The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #61: Weslie & Bronson Christensen on Parenting and Pushing Through the Struggle of life as young parents

Episode Date: May 2, 2017

Weslie & Bronson Christensen join Lauryn & Michael to chat about how they met, getting married & having kids at a very young age, why you should tune people out & do what feels right when it comes to parenting, not stopping the progression of your family when finances are rough, advice on handling your children when they act out, constantly evolving as a couple, and they discuss their new YouTube channel with their children "Itty Bitty Christensen Committee." We also hear Weslie talk about her blog "DoubleYouDot.com" and Bronson highlights his Design Studio & Venture Funding company "Ghostmouse." To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn’s latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you’ll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

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Don't miss all of the above with Norman Lear. Download new episodes every week on the Podcast One app or subscribe at PodcastOne.com. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Today we have one of the most charming charismatic couples on social media Bronson and Wesley Christensen. They have three kids who all have movie star looks and they're total hustlers. Wesley has a blog called w.dot.com and a new YouTube channel which I highly recommend you guys check out, and Brano co-founded Ghost Mouse, which is a design studio. Welcome, you guys. Hello, hello.

We're so excited to have you guys on. We're excited and nervous. Welcome to the show. Oh, God. This is the shit I have to deal with. We had a little whiskey before. Yeah, I'm nervous. No, don't be nervous.

Kevin, what happened, man? What is this? You gave me the cheap shit. Where's all the good stuff? What is this? Dewards? It's from 1934, man. Michael, don't be high maintenance.

So I really wanted to have you guys on because you have an amazing story about your kids. Like the whole thing. You guys had kids at 19? Bronson was 19. I was 20. I'm a touch older. And how do you guys do it? You have three kids now, and you both have movie star looks, and all the kids have movie

star looks. Oh, gosh. Thank you. First of all, the kids are seriously beautiful. It's like we don't know how that happened. We try really hard. They just came out pretty. They're gorgeous.

And nice and funny. Yeah, we're lucky. Thank you. I zoomed in and showed Michael. I'm like, we have to have kids like this. No, they're so cute. Well, Lauren was like

a few years ago, you know, before we actually physically met you guys, Lauren like really was like creeping me out. She's like, hey, look at this little girl.

And she was zooming in. Sorry. Was it Zuri? Zuri. Zuri, yeah. I can spot talent. And, you know, this is,

Zuri is a very pretty young girl. But I was like, Lauren, what are you doing creeping on these two people and like zooming in on their kids? I'm like, this is like, this is not normal behavior. Well, we met on Instagram. Yeah. Which is really funny, but it's like very 2017, I feel like. Yeah.

Totally. And I think we met through a juice cleanse. I feel, I honestly don't remember, but I remember you reached out to me and I was excited about that. Oh my god. I remember being like, because I knew of you. Okay, well I knew of you and I reached out through Instagram

because I saw your beautiful family and I think we did a juice cleanse together in like a group with Jeff. We had a group text. Yes. Yes. Or people water maybe. Yeah. Cause you guys did people water, right? You did the design of the bottle. Yeah. I co-founded people water with a couple of friends. And one of the guys was on the bachelor. Jeff, what's his last name? Jeff Holm. This is how it all happened. I remember now it was through the bachelor that we kind of connected somehow. Yes. And also the American,

who's another guy on instagram we all did this juice cleanse with him and i just immediately liked wesley you had you had like a personality through the screen oh thanks and then i met you bruno loved you too and we met in person like years later we went to dinner yeah we randomly hooked up went to dinner and then we fell a little bit in love with you guys yeah because you're so you know what's funny is like because and you i'm your partner jeff who i speak to pretty regularly we like kind of talk through snapchat right was that was i talking to you or was i talking to him and then we actually had like a dinner meeting and we've done a little

bit of work together since then it's just weird how social media works it's crazy and when we met it was like we knew each other for years because we had i feel like well that's because we stalked your family and like knew exactly what you're doing my children i zoomed in on your children i'm sorry we were babysitting them when you guys were out of the house you didn't know about it but yeah when you guys do have the cutest kids in the whole thank you so you're 19 you guys met in high school yeah Yeah. Okay. Tell us about that. Okay. We were, I moved to Utah, my senior year of high school. So we were 17 and I met him. He had a girlfriend and I had a boyfriend, like a long distance, like a four year relationship. He was with this girl for a while

too. Like we were both pretty serious. Um, we were just great friends for, for a whole year. He would always call me to hang out with him and his girlfriend. This is a funny fact. I have vivid memories of hanging out with Bronson, with him holding his then-girlfriend's hand, kissing her, singing songs together, and I'm just like hanging out in the back seat. And then... This is true. I don't know why she would hang with us. What were you guys...

He would call me. He would call me. His girlfriend never called me, but he would be like, hey, we're doing this. Come hang out. And I would show up, and it would just be him and his girlfriend. And I was like, whoa, what were you trying to do there? He was kind of a little cheaty. Now that I look back, such a cheater.

They are a little cheaty. But it was for me, so I can't be mad. Right? Yeah, I guess so. You want to tell the story? You guys get married at 19? 19. 19.

I was 20. I feel like in Utah, though, that's like a lot of people get married at 19. That's not like weird, right? It was the cultural norm. I mean, we were young even for Utah standard. I feel like 21, 22. So we were really, really young. I was pregnant.

So I was three months pregnant when we got married. Is that so standard in Utah? That is so unstandard in Utah. We were the black sheep of that whole little. We were the talk of the town for a while there. I mean, our friends literally had bets, like, oh, when is this thing going to fall apart? And we—I think it honestly kind of fueled our fire to be like, whatever. We were set up to fail. I mean, when we got married, we had $400 combined.

We combined our bank account that day. We're like, okay, we're going to combine. How much do we have? $400? And we were like, woo! With a baby on the way. We were tripping. We were losing our shit.

And were you guys living at your parents? Like, what was... Totally, yeah. So we went from living with our parents to moving in together, then to having a child. There was no this, like, exploration phase of let's figure out who we are as individuals. It was like, you are a child in your parents' home and now you are raising a child. Like it was like that. Kids raising kids.

Kids raising kids. So you have a baby and do you know what to do? No. No. What were you doing at 19? Do you know what I was doing at 19? I was swinging from a bar with my top off, I think. I know.

What? Probably. That's what you should be doing at 19, but we had a baby. But the thing about us is we kind of, I gave us grace. I didn't expect myself and him to be like these perfect, like responsible parents at 19. Like I wanted us to still be 19. So we were responsible and great with Suri. And then we would have our time where we could let loose. And it was in a, like, contained situation where she wasn't around.

But, like, we still gave ourselves those times because it's, like, imperative for growth. You have to figure it out. We just had a baby doing it. It was crazy. And the first of our friends. Yeah, so we had no example. The first couple that we were going to for advice was like our parents and their friends and were your parents helpful so helpful but you know how parents parents like they want

they want they wanted to help too much so we found ourselves trying to pull ourselves away from parents just so we could figure out who we were as a family who we were as a couple like how we wanted to raise our daughter and the way we raise our kids i feel like it's different i feel like there's no how do you explain it yeah you beat to the tune of your own drum yes i can see that i like that we just do what feels good so people would come to moms all the time would be like oh you have to have your kid you have to they can't co-sleep with you they can't and by the way there's no internet back then like that not like there is now and if there was i wasn't utilizing it like i i would be now.

But it was just like a hodgepodge of people flying at you with advice. And they're like, this is what you have to do if you want your baby to do this. And none of it worked for me. So the minute that I tuned every person out and stopped reading books and I just did what felt right, I started to be like, oh, like, like, I'm kind of a good mom. Like, this is working. Like, my daughter's happy. I'm happy. We're doing our own thing. And I remember being ashamed, like, okay, whatever I'm doing, since no one else is doing it, it's not right. So I'm just going to keep it to myself

because I am a freak of nature and I'm the only one doing this way. And it's probably wrong, but it's working. And now the older that I've gotten, I'm like, okay, it's just do whatever you have to do to make it work for you. That's kind of the only advice I'll ever give to a new mom is that like shut everyone else out and just do what feels good. Totally. I totally agree with you. My sister will be walking her baby and she's young. She's 24 and moms will come up to her and say, you know, you, you need to do this or you need to, you need to put a sweater like back off. And when you're tired and when you're not sleeping, those little comments, they like hurt. You'd go home and cry. Like it like it's it's a weird and then all the people that come up to you

and you're like you better enjoy this this is gonna go so fast and these were the best moments of your life and you're sitting there and you're like no this this sucks like no part of this is fun i love this little baby but like i hate this i needed that i needed that as a young pregnancy or the newborn like what's the what's where do you say when you say that sucks like give me an example like okay

so when you have the baby it's so fun everyone wants to see the baby the baby sleeps all day you're like falling in love you are drunk in love with this little tiny baby you get it

like seeing your husband or whoever you're with have a baby it's like oh you like them so much like you love each other now wait until there's a baby you're gonna like love that human more than you ever thought you could but really yes it's a whole

she's already so up my ass oh she's gonna it's gonna be even deeper you just wait deeper it's gonna be deeper so you think that like towards maybe like it's like the middle like when the when the newness has worn off but the baby's still not sleeping through the night. It's like when the baby's four months old and everyone's like, okay, he's back to work. No one cares about your new baby. You should figure this out by now. And you're sitting there and you're like, I haven't slept. I haven't eaten.

I haven't showered. And no one cares. And it's not new anymore. And then you're left to figure it out. What about with the dynamic with Brono? Like when all this is going on? What's your dynamic with your husband? How do you think I am when I have a baby?

You're great with babies. She's super fun. We'll go out. We'll do stuff. I feel like for the first few months, we don't have anything to offer the baby besides holding them. We don't have a boob. Tell me what I'm in for here because I don't know what i'm gonna do and i'm trying to you know we're getting a lot of advice we're getting a lot of feedback here on what we should be doing for babies you know and i like what you said about

you know doing what works for you but what i mean at 19 you're probably just shitting yourself obviously not knowing what the hell is going to happen what am i looking at as a 30 year old man now i feel like i've i've just figured out how to like somewhat take care of myself, but I'm not quite there. When a little kid comes along, what are you doing in this? Like, how are you?

I don't want to say how are you being helpful? Cause that sounds like you're not, but what can you contribute? Like as a 19 year old kid, you're like, what the hell am I supposed to do? Like, I'm putting myself,

I'm going back to when I'm 19 and Lauren's dancing on the bar. I'm picking myself up from under the bar. You know? Yeah. You were helpful. I think that you, I think the best part about Bronson was that when I asked for his help, he would help. But he also knew not to step on my toes. Like, I feel like it's a very, I feel like the moms and the babies.

There's something special for sure with the mom and the baby. There's something special, for sure, with the mom and the baby. There's like a connection. Yeah. Like, obviously I'm there to help. Like, if the baby's crying, like, I'll go on a walk. Are you a diaper changer? Totally. Okay, some dads are.

I will change a diaper faster than anyone. I'm so good at it. There's a lot of men out there that won't change a diaper. Where I think I connect with you, like, you're similar to me in the sense that, like, you don't get caught up in all the, you know, like, you're a tough dude. I think you're a tough dude because you'll say something like that. Like, when guys come in and say, I won't, I don't change diapers. I don't do that. I'm like, you bitch.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's your kid. Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do? Like, not, like, you're just going to leave him in shit? Will you nurse the baby? I mean, obviously not because I don't.

You would though. But, Michael, the baby will try to nurse you. I will do whatever I got to do. Will it really? Do you know that the baby? I mean, obviously not because I don't... You would though. But Michael, the baby will try to nurse you. I will do whatever I gotta do. Will it really? Do you know that the baby... So you do skin to skin when you have a baby and the man is supposed to take off his shirt and do skin to skin

and the baby doesn't know what's a boob and what's not. It's natural instinct. We'll always trick. Yeah, you trick the baby. The baby tries to suck on their boob and it is the cutest thing ever and I would... You liked it too in a weird way. You just allow it.

You just let them try. It's kind of cute. Yeah. Tickles a little bit. I mean if I walked in on a baby sucking on Bronno's tit I'd probably be a little. You'd be nervous but you just wait Michael. I would be very nervous if I walked in on that. I don't know what I would do. Same. I would too. I just think

it's so incredible that at 19 you guys have this huge undertaking. You have a brand new baby and you kind of just have to figure it out. We literally, I like when we were leaving the hospital, I was like, okay, um, where's the manual? Like, is there a manual for this? Like, we got to put this baby in the car seat. How do we do it?

They kind of like show you how to do it, but then you're on your own. Like, yeah, we can get advice and we can get it from our parents but raising a kid nowadays is so different from when they were raising us you know yeah it is different and and also i think it's now more acceptable to do you totally that's what it seems like i mean i'm gonna put my blinders on and i'm not that's just how i am oh it's changed even in five years like the way I'm raising Ozzy I would never share what I do with Ozzy that I did with Zuri and Zuri's a Ozzy's too like it is more acceptable so much more acceptable now to kind of be like ah whatever like he's also a boy too I feel like it's maybe different with a boy or is it the same totally different yeah like it's crazy I was kind of nervous when we found out we were having a boy

we actually didn't want a boy after two little girls. I'm like, I don't know how to do this. And it's really different. Oh, my gosh. So different. He loves cars and trucks and motorcycles. And when he falls, he gets up embarrassed. Where the girls, it's like when they fall, you're like, we're both running to them.

They're sobbing. It's like a huge deal. But with Ozzy, he just falls and he's like, oh, you didn't see it. Like pretend it doesn't happen. Yeah. It sobbing. It's like a huge deal. But like with Ozzy, he just falls and he's like, oh. Like pretend it doesn't happen. Yeah. It's weird. It's such a different dynamic. It's such a trip.

How different? Is he kind of a mommy's boy? It seems like a boy would be a little bit more attached to the mom. Yeah. He literally calls me honey. He'll say, oh, honey, mama, sweetie pie, love. Like that is how he talks to me and I die. Oh, my God.

You got to get that on. Like, you got to record that. It is the best thing that's ever happened. Like, he is the best and I die. Oh my God. You got to get that on like, like you got to record that. It is the best thing that's ever happened. Like he is the best boyfriend I've ever had. And he's so sweet. Like he's so sweet. My business partner, Jeff and I will be like midday. And there was a point for a few months where he would say, oh, about everything.

So we would call him on FaceTime and show him a photo of a dog, like a little puppy, and he would go, aww. And we'd just go through for like 10 minutes and then we'd hang out. Everything. He'd be like, aww. Aw, cute. Aw, cute.

It's the best. But he is so funny. What's easier, boys or girls? Boys. Really? So much easier. Really? I am out of my mind with Ozzy.

Like, I'm running around chasing him and he is into everything. So that is a lot. and my house is messier. But girls are so emotional, and our girls especially are so, like, intuitive. And they know if I'm off, they'll come to me, and then I'll have to explain myself. Like, I have to be on it with my girls. And Ozzy, I can kind of just, like, keep him busy, and he is happy as can be. So how do you decide after 19 that you're

going to have another little girl? We were idiots. What do you mean? Did you make the decision? I made the decision because I wanted Zuri to have a sibling. I didn't want another baby, but I wanted Zuri to have a sibling. And I knew it was stupid. We were on a wick. Like I did. We didn't have a pot to piss in. So you have no money. You have a baby. We have no money. And you decide we're going to have another baby. I have to have another baby. It's the stupidest decision I've ever made.

It's crazy. But you know what it is? It's the smartest because I had a faith that we would figure our shit out. And I also knew that we were young. Like, that is what a young person does. We were doing internships and we were always trying to get our foot in the next door. But I didn't want to stop the progression of our family just because we weren't financially ready and i'm smart you

know what i actually think that's really smart i was saying last night that the theme of my childhood was figuring it out like i always had to be resourceful and just figure that is exactly what we've done yeah we've just and we're and continuously it's been 10 years we've been married 10 years and we're still in that mindset mindset. When do you ever figure it out? I don't think he's ever figuring it out. Totally. So I want to kind of go back now, knowing all this and kind of hearing your story. There's obviously, while this is going on, there's a lot of stress.

I can imagine. Yeah. Right? For both of you. Because you have a newborn. You have another one on the way. And like you said, you have to figure it out. And you don't have a lot of financial means to support you at the time.

So when you're in that mindset and you're that stressed, like what do you guys do as a couple? It's actually, you know, obviously you guys love each other and you've gotten stronger, but it's probably difficult for a relationship to be going through all that, have kids, struggling financially. What do you do? We, I think that we were so naive that it was to our benefit.

Yeah. Like it was so bad and we were too dumb and young to even realize how gnarly it was. So that was to our benefit. So you were ignorant kind of a little bit. Totally ignorant. And we were optimistic. So being optimistic together and we would dream together. Every night we would go to bed and we'd be like, okay, in a year we could be here.

And then maybe you'll get this job or maybe I'll do something. Like we were always kind of dreaming for what was to come. The next big thing or something. Yeah, and always working towards it. If we got stagnant, then it would be like, oh, this is bad. Like we don't have – I mean, it did. It got scary. There was multiple times where it got, like, gnarly.

But we just kind of. Like, she was on food stamps. We were. Like, she was. We lived. We were living in downtown L.A. We lived on Skid Row. Not, like, as a homeless person, but, like, on 7th and Main.

That's gnarly. And we lived in a 600-square-foot studio apartment without one wall. There was not a wall. Like, the kitchen, bathroom, and your bedroom was all in the same room. And you're pregnant, or you had— I was pregnant. I was pregnant, and I had Zuri. And I remember I couldn't—I needed to work, but I couldn't afford daycare to put Zuri in.

That's got to be really hard. Oh, it was so gnarly. So I decided to move from L.A. and leave him. He was doing internships, and you were starting People Water, right? Yeah. That was the time. So I remember just leaving L.A. and working in Utah so I could have, like, my mom. That's when family is a big help, like when they can step in and take care of your kids when you can't afford it yourself.

And then we would sacrifice. Like, we didn't live together for seven months at one point. You were in L.A., and I was in Utah. It was a long time. Like, I remember you came home right before I had. I think that.A. Was it that long? It was a long time. Like, I remember you came home right before I had. I think that's right when Instagram came, right? It was. Right when Instagram came.

Okay. I remember him coming home from L.A. and he's like, this thing called Instagram. And I'm like, you just think you're so cool. You, like, live in L.A. And now, I was, like, bugged. I was like, get off that. It's so dumb.

I think I just remembered I found you through Meg Leg's legging line. Oh, my gosh. That's how I think I found you. Yes. That was so old school. This is like you guys right when Instagram was starting. It was the beginning, like in the early, early months. Yep.

And you started putting, I think you started, you were showing your family, and I think you were pregnant. I was. I was so pregnant. And I was like, oh, my gosh, she's so cute. Cutest pregnant woman. Yeah. This is before hashtags.

Like this is before there was anything. Like it's crazy you found me. So how, so what, so what was, what, what came after that? So you guys are struggling and it's like, you're separated. How do you come back together? Is it people water takes off a little bit? Yeah. So we started people water, the bottled water company where we give back every bottle purchase

we gave, you know, freshwater people in need. We'd go to Africa and all over to build wells. But when we got funding to start that is when we moved to Utah and that kind of got us back afloat. Okay. And then you have the baby. And then we had the baby. And to be honest, we didn't reconnect. Like it was, there was so many times where i was like this is crazy

like we made a mistake like we were idiots we're too young to be married like we had lived apart for so long i was like oh so you guys separated or were you just no we just financially had to live apart so we never like you guys were still you guys were still a couple totally still a couple talked every night but i remember when he tried. I'm like a very independent, almost loner type woman. I'm fine in my own space and my own time. I like having my own schedule. So after being separate that long and then him coming back into my space and my routine, I remember being like, oh, this is hard.

Who are you? Feeling like when you're young, someone leaves for six months and they're a different person. And hormones. You're pregnant. Oh, I was crazy. I also think this is a good tip for the audience too is that a lot of the times people look on Instagram at these perfect relationships and they just see perfection.

I mean, for me, a relationship is work. You're constantly working it. I think that's what makes a good relationship. Totally. It's just constantly putting in the work. And you said that you maybe disconnected for a little. That happens.

That's part of the game. You reconnect instead of just giving up. And you have to evolve. I couldn't ever hold him to like, oh, this is who you were then. Like we both were. You just change. You evolve and you force the relationship to evolve with you. So you have another baby. Yeah. And you're living in utah together yeah and how is that

okay so one was crazy one was like the biggest lifestyle change you can imagine two was so fun like having two kids was i feel like the best time in our lives like they zuri was so cute she had like this little baby doll to take care of that's when people water was really fun i would say that's one of our funnest years those years in utah when we had remy and zuri and we were doing people water it was really fun yeah two is fun we each have one and then you guys is this when you guys started rise too no no so from people water we then went to san francisco and i worked for an architect studio where we would do big corporate buildings like google's of the world and vans and adobe and all those and you're so. And you're doing design at the time? Yeah. Architectural design? Mm-hmm. Interior design.

And then we kind of, it was just an architect studio, and then me and my buddy Corey, we brought all disciplines in. So we brought in designers and videographers and photographers and product designers. So it's like this whole

one-stop shop for these brands, right? So if Google wants this really rad experience for their office, why wouldn't everything be under the same roof? The brand messaging is way stronger that way. So we did that. And then from there, Wes and I actually, we were in SF at the time, and we took a trip to Thailand and went to the Lantern Festivals. Tell them how I got to go on the trip.

We lied a little bit. Oh, yeah. We go, oh, yeah, Wesley knows how to shoot video. We said that I was a photographer, so I could go on a free trip. And you were pregnant, right? Not at that point. Not at this point. So we go to Sydney to shoot this event, and Wesley crushed it.

Like, I had to teach her like all the settings and everything and then like let her go on her own. I was tripping out but like the news Sydney News

like used all of her footage. They used my clips and they did not use his. Yeah. That is so funny. It was awesome. So from there we then went to Thailand

and we went to the Rise Festival and that thing was out of this world. It wasn't the Rise Festival. Or the Lantern. Explain what that is for people that don't know, because it looks really incredible. Yeah, so the Lantern Festival are these... What can they search?

Like Thailand Lantern Festival? Yeah. Or Rise Festival. I mean, any Lantern Festival will bring up photos. But there are these rice balloons, rice paper balloons that has this little fuel cell on the bottom, and you light it, and then they fill up with air, and then you release them. It's like real life Tangled. So it's real life Tangled, that Disney show.

You might not know, but with kids, it's like Tangled. I know, we don't watch it. You're not Tangled. Okay. Huge Disney. It's like Snow White level. Okay. Okay.

You've got to watch it this weekend. Yeah. So we went there, and it was out of this world. I've never seen something so beautiful, and we're like, okay, we've got to bring this to the U.S. And then we came back. I was still at Wrapped at the time, and I was kind of designing Rise on the side. And then finally we got a permit to do an event right outside of Vegas, and then it was real at that point. And we crushed it.

And we crushed it, yeah. So then from there, from Wrapped, I moved back to Utah. Quit Wrapped, started Rise full time. It was like a really exciting. For us as a family, it was like, oh my gosh, it's happening. That was our whole lives up until that point. He didn't have to have a 9 to 5 job. It was so exciting. I didn't have to work for nine-to-five job. It was so exciting.

I didn't have to work for the first time in, like, what? How long were you married? Seven years? You created your own, like, strategic destiny by doing this, it seems like. Yes. I love that. But he had to work. I mean, you were working two full-time jobs.

He had a full 40-hour week job during the week. And then he would come home and correspond with factories in China all night long. Like, you didn't sleep for a year. Like, I don't know how you even did it. He didn't sleep. He actually turned into a skeleton. Like, his body, I swear to you, it almost killed him. But you didn't die.

You're here. I think that's a good message for the audience, too, is that, like, if you want to do something and do it right, like, all those hours, people probably didn't even understand how much you put into it. No. No one. No one understood. You've got to bust your ass and hustle, and it's the late nights. And you have to have a partner that understands. If I would have put my foot down, it wouldn't have happened.

Yeah, that's really important. Like, I had to just be like, okay, this is going to be a very temporary year for us, and it's going to suck. And it did. But, like, out of it came going to be a very temporary year for us and it's going to suck. And it did. But out of it came something really, really cool. And it's like, we had to put all that time in to get a little

bit more freedom. Yeah, you guys are one thing I admire about you guys is that you're very team-like. I think that's so important in a relationship to be one unit. I see that in you guys. We really try. I always want to make sure that we're constantly working. I mean,

you work at it, again. Working to be that team in that unit. It's so important. It wouldn't be worth it. If I felt like he wasn't as into my life as I was into his, I'd be like, see you later. It would not work. That's a good tip, too, I think, for anyone

out there in a relationship is it's important to be a team, like a unit. So you launch Rise. Yeah. It kills it. Kills it. And you have two kids under four. I had Ozzy five weeks before Rise Festival. That's got to be stressful.

I remember calling their secretaries and scheduling my labor and delivery with their secretaries like make sure you give bronson a day so i can give birth yeah it was pretty bad did you have to schedule the like you have to schedule i that was the birth that i scheduled because i knew if i it wasn't scheduled he would have missed it what the hell are you guys eating to make you so fertile honestly i was what the hell's going on here i was not eating baby in a swimming pool like i could get pregnant it's not okay like i i'm too fertile and it's a problem i've been on birth control forever like or like i've i got pregnant with zuri on birth control are you serious are you serious i'm serious you were taking it like i'm not the best i had nuvaRing.

So it's like in you and you leave it in like it was in. Wow. I don't think I've ever heard that. NuvaRing just like, well, we're never going to get an, it's an advertiser now. NuvaRing, you fucking blew it, man. Come on, Nuva. God, what the fuck? I was on birth control.

It did not work. I was really going for that one too. I was like, you know, now, now we're not going to get them. No. Shit, you guys. We just ruined it. Dental dam. I can't believe you got pregnant on birth control.

I got pregnant on birth control. I've been on birth control since I was in ninth grade. And Michael's like, okay, it's time to get off. And I'm like, but I like what it does for my skin. I know. I missed that. I'm not on it, though. I won't take it anymore.

Okay, but I actually have a tip right now. Like, let's do a little side note. Okay. I just found out that the thing in birth control that makes your skin amazing because it clears your skin. You can buy the thing in the birth control alone.

Is it called progesterone? I don't know what it's called. I don't know what it's called. I'll buy it. You can go to your doctor and you can just have him prescribe you the one little chemical that's in the birth control. So what I'm thinking I'm going to do is get off

of it soon. Michael is ready. Maybe like in a year. Wait, off the record, you just pull and pray. It's the high school method. Pull and pray. It works. You know the pull and pray? That's the theme of your friend. Boy, do I ever. Just pull that sucker out you call that the old you know you guys it's been working for that works it works that's great that's grandpa's old method yeah it works just hope hope hope hope

and luck grandpa's old just cross the fingers and go on in. I'm pulling for it. Okay. Call that aim. As long as I'm on my skin thing, selfishly, I got off of it for a month once and it was like pimples. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not doing this. You'll regulate. Okay. It just needs to

mellow out. Okay, so you... I feel like Lauren and I need somebody else in this relationship at this point. Here we go. I think that you strategically brought them up. At this point, we know each other as a child. Like, what the fuck else have we got to talk about? We gotta get somebody else in on the conversation. Just another teammate. You guys would be

the best parents ever. And I'm not just saying that to blow smoke. I think you guys would be the best parents ever. Yeah, you guys would crush. Michael's gonna do everything and I'm gonna sit back and relax, right? I like babies, though. Just feed the baby. I like babies.

That's good. I don't really like babies. Really? Yeah. You like your own. You could have fooled us with how many you got. If they're my own, oh gosh, I love them. But, like, you know the little kids, they'll have the little squeaky shoes.

Maybe you haven't seen them. But there's these little shoes that literally squeak when they walk it's so annoying but we got some for our kids because we thought they're so cute and we loved it but every time it's so weird how you like love your own kids oh we're so weird your narcissism will shine through when you have children you're like oh my kids i guess you're right like i don't now that i think about it you love your nephew no i like like not like i would like your kids and i i think that's about like as far out the ring i can go right like if it's like my friend's kids and then we love our nephew and then like the inner ring would be our kids but after like a fourth ring of like somebody that i didn't really know like i might not be that pumped up yeah Then they're just dirty little people in your space. I actually have to be really honest.

I think a lot of kids can be really annoying. They are. I'm sure your kids are amazing. No, even ours are annoying. But sometimes I'm just like, when we get seated next to a kid and his crayon flies in my grilled fish taco

like the other day. It's just a lot. What do the parents do? Or what did the kid do when that happened? Nothing. The parents didn't do anything. Well, I had to discipline the kid. I bent him over my leg.

No, you didn't. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't. That's another question I have, too. And we were having this conversation last night. Your kid's throwing a huge fit. What do you do? What I would do is I would ignore it and not entertain it.

But then are you like, what do you do? The question would do is I would ignore it and not entertain it. But then are you like, what do you do? The question of my life. I hate it. I hate so badly when we're in public and they act out. They don't really, though. But when they do, it's like my biggest fear. And I get sweaty and hot. And I lose my shit.

What do you do? Because I don't want to be like a psycho. Like I can be at home. Like at home, I can just be, I can turn on like my scary voice and yell and I'm never mean

and I don't yell at them but like they know when I'm serious and I'm like, whatever I say to them, they know like, oh, mom is pissed. Like we better listen to her. In public,

I have to be like, honey, please don't do that. And I feel like a psychotic like person trying to control my anger and it only makes it worse it aggravates it but yeah it's i mean at disneyland i've had to sit down in the middle of disneyland with people walking everywhere and which kid was it i don't even remember one of my kids was acting out i had to sit them down in the middle of like the freeway

of walking people at disneyland and i made her sit there and sit in timeout for two and a half minutes. Screaming, kicking, thrashing, but she sat there and she did not get up. Can you smack the kids? Is that not allowed? Not allowed. It's not allowed. Can you smack the kids? Let me back it up here. Let me bring it in. Because I know people are going to be like,

whoa, what's this? But when I was a kid, looking back and knowing myself, I needed a good smack myself. You still need a good smack. Because my parents would be like, listen, man, you sit down for two minutes and you sit down for five and I would sit down and I would be plotting and planning my next move when I got off that sit down. Nothing's changed.

And then I'd get out and I would just go even harder than I was before. And then I'd get to school and I got in trouble. I flipped off the teacher and I got kicked got in trouble. I flipped off the teacher. I was really bad. Mooned everyone. Got suspended. He's going to fight. That's why I liked him. He's a bad boy. I'm not like a bad

boy where I'm in the parking lot doing drugs or hurting people. Just screwing around. You were a little wild. He was a bit like Ozzy's face lotion moment and i know i know you can't like beat up a kid right like i'm not trying to beat up kids yeah it's fucked up right but i know you can't do that but like i needed like a good like wooden spoon on the ass you know what i mean like for me and like is that not that's not appropriate

anymore right i don't know i'd feel weird like hitting my kid yeah because i got i guess you have girls yeah i don't know like because i know my sister's like they never had any issues but like my dad said like my dad to me he's like listen you're gonna get the spoon or the belt and like yeah people now they're probably like oh man i can't believe i do that but i'm telling you as the one that was on the receiving end i needed that shit yes because if i didn't i was gonna run i was gonna run that house i might have got a mouthful of soap a couple times, too. And hot sauce. Yeah. Yeah.

I did, too. It's different times. What happens if you have, okay, so this is now we're transitioning. If you have a kid and he's getting out of control, or she's getting out of control, and you're in public, and they're not responding to the two-minute timeout, what do you do? Like, as a parent, what can you do? It's different as a guy and a girl. I learned to match their behavior.

The more outrageous they go, you match it. So if they want to keep going and elevating it. So like I, it was the Disneyland thing. Like I remember my kids listen to me. I have put the fear of God into them. And the fear isn't like they are scared of me. They're not scared of Bronson. Bronson is so sweet and so nice.

And they'll go to him and be like, dad, they're not like that with me. Like I will. I am the wrath of mom. So I remember I feel like it was Zuri and she was just mouthing off or whining or pouting and it just escalated. It got further and further. She started ripping her hand away from me, walking backwards like she was going to run away. And I was like, you're in Disneyland, kid. Like, where are you going to go? And I remember her like going like, oh, like something outrageous. And I was like, okay, sit down. She wouldn't sit down.

So it's escalating more and more and more. So as she would just get meaner and meaner, same as I, like I would just like freak out. And I remember her looking at me like, Whoa, like you're really freaking out. I'm scared of what you're going to do next.

And then she just stopped. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Because I was a kid one time. One time, one time ago. Many years ago. Long time.

Okay, Michael. And I was throwing this fit. I think I was like six years old and I was at the Del Mar Fair. You guys have been to the Del Mar Fair? Yeah. And I was throwing a fit. My mom, like, she probably, poor, I'm sorry, Mom. She probably, poor woman probably spent like $300 on these stupid games and I was losing

every time. But I knew I was close. Like, I was like, I'm going I, but I knew I was close. Like I was like, I'm going to get this ring on the bottle. Like I'm going to get the prize and she wouldn't let me play anymore. And so I started throwing this huge tantrum and like I was slowly like doing what your daughter did and like creeping backwards to pretend like I'm going to get lost. And my mom said, you know what then? Good luck.

And she jetted ahead and, and she thought that I was going to keep up, but I lost her and I was bawling, crying. Security came. They took she thought that I was going to keep up. But I lost her. And I was bawling, crying. Security came. They took me away. I was in the lost and found. I thought I was lost forever. I'm like, well, I'm like one of these kids from Peter Pan. That's worth it.

You never did it again. I'm going to Neverland. I'm done. Yeah. You know? And so, yeah, I get it. Yeah, you get it. So we can't hit the kids.

You can't hit the kids. Damn it. There's no one. If I have a son that doesn't respond, I might give him a little. Yeah, bring it back. With Ozzy, I am more physically aggressive because that's his language to me. He is all physical. So I respond very physically.

That makes sense. You match their language. Yeah. And we don't raise our kids the same way. The way that I'm raising Zuri is different than Remy and very different than Ozzy. It's like we have our same. It's not fair for sure. Like Remy will get away with things that Zuri can't.

I notice a lot of kids now that are grown, that grew up in a family of three. I notice that each one of them plays kind of a different role. Yeah, it's very interesting. And there's always one that wants everything fair. But nothing's going to be fair. Everyone's different. The middle child. Yes, Remy.

It's Remy. That's not nice to your sister um i i only have a family i have a family of four so that doesn't count but the middle if there's a three dynamic there's always one that wants it fair and has their principles and then each one of them gets attention in different ways yeah like one's maybe the more of a victim they play the victim role one's the overachiever and has to be so... This is us. No, I've, like, picked this up as I've gotten older. I'm like, wait, are you a middle child?

Yeah, you can call it. It is so true. It's so true. And, yeah, like, Remy responds to being the weirdo. Like, she is the weirdest little child, and Bronson and I have just decided we have to go with it. Yeah, let her be weird. And Remy has food allergies. She has food allergies.

So she's like a little different soul as it is. She's just like a little anomaly, but she, yeah, she's allergic to like soy, peanuts, tree nuts, everything. What else? Gluten. Oh, it was the hardest out of all my mothering. I've been doing it nine years. That the two years after that diagnosis has was the hardest.

Bar none. Because they're at like school eating cupcakes for someone's birthday and you're like, you can't have that. And then their kids don't invite them over because their moms don't know what to feed them. And then you're, like, late at night bawling over it. Like, oh, how do I get my kid to have friends? Because everyone's afraid that they're going to die at their birthday party because they eat a peanut. So, and then you have to also pack them probably. Which is a whole different dynamic.

And I'm like a lazy mom. I'm like a minimalist mother. I don't like that. I don't want to do that stuff. It really bugs me that I have to do that. I have to go above and beyond every other mother and it really bothers me. I don't want to, but I have to. It's kind of like how I don't like to

make a sandwich for Michael. It's like, oh, I gotta be that way. Like, make your own. I told Bronson the other day, do you know that he's never made dinner in nine years? Whoa. Have you made dinner? I've made dinner, but like, I mean. Wait, blue apron doesn't count. I've made dinner.

Oh, you have? I feel like you're cooking a lot, actually. I've been cooking up, but I'm not like, I'm not like uh i wouldn't call myself you know like an expert but i'll i mean for lauren she's like hey do you want some of this like seaweed kelp concrete pasta i'm like what and she's like yeah i'm on a health kick so you're gonna eat this and it's like it basically just takes like a piece of drywall and pour some sauce on i eat that and then i pretend i like it and i drive you know get some postmates and eat in the corner when she's not looking. So what do you do when you have to do all this

extra work? You have three kids. That's really gnarly. I used to have a pity party. I full on mourned my life as I knew it for two years. And then I just got over it. So what do you do? You just pack her lunch every day? I just pack her food, her own little special food wherever we go.

And does she know she's not allowed? Oh, she's so good about it. Because she's had to have the EpiPen twice, and that's horrifying to her. So she is like, I honestly don't even have to worry about her, because she is worrying enough for me. She's like, does that have peanuts in it? Does that have soy? Does that have? She is double-checking, triple-checking everything.

That is so gnarly. She can't have soy and nuts. I know. Soy is in everything. Soy is in everything. Or gluten. Wow. I know. Soy is in everything. Soy is in everything. Or gluten. Wow. I know.

It's all foods. What does she eat? Give us some examples of anyone out there. So there's special bread that I buy from Sprouts. So she'll eat that bread. Toast with butter is her staple. Okay. And she can't even really eat eggs, so we can't do that.

She loves cheese. So she eats a lot of cheese and toast and broccoli. And she loves Parmesan cheese. So if I give her a vegetable and just douse it with parmesan cheese, she'll eat it. Gosh, that's got to be gnarly though. But at least you've learned to adapt to it and be involved with it. Yeah, it's just now it's our normal.

I like it though. It's forced all of us to eat healthy. It has forced us. That makes sense. It steps it up all over the whole family. Okay, so I actually want to ask for my own selfish reasons because it was really That makes sense. Yeah. It like steps it up all over the whole family. Yeah. Okay. So I, I actually want to ask for my own selfish reasons. Cause it was really funny. Ozzy's lotion moment.

Which one? Okay. Ozzy is the youngest. Yes. How old is he? He's two. He's two. And he seems like he, he beats to the tune of his own drum from what you guys have told

me. And he's so cute. He's so cute he's so cute his name too he fits his name oh his name is so good he is such an aussie it's out of control like i that is like the cutest little name i've ever heard okay so tell us about his lotion moment i literally don't know which one you're talking about you told me that there was one that he was sitting on the couch and you caught him eating lotion. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about now. So I'm an esthetician, so I have all of my nice body lotions and face lotions.

These are like jars, like a $100 jar of nice facial lotion. And somehow he snuck into my aesthetics room. And he was super into chips and dip at this moment. And so he snuck into my aesthetics room. He grabbed this jar and he brought it to the couch. And I walk into the room and it smelled amazing. I was looking all around. I'm like, what is that? And I see him and I see that he's covered in white stuff, but I was like, what is that? Like, what is that? And he has a bag of chips and I can just see him dipping his chips and eating it. And I thought it was ranch. I was like, how the hell did he get ranch? So I walk over to him and he has my like

most expensive lotion. It is in his ears. It's in his mouth. It's in his eyes. It's all over in his hair. And he is then consuming it, eating it like salsa. Is he on the couch with the lotion on the couch? On the couch. The couch is white too. I thought it was like a powdery like ranch. I thought he literally got like a ranch packet and put it everywhere. The whole thing was white. Michael, what would I do? He's not allowed to sit on my couch. I'm not even allowed to go on the couch. No, he's not allowed to sit on the couch.

We're going to have a fun time. Our living room should not be called a living room because nobody's living in there. No, I don't want to. No, don't put me in my living room. Everyone has that room. I can't wait. We don't have that room. I can't wait to decorate our house.

We see your guys' home and we're like, oh, that's going to be us in 20 years. Wait, are you guys? When all of our kids are out. Why can't you like, there's nothing that you can, give me the real deal. Ryan, there is nothing you can do. You can't have any sexy time toys because they'll be used as a chew toy. It will be found. There is no safe that our children can knock it into.

There is no secret spot. Everything that I have is theirs and they use it at their convenience. So like my white couch is like, I got to know. You just got to put it on. I wouldn't even bring the kids over. No, you wouldn't bring your kids. You know, we should do because we should loan you our kids just for an afternoon. I would love that.

Do you want to take your I would love that. Just do a trial run with our kids and you guys try to do your business with our kids. Do a podcast with them. We'll see how it goes. What would they do? Just loan them. You guys would probably love Zuri and Remy. Oh, why not?

What about Ozzy? It would be a lot of stress. Michael would love Ozzy. No. I would love to. And I wouldn't hit him. I promise. You wouldn't?

Thank you. We might share a bag of chips and some facial cream. Who knows? You guys, Ozzy is the one. He escaped. He was literally not walking. He was stumbling around like a teeter-totter. We don't know how this happened.

He snuck out of our house, and a little old lady brought him. We didn't even know he was gone, first of all, so that should tell you something about our parenting. We had no idea he was gone. And all of a sudden I walk into the front room and I see a strange woman, an old lady, a scary looking old lady holding Ozzie and he's butt naked. And she goes, is this your baby? And I was like, yeah, why are you in my house? And I like go over to hold Ozzie. And she's like, oh, I found him in the road. And I was like, oh, he went outside. And she was like, no, he went down to the main road, a block and a half away. And I was like, oh, he went outside? And she was like, no, he went down to the main road a block and a half away.

And I was like, he doesn't even walk. How? How did it happen? Hashtag me as a parent. Hashtag so me. It's so horrifying. I can't even tell you. She turned around. I took Ozzy and she turned around in disgust. Like, I should have been caught. Like, CPS should have came over. I can't with those judge duties

though. Like, listen, like, sometimes things happen. you don't know how it happened but it's like you know what can you do I think that's an amazing story too and you'll tell it until he's like 18 years old I know I have so much blackmail on that kid I love it I like dream of his future wife slash girlfriend it's gonna be so fun with her I that's gonna be hard I feel like if you have a son and you're a mom to see I always say that. I'm always like, it's probably hard as a mom to see their son get married and date another woman. I never thought. I thought

I was disgusted in those moms before, but now I'm totally... Like, he loves me first and the most. I just know that. Okay, so are there more kids on the horizon, do you think? Or are you... Oh! Maybe? If I could guarantee another boy. Okay, so you would if there's a boy? Yeah, I think, or are you? Oh, maybe. If I could guarantee another boy. Okay, so you would if there's a boy?

Yeah, I think so. Are you doing a Kardashian moment where you're going to have maybe sex or is for? Like, I'm done at three. I mean, I feel like if you guys get a little bit closer, you'll probably get pregnant. Like, just not even doing anything. I mean, it seems to happen very quickly. We can't, like, swim in a swimming pool. That's what I said. Like, we have to be separate yeah so how ozzy happened no no no

we can take this out but it was literally you can leave it in christmas eve and we did the dirty and i go merry christmas you're pregnant and then the way, we didn't talk about Ozzy. We didn't talk. Remember we told you we do the poll and pray? Ozzy was not a discussion. He just decided to do his own thing. And then Ozzy was conceived. He knew.

He told me, Merry Christmas, you're pregnant. No. And I got pregnant that night. Yeah, but you said that you wanted another kid. I was like, maybe we should talk about it. That was the conversation. Maybe we should talk about it. No, she was ready.

No. So I did it and said Merry Christmas and it turned out that it was a one shot. One time. Our story is similar. I said Merry Christmas, but it didn't it was in a different area. You what? I don't get it. In a different area. I think that flew over her head. I mean her face. I don't get it.

We're going to let it. We're going to let it. Oh, okay. It flew over your head. Right over. her face. I don't get it. We're going to let it. We're going to let it. Oh, okay. It flew over your head. Over your head. Right over. Merry Christmas. Hit you in the face. Oh. No. Okay, so if anyone wants to find you guys, you're an amazing couple.

We have to have you guys back on to talk kids. Let's talk a little bit about before we go your businesses because first wesley blog do and bruno helped you do this blog mostly blog do no bruno too bruno has an eye for aesthetic um and your blog is so cute like i love it it's very it's beautiful it is cute it's cute now you guys it was called love chugs and then we did a full-on rebrand with blog do and now it's called WDOT.com. And I'm not the best at updating it just because mom life kind of has consumed. I like that. I appreciate, though, because each post that you do is very, like—

It's thought out. I do it when I have something to say. There's not filler posts. It's very much like, okay, I have something to talk about, so I'm going to talk about it. I don't really, like, drag people through my nonsense. It's just like, okay, I have something important to say. I'm going to talk about it i don't really like drag people through my nonsense it's just like okay i have something important to say i'm going to say it um and then our latest venture our kid it was our kids idea is the youtube it's called the itty bitty christiansen committee and it is 100 it's our kids like it is not us where they're helpers they are creative directors

they film what they want to film and bronson and i just help and they love it it's pretty fun actually itty bitty christian committee christ, actually. The Itty Bitty Christian Committee. Christiansen Committee, yeah. The Itty Bitty Christian Committee is a different thing. Definitely not Christian. Christiansen Committee. The Itty Bitty Christiansen Committee. That is so cute. It's pretty

fun, actually. I love it. I like it more than blogging, which I never thought I would say. That's cool, though. Because I never wanted to be in front of the camera. Exactly. I didn never wanted to be in front of the camera. Exactly. I didn't want to be in front of the camera. That scares me. But this is pretty fun.

Yeah, it's something you're doing as a family, too. Yeah. Look out, Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Oh, look out, Kim. You know, I will say really quick about Wesley's blog. Your blog is the only blog on the entire planet that I have gone back and read every post. And I'm not a mom, so that's really interesting because the way you write. Oh, thanks.

I love the way you write. I think it's like, it's just, it really, you feel your voice. You feel like you're having happy hour with you. Oh, that is, that's a nice, I will take that compliment. Yeah. It's a great blog. Thanks. What were you going to say?

Sorry. No, no. I said it wrong with Ghost Mouse. Like he's doing, you know, he's done some stuff for you that we haven't released yet and he's doing some stuff right now for wesson and i and then we've worked together a little bit you know i've kind of helped them a little bit in the marketing consulting side and then with some of their clients so they do some like you guys do you particularly do some really awesome design work so thank you i think people should definitely utilize the services yeah tell us about ghost mouse. So Ghost Mouse is a little studio that Jeff and I started, my business partner.

We were both at agencies, and we saw that there's no longevity. It's just hustling, right? It's like get a client, finish it, and then you're on to another. And so Ghost Mouse is set up. We are a design studio. We don't really like to say that um and we act as a venture fund as well so we'll either get in to deals with other people that we believe in the people and the story and the product and we'll take some ownership in it in exchange for our skill set. So if it's branding that they need or product or whatever,

and then we help build this brand that we have a piece of ownership. So if it gets acquired down the road, we get paid out. And then we also come on as the studio or agency of record where they're paying us each month to do the work they need, but it's something that we own, right? Really cool. agency of record where they're paying us each month to do the work they need, but it's something that we own, right? Really cool. And then, so it's that, and then we'll launch our own products. It's smart because a lot of agencies, not to throw any agents under the bus,

but a lot of them operate in the realm where they really don't care about the client. They care about the retainer or the revenue that's generated. And so with this, not that you wouldn't, because I know you would care about your client, but at the same time, you have skin in the game where you're saying, listen, we're going to use our expertise to actually push and help this brand grow, and we're going to do all the stuff that an agency would do. Yeah, I'm just sick of making people money.

I want to make my money. Yeah, and you should, because let me tell you something about your design. It's incredible. Thank you. If you guys have the Skinny Confidential cell phone cases, I basically told Bronno my vision and he ran with it. And I'm so happy with how it turned out. The boobs.

The boobs. The boobies. Yeah. It's just fun working with you guys. Yeah, we love it. Because you guys just have a good vision. So it's, I mean, it's someone that we'd love to work with. Yeah, you're easy.

I have an idea, a product that's launching that I haven't kind of talked about yet. And you did the website and it looks fucking amazing. And I normally have 8 million changes. And this time I only had like 50, which is like really different from my 8 million. It is like my favorite website. I'm so excited. I love it. Yeah, it's very, very cute. I'm excited for everyone else to see it. Yeah, I my favorite website. I'm so excited. I love it. Yeah. It's very, very cute.

I'm excited for everyone else to see it. Yeah, I'm really excited. I can't wait. So where can everyone find you guys? Like, pimp yourselves out. Oh, shameless plug-in. Yeah. Ready?

Go, Brons. My Instagram is Brono. B-R-O-N-O. I love it. And our company is Ghost Mouse. G-H-O-S-T-M-O-U-S-E, underscore, underscore. Ghost Mouse. No one gets that when you say it, but yeah, Ghost Mouse.

My Instagram is Wesley, W-E-S-L-I-E, underscore. We love those underscores, I guess. Yeah, they're good. You've got to use them. And then my blog is WDOT.com. Oh, and Itty Bitty, Christensen Committee. Not to be confused with the other group,

that small group of Christians. Don't confuse that. Christensen. And we will have you guys back on to even get more deeper with kids because I have like six million more questions

before Michael does a pull and pray. Don't do it, Michael. Talk to her before. Yeah, Michael. Don't Merry Christmas me. Don't. Let's talk about it. What? Thank you guys for her before. Yeah, Michael. Don't Merry Christmas me. Don't. Let's talk about it.

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