The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #36: Our Love Story -The Pre-Wedding Podcast
Episode Date: November 8, 2016Lauryn & Michael are drinking 'skinny margaritas' and podcasting from Cabo - celebrating their wedding week! From traveling the world, going into business with each other, the jaw surgery chapter, and... creating the 'Bare Naked Cucumber,' the two detail their unconventional history of LOVE together. They highlight meeting in 6th grade, going to see "Star Wars" for their first date, being known for making-out in movie theaters, Lauryn's dad catching Michael in his underwear at age thirteen, and Lauryn explains what Michael did to make her fall in-love with him! To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan. tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn’s latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you’ll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off
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Back in Mexico.
Back in Mexico.
Back in the saddle.
Back in the saddle. I wasn't going to drink today.
Show's back on track now that I'm back.
We can actually get going again.
The show took a dive there for a while without me. He likes
to think it took a dive and he's asked me
ten times if anyone was tweeting about
Jordan and my show.
I think it was like radio silence.
All I was like, where's Michael?
That's the best part of the show.
That's the best whole thing. Come on.
I know everybody out there. I missed
you. I hope you missed me.
I was out. I was taking care of business in Orlando, Florida.
Shout out to the home of Disney.
I don't think anyone really noticed.
I think everyone noticed.
Everyone's like, wow, the show was really missing some heart.
It was missing some soul.
No, it was missing some soul.
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So we're down here.
I just want to apologize in advance because if you're coming for value in this show, you're going to get some kind of vibe.
But I don't know if it's going to be the typical type of show.
We're down here.
We're down in Mexico.
We're drinking margaritas right now.
We're drinking margaritas with a pixie straw. The hotel that we're staying at, the one and only Palmia, had our favorite
bartender standing with a tray of skinny margaritas and pixie straws. And it was just so thoughtful
and amazing and on brand. Yeah. And to back up a little bit, we're not just down here running
around. We're down here finally, after years and years of trying and trying.
I finally locked you down.
We're down here to celebrate our wedding.
Finally.
And here's the thing.
We're going to really get into our history in this podcast.
So again, this is maybe not value that you can walk away with,
but hopefully you'll get a giggle out of it.
We've been engaged for four years.
So there's definitely...
It's not been that long.
Yes, it absolutely has, Michael Bostic. Four years. Time flies when flies when you're having fun. Yeah, it sure diddly does.
A lot of screaming fights, a lot of crazy girls, a lot of, uh, well, not a lot of crazy girls.
When I say that, I mean you, you've really turned up the crazy switch in the last month.
Yeah. When you're planning a wedding by yourself, the crazy switch goes out the roof.
She got so mad at me yesterday.
She's like, you haven't been planning the linens or the flowers or the dishes or this.
And I was like, yeah, of course.
Like, why would you ever like all of a sudden am I going to transform into a different person and like become a linen connoisseur and start becoming a flower expert?
You guys thought all the flowers for the wedding would be like $100.
Yeah.
Hey, listen.
Getting in the flower game is not a bad idea.
The markup on those things.
Listen, you get a couple guys out there.
He picks some weeds.
He grabs some things from Ecuador or wherever.
And then he brings them up here.
That's not what they do.
They don't pick some weeds from Ecuador.
Wherever they get them from.
I'm telling you, the markup on those, it's bigger than drugs.
Literally, I need consider like what we're
doing on saturday with your personality today listen count your blessings so what we kind of
wanted to do in this show is just tell you guys a little bit about our relationship and where it
started and how it began because it's kind of like an in-depth um long story really long really long it's a song that never fucking ends apparently
did you think when you when you laid eyes on my handsome face when you were 12 years old that
you'd be sitting here in mexico getting married podcasting no i wanted you to pass me the the
handball you were holding a handball the tetherball i was a tetherball expert um some like to think so so yeah lauren and i we've had a wild ride it's
definitely not the traditional or maybe it is maybe it's like going back to traditional
no i feel like we've had a very non-traditional um relationship because yeah we met when we were
12 but there's been a lot more to the story than just meeting, you know, when we
were 12 and like doing the whole dating in high school thing and then getting out and dating in
college. Our relationship has a lot of dynamic, a lot of layers. Um, and I think that's what makes
the best kind of marriage when you have a lot of different layers. I mean, I would be really bored
with just one dimension. Yeah, no, I agree. I love when I like say something profound and you just say, yeah, I agree.
No, I agree.
I mean, no, I did listen.
It's crazy though, like to think about all the things that we've done together now.
I mean, we've traveled the world together.
We've done business together.
We've been in a relationship together.
We've like, we've been-
Jaw surgery.
Jaw surgery.
That's a whole chapter.
We've seen life, you know, we have a nephew now.
We've seen death. We've seen, like, there's been a million things that we've gone through together.
We could write a whole fucking book or we could just do a podcast.
We could do a podcast.
We invented a character called the bare naked cucumber. Who's.
I feel like, okay. I trademarked and branded him, but you're taking credit,
which seems to be.
Oh, you can, you can have that one. You can have that one.
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So let's kind of get into how we met. I'll let you tell the premise of it. Okay.
So I'm in sixth grade. I'm doing my own thing. Playing 4-1. Yeah, I'm 4-1 at the time. Playing
handball, you know, holding hands on the playground. I had a girlfriend at the time. Shout out to Lauren. It was another Lauren. I don't know why. And in walks in this blonde girl. You were fully developed. I thought you were the teacher.
Did you really think I was a teacher? No, but I mean, my jaw dropped because I was huge. I was
used to looking at, you know, what women look like in sixth grade. Right. So I was just like,
you know, a little kid. And all of a sudden you walk in and you're fully developed. And I think I hit puberty right there on the spot.
Ew, you probably got a boner.
And no, but I didn't, you know, it's funny when you walked in, I didn't even think about you. I
was just like, okay, well, that's aggressive for sixth grade, but obviously I was attracted to you,
but I was just like, okay, that's like not happening. That's out of my league. I didn't,
I don't think I had the confidence I have now back then.
I thought I looked a little weird.
You know, I was 4'1".
I didn't really find my way.
Only had one girlfriend before.
You loved those striped shirts from Target's boys aisle.
And you pursued me.
I pursued you.
The second I saw him, I was like, he is so cute.
Like in a weird, like cute young way.
Cause he had that step cut that everyone had but it was
like parted in the middle you were the cutest 12 year old sometimes i like want to date you when
you were 12 like i have a weird creepy obsession with you when you were 12 so you want to date a
12 year old boy like i want my kid to look just like you when you were 12 if he's only so lucky
oh so anyways the confidence i dumped i dumped my yeah. So anyways, I dumped my then girlfriend Lauren.
A different Lauren.
Sorry, Lauren.
I dumped her right on the spot.
No, you didn't.
Oh, let me back up.
Someone said through the grapevine, hey, Lauren Everts, that fully developed, big-titted blonde girl.
She wants to date you.
I called up Lauren, the other Lauren, after.
And I said, hey, we're through.
And then I called you up, and we went on a date.
To Star Wars.
To Star Wars.
We were known for making out in movie theaters.
Yeah, we were known for making out.
We were getting frisky.
We were getting froggy.
We would make out literally the whole movie.
Yeah, the whole movie.
Some of the parents from the school would show up and sit in the back and watch us,
which, first of all, that's fucking creepy. Okay okay what were you doing back there watching us making out we're
little kids we're just trying to have a good time it's not like we're doing anything about making
out the parents would sit in the back and watch us and then tell our parents and i remember our
parents were cool though they were yeah i remember talking to my dad he's like what the hell is that
parent doing in the back watching you guys they literally were hanging like gargoyles off the
ceiling with magnifying glasses staring at us it was so weird that's a whole different podcast
though so there we were two young lovebirds it was like a story out of the notebook you know
you went away i went actually it was not i actually don't remember how the notebook went
so i just know that girls like that shit literally sick that you just okay it wasn't out of the
notebook but whatever it was right everyone
wants to know like why you know what the notebook is of course every guy knows what the notebook is
but i think i forgot the whole storyline so okay it wasn't like the notebook something just i didn't
remember i'm not i don't have alzheimer's and i'm not dead yet okay um and i'm not telling a story
to my great grandson is that isn't that how it goes michael let's get to so anyways we dated we
dated through sixth seventh eighth gradeth, 8th grade.
And I know people don't think it's fucking serious then.
Even Lauren didn't take it serious then.
People joke around, actually.
Oh, you dated in 6th and 7th and 8th grade.
People didn't take it seriously.
But I swear to God, and I'm going to get romantic here for a minute to win some brownie points.
I swear to God, I knew in 7 in seventh and eighth grade that i wanted to marry
lauren and if you go on my instagram and you scroll like a creep like that's a like like
hundreds of weeks back you'll see a black and white photo of lauren and i when we were 12 13
years old at the fair at the fair and i knew then that i was and i was sure of it and it's weird
it's weird because i don't know. Um, I would
never give like relationship advice or give marriage advice to anybody. And I, and I dealt
with a lot of my friends that are in relationships and ask me, it's, it's one of those weird things.
I swear to God, like when you know, you know, and I knew how come I didn't know because it took some
convincing, but I knew. And I, and I don't think, I don't think it's one of those things in a relationship where both people have to know.
I think one person has to know.
And if you can convince the other person that what you know is right, then that's all you need.
Our friend Steve would call that manipulative.
Listen, one reason is as good as another.
But it's true.
I knew.
You knew in sex.
I knew.
No, maybe not in sex.
But I knew like in seventh.
Because every girl I dated after that, and I'm sorry if anybody...
I don't think anybody listens that I dated.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
But I never took any other relationship outside of this one seriously.
And that's me being...
It's not because I didn't care I'm a bad guy.
It's just because I knew that I didn't want that.
I knew that I was looking for something else.
I think your fake engagement ring is cutting the circulation off to your brain, which is why you're getting so romantic right now.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
So we dated in 6th and 7th.
And then kind of in 7th grade, there's 8th graders in middle school.
So it's 7th and 8th graders. So in middle school. So it's seventh and eighth graders.
And there starts to be older guys.
You don't say.
And I was bossy in seventh grade, I would say.
Would you?
Yeah.
If you looked at our, like the me in seventh grade disgusts me.
That's not nice.
Like he was a whiny little like,
whoa,
is me a little bit too emotional,
a little bit like,
you know,
I went through this,
like I went through the whole,
like,
you know,
punk rock phase.
You were in the same sweater every single day.
I went through that whole deal and like got way too fucking emotional.
And like the me now would kick the shit out of me then.
Okay.
You were literally like,
but so anyways,
you went off rightly.
So,
because I was being an emotional little bitch probably and you she lauren met some older guys she went off broke
my heart my seventh grade heart threw me in the gutter wait wait wait before that though just for
the record so i don't sound like a complete cold-hearted bitch i made michael a scrapbook
in seventh grade that was all these pictures and
I saved all our movie stubs. And if you can imagine, we like to make out a lot. So there
was about 6 million movie stubs. I saved all of our pictures, pictures of our friends, and I put
it together in the scrapbook. And it's so funny when your mom pulls out the scrapbook cause she
still has it. Remind me that I have to get that thing out of the back page but when she pulls it out I did like a blog for you in seventh grade I put together like a blog
it was like writing and pictures but in a scrapbook and then at the end of the scrapbook
I proposed so are you claiming that you were blogging in two in like 1995 I was technically
blogging in 1995.
Technically.
But the point is,
is that I proposed to you with,
what's that thing that you like?
That should have been the red flag there when, you know,
most guys,
if they get a proposal from a girl,
like you proposed to me
when we were in eighth grade,
like it should have been like,
whoa, psycho.
But I was into it.
Yeah, I actually proposed to him at the end
and I said,
I wrote Michael Bostic and Lauren Everett
and it was like this beautiful piece of paper with a chapel on it.
But then what did you do?
And then the date had question mark on it.
But then what did you do?
I need to get that from your mom for down here.
Then you left me for the older guys.
You guys, he talks about this every day.
Okay.
So anyways, yeah, on and off.
Let's talk about your old story.
On and off.
You know, you left me.
Oh, we can back up a little bit.
So Lauren and I used to get pretty hot and heavy back then.
What does that mean, Michael?
You know, I was trying as best as I could.
I don't know if I knew what I was doing, but I was trying as best I could.
Oh, you forgot to tell them the story.
Yeah, so I was going to.
So one day, do you remember when I snuck over to your house?
I remember.
Crystal clear.
So I snuck over to your house.
I snuck over to Lauren's house when her dad wasn't there.
It was during school. It was during school.
It was during school.
And work.
So it was like 12.
No, it wasn't.
Yeah, it was like 1 in the afternoon.
So I creeped inside and I started trying to get down to business.
As I would, I was pretty...
Just so you guys can imagine this time, I had a Titanic Leonardo Kate Winslet poster on my ceiling.
Just so you can...
Do you remember that?
You do.
Yes.
You were jealous of Jack, I feel like.
No, I was Jack pretty much after you left me for the eighth graders.
I was left in the ocean freezing to death.
Okay, so he comes to my house in the middle of the afternoon when my dad wasn't there
and you wanted to get frisky.
I did want to get frisky.
I managed to get the bra off.
You got the bra off.
I got down to my underpants.
Ew, that was so creepy.
She denied me every way possible.
But I was trying.
Listen, if you could get an A for effort back then, I got an A++.
So anyways, denied, denied, denied.
I'm trying, trying, trying.
She's saying no.
No, no. That sounds a little rape, trying. She's saying no. No, no.
That sounds a little rapey, but you were saying no.
And then I heard the sound that only, like, that strikes fear into any young man's heart
was the sound of her dad's car pulling into the driveway.
So we're going to have Brad on the show someday to talk about it.
My dad wants to come on.
Yeah, he's got to come on.
So anyways, Brad, if you're listening, I know you love this story.
He tells it every day.
He tells it every day.
So I'm in my underpants.
I'm scrambling around.
I'm freaking out.
You guys were 13.
I'm 13.
There's only one way to get out of the house.
No, there's two ways.
One, you fly off the balcony and break both your legs and lay in the driveway.
You considered it.
Or two, you have to run down the stairs past the garage, past the dad.
That would have, no, which would have been the smartest for you?
So I'll get into that.
So I, so here's the thing.
I go and I hear your dad and I get in the closet and you decide to get, for some reason,
I'm like, okay, I'm safe in the closet.
Like I'm fine.
Like nobody's, nobody's going to think to look for me here.
You get in the closet with me, which I still to this day have no idea why you did that.
I wasn't thinking it through.
You don't say.
So,
it's one of those closets like out of like the movie Halloween
where you can like see through the little slits.
Like a horrible closet,
like from like 1970.
And I'm in there holding all my clothes.
I'm in my underpants.
I'm crouched down.
I'm four foot one.
I'm freaking the fuck out. You didn't need to I'm four foot one. I'm freaking the fuck out.
You didn't need to crouch at four foot one.
I look through the little blind and I see your little sister, Faye.
How old was she at the time?
She was probably like seven or eight.
Yeah, and Faye has a monocle attached to her when she was little.
And she's like an inspector gadget.
Oh, yeah.
So she's looking under the bed.
She thinks Lauren's playing hide and seek.
And I'm sitting there like, oh, my God.
So the dad comes home.
He knows Lauren's there because he can hear us banging around, and he knows she's there.
And just as I feared, he ripped the closet door open.
It flew off the hinges.
It flew off the hinges.
And he says, Lauren, Michael?
And grabbed my 13-year-old, 4'1", 100-pound body and flailed me out of the closet.
I've never been more scared in my life.
And screamed.
Screamed, yelled.
He threw me in the car.
No, he said,
Lauren, you're going to fucking boarding school.
Yeah, so Lauren's going to boarding school.
I think I'm going straight to hell.
I think I'm literally going to die.
So he throws me in his car.
I'm still in my underpants.
And he drops me down the street at the local mall in my underpants.
So I'm getting my clothes on.
I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
I'm fucked, I'm fucked. I call
my dad for fatherly advice. I tell him
everything that happened. And all I
can hear on the other end of the line is a huge
bellowing laugh.
Cackling. Cackling
with the words,
why didn't you jump off the balcony, idiot?
So there's two, it's just
funny how that works. It's like the girl's
parents were saying, you're going to boarding school, you're fucked're fucked you're done like you're in big trouble my dad said why
didn't you jump off the balcony he did and laughed i think he was actually kind of proud of me then
my parents threatened another school for me which that didn't work your parents called my parents
i'm going to do therapy talks yeah we were sneaking you got punished right like you had
you probably got grounded i went went home and played Mario Kart.
Yeah, Michael, I got grounded.
I took the fall on that one.
So after that.
I got a game of Mario Kart and a big case of blue balls.
Oh my God.
Well, after that whole sitch, we broke up.
I went for the older guy.
What did you do?
I rolled around.
With your blue balls?
No, at that time I was solving the case of my blue balls.
How so, Michael?
Shout out to all the case solvers that helped me along the way.
I appreciate it.
That's sick.
So I started dating this older guy.
All right, so we'll skip past that I started dating this older guy. All right.
So we'll skip past that.
She dated this older guy for a while.
Oh, my God.
I don't want to talk about that story.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm not that insecure.
Yeah, she was dating a guy.
I dated a few girls.
I dated one girl.
Then I dated another girl.
Is that what you call them?
Dating?
Yeah, dating.
Okay.
Dating.
And then we both went to college, went our separate ways.
Wait, you just skipped high school.
Yeah, because high school, we just dated around.
You can't do that to them.
You can't let me.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We did hook and on and off through high school do you want to
disclose that oh yeah i guess we could disclose that now i mean fuck we're getting married so
yeah we hooked up in high school every now and then and i feel like you i don't know it was like
indifferent there what do you think about high school okay so not my proudest moments but every time i would like if i was with somebody or not with somebody more than not with somebody which
i'm not this is what i've talked about in previous podcasts where i'm not my proudest moments but
i think i think people will maybe not forgive me but understand it now every time more would
come around i would do my best to try to convince her to come back to come to the side and not in
the pathetic way i don't't think, in high school.
It was more in a way like any time, like at this time, thank God.
The door was open.
Yeah, I was like, the door's open.
Come back when you want.
I never, like no matter what she was going through in her life or what she was doing,
closed that door on her.
I always wanted her to think like when she decided to grow like a brain in her head.
I thought I was like too cool for school, I feel like.
So I just waited for her to get like the stupid out of her head.
Oh my God.
And realize like what she was, what she was missing.
People are feeling bad for me.
No, they're not.
They're feeling good for you.
You're in fucking Cabo right now.
Enjoying a margarita, doing a podcast.
Okay.
Anyways.
So every time she would come back, I would say, welcome to it.
Come on back.
Welcome to it.
At that time, I actually. I don't know about that we we had a
couple limo buses you had a couple drinks in high school what's up with high school kids in limo
buses that probably doesn't happen anymore the reason kids like limo buses in high school
is because it's a way to get away from all the parents and you can drink and the limo driver
just kind of is quiet about it which is really dangerous if you think about it now.
But anyways, I dated a couple other guys in high school.
You dated a couple other girls and we went off to college and I went to San Diego State
and Michael went to U of A.
Shout out to the Thundercats.
Oh no, Wildcats.
I don't even know.
I forget.
The Thundercats.
You know what?
I was thinking of that show, the Thundercats. I was like the least school spirit guy ever. I don't think I ever went to one basketballundercats. Oh, no, Wildcats. I don't even know. I forget. The Thundercats? You know what? I was thinking of that show, The Thundercats.
I was like the least school spirit guy ever.
I don't think I ever went to one basketball or football game.
You were the warden in your fraternity.
So let's just say.
I was SAE.
Yeah, because you know why?
The warden got the best benefits.
I was basically running part of a business before I was even in a business.
I showed up.
I think I was the youngest.
I know this like strats are kind of douchey, but I showed up and somehow my sophomore year
got elected to a high position.
And I had all these pledges under me and I'd have them running around.
Anybody that went to U of A with me knows.
And so like it was great because if they were ever late, go get beer.
If they were ever this, go get beer.
I remember I would lay in my room and have them bring up a lawn chair and carry me down the stairs like King Tide every day.
That's a little much.
It sounds like you manipulated the fraternity. I manipulated i had it running like a business right yeah okay
well that's great and then we got weston who works with me he got the house manager so then we got
all like the house funds to buy the tools and all this art of word the fraternity yeah i was in
charge of like the older guys it was weird i don't know i always laughed to myself at night i was like
why would they why would they ever do that but But anyways, that's a side. So yeah,
U of A, I went to U of A, just took it easy out there, you know?
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of my friends from high school and i was a waitress you know what this reminds me of uncle remus's
story time cool it's a story time. It's a different format.
I like it though.
It's a different format.
Bear with us guys.
We're, you know.
We're in Cabo.
We're getting married.
What can you do?
We're having a margarita.
So Michael comes back from college
and he comes into the restaurant
that I'm waitressing at.
Now, this is my dad's restaurant at the time
and I think I was 19 and I'm waitressing
and we had to wear the ugliest outfits.
Do you remember the outfit or no?
No. It was horrendous. It was a brown maxi skirt with a baggy black shirt and a huge headband.
It was like horrendous. So I find you pretty in whatever you wear. Oh, thanks, honey. I'm racking up the points.
So I'm waiting on Michael now.
And I really didn't,
I didn't care to wait on you.
I was like, you know,
this is what I'm doing.
I'm going to school.
I'm waitressing.
And somehow your friend convinces me that I need a fake ID
and I needed to meet him later.
My friend was selling fake IDs?
Yeah, this is Mikey.
Sounds like some scheme I'd be involved in.
How do you not remember this?
Oh, I do remember this now.
Okay, yeah.
So you guys go to another restaurant
and I meet you for the fake ID.
How do you not remember this?
Oh, I didn't.
No, you didn't meet me.
You were meeting him.
I was meeting him.
I was like kind of on a date.
Michael was on a date.
So I went and met my friend to get my fake ID
when I was 19 or maybe it was 20.
And Michael was there. And you guys, I had braids in my hair with no makeup and my brown maxi skirt with my baggy black shirt and a huge headband.
And I was just going to grab the ID and go home.
Didn't happen.
Well, yeah.
So I was on a date.
And at the time I was like just running around having a good time doing my own thing.
Wasn't thinking about Lauren.
And then you showed up and I think I left the date and I went with you.
You not only left the date, you left the date in front of the date.
So the date...
I was... I'm so like...
You owe a lot of people apologies.
I owe a lot of...
You need a carrier pigeon to go around and send notes to everyone that you owe an apology to.
I was the worst.
Honestly, I was the worst.
I was ruthless.
Yeah, you were bad.
You know what, though?
I probably...
Like, here's my thing with guys.
No, take accountability.
No, no, no.
I am taking accountability.
I was bad.
But here's the thing with guys.
I think more guys should be like that and more girls.
Like, if it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen.
And, like, don't drag somebody along.
At least I never dragged anybody. I didn't drag too many people all right let's just move
on if you were a car you had 20 cans hanging off your car let's just move along okay so anyways i
was in a relationship at this point with a surfer that was super chill and um go with the flow kind
of guy so i pick up my id and michael and i drinking a little bit, but we're with a group
of people and somehow he ends up at my house sleeping on my couch.
I picked up a couple of moves between.
No, but you didn't get that many moves because I woke up in my bed and you woke up on the
couch.
Well, now that we're getting married, I can be honest.
Before you had your jaw surgery, you snored like a fucking chainsaw.
Yeah.
I had a lot going on before my jaw surgery.
And I was-
No.
How loud?
Tell everyone how loud.
No, I'm not kidding.
Like a chainsaw.
Do an example.
Just for everyone.
Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
No, I'll do an example.
Should I do an example?
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like that.
Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre coming out of the woods about to kill you.
I don't understand why you were turned on with my brown skirt and my snore.
Well, the snore was a little much, which is hence why you found me on the couch.
But yeah, I know then, like, you know, obviously one thing led to another.
I'm kind of glazing ahead now.
No, you can't do that to people.
You have to give them the story.
So after that, I was like, okay, this is just like one night you slept on my couch.
Bye.
So my friend invites me to Vegas for her birthday.
And it was a huge limo bus of us all going to Vegas now just so you guys can understand Michael and I were always in the same group in high school so it was it was like he was in the guy group and
I was in the girl group so this group that was going for a birthday was was the guy and girl
group and I didn't want to go because I was trying to reconcile with the guy I was dating, the server.
So I was like on the fence.
So Michael sends me this text when I'm at work in my brown skirt.
And basically it was like this paragraph text saying like, listen, like I know you don't want to go to Vegas.
But like come to Vegas because I promise it'll be fun.
Do you remember that?
That sounds like three sentences.
No, it was long.
It was a long paragraph.
Don't try to get out of it.
Anyways. No. I'm very smooth It was a long paragraph. Don't try to get out of it. Anyways.
No.
I'm very smooth.
You were smooth.
And it worked.
So then the next thing I know, I'm on a limo bus to Vegas with all my friends and guy friends from high school.
And I'm dancing in a tiara on a bar.
And the next thing I know, I wake up to Michael Bostic with a tiara on my head and a little champagne next to me. So, um, after that we kind of just stayed in Vegas
and, and, you know, had fun. We stayed in Vegas and had a lot of fun and I tricked her into
falling back in love with me. I think one reason is as good as another. I swear to God, like people
like, you know, like I was saying the other day, like everything works.
You just got to like test,
test,
test.
And I'm going to do,
I'm going to do a little business thing here.
Like,
honestly,
like I really applied how I am and everything in my life to how I am in this
relationship,
which,
and when I was chasing,
it was like,
honestly,
like patience and persistence and like not taking no and just like going and
going and like the belief that you can
do something. And I know that sounds weird. Cause you're like, like, it sounds weird because I'm
being applied to a relationship, but like it worked. Right. And I think way too many people
give up way too easily when it comes to relationships. You don't want to be that like
creepy person that's forcing your will on someone. Like there's a lot of time there between seventh or eighth grade where, you know, and when we started dating again, which is like,
what in our twenties, right? So like say eight years, but for eight years, I'm not creepy. I'm
not pushing myself. And like girls and guys should listen to this. If somebody is not receptive,
which you weren't at the time, don't push yourself on them. Don't tell them that they
have to be with you.
Don't force yourself. Like, honestly, if it's, if it's one of those things that's meant to be,
and if it's like, it's going to be, and if it's not, then stop wasting your time and stop stressing
over it. But, and this is like to get a little deep and to have a little bit of relationship
advice. I see so many people that just want something to happen right now. And they want
to force their will and their feelings on somebody else. And the reason I think that it worked for me in this situation with you, and you could
disagree with me if you want to tell me why I never forced that on you. I just did things to
try to convince you in a, in a way that it was your decision and not mine. Okay. But here's what
you really did that convinced me and anyone should take notes. The real thing he did that convinced me to fall in love with him was when I was at work in my brown skirt and you would come stay at my house.
And what did you do?
Oh, this is the number one thing.
This is the number one thing.
For guys that are listening.
This convinced me I was done after this.
I got the dog, Pixie, who is a total bitch to me when she first met me.
Like bit his legs
hated him hated me i got her to fall in love with me and if anybody anybody knows now like pixie
is like my appendage she won't leave my side so pixie would bite his face off every time she saw
him and then i started to notice as i came home that each time i would come home she was laying
closer to him closer to him closer to him pixie like me. It takes her a while to wrap her head around someone.
She needs to trust them.
It takes a good couple months.
This just reminded me too.
You know what?
It's funny because I graduated college early.
A lot of people don't know that.
I graduated in three and a half years.
And I swear to God, it's not because I'm some brainiac.
I'm like, honestly, a C, D, B student.
And I was fine to stay out in Arizona and fuck off. But when I started coming
back and visiting you, I wanted to get out of school so bad that I figured out a way to manipulate
this system. I think honestly, like if any of my counselors listening, I took like, I got like fake
intern credits. I did like work experience credits. I got people to take my classes for me. I got
people to write my papers for me. I didn't learn shit that last year. I just bailed out just to be with you. If you're
in school, don't listen to Michael. Okay. So he would throw the ball for Pixie every single day
and slowly, but surely she would come closer to him. So one night I came home this, I would say
this is like four months into us dating kind of honestly, though, if you are listening to Michael,
the person that figures out to do what I did
and get out of there like that,
that's the person I want working for me.
Not the person that's just going to
duck their head down and go through it.
So Michael's accepting job applications.
I'm accepting people
that are creative and clever.
Okay, but you need to like explain
how you manipulated the chihuahua
because chihuahuas are very hard
to manipulate as you know.
Well, it's just like, you know,
Kind of like a woman.
Kind of like a woman.
Pixie's like kind of like me.
You kind of throw the ball out there. The old ball. The old ball. See what, she doesn't like, you know... Kind of like a woman. Kind of like a woman. Pixie's kind of like me. You kind of throw the ball out there.
The old ball.
The old ball.
See what...
She doesn't like it at first.
Throw a couple kernels at her.
Maybe she scratches at it and barks and bites and bitches.
But then, like, over time, you know, maybe you...
I fed her a little bit.
What does your dad say about cats and women?
Well, cats...
No, listen.
My dad told me a long time ago, he said,
if you want to figure out a woman, get a cat and get the cat to like you.
Yeah, you did that with Fixie.
So then I started to kind of like him, I guess, for a month.
Yeah.
After about eight years, she started to like me again.
So we just kind of dated.
He was at school.
I was at school.
One thing I would say to any girls out there is what I've always done in a relationship is I've always done my own thing.
I've never put my life into a man. And I think that I've seen that example through my dad. My
dad was single for a while and I saw him date a lot of women and they would be so clingy to him.
And so kind of, I don't want to say the word desperate, but it was desperate. And they made
their whole entire existence in their life and their job about my dad. So when I left the house, I really utilize that as an example
to just have my own thing, be in my own lane. Even if I, you know, I'm just waitressing,
not that there's anything wrong with waitressing. It's like you just focus your energy towards what
you're doing. It doesn't have to be big, huge, grand. You just, you have your own life.
And I think that that makes for a good relationship. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,
I think where I've failed in the past, regardless of if, you know, in relationships is I need somebody that is doing something outside of me, right? Like I'm not one of those. And listen,
not every guy is the same. Not every
girl's the same. Some guys and girls really want to be needed and really need that validation and
really need like people to make everything about them. And I, and I think, you know, you do you,
that's fine. I'm not going to pass judgment on that. But for me, like, I actually don't want a
girl that's so into what I'm doing all the time. Right. Like Lauren gets a little frustrated
sometimes because I think
I go to the extremes of that.
Like I'll go to Orlando for work
and I'll go there for four days
and I'm working
and I don't need to be
in constant communication.
I don't either.
But when you were a week away
from the wedding,
you got to send me a text
to ask how I'm doing
or I'm going to cut you
when you're sleeping.
Well, that's a lesson learned.
But no.
And so I think,
but, but I,
and I think if you don't have
something going on and you, and you did it, you would, you know, maybe be a little bit more need, and so I think, and I think if you don't have something going on and you would
maybe be a little bit more needy.
So I think it's important to have something outside of the person you're with.
It doesn't have to be a job.
It can be a hobby.
It could be anything.
Remember my grandma gave us advice.
She said.
You could be the president of the fucking knitting club.
I don't care.
The guy needs to have his own thing.
The girl needs to have her own thing.
And then you need to have something together.
Yeah. So what do we have together? We have a lot of things together twirl was reading podcasting podcasting um going crazy going crazy there's a lot of different things
traveling we travel a lot travel yeah outside and inside you gotta have both we like to play
too we like to ride bikes we like i mean we like to do like um i beat you in tennis every second yep um he thinks he beats me but he doesn't you never
beat me in tennis remember when you went skiing and you thought you were gonna beat me at skiing
and you went down the greens the whole time okay well i had just had jaw surgery so i was a little
apprehensive about going down a double black well we're going in january so we'll see now because
the jaw surgery's been over a year and a half. Okay, we'll see.
Okay, I think I might snowboard.
Okay, Sonny Bono.
That's so fucked up.
Was that fucked up?
Okay, so where were we?
We dated.
So Michael.
I won her back.
You won me back.
I won you back.
Michael moved back.
He moved into his parents' house.
You got rid of all those other jokers.
Got rid of the jokers.
Sorry, jokers, if you're listening. I actually the some of the jokers so sorry it's not nice
you're rude your theme is rude today you chose right congratulations like you know if it was
like we got it no it's like if you you know that remember that game show where you pick behind
door number one two and three we got it whichever door i was behind and you hit the jackpot
congratulations you won the grand prize well whatever so anyways i convinced her
that you moved back in with your parents and i think that's a whole story in itself so yeah i
came back from school and i was actually kind of like doing my own side hustles back then i was
remodeling a house oh hold on we gotta answer that i think i think it's our tequila and almonds
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no i'm gonna take my shot but i can't do it on this podcast or i'm gonna be putting my head in
the table no you aren't you had one so where were we were doing side hustles we were doing this
um what are we talking about i don't know but you're doing a shot of tequila.
I think everyone would want us to have a shot of tequila because we're celebrating our wedding.
Yeah, we are.
So have a spicy one.
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Yeah, so we're going to take you guys along on Snapchat.
My Snapchat handle is at Lauren Everett.
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SKINNY. Anyways, we were when you were living at your parents' house.
Yeah, so I got back from school, was independent man kind of living in arizona doing my own thing
and i had to come back and live in my parents house and at the time then a lot of people don't
know my background um i just got my ass kicked doing a residential remodel out in tucson shout
out to colonia street i was out there by Cactus Moon.
I don't know if any of you people know about that in Tucson. And I came back and was working
on a commercial medical building, realized I hate doing build outs, or at least I hated it at the
time. I think I might actually like it now. That's about the time me and my dad, we had the idea to
do like kind of like a side business for a small company called JetBetter,
which we hope will be a small company, which is now one of our biggest companies,
which is why I was in Orlando last week.
It's funny because a lot of people didn't see a lot of that struggle.
Obviously, social media wasn't as prominent back then.
I mean, when Facebook first came out, I think you could only use it if you were in college.
Did you use it in college? No. I used it like towards the end. I was more of a MySpace. Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. Not surprised though. So yeah, we did all that.
And then I came back primarily to be with Lauren, who knows where my life would be. If you weren't
here, I'd probably be in the gutter at Cactus Moon. Yeah, the gutter at Cactus Moon.
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I actually...
Short story about Cactus Moon.
I actually saw a guy get knocked out and run over by a truck.
This is not about our relationship, and I'm getting married on Saturday,
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All the T-Lokes out there know what I'm talking about.
Shout out to the Tucson Lokes.
So Michael came back.
He was living at home.
I was living at home.
I was living with a couple of psycho roommates at the time.
One had scabies.
One was addicted to fentanyl patches.
And the other one had this thing where I wasn't allowed to touch her drawer.
That's a whole different podcast.
But I totally did the whole roommate thing.
I was living paycheck to paycheck. I think was making like 800 a month paying for school just really bored and uninspired you guys know that story and michael and i would just hang out like you
i feel like you just come over i come over to your house we had pixie pretty mellow yep i was
building jetbed you were i... I was waitressing.
Waitressing.
And then I got a job as a bartender, which was right next to your parents' house, which
was convenient.
And right when I got the job, Michael decided to move downtown, which was 45 minutes away.
See, I had to give it to her because...
That sounds so perverted.
No, I mean, I had to punish you a little bit because you made me wait eight years.
So I was like, you know what?
Now I'm going to... You know, I started doing, I started doing a
little better. Started doing a little bit of marketing, started, you know, selling some beds,
started peacocking, started doing a little investing and I got a place downtown and I
made it hard on you. But here's the thing, you guys, the place needed so much help.
We call it the brown place. We call it the brown crest because he didn't know how to
decorate. So he moved into the brown crest. You had bad taste. Yeah. Just let's admit it.
And then we partied downtown. We kind of went through the party stage, go out, have fun.
And then we both started getting real serious about our businesses.
Yeah. That's around the time. I've always been an ambitious person.
I'm running around.
I'm seeing people making it.
I met a lot of really interesting people down there.
Some good, some bad, some great, some not so great.
I just kicked it up a notch.
Really wanted to like start putting myself out there and making a name for myself.
And that's around the time Lauren started doing her blog as well.
You took me out to Morton's one night and we were having oysters and champagne.
And I was like, I really want to do this idea that I have about the Spinning Confidential.
And he said...
No, no, you didn't just take me one time.
You took me 50 times to 50 restaurants.
It was the 80th time, but we were in Morton's and you said over oysters, pull the trigger.
Yeah, I said the same thing I say now.
I said, launch, who say now. I said launch.
Who cares?
Get it out there.
Do it quick.
See what people say.
Listen, there's so many people – and then we'll get a little bit of business now to get outside of this.
Here he goes.
He can't help himself.
There's so many people out there that will sit there and they'll constantly – and you know who you are.
You'll give yourself an excuse to not do something because something can go wrong or something might not
be right or it's too early or it's too late or there's too much competition or there's too little
competition whatever the hell it is if there's so it's so easy to give an excuse about why not to do
something and everyone can win too anyone can win it doesn't just because someone's doing something
really great doesn't mean you can't come into the market and do it better or just as good. No. And here's the thing. I promise. Let's,
let's say you do something. You completely fucking bite the dust and fail. You're going to learn so
much so that the next thing you do, you have a better chance of doing that. Well, um, this
constant fear of being scared to pull the trigger and, and, and not take the plunge and not do the
jump is like, it's holding everybody back. And I'm not saying everybody that, that, that means
everybody needs to start their own business.
This could be applied to anything.
If you're thinking about doing something,
just fucking do it.
So just like you did in our relationship,
just do it.
Just manipulate the dog.
It might take a long time.
It might take eight years.
It might fail for a long time.
Might have to deal with some fucking joker older guys.
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So he proposed.
So I proposed.
But when he proposed at this point, I had saved enough money to move out on my own.
I had the skinny confidential.
This was two years in.
I had started making money with the skinny confidential.
And I was also still bartending and teaching Pure Bar.
And I came home one night looking like a full-on homeless person.
I had rats in my hair.
My nails were chipped.
You really could have waited.
But let's back up a little bit.
More presentable.
Even after all that persistence and all that time, I'm a practical person.
And I still took my sweet time to propose.
Yeah, we took our time.
And here's the thing that I would say when Michael and I were dating, so many people
would say, Oh, when is he going to propose?
And that would make me upset because Michael and I together had a very team-like discussion
of when it was right for us.
And I didn't feel like we needed to share it with everyone.
We just had like a game plan.
And so when people would infringe on that and asked that question, it was really like, it was kind of like
coming into our privacy. So if you're out there and people are putting pressure on you to get
engaged, just like, do you, or like, and this, honestly, this is primarily for women. Honestly,
it is, um, not sexist or anything, but it's women that push this shit a lot.
If you're one of those women that's in a relationship and you're getting shit from your friends about when a guy is going to propose or when he's going to do this or when he's going to get serious, honestly, the only person that you should be taking counsel from is him or her and yourself.
Really, other people's opinions are irrelevant. I don know like when it became like i don't know
what what happened where society decides like what the timeline is on something like this
but i remember when we when we were going through this you would give me so much shit because people
say things or girls say things and i'd always think to myself like what's wrong with these
women that they're passing judgment on our relationship yeah i don't feel like i ever
pressured you i but it was really
annoying when people would say things, it was like, mind your own business. Listen, we're not
making a choice to go down to the baseball game. No. And like, we're making a choice to spend a
fucking life together. When we got engaged, we just stayed engaged for four years. Yeah. And
that's another thing. When you get engaged, you don't necessarily, you don't have to jump right
into the wedding. How fun is it to be engaged?'m gonna miss being engaged just to let you guys know i see a lot of women get engaged and they get married
six months later being engaged is so fucking cool like be engaged the guy likes you we get it
be engaged you can live separately do your own thing you can live together you, it's such a cool period. No one's asking you questions about kids. I loved
being engaged. Yeah. Did you? Yeah. I think, you know, listen, I don't believe in marrying
for love, right? Like that's going to piss a lot of people off. I think that everyone's,
what do you mean? Obviously I love Lauren. That's, that's a big thing. I think you can
really, really be in love with somebody and just like completely be incompatible. We're not compatible, right? Like you have to
figure out, yeah, maybe you love this person. Maybe you really want to be with them, but can
you be with them? Are you compatible? Do you guys have the same interests? Do you have the same life
goals? Do you have the same vibe? Do you have this vision? Do you want to do the same things? Love is not enough in 2016. People weren't bred to get in or people weren't,
they haven't evolved over time to just be in a loving relationship. I mean,
you're either compatible and you have the same goals and the same mission. You want to do the
same things or you're not. And if you're not, there's nothing wrong with that. And you shouldn't
feel pressure. You could still love somebody. So proposed so i proposed how did you propose don't give too much away so everything lauren does is so on social
media that i wanted i wanted when i proposed to you to be not social media i would have killed
you if you proposed on social media isn't that weird yeah i wouldn't have liked that i'm not
gonna like have one of my friends hiding in the bushes like with a camera to to pop out when I get down on one knee down at the beachfront.
No, I did not like that.
I didn't like that.
So I snuck into her house when you weren't there and arranged it with some friends.
And we're going to do a whole podcast on this, so don't give too much away.
And I got all of her favorite things.
I got all your favorite things.
You had bossa nova playing.
Bossa nova.
I had hot Cheetos.
You were looking a couple of your recipes so hot i've never seen you look hotter i i think you were i think you
were looking at the ring and you were you were i could have worn a trash bag on my head the ring
was great but i was looking at you you were looking handsome i'm giving you a compliment
thank you so we got engaged we'll do a podcast on that. And I
continued to live in my own house for another year and I loved it. I loved living. We were
engaged and not even living together. We didn't live together for a year and a half. So he lived,
he lived downtown and I lived in Del Mar and I absolutely loved living on my own. I would
recommend it to every girl out there. You really find your style and your voice and your jive.
Living alone is one of the best things hands down i've ever done for myself i feel like it totally helped me establish
my independence and your independence living alone yeah um and when we moved in together
this is another tip and i say this a lot make sure you don't move into his house or he doesn't move
into your we've talked about this in the past i had a beautiful place he had the most beautiful
place you guys looked over the park in san diego was at the top floor was like amazing or he doesn't move into your house. We've talked about this in the past. I had a beautiful place. He had the most beautiful place.
You guys...
Looked over the park in San Diego,
was at the top floor,
was like...
Didn't want to move in.
Amazing space.
Don't care.
She made me leave the place.
I would have moved into a shack over your place.
Because here's the thing.
I miss that place.
If I moved into your place,
you would have been like,
can you please pick up your towel off my floor?
So now it's really great.
We have a living room we can't sit in
because it's all white furniture.
Now we have a bright, light place that's perfect for blogging.
And he's not allowed to sit on the couch.
But we can't have everything, can we?
No, we sure can't.
We sure can't.
Before we just continue the end of the story, can we just do a shot with an almond?
Come on.
Do a cheers to our wedding.
I don't need the almond.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Why don't you want the almond?
Because I'm not a little girl.
Tell them about the Palmia almond.
I take it down.
It's a spicy almond.
It's a spicy almond.
We're getting off track.
We're starting to get
a little loose here.
So I want to keep
the show on track.
I'm hopefully
that the show
I breathe life back
in the show now.
Can you feel the energy?
When Jordan and I
were talking it was chill. It was chill vibes little too chill people were like okay he's panicked
per usual okay anyways to wrap up this story we ended up moving in together into a new place
and um i guess what we're trying to get out of this podcast or trying to give you guys is that
take it slow it doesn't have to be rushed. We were together forever. We've known each other since we were 12.
Nothing is perfect.
We work at our relationship every single day.
On the flight down here, I literally thought I was sitting next to the devil.
I am the devil.
I was scared for my life.
Good.
I think you're just pre-wedding jitters.
No, that's how I'm going to be.
No, but Lauren's right.
Listen, honestly, this is what we've been saying for a very long time.
A relationship is like a business in some way you have to water it every single day everything is like a business in some way really i'm not kidding you're managing relationships
manipulating chihuahuas i don't like the word manipulation but yeah i didn't like i didn't
manipulate the 12th but no i mean nothing you when you rush into something and i've been and I've definitely been guilty of this in the past, you hurt yourself.
You get into some trouble.
You're going to encounter things that you weren't expecting.
When you take your time, go slow, and this isn't anything, your business, your relationship, your friendships, you have time to figure things out.
You have time to make calculated decisions.
You have time to decide.
Yeah, wrap your head around.
You have time to decide if this is the right fit for everybody.
And so now we're going to walk down the aisle on Saturday and I'm going to speak for myself,
not you. I'm going to walk down the aisle knowing exactly who I'm marrying, exactly who I'm taking
on this life journey, whether it's pros, cons, I know exactly what I'm getting. So my advice would be to just take your time.
There's no rush.
And you don't have to be in a relationship.
You can be single and be happy too.
On that note.
You can be completely single and be happy.
Okay.
Well, we told a big chunk of our relationship story.
We are going to have some popcorn souffle, maybe a little ceviche, and we are off.
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We will be snapping away besides the ceremony.
We're going to keep it cash then.
We have a really fun idea for the wedding podcast.
We're going to bring in a bunch of our friends to pop up, have a drink.
Yeah, if they're not too drunk.
Yeah, if they're not too drunk.
So, yeah, thanks for bearing along in this episode.
I know it's a little bit off the normal format.
We're down here.
We're in Cabo.
And honestly, we just said fuck it this time.
And we just want to have a good time.
I love a little flair.
Tell our story and, you know.
Get loose.
Get loose.
All right, you guys.
Thank you so much for listening.
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