The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #30: Danny Kurtzman - Excuses are like assholes... motivation 101 and more mental toughness

Episode Date: September 27, 2016

Danny Kurtzman joins Lauryn & Michael to share his journey in life, up to present day. From growing up with Lauryn & Michael to overcoming his handicap, his involvement with Ezekiel, personal clothing... brands and "Life Rolls On," this multi-talented gentleman gives an interview you can't miss! Lauryn & Michael also give you the 'Him & Her Tips of the Week,' and catch you guys up on life outside of the studio. To Connect with Danny click HERE To Learn More about the Life Rolls On Charity and Donate Click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn’s latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you’ll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

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Starting point is 00:01:55 And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Fantastic. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her. Get ready for some major realness. Is my face in the sun?
Starting point is 00:02:12 A bright white light just beaming down the center of your face. Is it actually in the sun? Because I don't want it in the sun. Yep, and you're not going to be able to escape it. Why, Michael? I just want to preserve it. And we're back again. I have no personality today because my teeth hurt. I just, I want to preserve it. And we're back again. I have no personality today because my teeth hurt. I am Lauren Everts, creator of The Skinny Confidential.
Starting point is 00:02:36 And this is Michael Bostic, serial entrepreneur, total badass. Smart cookie. Crushing the game, smart cookie. Taking the podcast world by storm. Okay, I'm asleep. I have, Kevin's laughing at me. I don't know why. I have a lot of energy today. Been hitting the gym.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Getting jacked. A lot of testosterone's going on. A lot of testosterone. Might flip the table over. Teresa Giudice. Episode 30. 30. Made it.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Made it. I don't know how we made it. I feel like 29 of those episodes I wanted to kill you. So we'll see what happens after this one. I told you I got my little shank. Don't even be creeping up on me. I'll get you. We're doing a different dynamic today because we're sitting across from each other instead of next to each other, which I feel like is better. Although I have some sunlight on my skin, so I'm kind of having anxiety.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Looking into those beautiful blue eyes. Thanks, babe. That's cute. I didn't realize how blue they were. The sun is shining so deeply into them that I can now see them. Looking into those beautiful blue eyes. Thanks, babe. That's cute. I didn't realize how blue they were. The sun is shining so deeply into them that I can now see them. Michael, is the sun really on my face? I'm not joking.
Starting point is 00:03:33 No, no, you're good. You're good. Michael, I can't have the sun on my face. You're not good. Michael, please. All right, so we're back. Episode number 30. We've got a super exciting guest for you guys today.
Starting point is 00:03:45 We'll introduce him later. If you follow me on Snapchat, you already know who that is. He's kind of a ladies man. So we're in LA. We are working on something super exciting. We are working on a product line for the Skinny Confidential. Yes. And we're excited. We've been working on it for six, seven months behind the scenes, under wraps, different than what we usually do because most of what we do is really out there in the world.
Starting point is 00:04:11 So it's nice to have like a surprise coming for once. It's a surprise. And now we're kind of at the point where I get to pick colors. So I kind of want to ask your guys' opinions because I almost want you guys to create what we're creating together, if that makes sense. One of my favorite things is to get the consumer and customer base involved early in the process on creation because you can kind of query them in any business and figure out what they like, what they want, what you guys like, what you guys want? And ultimately, it's a product that we're excited about, but we want the people that we're ultimately going to be selling it to excited about as well. So to get everybody involved in the process would be rad.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Kind of similar to what we did with this podcast. We took the feedback and heard what people had to say and adjusted from there. And I think we're going to do the same thing with this product line. And the product is something that I would use every single day. And it has to be something that I would use every day. And I'm always picturing you guys and what you guys would think. I get most inspired when I'm doing intervals. And today I thought of the names of the products. So I'm going to ask opinions coming soon on Snapchat because I want you guys to weigh in. We already started doing it on Instagram. Yeah. Want me to plug your Instagram handle? The Skinny Confidential. Thanks, babe. Does that mean you want me to plug yours?
Starting point is 00:05:30 Go. At Michael Bostic, at Michael Bostic, at Michael Bostic. Could use a couple more follows. You spell Bostic with one S. Yeah, no, please don't. Two S's. Why? Don't blow me up like that. Don't screw this up for me. Oh my God. He loves to plug his handles.
Starting point is 00:05:48 So wedding planning is still in full swing. We are meeting with our friend Chris. I feel like we should go to La Scala tomorrow because I love their chopped salad to talk about marrying us. Yeah, our friend is going to marry us. Both Lauren and I are kind of taking a lax approach to this. You don't say. Fortunately and unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:06:04 one of our best friends, Chris, is going to marry us. I have no... We have not talked to him once about anything. I feel like he's going to be drunk, too, when he marries us. Yeah, he's going to... I know he's going to be drunk.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Not to paint him as a drunk, but like... No, he's not a drunk, but like... But we're going to be drinking. Like, you know, I'm not going down there to, you know, play patty cake. I'm going down there to have a good time. Play patty cake?
Starting point is 00:06:24 Yeah, that's what came to my mind. Oh, really weird. So I am planning my bachelorette and bridal shower. And I like to work under pressure. As you guys know, I love, love, love to leave shit to the last minute. Michael knows that. I had this idea where I went and got three poster boards, like huge poster boards from Rite Aid and Sharpies. And basically I wrote bachelorette bridal and wedding on each poster board. And then I just made a list of every single thought in my head on each poster board. So right now we're focused on the bachelorette party, which is going to be insane. I'm very excited. And I am focused on the bachelor party, which is hopefully not going to be too insane. No, yours is going to be nothing like mine.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I'm actually scared. Like, I need to figure something out, but I'm actually getting a little worried about what I'm going to do. I got some wild friends, so. You guys can go get wild. It's your last hurrah. Lauren says she has PIs. No, I have PIs.
Starting point is 00:07:18 So I hired two PIs where he's going. One you would never know is a PI, and the other one's a a little more obvious and they're going to take pictures the entire time. So anyways, if this wedding doesn't kill me, the stress of thinking about PIs on my bachelor party will. Don't fuck around. I have PIs. I've done a lot of stressful things in my life, but this wedding is definitely getting up there. Gargoyles are going to be hanging off the ceiling. There's PIs everywhere. Anywhere you look, one of your friends is a mole. When they gave me the quote for the donkey tacos, and I call them donkey tacos because we're going to Mexico. And sometimes I just like to joke that the tacos in Mexico are from donkey meat, even though hopefully they're not. When I saw the quote just for the tacos,
Starting point is 00:07:54 I almost had a full blown heart attack. They've probably quadrupled the cost of these tacos. Well, let's see how much you care about me. Oh my God, not that much. Not that much. The tacos, yes. We're not doing a filet and salmon moment at the wedding. I feel like no one wants filet at a wedding, but every wedding does filet, which I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:08:17 When you go to a wedding, you're drinking, you're partying, like you want street tacos. You want a hamburger. No one wants some like five course like a moosh boosh like like throw in like a tomato soup caesar salad and then i'll end with a filet and like a very rich souffle if one more person if one more person tries to get upsell me on a five course meal they are fired no we're doing like chips and salsa and guacamole which is what everyone wants to eat i'm sorry no one wants like this intense like herb fusion meal at a
Starting point is 00:08:53 wedding right am i wrong no way in you guys tweet every wedding i've ever been to when they do this whole thing i fall asleep i wake back up fall asleep michael then i need like those what are those things i I can't. I'm having a mind. When they shock you back to life. I don't know what that is. So, yeah. I mean, I'm sorry if you had a wedding and you did a five course meal, but your guests
Starting point is 00:09:13 were bored. I don't care what they say. They're bored. Nobody cared. No, it's not that they're bored. It's just like not what you're craving when you're drunk and dancing. Like you just don't want the whole shebang. Listen, you got Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:09:23 He's eyeing Susie from across the thing. he's ready to get down on the dance floor he doesn't need the next like salmon filet coming down the plate mixed with the two more desserts he needs he needs to get going by the time he eats all that food he's done he doesn't want to party anymore wants to go home there you go with a jimmy and suzy again he uses jimmy and suzy every single time he talks about two people we don't know anyone named jimmy and. I mean, your name is Susie when you're running through the airport like a batshit psycho. But, you know, can't be perfect. Anyway, so wedding planning, killing me. Another thing that I am doing that Michael is extremely excited about is my calendar.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Oh, yeah. Lauren's actually getting organized somewhat. Michael, I'm very organized. I was told by our coach that we were working with a coach who's also our good friend. So I don't know if that's good, but to encourage you. So I'm going to encourage you and say, I'm proud of you for getting organized on your calendar. Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Because he said I had to support you. Okay. No matter what. Okay. First of all, I am very organized. Like, can you be real? I'm organized as shit.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Not with your time or not? Not with my time. I have some time management problems. I overcommit myself and I say I can do 100 things at once when I should just be doing one thing at once. So Steve, my friend, who we will have on this podcast eventually, is sitting with me every single night for a half an hour and looking at my calendar for the next day and going through and basically telling me that if I am in two places at once, I'm bouncing checks. So for instance, I had to go to the dentist at three o'clock.
Starting point is 00:10:54 You would have been in jail by now if you were doing the bouncing checks analogy. You've been bouncing checks for years. Yeah, seriously. This whole time thing, I've never seen anything like it on my time. I had to be at the dentist at three and then at three 30, I had to leave and drive to the office. So Steve basically told me, no, you need to leave at three 30 and you need, I guess you need 45 minutes instead of a half an hour. He basically just like maneuvers my whole entire calendar so I can be on time and I don't have to be so stressed. And it has taken a lot of anxiety off my plate, I must say. Although I was 30 minutes late here today. However, that's because the elevator was down, Kevin. No, you weren't down there for 30 minutes.
Starting point is 00:11:34 I was having a turkey sandwich with cranberry sauce and stuffing. So that made me 10 minutes late, but I had to eat or I would have no personality on the podcast. Sun is shining. I know. I was just going to say that as the sun on my face. I think I have to move to the other side. I can't do the sun. I just can't do it. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Now that I'm out of the sun, can we just talk about why I hate the sun? Because of my skin. I cannot deal with it on my face. You guys know this. If you read my blog, I'm very weird about it. I have a full blonde mustache
Starting point is 00:12:06 from the sun and from hyperpigmentation and melasma, so I'm very picky about what I use on it. So something that's really worked for me is BioClarity. Basically, I use it at night. Love to use it when I'm in LA because it's so polluted here. And it's just very natural and powered by science. And basically what it does is it helps with acne, pigmentation, and kind of the feel of your skin. It's great for young adults, and it's clinically proven to clear up acne blemishes and help maintain clear, confident skin. So basically it's three steps, super quick.
Starting point is 00:12:43 No one has time. The first step's a cleanse, and it's a rich super quick no one has time the first step is a cleanse and it's a rich forming facial cleanser that washes away dirt oil and pollutions which is why i use it when i'm in la and it has a powerful plant extract from green tea green tea is very detoxifying you know this if you read the skinny confidential it's awesome for your skin it gives you that glowy look and then it also has cucumber in it which I'm obsessed with because cucumber is super cooling for the skin. Awesome if you have a burn too. It also has chamomile in it, which is calming for the skin. So it's not super harsh and there's no harsh chemicals in it at all, which is in a lot of facial cleansers. So make
Starting point is 00:13:20 sure you guys are checking your ingredients. If you're using any other facial cleansers, the second step is to treat the skin. And this is going to come in like a gel. And this kind of penetrates the pores and attacks the bacteria that causes acne. Michael really needs this. You got to use some of this. Send some my way. I will. It contains antioxidants from oat kernel, which is super interesting and has tons of powerful skin moisturizers. And the final step, which is again, super quick, easy three steps is the restore gel. And it has this green stuff that's in plants. And that's kind of what makes the whole thing unique. Okay. So the last and final step, like I said, it's quick, is the Restore Gel. And that comes with the green
Starting point is 00:14:05 stuff that's in plants. And that kind of makes the whole product unique. That's why I like it best. These are patented ingredients proven to help with reducing redness, the size of pores, and soothing the skin, which is totally what I need whenever I'm in the sun for one second. So what are you guys waiting for? Get clearer skin today. Just go to bioclarity.com. The Skinny Confidential listeners will get their first month for only $9.95. That is $20 savings when it comes with 100% risk-free money-back guarantee, which I love. And you just have to enter my code skinny. That's bioclarity.com. Enter my code skinny. Go to bioclarity.com today. All right. Before we take the break, let's get into the tip of the week real quickly. Lauren, you want me to go first? Absolutely. My tip is time blocking. And you guys know this. If you read the skinny confidential, there's a post. You just can Google it if you
Starting point is 00:14:56 want. It's called the skinny confidential time blocking. And it's this cube that you get on Amazon. It's white. It's super cute. It matches with my whole office aesthetic. And on it is five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, Michael, 20 minutes, 20, 30. Yeah. Michael got me into it. It's basically like $5 and you time block your entire day. I carry it in my purse and you can, you can use it at home. You can use it in the office. You can use it to time block sex. Just kidding. I just wanted to get your attention. You can time block whatever you want. I time block from the second I wake up to the second I go to bed when I have a really busy day.
Starting point is 00:15:32 I time block my makeup. I time block cleaning my closet. I time block doing work, emails, whatever. And it just helps you to stay on track. And what I have found, and Michael's also found this as well, is that it actually makes you get stuff done quicker. Well, it's because you're focused. You're so focused on one task, you're doing one thing at once, that it kind of speeds the day up, which is awesome. And Steve has been a very, very big cheerleader about my time blocker.
Starting point is 00:16:01 He wants me to just bring it everywhere. I've got my calendar going. So that has just really helped me. If you're bad with time management, check it out. It's on Amazon. I think it's by DateXX. I'll leave the link on Twitter. And let me know what you guys think. Comment on my Instagram or snap me and let me know if it's working for you. I'd love to know. My tip's a little bit different, but I get a lot of snaps, a lot of questions about young entrepreneurs, young businessmen, women looking for the next idea, the next gold rush, the next thing to do. And a lot of people, you know, they're, they haven't
Starting point is 00:16:35 really found their passion yet. And they're looking for something to do. And they want to get into selling product or a new business or, you know, a new service. service. And they haven't had that light bulb that's gone off yet to say like, okay, aha, this is what I'm supposed to do. I don't think it's always about finding that next big thing. I think when you're starting out, you can start with something small and kind of build it up and build it out. And one of the best ways to do that is to look at Google Trends and Amazon bestsellers, see what's actually already selling and what's actually already working. Form a business from there.
Starting point is 00:17:06 So think like, you know, there's a phone case company. They're not the only ones. There's been all sorts of other phone case companies that have come out and have done a great job at, you know, finding their place in the market. What you're doing is you're taking something that's proven to sell, and you're putting your own personality
Starting point is 00:17:21 and your own stamp on it and selling in a market that's proven. So, you know, check out Craigslist, see what's trending, see what people are looking for. Check out what's being funded on Kickstarter, Indiegogo. It'll kind of help you find your idea, find the product you want to sell.
Starting point is 00:17:34 And, you know, you start there and you build out. And then, you know, as you get experience running a business like that, you know, it'll lead to the next thing. So that's my tip. I like it. I think you can also go on Yahoo trends too. They have a good one. Sometimes I look at that for articles. This is a thing for marketers
Starting point is 00:17:50 to look at Google trends and Yahoo trends to figure out what people are searching and buying. That's a little trick right there that I've been using for a long time. Thanks for showing us what's up your sleeve. On that note, we'll take a break and we're going to bring our guest on. So stay tuned because he is rad as shit. Hey, man. Ace Man here, and that's my trusty licensed partner, Dr. Drew over there. Got to get it on, man. You know, we used to work together every night, and we are back.
Starting point is 00:18:18 We used to. Why don't people get the message? The band is back together. We're doing it still now. Good. Tell them why it's better now, Drew. The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. We're unencumbered. We're doing it still now. Good. Tell them why it's better now, Drew. The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. We're unencumbered.
Starting point is 00:18:28 We're unlicensed. We're uncensored. We do anything we want. It's the pirate ship, man. The fudge, yeah. We do what we want. So you can download the Adam and Dr. Drew Show now on the Podcast One app or iTunes or at podcastone.com. You're listening to The Skinny Confidential, him and her, with Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic.
Starting point is 00:18:53 All right, we are back from the break. I have a guest in the studio, a longtime friend of ours. Excited to have him on the show. I think he's going to bring a lot of value, a lot of clarity, a lot of interesting topics, hopefully. So we've known him since sixth grade. Well, I have. Michael's known him since second. His name is Danny Kurtzman. Hello. And he is a major hottie. He's wearing a hat right now that says, All We Have Is Now. It's super cute. and i will let him introduce himself so my name is dan kertzman i've
Starting point is 00:19:27 known these two lovely people michael since second grade lauren since six uh wow it's been a while it's been a long time really long time yeah i remember uh first time uh lauren asked michael out i think was it wax asked dante out and then was it who's the arian asked brocco out was was that her name? Arian? Okay, so. That was a really cute time. I remember, like, right by the picnic tables, and it was, like, really emotional.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And it was, like, a really big thing. And it was at sixth grade that, like, our friends were dating each other. I did not ask Michael out. Can we get that clear? Danny, he asked me out. I think it was, like, a mutual thing. I think, like, you three agreed That you three were going to date each other All at the same time and like go to Delmar Heights
Starting point is 00:20:08 She couldn't get enough of me She couldn't stop pursuing me She was fully developed in 6th grade She really was I really was fully developed you guys I had huge cannons Michael just wanted to hold hands Michael did not want to hold hands Danny
Starting point is 00:20:22 Michael wanted to do other things I think I had a girlfriend at the time But she wasn't quite as far along as Lauren to hold hands. Lauren was just... Michael did not want to hold hands, Danny. Michael wanted to do other things. I think I had a girlfriend at the time, but she wasn't quite as far along as Lauren, so she... That's not true. She had big ones, too.
Starting point is 00:20:32 She fell by the wayside. But yeah, so we've known Danny since second grade, or I have. Lauren's been with him since six. And Danny has had a very interesting life,
Starting point is 00:20:42 still has a very interesting life. He runs a family business that a lot of you may know called Ezekiel. It's a clothing line. Yeah, so right now I also am a brand manager and co-owner with my dad of Ezekiel Clothing, which is fun. I can't complain. It's an awesome job I get to work with. Amazing people, design a full collection four times a year, just in the action sports, California lifestyle industry.
Starting point is 00:21:09 I get to do rad photo shoots. You guys are crushing it. Yeah, it's fun. I didn't really, you know, I'm fourth generation clothing apparel, so my family's been doing this for quite a long time. Wow. Yeah, crazy. That's insane. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:21:24 I wasn't expecting doing this right out of college and i just kind of worked my way up started in like customer service you know doing production stuff and then now just move my way into marketing and started getting my hands in design so now i do marketing sales and design uh yeah it's a small tight-knit team but uh it's fun uh and so and also my dad it's a kind of an umbrella company. We do three-point distribution. So we're kind of like a brand manager. And we just kind of manage people's brands. And he's single.
Starting point is 00:21:53 He is single. And you know what's funny? One of Danny's, I don't want to say ex-employees. Yeah. So Josh was basically my boss for a while. He kind of showed me the ropes. He definitely set my steez a little bit out of college. So Michael is definitely partners with him right now.
Starting point is 00:22:11 So I have a partner named Josh, and we have a business together called Broken Home. It's a men's boot company, and he used to work with Danny. It's a small world. It really is a small world. But what I wanted to get into, and it's really small world it really is a small world but what i wanted to get into and it's it's really impressive everything danny's done i want you to kind of tell everybody about your life how we know each other how you know the what you've what you've done what you've accomplished what you've overcome like i just want you to kind of give the rundown and give everyone your story because i want to i just i think it's a really really interesting story i
Starting point is 00:22:41 think it's a really inspirational story we had the idea to have him on the podcast when we were all in Palm Springs partying. We got a little tipsy after one too many margaritas. That's usually how it works. Michael went to bed early. He had to go change his diaper, but Danny and I talked outside. We were having fun and playing beer pong and being normal.
Starting point is 00:22:59 And we just had this idea to bring him on and just tell his story because it's such an amazing story. We are on the radio. It's a podcast And we just had this idea to bring him on and just like tell his story because it's such an amazing story. Yeah. So, you know, we are on the radio. It's a podcast. So it's hard to really see who I am. You know, when I was nine-year-old, I was born with a muscular dystrophy called FSH.
Starting point is 00:23:15 And it was an early onset kind of rare diagnosis for myself. But the crazy thing is I don't really know too much about the disability. I've kind of always grown up and stood back and just looked at myself as like a normal individual. He doesn't let it define him. It's kind of Lauren Michael Nomi. And as I've gotten older,
Starting point is 00:23:39 the weaknesses of my muscle have gone more and more and more. So I met Michael more and I was just so you know i met michael more and i was just walking running around playing flag football michael and stuff like that baseball soccer uh you know and then going into high school just kind of got assistance of uh you know great friends of mine to get me around when it was longer distances and then when i got into college uh you know i started using the the system of a mobility scooter. So that's kind of – I probably should have used the scooter earlier on.
Starting point is 00:24:14 But that's just kind of – as you grow up, you learn different things. It's funny. When we were kids, we didn't – I don't even think we ever thought about the scooter. I mean we were just kind of like whenever danny needed help we just i mean there's been a many drunken nights where you've been on my back or on one of our friends back nights in high school or and like that's just kind of how we rolled the puppets yeah i mean literally i think there's times in high school we were running for the police with danny on my back quite good at the piggybacks uh you know and the crazy thing is is like looking back at that um i didn't i
Starting point is 00:24:45 don't think it held me back from experiencing anything in high school because i've had such great friends but uh you know i probably should have it wouldn't have been bad if i just used a scooter earlier on and i think it was just you know i just couldn't wrap my head around getting into a wheelchair or scooter at that moment um it was quite weird because now that I'm in it, I love it. It's given me full independence. I love it too. I love to hop on your lap. You know what I hate about it?
Starting point is 00:25:11 I call it a – Do you know what I hate about it? What do I call it again, Danny? A DUI – not a DUI, a SUI. A SUI. I love it because it can help me get around. But you know what I also hate about it is when I have to dismantle it and put it in Ubers or carry it upstairs. We were in New York the last time.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Michael manhandled this thing. No, but nobody's there to help me, right? So I have to take apart this scooter. How much does that thing weigh? I mean, that thing weighs- It's like 60, 70 pounds. No, no. It's more.
Starting point is 00:25:34 It's more. So I had to carry this goddamn scooter up. You know, I was about to file a complaint at this place in New York. They didn't have any kind of wheelchair access. It was like 15, 15 stash. What was up with that place? I had to carry this- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Can we just do a side note here? Okay. So first of all, we're in New York. They didn't have any kind of wheelchair access. It was like 15 stairs. What was up with that place? I had to carry this. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Hold on. Can we just do a side note here? Okay. So first of all, we're in New York. It's me, Michael, Danny, and a couple other of Michael's friends. And we go in this nightclub and his friends are like trying to like buy bottles of champagne and be cool. And I'm in the corner just like drinking my drink.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And they're like popping like all those like fireworks that go off in the club and like sparklers and everyone thinks they're so cool. And girls are coming up to them. But his friends aren't getting anything. No girls are talking to them. It's actually kind of embarrassing. I'm the only girl there. The only one that ended up making out with a girl was Danny.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I did make out with a girl that day. You were on fire. The other guys were in the corner like an awkward sixth grade dance. It was so embarrassing. I was asleep because I overexerted myself carrying the goddamn scooter. That thing. So you have to take it apart and carry the stuff. So anyways, I'm just joking.
Starting point is 00:26:35 No. Well, actually, I'm not joking. You know, the scooter sucks to carry. That's what Michael works out just so he can lift my scooter everywhere. I'm going to projectile vomit everywhere. Yeah. It takes the rest of our friends, like four people to carry the scooter, but I'll just slap that thing on my back.
Starting point is 00:26:47 He literally did it one person. Only him and Loudon could do that. That's quite amazing. Wow, Michael, you're so manly. That should really impress you more. Look at those muscles. Yeah, so that's kind of my story. It took me a lot to grow up during those years
Starting point is 00:27:03 and get into college. And then post-college, I've learned a lot, getting independent, finding out more about who I am. And you mentor kids that are in your situation that are younger, that have a lot of parents that maybe have put kind of an emphasis on that they can't do something. And you come in and say, actually, you can't. Yeah. Seriously, on that they can't do something and you come in and say actually you can't yeah seriously on that note like i you know i got fortunate enough it's i find my situation a little bit about luck as much it is about you know myself uh your attitude yeah i got lucky i got born with you know good parents in a good, go to good schools to meet awesome friends like Michael and Lauren and a lot of our close friends.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Go to a good college, Loyola Marymount, where I met more friends. And a lot of it was luck, but it's kind of when I found myself, I don't ever, today I think it's kind of almost like a
Starting point is 00:28:03 it kind of holds me back a little bit because I don't sometimes see I think it's kind of almost like a it kind of holds me back a little bit because I don't sometimes see myself with a disability that's really funny that you say that and I can say this and I promise you and this is why I wanted to have him on the podcast I never thought of having you on the podcast about this because I've never put you in that category
Starting point is 00:28:20 but then when we talked about this I was like this is brilliant you're amazing, the readers will love you the audience will love you but i have never looked at danny and ben and thought oh he has a disability he's never ever led with that and he's never let it define him and so no one around him defines him as that yeah it's and it's kind of like basically like there's times where you find i find myself like kind of like a reality check that I'm like, wait, I really do have a disability. Because I'm super independent, along with some friends. I live on my own with some friends.
Starting point is 00:28:55 I get dressed. I shower. I drive. I work. I travel. The driving thing is interesting to us. You have to explain that. You were driving at 16, completely normal, in a beautiful, huge car.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Yeah. Huge car. It was a big van. Wait, I couldn't even drive that car. Yeah, with spinners. It was a Lincoln Aviator with spinners. Oh, no, yeah, it was an Aviator with spinners. He had spinners.
Starting point is 00:29:16 How gangster is that, though? Wait, and you had the hottest guy in the car all the time. Remember Justin? Yeah, you definitely had a crush on Justin. He looked like Justin from NSYNC. Yeah, that curly hair. He was like this older black stallion in the corner that wouldn't talk. Yeah, I think he
Starting point is 00:29:31 made out with one of our friends at one point while just hanging out with me. So, on that note, but yeah, you know, I do a lot on my own, and I think it's just kind of, you know, traveling on my own lately. I love it. You know, I like fly on my own lately I love it you know I like fly I've flown international myself I just
Starting point is 00:29:48 flew to Japan this summer I went to Europe last year by myself of course I've got friends out there I've been to New York but I bet you guys out there you're going to Cabo I am going to Cabo for your guys wedding I don't think anyone's flying out of Orange County
Starting point is 00:30:04 so I will be meeting you down there solo. Cabo is probably one of my most favorite places in the world. It's the best. We're going to have ginger margaritas and do a huge full of them. Yeah, it's real fun when I show up to Squid Row and they know my name. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Wait, you show up to Squid Row and they know your name? I don't know what that means.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Yeah. What does that mean? It's a good thing and a bad thing. The crazy thing is it's because they don't see someone like i don't see like me but down there doing that in cabo because it's definitely not a handicap accessible city down there but you know my mindset uh and that's probably why lord and michael invited me on here is like i i look at that and they're like how do you why do you like what and what's what what's your reasoning it's like why not like you know why should i tell myself i can't do some
Starting point is 00:30:52 things why should i hold myself back um you know why should i set restraints to how i live my life like you know you know the the possibilities are what i want and what i set my bar to and uh you know i i set my bar pretty high for myself you know what's funny is we were i was going to i want to talk about the charity that we're up here to to be involved with tomorrow and that you know that you want to bring awareness to so we're going to do that but so i'm going to jump a little bit ahead because you just hit on a note that I want to talk about. You know, on this show, we talk a lot about mental toughness. We talk about buckling down, making decision, keeping a strong mental attitude when life gets tough. How have you applied mental toughness to your life? Because you've been through some tough shit.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Yeah, it's everything. You know, I tell myself every day, the one guarantee I have when I wake up is that shit's going to be on my plate. um you know i'm always having to fight back to zero every morning i wake up um you know and some days are tougher than others you know there's always i have every reason not to get out of bed anymore every every morning like i you know there's there's reasons for me to just kind of just take it easy and not push myself but there's so many reasons for me to push myself at the same time. He pushes himself. He has a very normal life. I feel like you work nine to five, five days a week.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Ten to seven, sometimes. Ten to seven. Then you have your charity. I get off to a little lay. I love sleeping. I'm not a morning person. but uh yeah i i love staying busy and like yeah you know there's very much i i should take it more easy you know like but i have so many reasons not to i like i love pushing myself um and yeah there's there's definitely shit that's in my life
Starting point is 00:32:48 that you know fucks me up where i just like i don't want to do things but you know i'm so fortunate enough to have a career and friends and family and just drive and excitement and entertainment around me to push me to do that. People are like, oh, the next four weekends I'm out of time doing something. And they're like, why are you so busy? It's like because I love spending those four weekends because it pushes me to keep going, like keep doing stuff. So when you – like a lot of what you're saying is a lot of what I like to talk about. And I think what Lauren likes to talk about is like you focus a lot on the positivity in your life, even though, you know, at times there can be a lot of negative shit going on.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I don't think the whole time, actually the whole time I've known you, I mean, I've seen you get down at times, but I don't think I've ever seen you like, I don't want to say give up, but i've never seen you get so down that you're not actually being active and doing things and taking care of shit i don't think i've ever seen that dude life's too short to be down like i i can't i can't focus enough on like it there's no point of being sad like yeah it's a tough world out there and there's a lot of things that are hitting us every single day whether it's work whether it's health whether it's family friends boyfriend girlfriend whatever roommates i don't even know what car problems like there's always something that's gonna try to knock you out but like a scooter like a scooter dude yeah like i'm having car problems this week yeah scooter always definitely knocks you out i got that stupid cold that's going around this week.
Starting point is 00:34:25 And that's definitely something that just wants to keep you in bed all week. That's good that you're triple fisting if you had a cold. I am literally. I have a nice tea next to a Dos Equis Amber. Thanks, Michael. And a cold beer. Michael could have brought you a better beer, though. I mean, I didn't want to treat him any different.
Starting point is 00:34:43 So I just bought him the same shitty beer that I was hoping for like a pacifico yeah maybe cold delicious maybe like an ice bucket or something not it's listen you can't no one likes an amber there's no special treatment going around here you're gonna drink the same shit that i drink the reason that i wanted danny to come on this podcast is i am such a big believer in people that are doing things different so you know i know, I know I always say this, but society tells you, you go to high school, you go to college, and then you get out and you go get a job and it's nine to five and then you get married and blah, blah, blah, blah. I love when someone says, no, fuck this. I'm going to actually do it my way on my terms and
Starting point is 00:35:20 no one's going to change my mind on that. And that's my trajectory and I'm going to do what I got to do. And what I loved about talking to you in Palm Springs and where it resonated that we should bring you on the podcast is when you said, you know, people have told me I should be down or I should be doing this or I shouldn't be driving or I shouldn't be working this hard. But you've kind of said, fuck it. I'm going to actually live on my own terms and do life how I want to do life.
Starting point is 00:35:43 And you do you and I'll do me. There's definitely a lot of stigmas with individuals with disabilities. That's like, you know, I have to get carried with, you know, it's like I get automatically labeled, which is, you know, mind blowing to me. I like meet people and they're like, like, oh, you live on your own. Like, oh, you drive like you work. You can get on a plane by yourself. You're more self-sufficient than half of our friends. It's quite amazing. The only good time is when we go to places with huge lines or there's nightclubs,
Starting point is 00:36:17 and I just put you right in the front, and it's like Moses and the Red Sea. Everyone gets the fuck out of the way. It's the best. Michael and Lauren, I don't wait on lines. There's definitely those hidden tricks. There's some positives about being disabled. I find my ways of things that I can sneak into. For instance, I'm going to Drake and Future
Starting point is 00:36:37 at the Forum this weekend and I'm buying tickets probably in the 200 section. When I get there, I go to that table next to the side and they made me to that best handicapped seat in the house. It's worked for us for years. I literally, on this case, I actually jump on the back of the scooter and just ride on in.
Starting point is 00:36:55 I jump on the scooter all the time when we go to Vegas. I sit right on. My favorite thing ever to watch you do is when we're in Vegas and drunk girls come and sit on your lap on the scooter and you drive around on the scooter with them it is i love it i can't believe it trust me with that like sometimes not even there you get more friends than or more girls than all of michael's friends put together well that's not saying much but yeah yeah it's it's it's depressing for your friends
Starting point is 00:37:22 most of them are practically married these days But yeah I'm still single I'm enjoying it Are you ready for like a hottie? Single hotties? Yeah What do you mean? Are you girls gone wild? Are you going for a married girl or what? I have
Starting point is 00:37:38 Am I ready to commit? I don't know I have commitment issues That's another day coming on the podcast. Yeah, no, dating, I'm enjoying being single. Like there's years in the past for me where I wanted a relationship. I might want a relationship now. It's not what I'm looking for. I have other goals in mind that I'm looking for and striving for.
Starting point is 00:38:00 I can barely take care of myself and take care of everything I'm doing. I think you can take care of yourself pretty well i mean after what you just said you've inspired me yeah and date but dating dating is another beat like yeah of course i've you know i get work to deal with how to deal with family and all that stuff and then dating is another yeah michael michael you guys if you listen to 30 this is ath podcast, you know how much work dating is. I don't think there's a man out there that can handle a disabled or not. It's just, it's funny and it's getting through those stigmas. You know, some girls, you got dating apps these days.
Starting point is 00:38:38 You got just a bunch of things that are going on that, you know, I definitely am fortunate enough that I'm surrounded by beautiful girls, and they're awesome, and they've got big hearts, and I get to hang out with them, and we do fun things and be spontaneous. You do fun things. Do you Tinder? Do I Tinder? I am on Tinder. You're on Tinder.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Actually, I'm on this new thing called Raya, which is fucking awesome. I heard about it. I heard there's lots of celebs on it. I don't know how I got accepted to this thing, but somehow I did. John Mayer's on it. It's that same probably line show. I wouldn't know because I'm looking at women, Lauren, but yeah, beautiful girls. I heard there's
Starting point is 00:39:13 celebrities on there. It takes a long time. I actually wanted to go on the site and just apply just so I could snoop around, but then I figured you'd probably catch me. You can say we're just friends. I don't want you to go on there and see my profile, though. You wish. Yeah, Raya's awesome.
Starting point is 00:39:30 But yeah, dating apps are cool. So the main message that, and I don't want to cut you off, but I do. I'm so rude. I've never seen Rude Earth. The main message that I want to get across here is like,
Starting point is 00:39:42 you live an unnormal, but also very normal life. And I think when we were talking in Palm Springs, the whole idea was, were we talking in Palm Springs or were you asleep by 10 PM? When I was talking, when I was coherent, you were basically saying like,
Starting point is 00:39:59 you know, you're working now with your charity that we're up here for called life rolls on. And the whole, the whole premise behind, you know, bringing you on here and having this conversation is to reach not just you know people that want to get involved with charity but also to let other people in your situation
Starting point is 00:40:13 know that you can live a very normal life and to not put limitations on yourself and i think but it's up to you yeah but danny's honestly he's a living example of that i've seen it his whole life i mean as long as i've known him which you I think second grade counts pretty much my whole life. You guys have said that you met in second grade like 400 times. Everyone's got it. I think it's a really inspirational message, and I think that it's beneficial for people to hear it and understand it because we've known each other a long time.
Starting point is 00:40:39 We've done a lot of crazy things together, and the disability never really came into the equation like obviously there's hurdles that we have to deal with at times but we've done some pretty crazy shit together and lived a pretty normal life i mean yeah i i can say i've lived a pretty awesome life i've i've lived that to the fullest it's i don't at the fullest we went on swat together in high school if you guys don't know what swat is google it it's basically this party where we tell the parents that we're going for a good old ski trip and some hot cocoa and we all go and no one goes skiing and everyone just blacks out this is our high school all four years in a row danny went with me yeah didn't you
Starting point is 00:41:20 stay in my room at one point i think i definitely passed out on your bed a couple times. I know. In my bed with me. A bunch of drinking in high school. But, yeah, I definitely live life to the fullest. And it's, you know, touching upon what you guys are up here this weekend and me too. The Life Goes On charity. That's something I've been involved with the last eight years. And growing up i uh i didn't feel like i was alone i didn't really know anybody else with a disability like i wasn't
Starting point is 00:41:51 saying i'm sheltered i just my parents just raised me and i just did my thing like and uh it was me and my brother and uh to get on that like my brother was also diagnosed with the same muscular dystrophy of myself uh fsh and so it was kind of like him and I, like partner in crime. We kind of went through the trials and tribulations together. So I would like to say that if I didn't have him growing up, I would not have had the mindset I had because I just, you know, we kind of just, we understood that each other was going through it together. And like.
Starting point is 00:42:27 You could relate to each other. Yeah, he was the younger one. But the disease kind of hit him earlier and harder than myself. Just kind of weird like that, how some things work. So, you know, I'm supposed to be the older one and learn. He's supposed to learn from me versus I'm supposed to learn from him. And it was definitely, I was learning from him a lot of the times. And, like, he definitely showed me the ropes.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Definitely taught me to have the mindset I did have. Dude, honestly, Drew did not give a fuck. He was just like. He was positive. Oh, yeah. You guys are the lucky ones to know my brother growing up. Yeah, my brother was a boss, straight boss. And he just kind of killed it at life, and he had great friends.
Starting point is 00:43:13 And that kind of like him and I growing up was the way that kind of my mind sent to college. And then when I got into Life Goes On, it was like. You couldn't get off. No, yeah. When I got into Life Goes On, I was like, wow, there's so many more people like my brother and I. Did you get... Was Drew ever involved in Life Rolls On? He wasn't, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:43:34 So to clarify to you guys, yeah, my brother passed away about eight years ago, unfortunately. But, you know, it's another obstacle that we have to overcome in today's world. And I try to live his legacy every single day. You have? You know, I'm trying my hardest. It's big shoes to fill. Drew would have been pumped on Life Rolls On. He would have loved it.
Starting point is 00:43:56 So can you explain what Life Rolls On is? So Life Rolls On is, yeah, it's a charity started by a good friend of mine, Jesse Billard. He was a professional surfer and got injured, broke his neck while surfing. And again, he has great friends and great family, and they started this awesome charity called Life Goes On. It's been going on, don't quote me on this, I think it's like 15, 16 years now. And what they do is they have events, annual events, that they take adaptive individuals, so people with, like, spinal cord injury, amputees, muscular dystrophy,
Starting point is 00:44:35 all over the board, just people, individuals with disabilities. And they take them surfing. Do you have to be in a scooter, or can you be anywhere? No, there's some people walking. Because it's Life Rolls On, that's why I asked about the scooter. Because is that like... Well, Jesse's in a wheelchair, like myself, and so that's where it came from. But it's grown.
Starting point is 00:44:56 It's literally snowballed into anything these days, and it's so awesome. The majority of it is youth and young kids. So there's annual events throughout. Actually, the season just ended. The gala tomorrow night is the wrap-up of the year. We're going to the gala. It's in Santa Monica at Jonathan Beach Club. Come meet us.
Starting point is 00:45:15 If you guys want to go check it out, lifefallson.org. It's amazing. So I got to meet Jesse, and so it's fantastic. I found almost a second family. It's a bunch of people, old, young, who just see life kind of very similar to the way I see life. A lot like Drew. One of the coolest things I've seen in a long time was when I saw you surfing on a surfboard. Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:45:44 And, you know, it was really cool. It was all over social media. when I saw you surfing on a surfboard on the Life Goes On. And it was really cool. It was all over social media. We were talking about how social media has helped bring awareness to this charity. How much do you think it's impacting awareness for these charities? I mean, do you think they'd be as far along as they are without social media now? Or is that what really started blowing it up? No, with Live Well's on in general,
Starting point is 00:46:11 I think it's always been quite large. I think in the idea, the whole idea around just individuals with disabilities and having that positive mindset, social media definitely has had an impact. Do I think it could have more of an impact? Of course. I think it needs to get there. I always trying to like push it more and more uh it's just you know it's it's timing and luck and having someone you know you have lots of voices on social media that are pushing that positive independence you can do whatever you put your
Starting point is 00:46:42 mind to mindset on social media with people with disabilities. There's great advocates out there. Jesse is definitely, Bill Hauer is one of them. And you've got many, many more. But I think the time has come, and it's going to be very soon, where you're going to have influencers and people who have large audiences that should and will start speaking about individuals with disabilities across many types of diseases and disabilities that people have. Social media is powerful like that.
Starting point is 00:47:14 It's very powerful. It is. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat. I think that one of my biggest ideas, and I think I've talked to Lauren about this one time is, you know, what people don't see and what makes it real is like what one of us goes through on a daily basis, like just from getting out of bed to going to your job to socializing. You told me that it takes you an hour and a half. Takes me?
Starting point is 00:47:41 Yeah, it takes me a while. To get everything going in the morning which we just i mean i hop out of bed and i go you know grab a green juice and i can like leave we don't really everyone needs to think about that i mean that's crazy it takes you an hour and a half like that's gnarly yeah because i'm doing it on myself but i which is gnarly too but i love it like i love like i love your attitude that's the rareness or i and that's what finding people in life goes on it's finding you know i love seeing that obstacle and finding a way to overcome it like i love that challenge like it honestly makes me hungry like to get through it
Starting point is 00:48:20 more than anything um because again like i said there's shit on my plate every single morning i wake up and sometimes when the obstacle gets larger i get more hungry to beat it because i know i can and once i beat that one i know i can beat anything else that gets it gets set in front of me i mean if that doesn't inspire everyone i don't know what well no i know that's that's the right attitude that's what we talk about a lot. And I think you've probably inspired a lot of people on this show. Before we wrap it up and take you away and boot you off the show, is there anything else you want to let us know? You want to plug yourself?
Starting point is 00:48:57 You want to speak to the women out there? Yeah, tell us where they can find you on Tinder or your new dating site that's exclusive. Mariah. Well, my Instagram handle is at HeavyDK. My clothing brand is at Ezekiel Clothing. EzekielUSA.com if you want to check out the clothes. The hat's cute.
Starting point is 00:49:15 All we have is now. Yes. I love that. This one is actually sold out, but we're coming. I want that. It's coming in black, pink, and light denim. Which color do you think I want? I wonder which color
Starting point is 00:49:26 lauren wants uh you guys can all guess that i don't need to say it michael wants pink i want pink i know pink pink's hot pink's hot right now yeah i think it's hot pink shoot me a pink one michael you've been wearing a lot of pink yeah guys look cute in pink okay so everyone go follow danny check him out he hopefully'll be back on the podcast. Hopefully. He's very inspiring. And hopefully, I don't have to carry the fucking scooter tomorrow. No, well, I heard the elevators don't work, so you might be carrying it down the stairs.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Yes. I love it. Yes. So tomorrow, Life Rolls On. We're going to be out there surfing the waves. No, you're not, Michael. You don't know how to surf. Not surfing tomorrow. But hey, check out
Starting point is 00:50:06 our Life Goes On Talk Nations. Their Instagram, lifegoeson.org is the website. It's awesome. If you want to donate, go donate. If not, check out the local events and come support because it's I can tell you it in voice,
Starting point is 00:50:22 but you have to be there. I can't wait to see. All right. Well, before we go and leave Danny, I'm going to miss you. I want to take a minute to thank all of our great sponsors and all of the listeners for supporting the skinny confidential him and her podcast. You guys know you're what keeps the show growing and we really appreciate everything you bring to us. So now there's an easy quick way for you guys to show your love. Just use our Amazon link to do your online shopping. Speaking of Amazon, you guys know how much I love books and on-demand audio. Why not combine the two? Click
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Starting point is 00:51:12 I do. Thank you guys again for downloading, subscribing, and of course, supporting the show. We cannot tell you how much we appreciate it. It's been so fun. And remember to send in your questions to Twitter or Instagram using the hashtag AskHimAndHer.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Send us questions to our snaps, Lauren Everts and of course, Michael Bostic. Can we take call-ins next Friday? We might. I feel like we should. If you do want to do a call-in, email us at podcast at the skinnyconfidential.com and use the subject line call-in. Can they call in? I think so.
Starting point is 00:51:41 Maybe we'll do call-ins with Danny one episode and episode and get a couple girls that are maybe on Tinder. I want to do Collins with the bare naked cucumber. Oh, man. We could have Danny and the bare naked on. That'd be a nice little duo. We could call it the Tinder episodes. Raya versus Tinder. I feel like we should do that. I think Danny would love to get a Raya.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Oh, God, don't. He doesn't need any more. He has enough. He needs that. Between his Instagram and his Snapchat, he's good. Alright, guys. That's it. Say bye to need any more. He has enough. He needs that. Between his Instagram and his Snapchat, he's good. All right, guys. That's it. Say bye to Danny. Hope you enjoyed the show. Adios.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And we will see you next week. Adios. Bye. Thanks for listening to The Skinny Confidential, Him and Her, with Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic. Download new episodes every Tuesday at PodcastOne.com or subscribe now on the Podcast One app. Stay tuned for 60-second AP News headlines. AP Update, I'm Ed Donoghue. At the presidential debate, moderator Lester Holt pointed out Donald Trump supported the war in Iraq.
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