The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #53: Erica Stolman aka Fashionlush -Phobias, Anxiety and the Business of Blogging

Episode Date: March 7, 2017

Erica Stolman aka Fashionlush (@fashionlush) joins Lauryn & Michael to chat about phobias and anxiety attacks, how they became friends in the 7th grade, the process of blogging, how patience & discipline are key factors for a blogger, what motivated her post "Social Media Killed My Confidence," and Erica & Lauryn explain what their co-created website "Blog-Doo" is all about. To Learn more about Erica's brand click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn’s latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you’ll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

Ah ha. Oh, you want me to start the show? Yeah, I do. All right, well, here we are back again. I had to start this one. I thought you were going, so I was waiting for you. Can you get a little more creative with your intro? That's the intro we're going with today.

You know what you do when you podcast that's a little annoying? You do a slight accent that you don't have. It's kind of like a Texas, like just a small... It's been living inside me. It's just, it comes out when I can be my true self, and that's where I shine the most on this podcast. Okay, but you were born in San Diego, so I'm just confused at where this little... Not at heart.

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Accent, have her. All right. Chihuahua whisperer, always. We just took Pixie to water training the other day. Pixie is doing water training for her knees. She has bad knees. So what they recommended is that we, instead of doing surgery, we put her in this water booth where she walks on a little treadmill. And we're really proud of her because she went

from five minutes to seven minutes. Yep. She went full seven. I don't know where, how this has become my life, taking chihuahuas to water training, but here we are. You love it. Yeah. I mean, I like, I love the dog. I don't know about the water training and the cost of water training. We're spooning all night. Let me tell you something. You want to make some good money, get one of these water training boots, put a dog in there for five or seven minutes. This is like, I don't know, this guy's making like $100 for five minutes.

Yeah, it's a pretty good thing, but it really does work. Like, it actually works. She's really tired the next day. And I recommend it. Taylor, I feel like that's kind of like a creepy job that you would have. A dog water trainer. I could see him doing that would actually be a little bit less creepy than his current job, which is following us around like a ghost with a camera. He has a lot of creepy jobs. The only thing creepier was how he still hasn't talked about his date with annabelle because he's holding off he's trying to tease it he said all right you guys as always thank you for subscribing

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What do you think about me? Just kidding. Okay, guys, today we have a very special guest, a big blogger who also happens to be my best friend, Erica Stolman of the blog Fashion Lish. Her Instagram aesthetic is so perfect, it's sickening, and her style is to die for. She's definitely one of the most talented graphic designers I know, and she's also my partner in our blog design company, Blogdo. Welcome to the show.

Wow. Do you have to do that every time? Can we just be normal? That was good. That was a really good intro. Thank you. I didn't know you thought such lovely things about me. I just typed it out two seconds before. So nice of you.

Lauren spelled aesthetic as aseptic. That's shocking because she has really good grammar. Most of the time. Not the best spelling. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. We got your mom here. Linda.

My KJIT. Your momager. No, she's my KJIT. What is that? Kris Jenner in training. Oh my god. You need to trademark that. Get shirts on that.

Linda is one of my favorites. We had a blast down at the wedding. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We had a big blast at the wedding. She sell, like, we walk in, and the parking structure, she's like, you got to check out Erica's blog. It's underscore fashionlish underscore.

I said, Mom, we're kind of in a rush here. I don't know if the parking attendant's really interested. That's good. I mean, listen, my dad, you should see. He'll tell anyone. Aw, get her. You've got to have like a hype man or woman. Yeah, she's my hype woman.

You should do that for me, Michael. What do you think I'm doing here? Right? I was going to say. Okay, so we are at Podcast One. We're in LA. Erica and her mom drove up. We just went to look at a couple spring trends for 2017.

And now we are stuck with the task of trying to open wine without a wine opener, which I don't think is going to happen. Yeah, I thought you would have one. I don't know why. I thought you carried one in your purse. I'll start. Okay, with that, we're going to get in the first question and we're going to get a little deep here because we want to show the listeners another side of you because they see you on your blog, but there's so much more I feel like to you than just the blog and we'll talk

about the blog. Okay. Okay. So tell us and tell everyone about when we met our childhood or high school. I've known you since I was 12. So it's Michael. Yeah. or childhood or high school. I've known you since I was 12, so has Michael. Yeah, I met Lauren and Michael in seventh grade, and we immediately all became best friends.

No, that's not really how it worked. I had a crush on Michael. Michael had a crush on me a little bit. Lauren can't admit it. Who can blame you? Who can blame you? I think that Lauren and Michael were broken up for like 15 minutes. Michael spoke to me, and then Lauren very quickly won me over with her manipulative ways.

And I never looked at Michael sideways again. So she won. Yep. I did. I definitely did. You guys thought you were going to win. She won. No, I won actually.

Because I have really great two friends and they're married and happy and really, really entertaining to hang out with. You spoke at our wedding wedding i did speak at your wedding you were beautiful speech i was so nervous but then i felt like i really killed it you're so funny you you're lauren's best friend one of my best friends weston's my best friend you guys were both so nervous and it's funny because lauren and i are both very attracted to both of you you and weston meaning you know we're great friends and lauren and i don't get nervous about that stuff at all and you guys were petrified but i don't really get why because it was all of the people you know um well for me i could say leading up to it is i got a lot of this better be the best speech you

ever give in your entire life better than if you were getting a grammy so there was a lot of this better be the best speech you ever give in your entire life, better than if you were getting a Grammy. So there was a lot of pressure on my end. And also I put it, I procrastinated really bad on it. And I mean, you can ask my mom. I was a nervous wreck writing it. You know what? You did a great job. I am a perfectionist.

You know what a psycho perfectionist I am. So yeah. Yeah. Michael said, start with a laugh and with a tear and you'll be good to go. Oh, that's a good tip. Yeah. He was good. He gave me a pep talk. Weston had the cold sweats. Yeah, Michael said start with a laugh and with a tear and you'll be good to go. Oh, that's a good tip, honey. Yeah, he was good. He gave me a pep talk. Weston had the cold sweats.

Weston was more nervous than me. I've never seen anything like it. He couldn't even, like, we did a little pregame. I don't want to say, they're not groomsmen, but they're just like my best buds before the wedding ceremony. And he could not stop pacing and he couldn't have a drink with us and he kept going in the bathroom i think he was throwing up i don't know what he was he was more nervous than i was i didn't talk to him in mexico until the speech was over he like couldn't talk nope he couldn't he like locked himself in a room he couldn't talk he couldn't swim he couldn't drink he couldn't eat it's pretty funny and by the way our wedding video is up on the skinny confidential so good

um so good yeah so you guys have to go check it out. We had so much fun. Also, if you just go to YouTube and search the Bostics, it'll pop up. It's so good. You'll love this one. It's the best wedding video. The Bostics, yeah. Am I Lauren Bostic or Lauren Everett?

If you're lucky, it's Bostic. Okay. So we went to high school together and Erica and I were in kind of like, it was not like a group, but we had like four best friends. Kind of like the sisterhood of the traveling pants we had like four best friends kind of like the sisterhood of the traveling pants but um not that innocent i feel like a little more edgy yeah um

and we all had diaries dt dt we called it dt time and we know it was dt because it was diary time oh okay got it dt wait what was that journal you guys all passed around no that was a different one yeah that was different dt was basically a blog each of us had but it was not online how do you even explain it's just in it but it was like all we would do is we would get magazines and sit around and cut things out and paste them and words it's like just pages and pages and pages of collages basically of everything we like. It's just funny because we were kind of like blogging before blogging.

I pulled it out the other day and I was going through my stuff and my boyfriend was like, you have to share that. That's a blog in a diary. That's like amazing. It is pretty nice. It's cool to look at. It's cool to look back on. Good thing you saved yours.

I can't find mine. Scan that and upload it. Oh, no. I like, I think I have like a lock of your hair in mine. Ooh, that's creepy. That's a little weird. No, we did, like... We're going there, huh?

No, it was like we all, like, did, like, this lock and put each other's DTs. These were, like, our lives. This is all we did. We didn't go out with friends. So we were cool in high school. No, we were not. We had little voodoo dolls. We were isolated.

Yeah. Actually. Erica was always the designated driver which was amazing um we loved avril lavigne what else we loved avril lavigne we loved avril lavigne and um we've just been best friends throughout college high school and then erica started blogging tell us about when you started blogging. Cause you started blogging me for like anyone. Yeah, I started blogging. I was in college. I think, you know, whenever that was, um, I don't know what year it was my junior year of college actually. And I would always see things I liked online, you know, an outfit, a look street style, but then I didn't even know what street style was because it really wasn't that big of a

thing. And I was always saving all these pictures to my desktop. And I was like, you know, this is taking up so much space and memory. I'm just going to start a blog on blogger. And, um, I, it was, it was nothing impressive. I don't have all those old posts. It was literally like just a picture of Mary Kate with like no words. And it was for me.

I didn't know what, no one had blogs. I had no like a tumblr like a tumblr but i had no example to follow and then i remember the first blogger i became really into was rumi neely and i was like oh that's really cool like maybe i'll take pictures of my outfits so i started doing a little bit of that but still at this point i was in college so it was a hobby um it was when i graduated and actually lauren started the skinny confidential that she's like if you want this to be your thing you gotta you gotta start with more of a bang like kind of let's rebrand let's like come up with an idea and i was working a desk job and so i would on my lunch breaks have one of my co-workers just take pictures of my outfit and then i would go

home and work till two in the morning this is is like six years ago, right? This was like six years ago, yeah. And then I would work until two in the morning and I was just trucking along. And then one day I got laid off and I was like, ah, everyone around me is crying at this table

because they all got laid off and I felt so bad. Why did everyone get laid off? It was just a company thing. They cut? Yeah, they just cut. What kind of business was it again? Marketing.

Online marketing. Big online marketing. Yeah, big online marketing. you know the company um aren't you the coupon girl yeah i was let's not go there um so so um yeah everyone was crying and really bummed and i felt bad but then i went home and i called and i called lauren because i was like i just got laid off and she's like amazing this is exactly what you needed. This is your chance. Do it for six months. If it doesn't work, go back to the working world. And I did it for six months. And here I am. It's been like seven years later.

It worked. Can you tell our dynamic is I'm quite the bossy one in the relationship? Because I can be bossy. Yeah, but it works. Yeah, it does work. I will say she's always right. Okay, before we talk to Erica about what her blog started as and how it's evolved over time, I want to tell you guys about 5-4 Club. Okay, before we talk to Erica about what her blog started as and how it's evolved over time,

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because it puts together different styles based on personal preference and keeps track of what you have so that when they send or add anything new to your wardrobe, it can complement the pieces previously sent. Another great thing about 5-4 Club is there's free shipping with every shipment directly to your doorstep. Like I said before, I have 5-4 shipments sent to the condo in LA so that when we're up there, I have an assortment of different things to wear and I don't have to think too much about it. So it's really easy to sign up. Go to 5-4 club.com and use promo code skinny at sign up to get a double package for the first month of five, four club. That is a $240 value for only $60. This offer expires on March 31st. So act quick again. That's five, four club.com promo code skinny. What did the blog start as? And what

has it evolved into now? The blog started as like something I thought maybe my mom would look at like once in a while to see like, you know, what I was doing in school. Um, or just for me to be like, Ooh, like I needed some like style and stuff. Let me go to my own blog because that's where I was posting everything. Um, and then it turned in, I, I think there was a point where I kind of lost my way and I was like, okay, I want to incorporate everything. I want to do everything. I think that'll really like open the doors. But now I've kind of honed back in. I was like, okay, I want to incorporate everything. I want to do everything. I think that'll really open the doors. But now I've kind of honed back in. I've gone, you know, I went through a phase where I went too wide, and now I'm going back narrow and kind of sticking.

I think you've found yourself. Yeah, I think that this past year, I've really found who I am. You found your stride, your photographer. Everything's really, to me, coming together. I found my aesthetic. Yeah, it takes me coming together. It's been fun to watch. Yeah. It takes a while sometimes.

It does. And I think that if you can give a lesson to the readers out there that are blogging and trying to find their style, what would something be? Gosh, that's hard. I think it would just, I mean, to find your style, try different things, see what works for you, see what doesn't, test the waters. It's okay to mess up.

Like I have, you know, done a lot of things. I look back on what was I thinking that's so not me, where I was trying to do something just because I thought that would maybe, you know, get me more followers or get me more readers on my site or something. But really that only starts to happen when you're really being yourself. And so I think whatever you've got to do, trial and error, try new things, meet new people, figure out who you are. And then I think that's what's really propelling me right now.

And listen to your audience. Embracing that. Listen to the audience. Embracing that. Stop trying to be what I think everyone else might want. So speaking of social media and numbers, like you were just talking about, you just did what we think is a really good post called social media killed my confidence.

And no, really, I thought it was a really vulnerable post. Why did you decide to write that post and what made you want to write it? Well, two reasons. One is that I've recently, you know,

I love posting my outfits and what I'm wearing, but I think that the content, I don't like how the content was just about the outfit. I feel like there's so much more to me that I want to talk about. So for most of my outfit posts, I kind of want to change it and get more personable on things. And that's one issue that's been really bothering me lately. So what specifically? I mean, it's just this world we live in where I wake up every morning and I grab my phone and I go straight to my feed and it's, you know, this girl is in the Bahamas swimming with the pigs

and this chick is this Russian supermodel with four gorgeous children and the perfect husband carrying a bouquet of 900 roses. And like these lives that people are living, it's just, you know, it makes you feel whether you want it or not, that you're not enough, that you're not going to be enough unless you have that thing or go on that trip or any of these things. And so, you know, that gets to you. It gets to you and it's every day of these things. And so, you know, that, that gets to you. It gets to you when it's every day of your life. And I think, God, Lauren and I are so lucky that grow like in our developing years in high

school that we didn't have to deal with that shit. Like I couldn't imagine what kids go through now. I think, you know, I mean, Mimi's got her shit together, but like still, I think about her friends and like this world where they have to compare

themselves to such unrealistic things. And to me, it makes me kind of bummed to think that anyone else thinks my life is perfect because I'm not confident because of all these people. And I don't want them to think that, oh, what is she talking about? She goes on these great vacations and she does this and she does that. Yeah. We're all showing the best parts of our lives. And as much as you know, that deep down, it's still fucking sucks when you're laying in bed in your pajamas all day and you, you know, haven't gotten out of the house yet. And you see these people doing so much, you know, what the problem is. And I had to kind of come to terms with this. The it's this problems existed throughout time, seeing other people, what you

perceive to be better or what you perceive to be further along in the line of progression. But what social media has just put it in front of people's face a lot more. So I think the issue is that people are constantly, and I had to go through this myself, people are constantly, it's never enough, right? You get to a stage in your life where, let's say, you hit a financial milestone. You're sitting there waiting, waiting. One day, you're like, when I get to that point, I'm going to be happy. Then you get there and you're like, okay, I'm here.

I'm still not happy. So I need to do something else to be happy. And so it's this constant need to try to find happiness. When if people just kind of looked and said, you know, I'm grateful for what I have and I'm happy and what I have than us, and now we're getting a little bit older, is that they're not told, hey, it's okay to be really content with what you have. And it's okay to aspire to those things, but seeing other people shouldn't make you unhappy. And you should look at it as this is something aspirational and you want to do it, but it shouldn't be something where you look and say, you know, I'm not good enough or I'm unhappy, but it's a full mindset and somebody, an individual has to come to that conclusion themselves. Yeah.

I also think what's helped me a lot this past year, I feel like I've really found this space where I can really a hundred percent be myself and not give a fuck what anyone thinks. Like if you don't like following me, unfollow me. I think that what's really helped me is like not even like looking at it. So instead of waking up in the morning and checking my feed, I'll do something like open my books app or turn on a podcast. And then when I have time, instead of scrolling through a feed, I'll return Snapchat messages or emails. I do. I like to replace that part of my life where I was looking at other people with something

really productive because it just really, really helps me stay in my own lane with my blinders on and not get focused. And I told you this the other day, like on Snapchat, I follow like three people. That's like my dad and Michael and you, I don't like to follow a bunch of people because I don't want to be swayed either. Like I don't want my personality to chameleon to what other people are doing. I just really want it to come across in an authentic, how you would be hanging out with me over cocktails type of way. Yeah. And I think that another thing that's really helped me is that connecting with my readers instead of focusing on, you know,

the other influencers who maybe are not intentionally, obviously making anyone feel anyway, but you know, instead of focusing on what I think they might think about me as a fellow influencer or my peer, because really it's not an industry where you have peers. It's more, unfortunately, competition-based. But my readers are the ones who are supportive of everything I do, and the more real I am, the more they want to flock to me. And I feel like the more real I am, the more I might lose potential partnerships or collaborations with other influencers,

but really at the end of the day, that's not what I'm looking for. So what I've noticed is I really at the end of the day, that's not what I'm looking for. So what I've noticed is I really like the response that my readers give me when I post things like it killed my confidence. You know, obviously that is a vulnerable post, but I'm glad I wrote it because my readers make me feel so much more confident. And I did another post that was really good about my issues with anxiety. And like the support I got from that audience was like, I mean, pretty game changing. Like it was,

you know, I also think I'm to the point with partnerships and collaborations that I don't want, I would rather pass on it. If it's, if the brand doesn't feel like I'm a hundred percent fit. So I think being yourself a hundred percent, maybe you do only, you know, take 80% of the pie as opposed to a hundred percent fit. So I think being yourself a hundred percent, maybe you do only, you know,

take 80% of the pie as opposed to a hundred of it, but it's worth it. Cause you get those really meaningful partnerships. And here's the thing, just from like a business perspective, it's impossible to, to be successful doing anything, but what based around yourself, if you're doing a personal brand, let me rephrase that. If you're doing a personal brand, let me rephrase that. If you're doing a personal brand, it's impossible to not use your own personality and be successful because people's bullshit meters are very high. And all of a sudden, if they see Lauren talking about something that they know is not Lauren, they're going to say, wait a minute, what the hell is this?

And they're not going to respond to it. Same thing with you. Same thing with me. So, you know, I try not to talk about a wide range of subjects and I try to stay narrow. The reason I feel confident when I speak is I don't ever go outside of who I am. I'm not ever trying to say, okay, I'm like this person or I'm like, I'm me. And I know that some people aren't going to identify with it, but the people that do, they're going to say, yeah, this, I really identify with this because I know he's being completely authentic to himself. It's when you go outside of yourself and you try to act like something you're not or somebody that you aren't that people say, wait a minute.

That doesn't make a lot of sense here. Yeah. And I think that's like especially one thing that's hindered me is because like there's so many things that I'm seeing other people doing. I'm like, well, maybe if I just tried that and I'm doing it and it's uncomfortable and it shows. And I see it looking back on it now. So I don't do that shit anymore. I know we've all done it. I mean doing it and it's uncomfortable and it shows and I see it looking back on it now. So I don't do that shit. And we've all done it. I mean, we have, we, you live and learn. What can you do? You can't, you can't always be perfect 24 seven. You're going to make mistakes. And when people are watching and you put yourself out there online, you just got to

deal with it and take it. Okay. So Erica is going to tell us all about her anxieties and phobias and share some advice on how to deal with this. But first I want to tell us all about her anxieties and phobias and share some advice on how to deal with this. But first I want to tell you guys about frame bridge. Okay. So recently on the skinny confidential, I did a whole wall in my house dedicated to wedding photos. Um, it's not like a Sheena Marie Vanderpump rules wall where it's overkill. It's just like the perfect touch of wedding within our home. And that is thanks to framebridge.com. They are incredible. You guys know I love efficiency, the site, the ease of the order, how you order the piece.

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You just talked about anxiety. So I know that you have anxiety. You have OCD? No. What would you call it? I would just say anxiety, like generalized anxiety, some, some like phobias. Yeah, phobias. That's the word I'm looking for. Okay. So, so tell us, like, walk us through it. Give, give, give us some advice for anyone that has the same symptoms. We want to hear about it. Gosh, well, if you go to my blog and search my anxiety story,

you can hear the whole thing because it's a really long story. But basically, I feel in my heart of hearts that I've had anxiety since, you know, very, very, very young age, I think. And I can attest to that because I've seen the whole entire journey with her and she's had it since the second I've known her. Yeah. You were really young.

Yeah. I mean, I think I remember my first, like, bout of anxiety without knowing what it was when I was like seven. We moved here from Nashville. So I like remember that time as just being really a transition and maybe, you know, that contributed to it. But yeah, I mean, it's a it's a struggle.

It's a struggle daily. It's a struggle. You know, coming up to L.A., I had anxiety like, like you know i'm not it's something i'll always deal with okay for somebody i think i have situational anxiety like certain things happen i think everyone gets that yeah but let's take the example you just you just spoke about why does coming up to la give you anxiety for someone like me who may not understand the reason god i mean think of every single thing that could go wrong and that's what goes into my head like everything like we could get what if we get in a car accident it's raining outside Understand the reason. God, I mean, think of every single thing that could go wrong, and that's what goes into my head. Like, something like...

What if we get in a car accident? It's raining outside. What if I, you know... Is that, like, glorophobia? Maybe a little, I think. I mean, but see, I'm out, and I'm fine. Like, I'm fine now. So it's everything leading up to it.

Like, my wedding speech, for example. Nervous, nervous, nervous, nervous, nervous. And I do it, and I'm fine. So, you know, it's just something I cope with and I get past and I, you know, it's my, it's my normal. So it's, this is my normal, um, things I do to help. I do acupuncture. I do chiropractic.

I'm starting to try to get into working out because people say that works. I do. I take CBD oil. I have other self medications. We can talk about it. I smoke pot. Um, I am on anxiety medicine and I always have been, and I might always will be. Um, but that's okay with me. I would rather that than not. Cause then, you know, I don't know, I've been on it for so long. I wouldn't know what, what it would be like. Um, so what, what happens when you get anxiety? Like what is the, I mean, it's every time is different. Like sometimes I will just, you know, my hands will just start sweating and I'll just, it'll be like the room's closing in on me. Like if I'm in a situation where it happens like that, um don't need to go outside or I'll call my mom.

And, you know, my mom... You saw it happen at a conference that we went to in Dallas. Oh, yeah, I remember I had a panic attack. Yeah. I had a panic attack. We went to a conference in Dallas and it was fine. It was handled, you know, and the next day I'm fine. It's just some things are too much.

Some things are too much. And it's about knowing, I think when you do have anxiety, it's just about knowing your limits and being okay with what you can do and what you can't do. There's a version or a quote, and I'm not going to quote it, but basically they say anxiety is a recollection of past suffering and a fear of future suffering. Don't get me started. They say that most people just fail to realize if you kind of eagle-eyed and went outside of yourself and looked down at the situation, like almost outside of your body, and realized, okay, things that have happened in the past are done. They no longer concern you, so nothing to worry about. And things that are going to happen in the future haven't happened yet, so there's nothing to worry about. And when you think it's – I know it's hard to pull yourself and look at it from that perspective, but really the only thing that you control in your life, and I always tell people this, the only thing is choices. Choices how you choose to respond to things, choices how you choose to perceive things.

So what I always tell people when they're having anxiety, first, I can't cure it and I can't make you think this way. But when you can kind of take a step back and say, okay, let's look at it from up here and let's look at it logically. Let's see what the real issues are. Let's understand that whatever's going to happen is going to happen and I'll deal with it then. And anything from the past is already done with. It kind of helps you put things in perspective. I think you're just internalizing a lot. Totally. No, I agree a hundred percent. The best thing I've ever heard about anxiety was Tim Ferriss' take on it. It's amazing. And I've done this and it's really worked for me is you do preventative measures.

So you don't wait till the anxiety strikes. That's the mistake I see and I used to do that. So what I do is instead of waiting for it to come, I'll do things like yoga. Yoga has been so like my mind is blown from what yoga has done for me with anxiety. I'll do things like workout. I'll do things like weird beauty things that I like to do. Burned essential oils, just meditate. Like whatever that is, you do preventative things so it doesn't strike. The bad thing is when you don't do anything preventative and then it comes. Erica and I are reading this book called Many Lives.

Many Lives, Many Masters. Oh my God. It's a good one for anxiety. It's really interesting. It's really working wonders in my head right now. I think I just got that book. It's really good. It's about past life stuff,

but it's really interesting. I suggest it to anybody. Yeah, we really like it. It's really good. Okay, so moving on, what are some of the choices you have made in your life that make you who you are? Oh,

wow. So Michael question. God, that's deep. Some of like my life choices. I mean, meeting me, just becoming friends with Lauren.

I'm just kidding. Um, God, I want to say i i don't like this one but i think that um and this is against what you guys think i do agree with everything you guys think about college by the way but i will say me going thank you to my mom and my dad forcing me to do that experience was like, I mean, for somebody who has anxiety, that was one of the hardest things I've ever done in my entire life. That was so hard, but I would like explain why, like explain why it was hard. I went to school an hour away and I cried, cried, cried, cried for months. I wanted to come home so bad. I was so homesick. Um, change is like a really like hard thing for me with, you know, I don't like drastic change. So to move to somewhere where I had none of my friends or my family or anything

was hard. And my, I think it was either my mom or my dad had the same problem when they went to college. They wanted to go home and their parents said, give it, I think a month, give it a month. And if you want to come home after a month, you can come home. So my mom and dad said the same thing to me and I gave it a month and after a month I still wanted to come home but I wasn't going to because at that point I was a month in I wasn't going to give up so that really taught me because I did it for four years and yes I got used to it and I ended up loving it and made some amazing lifelong friends and all those things but it taught me about persistence and just pushing forward to that end goal. So that was like a big thing for me. That's something that Erica really has that I

love about you is that you have persistence and discipline. And I think as a blogger, those two things are so important because it's something that you have to repeat, rinse and repeat every single day. You can't, like, you can't, I feel like you can't even step away for two days. I mean, I can't remember the last time I've gone on vacation and not worked every single day. You have that, you have that chip in you that's persistence and discipline. And patience. Yeah.

I think that, like, also in this blogging world where I see a lot is that you can get caught up really easily in the events and the fun and the parties and the da-da-da-da. But at the end of the day, I think what makes a blogger really get to that next level is that maybe they're going to some of these networking events depending on the scenario, but more often than not, you're turning it down to go home, work on your content on your blog work on building the next steps you know that's what

it those sort of things that's what it takes i can't tell you i i would be too embarrassed to even say how many hours a day i work and how late i'm up working tell that's actually interesting because you you will work some weird hours you're night owl owl. I work better at night. I probably wake up around 11.30, start working. I will have meetings in the day, whatever. But my day really starts around 8 p.m. And I'll be up until 3, 3.30. Every night because we email back and forth all the time. And I'll go to bed probably like 1.30.

Yeah. email back and forth all the time and i'll go to bed like probably like 1 30 yeah and then i'll get emails from her at three in the morning about blog do all the time yeah it's it's pretty i mean it's intense you know there was someone someone told me a book and i wish i could remember i'm not gonna be able to remember right now but it was just um it was about just kind of accepting that everyone's circadian rhythms are different oh i know what book you're talking about. Shoot. What is that? You, you recommended it. You got to tell us the book. I'll look, I'll look it up. Okay. So Erica and I also have a company called blog do, and basically about three to four years into blogging, we both kind of looked at each other and we said, we're getting all these emails from our readers about our blog design. And Erica and I had designed my blog together and her blog together. We basically are partners in the way where Erica does all the backend and

the graphic design, and then I'll look at it and be like, I think you should move this here. Cause I'm obviously not good at the backend. I think you should add this. I think you should, you know, make this font bigger. So we kind of have been like a team on designing Fashion Lush and the Skinny Confidential. Anyways, we looked at each other and we thought we should be offering this to other bloggers that want to start out and offering blog makeovers and to design their sites. So we went together and we created this whole concept around voodoo witch doctor kind of services and spells. And it's been really fun to work together. I think it's been pretty easy.

We don't really fight at all. No, we don't. We don't fight a lot. Okay, you found the book. Yeah, the book is called The Power of Win. And it's about your chronotype. Yep, that's the one I was thinking of. Don't feel bad if you like to stay up till.

Don't let your boyfriend, friend, sister, mom, anybody tell you. Yeah, Michael. I mean, some nights, Friday night, Saturday night sunday nights i cut it off but on the weeknight that's my time to shine like that is my time michael anyways i have the computer in bed we digress well that's different than like if you want to stay up no computer's not in bed i have to stay out see boom if you want to stay up till six in the morning i don't care just don't do it in bed when i'm sleeping i'm not gonna go in bed and like you know like the dog lauren has giant fingers it sounds like i don't think she really does but she clicks these keys it sounds like the guy from jack and the beanstalks at the top just slamming the keys

what if i find a guy that wants to let me sit in bed with the computer by all means go ahead you better watch out um so anyways blog I'm going to find a girl with quieter fingers. No, Lauren and I will just one day move in together and we'll just be up until we'll never sleep. That would be bad. That would be bad. Okay, so back to blog deal. Back to blog deal. So anyway, we have this site and we work together.

Yes. And a lot of people say don't work with your friends or family and I work with all my friends and family. Yeah, Lauren and I aren't normal friends, though. Why? I don't know. We just, there's no drama. I feel like there will never be something not on the table. And we recover quick, too.

We recover really, really, like, really stupid. How stupid we recover. And also, like, we're the type of friends where, like, we don't have to talk for, like, three years. So what do you think has kept you guys friends for so long? That. That. Yeah. There's no, like, it's not, I'm not going to be like, I haven't seen you in three years.

Why can't I see you? You know, we, I'll talk to her. She never puts pressure on me. We won't talk literally for two weeks. And, like, some friends will be like, oh, shit, I should probably reach out. I feel bad. Lauren, never feel bad. And then when I do call, we'll talk on the phone for three hours.

We won't stop talking. And then we might not talk again. It's right back to where we left off. There's never a lag and there's never any weirdness. It's not high-maintenance friendship. It's funny because Wesson and I work together

and he's my best friend, one of my best friends. And we have no, same thing. We have no problems. We get along. We see eye to eye. He does certain things. I do certain things.

And there's never any issues. Lauren and I started working together. We had to navigate through a lot of issues. We still do, honey bunches. And there's sometimes I want to, you know, ring her neck. Yeah. Like when I need to return emails. And you recently, well, not recently, but you live now with your boyfriend, Zach.

I do. And you guys work together. Yes. What are the difficulties you guys have encountered? And don't say nothing, because I know. No. I know from experience with Lauren that it can't be nothing. We know.

Oh, God, no. Yeah. Hi, babe. Hold on. She's going to pull out a scroll. Let me do hi, babe. Hi, babe. Yeah, and he does typical culture.

He actually is like a male version of a blogger but not a blogger at all he has a zine called typical culture which is something he created around the same time i created fashion lush we didn't know each other but it's a skateboarding he's very much in the skateboarding industry we have moved in together which is a learning curve wait before we get into this what did i tell you before you moved in with him? Don't do it. Yes. Why?

I don't know. I don't remember. Why? I said. Oh, until you get married or engaged. I said, enjoy every little piece of toothpaste in that toothpaste squeezer that you can squeeze to yourself and take that independence and relish it and love it. And you said, nope, I'm moving in together. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We didn't move in

together until after three and a half years of being together. We didn't move in together until after six. Is he allowed to sit on the couch? Cause I'm not allowed to sit on our couch. He's allowed to sit on the couch. You'd prefer no. I would prefer no. Um, I asked him today if the housekeeper came yesterday and I asked him today if the housekeeper came yesterday. I asked him to clean the whole entire house just to be safe while I'm gone. I can't stand how Michael sits at the dinner table to eat. Wait a minute. Listen, I understand if it's like a huge pigsty.

But you have him clean the house before the maid comes to clean the house? No, after. The day after. Okay. I just because like, you know, he's been home all day. I don't know what kind of tornado. See, he, when we moved in together, I would say, like, 90% of everything in the apartment is, like, my space.

Like, I'm like, okay, this has to be clean. This is a clean space. This is a clean space. This is a clean space. He has one area where he can do whatever he wants to, and that's his desk. And his desk can get pretty out of hand. Makes me want to rip my hair out.

But that's one thing. I'm like a very big meat freak. That's one thing I've had to let go. I have to let him leave a pair of pants on the floor. It's hard. One of the funniest and most unrealistic things you ever told me yeah this was funny was we're i think we were driving home from palm springs you lauren and me oh god and i's all right and you said michael i really just wish he would notice the ring that

his cup left on the table and i said you're dating a man like he's never gonna notice that i looked at you i was like that was like not that was a not, it was like a, it was like a, like a full thing that you really like thought was realistic that he was going to come around to. And listen, I, we don't, we're not going to notice that kind of stuff. No, I know. I told him, what did I tell him? I said, I just want you to take cleaning initiative. And he was like, I'm not going to take cleaning initiative.

You ask me and I'll do it, but I'm not like, I don't know what you want. You know what I would love? Well, two things really, if we're being honest. The first thing I would love is if you put the toilet seat down. Because, you know, when I get up at two in the morning to go to the bathroom and I fall in the toilet, like it's just, is it that hard? I have been working on it. I've been getting better.

I'd give you a C. Okay. But I was an F. The next thing that I would really love is he cleaned the house yesterday because I left it dirty for once in my life. Be careful here. Okay, you clean the house once in your whole time with living at me. No, wrong. You reminded me 800 times that you clean the house when I clean the house every day. First, let me say something. I have sisters. Women can be some of the messiest creatures on earth.

Men, I mean, yeah, there's some gross things that happen when you go to a guy's. Have you ever gone into a woman's dormitory or a house full of women roommates? What women are we talking about? Not all women. Have you ever opened a toilet with tiny little hairs floating everywhere? Ew. That's a... Women can get very messy.

You left the house yesterday. Admit it. I had a YouTube shoot all day and had an appointment at 5 o'clock. So yeah, everything was everywhere. But she would have gotten home and cleaned it too. Anyway, it's just like... Let me tell you, if I left the house like that... You guys should do a podcast on your guys' amazing cleaning.

If I left the house like that, I might as well just never come home because I would hear about it for three years. Mimi's in the corner laughing. She knows. Mimi's rolling her eyes at you. Okay, so living together has been tough. Living together.

No, it hasn't been tough. It's an adjustment. It's an adjustment. I really enjoyed my own space. I loved my own space. There's something very special about having your own space. You'll never have it again. Never have it again, which is fine because, you know, once your lives mesh, your lives

mesh. And like now we're in a routine. But it did take a good six months of like, are we going to make it out alive? You know, are we going to do this? And some adjustment. More for me. He's lived with a significant other before. And also he is like, you know, it's like there's just Xanax pumping through his blood all the time.

He's pretty easy. He's so easy. He is so easy. He doesn't care. It's work. I mean, a relationship's work. You constantly have to work it. Yeah.

It's just like a blog. It's just like a blog. It's work every single day. Yeah. Zach and I really bonded at the wedding. I don't think he was expecting some of my music choices. Oh, he loved your music. You guys had a flogging Molly moment. We had misfits. Oh, he was thrilled.

He likes fast forward to the end of your wedding video because there's like a shot of you guys hugging. I'm going to do a quick plug here. I would invest in, and someone should be paying me for this, Bose Quiet Comfort headsets. I use those and I block Lauren's noise and I go in the bed and it's like nobody's even

there. Oh, I got to get that. He sleeps. He sleeps so light. Oh, why don't you get him that? That's a cute gift. I'm going to order one on Amazon. I'll use your guys' podcast page.

You should. I didn't get Michael anything for Valentine's Day, so maybe I'll order you another set. I haven't gotten a Christmas card, a Valentine's card. I refuse to open them. I'm going to start sending him cards. I sent you a Valentine's card I refuse to open I'm gonna start sending him cards I sent you a Valentine's text you got like six roses bouquets of roses

and like letters from your dogs dude she she should be grateful can you imagine if I just got her nothing Valentine's Day is about the girl says who yeah

I feel like it's Taylor stop shaking your head next time I get a present I'll just buy two so you can give one to Michael what did you get Zach? I got Zach this amazing necklace. It's like rhodium chain, like a black rhodium chain with this gold.

It's like a hummingbird skull. Did you write him a nice note? Yeah, I wrote him. I got him this card that was like a death metal guy that was like, I'll love you forever. He loved it. That sounds really, really nice. I actually did get you a Valentine's Day gift. Well, we're waiting. I have a Valentine's Day gift. Well, we're waiting.

I have a Valentine's Day gift for you. We're waiting. Yeah. I also gave you a gift on Valentine's Day night. It was a really cute gift. Yep. That's why you got that ring on your finger. Winky, winky, winky.

If I don't get that gift, then what the hell is the point of all of this? Ew, Taylor. Man, oh man, is it impossible to get Michael Bostic to eat vegetables? Not when I cook up the vegetable chili from Blue Apron with the baked sweet potatoes and the crispy tortilla strips. That's actually true. He ate vegetables. Finally, I've been trying to hide them in everything. I hide them in his smoothies, and now I'm going to be hiding them in his chili with Blue Apron. If you guys don't know

what Blue Apron is, it's the number one fresh ingredient and recipe delivery service in the country. Basically, their mission is to make incredible home cooking accessible to everyone. And if this podcast doesn't work out, I can always go into a new career as a professional chef because I am basically one now. Let's not get crazy, Michael. Okay, so for less than $10 per person per meal, Blue Apron delivers seasonal recipes along with pre-portioned ingredients to make delicious home-cooked meals so that I can continue to whip up vegetable chili, salmon piccata, spicy shrimp coconut curry, you name it. Yum. I'm so glad you're eating all these veggies. Chili, salmon, piccata, spicy shrimp, coconut curry, you name it. Yeah. I'm so glad you're eating all these veggies. Um, we like it cause again, we're having this theme of efficiency. It's flexible. It's easy. It's guaranteed.

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he can eat. He eats like shit. Love him. He doesn't eat like shit, but he can eat whatever he wants and not gain a pound. And I can't do that. And so when he gets all this stuff in the house, it's like so delicious. Like it's your drunk junk drawer that you've got full of drunk food, but like all everything he eats.

So it's like everything you would ever dream of eating. That's really hard. I try to buy healthy food, but he just goes out to the store and buys his own really good stuff that I can't eat um working together though that's a whole nother dynamic thrown into the mix um i think if you're gonna work with your partner you both just really need to accept not to take anything personally like you don't you can't you know there's product there's project zach works on for blog do where i'm actually, like, his boss. I'm not his boss, but, like, I'm, you know, he'll say, do you like how this product turned out?

He does web design. He's an amazing web designer. So he'll come to me, you know, do you like how this turned out? Yes or no. And sometimes I have to say no. And, like, we're a couple, but I'm also, like, having the last say in a situation like that. And it's just you just not taking anything personally. No one takes anything personally.

I think there's been times where we're like, you know, it could get personal. And then we step back and we're like, wait, we love each other, but we also work together. So let's move on and just do what I say. What's the number one thing you love about him? Oh, his creativity and his easygoing attitude. You know?

Yeah, he balances you out. It's mellow. It's nice. He balances you out. I love Zach. I love Zach. For you. I think he's... He's a gentle soul. He has finesse with the way he handles you.

I feel like... Yeah, he has finesse with the way you're like a... I've got a lot of energy. No, you're like a bull in a china shop sometimes and he like kind of like he like makes a way for you to get through thank you if he keeps buying the food he's buying he's gonna have to make a bigger way for you to get through

that's a big bull taylor's laughing in the corner taylor you're being a little like taylor's been very very serious today yeah taylor's taking i haven't heard him say one word, actually. Taylor's filming everything we're doing because we're going to try to do a monthly or weekly YouTube series where we show the behind the scenes. Because you know with blogging, people just think you write a post and put up a picture. Yeah, I think that's such a good idea, too that takes away the like stigma of like your life is perfect because people are going to see that like all you do is work

you know your braids are uneven I got braided on the side of the road I saw that classy it's not as perfect as it seems it's not as perfect as our Instagram feed scenes I really like Lauren's the master of Snapchat.

You know. I. And I hope that. More people take lead. In just. Using. Your Instagram can be perfect all day long. If that's your prerogative.

That's fine. I'm not. I'm not gonna. Look at my feed. I'm not gonna post something. That's not on brand with that feed. But. I think it's really good.

If people start using Snapchat. And. Insta stories. Not as a way. To show off more. But as a way to show what's really going on in their lives, because that's what it's for. So that's the best thing you've ever said. Thank you. I just hope it goes in that direction because yes, it's about connecting with the audience and showing behind the scenes. It's not look like look at my new look at my new at my new that. Look at what I have.

I want to do a webinar on this. It's like even when there's mom bloggers out there, I love their feeds and they've got great style. But what I really love is when they blog about their cute kids and what their kids are doing. You're just seeing what's really going on in their lives. It's relatable. So you feel when you see that like you know a person.

But if someone's just showing me you know the new gucci handbag of the season that got sent to them i'm gonna go okay well i've seen that i don't care i want to see something else you want to see the nitty-gritty the nitty-gritty yeah totally i mean that's i think that's the most important part of me is to also show that side yeah so when you say blogging is a lot of work like what what people would say, what are you doing from eight to three in the morning? Like what's the process? Oh God.

I mean, well there's, I, I do, I don't, I have a problem delegating. I do a lot of stuff myself. So we're getting better though. Yeah, we're getting better. But we're getting better. The process of just editing photos, writing a post, getting the

content out there, sharing it via all your social networks, that alone is two and a half hours. And then that's not even touching on preparing content for the next day, getting blog do stuff taken care of, handling all of that. Emails. Emails, thinking of what's

the next step, brainstorming new ideas, where are you going to go from here, reaching to brands coming you know it's just it the list will go on and on and on yeah and it's hard because you just when you you are it's when you're in this world of blogging you just have to be on you got to be on a lot like you can't you really there's no off button you do have to be on a lot because when you're showing your life it's like you're showing your life for that and you and i always talk about how sometimes it's frustrating to want to go somewhere. Like you were talking about, you said that there's a coffee shop that you really like, but you don't want to go there because you needed like an Instagram.

It's like, you know, it's like, you know, I'm like, I don't like, I don't jam pack my schedule because I know my limitations. But like, if I'm going to go out for the day and I get dressed up cute, I would love to go to my favorite coffee shop. But my favorite coffee shop in San Diego is, like, a hole in the wall. And then I'm like, okay, well, I need to get content for my day. I can't just walk into any coffee shop. I've got to, like, plan it out. Like, how are my readers going to like this?

You know, like, I've got to plan things strategically. So instead of going to the coffee shop I love that doesn't charge me an arm and a leg i go to the expensive one because there's you know cute products there's you know i can meet a friend there so here's the story though it's just it's the story is this the story is like listen i don't want to go i'm going to this shitty coffee shop because i like this better than the bullshit i usually show you i think people would identify with that more i'm trying I'm trying to tell her that too. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying though. That's like the direction that like

I'm trying to embrace a little bit more. You know, it's just, it's hard. It's hard because like, you know, I want to meet Lauren at the coffee shop. I'm like, okay, well. Let's get an Instagram. Let's get an Instagram while we're out. But I think that Snapchat.

We'll just start going to the shitty coffee shop. It's so good. Which one is it Instagram while we're out. But I think that Snapchat... We'll just start going to the shitty coffee shop. It's so good. Which one is it? Okay, so besides the shitty coffee shop, where can people find you? They can find her on Instagram. Sorry. Erica just

stuffed a cookie in her mouth. I have really low blood sugar. That's okay. Want me to entertain her for a while? Anyways, you guys want to hear a joke? While she eats the cookie no they're really about to pass they definitely want to go find her on her blog which is fashionlush.com and then her instagram is incredible her feed is one of the gnarliest feeds i've ever seen i don't know how you do it and you promised me that you're gonna get back on snapchat i'm back on Snapchat. I'm doing both. Okay, so Snapchat, Fashionlish.

The blog, Fashionlish.com. And Instagram, annoying, underscore, Fashionlish, underscore. Still waiting to get that Fashionlish account. I love it. Kick that person off. And then Blogdo. And then Blogdo, yeah. Blogdo's got some really, really cool, cool stuff coming up soon.

Yeah, we've got something that we're working on that every blogger can use that's affordable. It's basically all of our tips and tricks combined into one spot. We have been working on this for a year and a half. Yeah, it's all of our tips and tricks and a lot of other professionals in the industry. Yeah, we're spilling all the secrets. We're not going to be those girls that don't tell you where we got the shirt from. I might sneak in a couple of tips of my own.

We know you will. We know you will. We can't get rid of you. All right. On that note, we are out. I hope you guys enjoyed fashion lush Erica. She will be back on and,

we'll have a more of a conversation next time. I just wanted you guys to get to know her on this episode. Did we not have a conversation? I thought we had a great, we did, but, but, but I, I want to know her on this episode. Did we not have a conversation? I thought we had a great conversation. We did, but I want to have her on and I want to talk about high school. There's so much more to talk about. Oh, do you want to smoke a joint while you talk about that?

You made a decision. Alright, you guys. Follow Erica at Fashion Lush and we will see you next week. Bye. and lush and we will see you next week bye thanks for listening to the skinny confidential him and her with lauren everts and michael bostick download new episodes every tuesday at podcastone.com or subscribe now on the podcast one app hey guys david smalley here reminding you to check out dogma debate on the podcast one app

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