The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - 2022 Dating Advice & Red Flags To Avoid For Young Women & Men Ft. Mimi Evarts & Taylor O'Connor

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

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with a star are the hard ones. The ones marked with a dash are the soft ones. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Sadly, today, Lauren is no longer with us. She's no longer here. She's not dead, if that's what you're wondering. She's still alive, very much so, which is great. She's not on the episode. She's on maternity leave. So it's just me. And to fill the time, I've also brought in Mimi, who's a regular. I don't know if you're a regular,

but you've been on here a few times. And then- He's pulling out the wild card. Okay, your mic's on. Good. I don't have to go through this whole thing. I'm like the old maid. Isn't that the wild card?

No, that's Joker's wild. You can be the old maid if you want to be. I don't know what you are, but anyways, everybody got our producer Taylor on the show. We got Mimi on the show. Lauren is, like I said, she's no longer with us, at least for today. And I don't know where this episode is going to go.

I feel like Mimi, you need a lot of help. I wouldn't say that. You need a lot of help. If it's between Taylor and I, I think he needs more help than I do. I'm really good at giving help. I'm surprisingly really good at giving help. Any person that I've ever given help to has always said, you're a really good person to give advice.

And I'm like, I know. Thank you. I've never heard someone use the term given help in that way. I've also never heard anyone say that about you ever. It exists. Taylor's pretty reliable. I'll give him that. He's reliable.

He's reliable. Maybe not my first choice for advice, but he's there. Okay. So like I said, Mimi needs a lot of help. She comes to me when her life's falling apart. And so I think- About once a week. Yeah, about once a week. So I said, okay, let's just put it all on air. Let's talk about what you're going through. And I think this episode is important for everybody that's young person out there. Not that I'm so old, but young person out there, single in the dating world. I've learned a couple of things along the way. I feel like I could be helpful in some ways. I'm helpful to you. Yeah. You give me great advice. Not always great advice, but like I would say

like better advice than Lauren. Way better. Especially with dating. Lauren gives some of the worst dating advice I've ever received. Let's put it out there. I think like she gives really good life advice. And relationship. relationship and relationship advice but dating advice she has been out of the game for so long too long too long yeah she doesn't she doesn't get it no yeah she i 100 echo that sentiment well lauren was also very monogamous in every relationship right i was out there in the world for a while yeah we know so but it's still like i'm you know, it's been a long time. But Lauren, again, some of the poorest dating advice I've ever heard. Sometimes I hear her talk to you in Weston and I'm like, oh. Sometimes I call Lauren for advice and I hear

what she says. I'm like, okay, I should do the opposite of that. Yeah, she's probably going to get all bitter about this. She's the equivalent of the old grandpa that goes, back in my day, I used to walk through the snow with no shoes on. That's her dating advice. You're right. It was really good when you were in sixth grade. Like, yeah, 15 years ago, that was like

the prime dating advice that you would, essentially, she could win, I'm sure, some sort of award as in like, thank you,

I could save relationships. But now it's dated. Where I think she's really solid is once you've got someone on the hook, someone that's interested in you, she's good at that part where they're kind of pursuing.

She knows how to play it. I agree. And once they're in the relationship, she knows exactly the best advice for a relationship. But I don't think she's the best for dating. No. Now she's going to listen to this and yell at me offline.

She's going to yell at you either way. No, she's acknowledged it before. I know she has. No, she hasn't. She never acknowledges it. No, she hasn't. No, maybe you're right then. The other thing that Lauren does with the dating is like, I'll call her like the other

morning I called her and we were talking and this was like literally six o'clock on a Sunday morning and I called her and I told her about my night. And then I talked to Weston at like eight o'clock in the morning and he had already found out everything that I told Lauren. So the second I tell her something, she immediately calls Weston and they talk about it. Well, especially when she was pregnant and she's, you know, bored and not drinking and just wanting all the tea and all the juice. She wants the juice. All she does is just text me a juice box every day and she expects like something. Everybody listening should get a lot more excited because I just put my headphones on

and I could already tell I'm going to be 10 times better than before. I thought I could wing it without the headphones, but I'm just so used to being in the zone. This is going to be a much better podcast now. It was honestly going to kind of maybe be trash before. Anyways, I'm in it now. Okay. So I thought it would be interesting for you because we were at dinner and you shared one of the funnier things I've heard ever, I think. I agree. Yeah. And I've only heard a little bit of it and it is, from what I've heard, it's so absurd that it never would have existed when I was younger. So, okay. So tell us what happened. Tell me if I'm making a mistake here because I want to paint this picture for everybody. You go out alone, which I think is a power move, by the way. People should go out alone more often, right? Yeah, that's my move.

Yeah, that is. It's a great move. I'm reading my book. I'm eating sushi. It's a beautiful day. Whenever I see somebody, man, woman, whatever, out alone doing their own thing, I think, well, that's like a powerful person. And I think we're attracted to that type of energy right away because it's like, oh, that person's competent. That person can do their own thing. They're not like having to leech onto the group. Oh, I thought you meant like out at the bars alone.

I do mean that. I do mean that. Okay. But it doesn't mean you have to like be like partying your face off alone. That's kind of strange. I think 11 o'clock on Saturday by yourself would be a lot.

But I mean like going for like a bite for happy hour or like getting a, you know, parking up somewhere, grabbing a book, doing whatever you're working.

Bottle service for one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're trying to meet someone, it's definitely a good move because that is where I met this guy.

It's approachable, right? Because it's always strange when there's a big group and you have to like penetrate the. It's approachable, right? Because it's always strange when there's a big group and you have to penetrate the group. That sounds weird, huh? Maybe not the best use of words, but you know what I mean? It's intimidating, guy or girl, to approach a giant group and then potentially

get rejected in front of the group. But if you go up and there's someone solo, it's much more approachable. It'd mean he's trying to penetrate a group of men. Okay, maybe not. Maybe you are, Taylor. I think a group of men. Okay, maybe not. Maybe you are, Taylor. I think a group of men are trying to penetrate him. Remember, no, I've said that. Maybe he's been penetrated by a group of men. No, I've never really

been hit on. We've talked about this before. For some reason, I don't know why men don't find me sexually attractive, I guess. Okay. Let's get back to the point. Let's not get off topic here. Side track. I'm going to get flustered here. Stay on the point. Okay. Okay.

So you go out, you go out alone one night, you're out. And why was, what was the reason you, were you actually going out on the hunt or were you just. No. Okay. I had just gotten home and I was hungry and I had no food and I was like, okay, I'm going to go walk and get sushi. And it was like a nice night.

And so I went and I brought my book and I'm sitting on the sidewalk, having a beer, eating, or actually, no, I'd already finished my sushi and I was eating a like a green tea ice cream with like a tempura on the side like I was fucking like having a night for myself and this guy walks up and he's like hey uh actually first maybe I'll set the scene of his outfit he walks up he's wearing a black shiny supreme puffer bad sign I should have known right then god and a black hat and like a black turtleneck and black jeans and i was like okay whatever like seems low-key did supreme get so popular and so cool with your age group that it became now not cool maybe and a guy this guy approaches you yeah this guy approaches me and so is that points in your book or is that

do you like that or not like that i like that it i was okay with being approached i wasn't where i was wearing sweatpants and no makeup so it wasn't like i was like really trying but that was fine um and he asked me a question he's like hey do you know if this place over here is open and i knew that the place wasn't open and so we like started talking about it or whatever and we talked for like 30 minutes probably on the street and he seemed totally normal although he did tell me some stories now that i'm looking back i'm like are you sitting down yeah i'm not standing on the sidewalk no i'm sitting down he's standing and i had to sit down the whole thing i had another chair i didn't invite him to sit down i wasn't open to that oh that's i i that's more i

would stand for maybe three minutes then i'd have to. You would say, can I sit down? I'd either sit down. I wouldn't, I'd either sit down or I'd leave. I don't think I'd say can. I think that's a weak move. Cause then it's like, then it puts the, this is my personal take. If you ask permission for stuff like that,

just can I sit down? You open up the room for a rejection. So I think for dating advice, maybe for men and women, there's a better way to frame that. So what think for dating advice, maybe for men and women, there's a better way to frame that. So what would you do? You could just say, I'm going to sit down. If somebody says, no, I don't want, then you, obviously you can't be a creep and go for it. But I don't like the ideas that can I, it's like asking permission to sit down. I think there's a saying, it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. If we're talking about something as simple as

sitting down, I think that's okay to just say, I'm going to sit down and be assertive. If it's something where it's like you're touching somebody or physically approaching them, then you definitely need permission. Yeah, because she could say no right away. When you say, could I sit down? She says no, then it's awkward if you still pursue. Yeah, for something as simple as sitting down, I think that's

okay to be assertive. Because then she could say, hey, you got to leave or get out for no way. You can't be so assertive if you're gonna you'd physically be touching somebody does that make sense yeah okay anyways okay how would that work if it was like reverse i wouldn't just sit down someone would have to invite me to sit down i also think there's an energy where people give all like i mean you could tell if somebody doesn't want you to sit down i didn't want to sit down you but then what are you doing talking for 30 minutes this is where i get very confused i was just relaxing i was like okay sure what are you doing talking to him for 30 minutes? This is where I get very confused.

I was just relaxing. I was like, okay, sure. But if somebody's talking to me for 30 minutes, I'm taking that as an indication that they're probably interested because who the hell's talking to somebody for 30 minutes if they're not interested?

I like to be around colorful people and he seemed a little bit colorful. So I was enjoying his stories, you know? This is where you're very confusing, but you just wanted him to stand there? Yeah, I wanted him to entertain me. It was like dinner and a show. Don't you feel strange when you're sitting and he's standing and you're very confusing, but you just wanted him to stand there. Yeah. I want him to entertain me. It was like dinner and a show. Don't you feel strange when you're sitting and he's standing and you're looking up?

No. She's asserting her dominance. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, surprise. This didn't work out, but we keep going. I know it's shocking.

Regardless, like the 30 minutes is up. My ice cream is melted. He asked for my number and I'm like, okay, sure. And I give him, or actually he asked me if I would go out with him that night and I said, no. And then I gave him my number and I'm like okay sure and I give him or actually he asked me if I would go out with him that night and I said no and then I gave him my number and he texted me and he's like it was so nice to meet you I responded like two hours later I'm like yeah nice to meet you too and the next day he texts me and he's like when are you free let's get dinner and I told my roommate I was like oh my god like he texted me like I'm gonna get dinner with this

guy I was like kind of excited about it and then like an hour and a half goes by and he texts me. He's like, guess we're not a match then like have a nice life. Wow. Everything up to that point, I was thinking, okay, this seems pretty normal. Same. I thought the same thing. And then I was like, well, that's fucking weird. And so I didn't respond to that. Of course. Can you tell me like age range? Not to be ageist. Yeah, yeah. How old do you think this guy was? Like 35, maybe.

Okay. 35, yeah. So a little bit too young. I mean, listen, sorry, I'm going to be ageist again. Some of these old bats, they get freaked out if you don't text right away, right back. But if you're 35, you should understand the game. Sometimes you don't get a text back right away. Yeah, he might have been younger too i would text lauren sometimes

when we first started dating when we first started pursuing her i wouldn't hear back for like three or four days maybe sometimes longer that's the advice that she still gives yeah that is you just literally her advice to you is exactly what she says like don't respond for like a week she's like go on a vacation come back like two weeks later i'm like they're gonna they're gonna be like sometimes it works no but you know what she would do? She would pepper me. She would sometimes like I would message her. Hot and cold.

And she would go super hot and be like right back right away. Like, oh, cool. She's in me. And then as it was getting going, then she would like ghost me for a while. The pump and dump. Yeah. That's actually like a thing that Robert Greene was talking about where you, I forget like exactly what it was, but it was like there was this old

stick with no branches and they would put it into a salt mine in the winter and then they would come out a few months later covered in crystals and it's called crystallization it's like you give them a little bit of something and then like in their mind they think about you like when she wasn't texting you for those four days you were probably like thinking about like oh what's she doing what's she up to yeah i think blanketly like it just is like more like relationship or dating advice people give way too much way too consistently yeah right like it's like i we don't if every if you first start dating somebody and they know everything about you in your first two weeks because you've just verbally diarrhea all over their face with everything that you have to share then there's

nothing interesting about you i can verbally diarrhea all over everyone's face and they will know nothing about me. Yeah, I guess that's a little bit true. In a way, because I can talk for hours about nothing. And they'll be like, this guy's still a mystery. I think you make people think that they know you, but then they're like, there's something going on behind the scenes. Most people don't know me. Well, the biggest thing is people leave no mystery.

Yeah. Right? It's like, I got to let you know everything about me, everything in my world, how my family is, what I think, what my values, like it's just like hold some shit back a little bit. For sure. Right? Like, okay.

Let someone imagine things about you. Yeah. And let someone miss you. Uh-huh. Let someone think, that's a mistake people make early on in dating is they like, they go way too hard, way too fast. I think you need to get them on the hook a little bit though, before you do that space. Yeah.

Lauren's suggestion. She's like, oh, like text him once and then don't talk to him for two weeks. I'm like, he's going to forget who I am. Well, I think it's tough. What Lauren does is it's tougher now because guys have way more options than they ever did before. Yeah. People find that like, it's tough to hear, but it's true, right? A guy may not wait two weeks any longer or even a week

because he's on this app that he can swipe and he can find a girl much easier or guy, whatever it is, than in the past. Like when we were younger and we would date, I would actually have to pursue somebody. And if you found somebody, you would have to keep, like you'd have to follow up consistently because it's not like you had 85 options. Yeah. Right at your fingertips on your phone. If you had had those options, would you have gone not like you had 85 options. Yeah. Right at your fingertips on your phone. If you had had those options, would you have gone a different way? Of course. Of course. Yeah. I mean, and listen, I had options, but it wasn't like, I mean, I never, I didn't grow up in a generation where I could get on my phone.

Let's be real. Your options were not great. Well, let's not throw people, all these people under the bus. You know, there were some good options. don't talk about me but what i'm saying is can i see a picture of some of the options no we don't do that i didn't have this thing where you could get on your phone instantly and like okay i got denied by one person today so i'm gonna go and try 50 others right it's like oh you got denied by one like maybe you'd have two to five backups if you were really kind of out there yeah but you didn't have a hundred i met this guy

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I think I know who he is. He had a circuit and I know he's not the only one of my friends. He had a circuit. Two of your friends have circuits that I can think of. Maybe more now, but this one guy I'm talking about he's a fucking animal and he had a circuit of three places all within walking distance of his place and it was first it was a wine bar then it was a restaurant and then it was a bar and then it was back to the place and he did the circuit probably three to four times a week with three to four different women every week to the point where some of the people working in

these establishments like would just call him. And some people liked it and some were like, hey man, you're disgusting as you just do this circuit over and over. But again, If I went out with a guy and they called him out like that, I would think it was funny. Well, this is what I think what makes dating more challenging now is people have more options than ever. And I think this makes it hard for people to stay focused in a relationship is like you got to stay focused right you got to be like okay i got a blinders on and focus on one person ideally why does something relating to bear fucker shots pop in my head during that okay i told you we're not gonna put the guy on blast but uh he's gonna hear that okay so anyways but yes i think he would end the night with the drink called a bear fucker shot

again that has nothing to do with me but it just didn't you serve those at like the company christmas no no no no um no that'd be a huge hr violation but again okay so back to this guy so he okay so he texted me and he said uh guess not whatever and i wrote him off i was okay how long did it transpire from his message so he sent the message you didn't respond yeah Yeah, at an hour. One hour. Maybe one hour, 15 minutes. Were you intentionally waiting the hour? Were you letting him sweat? Yeah.

Or was it just were you busy? Well, I take like a long time to respond in general. She was doing what she should be doing. She's not being too thirsty. She was like,

hey, I'm going to like, you know, we kind of like this guy, right? We're going to maybe go out and you're not going to be all desperate sending the text message right back. For sure.

That's the right move, by the way. Yeah. Some people disagree that. No, you got to be responding. You got to be respectful. No, you can play back for sure that's the right move by the way yeah some people disagree that no you got to be responding you got to be respectful no you play the game a little bit it was thursday at like 7 p.m too and i was out to dinner like yeah i'm busy nothing worse than getting finding someone and then them feeling like they're not busy like they don't have their own life going on yeah it's so unattractive so i wrote him off i was like okay whatever he's obviously weird and then he texted me like two or three days later.

And he's like, hey, by the way, I just want to know why you didn't respond the other day. Wait, I thought you said you responded in an hour. No, I never responded after he did that. He, he, I had never responded. And then he responded again. He, okay. You didn't respond after an hour. He sends an absurd message, mad about not responding an hour.

And you're like, okay, this guy's a red flag weirdoo i'm not going to respond at all now yes okay totally got it also he had given me like his whole life story in that text he's like hey i'm at the airport flight got delayed time to kill i don't care that you ghosted me not a big deal i'm just curious haha though were you too shy and then he just goes on It's like a very long text And then he goes I just wanted to know I think you should read The full text Just to add context

Yeah Okay he goes Hey dude I'm at the airport He called you dude Yeah Okay the one He goes

What night are you around At 626 And then I hadn't responded Oh I guess it was two hours And then at 846 He goes Maybe let's not force it Fun chatting with you

See you around And I was like That's so fucking weird after one hour yes it's two hours but whatever but still yeah it's a thursday i'm out and then on monday he texts me he goes hey dude i'm at the airport flight got delayed time to kill i don't care that you ghosted me not a big deal i am curious though haha were you too shy to give me a fake number or say no thanks or was it something else i didn't pick up at you wanting to be left alone or did the heart freak you out because i was just driving and didn't have time to write things out i've been insanely busy with work woman's language is so fascinating always down to learn it better totally thought you really wanted to hang because he had liked one of my messages from before when i said it's nice to meet you or

whatever oh he did the heart like yeah so he was feeling insecure about the heart like i think you should only use those things with very familiar settings like sometimes my family bothers me with the family group text and i send 18 things so i'll send a something back and that or if i'm communicating with somebody I'm working with or whatever I'll do like the thumbs up or thumbs down like I think that's fine but I think you're just getting to meet someone and you hit them with one of those emojis not even emojis like the little like tap backs the tap backs I don't care about that it doesn't bother me I don't think about it but don't you think that it should bother you a little bit like somebody just like

it's all it's almost like I think this is what I think about a lot with people dating nowadays. It's like people have so little time and care so little about the interaction they're having with someone that they don't even have three seconds to write something back or voice memo something back. Like to me, if I was pursuing a woman

and they hit me with one of those tap backs, I would be like, okay, well, this person's not interested and they don't have the time and I'm not going to pursue. It's relationships built on microtransactions. Sometimes when I use it, it's like when they ask two things and I only want to respond to one of them and so I'll just like the other one, kind of. But you give another in-depth response. I give an answer to one of the questions.

Okay, well, that's different. Yeah. That's how I use it. But you don't just hit them with a tap back. No. Because what are you supposed to pick up from that? For sure. No, I respond. And then I go, have a safe flight. I did want to hang out, but then I didn't respond for like an hour and you were upset. It was too intense. Sometimes I take days to respond. Still good response. Good response. He goes, I wasn't upset at all i just have a long list of deal breakers and days to respond is at the top if you're bored and feel like reading here you go okay glad i wasn't an asshole and i didn't let you eat your ice cream take care hun thanks for

clarifying oh my god well he said hun yeah okay hun and dude very kind of demeaning. I'm going to be real. There is a photo of him on this website. I don't, if I show it to you, go like. I want to see this photo. I don't, we won't put the guy's website on blast because I feel like that's too much. Okay. We'll post this list on Instagram if anyone is bored and wants to take a gander. So this is the moment in the story, Taylor. I don't know if I told you this.

For everyone listening, this is the moment in the story when we're at dinner that this took a wild turn. And I was like, we got to talk about this on the show because this was unexpected. I was on my way to dinner when he texted this to me. And so it was like, I was so excited to see you guys and tell you about it. Because at first I thought the guy was a creep. And then I heard about this website. I'm like, well, this is a whole new layer.

It's a whole new layer. And I can't tell if I really think it's great or if I even think it's creepier same i i kind of love it almost like it definitely got my attention i'm never gonna go out with him obviously but it did get my attention someone out there it's worked for someone or he wouldn't be giving it out and that's why once we i want to talk about more of this once you're done with it but i have very very a very strong opinion on what the success of this i mean i was thinking about all the different things and people we've talked about on the podcast and like the fact that this is making it on air like this because i think that this deserves a spot in this in this podcast history because what this guy did it's impressive i can't well that's what

i'm saying i can't tell if it's impressive if it's psychotic if it's funny if it's just complete nutso if it's real it's real, if it's real. It's real. I know the thing is real. So, okay. So, tell him what he did. So, it's a fully built out website, like a beautifully designed website. He obviously hired a developer. With his name, dot com.

Yes. It's his personal name, dot com. Yes. He has some of his business stuff on here, which is not impressive to say the least. But on here is this list of deal breakers and at the top it says the ones marked with a star are the hard ones the ones marked with a dash are the soft ones which is so wild that this guy so but i started thinking i was like okay this guy has been out in the dating world for so long that he couldn't just you know like if i had a list that i wanted to send to somebody i could send that list in like a notes app absolutely i could copy and paste it

the fact that he had to create a domain for people to go and visit with asterix like wild it's so insane like i said i can't tell if this is like a total power move or this is just total fucking creep zone it's total fucking creep zone for sure i don't know i'm gonna let the listeners decide you gotta because some of these are pretty fucking funny okay number one dry texter like yeah i guess and these are so these are his red flag lists yeah these are his deal breakers when he's dating what he does not want in a partner yes okay let's go dry texter too shy any of these low self-esteem depressed emotionally abusive he can't deal this guy can't deal with anybody bringing any kind of baggage tries to put down or emasculate men to feel good about herself

a little misogynistic okay yeah blames the patriarchy for all her problems very misogynistic okay okay number three tries to compete with you or tries to compete with you instead of the us against the world mentality can't tell the difference between kindness and weakness. What? That's the heart message coming out. Toxic girls see kindness as weakness and attack. Needs lots of male attention. Consistently posts thirst traps.

Uses dating apps. Okay, so this guy's very misogynistic. This is a very, this maybe is a very insecure guy. Okay, keep going. Chronic insomnia. Well, that would kind of be a deal breaker for me too. Any attempt at game slash manipulation. Bad kisser slash tries to use S-E-G-G-S to only please me,

hoping I'd commit instead of actually enjoying her orgasms too and being in the moment. Wait, what is sex? What's sex? Sex, man. It's like how people spell it on TikTok because you can't spell out sex. So this guy's 35 years old writing this that way yes wow that is literally gave me the ick more than anything dumb unable to think outside the box has nothing interesting to say well that's deal breakers for me too obsessed with slash addicted to social media not creative has no style this this is absolutely the worst one.

Doesn't make an effort to look or feel her best with all of these things listed after it. Pushes for commitment too soon. That doesn't belong there. Is overweight or unattractive. Is shorter than five foot or taller than six foot. Is over 120 pounds. What the fuck is this? Doesn't have shiny silky hair that is the fact that Taylor the fact that this guy put doesn't have shiny silky hair on his red flag

list is this is why I can't psychotic I can't tell if this is incredible or if this is just full creed like I can't tell this guy's being serious like I kind of want to be friends with him because I think it's really funny like I bet he's a colorful person but I don't tell if this guy's being serious. I kind of want to be friends with him because I think it's really funny. I bet he's a colorful person, but I don't want to date him. You bet he's a colorful person. He created a domain with this list that he sends out to people after he fails. I'd love to pick his brain. I'm going to be real. It's like a satire on dating.

Well, that's what I'm trying to say. I can't tell if this is serious or not. I mean, maybe it's like he puts this out there and he can play the card of like, oh, just joking if it's not received well, but if it's, you know, or maybe he like, you know. I mean, he still is hitting me up even after I've like been non-responsive. So I don't know. So was that the full list? No, there's a few more. I'll make it quick. I think we need to go back and just dissect some of these because they're hilarious.

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Parents not together. Oh, Jesus. That's something that no one has control over in any way nope it's a red flag for this guy deal breaker actually big deal breaker has kids bad breath smelly no sense of humor has slept with anyone i know doesn't sleep with me by the third date at the latest underlined wow is a friend he's really making a statement right there to make sure that the person sees that they're like oh shit The next one's coming up So I guess At what state I mean I guess in your case

It was like This was a preemptive Like hey we didn't even Get anywhere But I just want to Hit you with this list But I wonder If this list gets shared

As he's in the dating process I wonder Should I ask? Is that the full list? No This is how he ends it Okay I can't be her entire world

She has to find joy in things other than me aka have her own life And that's it. Okay. So what you just asked michael about does he show I think he does and I guarantee you this is this Is the part that I that that scares me is that I guarantee you and it might be a listener here There are girls that i'm sure see this and Find it acceptable and or find it intriguing. And they look at it and they go, okay. And they actually continues to go on a date

with this type of person. That's what I find strange. I'd like to interview that girl as well. Exactly. Because he has this and he wouldn't give it or share it to anybody. I'd be surprised if he's stupid enough to realizing that the success rate of this website was zero.

I think these are like, it's like a Hail Mary play. I wonder if this is like an encrypted link and he sees every time I open it. Oh, he probably has. Hopefully you haven't been watching like Pornhub

or like whacking off to that. He's probably spying on you. Maybe, because every time I open it, he texts me. No way. I'm kidding. Not every time.

That'd be wild. Yeah. Okay. He's like, hey, you look really good right now you're like what oh my god okay so this one didn't work out no no i respond and i say this is riveting thank you for sharing and then he's texted me three more times since then most recently on saturday a one minute long voice note which i don't care to listen to i was thinking about responding too long didn't't listen. Sorry that happened or happy for you. What do you think? Okay. This one didn't work out. This is a full creep mode, but what do you think? People struggle to date now. I feel like in a lot of ways,

it's gotten easier and more accessible to meet people, but it's gotten harder and harder to actually get into a relationship or date successfully. It's really hard to find people you like. And I think there's so many people out there that you're like desensitized also. Like maybe I've met someone who I would like if I would have met them in a different way, but on the dating app, I just look past them. Well, I was talking, who was I talking to? I was at the dinner and I was saying like, I feel bad for people because I feel like, because there's so many, like a lot of, I'll like use a business analogy. A lot of reasons people don't find success in businesses because they lack focus, right? Like they kind of try something for a little bit and then it

doesn't work out right away. And so like, oh, you know, I have so many options now. I'm going to be a graphic designer. I'm going to go into finance. I'm going to go into TikTok. I'm going to go and, you know, work for this person. Like there's so many options and so many different ways to make money now that people lack the ability to stay focused on one thing. And I feel like that's applicable now to the dating world where you meet someone and it kind of like fizzles quickly or doesn't go where you want it to right away. And so you jump to the next thing very fast where a few years ago, you would maybe hang on a little bit longer because there wasn't such an abundance of options.

Yeah. I also think that it does have to do with like, a lot of people in my demographic don't play the game and they're thinking that it's like manipulative and they need to, like, especially women. I see how my friends act with guys and I'm not perfect, but I definitely think that I'm better off than a lot of other people. But your demographic thinks that they're not playing the game, but they are actually playing a game when they're like, oh, we're not doing that. They think the game itself, it's a hypothetical description of the push and pull of relationships.

So they think it's not like, obviously, it's not a physical game, but they're like, oh, we don't play games. But yet then they go and do shit that it would be fall right in the category of playing games. Well, the difficulty about all of, with all of this stuff is that I think, again,

people start to try to break this down by age group or demographics. And I hear older people than us saying, oh, these generations and younger people saying this generation. And I think it's a mistake because if you study human nature, or even if you look at someone like Robert Greene, who writes about the laws of human nature, human beings and

their thought processes and their emotions and their triggers and the things that get them going and get them stimulated have not really changed so much over the years, right? Like people are people. And so you can push back on human nature and the way people think it's, I'm not playing that game or I'm not doing this or I'm opting out. But the problem is, is these, these strategies are kind of timeless, right? And so I think that call it manipulative, call it what you want, but the way attraction works, the way people respond to things, the way people stay in relationships and the things

that they pursue, like that hasn't at least the fundamental laws of how humans actually behave with human nature, that hasn't changed so much. And I think that a lot of times people think, well, my generation doesn't do it this way or that generation does it a different way. It's like, yeah, but there's still a lot of similarities and laws that you kind of have to abide by. I think that that is kind of like what I was trying to say. They think that a lot of people are now aware more so than i think 50 years ago like that game or that book

the game came out you know 15 years ago and that mystery no it was called the game right yeah but wasn't taylor's other guy mystery that wrote that i'm not certain which one you're talking i think it might have been yeah it got so famous the guy that talked about nagging yes peacocking yes oh god i know yeah yeah but so then since then that talked about negging yes peacocking yes oh god i know yeah yeah but so then since then i think that there's been like people being like oh i know what you're trying to do like you're trying to play a game you know i think that that's kind of been the reaction it's also too many choices breed indecision that's like the like tried and true the ability of it is when it's a constant pool that you could just keep looking for you're going

to be looking for something that doesn't even really necessarily exist. But these games exist in business. They exist in dating. They exist in relationships. They exist in friendships. And I always find those people that try to opt out of the game stupid. I agree.

Because whether you like it or not... You can't go against history. Whether you like it or not, this is the way the world exists. People read that book, The 48 Laws of Power, and they get mad. Like, this is dark.

This is manipulative. It's like, no, it's a reflection on how human beings- I think people who say that haven't read the book. I think that they just know about it. Well, people live in a world where they're like, I don't want to acknowledge the way the world really is, or I refuse to acknowledge that it is that way. Maybe it's darker than I'd like it to be, or it's more manipulative than I'd like it to be, or people are maybe more self-serving than I hope they would be. And so they say, I'm not playing the game. And then what happens is they lose in life because the rest of the world is playing the game. A lot of those rules too are, they're subconscious. They're not even aware of a lot of the things. So

if they're like, I'm not going to do it, but they're still, they're still with through their just behavior and just being human. They're still doing a lot of these things. Well, there's a way to play the game and still be a good person, but you just have to acknowledge that there's a game being played. Yeah. And it's not that you're being manipulative. It's that if you actually like want to date someone and want like a relationship that lasts, you have to keep it exciting and you have to like do those things. That's what Lauren would say. Lauren still keeps me on my toes. I still sometimes turn around and don't know like what's going on. Yeah. Right. Like I think that's a lot of relationships. They get so consistent and they get so stale and you know what to expect from the partner all the time.

It's like you lose the spice of the relationship. I like that my wife might fucking lose it on some kind of random thing on me all the time. I like that she can keep it playful with me. I like that it's not always so consistent. I think that I would lose interest. I would consider her one of the most inconsistent, surprising people I know.

Yeah, and me too in some ways. Sometimes catch sometimes like, you know, catch me in the wrong mood or catch me in the wrong setting. Like I might be completely different. Or you catch her in the closet and you know, who knows? Things happen. But again, no, like that's a whole different thing. Okay. So what do you think some of the consistent mistakes that your friends make? Because I, maybe I could. Sleeping with people too soon. Okay. Yeah. So let's talk about it. My friends will go out with a guy and sleep with them that night and be like, well, I just like really wanted to.

And like, like it's normal now. Like everyone sleeps with someone the first night, not passing judgment, very sex positive, obviously what you want to do. And I think it does work out for some people, but they're seeking a serious relationship.

And I don't think that's the best. Yeah. It's the variables to that are going to depend on what the outcome of that is. If it's purely from a physical standpoint and then you get that, then they may lose interest. But if there are the variable of attraction and they're getting along, then it would probably not fizzle out right away. I think they use sex as a way to become closer to guys.

Big mistake. Yeah. So I'm just just gonna make a disclaimer here because i don't want to hear about it later like i know there's all these different terms and non-binary and gay and straight and trans of this and all these different things but i'm going to talk about heterosexual relationships men me because that's what i am and so i'm going to give advice from that perspective there's other places that you can listen to for other advice for how people identify however the hell they want. But for me, as a man,

when I was pursuing women, that was the most exciting part was the pursuit was the chase was the idea that it's like, it's, I don't want to say it's a conquest to conquer someone, but it's like this thing where it's like you meet somebody and the idea is to unlock this part of them where they then want to be intimate with you, right? And they want to let you in more and more in one way than the other. But I think if women make it so easy for a man that he can unlock that part of the relationship and get that intimacy that early on, well, you've just taken out almost all of the excitement

of the pursuit and the chase. And men like to chase and they like to pursue it. Any man that tells you he doesn't want to chase and he doesn't like the pursuit is fucking bullshit. Right. Taylor, don't you agree? Yeah, I agree. And so your instincts. Yeah. Well, it's just like, that's the exciting part. And all of a sudden, if you meet somebody and it's required no effort at all, and you've gone out and you get that in the first day of meeting someone that has become a very uninteresting pursuit, right? Whereas if you have the time to pursue someone, one, during that time, you're

also building relationship, learning more, unlocking different parts of that person's brain and their mind and finding if you find them interesting or not. And you're also like, it's like this little bit of a tease where it's like, oh, okay. Like I really, you're building the want. Right. So then like when you get it, it's not like, oh, that was so easy. You know, cause here's the thing, whether women like to hear this or not, men are going to continue to chase and they're going to continue to pursue. I still feel like I chase Lauren all the time, which is why it's interesting. But in my personal past, if I would meet someone and have a one night stand, I would lose interest

almost instantaneously. Actually to the point where I wanted them out of the place even before we went to bed. I'd be like, ugh, I'm kind of like, this was,

it feels so easy that it feels dirty in a way. Like you committed a crime. I was just reading this article the other day about how sex sometimes has the same effect

that like taking drugs does where it's like you're just looking for the high. You're looking for the next high and then you become like into a different state. They say that there's only two states of consciousness, which is like a sleep and awake. But then this article was going into how drugs and sex are also like two separate consciousnesses. And it's very sobering in a way. Yeah. Once you've had sex. And the second it's done, you go back to your normal self

and... And you analyze and you start to... Listen, I know people don't like to hear this, but it's the truth and I have...

I'm a man. It's the same for women. They say after a woman sleeps with a man, she's like disgusted by him. Yeah. Well, and especially

if it's that quick and that kind of like rushed, you're kind of looking and you're like, wait a minute, like who is this person? Right? And I don't care who you are. Like it's, you know, you could,

if you don't know the person, it's strange regardless. It's strange. It's all, you're sitting there sober. What I mean sober from you're not pursuing sex anymore. Like not alcohol, whatever. Yeah. And you're both looking at each other like, what the hell did we both just do that quick? And listen, there's a time and a place. I'm not saying there's something wrong with one night stands,

but I think if you are pursuing somebody in hopes that they are going to want to continue a relationship with you, you've given up too much. And I also think sometimes women go, okay, well, I'm not going to give up sex. So I'm just going to give this guy a blow job. I think that's sex too. Yeah, it's still there.

It's the release of the, of basically busting your nut is what leads you to that. I actually think I'm telling, again, this is for the benefit of you, your friends. I have two young sisters, so I would say this all the time. That's almost worse. It's almost like you're better doing the sex than the oral

because the oral is like, okay, I just met this person. They just did this in one second. Who else are they doing this to in one second? I'm not that special. They're not that special. There's nothing special here about this. There's nothing, you know. It's not memorable. I'm not that special. They're not that special. There's nothing special here about this. There's nothing, you know,

It's not memorable. It's not memorable. It was, I mean, listen, I've had some memorable some of those, but let's not get on that tangent.

If she stopped before I busted though, I might go like, ooh, like, where are you going? We know you have like an edging fetish.

In your case, she would have to stop in about 10 seconds. Might get all over the carpet. Yeah, that actually happened to him. I remember. He actually did bust

All over somebody's carpet And that girl Listened to that episode too By the way Oh god If you're listening now We're still sorry Okay so

So you think Your friends give up sex Too quick Too easily Too fast Yes And you think Because of that

They're not finding success In relationships Because what happens The guy ends up ghosting Or going somewhere else Or the girl Loses interest also It could be either way. Yeah. There's no buildup. There's no chase. There's no like, hey,

we just both pursued this thing. It's just that everyone's rushing, rushing, rushing. Yeah. So that's probably number one. And people do this weird thing where they're like, okay, now if we've had sex, that means now we're closer. We're more intimate. That means this person's going to like me more because we've had sex. I've sometimes found that that's we're closer. We're more intimate. That means this person's going to like me more because we've had sex. I've sometimes found that that's the exact opposite. Yeah. I'm also finding a lot these days,

I think that men that I'm dating are hypersensitive to feeling like they have to pay me more attention or that they have to go out of their way, maybe because they're used to women talking about how guys are shitty. And they're being way too nice to me and way too intense like love bombing me and that's also an issue that's happening explain all about the guy i went out with a guy like three times or whatever and on this our fourth date he was like oh what'd you

do last night and i was like i went to a party and he was like oh we're guys hitting on you i'm like yeah he's like what do you do and i was like oh i gave him my number do last night? And I was like, I went to a party. And he was like, oh, were guys hitting on you? I'm like, yeah. And he's like, what do you do? And I was like, oh, I gave him my number. And he's like, why don't you just say you have a serious boyfriend? And he was referencing himself. And I was like, slow down, bizarre. So I think that there's that.

They also, they'll ask me like, what are you looking for? Like, oh, I'm looking for a relationship. And it's just too much too soon on both sides. Doesn't it, Taylor, when you listen to this, doesn't it feel like everyone's trying to cram in everything at once? Yes, that's what I was going to say. Going like, hey, what do you want, removes all of the fun of what a relationship really is.

It's the mystery, the chase, the pull, being like, so what do you want? Let me tell you why that what do you want question is a terrible question in dating. It's a terrible question. I would never ask it. I told my sisters all the time, never ask a man that question ever. For women out there listening, again, maybe it's offensive to say.

Men too, don't ask it. Yeah, but I do think specifically, again, as a heterosexual man, most men, when they're going out, and especially young men, and they're running around, do you know what they want? They want sex and women in abundance. There's very few young men that are like, I want to find a woman and settle down and be serious. That happens when you find somebody that you start to fall in love with and that you feel

like you can build a life with and that you have a genuine connection with because you've spent time building a great relationship. But if you're early on and you've slept with a guy early and you're dating and it's been two or three dates, this just happened to one of- I had not slept with him. Okay. Let the record show. But this just happened to one of my closest friends.

No one's going to know who we're talking about. One of your closest friends. One of my closest friends. Tall guy, tattoos. Anyways, and a woman came to him and said, after a few dates, like, what are we? What do you want?

And because he's being honest and candid and he wasn't a little bitch about it, he said, I'm not looking for anything serious.

This is not a serious relationship. I just want to have fun in, in, in quote, like basically, that means just wants to play around,

have sex, whatever. And like, it's a devastating answer to hear because that's not the answer that she wanted to hear, right? She wanted to hear like, hey, I'm looking for something serious. So the problem is when you put a guy in that position or girl, I'll say guy or girl,

and you make them answer something that quick when a relationship is just developing, and then they answer in an honest way. It's the same thing you said. It puts you open to rejection. Yes. It puts you in a position where like, okay, if I'm somebody with integrity and you really want the real answer and you've put me on the spot, I just want sex casually when I'm, when I want it, how I want it. You know, when I say how, I mean like how often, how often, like where, yeah, where, and that's it. And I'm not looking

for serious stuff and I'm going to continue to date other people and have fun. Like that's a devastating answer to get back if you're actually wanting to pursue a relationship with someone. So the way you don't get that answer is you don't ask it and you continue to develop a relationship and a bond where people actually want to date and be with you over time. Yeah. And also too, I think asking that leaves you, pretty much stonewalls you because a guy may go into a relationship and just want, oh, I just want to date around. But then after getting to know the girl, he may go, wow, I actually really like this. I only want to be with this person and I want a serious relationship. So the intention may evolve by asking that preemptively. You could very much end a road before it would have even began. or what have you been began? Okay. While I was pregnant, I was very, very careful about what I

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Having fun. Sorry. But if this doesn't work for you, I get it. We can part ways. I wonder what happened if a guy went around a bar and his opener every single time was, hi, how are you? I'm looking for a very serious relationship and settling down and wanting to get married. I don't think it would work out at all.

Exactly. Because people would go- That would give me the ick. Exactly. And that's exactly the thing about it. This is, again, it's not men or women people don't people don't like that feel of desperation like i have to lock you down you have to be friends yeah no nobody wants that if i went up to you and i was like i want to be your best friend and i want to be with you all the time

and i don't really want you to pursue other friendships but and i'm really dead serious about this friendship and i'm going to put everything like you'd be like okay i don't think so, buddy. Absolutely. Okay. So again, people cramming in. They want to get the answer right away. They want to give it up right away.

They don't want to take the time. No one's taking the time to seduce anyone. Yes, that's a good word. Nobody's taking the time to pursue and seduce. And there's something beautiful about that. I mean. It's fun. It's romantic.

It's exciting. I pursued Lauren for a very long time. And I don't want to use that relationship as, I don't want to use our relationship as the pinnacle of what all relationship success looks like. But obviously we connected when we were kids. That's not so, that's not so unique. It's a little bit out there. But then when we got back together, I mean, from 20, we, we got together when we were 21 and we got married when we were like 27, 28. So there was a long pursuit and a long time to develop a relationship between then. We dated, we've lived separately for a long time.

It was like this whole thing of building a relationship. I mean, that's a big decision when you're going to marry someone and spend the rest of your life with them and have kids. It was like a storybook romance if you think about it in a way. Because everybody, I'll say this, even myself, when a relationship ends and you're the person that doesn't want it to end, you always think to yourself, maybe we'll get back together later on in life. And that's when it's going to be it. And it's going to seal the deal then. But the reason it worked out-

Do you have someone that you think about that like? No, no. Previously. I just feel like when I was younger, now I i doubt that but the reason it worked out is what i'm saying is that we developed honestly a true friendship and mutual respect for each other for a very long time and there was a pursuit and a chase and it was interesting and listen nobody's gonna i'm not expecting everybody to date for fucking 20 years like laura mirror whatever we did but i do think that people are setting themselves up for success trying to cram everything in in the beginning giving up intimacy very early not making it a challenge for man or woman or either side asking questions that are serious

questions way too early and putting someone on the spot especially before they're ready to make that decision feeling uncomfortable is never sexy like with that type of question, no one, I never want to make anyone feel uncomfortable when I'm dating. So what do your friends do when they ask that question or they give up sex too early? And then like, what's their next move? Because that's, I think the problem is a lot of people do that. They make, I don't want to say the mistake, but they, they take that step. And then I think that's where people get flustered. You know, my friends actually aren't really getting asked that it's mostly me. So maybe that's saying something about the vibe that I'm giving out.

Meaning what? People are asking you, what are we? Yeah. And they're asking me like, what are you looking for? Where do you see this going? And I'm saying, honestly, I'm like, I'm looking for something casually serious. That's always my answer. That's a little bit confusing.

I know. And then I change the subject. But it makes me feel awkward. You don't want to be, you don't want to have to give somebody a firm answer. Yeah. I don't want to reveal what I'm looking for, you know? But do you want them to tell you what they're looking for? Honestly, no.

But if the question comes up, yeah, they can tell me. I don't want to know, though. I wish the question comes up yeah they can tell me like do you if you don't want to know though i wish the question wasn't asked i wish it didn't happen so you just wanted to keep like kind of use until we get to the point where it's like you know it needs to be addressed yeah i was to say it's an appropriate question at some point it's more so finding that time period of when is the correct way so from your perspective in the dating world now what do you like if you were to say like the top four issues that people run into or top three issues what are the issues i think it's overabundance like you were saying like there's too many options and like everyone has a small attention span that's probably a big issue is like the small attention span but do you find it creepy let me

out because i've heard this too would you find it and i've heard old bats say i'm gonna say old bats like people my age and above say this that people find it creepy like would you find it strange if a guy did not contact you through social media first and just cold came up to you in person no i think that's great. Okay, that's good for a lot of people. But I've heard some people say like, hey, it's weird to not like develop the connection online first. I would prefer to not develop the connection online.

Okay, good. Yeah. There's still hope for humanity yet. I think that the ideal way to meet someone is a friend of a friend, like a setup. In Korea, that's how people, everyone meets. It's like, oh, like, let me set you up on a blind date. And I think that that is great, in my opinion. Most of the time, whenever someone says they have a friend,

they're always usually ugly. I met someone through a friend recently who was really cute. Oh, I've got this friend. She's so beautiful. Maybe they're just setting you up with that. They're setting me up for failure. Yeah, maybe. Aren't you in a relationship, man? Yeah, I am in a relationship.

I'm just talking about in the past. These are all past tense situations. I got to cover your fucking ass for you man yeah you have a good friend yeah you're just out there acting like like you kind of leave it obscure like you're out there ready to go you're talking about coming on some girl's carpet now this is just past stories i i i i'm very transparent about my past um so that's one of them number two rushing things number three yeah but that goes under rushing things. I think that those are just the two main issue. It's like overabundance.

I feel like rushing things could be rushing things emotionally and rushing things physically. Because those could be two different things. You could still rush things and have it not be like, hey, let me stick my dick in you or let me ride your cock. Lack of seduction. Do you have to fucking, God, I mean, listen, I'm all about- You're talking about penetrating.

Vulgarity, but Jesus, man, sometimes you say things that makes my stomach... The best... It's vile. Just on a tangent, literally, I think this always makes me smile internally. The best way to describe sex is bumping uglies. I don't know why. It always just makes me chuckle on the inside. I'm sure women love to be...

Well, it's both. It's because it's bumping uglies. It's both sides. It's not just women. You're chuckling on the inside you're just turning everybody on huh not enough seduction that's the the number one issue

so what's your solution what's your next move I don't know I'm trying to meet someone in real life and I'm trying to play a little bit of a game yeah it's fun

I think you gotta go outside the big cities I think they're too transient and I say that like not being like somebody that's like oh my god like a lady I think the problem is is outside the big cities. I think they're too transient. And I say that like not being like somebody that's like, oh my God, like a lady. I think the problem is, is there's... I tried dating in Austin.

It wasn't for me. Well, I'm not even saying Austin. I consider that a big city too. I think it's hard to... I like some of the people who aren't from LA, that live in LA. Is that a transient? Are you saying that's not the goal?

I just think that like the problem is, you're on the dating apps? Which ones are you on? No, I'm not on dating apps. Oh, you're off? I'm on Raya, but I don't use it. Oh, fancy. I've never met anyone from Raya.

That's a fancy one, right? I guess. Yeah. That's the one bunch of my friends like they always try to get on there thinking that's going to like. I haven't opened up Raya in like three months, but yeah. What are the good dating apps now? I've heard good things about Hinge.

Bumblebee. Bumble. Oh, Bumbleblebee i think they were sponsored probably no they're a sponsor at some point they're not anymore that's who cares okay bumble tinder tinder is for like fucking that's what it's known for yeah so if you're on tinder you're just fucking yeah i think that you can i think that it can be a relationship also but like there's no bio it's all it is just images on Tinder. It's like you're just liking someone for their looks on Tinder. What about Match?

I've never used Match. I think that's for- Match dating app sponsor code skinny. There's a lot of new ones coming up though. There's ones that are more serious. Hinge I think is more serious. I've used Hinge. I met someone I liked from Hinge once and the guys who have asked me like, what we? Are usually from Hinge as well. So what happens? People go single now.

And like their move is like when they become single, most people just hit Tinder. Like I'm fucking no. Yeah, probably. And they also hit Hinge and like pretend to be wanting something serious. Because I've asked my guy friends. I'm like, what are you doing on there? Like, oh, this may be people might get mad at me saying this. I feel like people that are kind of serious people don't go on the apps. So I think that's also why people are struggling on these apps is they get a

bunch of the people that are like, I'm just here to fuck around. I disagree. Okay. So maybe that's wrong. Yeah. I disagree. Because sometimes it's hard to meet people though in real life. You know why I think it's hard to meet people in real life is we've lost this. Like, like I could never, if I was single, which i'm yelling at me now i would never go on one of these apps ever you couldn't pay me any money i would i like the old-fashioned way of going up to somebody in person or getting a connection through a friend or actually pursuing somebody tracking where would you go i want like like concrete give me tangibles because i go to places and i'm i wouldn't go to transient places where people get sloppy i would not so i think that like people's like they're the way they think

about meeting people is like okay i'm gonna go out to the bar i'm gonna go out where everyone's getting fucked up and i'm gonna go meet somebody it's like okay people out there getting fucked up and sloppy so like that if you're going into that setting like that's what you got to expect you're gonna find right like that's a comfortable place to talk to someone yes but that's what i'm saying is people are seeking comfort all the time people People are like, I got to be comfortable. I got to be loosed up. I got to have a couple of drinks. I maybe got to have my friends around.

I got a little confidence because if not, I'm not going to be in the setting to be able to do these kinds of acts to pursue someone. So I think it's a self-exploration. I'm like, okay, you go to those settings. Those are the type of pools you're fishing in. I always think about like, where are you fishing? That goes in business. That goes in dating.

That goes basically anything in life. You got to know the pool you're fishing in. So if you go to the sloppy bar where everyone's going and getting fucked up, those are the fish you're catching. Fucked up sloppy fish. So I would go to places. I'm trying to think of the types of settings. I think going to hotels that have a lot of foot

traffic that interesting people are coming and staying in are interesting. Go have a drink there at a lounge. I think going to places like if I was in Austin, I think that it's interesting. If you go to Khalil's place, Sun Life Organics, you're seeing people in their natural element, probably people that have a focus on health on health taking care of themselves maybe there i think restaurant bars are underrated like just good restaurants a lot of bar but like a place where people go like an italian spot yeah and like propping up at the bar there i think certain type of stores like i mean this is dating myself but like back in the day like you had a place like barnes and noble and stuff you see some of the brain right um i don't know i think people with a brain are going to like cafes

and working at a cafe now yeah stuff like that also i think like in professional settings you can meet a lot of interesting people also i would create a good inbound cycle right like i would systemize it where i'd be like okay like how am i gonna create something that stands out where people actually seek me out and find me interesting? Like I wouldn't put myself at the mercy of what everyone else puts themselves at the mercy of. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I wouldn't go and fish where everybody else is fishing and try what everyone else is trying. Cause I think like that is-

That's what's not working. That's not, well, that's what is either not working or what is working for the majority of people. And whenever I see stuff like that,'m like okay you run the other way yeah i mean it's just like anything else in life it's like whenever you know like people come to you and they say oh you gotta buy this stock or like right now is a great time to buy a house like whenever anybody else everybody else is doing something and finding success or fit like i always think like what is what is the place that i could go where people aren't going and then i start to think like where are the serious people going okay is that good advice yeah i agree completely with

that it's not to say people can't meet people in these settings i'm not like diminishing like there's a time and a place to go out to clubs or bars or this and that but you just got to understand that you're fishing in a very unfiltered pond. I just think going to clubs to meet people, you can have no conversation. Usually the music is so fucking loud, you're screaming. You're like, what? Yeah, okay.

And then at that point, it's basically like the Tinder where it's just conductive to looks and body and you're dancing and then that's it. And they're like, oh, I met this guy. But did you really meet them? All you did was fucking dance and then get shit-faced.

Yeah. I don't go to clubs. I haven't been to a club since my 21st birthday with you guys. Oh, I got fucking blacked out. I'm going to plan. Taylor, you know what I'm going to plan? Because I was talking to Mimi and she's, you've never been to Vegas, right? No, I've never been to Vegas. Oh my God. Are you serious? Yeah, let's go. I mean, there was a period of time, like I think the best way to go to Vegas is you go in on like a seven or eight o'clock flight. You land. You have dinner. You go out. You go on an absolute fucking animal bender. Right? You just do it nuts. Probably leave.

Depending on the group you're with, maybe you go to a strip club. Okay. Probably we would go to the strip club. It would be fun. Where would we go? Rhino? No. Spearmint Rhino. Sorry. I don't know if that's the one right now. You go somewhere. It's fine. Because you go out. You all go as a group. And there's guys and girls. You all go together.

Yeah, I'm dying to go to a strip club. Well, they shut down. The club shut down, what, two? Wait, Taylor, is it two in Vegas or three or four? I don't remember. No, the clubs don't ever shut down in Vegas. Yes, they do. Do they really?

Yeah, they get slower, whatever. And then you go off to an after hours club. Yeah, because for me, I always like the more loungy ones that are open. The clubs and stuff, I do those very, very rarely. I've only done it a couple times. And then you go. Like the day clubs? Then you kind of pass out and you wake up and you have some fucking absurd brunch.

We used to do this lava brunch. I used to like that. And you go there and you're like, they start serving pancakes, but everyone's fucking hung over. And the next thing you know, like you're on top of the table and it's pitch black and you're blacked out. Love it. And then potentially you just kind of like crash that

second one and then you wake up and chill at the pool then you get the fuck out so it's like max two days maybe even only one and a half days that's the way to do it i'm gonna take you plan it let's go i'm gonna take you to do it i haven't done it in a long time you haven't been drinking so you'll have to stop that first these two kids they really fucking cramp my style okay but anyways okay but again like you i mean but here like, again, you can meet people and have a fun, I'm not saying don't have fun one night, crazy party, out of control sex and all this, but I think we're talking about like, if you're dating and trying to find a relationship. I've been burning the midnight oil these days. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. I have to do all that. But yeah, that's my advice is like, I would maybe stop fishing in all

the same pools. I would go to different places. I would try to create a scenario where there's human interactions. There's always like this uncomfortable thing where, you know, people, men, men, women, they find it intimidating to go up and talk. I'll tell you this about Taylor. One thing, and my friend Alex, I'll call him too. My friends that do the best with women are the ones that go up to women in real life and strike up a conversation and be a human being. And honestly, it's been a long time for me, but that's how I

would pursue women. I would go in person, talk, like show that I'm a real person. And like, listen, you get some rejections, but Taylor, don't you agree? Absolutely. But that's the thing. People do get scared. People get scared that they're going to get rejected. But that's part of the same thing. It's part of the fun

because you never know. If you don't do that, then you're basically, you'll be infinitely rejected because you're never even going to try. Yeah. I think confidence is a little bit difficult in that.

And I think my cousin put it this a long time ago. And I was like, yeah, that's true. It's like the worst thing that could happen is they just say no or they're not interested. And I was like, oh, that's true. It's like the worst thing that could happen is they just say no or they're not interested. And I've always looked at it in that sense.

It's like whenever going up to someone, it's like the worst thing that they could say is no or hey, if you go up and you're polite and you're nice, they're not going to be mean to you. They're just going to say, oh, not interested. Perfect. What'd you lose? You lost nothing.

But you have a chance to potentially gain a lot if that's what you're looking for. And guess what? That applies to business. That applies to raising money. That applies to applying for a job. That applies to literally everything. The worst thing that happens

is someone says no, you get a little bit of a bruised ego and you're in the exact same place as you were before. You don't take a life hit and go back. It's not like Mario where you go back three squares.

You take a little hit to the ego and you're like, okay, back on the horse. All my friends that do that, I won't say my name like they just go out they play the numbers game and they get out there like they i also think the same goes for women like women are like oh no i have to be approached and i think that making if i am seeing a guy who's cute or like i see him out wherever i'll start a conversation with him but

then like he needs to like lead the rest of it but if i'm interested conversation yeah but some girls don't even, they won't even do that where they're so just passive towards it. I think that would be something that would be interesting to see

because I don't think it's really evolved but it's always usually the guy needs to be the one to go up there. Maybe I learned that from you, Taylor. If I could give any of the women

out there advice, it's like you don't have to make it so hard on the guy to get an opening. For sure. If there is some semblance of interest and you're like, I kind't have to make it so hard on the guy to get an opening. If there is some semblance of interest and you're like, I kind of want this guy to hit on me or come up to me, again, not being sexist, there's a way to signal that you're open to that as opposed to this cold shoulder, I'm not going to do anything until someone approaches me. Put yourself in their

space too. Yeah. People can sense if you're open to being pursued or hit on or whatever. I actually think that this applies in relationships too, right? Lauren and I, honestly, this is true. We don't get hit on, either of us, ever. It's rare that I get hit on

or some kind of weird DM. Actually, this woman- Some woman just has to see your ball sack right now. Did you send it? She said, show the genitals. And it was funny. It was like-

Such an opener. It was like a- Yeah, that that's good it was like a mom of two or three it was show the genitals so it's just like i sent her my genitals yeah i sent her my genitals back no i'm just kidding that's like maybe happens like once a year like it doesn't it's not frequent interesting and with lauren maybe like like a little more, but very little. And the reason I think that that is true is because there's an energy you can give off single or in a relationship that shows like, hey, I'm open to this type of thing. If you don't give off that energy, nobody's coming around unless they're an absolute fucking creep, right? Like there's the creeps out there. It's like, get out of here, creep. But I never feel bad for my friends when they're like, oh,

like, I don't know, Like these girls were all like, they can't, it's like, dude, you're putting that energy out there. Same with girls. Like you, like if you close off and like, I'm not open for business,

people know. Yeah. With body language and like speech. Yeah. That's why any of my Joker friends that end up fucking around on their wives or their girlfriends and you get caught, it's like, I don't know how,

I don't know. It's like, well, you put that out there. You let them know you're open for business. You don't put that out there and they're not going to come around. For sure. Right?

Because it's that confidence thing. If people know they're going to get for sure shut down or that that's not the energy, they're not going to risk it. But if you put that signal out there like, hey, I kind of like this and I'm open, then yeah, you're going to... But same thing. If you're dating and you want that attention, there's a way to do it. One thing we have learned from this podcast that we never did before this podcast is to

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Okay. Let's blow through it. Do you want me to text it to you? No, no. Let's just go down the list really quickly and let's see which ones spark some quick. Do you guys want to see the image first? Oh, yeah.

Show the image. I want to see what he looks like. You guys, okay. He was wearing a hat and he had a beard. Okay. You guys, it's like literally so bad. Do you see him, Taylor? It literally says, say. Okay. You guys, it's like literally so bad. Do you see him, Taylor?

It literally says, say hi. It's literally, it's so bad. Let me see, let me see. No, no, no, no. Look, he lists what he's wearing, the processing lab for the image. Wait, hold on, hold on. It's like... This has just reached another level.

This guy... This is like a full-blown website. This isn't like a list. No. This is just like a list. It's literally like you go on and it's just like, hey there. Wait, can you see it, Taylor?

It says self-portrait in bold, jacket and pants by 424, shirt by Comme des Garcons, shoes Yeezy Supermoon, assistant photographer won't put the... Hair and makeup, won't put that. Processing lab won't put that. Hair and makeup won't put that. Processing lab won't put that. And he's doing a pretend walk shot.

On the tennis court. Yeah. There's some production value in this. This guy's got to be joking. He's got to be a joke. I don't think so. You know what I think we should do? We should do a follow-up on this

and we should call him and have him actually call in to the podcast or somehow we need to incorporate this. If I called him right now, he'd answer. That's what I mean. I don't want to meet this guy. I feel like he'd try to hurt us or something. We don't need to meet him in person.

I feel like I'd have to choke this guy out or something. It might be a joke because he did message me again and he was like, what was the best way a guy came up to you? So he was asking for advice. So maybe this is his move maybe he's just like maybe he's just a lost soul that's like trying to get data on what's working what's not maybe he's doing research he's like i'm doing market research maybe he's data driven i don't literally but the photo the photo is pretty bad biography okay hold on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Is a film director photographer based

in Los Angeles. He got interested in photography while visiting Cuba at the age of eight. Back in California X started making short films

which screened at over 50 film festivals worldwide. He picked up a few awards and then directed his first feature film starring is a billiards

and music enthusiast. In his spare time, he introduces music, cooks, and dances salsa. This has got to be a joke. No. He told me about

the salsa thing when I met him. And also all about the... What's the contact page thing? No, this is a joke. No, it's real. I don't know about this guy. This is either a joke

or it's one of these really, really extensive people from LA that are so... Their head's so far up their ass that they think that this is acceptable to do. it's one of these really, really extensive people from LA that are so their head so far up their ass that they think that this is acceptable. He's from the Bay Area. Where's the red flags list?

You have to get back to it. It's like hidden. It's like you can't access it on the page. Oh, he's got it. Yeah. It's a direct link. All right, Mimi. Well, I wish that I had some better answers for you here.

I don't know what you're going to do, to be honest. I'm feeling okay. I'm not very confused right now, actually. I just thought this guy. Do some market research for us. Go on a date with him and then let us know how it goes. No. You should go on a date and do everything that he says that he hates. Literally, oh my god, please. You know what? I don't

know if we've learned anything today. Same. I don't know if anybody got any kind of value out of this. The only thing I really got was Taylor, the bumping uglies. Bumping uglies. Start using that slang. You want to bump uglies?

It's just funny. It makes Sometimes I need a podcast. I learned the circuit about that guy your friend. I'm thinking about having my own circuit. That's a good move honestly.

Listen. That's the other thing. It's like you know if I was in the dating world I'd probably systemize it. Right? For sure. You got to be strategic.

Yeah. You don't want to waste that's the thing too. You's like you got to find your regular places, your regular drinks, your regular like, you know, wait staff that you can get along with that know you, know what you like. Absolutely. Close to your place. Yeah, I think spontaneity is

overrated. I really do. I tell Lauren that all the time. Whenever someone that's maybe one of my red flags when someone comes. I'm so spontaneous. Like I'm out. I'm out. Let's plan it up a little bit. Yeah. Right? So that's one of your 30 for your red flag list. You know what?

I have a follow-up podcast that I think we should do. We should make a list of red flags. Okay. My red flags. Yours? Yours. Lauren's. Mine.

Okay. Taylor's? Now that I'm thinking about this guy's website, I actually don't think it's that bad of an idea. I might create this and be like, even in business and in life, and this is my red flag. Let's not waste time here. Okay. I had to go to this dinner last night.

And I dread whenever I have to go to a dinner. Yeah. Can't wait to have dinner tonight. This is the equivalent of dating when you're in a relationship. And I was like, oh my God, we got to go to this double date. And honestly, the people are really awesome. Yeah. On paper, these people people you would be like

why would you not want to go but it's just you have a kid and a wife like it's a lot well it's not that i'm also just like a recluse these days i like you know like i i really identify with that movie um the aviator when howard hughes is like locked in that thing pissing in jars and like like that might be kind of cool for me to just be alone like that. And so I was just like dreading it. You know, it's not going anywhere. But I was just, you know what I'm saying? Then you ended up having fun. If I could have, no, I did have fun.

It was fine. Once I get there, I can have fun. I can loosen up. I'm like, no, no, no, no. And then I'm there. I'm like the WB frog. I'm like, let's fucking go. I'm the same way.

I turn it on when I need to. I'm the same way. I was pissing a jar when I was so hungover and someone actually drank it thinking it was water. Ooh. It's a long story. Someone's going to, if I drink your pee, I'd be fucking done. You would never hear from me again. I'd kill myself. Literally. That would be my 13th reason. I'd kill him first. And then I'd kill myself. Like if they ever like what happened to Michael and Taylor, I'd be like, well, Michael accidentally drank his piss and then he had to kill him and everything's dead.

He leaves behind two young children and a destitute wife. All right, guys. All right. I guess. Thanks for tuning in. Yes.

I hope you got something from this. I'm sorry if you were looking for some kind of inspiration or education. Hopefully you got a little entertainment. That's all we can really hope for. Yeah. We'd love to know

your deal breakers and red flags. I feel like there's so much information on dating. That's why I think that we definitely Someone's going to

listen to this and write us in 10 years later. But that time you guys talked about pissing in the jars. Really. I found my husband.

I found my wife. That's what we do. That's going to be the takeaway is that someone drank Taylor's pee for sure. Yeah. Let's not get into that. I found my wife. So we do. That's going to be the takeaway is that someone drank Taylor's pee for sure. Yeah. Let's not get it.

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seamless with their application process, which is what I appreciate. But like I said, I don't want to put a bunch of chemicals on Zaza, which is why I like this brand. When it comes to sunscreen, I'm a year-round person. I try to put it on Zaza and myself year-round, but I can't do super, super thick, unlightweight sunscreens. But I can't do super, super thick sunscreens that aren't lightweight. So I'm kind of particular when it comes to sunscreen. I even wrote about this in the book. I've learned too after writing this book that sunscreen should be worn daily for all skin tones. So you got to find a sunscreen that you like. And I think it's important to see what's actually in the sunscreen. If you want protection from those harmful UV rays, you have to check out Sunbum, especially it's summertime. Fourth of July is coming up. Protect yourself, your kids,

your husband. I spray it on Michael. I spray it on his muscles. They glisten in the sun. He loves it. You can use one-time code skinny at checkout for 15% off your purchase at sunbum.com. That's S-U-N-B-U-M.com you should know this deal ends december 31st 2022 get your family