The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #147: Heather McMahan - Comedic Relief, Laughing Through Hard Times, The Life of a Comic, & Building a Comedy Career
Episode Date: November 2, 2018On this episode we sit down with one of the funniest person we have ever met Heather McMahon. Heather is a rising star in the comedy world and this episode does not fail to deliver laughs. We discuss ...Heather's comedy career and the process of finding laughter during some of the hardest times. Get ready to laugh your ass off! To connect with Heather McMahon click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) For Detailed Show Notes click HERE This episode is brought to you by FOUR SIGMATIC We have been drinking this company's mushroom-infused elixirs and coffees for over a year now. When we need a break from coffee but still need that extra morning jolt and focus the Mushroom Coffee with Lion's Mane and Chaga is the way to go. Lauryn also drinks the Mushroom Matcha which is a green tea designed as a coffee alternative for those of you who want to cut back on caffeine without losing focus and cognitive boosts. This stuff doesn't actually taste like mushrooms, it's delicious. All of these blends have a ton of nutrients and amino acids to give you balanced energy without the jitters. To try FOUR SIGMATIC products go to foursigmatic.com/skinny and use promo code SKINNY for 15% off all products. This episode is brought to you by Pure Romance, Pure romance helps women love their lives through bath, beauty and bedroom accessories. Pure Romance's dedication to women’s sexual health sets them apart. To try Pure Romance visit pureromance.com and use code SKINNY for 10% off your purchase.  Â
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you know there's like giant crystal springs five gallon jugs like i was the one who always had to
carry it upstairs to my parents in a room he's like god damn heather grab two of those things
i'm like dad i'm I'm like 11 years old.
I can't carry these giant jugs.
But when my dad was dying, he lost a lot of weight, and he was such a big dude,
and he pulled me aside in the hospital.
He was like, hey, listen, you know you're built like me, right?
I was like, you're right, Dad.
He goes, if you start getting skinny, you're probably dying, okay, honey?
So don't lose any weight.
It's a bad sign.
And so literally, I'm always like, oh, I don't want to get too thin because I'm probably dying.
Like, you have to laugh at this shit.
You cannot control what happens to you, right?
Boo.
Spooked you.
Well, this episode is going to go live a little bit after Halloween, but we're recording this intro on Halloween.
So boo, spooky. Taylor, maybe you can add a little bit of spooky music to this.
No, Taylor, add the monster mash.
Maybe. Yeah, maybe a little monster mash instead of our normal intro.
Anyways, we can mesh that in somewhere.
Maybe like a bat noise.
Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
If you are new to the show, thank you for joining.
That clip was from our guest of the show today, Heather McMahon. This episode is a fun one. We go all over the place. We dive into some
funny topics, funny details. What else do we dive into? A lot of stuff.
You know, it's very lighthearted. Michael and I are always trying to mix up the guests.
We want like serious. We want some business. We want some funny. We want some lightheartedness.
We never want you guys to expect something. We always want to throw you a curveball. So this episode is actually inspired by Instagram. I was really hungover on a Sunday eating a veggie delight sandwich in bed with extra avocados, extra sprouts, and extra pepperoncinis from the deli across the street that I postmated that's one minute away.
Which always embarrasses me.
And I was like going through this Instagram deep dive. One of you guys actually told me to check
out her Britney Spears breakdown. I don't know who it was. So if it was you, DM me. Anyway,
so I went and did this deep dive into Heather's Instagram on her highlight. And she talks about
Britney Spears like over the
course of three highlights it's amazing you have to check it out and then i got michael so on board
with heather when i showed him her halloween costume heather is the next rising star she
already is a star when she's rising 100 i think she's gonna be a huge star she is a huge star i
was fucking dying when you showed me that when she dressed up like the guy from my pillow.com
the my pillow guy god she's fucking funny Anyway guys you know do yourself a favor actually just
like turn off this episode and go to her Instagram and go watch some of this stuff and then come back
because it's it had me like hysterically laughing. She was showing me when I was driving the car.
It's probably not the most responsible thing and I almost swerved off the road. Yeah she is she's a
real hoot you guys. I feel like with my, it's really important that I'm always on the pulse of everything and watching where things are going. I always tell Michael if I wasn't a podcaster and a blogger, I would be a talent spotter. Don't mean to brag. And I am telling you with Heather, she is going to be major and huge. Not that she already isn't. She's already huge, but I feel like she's like the next amy schumer she's great and i also like i didn't know who that um who the who is the person you showed me she dressed up as for
halloween um wait barefoot contessa yeah is that her name i don't know but it was funny whatever
it was so anyways go look at her do yourself a favor just shut this podcast off you've already
heard it from us go take a look then come back you can hear her again because she really was
amazing and we really liked doing the interview interview sometimes you just need a little comedic relief we're in the middle of a fucking move that's
killing me it's pissing me off it's irritating we have three places right now we have one in
san diego that's basically an overpriced storage locker we have one here in la that's the condo we
have and now we got another condo i've never and we can only be in one place at one time lauren you
need to consolidate you need to do your job as a wife and get me organized no you, you guys have no idea. If you follow along on Instagram story, it's been
pure chaos in our life. Basically we've been commuting from San Diego to LA for the last
eight months. And when I say commuting, I mean back and forth twice a week in traffic. Um, the
other day I calculated how long I was in the car and it was like eight hours, which was pretty
bleak. Um, so basically our stuff is everywhere.
The clothes I'm wearing are three days old. I'm wearing stuff out of the hamper. I don't know where anything is. It's bleak right now. So we're trying to take everything from San Diego and get
it into LA this week. But a lot of you guys are asking me, are we moving out of San Diego? We are moving to LA basically full time,
but we think we're going to get a tiny studio
or one bedroom apartment in Del Mar.
To all our family and friends that have been wondering
if you're still going to be part of our lives, probably not.
Michael.
It's time to go, guys.
Listen, the last 30 years with me has been cool.
Parents, friends, family, but it's time for me to move on.
Do you have to talk like Mr. Rogers when you say that?
Time to move on. All right. So no, Michael's just saying that we're going to be in LA,
but we're also going to be in San Diego a little bit here and there. We have a lot of family and
friends in San Diego, so we're not abandoned. Not anymore, we don't. Michael. I'm just kidding.
We'll still be around. God, I'm going to get so many messages and okay. Don't worry,
I'm not going anywhere. You're not being in the spirit of Thanksgiving. It's November now. I'm thankful that we had that time together, friends and family.
Michael, go read your book. All right, let's talk about Pure Romance before we get into
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this one. Heather McMahon is the next thing, guys. If you don't follow her on Instagram,
you're missing out on so many laughs. And if you don't believe me here, check out her Halloween
costume. Like she won Halloween. I'm telling you. Anyway, Heather is a well-known comedian and she
describes herself as a friend of anyone who owns a deli. I fell in love with her via Insta on a hungover Sunday. Just check out her highlights. You will not be disappointed and your screen time will double. With that, let's welcome Heather, one of the funniest chicks I've ever met, to the show.
This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
So I almost think it's better to, like, keep telling people I'm going to launch a podcast and then it never comes out. That's, oh, I love a cock tease.
Just build a tour around a podcast that may launch.
No, like, let's call it the cock tease tour.
Yes, yes.
Like, that's what you need.
And you can drive around when the tour actually comes in a huge cock.
Yes.
You know?
I'm going to do it.
I love phallic things.
I love phallic foods.
Like, this will be great.
And Jeff, my boyfriend, the Italian stallion, can just drive the cock tease bus.
So on brand.
The Italian Staniel.
Yeah.
He's literally driving around in his Lexus right now around town.
You're dating Sylvester Stallone?
No, literally.
Honestly, kind of.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
He's like a meaty Italian guy from New York, went to Penn State, but he's like a frat daddy
from the South. Like, it's just, it's a lot of things. A frat daddy. What to Penn State, but he's like a frat daddy from the South.
Like, it's just,
it's a lot of things.
A frat daddy.
What's that?
Like, he just wears a lot.
He has like a chest hair
always popping out of his
like button downs.
He like thinks he's Southern,
but he's very tight.
Sounds like a real man.
Yeah, he is.
Full beard,
but like Wolverine beard.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Okay, so I discovered you
through Instagram story.
One of my readers,
I don't know who it was,
so I apologize.
DM me on Instagram if it was you.
Told me to go look at your Britney Spears breakdown.
Yes.
Britney 911.
Yeah, I actually don't mean Britney's breakdown.
I mean your breakdown of Britney Spears.
But my breakdown of her breakdown.
Okay.
Essentially.
Yes.
So I started to become obsessed when I saw that there was tiny furniture in her house.
Okay.
So the tiny furniture thing I have really dissected.
Now, do I think it could be for her tiny dogs?
Yes.
Could it also be for fairies?
Yes.
You know, she has a big thing with fairies.
It could also, though, be for Jamie Lynn's daughter's American Girl dolls.
That's the one I really want to go with.
I think that seems more grounded, but probably it's for the fairies.
For people that don't know what the tiny furniture is, give us context.
She has tiny furniture in her, all over her house, like little baby beds, like literally
like doll beds, little couches.
And she always has them in the background of all the videos that she puts up.
So she'll be like doing her crazy exercises in her gym.
And then you can see the tiny baby bed in the background.
Okay.
So, so back up.
So you, you are a comedian.
Yes.
You come on Instagram Story, and everyone falls in love with you
because you have a great personality.
Talk to me about how you went from comedian to now,
I mean, you're also still a comedian,
but to, like, Instagram Story's standout star.
You know what's funny?
I'm so grateful that Instagram has given me this platform
because I've really, like, been organically doing this for years.
I mean, I'm a character actor and a comedian, so I've been like wearing wigs and doing crazy videos
on the internet forever. But this, for some reason, the story format, like the way I write
jokes now is in 15 seconds. Just getting that like little, like that button, that punch at the end
is just kind of how my brain works now. So I just kind of mastered that art. But I just love that people can, you know,
kind of get a look into my everyday life.
And it's been such a great way for me
to just kind of like share my story.
You know, the last two years have been really wild.
I've moved back home with my parents
or my mom after my dad died.
I was living in LA doing the comedy thing,
like thriving, like hustling.
And then life kind of hit.
And I said, fuck it. I got to go back and, you thriving, like hustling. And then life kind of hit. And I said, fuck it.
I got to go back and, you know, live at home for a little bit and help my mom.
And it's really kind of where, like, my comedy even grew.
You know, sometimes, like, when you're going through dark shit, the funniest stuff comes out.
So I just, people are, like, obsessed with my mom now.
And I'm just telling my stories.
So the fact that people tune in, I'm so grateful for, honestly.
What type of stand-up were you doing before?
I mean, I guess that's broad. But. What type of stand-up were you doing before?
I mean, I guess that's broad, but what was your act based on?
Because now a lot of it has a social component, so you're fitting into that context and those mediums.
What was the act before?
Well, I was a big advocate for, like, I did a lot of improv.
And so I did stuff at, like, UCB here in New York and in L.A.
And my stand-up's really storytelling.
Like, I just kind of, I do a lot of impressions.
What's your best impression?
Well, I personally like doing male impressions.
Like, I love, I'm obsessed with Pitbull.
Like, just, you know, how he talks like this.
He's like, Dolly!
Like, you never understand what he's saying.
Ha ha!
He, like, giggles through everything.
Like, he could literally be like, you know. Mr. Worldwide?
Yeah, Mr. Worldwide, Mr. 305, Mr. In Your Face, oh.
Like, everything about him I'm obsessed with,
so I really enjoy doing men.
And, like, the uglier I am, the uglier the wig,
if I have a neck brace on, like, the grosser,
just the funnier it is to me.
How did you get into comedy in the first place?
Have you always been funny?
Yeah, I was a funny kid.
I was a funny kid.
My family was just so, we're all type A alphas, alphas that i had to be like three steps ahead of the game to compete even to
like sit down at dinner and keep up with my family so i've just always been a funny where do you think
that comes from um probably my parents my parents both had like a sick sense of humor and um it's
funny people ask me like where do you get confidence? I've just always lived my life overly confident because I had to, you know?
And it's funny.
What do you mean?
Like, I just, I don't know.
I get up and I, like, like who I am.
And I feel like so many people in this day and age compare themselves to everybody else on Instagram.
Where I think one of the reasons why my brand, or I hate even saying, like, my brand, but why people connect and engage with me so much is because I'm all about, like, being honest and, like, being truthful.
Like, you know, nowadays everyone's like, oh, look at what I have, look at what I'm doing. But
I've always been like, what's good? I had to move back home with my mom. I'm 31, you know,
hashtag thriving. Okay. We have to talk about confidence because I feel like this is, this is
kind of a hot topic on our podcast. How, I love how you say, I like who I am. I'm not sitting on
Instagram comparing myself to everyone else. You, it seems like you really stay in your own lane.
Can you give someone who's maybe struggling
with confidence some tips?
You know, I have young women all the time send me
messages, how do you deal with confidence? And I'm like,
listen, I really think
I had a good relationship with my dad. I'm so grateful
for that. And he always told me, he was like, Heather,
you're a McMahon. You can do anything. But you
really just have to like who you are. At some point, you're
like, fuck it. I can't be anybody else but me.
So I got to get up every day and look myself in the mirror and be like, you got this.
You can do it.
I mean, look, I could compare myself being in the business.
Oh, my God.
Being a female actress in the business.
Can't tell you how many times I've gone on auditions where literally the breakdown has said something like morbidly obese but beautiful.
You know, if I took what everybody's, I know, and I'm like a normal sized human. But in the entertainment business, I'm considered morbidly obese but beautiful. You know, if I took what everybody's, I know, and I'm like a normal-sized human,
and in the entertainment business, I'm considered morbidly obese.
And if I let that get to me.
Morbidly obese?
Oh, honey, that is like.
Anyone that's listening, go Google Heather.
She's stunning.
You're not morbidly obese.
But in the business, that's what it's considered.
So there's so many times where, you know, being in this business and constantly getting rejected could affect me.
But at the end of the day, I don't know if I'm just like a narcissist or what, but I'm like, I'm
fucking fantastic. So if you're not going to hire me, that's on you. And also my parents were so
savage, like again, cause we're all type A and my sister's an attorney. My dad was a ball buster.
My mom's from Boston. Like no, no director or producer could ever say anything to me that my
own parents haven't said to my face. You know, I didn't grow up with parents who were like,
oh honey, here's a participation. Oh my god, Michael's gonna have
a tangent with this. Okay, I'm just gonna step back from
the mic. I think we're doing children a disservice.
Oh, 100%. My parents
were- I get in trouble all the time for saying that. I think like
there's no 8th place
trophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's bullshit.
10th place, you don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no.
You either win or you don't and if you don't, it's like
hey, try harder next time and you might win the next time.
Or figure out what you're good at.
Like, my dad was like, Heather, you're too chunky for soccer.
Like, you're huffing it up and down the field, you know?
And I mean, but I was like that chunky kid who was just like trying to do the most.
And so he was like, what do you love?
I'm like, I love to dance and I love theater.
He's like, all right, let's focus on that.
That's the smart dad, though, to take your strengths and zone in on that. Yeah. I love the guitar. I love music. But I don't have an ounce of musical ability in me. Right, right. It's like, I'm not going to get out there and be like, all right, let's focus on that. That's a smart dad, though, to take your strengths and zone in on that.
Yeah.
I love the guitar.
I love music.
But I don't have an ounce of musical ability anymore.
It's like I'm not going to get out there and be like, you know, my dad said I might be one day.
And just like, you know.
And then my dad really wanted me to play professional golf because I was a good golfer going up.
But then my coach, you know, when I hit like my high school coach, I think I was junior year.
I finally got like big boobs.
And he literally pulled my dad aside.
And he was like, I don't know how to tell you this, but your daughter got tits over the summer.
So I don't know if golf's going to be your thing because we've got to readjust your swing.
My dad was like, all right, we're going to the next thing.
So you have to be realistic with what God gives you.
And I think that's the thing.
Everybody's trying to like live outside their lane.
And I'm like, OK, what am I good at?
I'm good at being self-deprecating and funny and I enjoy who I am and I like making people feel good about themselves and I like giggling like we have
to you know you can't control what happens to you in your life you can only control your attitude
so if I can take that approach and make people laugh and like entertain people then that's what
I was put on this earth to do I know that's not cheesy I always say it's all funny people are like
god you're mean to your husband I'm like it's it's all jokes. It's all funny. It's all lighthearted. We don't take anything too seriously ever.
I want to know about, I feel like the comedy industry is so male dominated.
It really is.
So how do you come into that industry as a woman?
And I feel like you have masculine energy.
I have masculine energy too.
I love masculine energy in a woman.
How do you come in with that energy
and not ruffle feathers?
Or are you ruffling feathers?
It's interesting.
I actually work really well with dudes
because I am such a straight shooter.
So you can tell me to my face,
no, I don't like that.
Let's do it again.
You know, if you were on set,
like I don't,
I really know how to compartmentalize that.
But, you know,
you also have to take everything
a lot of these like egotistical guys say with a grain of But, you know, you also have to take everything a lot of these like
egotistical guys say with a grain of salt, you know, and you just have to play the game a little
bit. You know, and I'm not saying I'm a feminist and all those things, but I really think that
sometimes you just got to be smart as women. We have to think three steps ahead. And I don't get
intimidated by men in the comedy world. Like I really think there's space for everybody. You
just got to be honest and truthful to what your brand is
and what your point of view is.
Everybody's gone through something different,
especially as a comedian.
We're all telling our story from our point of view.
So there's room for everybody.
There really is.
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And I feel like the acts that maybe follow or take from other acts, like that's very short term, yes?
Yeah.
Because you can't, how long can you keep that up?
Yeah, totally.
And like most of like my favorite podcasts I listen to are like male comics because I love
that there's no bullshit and I think that
they are held to a different standard because
they can say whatever they want and I'm hoping that I
can use my voice to kind of like say what
I want to say, you know? I want you to say
whatever you want. Say whatever you want always.
I think as women we do have
to be so careful sometimes and it's
bullshit. It is bullshit.
For me, like my, I kind of got to apprentice a little bit with Joan Rivers, and she was
like my end-all, be-all.
And, yeah, she, like, she told me years ago when I first moved to L.A., I went up to her
at a restaurant.
I remember Dominic's.
It was in Beverly Hills.
So before it closed, I went in there.
I was sitting.
I had just moved to L.A.
I was eating at the bar, and she came in, and I knew her a little bit from the stand-up
circuit in New York, really just as a fan.
And I went up to her at her table and I was like,
Ms. Rivers, I just want you to know you're the reason why I do this.
I'm obsessed with you.
And thank you so much for being a pioneer.
She was so gracious and has always been so nice to comics.
And she came up to me afterwards and she said,
I just want you to know you have chutzpah.
Nobody else has the balls to do what you're doing.
And I feel your energy and you have great energy and you're going to make it.
And I got in my car and I wept like a baby.
And I called my dad.
I was like, Joan said I'm going to make it.
And that was like that pivotal moment in my life where I was like, you got to just be ballsy and steamroll ahead and do what you want to do.
What do you think Joan did differently than other comics?
She didn't take no for an answer.
And she was one of the she was the pioneer for women saying all those things that we didn't think we could say. I mean, yeah, she was making, you know, she was talking about abortion, all those things
that you shouldn't talk about, quote unquote, back in the day. And she's she's some of the
just most sarcastic, hysterical, witty, just out of the box humor. And if you go back and like
listen to some of her old stand up, it's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant.
Michael and I always talk on the show about how important it is to carve out your niche and ride the niche.
And I feel like she did that.
You do that, too, on your Instagram stories.
Do you have a strategy?
Or do you just wake up in the morning and say, this is what I'm going to post?
Or I feel like posting about Britney.
There is no strategy, honestly.
It's very organic for me.
Because I have such a big background in improv, that's literally how my brain thinks. Brittany like what's there is no strategy honestly it's very organic for me um you know because I
have such a big background in improv like that's literally how my brain thinks it's always you know
on my feet actually I have a hard time when I have to sit down and write a script like when I do my
characters it's I'm always just out I mean I might have a concept um or like an arc of the story for
the day but I just kind of go with it when you're when you're formulating an act like do you how
does that process work do you see something that's funny and right away no there's a joke or do you have to take time and process and then write it
out like how does that process look um yeah I mean I think I'm so observant I'm always watching
what's going on always so I mean I write things down and I'm not just a stand-up you know I haven't
done stand-up in a hot second I'm going to get back into the market now which is you know I took
some time off so that's going to be a very humbling grind again. But yeah, when you see something funny, you just kind of make note of it. And then it's,
you know, writing a joke is basically, the punchline is always something that people don't
expect. Okay. So that's how you write comedy. You know, you just, what do you see? And then
twist it. What, you know, if you tell something that somebody is going to expect, then that's
not funny. But if you throw in a zinger, you know, they're like, oh, I didn't see that coming.
I never thought of it like that.
Yeah.
So every time you want to go for something that they wouldn't think that they were going to laugh at.
Or just like how you write punchlines and the button to a joke.
It's just you never see whatever you're finishing with.
Like the punchline is just not what they thought, what they expected.
Got it.
I hope I'm doing that justice.
Did you learn to do that or was it something that, again, just came natural?
I think it's just you.
It's just natural.
It's natural.
Okay.
Well, what if there's someone out there that's listening and they want to get into comedy?
Do they have to be naturally funny?
No, but I think you have to be observant and you have to like love, you have to love comedy.
You know, you have to be one of those people who's always trying to find the quirkiness or the awkwardness in situations. So you have to be observant,
like I said. And if you want to get into comedy, I'd say take a standup comedy class,
take an improv class, go to UCB, go to Second City. You know, in every city they have a major
comedy, you know, the comedy store, the punchline or any of those places. Just take a class and
just try it. And really, you know, I don't know. If you're naturally funny, you know
if you're naturally funny. But I'm the kind of person
like, I make myself laugh. You know what I mean?
I don't know about that. Like, I literally
can sit around and like, I don't mind
hanging by myself. And I'm like, I could just
make myself laugh all day, you know? Just, I
don't know. It's that inner monologue with myself.
What I love about comedy is you could take the darkest
things or the hardest moments and you could
turn it into laughter, which is, there's an art to that but um you know they say laughter is the best
medicine and I feel like comics do such a good job of taking things that are traumatic and turning
them on their head I mean listen they always say there's two types of comics there's people who
come from really dark place and then just genuinely joyful people I do think I'm a genuinely joyful
person but listen I mean I watched my dad die of cancer almost three years ago and I had kind of lived a picture perfect life, right? Never really had any struggles growing up.
And coming out of that darkness came the funniest shit I think I've ever written in my life.
And even just like, I mean, I'm writing, hopefully writing a TV show right now about,
you know, watching somebody die of cancer. Like it was just the funniest shit. Even my dad had
a sense of humor in the hospital while he's dying.
Like, what's an example of how you can take something dark like that
and make it into something funny?
Um, well, my dad was a big guy, and I'd take after him,
like, broad shoulders.
I was the son he never had.
And when my dad got cancer, I mean, literally, my dad was like,
you know, if we needed to, you know, those, like, giant crystal springs,
five-gallon jugs?
Like, I was the one who always had to carry it upstairs to my parents.
He's like, God damn, Heather, grab two of those things.
I'm like, Dad, I'm like 11 years old.
I can't carry these giant jugs.
But when my dad was dying, he lost a lot of weight,
and he was such a big dude, and he pulled me aside in the hospital.
He was like, hey, listen, you know you're built like me, right?
I was like, you're right, Dad.
He goes, if you start getting skinny, you're probably dying, okay, honey?
So don't lose any weight.
It's a bad sign.
And so literally, I'm always like, oh, I don't want to get too thin because I'm probably dying.
Like, you have to laugh at this shit.
You cannot control what happens to you, right?
And just even the stuff after my dad died.
Oh, my God.
Like, going through grief.
Grief is so funny.
If you, like, take a step back.
It was almost like an outer body experience for me.
Like the funeral dynamics and everything?
Oh, my dad's funeral was, like, the funniest thing I've ever been to in my life.
One of his friends from high school came up and he was so stoned.
And we had like 600 people at the funeral.
This guy was so high.
He was a popular dude.
Yeah, he was.
He was a popular dude.
And so we cremated my dad because when he died, he was so distanced.
Like he had put on so much fluid from the cancer.
And he died in Texas.
Okay, here's another thing.
Try to get a body from Texas back to Atlanta.
Forget it.
It was a shit show.
What do you do with that?
Oh, it's, like, a whole thing.
And my sister's an attorney.
Thank God she took care of it.
So my dad had already bought his burial plot for, like, our whole family, right?
Because that's what you do in the South.
You, like, buy a plot of land where you're going to bury your family.
And the lady at the funeral home is like, you know, I don't know how to tell you this,
but we're going to need an extra large casket for your dad.
And you're probably that's going to encroach on your mom's burial plot.
My mom's like, so you're telling me that my my extra large husband needs a big and
tall casket?
She's like, over my dead body and his.
She's like, what can we do?
We're cremating him.
She's like, your father would come back and haunt us if we gave you, you know, a plus
size casket, basically. So we end up cremating him. She's like, your father would come back and haunt us if we gave you, you know, a plus size casket, basically. So we end up cremating him and his friends were so high at
the funeral that one of his buddies came up and he's like, how do I say bye to your dad? I was
like, hey, Mike, he's in that urn. He's like, wait, I don't understand. Where's the body? I'm
like, he was torched two days ago. He's there. So if you want to say goodbye, just, I don't know,
hug the urn. I don't know what to tell you. You know, it's just like such an outer body experience.
So you have to really, in the darkest times, I think it's actually you find the most laughter and the brightest light, if that makes sense.
You said you're writing a show on, it's on death.
Well, it's, I want to write a show about grief because I think a lot of people don't talk about it, especially in your 30s.
You don't know how to approach it, right?
Yeah, like, I mean, how?
Everybody's like, oh, I have my life together, have my life together.
Or when you've dealt with grief, it's when you were young or, you know, when you're older and you expect your parents to die.
My dad died at like 57, pretty young.
From cancer, we didn't even know he had.
I mean, from the day of diagnosis to the day of death, it was a week.
So I'm writing a show really, yeah.
So when people, that's even another thing when people are like, oh, we relate because
your dad died of cancer. I'm like, I don't even feel like we had a fighting chance you know
I feel bad because I can't really relate to people who went through chemo and went through all those
things you know I basically that's a grueling process watching oh for sure and I'm I'm grateful
that my dad passed quickly but it's also just this weird thing where like where do you fit in
when you talk about grief so the show that I really want to write though is about the process
of me coming home.
And like here I was like, you know, hustling in L.A. and then to come home back to Atlanta
literally at 30, moving back in with my mom just to figure shit out, you know.
And I joined like a bridge club at my mom's country club because I was like, well, if
I'm going to like party with these 65 year olds, I'm going to do it right.
You know, and like I drink Chardonnay every day at four.
Like I'm kind of thriving at home.
It's been hard,
but I also think that I want just a
female-driven show about what it's like to be
in this situation.
I love that idea.
I think that is genius.
It's not just about sad shit. It's just about
how you readjust your life, right?
Right now, at this moment, are you
in New York for fun, or do you live here?
Well, I'm moving back to New York.
Okay.
Yeah.
The Italian Stallion lives here.
We want to hear about the Italian Stallion.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, he's just the cutest.
So we, I'm probably either moving at the end of the year or first thing in January.
Okay.
Is the Italian Stallion funny?
Oh, he's so funny.
Does he let you have center stage or is it like a fighting?
100%.
And if he didn't, this wouldn't work.
Okay.
So funny.
We met years ago when I was doing improv and stand up.
Jeff, you know, he just finished grad school, but he was working a corporate job at the
time and he would show up to like my comedy shows in a suit and he'd be on the front row
and laugh at everything because he just, he's like my number one fan and that's the way
every relationship should be.
And people always thought he was my manager and they're like, your manager is so young
and handsome.
I'm like, that's my boyfriend. But you know, he would just always be front row, like just cheering
me on. Talk to me about that. You just said that's how every relationship should be. I totally agree
with you. I think that it's so important to marry a teammate. Yes. Someone that you actually like.
Yes. That's important. People don't say that. It is. It seems like a pretty simple concept, but
there's a lot of misfires out there.
A lot of misfires.
I know so many women that want to get away from their husband.
And I'm like, we have to leave each other for a week.
And we're both like, what do we do?
We're so used to being, we love to be around each other.
100%.
And I feel, I mean, I had a great example because my parents were madly in love with each other.
And my mom was the original cougar.
My mom was 11 years older than my dad.
Ooh, I like it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Mom.
Mom was thriving in Miami, looking for the young guys.
Whoa, Mom.
Yes. And so when I met Jeff, honestly and truly,
I'm basically marrying my father, which is great
because I had a great relationship with him.
But even down to what Jeff eats for breakfast,
I'm like, oh, shit, this is what my dad does.
But, yeah, I think that your partner has to be your fan.
Like if you're not rooting for each other, what are you doing?
And we've been together seven, it'll be eight years in February.
And we've been long distance.
And Jeff has always been my cheerleader.
Like I was living in New York and I was like, listen, babe, I got to go to LA.
And he's like, I want you to get that out of your system.
And I want you to do that because I don't want you to ever think that I held you back.
You know?
And so now he's here and you're moving in together?
Yes.
Oh, for sure.
Have you ever lived together?
No, we haven't lived together.
And his mom seems to think that that's going to be like, you know, like that's going to
break it.
Okay.
Let me ask the dynamics.
Are you moving into his house or are you guys finding a house together?
No, we're finding a place together.
Okay.
Everyone that's listening, I think that's the way to do it and I'll tell you why.
I had a beautiful place. Lauren kicked me out of it and said, nope, we're finding a place together. Okay, everyone that's listening, I think that's the way to do it, and I'll tell you why. I had a beautiful place.
Lauren kicked me out of it and said, nope, we're going somewhere else.
He had the most beautiful penthouse, gorgeous situation, and he goes, well, you're going
to move in here, right?
And I go, fuck no.
Good for you.
We're moving into our own house.
I don't care if it's smaller.
All I care about is light and no carpet.
Light and no carpet.
I need to take a selfie on no carpet and I'm good.
And so I wanted to move in a space with
him because I felt like if
I moved into his space, it would have been like,
hey, yo, your towel's on my
floor. And I just couldn't do
that. I think everyone that's listening,
even if you have to downgrade, move
in together and make it an
equal situation. Absolutely.
In my opinion. In New York York though, where are you looking?
I don't think there's any such thing as me
having any equal kind of say in
any of this. But it's basically like we're moving out and you're doing
what I'm saying. I said, okay, well. But it's
sweet that you think it's equal. Our walk-in pantry
is a museum.
This is why I miss L.A. so much. We're looking at
apartments now. And like, you know, when you move in New York
you literally have to show up like the
day before you want to get the keys. Why? Because that's how quickly things move in New York, you literally have to show up like the day before you want to get the keys.
Why? Because that's how quickly things move
in New York. They just go quick. It just goes so
quick. It's similar in LA. Not as bad as here,
but... Yeah, and you have to show up with like,
you know, a DNA sample,
your W-2s, like everything to the point
where like... Bag of money. Yeah, a bag of money,
you know, gifts for the children of the
landlord. Like, it's so aggressive, it's unbelievable.
So you can't really get your heart set
on anything. But it's so sad.
We have a very healthy budget and I'm just like
my one qualification is I just want to be able to get a
king-size bed in a room.
Even in some of these luxury buildings, that's
actually a luxury. You need good light though for your Instagram
stories too. Exactly. I need great light.
Good light is all that matters nowadays.
Nothing else matters. You can live in a shoe.
Yeah. But I'm like, he and You can live in a shoe. Yeah.
But I'm like, he and I cannot fit in a smaller bed than a king-size bed together.
So I'm like, Jeff, we just need a king-size bed.
But that's New York.
So for me, it's very claustrophobic going back from, like, L.A. and Atlanta back to New York where, you know, man, you are living the good life if you're in, like, 800 square feet.
So. good life if you're in like 800 square feet so i want to know about the tips that you have for
writing because i know as a blogger it's sitting down to actually write is for me it's like i put
it to the absolute last fucking second right and then i'll write at 11 30 at night and all day i'll
be thinking about it but i can't like and that's probably not the best. I'm a procrastinator, too. Okay, so you procrastinate. Yes.
Do you write at night?
Oh, I fully come alive at 11.30.
Okay.
My best, most creative hours are from probably, yeah, 11.30 to about 4 a.m.
Huh.
If you get me up at 8, I could have seven iced coffees.
That's not how my brain thinks.
But my dad was the same way.
I am my father's daughter, but, like, literally, like, that is just when I come alive.
What's the process when you're sitting down to write?
Because usually I get in bed and then I'm flooded with all these ideas and then I just have to get up and I just have to go for it.
Are any of them based off your Instagram stories?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think they always say write what you know, right?
You have to write from experience.
You have to write from truth.
So, yeah.
What were you like in high school?
I'm curious.
Honestly, I was student body president.
I was one of those.
You know what I mean?
I went to the same school, a very intense Christian school from, like, kindergarten through 12th grade.
So I knew everyone.
But I was, like, in theater but also, like, cool, you know, and, like, did cheerleading and shit like that.
I was pretty well rounded I want to bring this full circle and just
talk about your breakdown
of Britney's breakdown
can you like just explain how you
did that on your highlights for anyone that wants to
go watch this because it was insane
what was the motivation behind this?
I need like more info on this
okay basically real talk I was super hungover on a Sunday
and I was just scrolling through Britney's Instagram
and I got like like, so much anxiety
looking at all these celebrities commenting on her,
acting like her behavior was normal.
I'm like, when are we going to actually sit down and address this?
So I casually made a comment on Instagram, like,
are you guys seeing what I'm seeing?
And everybody just flooded in.
They were like, we've been thinking this for years.
We totally agree.
So it was finally, like, I think I just kind of had to say it. You know, I was a whistleblower for the fact
that all these like herself and Lindsay Lohan and all these people are clearly giving cries for help
on the Internet. So when you say cries for help, what were some what are some ways that you think
that she's crying for help? Because you got so specific in this this breakdown of her. OK,
specifically, she was doing these runway fashion videos
in her house and it's like she's got her
bad extensions hanging out, like three day
old makeup and she's in these
tight bandage dresses. It's
clear that she is
the one recording it and setting it to like
really shitty music and I'm thinking
where's her PR people?
And by the way, I just want to tell everyone
out there, you're not coming from a hateful space.
No, I'm obsessed with Britney.
She's not making fun of her.
You're like, you're actually wondering what's going on.
If there's something behind the scenes we're not seeing.
Yeah.
It was just kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Why are we all acting like this is totally normal behavior
when she's clearly like speedballing out of her mind right now.
You know what I mean?
For somebody who is such a professional performer
with the crazy makeup and, like, you know,
looking like she just rolled out of TJ Maxx,
I'm like, what's going on?
So, I mean, I'm a huge Britney fan, always have been.
So it really was just kind of like,
ooh, what's happening here?
Honestly, you look like Britney when Britney was, like,
slave for you.
I'm dying.
That's, like, the nicest thing.
Do people tell you that?
No, I get a lot of people.
It's a range of people.
I really mostly get Stifler's mom, Jennifer Coolidge.
Yes.
I often get her.
I get Blair from The Facts of Life.
Okay.
Yeah.
You do.
You resemble Britney a little bit.
I really appreciate that.
We're both from the South, so I think I give up that Southern hospitality vibe.
Do you ever do an impression of Britney?
No, I haven't, but I need to start working on it.
Yeah, we need you to break down Britney
with your impression of Britney.
I could absolutely do that.
And the thing is, she really has like a deep register.
Her vocal range is very deep.
And so the more I started delving into like
what's actually going on with Britney,
the more I realized how her brand
has essentially manipulated her
and changed her over the years.
And I really think she, like her normal speaking voice is probably down here like mine.
Paris Hilton's is the same way.
Oh, Paris.
Well, Paris is, I think, is the one who started stirring the pot.
Oh.
So we're going back to, like, 2001.
Okay, let's really break this down.
Okay.
What's the two things that Lindsay and Britney have in common?
They used to be besties with Paris.
Wow.
Mm-hmm. That's true. Yeah. And when Britney started getting a little They used to be besties with Paris. Wow.
That's true.
Yeah.
And when Brittany started getting a little crazy,
she was partying with Paris.
Yeah.
Paris seems like she's doing just fine, though.
Paris is doing just fine.
I have to, like, just shout this out.
Paris pulled me in the bathroom when I was 21 and tried to make out with me.
This is a true story.
I know I've never told it on the podcast.
She pulled me in the bathroom.
I'll never forget this.
I was such a big Paris Hilton fan.
I was wearing one of those fake Dior bags with Dior, Dior, Dior.
Absolutely.
Go on.
I was wearing a pink latex mini skirt.
Good for you.
With like the blondest of blonde hair, like thinking I was Paris Hilton.
Right.
And I ran into her at an L.A. club and I was in L.A. just for the night.
I lived in San Diego.
So this was like a major deal.
Right.
And she pulled me in the big stall with her, and we peed together, and all she said was,
you're hot.
That's hot.
That's hot.
That's hot.
Kind of went in for a kiss, and then pulled me to her table.
Okay.
And then I have another Paris Hilton story that I just remembered.
What?
I smoked weed with her at her house.
Did she try and with you again?
No, she didn't try to kiss me this time.
This another time.
What's going on here?
How many stories you got?
I've never heard any of these stories.
Maybe I'm going to have a Brittany Lindsay breakdown.
Wait, I just remembered.
Okay, so.
I think it's starting.
It's happening now.
Harrison Ford had a son.
Hey, Malcolm.
And he brought my friend and I to her house and she was smoking a huge blunt eating In-N-Out and we smoked a blunt together.
And that was when I was 19.
So maybe that's why she pulled me in the bathroom.
I don't know.
Yeah, I just remember that.
Well, I've heard that apparently there was a little love triangle between Brittany and Lindsay.
Sorry, Brittany, Lindsay, and Paris.
And apparently Paris went for Brittany.
Who are you going for?
I think I'm terrified
of Paris, honestly. I'm going for Brittany
out of all three. Yeah, I'm going for Brittany.
Oh, who I'd want to make out with? Oh, for sure
Brittany. Yeah, I'm going for Brittany.
Yeah, she's got like, just, you know, I think it'd be sweet.
Who are you going for, babe? I think I'm going for Brittany, too.
You're going for Brittany? Yeah, what the hell?
Why are you going for anyone? Well, you know. going for Brittany, too. You're going for Brittany? Yeah, what the hell? Why are you going for anyone?
Well, you know.
You can go for Brittany.
I've been hearing about you.
In this scenario. That was a trick question.
You can go for someone.
Yeah, I'm going for it.
It's too late now.
Yeah.
But apparently there was a tryst between, like, Paris and Lindsay were fighting over
Brittany, is what I've allegedly heard, okay?
And then that's why Paris and Lindsay still hate each other.
Oh.
Because Paris got Brittany and Lindsay didn't get Brittany.
But Lindsay got Sam Ronston.
Yes, but I mean, are you going to fight for Sam?
I'm not.
No, no, no, I'm fighting for Brittany.
I'm fighting for Brittany.
Okay, but that is interesting that that's the common denominator.
It's Brittany, bitch.
It's Brittany, bitch.
It really is.
God, I want women fighting for me, you know?
I've never dipped in the lady pond, but I feel like I need more power lesbians trying to, like, you know, beat down my door.
Michael and I just had a podcaster, or not a podcaster, a writer on that writes about how...
Wednesday Martin, have you heard of her?
I haven't.
She wrote this book called Primates, Park Avenue Primates.
Okay.
And she writes about how a lot of women are actually having more affairs than men.
Really? And they're having affairs with women. women are actually having more affairs than men. Really?
And they're having affairs with women.
But she backs it up with scientific studies.
So, like, a lot of women are late-in-life lesbians.
So I'm thinking if Michael's doing something weird, you never know.
She calls them pussy whispers.
A plot twist.
That was our first question.
We said, what is a pussy whisperer?
She writes all about it.
You never know.
Honestly, I love that.
I want to get that on a t-shirt, just pussy whisperer? She writes all about it. You never know. Honestly, I love that. I want to get that on a t-shirt,
just pussy whisperer.
Lead with fear.
I've had at least three of my girlfriends
in their, you know,
we're in our early 30s come out.
Really?
And it's not necessarily,
and I know this is like writing a fine line,
but they're like dating women now.
And they say like,
oh, I'd go back to men,
but I'm really in love with a woman right now.
So I don't necessarily know
if they're full on lesbian. I don't know, because I hate to like categorize someone, but I don't know how that a woman right now. So I don't necessarily know if they're full-on lesbian.
I don't know because I hate to categorize someone,
but I don't know how that works.
But I have two girlfriends who are now dating women.
I think women have become turned off
because of men's behavior on dating apps.
That's my theory.
Oh, 100%.
We don't need to see your abs in the mirror
with your protein powder in the corner.
I'm actually not attracted,
and this is not throwing Jeff under the bus, but I've never been attracted
to like super ripped ab dudes
because I'm like, okay, the amount of time that you could spend in the gym
you could also spend at work making more money.
Is Jeff very ripped?
We're both top heavy, you know what I mean? He's got broad shoulders,
he's got the best legs and
ass you've ever seen, but you know, he's a little tender
in the middle, you know? And that's the way I like him.
He in the gay world would be considered a bear,
I believe. We had a whole podcast about
this as well. Bears and otters.
You might be an otter or a seal.
No, he's not, actually. It was between
an otter and a dad.
Yeah, I've still, there's a lot that I don't
understand. Like a daddy, like a zaddy daddy?
Like a, like a... I don't know what a
zaddy daddy is. Yeah, what's a zaddy daddy?
It is a, well, a sugar daddy. I just feel like
everyone says zaddy now. It's not a sugar daddy.
But listen, all these things,
pussy whispers, daddies, otters, I'm
learning as I go. I'm figuring it out.
You're whatever we say you are.
Heather, what is a book, a
resource, a podcast that you recommend
to our audience? It could be something inspirational,
self-care, something funny, anything
that you would recommend that they can
go pick up and read or watch or listen to.
Okay, well, one of my favorite
comedians, his name's Theo Vaughn.
Oh my God. I'm obsessed with Theo. He's the best.
Do you know him? He's Michael's favorite.
We went to see a friend of ours at a
stand-up and Theo, we didn't
know about Theo at the time and he came and performed.
Shout out to Dana and Annabelle.
Yeah, and
he was formed with like 30 people.
And immediately I went home and watched his Netflix special.
And I started listening to his podcast.
For some reason I knew you were going to say that was one of your favorite movies.
And I'm trying to get him to come on this show.
Oh my God.
Well let me be a fly on the wall for that.
I am obsessed with him.
He's fucking hilarious.
He is fucking hilarious.
And I just love that his podcast.
So his podcast is called This Past Weekend.
But he just has such a
stream of consciousness
and he just has a good,
like a giggly,
goofy personality,
but he also talks about
serious shit.
And as a comedian,
I enjoy breaking down
serious stuff,
but also like bringing
a positive spin on it too.
I just,
I find him hysterical
and really entertaining.
I feel like he's,
he's really like blowing up
right now too.
He's totally blowing up.
Yeah,
I think he's going to be the next huge comic. Absolutely. You actually remind me of, he's really like blowing up right now too. He's totally blowing up. Yeah, I think he's going to be the next huge comic.
Absolutely.
You actually remind me of, it's really funny that you said him because I was thinking right when we started, you remind me of him but a woman.
Like you guys have similarities.
I love that.
You do.
Well, and the thing is he is such a good representation for the South too and he talks about it a lot on his podcast.
Like especially being in this industry, we're so sick and tired of people portraying the South as we're a bunch of like Trump supporter idiots, you know, and just he always talks
about that, like being in Hollywood and and how we're trying as Southerners trying to
tell those honest stories about people from the South.
And we're not a bunch of, you know, ignorant idiots.
I mean, I'm going to listen to his podcast.
Everyone says it's so good.
It's amazing.
I got to listen to.
Yeah, he's incredible.
OK, Heather, we'll be waiting for your podcast that's breaking
down Britney. I hope it's coming soon. It will be
coming out. Don't worry. If not, your show
won't be great yet.
It's coming. Where can everyone
find you? Pimp yourself out.
On Instagram. Okay. At
Heather K. McMahon. It's okay for
like Kardashian. And if someone's
new and they want to like watch the highlights,
where should they start with Britney?
There's part one, two, three, four?
Yeah, start at the beginning, right?
Let's not miss anything.
And then...
You break it all down.
I break it all down.
Yeah, and then get really deep.
I love when people get deep into that feed.
I got deep.
It was Sunday.
I was hungover and someone told me to watch.
I thought I was going to watch a couple stories.
I was like, oh my God, this girl is so good.
I couldn't look away.
Listen, I'm just honored and flattered that people are tuning in.
I'm literally recording this live from my mom's basement kind of situation.
So stay humble in the meantime.
And I love when I get a like like 62 weeks prior.
I'm like, oh yeah, they're in it.
Those memes, you got to be careful not to accidentally like 62 weeks back.
But I'll follow them right back.
Like if somebody's that deep, I'm like, oh, they're in it.
I'll follow you back.
You know what I mean?
I want to show you love too.
You guys, that's how you get a follow from Heather.
Go 62 Weeks Back.
Yes.
Thank you for coming on.
You're incredible.
Hey, thanks for having me.
This is awesome.
Hey, guys.
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