The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #60: Alli Webb & Cameron Webb - Founders and Creators of Drybar

Episode Date: April 25, 2017

Founder of Drybar & lifelong blowdry maven Alli Webb and Co-founder & the creative mind behind Drybar's branding Cameron Webb, join Lauryn & Michael to discuss how they met, the process in which a little mobile blowout turned into Drybar, the branding, scaling the business, creating their own product line, and Alli explains how her book "Drybar Guide to Good Hair for All: How to Get the Perfect Blowout at Home" came to be. To connect with Alli click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn’s latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you’ll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

Thanks for downloading this show from PC1. Before we get rolling, here's a word from one of the folks who helped bring you this podcast. The following program is a PodcastOne.com presentation. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness.

Welcome to the Skinny Conf ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast. You have me, Lauren Everett. And the star of the show, Michael Bostic, here, live. I'm going to go projectile. Okay, guys, welcome back. It is Tuesday, one of my favorite days of the week. And today we have a very, very exciting guest.

Two guests. Two guests. We have Allie Webb and Cameron Webb of Drybar. They're the founders and the story that they tell is incredible. We talk about branding, building, marketing, product, books, everything. Super interesting couple. Hair. A lot of hair. A lot of hair michael love that part michael loves hair before we get into it though i want to i love my hair so before we get into it i want to talk to you guys about the secret facebook group michael is not allowed in i've been barred he's been barred it's girls only it's probably better there's a lot of estrogen in there

sometimes i peek at your phone when you're not looking i I try to see what's going on in the group. No, you don't. You don't know my password. I change it every day. I don't want to see. Yeah, you don't want to know about UTI. Can I get in? No.

Okay, I'm out. We might, might create another Facebook or a subgroup. So explain. I actually think the group is genius from just like a really good idea. You've got this whole community and why not put them all in one place? You guys all talking and I think it's rad. Obviously I'm not allowed in. That's fine. I get it. It's girls only. What's going on in there? So basically I just wanted a platform where the audience and readership could connect with each other as opposed to just with me. So I was seeing a lot of questions that people were asking me that

maybe I didn't know the answer to, or they were asking about questions of where to get a blowout in Chicago. Obviously, I don't live in Chicago. So I wanted to put everyone on one platform where they could connect and share tips and tricks of maybe where to get their nails done. I don't live in New York. I don't know where to tell people where to get their nails done. So it's been really cool to see the community thrive from an outside standpoint and also give my tips and tricks when I know the answer to something. So are you ever going to let me in? No, Michael, stop. You're obsessed with getting in. You're not coming in. Do you really want to talk about UTIs and vaginas?

And how do I connect with people? Are we going to start a new group, the him and her podcast group? I think we can create a subgroup. So I'll be in a subgroup. I'm'm like a okay i'm just a subcategory actually i don't think you can be in the subgroup because you have to be in the group to be in a subgroup well i'm going to create a new group called the him and her podcast and you're not allowed in okay michael okay fine you can come in one member michael bostick who out there will join the group i bet we could get some men in there too yeah a little that That way you can have men and women interacting together. It could be like a whole little men and women stew. Yeah. It could

be fun as stew. I don't, I mean, I don't know about that, but yeah, the group is amazing. If you guys want to join, just go to Facebook, search the skinny confidential, click groups, click join. You got to be a girl and you have to be very, um, open because it's definitely a nonjudgmental space, which has been cool to see. Everyone's super chill. There's no Judge Judy's in it. Everyone's different.

We're all just sharing what works for us, and it's been great so far, so I'm super excited about it. Okay, well, while you're in that group, one, I'm going to put a request out here to all the listeners, but two, ask the group if they want another group called the him and her podcast so that we can you know discuss nothing but the podcast because i feel like i need to be part of some group i can't just be out on my own like a lone wolf actually he's like actually really upset he's not part of the group taylor and i'll join we'll get some other people join get some men some what you know i've been getting snaps from male listeners they're

telling us that i'm not alone telling you know i'm out there i got people okay all right shout out to the two guys follow me the guy that called in and the other guy that just snapped me the other day one's one's your producer kevin kevin will be in the group he'll join the group kevin you're in kevin's like suspicious of that i don't know he's gonna join i might join okay so snap me or instagram me or lauren and talk to lauren you can i'll let your group talk about it talk about if we want to do a him and her podcast group. And then we can discuss show topics and all sorts of stuff. Second time of the day, I'm going to projectile on it. Okay, so let's get into our tip of the week.

Him and her tip of the week. Honey, I'll let you go first. One of the biggest themes of my life is hearing people say they don't have time to do things. They don't have time for this. They don't have time for that. And I'm getting to the point where I'm getting really frustrated, especially because a lot of the people telling me this are not just, you know, people that are, you know, outside of my life, but really like some inner circle people tell me this all the time.

So I've been doing this new experiment with people close to me where I asked them to carry like an old school stopwatch, or they can use an Apple watch, an Apple watch or a phone, probably not the phone, because probably a lot of the time you're wasting is on your phone. So what I do is I ask people to carry like an old school stopwatch or a timer of some kind. And what I want them to do is this, every time you are, I don't want to say wasting time, because maybe it's not a waste of time. But every time you're doing an activity like scrolling through social media, or watching watching Netflix or browsing around online or doing online shopping or just, you know, activities that I don't want to say are not productive, but are not,

I don't want to say enhancing your life either, but are not basically not producing the results you want, whether it's in your business or your relationship or your personal life or your family life, whatever it is, when you say you don't have time, I actually want you to start timing how much time is spent on Netflix, on social media, on online shopping, on whatever, I don't want to say bad habit, whatever habit it is that you have, start timing it and start writing down that time every time you do it at the end of the day in a journal, whatever, and see how much time is added up and then come back and say say you don't have time. I believe that everybody has time for anything they want to do in their life.

They just need to make it a priority. So try that tip and just start auditing your time. I've kind of talked about this in the past a little bit, but this is a real audit of time. Really track what you're doing, and then ask yourself, do I really not have time, or am I making excuses and wasting time?

What was that thing that Arnold Schwarzenegger said in his book? Well, it's one of my favorite things. He was giving a speech and I'm probably misquoting this because I've read the book a while ago, but he was giving a speech at a college and one of the kids stood up and basically said he didn't have time. And at the time, I think Arnold was working two jobs. He was acting in movies. He was working out. He was competing in Mr. Olympia. So he basically looked at the kid and said, listen, everybody has the same 24 hours in the day. And it's what you decided to do with those 24 hours. There's nobody that has, you know, time is a definite thing. You know, everybody's got the same amount of time. So, you know, whatever you decide to do with that time is

up to you. And again, it was basically like, there's no excuse. You have the time if you make the time. Good tip, honey. My tip is real different. It's kind of superficial, if we're being honest. It's about hair. I feel like that's fitting. It's the theme of the show. Ali Webb and Cameron Webb are on today.

So I got to talk about hair. The sleep bun. If you don't know what the sleep bun is, run to YouTube and type in the sleep bun. If you don't know what the sleep bun is, run to YouTube and type in the sleep bun and my face will pop up from like five years ago and it shows you a tutorial of how to do it. If you're just listening on a podcast right now and you don't have access to YouTube, let me tell you what it is. So basically it preserves a blowout. What I do is I go, I get a blowout and then that night I come home and I split my hair in half, middle part, and I roll it into a super low bun all one way. And then I clip it with an alligator clip so it doesn't get that annoying bump in it.

Do you guys know what I'm talking about? You know, that thing that makes your hair like kind of bumpy. Anyway, the alligator clip prevents that. So you just put it super low on your head. You put your little alligator clip on, you sleep. I like a silk pillowcase for this because it doesn't fuck up your hair. And you wake up the next morning, undo the alligator clip, spray a little bit of hair spray or texturizing spray. I like texturizing spray a lot right now in your hair. And you have like basically this fresh blowout. That is how I maintain my blowout spray a lot right now in your hair and you have like basically this fresh blowout. That is how I maintain my blowout for a week, sometimes a week and a half if we're being honest. And I think it's a great tip for people that don't want to wash their hair like me and

are lazy when it comes to ever washing their hair. Sorry, Michael, don't mean to gross you out. Okay, so make sure you guys check it out. There's also a post on the Skinny Confidential. Just Google the Skinny Confidential sleep bun. I'm telling you, it will change your life. Get on board with the sleep bun. Well, I'm on board. I feel like we could do a sleep bun with your hair. It's long enough.

It's too strong. There's too much. There's too much axle grease in my head. I mean, I haven't touched your hair since like, you know, 2001. It's so hard. Well, you've touched my hair, but it's not like my hair. It's the outer layer of all the stuff that's on it. Yeah. I'd love to actually like touched your hair since like, you know, 2001. It's so hard. Well, you've touched my hair, but it's not like my hair. It's the outer layer of all the stuff that's on it. Yeah, I'd love to actually like touch your hair.

It'd be nice. Don't you dare. All right. Okay. Michael does his own version of a sleep bun. With that, we are going to take a break and we will be back with Cameron and Ali Webb, founders of Drybar. This is Norman Lear with my great sidekick, Paul Hipp. Good to be here with you, Norman, on All of thebar. This is Norman Lear with my great sidekick, Paul Hipp.

Good to be here with you, Norman, on All of the Above. That's the name of my podcast, All of the Above. Yeah. We have had guests you cannot believe. Yeah. Yes. Julie Dilley-Dreyfus, amazing. And America Farrar.

Jared Carmichael. Yes. Oh, Amy Poehler. How did we overlook? We didn't overlook Amy Poehler. I was saving her for last. And Charles Barkley, I was saving him for first, actually, because I didn't declare her first.

I get to hang out with this guy, and this is your chance to hang out with Norman Lear a little bit here and some of these great guests. God, I wish I was you hanging out with Norman Lear. Yeah. Son of a gun. See? That must be exciting.

It's the best. I'm telling you. Don't miss all of the above with Norman Lear. The first episode's available Monday, May 1st, on the Podcast One app, Apple Podcasts, or PodcastOne.com. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Okay, you guys. Today we have Cameron and Allie Webb, the founder of my home, a.k.a. Dry Bar.

Allie opened her first Dry Bar in 2010 and has since opened 74 locations in 11 states. Is that right? That's right. Is it 11 states? I think 13 states. 13 states. I never know that number. Am I taking over the world?

Yeah, that's all you really need to know. You also recently published a book, The Dry Bar Guide to Good Hair for All, How to Get the Perfect Blowout at Home, and you guys have created a career in public relations you've working with clients like faith hill paul mccartney keith urban you're a professional hairstylist and trained by tony and guy and cameron her husband the creative director and founder they're kind of a power couple before we get into it i just want to let you guys know how incredibly efficient i think dry bar is i kind of already told, but it always has the best Wi-Fi to work on my computer while I double fist with a cucumber water and a glass of champagne. I blog, I get some emails done, I catch a buzz, I get a blowout all at once. It's kind of my heaven. So thank you guys for coming in and creating such

an amazing space. I like the catch a buzz. We might maybe need to add that to our tagline. I always do. No color, just blowouts and catch a buzz. And I take an Uber there sometimes so I can work in the car at home. That's great. It's amazing. So tell us your story, how you guys met. You just kind of told us, which was amazing, and how you came up with this idea. Well,

we met when we were both living in New York City gosh, 15 years ago? Yeah, maybe 16. Yeah. And at the time I was kind of on a hiatus from doing hair even though I'd been doing hair on and off for 20 years.

And Cam was working in advertising and we met without giving you too many sort of details at a little bar called Hell in the meatpacking district before the meatpacking district was what it is now.

Again, this was like 15 years ago and it was like literally meat hanging on the street. Yes, it was a very different time of our life. It was probably, did you say 3 in the morning? Maybe 4 in the morning? I left that detail out. And it was owned by good friends of ours, owned this little bar, and it was called Hell,

and we used to all hang out there. And one night I ran into Cam,, it was actually, truth be told, a gay bar. But Cameron used to go there because he always said there was cute girls at gay bars. And the guys would buy me free drinks. That is smart. I was friends with the DJ and he was really good. So I would show up and the guys would buy me drinks. There would always be some cute girl there with her gay friends and I

would be the only straight guy. That is efficient. Genius. Wow. But when I met Allie, it was, like I said, it was so late and I had gone up to the bar. I had grabbed a drink and I turned right as she turned and I saw her and my mouth dropped and I said, you're the most beautiful girl I've ever seen. And then I blushed because I was like, oh my God, that was so cheesy.

And it just came out. But she blushed. And meanwhile, standing behind me was her friend pointing at me being like, he's straight. He's straight. That is so cute. So you guys met in a gay bar called Hell. It was a match made in Hell. That's very, very cute.

We started talking and we didn't stop. And I literally moved into her apartment the next day. And we were together every day since. So how are you guys? You're living together. You're creating this relationship. Do you one day just say to him, you know, there's this niche that I see, this white noise?

No, so much later. So at that point in my life, I just was trying to find a husband, get married, have babies. I was like, I had major babies in the brain. And after a year of being married, after being together for about a year, we got engaged, got married, and then

I got pregnant after we were together, after we were married for a year. We got engaged, got married, and then I got pregnant after we were together, after we were married for a year. And then we moved to L.A. to get Cameron, got another great job in advertising. We moved to L.A. And I became a stay-at-home mom. I was at home with my boys, our boys, who are now 9 and 12.

I always say my. It drives them crazy. My house. My business. She doesn't say the exact thing. She is normal, babe. You guys should hang out. I know.

I'm like, babe, everybody knows it's we. It's not just me. She refers to my life as basically her life. I don't have anything left. Anyways, so we have two little boys who are 9 and 12. And the first five years when I stayed home and I was a stay-at-home mom, which I was so happy to do. I loved being home. I loved being a mom and I still do. But after, you know, five years of staying home with my kids, I just started to get a little

stir crazy and was like, oh my God, I have to get out of the house and away from my kids for a little while. And because I'd had so much background and training and hair, and I have really naturally curly hair myself. So I've been like, it's been like this lifelong quest to get perfect hair my whole life. And so that's when I went to cam and I was like, you know, I think I kind of want to start a mobile blow dry business where I can like, you know, the kids can be at preschool for a couple hours, I can do some of my my mommy friends who were always asking me to blow out their hair anyways, and just go to their houses like while their babies are sleeping. I was so immersed in the mommy community in L.A. at that time. So Cam thought it was a great idea.

I also went to my brother, Michael, who's another founder with us, and he thought it was a great idea. And so Cameron made me this little one-page website called Straight at Home. It was really cute. I came up with the name. It was just a couple of little pages. I was very proud. And what was really neat about that is, for me, being in advertising, I was always creating work for other brands.

And so I actually never really saw, like, what happened when you put out an ad. And when we put out this website for Straight at Home with her phone number on it, the phone rang. And I remember it was, like, a first, like, real marketing lesson for me because Cam's like, if we make it cute, people will call you. And I just remember him saying that. And sure enough, the website was, like, one page, but it was super cute. real marketing lesson for me because cam's like if we make it cute people will call you and i and i just remember him saying that and sure enough the website was like one page and but it was super cute and people were calling me left and right and so that was such a neat that was so exciting like a thrill to be like holy shit people are calling me and and then i could back it up because i'm good at doing hair and so i started this business and i literally was like i had a ford

xterra and a big duffel bag of like brushes and irons and I'd go to people's homes and blow dry their hair. And I was only charging $40. So I don't actually think I made any money between gas and everything else in L.A. But it was a great way to get out of the house. I loved it. I was talking to adults and I felt like a sense of independence and I was doing something for myself. And, you know, I'm a big believer in everything happens for a reason. And as I'm operating this business and I'm getting so busy and having to say no to clients all the time, because I only had so much time is that to pick

up my kids and all of that, I, you know, I, I, it kind of started to dawn on me like, man, there's no place to go from, for my clients who I can't do. And I'd say like, what do you do when I can't come to your home? The response was always the same. It was either I like sneak into the fantastic Sam's, which great business, but not ideal for like a blowout and feeling like pretty and posh and all the things you love about dry bar. Or they'd go to their cut and color salon where they're overpaying for a blowout. They're getting pressured to get cut and color and all that other stuff. So that's when Michael Cameron and I really started talking about dry bar, turning my mobile business into a brick and mortar. And instead of me going to them,

them come to me. And that's really how the whole idea really got started. And, you know, Cameron had a great job in advertising. And my brother, Michael was, was running a real estate marketing business at the time. And we were all kind of like, it was the middle of a recession too. It was 2010. And we were all kind of like, okay, the middle of a recession, too. It was 2010. And we were all kind of like, okay, this could be good for Allie. It'll be like, I'll have a little bit of an income. I can probably make one shop work. And I can pick up my kids from school. And that was kind of like our plan.

That was it. So no franchise, nothing. No business plan. It was very small. What's so interesting about that is we talk about this a lot. And I think in my own experience and in Lauren's, I think people run into a lot of trouble when they think so big and then they try to execute on that and they, like say you

if you were thinking, hey I want to do this big dry bar concept, it probably never would have started but just doing something small like creating a website and using the strengths and the capabilities that you had at the time led to this you know, this behemoth now that you have but if you would have said in the beginning we're going to have 77 stores and try to,

this probably never would have got started. Yeah. Exactly. People ask often, like, how did you do it? And I think time, you know, it started with one and it started small. It was a small little shop. Where was the first location? Brentwood.

Brentwood. And it was so neat because the day we opened, we were so slammed. I mean, there were so many women there and it was such an exciting. It was such a thrill. I mean, Michael and again, Michael and Cam were, you know, Cam was still at his job. Michael was still doing his thing. And Sarah, Michael's wife and I were basically like, I mean, it turned out we were in the store for like, I feel like I never left for the first like six months I was there around

the clock and Sarah and I were always there. And I remember that first day, like, I was there around the clock. And Sarah and I were always there. And I remember that first day. I think we still have a picture of you crying because we were like, holy shit. People love it. And we used to have on our windows walk-ins always welcome, which we always really try to accommodate walk-ins. But at the time, we didn't know if people were going to book online or if people were just going to walk in. Or we didn't know how the behavior was going to be. And sure enough, it was a little bit of everything.

And women were walking in that opening day and they were pissed because we couldn't get them in. And my brother was like, I don't think you should bring on too many stylists the first day. Like, nobody knew what to expect. I mean, we were so blown away. It was a tidal wave of women. It was crazy.

And then it just never really stopped. And then I was like, I remember calling my brother and being like, Michael, you have to find us more spaces. We can't handle the demand in just Brentwood. And then Studio City was our second one. And then West Hollywood. And then it just... And has the branding started?

I'm a huge fan of the branding. Thank you so much. I honestly am so big. I tell all the girls that want to start blogs, you can't, you got to start with an aesthetic and it's got to go through every platform and every medium and it needs to shine through and people need to know exactly what they're getting. And I feel like the branding is like insane. Was the branding, if I remember right, because I'm a huge fan of Drybar, it started with

what it is right now, right? Yeah, it's really has stayed the same. Yeah. And for me coming from advertising and previously having clients, it was so nice to be my own client and really decide exactly what I wanted to do and the color palette that I thought we should use. And it was great. And it was funny.

When Cam was developing the website, which was also kind of a funny situation because I was like, before the business actually opened and I was running my mobile business and we all had our other jobs, we'd be on our laptops in bed until like two in the morning and Cam would be working and showing me stuff and then I'd be showing Michael. And the website was like dark gray and yellow. And I remember so many people were like, you're going to make this like very girly business dark gray. And Cam, you know, Michael and I felt, you know, like again, and I think this is a huge

part of our success is that we all have our very different skill sets and we all kind of let each other lead that. Really trust each other. And trust each other. And Cameron felt really strongly that this gray was the way to go because he, sorry to talk for you, but he always like would look at other brands and other things that people are doing. And he's like, everything's pink. Like, we don't need to be another pink, girly brand. Let's be strong. I want it to be sophisticated.

Too predictable. I totally agree. Exactly. So, I mean, I feel like the second I heard blowout bar, I was like, oh, that is genius. I mean, I've heard so many women say, I wish I invented that because it's such white noise. Before we get into all the deets about Ali's book,

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They have this melt that's like a complete multitasker. Basically, you can use it anywhere, head to toe. It's a lot of hydration. Your skin like takes it in in the best way possible. You guys know if you listen to the podcast before that my favorite is their coconut body glow because it gives you a little bit of shimmer and dew with the oil. It's kind of like the best medley ever. Say hello to the best skin and hair of your life with Kopari. Go to koparibeauty.com slash skinny to get 20% off your order. That's kopari, K-O-P-A-R-I, beauty.com slash skinny for 20% off. koparibeauty.com slash skinny. So how does the book come about after you've opened the stores?

Well, you know, so like we said in the beginning, it just went crazy and we had to keep opening stores and we've, you know, we're up to almost 75 stores today. So there's just such incredible demand because luckily so many women feel like you and, you know, they get really excited about the idea of getting a blowout and having great hair, you know. And it's funny, just real quick, you know, if you like harken back to like our grandmothers and our grandmother's generation of like how they would get their hair like coiffed and wouldn't touch it. It's like that went away. That behavior went away. And I feel like we kind of brought that back and modernized it with Drybar and gave women permission and access to get, you know, great hair again and not, you know, because most women can't do their own hair or can't do it well. But anyways, and that's kind of, I guess, you know, a little bit of the catalyst of the book. I mean, I was approached to do a book because there really isn't another book in the marketplace that's just focused on blowouts. I mean, there's some amazing books and

I have lots of books that are like, you know, beauty and hair and wellness and great, all these great things, but similar to just to dry bar where we just focus on hair and blowouts and that's it. That's what the book does. You know, and I feel like, you know, what is it like Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours makes you an expert? Like, you know, I feel like I have put that in and times that. And this book is kind of all of this knowledge that I've accumulated since, honestly, since I was a little girl to having professional training, to having dry bar, to knowing what works and what doesn't work. And so we kind of like put – I tried to put as much of that information into a book. So it was something that women who don't have access to a Drybar have this book, this guidebook really to help them.

And it's been really gratifying. I mean the book made the New York Times bestseller list. And women come up to me all the time and they're like, you know, I always was bangs wrong until i read your book and they didn't realize they were doing this with that so there's like a little something in it for everybody there's not like a way for girls to learn how to do their hair unless their mom knew how to do it right i mean so i think this is really helpful because we see i mean i really know how to style hair now just watching way more about and writing all of our videos and it's so you know you see so many girls who have done their hair, but it's just not great. And it's just because they're just not doing it right.

So this book really kind of gives you insight on the right way to do it. And who has time? Here's the thing. That's true. Like, now time is currency. Like, I want to do Postmates while I take an Uber. Like, I want to take my time and put it into my business. So that's why this is so genius because you can multitask.

Yes. We hear people say, we talk to different people about women who go to dry bar and women who don't. And oftentimes I'll hear the women will say, well, I don't have time to get a blowout. And in reality, it's really a time saver because you can sit there, you can work on your phone, you can get work done while somebody else takes care of your hair. And then you don't have to do it for days. So it's even more of a time saver. Because you know, when you have a blowout, like you have good a good two, three, four, if you're Andrea in our office, two weeks. I mean,

just, you know, there's so many different, there's so many ways to like extend your blowout with all of our products and dry shampoos and whatever. So it's like, it's such a time saver. And we're, so there are, you know, of course there are women who don't go to dry bar. Are there men that go? Well, in West Hollywood, I can see you going. No, for me, I don't know if it Bar. Are there men that go? Well, in West Hollywood.

I can see you going. No, for me. I don't know if it worked for me. You have good hair. I got like axle grease in this thing. So I don't know if they're going to be able to. He loves his hair. I don't think anything can blow this down.

He takes longer to use hair. You have good hair. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, God. Sadly, Cameron doesn't have any. Wait. People can't see me.

I actually have a really great head of hair. It's long flowing. It's like a mane. Yes. You can't see it. I'm 6'2", very well built. of hair. It's long flowing. It's like a mane. You can't see it. I'm 6'2", very well built. Beautiful hair. I let my blowout from Drybar last

for a week and a half unless I want. Sometimes I'll just go in and have them do a ponytail and put my extensions in and do like a Kim K ponytail. But I've found that by using the Drybar alligator clip and I did a YouTube video on this, with the Drybar dry shampoo that I do a sleep bun every night. And I do like a low sleep bun and there's a whole YouTube thing where I did a YouTube video on this with the dry bar dry shampoo that I do a sleep bun every night.

And I do like a low sleep bun and there's a whole YouTube thing where I did it with my yellow dry bar clip and then I do dry shampoo the next day. And it's perfect. And Michael's not allowed to touch my hair. And it works great. So I do think that it's definitely a time saver.

Yeah, I mean we do. We have so many tips and tricks like that. Like our high top rollers, they're like our Velcro rollers in yellow. I tell women to put them, if they don't do like a low saver. Yeah, I mean, we do. We have so many, like, tips and tricks like that. Like, our high-top rollers are like our Velcro rollers in yellow. I tell women to put them, if they don't do, like, a low bun like you do, like, sleep with it in your crown and put dry shampoo in it and then roll it and clip it. And then you don't get that, like, split in your hair. Or, like, cat butt. You call that cat butt. Cat butt.

That is so funny. You know, we have 100 proof. I don't know if you've used that. But you should use it on your beard. Okay. You don't have a huge proof. I don't know if you've used that, but you should use it on your beard. Okay. You don't have a huge beard, but it's like. I used to have a huge beard, but I had to get it off. No, it's so great.

And I mean, I love it. Dry bar now for men. For the men out there, 100 proof. So, well, beards are a big thing right now. Yeah, he loves his beard. Yeah, I had to calm it down. I had too much hair going on. I'm brushing his eyebrows right now.

Well, because you have a lot of like head hair. He doesn't have any head hair, so he can do a real bushy beard. Yeah, I had to calm it down. I had too much hair going on. I'm brushing his eyebrows right now. Well, because you have a lot of head hair. He doesn't have any head hair, so he can do a real bushy beard. One time I grew a really, really long Vato mustache. Let's not go back to that. She didn't like it. So this, obviously, Drybar's been a huge success, and it's, you know,

Lauren basically lives there. If I ever lose her, I know where to go find her. But I kind of want to go back and hear if there were, what were the struggles along the way to get it to where it is now? Because you guys have 77 stores. I can't imagine how many employees 3,000. Legal hurdles probably. There's a lot. Copycats. Never the same though. Having a little experience of my own, it's not easy to build something like this.

So I just kind of want to go back and what were the biggest hurdles to get to where it is now? Well, I mean, there are a lot of different, some little, some big. I mean, when you think about operationally, it means such a silly thing that I always talk about is that we don't have phones in our shops. I mean, you know that you don't call the shop. You call basically a virtual call center because the phone volume is so incredibly high. Even though you can book online and we have an app, but people still call. Well, when we first opened Brentwood, we had the person working the front desk. Unfortunately, that was me for the first two weeks, was trying to check women in, check women out, and answer the phone and talk on the phone while there was

eight blow dryers blowing right next to me. And loud music. And loud music. I mean, it was impossible. And so it felt like we were not giving women standing in front of us a good experience or women on the phone a good experience. And that's when we decided that we need to pull the phones out of the shops and make it a pleasant experience when you call So there's not all this background.

You can actually talk to somebody. And now we have like, I don't know, it's like 60 or something people answering the phone on a daily basis. So we quickly found ourself in like the call center business, which was like, what? You know, a whole different business. And just, you know, and that, I think that's been,

you know, the hard part in growing the business is like expanding it and the efficiency and having to hire a lot of people and let a lot of other people make decisions and giving up a lot of the control. Because it's one thing when you have one or two or three stores. I mean, when we had three stores, I used to constantly circuit all of them. We have 75 now. It's impossible for me to do that. And we have a corporate office of like, I don't know, 70, 80 people. I think 90 people in Orange County.

That are, you know, between HR and retail and product and finance. And, you know, it's just, it's massive. And I think that's more of a personal struggle for us, for Cameron, for my brother. You know, it's like we have to, you have to like allow the business to grow and scale. And, you know, and then I feel like it was like 2014 that we really took a step back from opening any more stores. Cause you know, cause it's like, we kind of constantly grapple with wanting to open more stores cause there's so much demand, but then having to like pull back and, you know, get

our infrastructure in place and make sure all of our systems are working, which, you know, sometimes when we were, we were, I feel like it was like 2014, we were just going so fast that we were like, we had to take a break from opening stores and like get our act together and make sure like all our systems were running. And it's just like, and then there's 3000 employees. Which is 3000 problems. Yeah. And they're all women.

So there's different dynamics. And it's like, and it's like, what makes our stylists so incredible, and I just, I mean, I've always loved the hair industry. I love our stylists.

You know, it's like, they're these amazing, creative, fun people who can be, like myself, a little flaky,

you know? And sometimes it's like, you know, getting people to work on time and getting, you know, which is like, you know,

something that, as a stylist, I personally identify with and struggle with myself. I'm pretty late. Well, I think what happens with your scale up, So is like, you know, something that as a stylist, I personally identify with and struggle with myself. I'm late. Well, I think what happens when you scale up. So am I. Don't worry.

I'm always calling the call center to be like, I'm 15 minutes away. I think they know me by first name basis now. When you scale a business and you're starting out, it's a lot of fun in the beginning, right? And you're new things and you're doing marketing, especially for you, like probably coming from the client services business, you get, you're not eating shit anymore from someone else and you're doing your own thing, which is great. So you're having a lot of fun in the beginning. But as it grows, you start to realize, at least in my own experience, that your job basically becomes putting fires out on a daily basis. Yes.

And so it changes. It's different. It goes from, hey, this is like a new fun thing to really like putting fires out. And especially when you're an entrepreneur, you know, it's like you have this idea and you're so excited and then you do it and everybody loves it and you're like and then all of a sudden we have this big business to run and we need people you know to help us we brought in a professional ceo a couple of years ago which was like a decision i was actually pretty against my brother was ceo and i didn't i didn't want to bring in a ceo because i thought it would change the whole you know would change the whole culture.

And it just would, you know, again, another one of those stepping stones to like building and growing and scaling. And it turned out to be like one of the best things we ever did. This guy, John Hefner, who came from the beauty industry, he ran OPI Nails before Drybar. So he turned out to be like such a blessing in disguise. And we have a lot of people like that in our organization now that I was very apprehensive about bringing on because you just – it just turns into something else. You really can't help that and you have to embrace it. It is scary. You know, the agency I was at before Drybar was called Secret Weapon and the founder there is a guy named Dick Sittig who was a genius and was such a great mentor for me. And one of the things he always talked about is he kept that agency very small because

he wanted to ensure that everybody there was an A-level person. And when you get bigger, it's harder to make sure that all those people are A's, you know? And I think that's one of the stressful things about growing a company so big is you just end up with so many people. And it's like this, you know, you want everyone to be great. And, you know, I mean, that we've we've drawn amazing people you know we have such an intense training program now for our stylists which we didn't actually have in the beginning i mean it was like people used to come to my house and blow out my hair and that's how i hired them you know i

mean now it's like a much more you know intense robust system where we're training people we're breaking down all of our hairstyles. They're going through a boot camp. And we have people who are constantly monitoring them. We have this rate your blowout, which I'm sure you know about after you come in and we email you to get your feedback. So, you know, I mean, listen, in more ways than not, it's amazing having these great people who have great ideas who can help you grow the business.

And I mean, Kevin, I always joke around that without Michael, there'd probably be like three dry bars. Or maybe even one. There'd be one dry bar with really amazing branding. You know, Michael really had the business sense and know-how to grow the business. And product. I'm curious about product. Because how do you transition into that? Because your product is really good.

Like the smell's right. The branding. I'm sorry, I'm obsessed with the branding. Thank you. The matte bottles. Like, I the smells right, the branding. I'm sorry, I'm obsessed with the branding. Thank you. The matte bottles. Like I just really, really like it. So how do you go from what you were doing with, you're focusing on this and then you transition to product?

It's so funny. I mean, we kind of had to. Yeah. You know, and especially in the first, the first product was the blow dryer. And I always tell people. No, that was not the first product. It wasn't? No.

Because in the beginning, so we had about 11 stores maybe, which is when Michael, my brother, realized. And this is like, again, the beauty of having Michael is that he always kind of thinks ahead. And he was like, if we're going to keep growing this thing, we need to raise some real money, which is when we started talking to different private equity companies. And that's when we joined forces with Castanea, who's our private equity partner out of Boston. And at the time, we were talking and thinking about product. I really wanted to develop product because I was using all different kinds of brands in the shop. And I felt like it was like a mishmash and they didn't all go together.

And it was just like not working for me. And so I was like dreaming of doing a product line, but I really had no idea how to start it. And when Castanea came along, one of the members, Janet Gerwich, who actually founded Laura Mercier Cosmetics, was part of Castanea who now is on our board as well. And she came along and she was like, I can help you. I can introduce you to all the labs. I can introduce you to the right people. And like sure enough, she did. And so labs who really wouldn't talk to me because we were so small at that point before

Janet came along, were starting to talk to us. And, you know, we were kind of selling them on this idea. Castaneda was investing all this money and we were going to build out the product line, which, by the way, nobody internally thought it was like everybody was kind of like, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. You know, and I I felt pretty strongly about it. Yeah, because there just wasn't a line out there that worked for everything that we needed. I mean, the number of different women and hair types that we get through Drybar, we

needed, we needed a line that could accommodate everybody. And we also wanted products that would really help make a blowout last, you know, so all the products are very lightweight, so your hair doesn't fall flat. So there was like a real, there was a real need for these. But let me get back to Buttercup though, because I'm obsessed with this thing. Okay, but Buttercup was not. Okay, we'll take that away. Just saying.

Blowdryers. Blowdryers are not meant. Just want to be on the record for that. Blowdryers are not meant to be on all day long. And our stylists are standing there with the blowdryer up above their head on all day blowing women's hair. And we were going through blowdryers like crazy. Yeah, there was like a graveyard. Cords were exploding.

There was like fires on the blow dryers. They just weren't meant to be used like that. And so we really needed to find the ultimate blow drying tool. And so we ended up with eventually Buttercup. And this thing is so amazing because it's super lightweight. The girls are holding it above their heads so their arms get very tired. So it's a really lightweight blow dryer. It's super strong. It dries actually 20% faster a really lightweight blow dryer. It's super strong.

It dries actually 20% faster than any other blow dryer. Cameron's sold, Michael. He wants one. Cameron's going on QVC later. And it's like we call it a conditioner with a cord because it uses ionic technology. So there's negative ions that go into your hair. You should go on QVC. You're really good at this, man.

Get him out there. I mean, he knows. What's funny is it's like I've had so many girls who have gotten it and been like, oh, my God. I had no idea that there's like a true difference in blow dryers. And this thing really is. It's awesome. It's the cat's ass. We couldn't have done it without Buttercup. We could have done it.

But Buttercup came later because it was kind of like a progression. Tell us what Buttercup is, though, for those that don't know. Oh, it's our blow dryer. It's our yellow blow dryer. Oh, that's what. Yes. I'm so sorry. Oh, no, the blow dryer. Buttercup is. Okay, then oh no the blow dryer is okay and also also our little our little logo the little

yellow hanging blow dryer that's also called buttercup and for the first year we called it the little yellow hanging blow dryer that's where i see that when i'm in dry bar but i'm like where do i see that it's on the blow dryer well it's kind of on a lot of things but it's part of the logo you know it's like says dry bar and then buttercup is hanging down and we kind of on a lot of things it is the blow dryer but it's part of the logo you know it's like says dry bar and then buttercup is hanging down and we kind of gave this name to buttercup because we used to refer to it as upside down blow dryer and that was such a mouthful and then she became buttercup she has a bio on the

website and everything why didn't you bring her you should have brought her she could have had a mic damn it no no no not for me she could have had her own mic we actually have a very funny video where Allie interviews buttercup it's true. I think it's on the Buttercup product page. To be honest, I don't need a blow dryer because I've never once washed my hair at my house and I've lived there for three years.

Really? And that is a true story. I cannot tell you how many women tell me that they don't wash their own hair anymore. It's like the music to my ears. They don't have shampoo in their showers anymore. When all my hair fell out, I was able to stop washing it as well. I just don't ever wash it either, but it's not... It's probably just different yeah it's a different thing maybe it's a different podcast it's for unsanitary but anyway so the product you know that was in about i don't know

that was like 2012 or right that we started the product and and now we have how many skis like a lot i'm not sure yeah i mean and the product now we have our our three-day bender which is our curling iron which is also great we have a flat ironday bender, which is our curling iron, which is also great. We have a flat iron. That is amazing. I mean, we've just, you know, we've, and the great thing about our product is that, you know, they, the ideas for them come in a lot of different ways.

Sometimes, like, I dream them up. Sometimes it's things that our stylists are asking for. Sometimes it's things that clients are asking for. But ultimately, oh, look, there's Michael. Michael's calling us right now. Michael's calling us right now. He's here in spirit. But, you know, the great thing about our product is once I kind of get a product to the point where I'm happy with it and my team's happy with it, then we send it out into the field and our stylists try it.

And they are, like, as honest as can be. And it's great because you get all this feedback. So any product that actually makes it to our shelves has been vetted by, you know, not only me and my team, but, but a bunch of different dry bar stylists who try it on clients and each other. So I think that's why the products are good. And it's so nice to hear you say that. And people have loved the product and we've been so humbled by the response to the product, but it's like, they are really tried and true. And you know, the nothing hits, I mean, and I've, I've pulled products like weeks before launch because it just wasn't right. You know, we're so careful about what we launch. And, you know, you can.

A lot of people put, like, a lot of thought into the launch of a product or the launch of a business, and they don't do what you're talking about, which is testing it or getting consumer feedback. And it's like, you can put all this amazing work, all this amazing branding, but at the end of the day, the product doesn't work. The product has to be good. We are going to get the secret sauce, the secret real deal product from Allie in a minute. But first, I'm going to tell you guys about Blue Apron. All right.

Who's hungry for some baby broccoli and fontina paninis with hard-boiled egg and arugula salad? Because I got you covered. Whoa. Are you going to be cooking that for me? How's that for some cooking energy? Wow. Well, let's talk to be cooking that for me? How's that for some cooking energy? Wow. Well, let's talk about Blue Apron on that note. Blue Apron is the number one fresh ingredient or recipe delivery service in the country, and Michael clearly loves it. It's been making my

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All right, that's blueapron.com slash him and her, Blue Apron, a better way to cook. If you guys had to pick a product that my readership and audience absolutely needs, like if they can buy one product... Oh, boy. I know the one I would pick, but I want to hear what you guys would pick, because maybe it's different than the one I would pick. Man, that is a loaded question. I mean, I feel like, honestly, probably the dryer because if you're blow-drying your hair at home, you need a professional dryer, and I feel like most people just kind of skimp out on that

because really good dryers are more expensive. But I guess if you're blow-drying your hair yourself, it's the dryer. But for somebody like you, who I know doesn't get blowouts a lot, I'd say it's, I mean, who gets blowouts a lot and doesn't blow out their own hair, I'd say it's probably detox dry shampoo. What about the hair oil, though? The 100 Proof? Yeah.

Oh, no, it's so good. That one's a good one. Have you tried Prep Rally yet? No. That is a really good one, too. They've probably put it on your hair. They've probably. It's like vitamins and nutrients and biotin and all, and it's a detangler, and it makes

your hair feel great. It's for the health of your hair. Okay. It's a vitamins and nutrients and biotin and it's a detangler and it makes your hair feel great. It's for the health of your hair. Okay. It's a good one. You put it in when your hair's wet and you come up with it before you blow dry. And it kind of primes your hair for all the other products you're going to put in it as well. And have you seen our new detox whipped? No, that's weird.

I think I might have that. Not the whip, though. No, it's brand spanking new. We literally launched it this week. Wait, do I have detox, though, something? You probably have our detox original like powder based formula. This is our like it's basically like, it looks like whipped cream

but it's like, it is dry shampoo. There's some cute pictures of it on the Instagram. Oh, we gotta show this on my Snapchat. It's kind of a lighter version of regular detox. It's actually making me kind of hungry. I know. Michael needs some of that too.

It's like a lighter weight dry hungry. I know. Michael needs some of that, too. He loves. It's like a lighter weight dry shampoo, and it completely disappears into your hair once you use it. And we're so excited. It's kind of like the next generation of dry shampoo. I can't put it in my hair because I have this thing on my head. This looks amazing. Kim, maybe we can put it in your beard. Yeah, show us.

It looks great. Look at how great he is. You guys should see that she's putting it in his beard and he's just smiling. You should let me do that. You don't even let me touch your hair. You're so weird about your hair products. No, no. He's like, yeah. Okay, so you guys have done all this amazing stuff. What is next? Do you have

a next? Are you just going to continue to open locations? Not just, but are you going I mean, that's a huge undertaking. Are you just going to continue to open locations not just but are you going i mean that's a huge undertaking are you just going to continue to run this tiny business or what this little business well we do have a lot of locations opening we actually are opening here in la in the americano tomorrow which is very exciting and we're opening in austin soon so we have a lot of new stores opening and then a lot of push on product and more products opening. We're going international with our products. We're going to France and Australia.

Your book is getting published? My book is getting published in France and Russian. In French and Russian, which is so weird and awesome. I'm going to leave all the info on her book, you guys, on the Skinny Confidential too, so you can check it out. I have it in my office. It's a beautiful, again, branded book.

Did you design the cover? You know, I was involved. In the beginning, I did literally everything. And now I have about nine designers underneath me who help me with everything. So there's a girl, Andrea Rell, who's amazing. And she really was involved with the design of the book. She's also the girl who doesn't wash her hair for two weeks. That's amazing.

I've been known to do that, though, too. I've been very lucky to have found some really good team. Yeah, and, you know, Abrams published the book, and they knew how crazy we were about branding and aesthetic, and they really gave us a lot of control on designing the book. And Andrea really kind of led the charge on the aesthetic of the book, and Cameron kind of oversaw it. And so, yeah, no, we couldn't be more thrilled with how it came out. It's still so trippy to me that I'm like a published author. It's beautiful. You've done a lot.

I mean, I'm amazed. And you're a mother of two. That's crazy. Crazy boys. That's crazy. Okay, so the last question before you guys go. If you guys could go back and give yourself some advice when starting Drybar, what would it be?

If you go back in time and knowing what you know now. For anyone who's out there listening. And this is more because we have a younger audience. I'd say not too young, but a lot of young professionals trying to get their start. So if you could go back. Well, let me just say this. It's not really going back, but I think the thing that's been so fortunate for us is that there was three of us. A lot of people are trying to start businesses on their own. And with the three of us, Allie really being the hair expert, Michael really understanding business and getting

investors involved, and me being able to do all the branding and the marketing and the website. And then we also had a good friend of Michael named Josh Heitler, who was our architect. And so all four of us had very different skill sets, but really trusted each other because we're all owners of the business and we're all, you know, completely have complete faith in each other. So we really let each person do what they did best and let them do that.

And I think that's been a real key to our success. You focused on each other's strengths instead of focusing on improving weaknesses. It's hard when you're starting a business by yourself and you don't have those partners who, you know, I mean, you can't possibly know everything about everything. And so you have to lean on people and you have to, like, find people that you trust and have a partnership. And, you know, like Cameron said, having those skill sets, but also just have somebody that you trust to, like, bounce ideas off of. I mean, we all constantly say, like, hey, what do you think about this?

What do you think about this? And having somebody that you implicitly trust is really important. Because sometimes an employee is not going to tell you how they feel because they don't want to, you know, they don't want to hurt your feelings or whatever. And I also feel like all four of us worked around the clock

for probably three or four months leading up to the opening of that first shop. And we worked so hard. And so if you're just one person trying to do that, there's no way you can do it. You have to have people. Yeah, you all kind of lean on each other. And I feel like throughout, I mean, gosh, we're seven years into it now.

And I feel like there's different times when one of us is on the verge of a breakdown. And it's like, okay, only one of us can be on the verge of a breakdown. The other two have to hold that person up. And I mean, it happens a lot. There are times that one of the three of us like gets really burnt out and just like can't do it for a minute and, you know, and vice versa. And like, again, having that support system of, I mean, and we're lucky cause we're family. Um, but which a lot of people think is crazy that like I work with my brother and my husband,

but they happen to be like my best friend. So I felt very lucky and we all like love each other and love the business and it's very exciting, but it is a support system too. It is. And I think the family part of it, you know, because we each have a kind of our own lanes and our own skill sets, we don't really step on each other's toes too much. So there's not that. That's really important.

Yeah. There's not a real battle internally about what I want to do versus what Allie wants to do. We really kind of let each other do our things. You know, what's funny is a lot of people, like obviously everybody knows Disney and Walt Disney gets a lot of credit, but people don't realize that his brother Roy Disney was with him the whole time and basically saved his ass multiple times from going under. And if he wasn't there, it wouldn't be, Disney wouldn't be what it is today.

Yeah. Yeah, like Cameron was saying in the business, I get, in the beginning, I get a lot of the credit. I can't tell you how many times people have come up to me and been like, oh, my God, your wife started a red dry bar. Oh, my God, your wife owns dry bar. You guys know, though. god, your wife started a red dry bar. Oh my god, your wife owns dry bar. You guys know though. That sounds familiar. On your end or mine? Just kidding. I think that's great advice. I think that's amazing advice and I think anyone who's listening got

so much value out of this podcast. Where can everyone find you guys? Give us all the details, your book, your handle. Our dry bar is at thedrybar.com. We also have an app where you can book your blowouts. You can go on Amazon and buy my book. You can get all our products on the website. You can go to Sephora.

We're at Sephora. We're at Ulta, Nordstrom. Am I missing anything? If you want to see cute pictures of our kids, go to at Mr. Cam Web. If you want to see some cute pictures of our kids, you can check out my Instagram, Allie Webb. And Drybar's Instagram, of course. We're showcasing our stylists all the time and what they're doing in and out of our 70-plus shops. And I have to shout out my stylist at Drybar because she's been my stylist for four years, Sean.

She's amazing. And she's at the Del Mar location so you guys have to go see her. Ask her for the Skinny Confidential Special. And there's another one opening in San Diego soon. Yay, where?

I knew you were going to ask that. Downtown probably. Okay, that's closer to my house but I still have to drive to see Shawn. That's a great location and they did such a great job on the renovation

of that shop. I love Marie too. That whole center. We were first opening there. I was Marie, too. That whole center. We were first opening there. I was like, um... That place is old school. That's the old stomping grounds for me. But then the renovation is unbelievable. It's gorgeous.

We met in sixth grade at that mall. You did? Have you been together ever since? No. She's been chasing me a long time. It's delusion. That's the problem in our go to We needed to go off for a little

while. All right, you guys, make sure it's at Drybar or at the Drybar? The Drybar. At the Drybar on Instagram.

Definitely check Mr. Cam Webb and Allie Webb out on Instagram. Thank you guys so much for coming. You're both

incredible. So inspiring. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening. We are so grateful for your support.

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