The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #134: Lisa Allen aka Salty Lashes - Young Parents, Advice For Young Parents, Integrity, Struggle, Parenting Rules, & Safety For Your Kids

Episode Date: September 4, 2018

On this episode we sit down with our friend and fellow blogger Lisa Allen from the wildly popular lifestyle blog Salty Lashes. On this episode we discuss young parents, advice for young parents, integrity, pushing through struggle, parenting rules, and divorce.  To connect with Lisa Allen click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) For Detailed Show Notes click HERE WOO FOR PLAY is the all natural and organic coconut love oil that is changing the way we have sex. With only 4 all natural ingredients WOO is the perfect personal lubricant to spice up your sex life.  All Him & Her Listeners will receive 20% off your entire order plus free shipping when when visiting www.wooforplay.com & using promo code HIMANDHER at checkout. This episode was brought to you by Grove Collaborative.   Grove Collaborative offers healthy alternatives to household supplies and we use it for all of our cleaning supplies. To try grove collaborative go to www.grove.co/skinny Listeners will receive 30 dollars in free supplies a special gift and a 60 day VIP membership.    This episode is brought to you by Liquid I.V.  Liquid I.V. is the great-tasting, portable powder drink mix that is changing the way the world hydrates. The hydration multiplier uses the breakthrough science of Cellular Transport Technology (CTT) to deliver hydration to the bloodstream faster and more efficiently than water alone. Liquid I.V. contains three times the electrolytes of leading sports drinks and is free from preservatives, artificial sweeteners or colors. Go to www.liquid-iv.com and ENTER PROMO CODE SKINNY15 AT CHECKOUT TO RECEIVE 15% OFF YOUR ORDER

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say something like that to me. And I've never, ever, ever shared this before. When I was nine, eight months pregnant with Goldie, maybe I shouldn't share it because I'll cry. But all of a sudden I didn't have medical coverage. And here I am, eight months pregnant with my third baby, and everything else was terrible. And I'm standing in line for government assistance. Like, I'm 30 years old. Let's not make excuses for our situation. Like, let's figure out what we want out of life, and let's take the steps necessary. Obviously, there's going to be hurdles.

Obviously, it's not going to be easy, but if you really have an end goal, you really know that you want to make a good life for yourself and your children, you can do it. That clip was from our guest of the show today, Lisa Allen of the wildly popular blog and brand Salty Lashes. On this episode, we discuss young parents, advice for young parents, integrity, pushing through struggle, parenting rules, and divorce. We are back with another Tuesday episode. Don't know who is sitting across the table from me. New hair color, new boobs, new everything,

new personality, but that's not so new. Lauren, what's going on? I got my hair dyed. I went super, super blonde, like Marilyn Monroe blonde. Khaleesi. Khaleesi. Wow. For those of you who are new to the show, I am Michael Bostic. I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder, most recently the CEO of Dear Media, which is a new kind of podcast network marrying the digital world to the audio space. And I'm Lauren Everett, Michael's wife. I'm the creator of The Skinny Confidential, which is a cheeky resource for beauty, wellness, and business.

Let's do a little pre-interview here, Lauren. Why did you decide to redo your hair? Do you like want to role play? You keep talking about Khaleesi. And your boobs and makeup and everything else. Okay. The boobs was like a month ago. Who the hell are you? And I talked to Justin Anderson, who I love, and he wanted to try this. And I was so on board. I'm always down to try something new. And I've had the same hair color for so long that I said, what the hell? Let's go really fucking blonde. So here we are. I've never seen you this blonde. I love it. I'm obsessed. I feel like I can't have this forever because it would damage my hair.

But for now, it's fun and I love it with a bold brow. And it's going to grow a little bit of root. So it's like perfect and you feel dimension and everything. So here's how you roll, boys and girls. Lauren, tonight, we're going to go in the bedroom. We're going to get the woo out. You're not going to say anything. You're going to turn around. Ew, Michael. I'm going gonna be looking at the back of a different head okay you're a creep

role-playing boys and girls role-playing it's like dating another person you can dress as tyrian lannister and i'll dress as galisi i'm gonna be john snow okay in your head uh all right hound with the burned face whatever let's not get into a Game of Thrones tangent here. I mean, don't... I know you're excited and you want to do that whole thing. You're like Mother of Dragons type thing. We get it. All right.

But let's take it step by step here. Okay. So we're interviewing Lisa today. She is this amazing blogger. I love this interview. She has an incredible community and she's a mom of four. But real quick, before we get into the interview with Lisa, let's discuss liquid IV. I've had so many questions on Instagram

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So like I said, we've been taking the passion fruit one. Michael really likes the lemon and lime. That's his favorite. I keep it in my desk drawer. It also comes in acai, which is good too. I feel like you could do a good vodka drink with that. I like all of them, but everyone takes them from me, so. And you know, you could make a lemon lime margarita out of that. A little tequila, didn't hurt a flea. Liquid IV, I need some more liquid IV. Anyway, liquid IV hydrates you up to two to three times faster than water alone and contains three times the electrolytes of sports drink. So for those of you who want to try this product, the team at liquid IV is offering all

TSC listeners 15% off at checkout when you enter the code skinny15. Go to liquid-iv.com and enter promo code skinny15 at checkout. Lisa Allen is the blogger behind Salty Lashes. Like I said, she has four kids, which is crazy, with her husband, Jeff. She has a background as an esthetician and a personal trainer, plus six years in the fashion industry. Her husband, Jeff, owns a home design business, and together they're kind of the power couple. Today she's going to talk about kids, personal stories, and kind of give us a glimpse into her life and the behind the scenes of blogging. With that, welcome Lisa Allen to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Do you guys get a lot of flack for things you say on here?

No. I don't think so. Because I think it's part of who you guys... You have to, though. It's part of the persona you've put out there that you guys speak freely and you're really open. And you can say things that I couldn't say. Ray, we can start recording. You can get away with it.

I think you'd be surprised what you can say. And then just get up all close to the mic. So should I not sit back? No yeah sit very close to the mic almost like you're about to eat the mic oh that's a way to describe it okay almost like you're about to eat the mic no honestly though you you can get away with with saying whatever you want because i think you have an incredible community but i think the i think intention is everything right so we can say things we can get away with saying things because people know the intention behind it's good, right? Like we're not malicious, but I think if you're guarded

and you don't say what you want, people don't like that. Just say what you want, mean what you say, and then people accept it. I mean, not everyone's gonna like it, but at least they know it's not BS. Yeah, unapologetically, right? Yeah. I'm not sorry for. We know you're not sorry. You know what? That joke would have been a good joke. But since you've been critiquing everyone today, I have a small critique for you that I'll do on air and everyone can vote on it. The hair on the face is a hair too long. Well, Lauren,

the peppers in the teeth is a bit too much. We have Lisa Allen in the studio. So I had to listen to Lauren and I bicker for a minute there. She just brought us a huge box, like a Costco box. It's a good box. A Flaming Hot Cheetos. That's right. And hydrangeas. Yep. Yeah. I'm very excited about it. Hopefully Taylor put it in water. He probably didn't. He probably forgot. All right, Lisa, let's start from the beginning. How did you get into blogging? So I started blogging back in 2012. Back then, at the time, I was a single mom. So I had three daughters. At the time, they were ages six, five, and brand new. Wow. Well, no, no, no, no, no. She was two. She was two at the time.

So I was a personal trainer at the time working out of my garage. I had 40 women that came to my garage three times a week, 5 a.m., 545, all throughout the day. And I was happy. Like it was doing well, you know. And then I had a phone call from a girl who at the time I did not know. I knew who she was, but I did not know her personally. And she asked, Hey, I have a website. I'm curious if you would like to join. And at the time I had a family blog, you know, early 2000s. It was more like what Instagram is now. Like people just posted their family stuff. Early 2000s. Yeah. But it was, and it's been removed from the internet okay you can't find it don't google it yeah don't google it um this audience will find it and so anyway she approached me and said hey would you want to do this blog and at the

time i'm like you know i'm really not interested um and she pursued it again and said like i had this dream that we should really do this together. And I'm thinking, OK, I'll try it, you know. So I said, I'll give it a try for a few months. And then it turned into five years doing that site. And she was East Coast and then I was West Coast. I was in Arizona for half the time and then out in Orange County for the other half of the time. And it was good.

It was great. And so when did you meet your husband within all this? So I met Jeff back in, it's been four years. So 2014. So previously married. Yes. I was married for 10 years and three daughters from that marriage. And then I was single for six years. So. Holy shit. Yeah. So you're running a blog. You have three daughters. She's East Coast, you're West Coast. And you guys, I heard a rumor that you guys were very, very high up and like to know it like you were crushing. And I remember going to a reward style conference and seeing you from across the room. And everyone was like talking about how you guys had this incredible community and conversion. How did you sort of cultivate that? You know what?

I think because we got in pretty early, I think that was definitely helpful. I mean, we started blogging. I think reward style was brand new. But when we started, all these affiliate platforms were not really a thing. Six months into blogging Nordstrom contacted us back when Nordstrom like directly would email you and said, Hey, we're doing this baby sweepstakes. We'd love to put you guys on our website. And we'd love to host these giveaways with you guys. So that was kind of the jumpstart, I think, for that site. And then I think we were relatable. We were moms who liked fashion. We both had backgrounds in beauty, have been an

esthetician for 18 years. And then fitness was both of our thing too. So I think we just kind of built this community based on other moms and it really worked to our advantage. We were speaking of flack earlier and getting getting flack. We're asking if we get it, which we do. In the beginning, when you started blogging, started putting your life on camera, when you have the children, do you get flack for putting the kids on camera? Like, do other mothers reach out and say, what are you doing? Or is that a non-issue? I'm wondering now with social media, because if we ever have kids, I'm wondering what that's

going to look like. Yeah, I think there is a lot of, well, you know what? I think in the last few months, I've noticed it less and less, but I think there has been a lot of mom shaming out there. And it's unfortunate because it is by typically other moms. I think I got the most flack. So I have three daughters. Avery's my oldest she'll be 15 and then

I have Poppy who is 13 and then I have Goldie who is eight and Goldie has her own Instagram account that has just grown naturally shout the handle out because it's so funny it's the Goldiegrams and it hasn't been super active lately because she is older and she's more aware and kids at school are more aware of it and so we haven't put as much on there but she is older and she's more aware and kids at school are more aware of it. And so we haven't put as much on there, but she is just as funny, I think. And so I think when people started seeing Goldie had her own Instagram account and she was three years old and then four years old, it was a lot of like, what is this mom doing? But on the flip side, so many people love Goldie's account because it's a break in their day that they can laugh and just kind of enjoy a little bit of a moment without recognizing, I think, that it is a mom putting her daughter.

I think people can realize it's a mom putting her children online, but for good reason. Your intentions, right? So how much input, I mean, at eight years old, how much input i mean at eight years old how much input does goldie have goldie doesn't even if you ask goldie like how many followers she has she says like 200 like she has no idea and she has i think 20 something thousand it's not some like massive account but um for something that's just grown on her own kids at school will say stuff to her like here's the goldie grams or like a teacher will recognize her like her yoga teacher at school which we live in california there's yoga teachers at school oh my god that's amazing i know it's pretty awesome but her yoga teacher recognized

her and that just like made her so uncomfortable she like doesn't want people to like because she's actually pretty shy so i don't think she wants people to know that side of her so i guess there's like um two schools of thought there's you know because I know there's some parents that say don't put your kids on social and then obviously there's kids that put or there's parents that put their kids on social and like the whole debate is do the children want to be on social so I'm not for or against one way or the other I'm more wondering like what are the um what are the comments that you receive from parents like what are the negative and what are the positive? I've had things written about and it really is mainly just about Goldie because she has had more of a spot on my Instagram is that she's so young. I can't believe, you know, that you would put your child out there like that.

And like I said, I mean, Goldie doesn't even realize this is what she has, you know? My opinion really with this, and my real opinion is why do people care? That's, well, that's the whole thing of mom shaming is that... I'm not worried about what everyone else is doing. Stay in your own lane. If I want to breastfeed and show my nipples on Instagram, that's what I'm going to do. If I want to put my kid on social media, that's what I'm going to do. I don't get why other people care what other people are doing. I think people are bored. I think so. Well, there you go. I think they're bored. And I also think, you know, when I was going through my divorce, it was pretty open within my community where I lived

in Arizona. A lot of people knew the reasons why and they were pretty extreme. And because of that, the people that would talk so badly about what happened and speculate and all that stuff, you know, fast forward 10 years, these are the people that I've seen their lives kind of fall apart. And so I think a lot of people like to deflect their own issues and put it on other people so that they don't have to really think about what's going on in their own life. So I think that's kind of where the whole mom shaming and... Well, I'm sure you've put some thought, like there is some positives that could come out if, you know, as your child grows up and she has a large social platform, like obviously,

like you've made a living from it, Lauren's making a living. It's just, I question at what point does she like have a say and get to take over and how long are you running? You know what I'm saying? You know what? We talked about this, Jeff and I talked about this recently with Goldie's account is that people really love little Goldie like people kind of hold on to that they have a really hard time with the idea that she is older and she's really small so then they really question how old she is people are always shocked when they find out she's eight years old now and so we've talked

about it either like do we really want goldie to have control of this account because a i don't know at eight years old that i really do want her to have social media avery and poppy have it but it's private it's always been private um you have to like monitor it do they want you to tag them like are they like mom will you tag me or do they not care oh my gosh my kids i tell you i will put stuff on story and like well actually that's not true poppy has reported me to instagram like three times that's goals she has you should do that i should start doing that to lauren about me report me to instagram you know what else is tripping me out here guys ariel's here yes and i don't ariel what's the what's the deal here it's like dual it's like

dual roles are you with you you know because i'm so used to ariel filming us out here guys ariel's here yes and i don't ariel what's the what's the deal here it's like dual it's like dual roles are you with you know because i'm so used to ariel filming us no this is ariel's moment to show her nose off ariel are you on the ariel's on the clock i don't know who she's on the clock for buddy ariel has a new nose new life she's collaborating okay so go on so avery and poppy don't want anything that has to do with your social media they don't want to be on it. No, they're fine to be on it. And they want the pictures that Ariel takes of them for their own social media. And they're really loving being part of the blog. I mean, that was my whole thing with switching over to Salty Lashes.

You know, I left my previous site back in November. So it hasn't been quite a year yet. And the whole reason and goal behind it was that I wanted to create more of a space for my family. And that was something I couldn't do on my other site. And it's been really great. I mean, the post that the both of the posts, I did a Q&A with both Avery and Poppy separately. And I had them write the post. And because readers knew that they wrote the post and they talked about like, I don't know why this is such a controversial subject,

but I talked about how I don't allow sleepovers. Before Lisa lets us know why she doesn't allow sleepovers, let's talk about Grove Collaborative. Okay, so do you guys want to know the latest? My Grove order. I had the genius idea, don't mean to brag, of using their search bar for my standout star, which is grapefruit.

If you know me, you know I love grapefruit everything, okay? It's pink, it's citrusy, it smells just right, and it really is the ideal smell for the home. It's so fresh. So of course you know me, and know, I do not like to buy my household products at the grocery store. Nope. I like to streamline things, which is why I get them from my favorite place to scope up cleaning supplies, Grove Collaborative. Okay. So what I picked up this month was the Method hand soap, grapefruit, of course, that was the first item

in the cart. And I like to put this by my kitchen sink. It's pretty, it's pink. Like I said, there's also this grapefruit essential oil and I put it in my diffuser and it just makes my whole house smell perfect in the morning. Kind of like wakes you up. It's like a zinger. Then there is this all purpose grapefruit cleaner that's healthy and not filled with tons of nasty chemicals. And like I said, you guessed it, it's grapefruit cleaner that's healthy and not filled with tons of nasty chemicals. And like I said, you guessed it, it's grapefruit and it's pink. Just because Grove also carries some beauty products, I threw in the grapefruit chapstick, which Michael steals. It's sort of like a pink tint, which is really funny. So anyway, my Grove collaborative order this month was very much grapefruit inspired and chemical free. So as you guys can see, Grove makes it super easy to discover the best non-toxic products. I know when I'm shopping with Grove.co that I don't have to

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side. Hold on. I don't like sleepovers either. I'm actually not having a guest room because I don't like anyone in my house. I don't like people to sit on my couch. So I feel like I'm going to steal that rule from you for our kids. I don't, I'm not a sleepover mom. It is a good rule. I mean, for what is the core reason? Okay. Let's get into it. You know this, I like this show. We go into weird, weird weird subjects i've never gone into sleepover discussion but let's do it okay i am such okay when i was growing up when i was used to date girls i had that same policy not with me you wouldn't let me go i couldn't get away from you are you fucking kidding me i you had a tent with my name on it i said blanket policy nothing

personal no sleepover okay yeah anyways i'm sure so i policy, nothing personal, no sleepovers. Okay, yeah. Anyways, I'm sure this is not the same context. So I think we have a different no sleepover rule for a different reason. So I wasn't allowed to have sleepovers as a kid, and I never understood. I thought my mom and dad were so mean, so terrible to have that rule. And then as an adult, it just makes sense. And it makes sense for a few different reasons. A, you're never 100% sure where they're sleeping, right? You never know what goes on in someone else's house.

Behind closed doors, you really don't know. That's a good point. You don't. That's actually a very good point. And when you have children, you will do anything to protect them, right? So that's one side of it. The other side of it is that when my kids stay up really late or all hours of night, or when they come back from their dad's house and they don't have really structure or rules over

there, they're terrible when they come home. And it kills the whole vibe for the family. It makes the rest of the weekend just totally blow for everybody. The dad from your previous life, yes, the father. Yes. And so it's like when kids don't sleep, it's the same as adults, only it's a lot more irrational, but it's just a bad vibe. And so that's like when kids don't sleep, it's the same as adults, only it's a lot more irrational. But it's just a bad vibe. And so that's one side of it that are kind of just there's no point. I'll let them have late nights and they can stay out till like 11, 12. I come and pick them up.

If it's a sleepover party and it's like something really important that they're doing something in the morning, I'll drive them back. But nothing really great happens after midnight. And so your kids, like you need to sleep and you also get in so much trouble. And I've heard so many horror stories about, you don't know about the parents. Like it is a really, really good point actually. And you don't have to have other kids sitting on your couch. Well, I know people say, well, do you have sleepovers at your house? And cousins, totally fine, because I can tell them yes or no, like I can be totally honest with them. But really, like, I have four kids,

I don't need more people in my house. That makes a lot of sense. Like, I'm pretty like, OCD about my stuff, and Jeff's even more so. And so the combination of the two of us, it's like, our kids footprints are are like bad enough. I don't really need more. Who has worse OCD, me or Lisa? Who? White floors, white couch. Whose worse?

Same. Similar. You. Oh. With the booties. Yeah, the booties. I'm going to get you some booties. Do you have four kids?

You know what? Jeff wanted to get booties. You should get the booties. He actually looked at them on Amazon. Yeah. I'm going to send you guys booties. Do you have four kids? You know what? Jeff wanted to get booties. You should get the booties. He actually looked at them on Amazon. Yeah. I'm going to send you guys some. My dad was like, see you in a week. And if you get hurt, rub some dirt on it.

You're also a boy. I do think that makes a difference. Boys typically, I mean, obviously boys get in just as much trouble. Listen, when I have a daughter, she's going to be from like 10 p.m. till probably 8 a.m. There's going to be a cage with a lock. I don't have the key. She's going to be stuck in there p.m. till probably 8 a.m. There's going to be a cage with a lock. I don't have the key. She's going to be stuck in there. You're going to be so annoying.

I can't even imagine that. Yeah. But the traffic that came in from that and the comments that I got from people that wanted to share their story, because, you know, when you open up something like that, you're going to get a lot of questions as to why. But then you're also going to get a lot of responses on their reasoning. You know, like, oh yeah, that makes so much sense, or I'll never allow it either because this happened to me at a sleepover.

And so it was just more confirmation. I had a child psychologist tell me through a DM that that's the number one rule that they tell every parent that comes into their office is no sleepovers. I actually like that rule for a girl, especially. What is the most controversial post you've ever done? What got the most, like what split the audience the most? Like what was polarizing?

On Salty Lashes. I haven't done anything. I think when I did. It could be anything, anything on social anywhere. Okay, I wrote a thing on Salty Lashes back in November, December about how we ended up in California. Because I got a question from somebody that said, how do you live in California? You must have family money. You must this.

And it's like, no, you don't have to be a millionaire to live in California. Let's just be smart about what you want out of life if you want to live by the beach then you can make sacrifices and so I wrote this post about it a lot of people I think liked it and they resonated as far as like you're right you know I've always wanted to like take a risk and move somewhere cool but I've never been able to because I'm too afraid or I wouldn't be able to afford it or all these things like you're right just make better choices and then the other side you know people just assume like somebody wrote in and said oh it's because um it's because oh let's let's be honest Lisa it's because of your ex-husband's so it sounds like you get you get a lot of flack from people thinking

that you have it easy you haven't made because of whatever. And so they're making assumptions and that splits it. Yeah. And if people really knew like my full story, no one would ever in their right mind say something like that to me. Like if people knew that, you know, I went from being married and being very comfortable and having a husband who was doing really well and really successful to having nothing, being completely cut off from nothing. I mean, when I was, and I've never, ever, ever shared this before. When I was nine, eight months pregnant with Goldie, maybe I shouldn't share it because I'll cry, but.

You can cry. When I was eight months pregnant with Goldie and things were just chaos, and I don't fault my ex-husband for this now. I think it was just a bad place that he was in. But all of a sudden, I didn't have medical coverage. And, you know, having the things that I had. And I'm standing in line at for government assistance, like I'm 30 years old. And I'm asking the government to help me with medical coverage. And it was so humiliating. Not because you should be humiliated if you have to ask, but because the situation that I felt so guilty that like, life choices that weren't not necessarily mine got me in this position and here I was trying to do the best for my family my dad said let me help

you I'll pay for it I'm like no this is me this is my family this is my situation and so they told me you know I stood in line I'm pregnant I'm like so overweight so like depressed looking I'm sure and the lady's like this normally takes a couple months to approve but like I'm like so overweight, so like depressed looking, I'm sure. And the lady's like, this normally takes a couple months to approve, but like, I'm just so sad for you. Like I'll approve you right now. And I was able to have Goldie and it was fine and it was great. And then from then I started being a personal trainer and then I started blogging and I moved my family by myself. I literally knew two people in California and I took off without any help. And we started a whole new life here. I mean, if that doesn't show you that you can pick yourself

back up and figure it out, I don't know what does. You can. And that's the thing I always try to like relay that message to people. It's like, let's not make excuses for our situation. Like, let's figure out what we want out of life and let's take the steps necessary obviously there's going to be hurdles obviously it's not going to be easy but if you really have an end goal you really know that you want to make a good life for yourself and your children you can do it and it looks different for everybody it doesn't mean it's California it can be anything we've been talking a lot about accountability and it sounds like you took accountability for your life in that instance. And I always say like you can choose to let

something victimize you or fuel you. Yes. And you chose fuel, obviously. Yeah. And can you tell us some steps that you chose to choose fuel? Like, is there something that you incorporated in your day-to-day routine? Is there maybe like a mantra or goal or meditation or something that helped you propel yourself forward instead of being stuck in a slump? I think for me, kids have been my biggest motivating factor. And I honestly think that because, you know, here I was going through a divorce when I delivered Goldie. And for me, it was like the motivating factor having and I always say this, that Goldie saved our family, like having Goldie and having a reason

to wake up every morning, Avery and Poppy were starting school. So they were in like, I think, kindergarten and first grade. So they were going to be gone all day, I could have easily hid and felt so bad for myself and had developed, you know, all sorts of things that could have happened. I could have started drinking. I could have started doing anything to numb the pain. And for me, having Goldie was truly the biggest blessing. It was the most scary, but it was the biggest blessing. And I got to make a choice right then and there that I can either choose one path or I can choose the other. I made that choice and I've never looked back. And so like, I guess with my own children, I try to teach them like no excuses.

Like I don't want to hear about it. You make a choice, you stick with it, you follow through. And that's just so I don't know that there's ever been like a mantra or anything that I've told myself. It's just always been there's no other option. How have you been able to build such a successful business while you're going through this with four kids and a husband? So I think that people can relate. I think because I am a mom, I think that helps the maybe a little bit more relatable. I think that I do a really good job at responding to people and responding to their DMs and trying to get to know people. I think that's super important. And truthfully, I do care what they have to say. I think that because I do have these end goals that I just make little choices. And I've been,

I don't want to say I've been lucky. I think I've really worked hard for it. But I think that I've been really smart with my decision making on certain jobs I will take certain things I won't do and always looking to what's going to benefit my family the most. And are you and Jeff working together or separate? Separate. So Jeff is a woodworker. Jeff makes the most incredible custom doors. That's his specialty.

He also does all sorts of like interior woodworking. And maybe he can make a noise-proof door and we can put it up in the house. So you can, I was saying, Lauren has a voice like a velociraptor, right? You know, anyways. I'm'm sorry I can't hear you through all that hair on your face yeah you see pepper tooth yeah so Jeff's a woodworker he's really talented and he does that and then I do what I do obviously he's in post and he does stuff

like that with me but overall like we keep things very separate how do you have how do you get him into post okay because michael is michael's in everything no ask ariel ariel i ask him to shoot one photo with me and he gives me one and a half seconds ask ariel that's all you need my social media uh my um strategy is less is more right by the way for anyone who's confused lisa and i share the same photographer ariel she's incredible she is at ariel levy photo on insta and um she's here with us and she's just giving us all the deets who's who's worse jeff or michael when it comes to taking photos i've never seen jeff take one okay maybe she's not gonna come through on the mic oh you mean take the picture with michael for to go with Michael for right now. Okay.

Oh, you mean you ask Michael to take your picture? No, no, no, no. I want to know how you get Jeff in photos with you. Like, how do you manipulate him into your content? Typically, I'll just ask. Sometimes, I mean, Ariel knows. It's like, he's really, really awesome the first, like, 10 minutes of the shoot. And then, like, any guy, he's like, let's go. Let like 10 minutes of the shoot. And then like any guy he's like,

checked out, let's go, let's move this along. So, you know why? Because it's what Lauren does is, um, she takes 75 photos and I'm,

for me, I'm standing in the same position. So I'm like, you could just take the first one and Photoshop me in later. Cause I'm literally looking the exact same. Like you haven't moved. I have not moved. I'm like,

I don't know what, do I do something different with my smile? Do I like squint an eye? Do I like clench a jaw? I don't know what do I do something different with my smile do I like squint an eye do I like clench a jaw I don't know clench a jaw you know I mean like the jaw like listen I don't know what to do it's not my forte I wanted to ask you what do you think that as a young parent what do you think the toughest part of being a young parent was like what is the hardest because there's a lot of young parents that are listening what is the biggest struggle and how do you kind of deal with those struggles? I think young parents struggle always comparing milestones.

I think that's something that, you know, every child is so, so different. Like having four kids, like none of my kids have been, have hit the same milestones or had the same personality or been on the same page like ever. I mean, Ariel knows this. She deals with my children on a weekly basis. And there are a lot. There are a lot in a lot of different ways. And so I think young parents, you know,

people DM me and say, oh my gosh, Ozzy's babbling. How old is she? I'll tell them, oh, my so-and-so isn't. Do you think anything's wrong? No, nothing's wrong. And if there is, your doctor will figure that out. I can't tell you if your child has a developmental delay.

I don't know. I don't even know if mine does. So I think that's the one thing I see with young parents is that there's a lot of comparison, which I think also isn't just with their kids. I think it's across the board. With social media. Yeah.

Yeah. Someone asked me what size boobs they should get the other day. And I was like, Oh yeah, I need to like come to your doctor with you and see you naked and look at your nipples. And, and like, should I fly out? Like, I can't just like tell you that over DM. Yeah. And like, you don't even know what you look like now. Like you don't know how much you're going to need. Yeah. It's different for everyone involved. Okay. So I want to get down to like time and morning routines. Okay. How do you prioritize your time with four children and a business and a husband? So I try to work in the mornings. So everyone's up. I mean, it's a little different right now

because it's the summer. So my kids haven't gone back to school yet. So everything's a little bit slower pace and I'm not getting as much done as I'd like to. But typically, I'll take, Avery and Poppy can walk to school starting this year. Starting this year, you guys, I'm going to have one in high school, one in middle school, one in elementary school, and one home. You look so young to me. I can't believe it. I'm 38, so I'm not super young. But I'm definitely young for Avery and Poppy. That is true. But anyway, so when they're in school, I'll typically get everyone out the door. Everyone's at school young but I'm yeah I'm definitely young for Avery and Poppy that is that is true but um anyway so when they're in school I'll typically get everyone out the door everyone's at school by 7 45 and then Ozzy will eat breakfast hang out play with toys for and I'll have a couple hours to

where I can like work get up every few seconds make sure she's not climbing the stairs you know just like basically I need to hire an assistant or I need to hire a nanny, but I just haven't done either yet. And then Ozzy goes down for a nap. And then I'll work usually a little bit more than I try to get ready, shower, all that stuff. And then pretty much once the kids are out of school, though, like my day shot until everyone's in bed, like going from field hockey practice to the cross practice to dance to anything that they're doing, my day's over. So how far in advance do you have to plan your content? You know, I need to work on this badly because I'm like a last minute girl. Like if I have a campaign, then I know ahead of time it's all scheduled. I use the Asana program. Do you guys know that one? Yes, we just started using that okay so it works for you I really like it okay I really like it because I

get a notification on my phone and this is good for anybody not just somebody that's planning like blog content this is this can be used for doctor's appointments this can be used for anybody but I really like that program so that keeps me on track as far as like campaigns go like I put in there the day I need to shoot it the day it needs to be due the day that it's going live all of that scheduled that's great but like the day-to-day content that is not necessarily half a due date on it I'm really bad what would your advice be for someone that's a new mom that wants to launch a business or a blog but she feels completely overwhelmed by

mommyhood? I think you just have to go for it. I think it's a great outlet. I think that if being a mom is super overwhelming, for so many reasons, and it's so hard. Give us specifics, because I've obviously never been a mom. Which part? On what? Just how is it overwhelming? I want to be careful that I don't get into a sexist space here, because obviously, I don't understand what it's like to be a mother and never will. But I would say in this day and age, there's opportunities that exist that say you were a stay at home mom, you know, 20, 30 years ago.

Maybe you're married and your husband's working. That's why I'm saying I'm being careful getting sexist here. But the opportunity did not exist to create content and put it out instantly to the world. So I think there's so many opportunities now for mothers that maybe are at home that want to produce content. Yeah. And not only are moms at home producing content, but moms have really cool businesses. Like some of, I mean, it had been seven years since I'd had a baby from Goldie to Ozzy. And the amount of mom businesses out there, the best clothes that Ozzy has are from small businesses owned by moms out of their house.

They're the most well-made. They are by far better than anything you're going to find at the mall. And so I think moms are really taking this opportunity. If they don't want to blog or if they don't want to be an influencer, they're also creating these little businesses that they can still be moms and they can still work out of their house and they get to do all of it. And I think that's, what's so cool about where we are right now in this day and age as moms that we

can, we literally can do both and do it well. Well, the cool thing is there's a lot of these, what people call little businesses are becoming like the big businesses. Like my, my partner here in this business, I always say,

I was like this business with the content creators is very responsible for making many of the women in the household, the breadwinners of that household. And I think it's pretty awesome. Yeah, there's a couple of smaller, and then it's smaller on a scale, but still really big companies that are doing really well. One of them is Fond Design.

Fond Design makes diaper bags. She's based out of Utah. She started by hand sewing her first diaper bag. She is doing insane. She's, I think, 25 or 26. That's crazy. I know. I want to get into specifics about how being a mom's overwhelming because...

Last thing. Man alive. If you're a stay-at-home dad, it also works for you. I'm just going to put the dads... Do you want to be a stay-at-home dad? the dads do you want to be a stay-at-home dad fuck yeah i want to be a stay-at-home dad i want to show up and grind all day i think there's a lot more of that showing up yeah daddy you can stay at home get to work i love you big you know bring it home how is it overwhelming specifically like what am i in for i'm because i'm very selfish with

my time i'll just be really honest like i like things the way I like it I'm specific I have my house the way I like it I'm gonna tell you now you're gonna struggle you're gonna struggle I'm not joking I'm worried because when Arielle can answer the question when she asked when you asked her you know who's more OCD I think because I have kids I have to be less, but I was neurotic before children. It was like, so I'm so controlling. I want things a certain way. So I think what your question, the most I feel, I describe it as like treading water. Every day you are treading water because there's so much to do. And I think, I think having one kid, you know, it's really alarming because it's all new. And a lot of moms are like, I don't want to do this

again, but you have to have two kids because two kids is actually great. They play with each other. They occupy each other's time. It's a friend in the house. And if you've done it once, doing it twice is not a big deal. I think the more kids you have, obviously, your time is even more limited. But there's just so many days where I'm like, I don't want anyone to say my name. Like, don't talk to me. Don't. And I say a lot of bad things in my head. Why don't you want to nanny? I want a nanny. Why don't you want a nanny? Tell me why. I don't know. Like I said, I'm controlling. Okay, that makes sense. And so I have these like, you know, totally irrational fears that they won't do it.

The way you want it. The way I want it. Or that for some reason my child, because I work out of the house too. And Jeff works out of the house most of the time if he's not, you know, doing an install. So both of us are there and then we have a nanny on top of it. Too much. I just feel like the baby's like, who? Who should I see?

I'd like a nanny and a chef and maybe a personal trainer and a manicurist to come in. Can you make that happen? Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. You know what? I say I want more than anything. I want a driver. Yes. I want a driver for my children.

I want someone to take my kids. I guess that would be a nanny, right? What's the policy on Uber with kids? You know what my oldest just took an Uber with some friends. They were meeting some friends up in San Clemente. They took the train they got on the train somehow. You're supposed to be 16 there. She's 14 right now. And you've seen that train security. There's there's no train security. So they asked for their IDs and all the kids are like, oh, we left them at home. There's like six kids that allegedly left their ID at home. They got on the train and then they did take an Uber and it worked fine.

And I told her she could do it, but I knew all the kids that were going, there were five of them. They had to take like a black car. So it's, you know, licensed and all that stuff. And it was fine. I have an idea for Uber. Okay. Let's do uber kids and all the drivers have

to be screened like a hundred million times by someone and you have like kid friendly safe everything even some car seats you have waters it's like a really nice car maybe a big suburban so if you get in a car accident it's big and the and uber kids can show for your kid around well i was thinking like maybe i was a bad kid but when we were in high school you know you're having a couple beers or something you're running around and then people are getting in cars as kids like that's way more dangerous to me way more and i'd rather have if i ever have children i'd rather have them call an uber than get in a car with one of their drunk friends or drunk themselves michael and i have we're talking to this parent i forgot who told us this but but Monday through Friday they drive a really safe car to school and then on the weekends the car gets taken away and they take uber just because

it eliminates the alcohol and I think that's such a good idea because in high school you know everyone's like doing weird shit and driving drunk and it just eliminates the possibility of that I feel like yeah I also think there should be an option that moms or dads can have an uber sign in their car and if like i'm down at moonlight beach picking up my kids from surf camp then i can pick up other people's kids and drive them home and i get paid for it amazing you know how many moms would do that why can't you do that because i would never charge a mom she doesn't want to charge unless it was like unless i had had an Uber sign in my car, right? Michael's wheels are spinning. Michael, calm down. I'm not going to overtake Uber. Dear media. Um,

what is a mistake that you've made along the way at the time felt devastating, but was later revealed to become a blessing? Um, I would probably go back to my divorce, I would say. At the time, it was just really scary, which I think any divorce would be. And it didn't take long to realize it was truly the best thing that could have happened to me and to my family. And now you have Jeff. I know. Now I have Jeff. Tell us about Jeff. So Jeff and I met.

He was living in the Bay Area at the time and I was in orange County and we were set up on, I mean, you can say blind date, but not really cause social media, but we didn't know each other, um, through a friend and he came down and we went to dinner. And at the time, I mean, like I said, I'd been single for like six years. So, and he's five years younger than I am as well. So for me, it was was just like this is just like a fun date to go on you know like I thought nothing of it um we had a really good conversation like he was so cool and so easy to talk to and all this stuff but you know here I am a mom of three kids a single guy he was 30 years old at the time and it was just like this is just like a fun. And then he reached out to me again the next day. And then we talked every day and got married like a year later.

You guys are such a cute couple. Oh, thanks. Like I have to say, it's very nice to look at. Thank you. The Instagram feed's aesthetically pleasing. Let's put it that way. He is such a hunk. I just, what am I saying?

Before we go. Yes. Book, resource, podcast that you could recommend to our audience that really resonates with you. Wait,

start that question over again. Book or what? Book, resource, podcast. It could be, it could be a book on tape. It can be,

it could be a magazine article. Anything that you look to a lot. I do. i started listening to podcasts recently i mean i've been listening to yours on and off for like a year i don't my problem is i can't turn it on my car which ones are you off on which ones you turn off on ours let's go let's get it's only if there's like if it's a subject that i want to like hear about but here's the thing most people listen to podcasts in their car right i can't listen to podcasts in my car typically because i have a bunch of kids who don't want to listen to podcasts they want to listen to music here's what you do

you put noise canceling headphones on and just ignore the kids i know but i'm afraid i'll get in a car accident because i'm not i'm gonna be the worst you put the headphones on the kids i'm not aware i know i should yeah i should actually my kids are gonna be like bubble wrap eyes closed like headphones they're gonna be like one of those salt tanks you know and they get to know where they are um I really truthfully not because I'm on the podcast I really do enjoy your podcast I think you guys have the best dynamic thank you I think it is so interesting I think you guys have a great variety of people on your show it's's, I mean, you're not like a one-dimensional podcast. You have all sorts of people.

And so I think that's really cool. And I just think, you know, your guys' relationship is so fun and funny to listen to. Like the banter is so entertaining for me. It's gotta be, I mean, I think with a podcast, you're gonna do hundreds of episodes, right? If it's the same thing over and over, like you can only listen to productivity hacks.

I like a medley. You know, workout tips or business tips for so long. It's gotta be, it's gotta be wacky. Like maybe one week you're getting really great information on how to start a business. And the next thing you know, you're hearing about some guy that went on some crazy date and did something weird, but you know what I mean? Like it has to be variation. So I like that it, you never know what you're going to do. You guys have a great variation, but I have a question for you guys on the on your um relationship on the podcast is there like i mean clearly the jokes that you've had today are not mean by any means like pepper in the teeth you know your facial none of that's mean so but has there ever been anything where after the podcast you were like you're the biggest jerk that is so mean to say

that oh no because i think listen people actually that's one thing people give a shit to even to more to lauren than to me like oh lauren you're mean to michael i don't care it's all jokes if you have to laugh it's all funny if i'm not laughing i'm bored so if people get me we like to have fun i like a little chaos i like drama i like to mix it up some people don't like that i mean this is our relationship it's our banter it was so it works for us but you know what though i think as like a listener when i listen to the banter it doesn't sound mean you can tell when someone's got mal intent right yeah she's not like i get it like you know i mean do i wish she didn't have so many peppers in her teeth of course like come on like what husband wouldn't want i next time you have

a pepper in your tooth i'm not going to tell you for three days right so it just stays there i think that one's been in there for three days you You know what my grandma and my dad told me? I said, what's your best relationship tip? And they said, always remain childlike. If you're not, if you're taking yourself too seriously in anything, I think, what's the point? Like you have to be laughing and having fun. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think a lot of things can be smoothed over too by laughter.

Yes. And recovery quickly. I mean, things can be smoothed over too by laughter yes and you know recovery quickly i mean you can't stay mad for too long we get frustrated with each other we argue but we're not like we'll always go to bed happy we're always wake up happy it's not because it's not like i said it's not malicious and we're always happy with each other but of course you're working this close together and you're doing this every week and you're doing other things like you're gonna have arguments you're gonna have arguments with any business partner or anybody in a relationship it's just it's it comes down to like are you actually genuinely upset or are you really mad or do you think this person's really doing something

harmful like obviously i almost pulled a knife on you last night though you fucking try it yeah last night was so annoying you're right i guarantee i'm a better knife fighter than you all right where can everyone find you pimp yourself. Tell us all about your YouTube channel. I love your YouTube channel. Give us all the details. So we are, the website is saltylashes.com. It's salty hyphen. Is that what it is?

Salty hyphen lashes.com. Instagram is at Lisa underscore Allen. YouTube is saltylashes. Pinterest, I'm pretty sure, isty Lashes. I think it's all Salty Lashes. And the Goldie Grams. And the Goldie Grams. And then Avery and Poppy, something that I think I'm really trying to do different and I think that people haven't touched on in our industry is the teen market. And so Avery and Poppy, their posts have been great. And people also like that women can wear what they're wearing

because they're not shopping in kid stores anymore a lot of urban outfitters a lot of free people so their accounts are private um for now we'll see you know as they get more comfortable with it if they want to open that up but yeah if you have teens or are teen they are fun to follow they're very stylish. They are. I mean, I'm always looking at everything. I love her Instagram. You guys, you'll love it. It's very much like a community, which you know I love.

Thank you guys for coming. Arielle, leave your photo. Thank you for taking behind the scenes. Snapchats. Lisa, you're the best. This episode was brought to you by floss.com. Lauren Everts, floss.com. Thank you.

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