time than that because when you're my partner you're taking normal steps and you're stepping on cadence like you're stepping on one two three four five right so hitting kochi on two one two kochi deashi on three right as the like right kochi wasn't insufficient right right i'm circling one circle two outside deashi three osoto something. Right. And then we both have that sort of rhythm, that tempo in our head. Right.

But if two people aren't good at this, they're capable of recognizing this type of tempo, then now all of a sudden it's like, oh, this worked. They just did it right. They're just kind of working at their legs, basically. Yeah. And it's almost like chance. It's like you're throwing dice. You guess three.

Oh, it works sometimes. You get three, sometimes six. Sometimes it's like a four, and you're like, nah, goddammit. And then it's like a five, and you call five, and it's a five, and it works. You're like, oh, I think I did something right. It's like, how do I replicate this consciously? Very, very difficult, right? Yeah, for me.

You have to be super in tune with the opponent. Right. That's the key there for the de-astrate. It's like you can make the shapes all you want, but if the timing is not given to you or the timing is not proper, it's not going to work. I think that's a very important point. It's not just about you doing the right thing.

Your partner has to let you feel the right timing. Try not to just walk normally, I guess. Yeah, and i mean you know try not just walk normally i guess you know yeah and it's hard to do because you walk normally yes you know you're the foot ground's going to be underneath you right take an instance coachy uh ground's not going to be underneath you because they're going to pull your feet out from underneath you right right right it's like the equivalent of like you ever been in class and then like someone's sitting down in a chair and then you pull that chair off i know yeah not a good feeling done not a good feeling oh you had it done to you yeah i mean i guess everyone has had it done to them at some point right i've done

it before too i think yeah it's hilarious it's fun but it's not a good feeling you know that's like your your heart kind of sinks you know oh yeah but if you know it's coming it'll never work exactly exactly that's essentially the same sort of a thing yeah so i guess the trust between you and your partner is important too they're like oh yeah the person's not gonna just take you out you know yeah but so then another question i actually had was um you know when when i first learned judo i didn't learn foot sweeps first. I did the classical teaching, they teach you the big throws, the major throws first. But I've heard from someone that it's actually better to teach beginners foot sweeps before the big throws. Who said that?

I remember, I think it was like a judo forum in korea they were like oh you should they should teach them uh they should teach beginners footstreet first so that they are have this little setup techniques first before the big throws you agree with that yeah no yes and no and it always comes out to depends right it's like like if the teacher can teach it in a safe way, then yeah. And I always say teach something that you're very knowledgeable with first. And then if you can teach them safely, that should be first, right? If you never do Osorogari ever and you're not known to do Osorogari, and then that shouldn't be the first technique you teach your students.

Right. If you can't have them drill it safely, especially when people are chopping at the knees, right? It's kind of like the worst one you could teach yeah right it requires balance i mean there's so many different philosophies right right really is teacher dependent you know some people i've heard say like well i heard some people me i said it's like maybe you should teach techniques with both feet on the ground first always uh-huh ogoshi koshiguruma right because those natural like when you're standing on two legs you have two supports of base like it takes balance out of the equation you know as i say

this i teach osoto as to beginners all the time because you know a lot of that is like it looks cool and it's under easy to understand right right put the person on one leg right and then you reap that leg and then you show it and they're like oh my god right so like it's more so because of that that i teach a soto because it's like easy to understand oh that's how it works okay off balance two legs one leg weight on it reap it head goes down right right right so like that's the reason why i teach it but it's not really sort of the best right right in order to do it and it's something that people could start immediately drilling without any sort of, then you say, don't kick the leg, right? Now we're talking about like, what's the best move to teach first?

Yeah. Right. And then foot sweep is another one that's, I don't think it's a good one to teach beginners right away because, you know, you reap too high, you kick the knee inward. Right. The knee's very, very weak going in that direction. I see. I see.

Right. It requires so much balance so much coordination it's just almost impossible for the average white belt to just come in and get it right and when they don't get something they get frustrated and then now all of a sudden yeah it'll be the equivalent to like you know you're walking into ballet and the first thing you say all right we're gonna do a pirouette first first thing and it's frustrating because you're not gonna get it right most people most people won't get it right not me yeah you got that right away such an athlete such an athlete so yeah that's uh yeah

go ahead so yeah you think so what you're saying is foot sweeps are pretty advanced like they are not advanced yeah it's not easy you know and a lot of people don't really understand why or how you know and uh it's a tough tough technique to teach i think you know and there's a lot of different ways to teach it for instance most of the time when we talk about foot sweeps you're thinking about your leg going across your body right right from the outside to the inside outside to the inside but there's techniques where the legs go in the opposite direction but it's like ochigari right right or osoto where it's more glute dominant using the back of your right your butt right right backwards right so there's a hooking motion involved there right kochi also you can do kochi with the leg straight you can go kochi gake where your leg is bent right right right and then if you look at the opponent's feet, there's two legs.

You could attack it from the insides, right? Or you could attack it from the outsides. Outsides, yeah. So now, all of a sudden, if you look at it that way, right? Inside, inside, outside, outside. Moving it across. Two de-ashi, foot sleeps outwards. Inside trip, inside strip.

Small and big. And then you take the different variations you do gake right when you bend the knee right right so kochi gake where you pull that heel kosoro gake we bring the heel backwards to you and now you got ochi and osoro which sort of have similar good dominant movements right so that's kind of uh yeah so now all of a sudden you have like eight sweeps or leg bags, right? And they're technically kind of sweeping movements, right? Which can be a sweeping motion, right? You're sweeping that leg.

A lot of the times you transition into hopping thing and you go into another thing. But yeah, there's a lot of different types of foot sweeps. So it's like classically when you think foot sweep, you think movies. Right, right. Guy throws a punch, you duck it boom grab them and then you kick your legs out from underneath them and it can be done right right right yeah there are a lot of but there are a lot of this again the reality is that they're uh yeah the sweeping motions that a lot of combinations and yeah so it's it's almost like hard to keep track of all these things as a beginner like yeah it's i don't that's why i wouldn't recommend teaching it to a beginner because there's so many different types of foot

sweeps so many different types of setups so many different time it's just gonna confuse it as opposed to osotogari yeah there's a bunch right there's like right first right right first left cross body this and that but it's like hey this is what osotogari looks like stand right here pull the person onto that leg reap it boom right done so it really is simple i guess it's better to better for them to like better to help them realize on their own why they need foot sweeps like as as they start doing more randori they'll notice that you can't just go for big throws right away yeah and timing stuff yeah and timing you know that's a really good teaching tool because it's about me and you yeah what am i doing wrong what am i doing wrong is one of the questions i get the

most right right but a lot of the times when you're trying to learn something new it's like not what you're doing wrong it's like what is the other person doing wrong right right person's going for ipan senagi the other person doesn't want to get thrown so they're stepping around it and it's like ah i'm not able to like load them on my back like am i not throwing my hips across am i not pulling it off it's like no your partner's just stepping around it right right it's like wait a minute though but if i can't do this to a guy who's resisting lightly how am i going to throw somebody in real life it's like you got to be able to do this in a cooperative setting before you could throw someone that's kind of resisting and you know doing the technique on a skilled opponent versus

unskilled opponent that's a whole nother bag of right right stuff too right so yeah it's a good teaching clue if you know all this stuff and you already have it organized in your head as a teacher then it's going to be a lot easier to teach right foot sweeps i think come a little bit later i see nice right and you could kind of throw it in there here and there like god goes this way trailing like the ashi into osoto right so now you're introducing like little big combinations small attacks the big attacks right right chip away at their balance and go for the bigger things nice yeah yeah so let's uh switch gears and talk about other grappling arts a little bit because um so when I did when I wrestled in high school my coach didn't really teach me for sweeps we're just going for the big

ones like single leg double leg and he did teach us uh fireman's characters that was his thing yeah but in your as a wrestler accomplished wrestler as yourself like did you use yeah but you wrestling college and whatnot we talked about in another episode yeah wrestling college is all state but yeah yeah so they um uh did you use a lot of foot sweeps or like did you i did yeah i did any differences between judo foot sweeps and wrestling foot sweeps? I mean, the posture is different. Right. So the opponent's legs are much farther away.

Right. And if you're kind of like willy-nilly throwing your legs out there to attack the legs and the person has a deeper stance, they're going to just reach down and grab it. Right, right, right. And it used to happen to judo all the time too. Right, right. And the nature of having the gi on and the distance of you fighting is different for wrestling. Right, right. Right? Because judo, once you have an advantageous position, you have these handles to hold on to.

So once you're in a position, it's going to stay there. It's sticky. Right, right. I have a good, strong grip on the sleeve and a good, strong grip on the collar. We're locked in there. We're not going anywhere right but a good strong grip on the wrist and like a me holding your head here that got in an instance against somebody who knows how to fight for position right right they call it hand fighting right so these movements and attacking the foot sweeps like they're a lot

more fleeting so i think it's a lot more like boom attack it right away right as opposed to like judo where it's like you kind of like set it up stay in there fix stuff and then move the feet and then go for a dash you go for something else right so that that's sort of like the difference between wrestling foot sweeps and judo foot sweeps i see they have very very close similarities right like if you watch russian style wrestling they do a lot more throws upper bodies the thing about wrestling style is because of the collegiate scholastic rule set it's shaped in a different way right you don't get rewards for big big arching throws right right right so like in freestyle greco you lock somebody up and then you launch them head

right you get points yeah you get rewarded for this and wrestling in college in high school you don't get rewarded for that in america in america in america yeah so that's why naturally people specialize in you know the higher yield sort of takedown like in wrestling if you miss a throw and you give up your back and freestyle like there's a slip rule right at all he went for a throw he missed it doesn't count as a takedown i don't know if that's still the case right right that was for a long time but like in high school college wrestling you go for a throw you miss you give it back you lose two points right right right so people aren't likely to go for it it's just better to shoot in on the legs right right so now all of a sudden you have a bunch of specialists in wrestling who have made careers on basic single leg high c double legs

right and now all of a sudden foot sleeps aren't really a thing yeah yeah you don't see that many people who specialize in them right so now those are the most common shots right double leg single leg high c right so now all of a sudden you go for those shots right you obviously hand fighting and stuff that goes without saying you miss you fail the person has you in a front headlock position front headlock position is a great position to be in for grappling everyone should know it not so prevalent in judo because of the rule set right right but when you're head to head here with the front headlock one person's controlling the head and then the other person's fighting for position there and you're attacking for the stuff

your feet are really far away it doesn't get more far away, especially when you get the half bend at the waist. So now, that's one of the most common positions in wrestling. Foot sweeps aren't really there for that. Right, right. So it's natural for wrestling to not have specialty in foot sweeps because of that reason. I see. I see. Yeah. And you know you're never there,

so it doesn't matter. Right. But you still see... You're a lot more upright. Then the feet are closer to each other yeah yeah but do you do you still see like a place in even like i'm just talking about folk style wrestling in america do you see a place oh yeah yeah absolutely there's people who specialize like you know like i used to wrestle in a way not that successful but like

shooting on the legs climb up the body lock up and then look for a throw and attack the foot sweep. So there are people who have done this. People who have made a living just like Steve Mako, for example. He was a great wrestler, Division I wrestler, Iowa. I don't know if he made it to the Olympics. I think he did. Steve Mako is a famous name in wrestling, right? And he famously was a heavyweight that used a lot of foot sweeps.

I see. Right? I see. And his sister was Katie Mako, who was a national champion judo. Oh. Who's good at foot sweeps too. I see. Yeah.

Family of grapplers over there. Right, right. But he successfully at the highest levels used foot sweeps in wrestling. You know, it can be done. It can be done for sure. That reminds me of, what's his name? The silver medalist from New York State. The judoka.

Oh, Jason Morris? Jason Morris, that's right. I saw his highlights, like high school wrestling highlights. Yeah, he does a lot of judo. Yeah. He had a very judo-friendly style. And he did force a lot of foot sweeps on people, I think. Yeah.

He did. pedro was another one right he had right you know he was a wrestler yeah and he was a judoka right and justin flores was another one kenny hashimoto is the one you don't hear too often but he was one of the best right in the united states right you know he had a neck injury and stuff and you know he didn't quite make it to the level right which i which I thought he was like up here. I thought he was amazing. He was incredible. And he had a really, really good style where he would lock up you up in body, and then he would chip away at your heels and pull the leg and go Kouchi, go Soto, go Deashi, go Kouchi, go Soto.

He'd be kind of like chipping away at your legs the whole time. And it's like really unsettling. I worked out with the kid, and he was like 140 pounds but it's like you couldn't really quite like stand still because he's like always like pulling at your heel pulling at your knees you know and then like every now and then he would just blast one move through or like slip underneath and shoot in on the leg right so like you know yeah he had amazing judo man he had beautiful judo and he also wrestled division one and did judo and you know he was just that incredible that's a good point i think it's not just about throwing with foot sweep it's it sets up it opens up a lot like you you

force your tempo onto the other person you know yeah yeah it's unsettling because when you're locked up you want to move right you want to create movement you want to move back and forth you want to go you know i don't feel comfortable i'm gonna go over there i like want to go there for the tag i'm gonna go over there but when you're moving and when you're shifting your weight from like the leg and at any moment the person can reach down to your leg and grab your leg with their leg and then pull it off from underneath you you tend to not to move around so much so now you're playing a very much more static game right right so like that's a important skill to be had right and there's guys like at the dojo now this guy greg he's like that you know he does

he goes coachy but then he does coachy both ways and then he goes dashi both ways and sometimes you go he ponds in agi dashi and then fake then fake ipon senagi go kochi oh he'll go sode yeah all the way through and then clip the backside kochi like it's really really difficult to right to maneuver around and it's unsettling you know right as opposed to like a lot of people trying to like hey i'm explosive i'm fast i'm dynamic right uh the reverse of that is true when you go with greg right he takes away your ability to move fast and move dynamically because you feel like the floor is moving out from underneath you right right right so that's uh yeah so it does have you know in no gi grappling it does have a place

oh absolutely absolutely right yeah yeah foot sweeps are great, man. Foot sweeps, coachy. And I'm talking about weight shifting off the leg, but there's ways to take that foot. Right. Right. I did a video called the heel hook deashi. The sticky?

People call it the sticker foot deashi. Yeah, sticker. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, a lot of people call it different things. Right. But that's a good one. Yeah, a lot of people call it different things, right? But that's a good foot sweep to learn because even when the weight is on the leg,

you can reach down, grab it, and take it. Right, like as if you have a hand, yeah. Yeah, and it's very, a lot of leverage, a lot of stickiness in the foot, and it gets caught. It's a good one. Nice. Check it out, guys. All right, so we talked about the beauty of foot sweeps um beautiful i think absolutely beautiful it's it's like uh we talked about like it's it's a pretty

advanced and uh very timing oriented i'm still working on a lot of my timing still um but i think you know once you hit them like you'll get hooked you know like it feels yeah it's great yeah like people always say like oh my god so-and-so swept me off my feet ah it's like that yeah yeah it's like you get foot swept you don't know what happened you know you're looking at the ceiling you're like what the yeah it's pretty cool so yeah i hope you i hope this episode will help you guys through the journey of discovering the beauty of foot sweeps. One more thing. Yeah.

One more thing. What's up? I truly think one of the best things you could do outside of judo, if you're a judo person, right, is to – this is a great, great technique because most people will never see it coming. Never see it coming. Right, right. Yeah. because most people will never see it coming never see it coming right right yeah when i used to work the door at a bar when i was uh in my early 20s yeah you know and people always screw with me because i was smaller than all the other bouncers right i was the smallest bouncer on this planet

you know i'm like five nine yeah you know what i mean so it's like okay guy you gotta go they're like they're always it's like make coffee yeah really yeah right so it's like okay you know what i'm gonna lock him upper body and suplex him right yeah you know like this guy gonna so make me it's like oh yeah you know and then you get really close and people aren't you know locking their fists they're like yeah yeah make me make me chest to chest yeah right that's super common so once you're there when they go like this make me you have inside position on the hands immediately. Oh, yeah.

So when you lock him, you move and you foot sweep him, you take him down, and then you get behind him and you drag him out. Oh, nice. So that was like 99% success rate when I was doing that stuff. And that's why it's amazing. It's so beautiful. That's why police officers should learn foot sweeps. Yeah. Very practical.

Yeah. It's super practical from uh doing it on someone that doesn't know judo right right so i guess you should teach it to beginners maybe like you know the big ones instead of like the really timing oriented like the ash bar that's hard to get but you know ochi gari kochi gari they are more like they're more rigid in a way i don't know if that's the right word yeah ochi is easier to counter though true true what with that's why dashi dashi is hard to counter when you're about when you worked as a bouncer which footstool did you go for after locking up dashi oh really always yeah you know because not fair because they're

also drinking so they're all already compromised right right so it could be as simple as like you gotta go buddy you got a little too much make me and then it's like oh man you know and then it's like in the face and then all i have to do is get him retreating just a little bit and the weight shifts off the front and then they go down you don't you don't even need grips yeah so you do like a they retreat you clip that front and then they go down you don't you don't even need grips yeah so you do like a they retreat you clip that front and then you mush their head to the side right and then you know most great athletes like sober won't fall over right but like in that context they're nine times out of ten gonna fall right over and they're not even expecting you to sweep foot sweep you

yeah it's not like osoto where you're reaping the legs out so then they're not gonna go down yeah right so they generally like oh shoot and then put their hand down they on the you know they go down their butt kind of thing yeah yeah they go down on their butt and then when you're standing over them right have this oh shit moment yeah and then sometimes you go for like uh you control the lead leg like if you're going for an ankle lock right right right and then you hike it high and then you drag them out oh you drag them out by the legs actually yeah sometimes sometimes nice very rarely yeah yeah but it was really cool fun fun times fun times i wouldn't do it again though yeah once yeah so footsteps are beautiful uh this is beautiful yeah yeah work on them you know try to study them.

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