The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #149: Breaking Beauty w/ Jill Dunn - Hot Beauty Products, Skincare Secrets, & Lauryn's Favorite Beauty Tips

Episode Date: November 13, 2018

On this episode Lauryn is solo and sitting down with Jill Dunn. Jill Dunn is the co-host and co-founder of the Breaking Beauty podcast. On this episode Lauryn talks to Jill about the hottest beauty products, skincare secrets & Lauryn and Jill's skincare secrets.  To Lisen to The Breaking Beauty Podcast click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) For Detailed Show Notes click HERE  This episode is brought to you by Liquid I.V.  Liquid I.V. is the great-tasting, portable powder drink mix that is changing the way the world hydrates. The hydration multiplier uses the breakthrough science of Cellular Transport Technology (CTT) to deliver hydration to the bloodstream faster and more efficiently than water alone. Liquid I.V. contains three times the electrolytes of leading sports drinks and is free from preservatives, artificial sweeteners or colors. Go to www.liquid-iv.com and ENTER PROMO CODE SKINNY15 AT CHECKOUT TO RECEIVE 15% OFF YOUR ORDER This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 20,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for just 99 cents. That’s right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 20,000 classes for just 99 cents. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny. 

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So Liquid IV is offering all TSC listeners 15% off at checkout when you enter the promo code SKINNY15. So try this if you're jet lagged, hungover, or just dehydrated. That's liquid-iv.com and enter promo code SKINNY15 at checkout. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! Aha! The company head honcho was telling them to go on to Sephora and post positive reviews for their products and it was like it was explicitly detailed about how to do it hide your VPN address so Sephora doesn't know what's coming from here and all of this stuff and so a former employee just like put it out there they're like this is what's happening guys hey guys what's up it's Lauren Everts from the Skinny Confidential, and I am solo today. No Michael. I got the opportunity to interview a badass beauty insider,

Jill Dunn, and I really wanted to pick her brain without Michael because I felt like so many of these products were products that he wouldn't know. We wanted to talk about Drunk Elephant, Glossier, Lancome, kind of everything and really dive into it. This is one of those episodes that you're going to want to pull out the Notes app on your iPhone and write things down. I think that Jill comes with so many recommendations. She truly has talked to the best beauty insiders in the market and really been able to pick their brain so she knows her shit when it comes to beauty products. Okay. With that, before we get into this episode, I wanted to recommend three beauty products that I am obsessed with right now. None of this is sponsored. I'm just really in love with it. Okay. The first thing that I cannot stop using is DPHue's dry shampoo.

Here's why I like it. Okay, you know how when you put dry shampoo on your hair and it gets like white and flaky and kind of falls off your hair? DPHue's shampoo does not do this, okay? There's something about it that just lays on the hair. So I actually went three weeks without washing my hair. I'm not lying, three weeks. Ask my hair. I'm not lying. Three weeks. Ask my husband. I'm sure he smelled it. And DP Hue's dry shampoo saved my life. I used it probably

like eight times throughout the course of those three weeks. And I just feel like it gave my hair the right texture and didn't weigh it down with that flaky whiteness. So check it out. I think it's available on Sephora. So definitely check it out. The next beauty product that I am absolutely obsessed with right now, like I can't stop using it, is this oil from Elemis. Okay, it's a super food oil. Now, if you looked at my latest YouTube video, I actually show you how to steam your face with the superfood oil in it. So you get like a superfood oil steam on your face. It's so nice because it smells so good and also I feel like you're getting all the nutrients and vitamins from the oil in your steam. You can also add more oil after the steam so you'll just smell like a whole spa situation. I cannot stop telling everyone about this oil.

It comes in a green bottle. I believe you can buy it on Elemis.com. Michael's using it. It's a great product to start people off with that are not into skin. It's not super overwhelming. It's simple. It smells good. And it really gets the job done. I'm telling you those fine lines and wrinkles will be gone.

Okay, so the third product that I'm really loving right now is actually maybe not a product, but it counts in this episode. So my latest is I bought this tiny little pink retro fridge. The retro fridge fits a six pack. So I guess it's for beer or alcohol or whatever. I decided to use my fridge for skincare because here's the deal. I was sick of waking up every single morning and having to walk to the kitchen, to the fridge, to get my iPads or my ice roller or my jade roller or the

products that I kept in the fridge. Plus it's like, I don't want all my skin products next to my turkey and cornichons. You know what I mean? Like I just wanted it separate. So I got this mini pink skin fridge. And if you want to know more about it, you can just Google the Skinny Confidential what's in my skin fridge. And I put it in my bathroom.

It doesn't take up a lot of space. So if you're in like a dorm or, you know, you have a small studio, you can totally fit it in there in fact when I lived on my own when I was bartending I had a very very small one bedroom place and this would totally be chic there so it doesn't take up a lot of space and what's great about it is you can fit all the skin products that you want in it okay so you can put your iPads in there. I put my glow recipe watermelon night mask in there. OK, I also put my ice globes in there. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you got to Google the skinny confidential.

What's in my skin fridge? Because I show you like step by step what's in there. I have these collagen drops in there. Anyways, I think a skin fridge is an awesome investment. It's something that looks cute on your vanity. If your woo was getting a little bit too hot, you could throw your woo in there too. And then I also decorated it with woo stickers, which was so fun. I feel like woo stickers are just like so cute.

They have like the little bikini and all these fun things. So I decorated the fridge with that. Every girl on the planet who likes skincare should own a skin fridge. Like I'm just telling you, okay? Especially if you're listening to this episode and you're taking notes, get yourself a pink skin fridge. I feel like they have other colors too. All right.

So those are three things I'm loving when it comes to beauty. Now get your composition notebooks out like Harriet the Spy or pull out your phone and use those notes app because you're going to want to really take notes in this episode. So with that, let's meet Jill. Liquid IV, you guys have heard about it on my Instagram stories. It's kind of everywhere, I feel. I mean, who doesn't want more hydration and electrolytes? So for those of you who are new to liquid IV, it's non-GMO, vegan, gluten-free, soy-free, dairy-free, made in the USA, and independently tested. If you're starting with liquid IV, I really like the lemon-lime flavor, but right now I'm having a

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Definitely try this if you're jet-lagged, hungover, feeling dehydrated. All you have to do is go to liquid-iv.com and enter promo code SKINNY15 at checkout. Jill Dunn and Carolyn Higgins are the two badasses behind the insane podcast Breaking Beauty. They were both longtime beauty editors and they were separating the greats from the gimmicks when it came to beauty products. I had the opportunity to interview Jill and really pick her brain about beauty products, which was so fun for me. Both of the women have interviewed everyone from Emily Weiss at Glossier to Tiffany Masterson of Drunk Elephant. You guys might have heard of them.

And they've gotten to know a lot of the genius creators behind the most top shelf beauty products. Whether it sells every 30 seconds around the world or whether it's a cult following, they really, really find those products and talk about them on their podcast. Together on their podcast, Breaking Beauty, they explore inside stories behind these icons and all their favorite products. With that, let's welcome Jill Dunn from Breaking Beauty to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. All right, Jill, right off the bat, I'm going to ask you what's one product that everyone who's listening should be using that's under 30 bucks. I'm going to put you right on the spot. Okay, it is the Fresh Lip Sugar. Yes.

Really? Yes. I can't stand a chap lip. Guys have them. Ladies have them. And it is like my go-to. I have one in every drawer, every bag. I have the minis.

I have every flavor. I just think it's such a great product. It doesn dry out your lips it has a hint of color you can swipe it on and I just think it makes a huge difference and it also has SPF what's the specific one we need to know like the color okay I like the rosé color it came out last year that's a new color and I think that it looks very subtle and flattering on everybody and it goes well under lipstick because I know the hue that liquid lipsticks is such a huge trend but it can dry out start flaking off and I think you can put it under a liquid your favorite liquid lipstick and it's going to give you that nice smooth base do you do it at night um I use another lip mask at night okay yes and what's that just so the lineage the lineage

i love that one and then also the bite beauty lip mask which i actually gave you one it's in front of you now it is the agave lip mask i think it's like one of the it's a sleeper hit at sephora and because we're based in toronto it is cold the winters are long I always say like every Canadian needs to have a Bite Beauty lip mask because it is Canadian this brand but also it is just incredibly soothing on the lips okay I can't wait the holiday collection has like a candy cane one I think the one that I um that's sitting in front of you now I feel like I end up eating it I know but if you put this one on at night it does like create that barrier so it's really nice okay and and the in the langley is that how you say it lineage lineage okay that's

that one is one that I'm obsessed with right now I've been using it you guys it's insane it's so good and it's a pink it's a really cute little pink jar looks great on the Instagram feed it's it's awesome that's a k-beauty brand but a lot of people think it's French because of the name lineage like when you look at it that means like actually snow in French neige so it's awesome that's a k-beauty brand but a lot of people think it's french because of the name like when you look at it that means like actually snow in french so it's french no it's korean it's korean but when you see some of the when you see the brand name l-a-n-e-i-g-e-a-e i think that's how you spell it it kind of it looks like the name is french okay but it's k-beauty yeah got it okay i'm obsessed with that you guys i going to try the little masks she gave me and then I got to try the fresh. Yeah. It's so good. Okay. That's like a cult classic. It is a cult classic. You've interviewed some

really, really incredible guests like Emily Weiss and Amber Heard, which is insane. What is one of the biggest takeaways that you've gotten from these incredible guests? Can you name a few? I'm sure that's such a good question. I feel like Emily Weiss, she really talked about just the, let me see what she said. I got it. What I liked about that interview, just so I can call it out, is that she talked about being inclusive and not exclusive. Yeah, absolutely.

I think sometimes the beauty industry can feel very exclusive. Yes. And very much like squad and, and I don't know. Girl gang. Yeah. And what I like about what she said is that it, it can be an inclusive community. And I mean, I love that episode. I think my favorite of late that I can recall is Bobbi Brown because she is the makeup artist iconic. She recently left her brand. She's out there now doing her own thing. She's created a line of supplements. She has a hotel she just opened. But I just loved how she was so true to her own beliefs and her brand, I think with the big conglomerate that owned it at the time, like she was, it was sold to Estee Lauder. I think that she felt like it was going in a direction that she didn't want it to go in and she just like walked away from it and I just was like very impressed

with how she has moved forward and has created Bobby 2.0 and it's just that entrepreneurial spirit that she has that Emily Weiss has that like every single it's like this common theme that all of these mostly women that we talk to have they are just so dedicated to their own vision and their own their own integrity that they are not willing to waver on that and it is like very inspiring and I think integral to their success and something that Carlene and I were just talking about my podcast co-host Carlene Higgins she's not here but we were saying there's like these little threads that we're starting to notice between successful beauty entrepreneurs. A lot of them are into astrology. A lot of them have certain numbers that they see everywhere and they take it

with them and they take it as signs to take them to the next level of business. Between Davis Factor had a number, Barb Stegman from Seven Virtues, she had a number as well. So it's really interesting to see a lot of them um will quote the same philosophers and so it's really becoming like you see threads of success when you're sitting across from all of these incredible people that was kind of my next question out of all the insane people that you've interviewed what are the commonalities and and even going beyond astrology is there something that they do like is there a morning routine a ritual this is

a lot of them are part of this 5 a.m. club. I don't think I could do it personally, but it's- 5 a.m. club? Fuck that. Are you fucking kidding me? No, they do. A lot of them get up- I'm not a 5 a.m. club.

I'm more like, let's work it. I'd rather work one to three in the morning. That's me too. Yeah. But a lot of them, it is a common thread. And a lot of them, the other thing fascinating is a lot of them are into cooking and they can all cook well or bake well. Everyone from Lev Glassman at Fresh, he's just opened a restaurant. Bobby Brown is really into food and wellness.

Anastasia Soiree from Anastasia Beverly Hills, we just interviewed her. That's coming up soon on Breaking Beauty. She said she loves to cook and she loves to be in control in the kitchen and i think maybe that's part you know like being inspired by ingredients is kind of like making skincare right so you do start to see these threads between people when you sit down from an all of these successful and yeah the 5 a.m club is just vicky sai from tatcha she says she gets up at 5 a.m. too. And I think they like the quiet of the morning to get through what they need to get through or maybe work out or do what they need to

do before. There's so many demands on these people in the run of a day that they are they need that quiet time for themselves. I feel that from a visceral level. I get mine at night. I feel when you're like you're constantly on and it's chaotic all day long. You need space in your home where it's quiet. Like I told Michael, I said, please don't speak to me until 10 a.m. And I'll set an alarm. This morning he's like playing Howard Stern as loud as he can when I'm trying to meditate. And I'm sitting there screaming through the house. Would you shut up?

I mean, it's like I don't want to hear about Artie crapping his pants or whoever I'm trying to bring and meditate. OK, so I want to get into your podcast. Why beauty? What made you guys get into this industry? How did you even start? Yeah. So Carlene and I, we are both longtime beauty editors. We have more than 25 years experience as beauty editors for magazines. So our background is in editorial and journalism. And in this age of new media in Toronto, as it is with everywhere, magazines are shutting down, print publications are now just going fully online. It's just sort of the age that we're in. But what we really loved was all of the stories in beauty that people didn't get to hear. In particular, that was a lot of it had to do with the founders that we got to spend time with. Over the years, we were very fortunate. We went on press trips to learn about new innovations, whether it was Lev Glasman from Fresh or with Charlotte Tilbury. We've both interviewed Pat

McGrath, behind the scenes, Val Garland, like all these incredible people. And we just said, people need to know these stories. And there's just fewer and fewer places to tell them because magazines are shuttering and so at the time we just saw this huge opportunity and huge white space in beauty podcasts and this was January 2017 when we started thinking about it and in iTunes there was maybe three or four beauty podcasts at the time and now there's a new one every single week. So we just saw that opportunity and the white space. And we knew with our relationships within the beauty business that we'd be able to interview the people that other beauty lovers really wanted

to hear from, whether it was Emily Weiss from Glossier or Lev Glasman from Fresh. We just knew that these people were often the reason why these brands were so successful and they often had compelling incredible stories to tell so right away we were like we're going to be all about the icons and the icons in the making in terms of products we're going to help you celebrate cut through the clutter and separate the greats from the gimmicks and then we decided to do a narrative format because we really wanted to like edit it and make it really tight so when people spend that 45 minutes with us they're gonna get a takeaway of like this is the one thing I want to buy and spend my money on and it's worth me spending money on it and so we we really want to get the damn goods behind beauty's best sellers that's our whole angle and we do that by sitting

down with founders so there's like I mentioned some of them Emily Weiss from Glossier, Anastasia Suare from Anastasia Suare from Anastasia Beverly Hills. And we start with their origin story, where they grew up, what was their first job, all of that, and how they built their brand. What are some products that these women are recommending that you hear over and over and over? Oh, I kind of want to discuss that. I want to get into it because I feel like they're products that you and I maybe use or maybe we don't use. Like what are some things you keep seeing coming up? Before we get into that, I want to tell you guys all about Skillshare. So, so many of you guys have messaged me on Instagram asking me how I get those moving graphics. That is courtesy of Skillshare,

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Again, go to Skillshare.com slash skinny to start your two months of learning now. You want to level up? That's Skillshare.com slash skinny. I think a lot of people love skincare. We sort of touched on it before. I think a lot of people invest in their skincare even more than their makeup because these women are traveling a lot.

Masking is huge, obviously, and putting face masks on the plane. What specific ones? La Mer is almost always mentioned. There's a lot of Tata Harper that's mentioned as well. Tata Harper is a, do you know that skincare brand? I love her stuff. It's all natural and organic. I'm finding more and more people are recommending natural and organic products. The Tata Harper resurfacing mask is one of them. And we don't get them to spill out their beauty bag on the table or anything like that.

But they typically will talk about their facialists. A lot of them will talk about Georgia Louise. She's a big facialist in New York that they all go to. A lot of people talk about Biologic Recherche P50 lotion. That's like an iconic product that many people use and it's hard to get your hands on. What is it? It's an exfoliating toner that smells like an iconic product that many people use and it's hard to get your hands on. What is it? It's an exfoliating toner that smells like shit and it smells like vinegar. I'll put shit on my face if it makes my skin grow. I don't care. I'll put anything on my face. It can get, I'll get dark,

like whatever makes my skin glow. It is a cult cult hit. Tons of models use it. Tons of beauty brand founders use it because after 30 days, totally transforms your skin that refines the texture it balances what's it called again it's hard to pronounce but it's a french brand called biologique recherche lotion p50 okay and we actually did a whole entire episode with the founder of this brand okay and he there he has a medical background so they really do have a different approach to the skin and treating the skin and the skin instant but i would say that a lot of beauty founders have tried it all kind of like beauty editors. And they're going a lot of times for those iconic things, the La Mer, the lotion P50, you know, the Tom Ford makeup and, you know, things they know that are really going to be worth the investment. And they love to recommend. I want to get specific with products. I was really excited to have you on this episode because I feel like you're always surrounded by industry insiders and you have all these secret tips and tricks, which is what the skinny

confidential is all about. So I wanted to go into like specifics. So first let's start with foundation. I kind of want to have a discussion on foundations. Maybe we can talk about our top three favorites. What do you see our top three favorites what do you see people are recommending what do you recommend what have you seen as kind of a standout interesting that we're talking about this yesterday I was at Sephora here in LA and makeup by Mario did a master class there so he's Kim Kardashian's makeup artist and he was like a god in that space yesterday the lineup was huge to interview him and or sorry to take a photo with him and he had it like so on point it was he was a very serious artist it was amazing but he was

talking about how for so long it was just matte skin matte skin matte skin and he was like it's so easy to just put a matte foundation on your face and go out the door because it's it's just easy to cover everything he's like don't mean to brag side note for me it's never been matte skin okay it's always been dewy glow okay so even when I was like 21 so go ahead I'm feeling good about myself yeah so he was just basically saying you don't need to cover you don't need to be wearing foundation that looks like a mask and even if people are doing it on social media I do not think it's very flattering. It's aging. Yeah. You know, when you like are talking to someone and this has happened to me too.

So I'm not calling someone out, but you know, when you're talking to someone and it's like the foundation gets all crackly underneath their eyes. Yeah. It's not, it's not attractive. I like a like very skin dewy glow. I still like full coverage. There's, there's kind of a fine line, right? Yeah. And so he was just saying that you don't need to be doing that. And I was like, yes, preach, preach, because I totally believe that

people have been, especially younger women, you do not need to be doing that. You will regret that when you're older and you have all these wrinkles and you're just like, oh, I wish I could have just let my skin shine through when I was younger. But I think number one, Giorgio Armani Luminous Silk Foundation. Love it. That's my go-to. Have you used that one? I have. I like it a lot. Yeah.

And they also have a mattifying one. But the Luminous Silk one, I do a lot of television in Canada as well. And I wear that on TV all the time. And your skin just looks on point. OK. And if I do want, and then the Kogendo Water Base Foundation. Have you ever tried that one? No.

I need to try it. It's a Japanese brand recommended to me by a lot of makeup artists it's k-o-h-g-e-n-d-o co-gen-do okay what if we want to go cheaper because these are expensive ones what if we're what if we're you know 22 years old we're at the drugstore what are you getting okay you know what I am a big fan of drugstore makeup I love so much of it but I do think you should be investing in your foundation i do think that's one place you can do it i agree but a lot the maybelline formulas a lot of people may or may not know this but l'oreal owns georgia armani they own lancome

they own i'm trying to think of the other cosmetics now and so they're using all of those same formulations in their drugstore brands which which are L'Oreal Paris and Maybelline. Run out to your local Rite Aid and pick up some Maybelline. Which is the best one? I like their new one. It's the poreless one. And then matte poreless, if you do want a little bit more, but I think a little bit more coverage, but I think that they have really good formulas, Maybelline and their BB cream cream is awesome maybelline bb cream now we're going to get specific with powders my personal favorite right now is the laura mercier translucent powder i find we talked about this on your podcast breaking beauty yeah i find that doing an it cosmetic right now i'm into the matte i told you with a damp beauty blender over a caffeinated

sunscreen yeah is amazing and then you do a little bit of Laura Mercier translucent powder with the damp beauty blender that you used with your cosmetics cream. I only do my T zone. I don't like powder all over my face. Yes. Works really well. Is there a powder that you would say is better than that? That is one of the iconic ones.

Definitely worth your money. I just tried the Charlotte Tilbury magic powder. It's brand new just came out and that one is damn good too need to try that because you know she's a makeup artist she's not going to mess around with people looking cakey or um or kind of like they it's splotchy and whatnot that's what i hate about powder it looks radiant it looks beautiful and i think anytime you can have a little bit of shine on your face, like not too much. You want to powder in the T zone, guys.

Don't be powdering all over under, you know, you just don't need it. It's like you're human. Like Mario, Makeup by Mario kept saying this yesterday. He's like, we are human beings. We're not meant to be around looking like statues that are powdered to death. He's like, your makeup will crease a little bit. No, let's not look like someone embalmed you you exactly, you know, like I can look all powdered. Like I, in fact, if I'm going to hire a makeup artist for when I die, I'd like to be buried and look dewy.

I don't want to look over powdered. Okay. Yeah. Can you get that? You've got to write that down. She wants a dewy glow, a little bit of a lash. Brush my up i want no eyeshadow at all no eyeliner i'd love an ardell 113 and feathered brow overline my lips yeah amazing okay what else do you want to know okay so let's also talk about the eyes i don't like eyeshadow i'm not a fan yeah i like um concealer on my eyelid and the reason i like that is because i feel like it brightens the whites of my eyes and my teeth when i put eyeshadow on and it's like brown I feel like it brings out the brown of my eyes and teeth really yes this is for me I don't know if everyone else feels like this and then if you do a yellow or an orange I feel like it's bringing out those tones yeah so for me like

just concealer on the lid I feel opens my eyes yeah what do you recommend for the eyes for eyeshadow I think you you're on to something I think a lot of people are very intimidated by eyeshadow not only just the color what color do I pick um but also just how do I apply it for my eye shape so it can get really it you're just like oh I'm not gonna bother but in terms of quality eyeshadows I think the best bang for your buck out there is urban decayay. I wear them all the time. Everyone says that, guys. It's really fantastic. Obviously, MAC as well.

They are fantastic eyeshadows. And there is, I'm trying to think of a drugstore brand that I like for eyeshadows too. Frankly, Revlon does really good eyeshadow quality. There is this, I don't know if it's an eyeshadow. It might be a shimmer by nyx yeah it's white and it's a shimmer and I put it right and I don't even know what this is called the tear duct yeah like the inner corner the inner corner of my eyes and it pops the whites of the eyes they call that strobing for your eyes I don't know what it's called but I love to do it and it's

like next is a good one too you're right next even for foundation is a good one. That's, that's one of my favorites. Yeah. I want to shift to skin. Yes. Okay. I'm obsessed with skin. We talked about this on your podcast. I mean, it's, I just, I think skin is in lead with your skin. Definitely. Don't just try to be covering up with makeup. Skin to me is like the star of the show. What is your routine like? I, okay. It's kind of, you end up being a bit of a guinea pig as a beauty editor. I get everything sent to me. I'm very fortunate. But you very quickly learn what you're not even going to put near your face for your skin type.

Totally. And don't, I feel like I don't recommend 90% of the products I try. I don't even put them on my Instagram story or on my blog. Yeah. And I am a big believer in that. I don't shit talk products that I don't think are good. I just probably won't mention them. And I also think skincare is very personal. Like you want to have something that works for just because something doesn't work for me, it may work for somebody else. I don't want to like, you know, slag something off that may not

work for me, but it might be someone else's holy grail product. Right. But for me, I have been for probably 10 years using Dermalogica special cleansing gel. I have the, I have the spa size in my shower. It has a pump on it. It is, it takes all of my makeup off. I love it. I'm a little bit of an oilier skin type. So I just love that it takes everything off in one fell swoop. I also use their pre-cleanse oil first. So I'm, I'm really, really big into cleansing. So Dermalogica pre-cleanse and then the Dermalogica special cleansing gel. I am a fool for a good exfoliation in the shower as well. I love this Caudalie product. It has, what is the name of it?

Yeah, it's just their buffing facial scrub. And it is so nice and very, very gentle. And I exfoliate almost every other day because I just have oily skin. And I think it is so nice and very very gentle and I exfoliate almost every other day because I just have oily skin and I think it's so important to like Dr. Dennis said the more you can exfoliate the better yeah I love his product too the alpha beta peel I haven't used it in a bit but I just think like right now if you're talking about trends peels and tonics or exfoliating toners are absolutely massive Dr.. Dennis said at Sephora, he said, if you're going to invest in one of his products, go for the peel pads because peels people think,

oh, I just need them like once every six months. Yeah. No, you can peel your skin every single day. It's not going to actually shed off. Yeah. I mean, I use his peels probably five times a week. I bring it all the way down to my nipples. Yeah. What did you say? Take it to the tits. I'm tits I'm taking it to the I'm taking it under the tits I'm taking it to the fucking belly button that's Carolyn Hirons gotta give credit where credit is due take it to the tits yeah we're stealing that from you yeah take it this episode should be called take it to the tip but um yeah and then I think there's and then for me I also love to use an exfoliating toner I will use use the biologic resher recherche p50 um on occasion or the pixi glow tonic that's iconic that's at targets like 15 um so cleanse use an exfoliating

toner um and then my serums it gets kind of crazy i love what's to not overwhelm everyone what's one serum they have to have okay i love skince SkinCeuticals. Everyone says that. Yes. Shout out to Allison Broad PR because they just sent me that. And I cannot wait to try this. Everyone keeps telling me this. It's in a brown kind of apothecary bottle. And why that's important is because light will destabilize vitamin C.

So I'm all about vitamin C serum. SkinCeuticals, CE Ferulic. Or there's also one for oilier skins. It's the CF Floratin, which I will use that one in the summer. But it just freaking works. You will see results. And if you're going to be using vitamin C, like I said, it can destabilize in light,

dark. It's just a very volatile ingredient. So if you're putting it on your face, you want it to be working. And I know that those are just tested to the nth degree and they work. I think there's a lot of like products out there that say they have vitamin C in it. But honestly, if it's not in a pump and it's not like or in a dark bottle dropper, if it's just in a tub of cream, it's probably not really doing much. Huh. That's interesting. Because light and air and heat and everything just totally degrades vitamin C.

And sometimes now yougrades vitamin C. And sometimes now you see vitamin C powders, like The Ordinary has one for five bucks or something. And you can mix that into the powder into your regular moisturizer, which I do on occasion if I want to switch up my vitamin C. What is going on with The Ordinary? I know. Let me just give you like a little bit of background. Yes. Everyone keeps asking me about this brand. Yes.

This is on my list of topics to talk to you about. Yeah. I have not tried it yet, but I went and did a deep dive into what's going on with the whole thing. And I wanted to read everything and be completely educated. I've heard from everyone, his products work. I can't believe I haven't tried them. Like what's the status here? Well, first of all, they're Canadian. Okay. Can you just give anyone who doesn't know what's going on background? So Deciem is a parent company of, and they have Deciem. It's Latin. I think, I don't know, something to do with Latin for like an umbrella of 10 products.

Anyways, The Ordinary is the most successful brand that they have under Deciem. And the whole idea is that it's no frills skincare that works. Pretty much there's nothing more than 15 or 20 dollars most things are five to ten dollars and what they're doing is just strip back all of the marketing strip back all of the over packaging and strip back the kind of like fancy sort of there's no models there's nothing like all of the things that brands would be spending money on they've gotten rid of that it's just totally streamlined but the guy sounds like a genius yeah so we interviewed him if you guys want to listen to one episode it's um january of 2018 it went live i can't remember the episode number his name

is brandon truax he is the founder of deciem tell us everything is he cool he is so cool I think that he you get a very very good picture of his unfiltered personality in our interview he like tells this incredible story about when he was working at a movie theater when he was 15 and he said I'll work here and I'll do everything you need to do but the one thing I will not do is clean the bathrooms and so they at one point they were like hey it's your turn you got to clean the bathrooms and he was just, no. And then he went in and he had a bucket full of soapy water and he literally like took the soapy water bucket and threw it all over the bathroom and just walked out. And so he has been sort of a rebel for a very long time, his whole life. And this brand is kind of like the rebel of the beauty industry right now

and he he is the owner but um Estee Lauder has a 28% stake in it so just last week the Ontario courts um he was he was doing a lot of sort of erratic things on Instagram that they were not liking he shut down every single Deciem store around the world just from an Instagram order and and his Instagram like the reason for me, it's like you want to look at it. Yes. Is that he, it's not a perfect aesthetic. No.

Like it's just really raw and real and very different than anything that's in the beauty industry. He's kind of doing, there's this book called The Kim Kardashian Effect where it's like just shameless promotion. Yeah. He's doing that in a way that people can't look away. What I'm what I really frame him as and a lot of people

have asked us about him to Carlene and I will often say he's just there's transparency, a movement happening with transparency in the beauty business right now. And he is radically transparent. He is making it so raw, so unfiltered that it's sometimes uncomfortable to watch. And you're not really sure exactly what's happening with him personally. But, you know, the courts have removed him as CEO as it stands right now. But last night he was in New York and he was on his Instagram again saying that all things are going to be, we'll all understand everything soon. And so it's sort of this stay tuned and you're like, what is happening? Love a conspiracy. But people will, he'll do that.

And then somebody, he'll like put out something very kind of like outrageous. Or you're just like, oh my God, they're shutting down every store. And in the comments, somebody will be like, but what about my dry skin? Like they still just want to know what product to buy, right? Because it's so cheap and it works. I always tell Michael, I'm like, give me anything. Just don't give me boring. Yeah, so true. You can give me any anything. Yeah. Just don't give me boring. Yeah. So I, you can give me any kind of personality. Yeah. Just don't give me boring.

Yeah. Have you noticed this like beauty drama that's going on right now in the industry? Have you been keeping up? Well, I, well, here's what I have to say about it. I am a huge fan of Kat Marnell. Do you know who that is? Yes. Okay. She used to be a beauty writer at Lucky and she wrote that book and she wrote how to murder your life. And you guys, if you haven't read the book, it's amazing. And what I like about her is that there was all these cookie cutter beauty situations where there was all these different levels and you had to, you know, you had to get to all the different levels and she came in like, just this wild card. Yeah. I love a wild card. She was all over the place. She was so transparent about her drug use. She talked about taboo things and just hit the industry like that Looney Tunes character,

the one that spun. Yeah, like the whirling. Tasmanian. Yeah, Tasmanian devil. It just went crazy. And then I feel like what happened is another layer. Bloggers came in. Yeah.

And bloggers didn't have to go through all the different, you know, to be the editor of their own blog. So the industry is sort of changing where people are taking it into their own hands. It's not so much now, you know, you can start a podcast, you can start a blog. Yeah. And I feel like she was kind of a crusader of that. So I like how the industry is changing. I don't like cookie cutter things. Like I said, I don't like boring.

Yeah. And they I mean, last week there was some drama with Sunday Riley. I I don't know if you saw that but one of their do you know that skincare brand they have the sea um yes I do good jeans and it's like a luxury line that you see in a lot of high-end department stores and a disgruntled former employee sent out it posted their internal email on reddit after they had left the company where I'm just going to pull it up right now, where basically the company head honcho was telling them to go onto Sephora and post positive reviews for their products. And it was like, it was explicitly detailed about how to do it. Hide your VPN address.

So Sephora doesn't know what's coming from here and all of this stuff. And so a former employee just like put it out there. They're like, this is what's happening guys. I mean, but here's the thing that doesn't shock me at all I feel like every single beauty brand's doing that probably some people don't yeah I mean there's so many beauty brands that do that but I think it's very important how they respond to these things because it's you need consumers trust and you know they just basically said that it was somebody who doesn't work there anymore sent that email.

And we're trying to be transparent. And there's a lot of reasons for doing that because competitors are writing negative reviews and stuff. But to me, it just felt a bit like they were passing the buck. And they just need to be like, you know what? That wasn't cool. And we need to work hard to build the trust back with our customers. And then there's YouTube drama.

There's just like, it's never been more dramatic in the beauty business and i've been doing this for 20 years i think what's happened with social media is that there's so many people that have a voice now yeah for me it's like i like i said give me anything like the conservative beauty world like that that's boring to me i like to shake it up i like these people that are shaking it up and the people that are doing it like brandon from deciem he's he created he just dropped that line at the end of 2016 how much buzz has that created and people just love the products because they feel like they're getting the real deal ingredients for rock bottom prices and they're like I want to support this man he's actually giving us something we've been wanting and so we'll have to stay tuned to see how he's still involved with the company.

How do you think the industry has changed since blogging and influencers came about? Oh, I just think that for sure there's so much more transparency and people want it. And I just think that we're getting to a saturation point where people are like holding a jar of cream and they're saying that they use it, but they probably aren't. I think people are getting really smart. They just see through that kind of stuff and you really need like you talked about it earlier on our podcast like your partnership with dr gross was so natural at sephoria because you actually use everything you love it and you talk about it because you love it sure there's some times where you know we all have to keep our lights on so sometimes you can leverage that partnership to you know make income but at the end of the day if it's just like a barrage of stupid serums on someone's feed, like I just don't buy it. And I think that the that's going to we've reached that saturation point. And now credibility and authenticity have to really come through in order for people to be like wanting to support you with a discount code or buy go through and buy something because you recommended it.

And even with the podcast, we find that people really just want us to cut through the clutter and be like, what is good? What should we actually spend our hard-earned money on? And sometimes it is a Chanel mascara. And sometimes it's a $6 Pantene charcoal shampoo. We just talked in our last episode all about the best of fall and what we think it should actually it's actually worth it what's one product one of them is sitting in front of you the cella skincare it's brand new from canada and it's all based on canadian ingredients i'm obsessed with the packaging i'm trying it live this is is that the essential balm that i gave you right there essential can i use it anywhere yeah you can use it anywhere and why

is this product so good it It is mostly all natural. It's cruelty free. I'm obsessed with the product. It's kind of like marbly and it's created by a spa owner in Toronto. So I just know that she's tried absolutely everything and she's not going to bring something to market that's not luxurious. That's not like doesn't have efficacy. It's just really, really, really nice.

You guys. Yeah, it's so good. It's called Sella. Like really really nice you guys yeah it's so good it's called cellulite oh my god it smells so good it's not insane yeah and she has like scrubs and it's expanding into the states it's a miracle use oil i like that it has elderberry evening primrose yeah juniper berry rosemary lavender blueberry yeah smells amazing yeah and we recommended the chanel 3d printed mascara because we just thought it was a cool innovation and um yeah i don't know there's just there's we really try to just bring people stuff that as editors we're like oh that's that's we've seen that before that's a gimmick we're not going to talk about that but this is the stuff that we

loved and you guys need to know about because beauty at the end of the day is really fun when you can share what you love and that that's what we love to do. And we're just like shooting the shit today, talking about all the stuff that we love that we have in common. And it's always fun to learn something new too. I think with going back to with influencers, I think it's first of all, if I'm going to collaborate with a brand that I've never tried, I think I have to try it for a month. Oh, yes.

I have to. You can't expect me to I always tell my managers or like anyone I'm like it's I'm not Vanna White yeah right I'm not gonna stand there and like hold the product like that's such a good way of putting it no I'm not Vanna White and you know even going further than that I'm not an actress yeah I was at an event a couple months ago and you know they're feeding lines to me and I had to say I'm not an actress I'm not here they're feeding you lines no they were telling me off camera what to say and I turned to them and I said I'm I'm not an actress I can I can sit here and I can tell you about this makeup product all day long why I love it in a very organic way but I'm not going to sit here

and read lines and with your key messages no I'm not and even when brands send me key messages I'm like this is great but I have to say it in the way that I'm going to say it. Because again, I'm not, I'm not an actress. I'm not going to memorize the lines. It's not a script. This is at me actually using it. So I think that if you're an influencer and you're listening, it's really important, not for like you said, every other picture for you to be Vanna Whiting, a new product. It's like, I find that the most successful partnerships paid or unpaid yeah are the ones that they're naturally weaved into the story over time so if I really like something that I'm not being paid for and I'm obsessed with it for instance Ardell 113 lashes that's just

the number I love the specific yeah it has to be specific. You know that. I have to constantly weave it into the story where it's like, this is what I'm using. This is why I'm using it. And just show it over time. Those are the most successful kind of collaborations are things that you actually use. I think what's going to happen with the influencer industry is is people they're already starting to smell bullshit yeah it's like you have to actually use the product and become a practitioner of using the product to talk about it and recommend it especially with skincare and especially with beauty i don't have a doubt in my mind that if somebody looks total like a total babe in a pair of jeans they're going to sell those on instagram just wear them once take them off return them whatever you do but with skincare if it's like, we are so lacking for beauty expertise and

skincare expertise, that's why your session at Sephora was probably filled to the rafters with girls wanting to know relevant, credible information because it's hard to find and people just want to know what's going to work for them and what's not going to go under their sink and they'll never use again because that's so disappointing. So I think more than ever, we need to be able to have people we can trust and lean on for skincare advice. And it's more competitive and cluttered than ever before. And I will tell you, our top 10 episodes are all about skincare. People can't get enough. People can't get enough skincare. Yeah, they want to know what to try. And even if they have a couple of reliable staples,

they'll be like, oh, I just saw Biosense and Sephora. What's that all about? And squalane oil. Oh my gosh, this is a new ingredient. I see it everywhere. Can you guys do a deep dive on that? Which we did a recent episode and we also did like a one-on-one on retinol and just

kind of these are questions that are coming to us and we want to make sure that we're able to relay some info that we know as editors. And if we don't, then we have a dermatologist or a skin therapist or somebody on the show. That's exactly how I feel. I feel as a blogger and an influencer, it's my job to also bring an expert up, but I always think of it as like a trifecta. It's like a triangle. You have the expert, you have the influencer who's actually used it, and then you have the community's feedback. It's like, well, I try to look at my entire community as influencers themselves. I want to think about not just a to B of me selling the product, but when it gets to the actual girl that, that has bought say this oil, is she going to tell 10 of

her friends over happy hour about this product that it's so good? You can't as an influencer, you can't just think, OK, I'm going to sell the product and then I'm done. It's like, what is the girl that you're selling it to? How is she going to go influence her own micro community? I think that that's so important. And if you can bring an expert on like a doctor or a scientist or someone like you who's been in the industry and and have conversations like this I think the medley of someone that's maybe tried the product like me with an expert who's in the industry makes a big difference totally and I think that's who you know people want to hear

from real women too that are like oh I never knew how to use the serum but now I do and we have these great platforms like podcast now where we can do that and talk for 40 minutes if we want to about one product. And we can talk, we can do whatever we want. We can cuss, we can say fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Yeah, exactly. I love it. And there's no one telling us not to, right? And, you know, another thing that I wanted to bring up is just like the Rise of Beauty podcast.

And I love that we're talking about this. And I think when we started in March of 2017 with Breaking Beauty podcast, there were maybe, like I said, a handful. Now every other day I see like a Google alert for a new one and I just love this community and that it's a huge trend and a lot of men just sort of don't get it, I think initially, but it is. I mean, Michael's already doing skin. What's on your top shelf beauty? Okay. My top shelf, right? The second lotion Lotion P50. Biologique Recherche. I've talked about it. Geez.

You should name your firstborn. Yeah. I know. And it's quite a long name. And I have. Okay. Let me see. Right now.

Hourglass Cosmetics. Kasha Mascara. I did write these down. So I would remember to tell you. Okay. The NARS Laguna Bronzer is kind of a staple favorite i've never tried that new bronzer i'm the one i'm using from mac isn't cutting it for me okay do i need to try that yeah it's a really really good nars laguna the shade is laguna okay and the oh yes this is

the thing i'm obsessed with and i pretty much use it every single day is the T3 brand of hair tools do you use them T3 so I use I have the interchangeable wand or so there's the wand the one and a half inch barrel and one inch barrel and I curl my hair a lot and I use those like literally every single day and what else is on my top shelf right now oh the pixie retinol tonic is a new one that I've tried i've heard this is really good so they pixi has the glow tonic which is their traditional um exfoliating toner but now they have a retinol version so you can it's gentle enough to use every day a lot of people are scared to use retinol because they think it's going to make them red or flaky um but it actually is very very gentle and you can use it in place of your Glow Tonic or in,

you know, in addition to it, you know, just switch it up. And I mentioned the Dermalogica Special Cleansing Gel. That's my absolute favorite. And the Biossance Phyto-Retinol Serum is one that I've sort of recently got into. So that's a retinol alternative, really, really great for anti-aging. It's not as potent as a retinol you would get from a dermatologist but it is the texture is amazing it feels fantastic I just saw their booth at Sephora and they're all about like clean conscious beauty um and they're using a plant-based retinol which I think is pretty revolutionary I love revolutionary that's the theme of this podcast I feel like yeah we have so many things to talk about, but yeah, those are, those are some of my,

my top shelf favorites. There's a couple of drunk elephant products in there too. The glycolic night serum. Um, have you used drunk elephant before? Yeah. So those are, those are good. And, um, there's one, there's one more makeup product that I love, and that is Glossier Cloud Paint. I have it in every color. Have you tried it? Yes, I like it a lot. OK, so that's like my five-minute face go-to. I can use that on lips, cheeks, whatever.

I love it. What's a beauty book or podcast or resource that you recommend? Oh, my favorite used to be Beauty Brains because those were two R&D scientists. They have a podcast. OK. And they have a podcast okay and they have been podcasting for a really long time they have an archive of of just basically hundreds of episodes where they're talking drilling down on ingredients so that's a really good like encyclopedic knowledge of ingredients okay and then i also love that um all of bobby

brown's makeup books um as of last year it was her she had her ninth beauty book and that one was all about wellness from the inside out so bobby we're waiting for you to come on the podcast yeah exactly bobby we have so many questions where can everyone find you okay so we're breaking beauty podcast on all social media please subscribe to us in itunes and definitely follow us on instagram because we do a lot of really good giveaways guys oh i love a giveaway thank you so much for coming on thank you it was awesome guys wait one quick second have you checked out the tsc podcast site okay it's so good it has all the resources that we've talked about on all the episodes it has people's favorite books their favorite products, everything just very streamlined

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