The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - #91: Dr. Dennis Gross - Youthful Glowing Skin, Stimulating Collagen, Botox, Filler, Lymphatic Drainage, and Preventative Beauty

Episode Date: December 5, 2017

On this episode we sit down with Dr. Dennis Gross to discuss the essential ingredients for healthy skin, how to keep collagen levels stimulated, preventing aging, lymphatic drainage and the biggest mistakes people make in their skin care regiment. Dr. Dennis Gross is a board-certified dermatologist and dermatologic surgeon, and founder of Dr. Dennis Gross Dermatology, a specialized dermatology practice on 5th Avenue across from Central Park in Manhattan. He is nationally recognized and sought after for his experience in skin cancer research and keeping skin healthy, natural-looking, and radiant, by utilizing state-of-the-art cosmetic treatments and technology. His philosophy is to prevent, correct, and protect patients’ skin by creating a personalized treatment plan. To connect with Dr. Dennis Gross click HERE To learn more about the Dr. Dennis Gross brand click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by Liquid I.V.  Liquid I.V. is the great-tasting, portable powder drink mix that is changing the way the world hydrates. The hydration multiplier uses the breakthrough science of Cellular Transport Technology (CTT) to deliver hydration to the bloodstream faster and more efficiently than water alone. Available in Lemon Lime and Acai Berry, Liquid I.V. contains three times the electrolytes of leading sports drinks and is free from preservatives, artificial sweeteners or colors. One stick can provide the same hydration as drinking two to three bottles of water. The benefits of proper hydration include improved athletic performance, fighting jet lag, burning calories, decreased signs of aging, and boosted mental clarity. go to www.liquid-iv.com and ENTER PROMO CODE SKINNY20 AT CHECKOUT TO RECEIVE 20% OFF YOUR ORDER

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha!

Happy Tuesday. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show guys today. I am so excited because we're interviewing Dr. Dennis gross. He is like my hero of life on this episode. We're discussing skincare routines, the essential ingredients for healthy skin, how to keep collagen levels stimulated, Botox, filler, preventing aging, lymphatic drainage, and the biggest mistake people make in their skincare routine. For those of you who don't know us, I am Lauren Everett Spostick and my blog is called The Skinny Confidential. I wrote a book when I was 25 years old called The Skinny Confidential. It's available on Amazon and in Barnes & Noble. So now the brand has blossomed into obviously a podcast, a workout plan, and a YouTube channel.

We also have a super awesome secret Facebook group you guys should all join. And then I also have my lovely husband. And I am Michael Bostic, business owner and entrepreneur. I have developed and helped to develop multiple brands over the last 10 years. Our firm, Bostic Media, helps brands grow in the digital space, and we help influencers and entrepreneurs take their brands to the next level. Recently, we have been podcasting a lot. Yep, a lot.

We're almost at 100 episodes. We're super excited. Last week's episode was a real hit. I was obsessed with it. I listened to it like four times. My dad called me, he's buying GGs and eating Brussels sprouts and berries at every single meal. So I'm really happy about that. That was episode 90. Yeah. You guys have to listen to that one. With Tanya Zuckerbrot. One of our favorites for sure. She will be back on the podcast by the way. So we are currently in Aspen

skiing and working at the same time. And I'm working on a blog post for you guys about that situation. But I feel this is so fitting because we're in Aspen right now with how dry it is here. It is so dry. I want to pour moisturizer all over my body. I've basically been drinking a barrel of water every day to no effect. And I don't know what's going on. I don't know. I don't know how long it's going to take my body to adjust.

Thank God I brought my liquid IV because without it, I feel like I would just be a pile of dust. So for those of you guys that don't know what liquid IV is, we've talked about in past shows. It is basically a game changer. It's saving my life out here in Aspen. Liquid IV is essentially a hydration multiplier that utilizes CTT or cellular transport technology to deliver hydration to the bloodstream faster. So we've been in Aspen, like I said, skiing this week.

And with the altitude and the dry weather, it's just super difficult to stay hydrated, especially when you're skiing. I mean, I can't believe how dry I am. So I've been putting liquid IV in my ski jacket next to my lip gloss and pouring it in my drink. Whenever I take a break, I'm like carrying a water bottle with it. It's super efficient. So it's portable and really easy to throw in your bag when you're on the go. I carry it in my purse. Like I said, I've been carrying it in my ski jacket. We brought a bunch with us to Aspen because of the high altitude and while you're skiing, it's so easy to get

dehydrated. So I just throw some liquid IV in my water in the morning or midday and it helps so much. It's also really good for working out and obviously skiing, snowboarding is a big workout, but when I'm at home in San Diego or LA, I also use it when I'm training, when I'm working out. And honestly, my performance has been next level. There's this hill that we call the death hill. Actually we call it like the dead hill, the wall, you know, from game of Thrones, we call it the wall. And you have to, we have to run up there with Kim Kelly. And honestly, it's really hard to get up there in one go, but lately I've been getting it done in one go. And it's because I think it's because I'm using this stuff and I'm super hydrated the whole time. I feel like you're bragging. Okay. So I'm just a beast. So my go-to flavor is the lemon lime flavor. It reminds me of a sports

drink, like one that I used to have when I was a little kid, but without all the bad sugars and crap. And all I do is add a pack to 16 to 20 ounces of water, which is the equivalent of drinking three bottles of water. That's why I love it so much. Um, you know, I'm a big fan of staying hydrated. So when I was introduced to electrolytes, I was immediately interested. I mean, obviously staying hydrated is one of the most important things that you can do for your body. And you'll hear this in the interview. It's so important for your skin. And I just feel like the more hydrated I am, the more glowy my skin is.

So every skin expert will tell you how important it is to stay hydrated. One of their biggest tips is always that. It sounds simple, but I feel like so many people forget. Well, with liquid IV, it helps the process and helps you stay hydrated. You don't have to worry about any preservatives, artificial sweeteners, colors. It's dairy-free, gluten-free, soy-free, vegan for all the vegans. Like we said, we've been taking the lemon and lime, but it comes in two flavors. The second one is acai berry. For those of you that like the berry flavor, I'll probably switch to that one maybe next week after I'm done with a

little lemon lime jam. So like I said, I just put the lemon and lime flavor in my water. I worked out yesterday. I did a 27 minute workout using the bombshell body guide and I had it in my water the whole time. Um, what else I like to do, this is kind of weird, but since we're in Aspen, I add a few drops of chlorophyll to it. and that's so good for altitude sickness. The medley of it is killer. You can't go wrong. You guys will love it. The mix is so amazing for fighting hangovers too.

So Liquid IV hydrates you up to two to three times faster than water alone and contains three times the electrolytes of sports drinks. Throw in your water to boost mental clarity. Add some to your teas if you want some extra flavor. And for those of you who want to try the product, the team at Liquid IV is offering all TSC listeners 20% off at checkout when you enter the code SKINNY20. So all caps SKINNY, that's S-K-I-N-N-Y 20. So definitely try this if you're jet lagged, you're hungover. Is it jet lagged? I think it is. You won't be sorry. So go to liquid-iv.com and enter code skinny 20 at checkout to try this product. All right, let's get into the him and her tip of the week. Okay. Since we're talking

to Dr. Dennis Gross today, and since it's all about skin, I figured that a lot of the people that are listening today are here just for that. So I wanted to give all the girls and all the guys out there a skin tip from yours truly. Okay. So for the guys, I have been using Dr. Dennis's vitamin C plus collagen, brightened and firm eye cream. I have really deep sunken eyes. Sometimes it looks like I got the hell beat out of me. And so they get black and dark sometimes. So I couldn't, you'll hear me in this interview, talk to Dr. Dennis Gross and ask him about it. He recommended this eye cream for me and I've been using it ever since I interviewed him. And I can say that my eyes aren't nearly as dark as they have been. So I think it's really important to get a good eye cream if you have dark eyes like me. I also think it's really important for the men out there to get

a good face cleanser and wash your face morning and night. Honestly, I think I never did that before. Nobody ever told me to do that. I don't know why. And it's made all the difference. For the girls, to get your guys to take care of their skin, this is what Lauren did for me. Show them two to three simple products. Don't show them 50. Don't give them a bunch of creams and a bunch of oils and a bunch of cleansers and wipes.

Give them two to three simple products. Don't overwhelm them. That's what Lauren did. And then say, Hey, listen, you're going to use these two to three products in the day or in the night. And you know, with me, like I started to like the results. And so now I do it all the time and I feel like my skin's improved a lot. And then sunscreen for everybody, which you'll also hear in this podcast. So that's my, you know, I'm no skin expert, even though I'm working on it, but that's my him tip of the week. Okay. Let's talk about the her tip. So I want to talk about peel pads. Guys, they are life. I've been waiting to share this tip with you for this podcast. I saved it. They are really, really life-changing. So I've been using them for probably

the last four months and I just love them. What I do is I cleanse and exfoliate my face every single night. And then I use the left side of the pad and you just like wipe it all over your face. I never try to get my brow tint though, because we don't want to screw up the brow tint. And if you just got a spray tan, I would wait two days after. But anyways, I take the left side and I work it around my whole entire face, except my eyebrows, a lot on my sun mustache, down my neck. I even go over my shoulders and down to my chest because I just think it's so important to care about that area of your skin. And then I actually end it off by using them on my hands. So after that's done, you wait two minutes

and then you use the right side of the peel pad. So you're gonna do the same thing. Avoid your brow tint if you have one and use it all over your face, on your neck, on your chest, on your hands, even on your shoulders. I just love the whole peel pad situation because they help with hyperpigmentation, sun mustaches, they tighten, they firm the skin. They're so ideal. Also, they make you feel fresh and tight. I can't explain it until you try it. You have to just

see what I mean. But anyway, after I'm done with the peel pads, I do a good serum and a moisturizer and an eye cream. And then if it's during the day, I'll finish off with a caffeine sunscreen. But I usually use the peel pads at night just because I feel like they're better because you're not going to be in the sun. So I'm going to write a post on the Skinny Confidential. It'll go live today to show you the entire breakdown. You know, if you're looking to see exactly what they get rid of, it's basically they rid dullness,

they shrink pores, they help fight redness, and they really help with fine lines and wrinkles and acne. So anyway, this podcast was the perfect time to share my peel pad obsession because the man himself, Dr. Dennis Gross, is on the podcast and the pads I use are by him. So fitting. I love them so much, I can't recommend them enough. I keep them in my makeup bag, my purse, my car, whatever. You can use them every day, but just make sure that you guys start off with the regular and then work up to the extra strength.

They're the best. So it's like a micro exfoliation without the downtime. Again, so ideal. If you guys love Tanya from last week's podcast, you are going to be just as excited for this week's guest because guess who's on today's podcast? You know, just my favorite skincare guru of life, Dr. Dennis Gross. Like I said, he's the inventor of the peel pad. Have you heard of him? I feel like he's everywhere. He has, you know, all his branding is so amazing. It's bright orange. He's one of the top skincare doctors in the world, and I personally could have talked to him for about 6 billion hours, but get excited because we talked to him about everything

skincare. Like everything, I'm talking brown spots, wrinkles, filler, Botox, acne, the works. Dr. Dennis Gross is a board certified dermatologist and surgeon and the founder of Dr. Dennis Gross Dermatology, a specialized dermatology practice on Fifth Avenue across from Central Park in Manhattan. He is nationally recognized and sought after for his experience in skin cancer research, which we talk about, keeping skin healthy, natural looking, and radiant by utilizing state-of-the-art cosmetic treatments and technology. He is so ahead of the times, guys.

His philosophy is to prevent, which you know I'm all about, correct, and protect patient skin by creating a personalized treatment plan specifically for each individual patient's needs and desires. He's a regular guest on Dr. Oz, CNN, The Today Show, The Doctors, and CBS, The Early Show. Dr. Dennis Gross is also the founder of the award winning bright orange skincare line, Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare, which is a global bestseller on Amazon and Nordstrom's. With that, let's welcome Mr. Dr. Dennis Gross to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her.

Hey, Dr. Dennis. Hello. Introduce yourself. Hi, Dr. Dennis Gross here from New York City, dermatologist and just a science geek and skincare crazy guy. I love it. Tell us about your brand. My brand.

Well, here's the bottom line. I think that there are incredible things you can do with science. And I take ingredients that are proven to work. And then we figure out how to make them work better by combining them with other ingredients, making them have better delivery to the area we want, how to combine them with other ingredients so you get multitasking. I love products that do more than one thing. So there's no like the peel pads, for example, the Alphabeta peel. That's a product that's going to help with firming, build collagen, anti-aging and discolorations improve, pores look better. It helps complexion problems.

And that's because peels we know are amazing to build collagen and improve all the imperfections. But then you can add more ingredients to it. Because when you peel, you basically open the gates to other ingredients getting into the skin. So you can then deliver incredible profound effects by combining it with other ingredients that delivered while you do the peel. So all these things combined, it's just, it's a very scientific thing, but they're really easy to use. And what are those hero ingredients? Hero ingredients, basically four. So you have alpha and beta hydroxy acids. That's the one, I love those for peels as opposed to other things that are, I think, really irritating.

Vitamin C is a must. No matter what your age and no matter what your skincare concern, if you want to treat something or prevent, if you start to see those little crinkly things around the eyes and you think about how your mother looked when she was your age, that's your destiny. Vitamin C is an incredible ingredient because it's the only ingredient that stimulates collagen and itself as an antioxidant. Wow. Think about that.

That's crazy. Then retinol. Retinol is like another must. Retinol, I call retinol the master of surface imperfections. It is the one ingredient that works on all the problems that exist on the top layer of skin. You got to think of skin as having different levels, right? The top level, the top layer is where you get things like dullness. That's where large pores start to set in. Some of the uneven skin tones and discolorations live there. And what it does is

it's going to just enhance the top layer by increasing the cell turnover, it's called. Just basically, this just gives your skin more stimulation so that it just looks its best and it disintegrates discoloration. So retinol is a must. And then there's hyaluronic acid. This is an ingredient that hydrates internally. Okay, there's basically two different ways you can moisturize your skin. You can put moisturizing ingredients like oils and other things like phospholipids and ceramides and all these names you might have heard of on the top of your skin. All good, but sometimes, you know, those can enlarge your pores.

If you live in a warm climate, you don't want something heavy. Hyaluronic acid is an ingredient that actually gets into the skin and internally brings water into the skin and holds it there. So it's an amazing way to hydrate the skin, a great way to plump the skin without greasy side effects, right? And if you want, and then what I do, talk about the first thing I said, combine it with other ingredients that work on the top layer. But then you have that perfect balance between hydrating internally and moisturizing externally. And it's that balance, which is one of my big words. To me, no matter what you do, you have to get the skin to love what you're applying. And that means never overdoing it and yet introducing things that all work together so my

skincare line is all designed to work together the moisturizer the peel the eye creams the retinol all these things are designed to work the mask everything's integrated all you do is follow instructions amazing so what if you're hungover what would what would your recommendation be okay hungover well first of all I'm gonna tell you it starts before you can go out okay okay So what if you're hungover? What would your recommendation be? Okay, hungover. Well, first of all, let me tell you, it starts before you even go out. Okay. Okay. If you know you're at risk, right, for getting hungover because you're going to be drinking.

I might be at risk tonight. Okay. I think we're going to be at risk. Okay. So then here's what you're going to do. Hydrate. Okay. And I would definitely take like a vitamin B pill. Okay. because that's a really, and vitamin C,

but vitamin B complex gets rid of a lot of the water you retain that leads to puffiness the next day. And then plan on doing aerobic exercises tomorrow, right? So now you wake up and you're hungover, right? Well, what you want to do is you want to do the peel, the Alphabet of Peel pads. Every day you can do it? You should. Okay. 100%. But peeling is the fastest way to overhaul your skin.

That's what people come into my practice, they just plop down and say, I look tired, I look horrible, fix me quick. You always do a peel on them, right? So the peels are designed to be used on a daily basis because it's what I've done in my practice that is responsible for my success largely and I've created a way that make him work so that you can just use them every day and keep up with the aging process people think that aging is something occurs like oh my god like how look how much older I look a year later it's actually it's happened day by day mm-hmm so you want to do

something on a regular daily basis. So prevention. Prevention and keeping up with it. You will never do better than that. So if you're hungover, I do the peel. I use vitamin C eye cream. I put on a little retinol and I would, I'd use a hyaluronic acid moisturizer. In other words, do all the things that you know, all the ingredients I just mentioned

that because they're going to turn things around quickly and no matter whether you're hungover or not, you can look your best. I love it. So we're deep here now. We're product line, successful practice. You've been at this a long time. Can we go back a little bit? How did you get into skincare? How did you become so fascinated with all these products and with taking care of skin and prevention and all these things?

Absolutely. Absolutely. In a way, life's a journey. I would never have thought I was going to be doing this, sitting here talking about it like this. I was a skin cancer researcher. That's what I started. I was really a high-powered molecular biology person

doing skin cancer research at a pretty famous medical center called Sloan Kettering. And so I was just interested in science. That's just my thing. You know, and I just have a knack for it. I know that. But I also just loved it at a young age. So I went into research and it was my job

to take care of the skin cells that the Institute was actually using for research. And taking care of tissue culture cells, like growing them in a test tube. I had to learn like what makes cells normal and abnormal, like flourish. What do they like? How do you feed them? How much oxygen do you give them? What's the perfect temperature? What do they look like under the microscope when what I called happy? I had like happy cells, right? And then you also look at disease cells and you look at environmental things that you know make the skin not happy. So what does it look like then under the microscope?

I learned all these things and I was then the guy responsible at a young age for this entire institute. I was just growing like these cells and just distributing it, you know, by the pound, you know, and then it started going around the world. Anyway, so I was really big on the research. And then I started taking care of cancer patients and it was really, it was hard for me emotionally, you know. And so I said, you know what, let me go into dermatology, catch moles before they become melanoma and cancers and kill people and not spread. And then, truth be told, got married and started looking at labels of the famous products in the day. And they were great, beautiful packaging, you know, but then I looked

at the label and I said, what is, I can't believe they're thinking that this is going to work on fine lines and wrinkles, or this is going to work on a complexion, or this is going to bring back radiance or work on discoloration. And it was just, the industry was nowhere. And so I started to create products. And the first thing I created was the Alphabet Appeal. And it was something that in the day, people thought that it had to be really something that irritated your skin. Like I had beauty editors, really big time people saying I was nuts because I was saying, you can get great results from appeal. You can do it every day and it can be gentle. And in fact, the industry, the time was saying, no, you got results from a peel. You can do it every day and it can be gentle. And in fact, the industry at the time was saying, no, you got to get red.

You got to get raw skin. You have to be peeling. You have to look like garbage for a week. And then you get the results. The truth is, A, you didn't look good. And B, who needed the downtime? So I proved them wrong. And that was like a game of the confidence and the notoriety.

And we got a lot of press. And then I just, the momentum has not stopped since. And you work every day in your office as well? Okay. So you do injectables. Can you talk to me about exactly what you're doing on a day-to-day basis? All cutting edge stuff. Dermatology and cosmetic dermatology. I'm doing all the injectables.

I'm doing Botox, I do laser. I still do a fair amount of skin cancer work. You know, I'm big on that. People come in for beauty, you know, we still put them in a gown and check their skin. I think it's really the responsible thing to do. But in terms of the aesthetics, it's really come a long way. So we have the best lasers where, you know,

and I'll tell you the big deal, and even here science plays a role because, you know, science, look, beauty is still a big business, right? And I still get these people walking in trying to sell me something, you know, a laser that they say your patients will love this. I have to resort to my scientific background and really evaluate things.

And I will tell you, half the things out there i don't offer because i don't believe in that so what's an example of one of those things i don't like fraxel okay is that microderm no i don't like microderm either you don't no why don't you like it because peels are better peels are a better way to microderm is a way to like it's a microderm abrasion that's antiquated right if you look the way you do a microdermabrasion is it actually uses particles who abrade the skin right to actually get rid of this that's a mechanical removal of skin you better off using these gentle acids that cause

me called detachment that just takes things off evenly as opposed to scratching them with that surface right it's just a just a nicer, gentler way to go. The more gentle a procedure, the better the skin likes the results. What about microneedling? I like it. You do? Absolutely. With the key to microneedling though, which is again what we're doing that's different,

is it's not just the microneedling. It's what you actually use to inject into the skin with those microscopic needles. Okay. So we're using vitamin C, we're using hyaluronic acid. I think the PRP stuff, I don't know, where you take a person's blood, spin it down, get their serum and inject it, definitely helps them because there's growth factors. How much more natural can you get than your own body?

So microneedling I love. And then the lasers, the bottom line is that, you know, there are certain lasers that are fantastic, and the biggest point here is that there's no such thing as one laser does all, right? There's no such thing as a jack of all trades because they really are the master of none. So, you got to get the best laser for redness, the best laser for brown, the best laser for firming. Then you need another laser that firms a little deeper. Ulthera is an incredible new device that we're doing here. At first, I must tell you, it's been around for a while, and I never got into the office

because it was painful, it was a lot of downtime, and the results were not great. However, to their credit, what they did now, I'm now completely on board is it's ultrasound guided. So literally you use an ultrasound device, you look at a person's skin on a screen and you can see the full thickness of skin and you can say, oh my goodness, look at they're missing collagen right down at the bottom layer. And you can target to like within a 64th of an inch, where are you going to put your laser? And you can stimulate collagen exactly where they need it. So if it's a deep line, a wrinkle, if it's a crease or just a little bit of crinkly to the skin, it's all a collagen story. That's the thing. And that's what I do with my

line too. Everything stimulates collagen. So this is a device now that you can target with the ultrasound exactly where you want to put it. And it bypasses the top layer of skin so there's no downtime there's no redness is no flaking and it's an extraordinary way to lift the skin prevent problems neck responds beautifully neck has been a real challenge and I've been telling my patients just wait just you know because they all that they don't really want to get a neck lift it's a really gory procedure so I just told him to wait and I've been right because now we got something. It's 2017. Now, so it's a laser you're talking about. Could I use that on my son mustache or is that more about collagen and what should I use on my son mustache? Okay.

No, it's not. The answer is none of the above. Okay. Okay. And this is a really important teaching point. What you're seeing is really the result of hormones, be it from birth control pills or being a young woman, peak reproductive years with high internal levels naturally of female hormones, plus some sun, right? A little bit of San Diego and a little bit of those hormones combined give this pigmentation to the upper lip. The best thing for that is something called IPL, intense pulse light laser. I've had that before. Right. Only way to go. And if that's

not moving the needle, you add a peel to it. But the difference is that you got it. And this is a mistake people I see being told and misguided is you don't want to use the same laser on that that you use for sunspots because they may look the same, they may have the same color, but in fact, the sunspots are growth and needs its own laser. What you have is melasma, which is a deposit of pigment that needs to be disintegrated and in fact is not a growth, it's a deposit, which is a totally different thing on a biological level. No one has ever told me that, and I have gone to so many different places. Yeah.

Yeah. And this is what you need to do. I wrote, I have an article, I wrote for theobserver.com, and this is the kind of thing, this is what people are yearning to hear about. And so that point alone empowers people to go and get the proper treatment, just knowing the difference. Because I think it's muddled out there, but you'll see that's what you need and that's what you want to do. Let's talk a little bit about some of the advice you would provide. There's a lot of young listeners here, I'd say under 30. And a lot of people don't put a lot

of thought into their skin leaves. I never did when I was below 30 and before I got with Lauren, and she started dissecting me every day. But you don't think about it a lot as a young person because you don't really see too many problems besides maybe acne, but you don't start to see fine lines and wrinkles. What would you tell somebody that's young and starting to think about their skin regimen now? Right. You've got the opportunity to know the time in your life.

You have a window of opportunity to like no other time in your life you have a window of opportunity to prevent problems. It's absolutely possible nowadays to do if it matters to you if that's what your goal is

you're better off preventing than waiting too long and treating and correcting. So I'll tell you a little interesting story. There was a study once done that a person

I think she was like 26, 27 years old they paid her a lot of money to take a little piece of her skin, a little biopsy around her eye here. And she looked gorgeous, had no problem, but under the microscope on her skin biopsy, you can already see breakdown of collagen. You could see the formation of those crow's feet before you even saw it. And that's a landmark study that proves that things happen below the surface when you're still young

that are your destiny that's going to definitely be on the surface. Before you see it on the surface. So now, if we know that if you want to avoid lines and wrinkles, for example, right, then it all comes back to collagen, which are the fibers in skin that give skin its structure, give skin its firmness. And when you're young, you've got a lot of it. But as you get older, due to sun, wear and tear, movement, aging process, pollution, it breaks it down.

So the sooner you start ingredients that keep your collagen levels really stimulated and create more collagen, it's going to make a huge difference. We just created this product. It's called Spectralight. Did you see this? I have it, the glasses? Wait, is it the glasses, the Cyclope glasses?

Yes, we love them. I was wearing those the other day. This is a device now that people, like the audience you're talking about, if they care, it's like a high-tech product. You wear it for three minutes a day and you just have to just push the button, but it releases LED light.

And LED light's used right down the hall in this office to stimulate collagen so these are things vitamin c serum retinol serum spectra light i'd i'd the eye device all these things for this age group are ideal so easy but you can really prevent and if you have a little bit of lines and you want to get rid of them, it works great too. So my point is, aging just creeps up on us, but it's totally predictable. So what you want to do is you want to just get ahead of it and try and just prevent it. And the technology, the know-how is all there. It just has to be simple. And that's what we specialize in. So let's maybe use me as a guinea pig a little bit okay i didn't start paying attention to this stuff until about a year ago and now i'm trying to pay attention i'm one of those type of people if you show me the way show

me the light then i'll i'll be regimented about to try it so i do wash the face put on the cream this is your eye cream i use the eye serum the vitamin c you stuff really black eyes looks good but they're getting better better what would you tell someone is there a way that I can kind of slow down or reverse some of the aging Lauren was talking

she wanted me to get Botox but I didn't know if I should do that or not right so I'm kind of I'm basically getting a consultation here sure

which is why I started this podcast so I could sit down with people like you okay got it so let me tell you first of all this is a conversation

that could take an hour but let me just get to the bullet points okay here we go so here's the thing number one under eye circles huge problem out there Let me tell you, first of all, this is a conversation that could take an hour, but let me just get to the bullet points. Okay. Here we go. So here's the thing. Number one, under eye circles, huge problem out there.

Let me just tell you one thing to know. There's two reasons people get under eye circles. One is because you actually have discoloration in the skin. The other is because the skin thins out and below it are like veins, right? And veins become more obvious, and you get dark circles because the skin, as it thins out in those cases, shows them, just more transparent. So you've got to know which one is yours. All you want to do is just lift the skin up off your lower lid a little bit,

look in the mirror, and you can see, hey, if the discoloration looks like it's better, by doing that it means your skin's thinned out, and it's unique because now you lifted it off the veins, and it goes away for that reason you need vitamin c to stimulate collagen right wow that is a great okay and the other way the other way you need what we're talking about with this now you need retinol because retinol is the master of surface imperfections it is the way to help work and brighten the skin and it will help get rid of this coloration now vitamin c can do a little bit of both, right?

But it seems to me that you probably had a little thinning, a little hollowing, right? Just looking at you. So vitamin C for your under eye issues, perfect, because you need more collagen. Not the retinol, for me. No, retinol is okay, but your problem is your skin. It's probably genetic, right? So continue using. 100%.

It's continuing to work. Botox. Botox, look, the biggest work. Botox. Botox. Look, the biggest misconception about Botox, first of all, I don't believe in saying no to young people, okay? I'm not, I'm more of an East Coast practicing dermatologist. I'm not someone who just like believes in like the Kardashian movement, you know, and just like doing it all just because it exists and because more is better.

I kind of think the other way around. I think you want to just do what's right, save the bigger guns for later, and keep your skin really looking natural and keeping everything in balance, right? So the bottom line with Botox for you, Botox isn't a bad idea. Let me tell you why. Because the lines that you have, right, those lines are going to get deeper as you get older. You just happen to have an expressive forehead. And that's going to deepen the lines. And Botox taking the edge off that movement. I'm not talking about making you look stiff.

I would bet you half people wouldn't even know you got it if it was done right. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I mean, I'm super open. I wouldn't mind. But I was just, I didn't want me to look stiff. And I like facial expression. I think for men it's okay to have facial expression. And I didn't, yeah, I mean, Lauren I didn't want me to look stiff. And I like facial expression. I think for men, it's okay to have facial expression. And I didn't, you know, I mean, Lauren thinks my forehead's going to fall over my eyes

and I'm just going to have like a flap of skin that lives over my face. I can, you know, look, well, big picture, right? There's baby Botox, which I think is great for younger people. You know, just, you just need enough to take the edge off to reduce that wear and tear that's creating those creases and making them deeper. And how many units just takes the edge off? For him, what you do is, what I would do is I would do about 10 units. That's nothing, Michael.

But I would dissolve it in like, I would dilute. I do mixtures for everybody. I customize stuff like this. Wow. stuff like this. So it would take like 10 units, put it in a lot of fluid and put little shots throughout the entire forehead to get an even kind of distribution for more global, just smoothing out. I've never even heard of someone that can do that. I started Botox when I was 21 and I'm so glad I did because it just kind of opens right here, took care of my 11s. I feel good about it. Right. Okay. Well, now that I've talked to an actual, like, certified scientific doctor, then maybe

I'm open to it. But, you know, like, I didn't want to just go into some random shop with a needle and have some guy just slam, you know, whatever in my face. No, I hear you. It's just, there's a definite art to the science, and I think that the real way to make people look great is to just keep them with some movement but just soften the expressions because it's going to... The lines you see now in the absence of movement are going to get deeper.

And that's the gold standard to me. If you have lines on your forehead, for example, that are only there when you raise your brow, you might be able to get away a little bit. But once those lines are there, even if you don't raise your brow, then you know those lines are going to get deeper. I think I've read a lot as a kid, and I think when I read, I look up because I have low set eyes, and I think that I squint in my forehead a lot.

I want to talk about injectables because you're very, very smart with this. I want to talk about the lips and this craze that's happening right now. Love lips, yeah. Okay, so talk to me about what's the right way to do it. Right, let's do it. Okay, first of all, look, the right way to do it is to talk to the person and really

evaluate them as an individual, right? So what you got to do is you have to evaluate the shape of their lips, the size of the lips. You got to evaluate the border of their lips, which is different. How distinct is the border? A lot of people just have flat borders and they don't have or have no border. Other people might have just a little bit of volume loss, right? They need bigger lips. So you got to evaluate the lips for the border, the body of the lip itself and then there's

a difference between the size of lip and how long it is, right? And certain people need a little bit of what's called elongation, right? Because if you have to see how the lips fit in comparison to the rest of their face and literally sit down, turn the patient to the mirror, and we play together and say, well, let's look at this. Or they bring in a photograph. And that's very helpful. So you then will customize the treatment for the lips, the fillers, for the person's individual needs.

So you might just want to, if a person has one lip that's smaller than another, you can actually help a lot to make them look just better by equalizing the size. When you do that, you might say, okay, the smaller lip needs to be enhanced, but you naturally look better with a little bit of a difference in the size of your lips. Let's maintain that. So add more to the smaller lip and add a little bit to the bigger lip just to keep that proportion the same. Then there are people who have great, like you do, great cheekbones, sculpted. I think of the shape of the face as five different types. There's round, there's oval, there's more square shape, even more heart-shaped face.

It's bigger here, right here, and it contours this way and it streamlines into your chin so once you have higher cheekbones then you can actually elongate the lips a little bit and then you can get this more beautiful voluptuous look which is gorgeous and sexy but it fits you. So I did this video on my website where I actually show the difference because people don't even think about the difference between elongation and just taking the lips and just making them bigger. So you can sculpt the lip. Okay.

So it's just, there is an art there. So it's not like, you know how they come out as like a platypus, you know what I'm saying? Right, oh that's terrible. Yeah because they're not looking, that's one of the biggest mistakes right they're not looking at both elements that's correct and also those people are getting too much they're getting injected too high up in the lip or not deep enough and there's a whole and that's beyond the conversation we have but there's a technique to knowing where exactly along the lip itself to inject.

You can inject close to the border, or you can inject further down into the midline, what's called the wet-dry border, right, where it's towards the middle point. That's just the way to be able to differentiate just a little plumping and a lot of plumping. I actually have two questions about lips. Yeah.

The first question is, someone told me this once, and I wanted to know if it was true. They told me that you look older if your upper lip is covering your teeth and that teeth are very youthful. So whenever you get injections, you want the lip to be showing teeth. I like that. Do you agree with that? I think that's smart.

I do. But you also have to, when you're injecting, the lip to be off like showing teeth i like that do you agree i think that's smart i do but you also have to when you're injecting you always have to stop and say smile i always do this inject a little bit smile because you you can't just give lips to lips to someone to make it look great when their lips are together and they're thinking you know and they're at rest then you have to say okay let's smile because now everything becomes more animated their cheeks lift their eyes become open their brows go up their teeth show and everyone's smile is very specific right and then how the teeth look as you frame them with your lips is another thing you want to do so I'm concentrating on all these different things when you actually lips the most

complicated by far but it's my expertise because it's lots of little variables that you can when you do it right it's gorgeous and then is and then and then keeping what filler you use that's another conversation okay okay because there's certain fillers like Restylane, where if you're just going to do little subtle stuff, Restylane, you put it in, it stays put. Okay. Juvederm is for people who want really bigger lips, who can hold it, who can actually look good with that. But they act very differently. So you got to decide whether you're a Restylane person or a Juvederm person. How can you tell the difference? Because that's what, I mean, you sit down with

a patient and you ask them, well, what do you want to look like? What works for you? So if someone's sitting down with their doctor or their physician, they should be asking these questions. I think so. And if they're not getting, if these questions are not being answered or maybe the guy that's a practitioner or a woman that's a practitioner, if they're not asking,

maybe you should revisit if you're going to go with that person. That's sort of why I want to talk to him. That's what I'm here to say. Absolutely. What about this new technique they're doing on Instagram where they put the piece of floss in the middle of the bottom lip? Have you seen this? To do what? So the doctor goes and puts a piece of floss on the bottom lip to create like a little divot right there. And then he puts it on one side and puts it on the other needle. Yeah's you know you don't need the floss to do that you know it's all about whether you inject from the middle out or from the sides in you know it depends on the individual but you also and you have a conversation you know you want to do that you can do that that's the it's all about the

design that fits the person's and you know look and it all depends on what that look they're looking to get is all about. Right, makes sense. It's like a dress. One dress isn't gonna look the same on everyone. It's gonna flatter people in a different way. So everyone's different. 100%.

I mean, I just think that's so important for everyone out in the audience to hear that you really need to pay attention to your face shape, talk with your doctor. Is there any other advice that you can give someone? Well, with lips, I think the question is, you know, if it's something you really want, go slow. You know, I'm a big believer.

I really feel strongly about, you know, I do something. I have them come back in a week. And if we need to do more, we add it. You can't take it back once it's in. And so you can always think you back once it's in and so you can you can always think you're going to get it perfect but you just never know so never overdo it do it and then and then if you want more add more but you don't want to just go crazy assuming it's right and then say oh man i gotta wait six weeks or eight weeks until this comes down because it's right and then say, oh man, I got to wait six weeks or eight weeks until it comes down because it's too big for me or just I don't like this.

Fantastic advice. Under eye circles with filler. What's your thoughts there? I love it in the right case. That is a game changer for people who look tired. I have so many people complaining about this tired look. A lot of people have allergies. You got to teach them about this too there's no question that

people who have allergies um start to get more hollowed out look even people with with eczema like facial conditions and there are people listening right now i guarantee you who know what i'm talking about they're going to see more of a hollowed look i love it i love restylane here because it stays put where you want it to go. And I have a very specific technique that I developed where I don't really go under the skin because it bruises badly and it also can lead to a lot of swelling. So the key thing is, again, pick the patient, make sure that the right candidate is suitable. You don't want to try to fit a round circle in a square peg. If it's not right

you got to tell them but if they do have a hollowness or they do have an under eye circle you can fill it the technique i like that i developed is actually inserting the needle as thin as the skin is you can actually get a fine needle into the middle of the skin not under it and once you do that it's sort of like once you inject it just follows its own path and you just put a little bit in and you massage it up i use of like once you inject it just follows its own path and you just put a little bit in and you massage it up i use this a device i have and just roll it into place and it's instantaneous and the swelling that people get which is a big problem is because it was put under the skin right it gets into the fat pad it gets below the skin so they get all the

swelling but if you put it in the skin remember fillers are designed to be intradermal. They're in the skin. And the skin being thin around the eyes, people overlook that. But that's what I want. That's a big teaching point. Right into the skin, you will get great results as long as it's right for you. Is there any dangers besides getting someone that doesn't know what they're doing? Is there dangers of filler? Dangers to filler? I don't know know is there anything that could be or like long term no no good question no no listen i'm a big fda you can listen the government's got some issues but this is this is one regulatory agency that really is worth our tax dollars you know they may be slow and you can argue and listen i know about the whole thing with cancer research, and they're slow to get things to the market.

Maybe too careful. But when it comes to the things that are available in the American marketplace, they are safe. I love the hyaluronic acid fillers. We talked about that. So the Restylans and Juvederms and Perlanes of the world, all good. But the biggest danger, I think your listeners should know is getting the wrong filler, right? And even if it's safe, even if it's approved, the wrong filler in the wrong place, that's the problem. And I have patients who come to me because they want me to

undo the problems. Can you do that? You know what you can in certain instances you can You can inject an enzyme to get rid of the rest of linen the Perlains and the Juvederms the hyaluronic acid fillers But radius is another filler got to be very careful with that Why because it's not really the same thing there. It's no there once you get it in you're stuck with it You know the same thing is true with something called sculptculptra, which is a great filler, but very limited number of people who can actually benefit from Sculptra because it's a very deep, dense filler that really, if you do it the wrong way or you do it inappropriately on the wrong person, can lead to these balls, nodules in the skin.

And the only thing you do is cut them out and then you have a surgical scar. It's terrible. So how do people, I mean, this is definitely something I'm not so experienced in at all, really. How do people figure this out, you know, before? Because I feel like a lot of people figure this out after the fact.

How would you preemptively kind of figure out what's right and what's wrong? I think the service you're providing right now, educational stuff like this, is the key. You have to do your research. You have to, um, you have to do your research. You have to ask the questions, you know? Um, I have to, I, this is, I don't know what else to say. I, I really, I create, it's not like trying a new diet. It's like, you know, it's a big deal. Knowledge is power. Yeah. And, and it's, it's, um,

there are unfortunately a lot of people who- Find out the hard way. Exactly. Find the hard way. So, you know, this is what we do. So talking about finding out the hard way, is there any, you know, you're right for the observer. Are there any trends that you see or have seen right now that you really like and then trends that you see that you really dislike currently? I love the latest trends as long as they're just followed. They're applied to the right person.

I do think this idea of maybe Botox is great. I think lips are great. Right ingredients, great. Peels, great. The right laser, there's no master of all. There's no such thing you've got to get. If you have red skin, you want to treat that. There's a laser just for that. You have discol want to treat that. There's a laser just for that.

You have discoloration, brown spots, there's a laser just for that. There's actually two different types because there's two different types of brown spots. What about broken capillaries? Definitely a great laser just for that. Are we looking at me again? Just for that. And you want to firm the skin up. You can do deep stuff.

But the non-invasive lasers, this is one thing I love now, is that you don't need to get this whole fraxel thing going, where you need to be red and raw and stay inside. And it's being touted as being something good for brown spots. It's touted as being something good for wrinkles. It's pretty radical stuff. You know, you get red and raw and you can't go out of the house for a couple days, maybe a week. I haven't gotten a peel since the very first time Lauren sent me because she sent me and I don't know if I even needed it at the time. It was like probably five, six years ago. Everyone needs a good peel.

But exactly what you said happened. I was like red and raw. He needs the peel pods. That's what he needs. Yeah. Laugh-A-Baited Peels, amazing product. I love the peel pods. I actually feel like it made it worse.

The peel pods, I bring them when I travel. I love how you put one on and then you put the other one on two minutes later that's key I love it right the product that's a product and that's it's the only two-step peel

in the world right oh really I didn't know that I have a patent on it that's the whole key cool that's because

there's no such thing as a one-step peel right and the key teaching there is that you come to my office for a peel you're going to get like step one

step two all the time you have to put on the acids. You always got to neutralize the acids. You can't put an acid in with a neutralizer in the same step because really what you're applying is water. Okay. What about mandelic serum? Mandelic serum is not a peel. Okay. It's an acid, right? It's mandelic acid is an acid. Okay. Right. And so you can use that, but then it doesn't work as a peel.

It works as something to increase cell turnover. It's not the same thing as a peel. Do you like Mendelic serum? I like Mendelic a lot. I use Mendelic in my products. It's in the peel pads. I have three different types of peel pads, a gentle, the original universal peel, and then the extra strength. What do you like for us?

I think extra strength for us, right? Or no? Where do you guys live? We live in San Diego. Uh-huh. Yeah us I think extra strength for us right or no where do you guys live we live in San Diego uh-huh um yeah I think so I think you always start with the original okay and if there's no issue there and then move up the ladder you both look good you can do it I will tell you one thing I hate the sun more than anything and I'm on this crusade with the with my audience with the skinny confidential to be an example of someone who does not go in the sun. I mean, I wear driving gloves.

I have a hat that's out to here, sunscreen. I don't go in the sun. Remember that old Seinfeld episode, like the urban sombrero? Yeah, that's me. That's perfect. How bad is the sun for your skin? Because people lay in the sun still.

Right. You can't be interested in looking younger and bake at the same time. Thank you. It's just impossible. I mean, the sun is, here's, I'll tell you, look, the sun is, we got a lot of, aging is built into living. Right.

Okay. So you already have cards stacked against you, right? The only thing external that really adds to that to any great degree is sun. I'm going to tell you that. And there's no question that, you know, is a different, burning is the absolute, I was a skin cancer researcher. I can tell you the number one risk factor is Sun burns, right? And if you're a mom, you definitely want to be careful with your kids because Sun burn at a young age increases the risk of skin cancer for the entire life of that young kid. So you have the responsibility to protect the kid,

but you also have the responsibility to protect yourself if you want to look younger because sun breaks down collagen. And also one of the bigger things is people don't know that pores aren't necessarily large-looking because of hygiene issues, because of oil and stuff collecting in it. Pores get bigger when the collagen fibers around them give way and that that tube called the that pore opens up when the skin becomes a little more thinned out so sometimes you get you get improve your pore size by doing anti-aging collagen treatments right whatever ingredients do that or lasers that do

that um so if you don't want your pores to look big, you got to be careful in the sun too. So there's a lot of issues with the sun, you know, health and beauty. I don't go in the sun too often. I mean, honestly, if I was, if I was standing against that wall, like with, you know, with no clothes on, you probably wouldn't even know I'm pale as a ghost. You are pale, but here's another thing. People don't realize, I think, incidental sun exposure. That's right. Getting out from your car to the market, I wear a hat. Like I have sunscreen on my hands people don't think about that that's right I did the math it's an article I wrote I did the math

ten minutes just if you did ten or twenty minutes a day just like you know running in just into the store to the car back and forth saying hi to somebody for a few by the end of these at the end of the year that's the equals it did like sitting in the year that's the equals like sitting in the sun lying on the beach for five full days straight if you do the math and that's just totally unacceptable so sun's really sun's really a hazard now the key thing about sunscreen my motto you gotta love your sunscreen you know okay men in particular are are difficult because they don't like the grease they

don't they're not used to wearing makeup they're not using anything on their face so you got to just use all these different sunscreens out there that are going to be lightweight if you have oily skin if you're acne prone it must say the word oil free on the label okay and that and only oil free because in this country if it says um things like won't clog pores, acne-prone skin, dermatology tested, water-based, blah, blah, blah, it's still by the letter of the law can't have oil in it. So only oil-free suits you, okay? And then you can get sunscreens now that are tinted, right? And people love this Instant Radiance I put together where you get this beautiful look and it looks like a foundation. I need to try that. But an SPF 30. And then another thing is that I've started to do is I've actually started to create ingredients in sunscreens. Like I have this one thing called

dark spot defense that actually has ingredients that prevent the formation of dark spots and treats dark spots in your sunscreen when you're in the sun, which is when you're at risk. Wow. That's amazing. And you know what the ingredient... Melatonin is the ingredient which people have taken for sleep issues. There's research and not just mine, because I believe in taking the knowledge that's out there.

And so there were people actually in Switzerland who did the research and I proved it to be true. You can add ingredients to sunscreen to fight dark spots and prevent them. So sunscreen and sun really, really important. Okay. So I want to talk about something that has to do with that. I think that you can look so youthful on your face, but if your neck and the side of your neck and your hands and your arms aren't looking youthful, that can be tricky. You bet. What do you recommend for that? Just sunscreen every single day? There's sunscreens you use. Absolutely. And then there, you see, here's the thing about neck. Neck's really a challenge, right? So it now, you asked me like, what are some of the things I'm really looking at and saying, wow, this is a good thing. What you can do at home now is really amazing,

as long as the science is behind it and has some breakthrough concepts. There's a way to produce a neck cream I did that actually is used to deliver ingredients to the skin of the neck. The neck itself is a very different organ than the facial. You can pinch the skin of your neck and you can feel it's thinner has a Different consisting that then if you pinched your cheek, right? So in order to get collagen stimulation into your neck, you need a certain what's called delivery system So that's that's science that we that we found to be to be Harnessed in the product and then you can actually create more collagen

So then there's and now this whole new laser thing I was talking about, this ultrasound guided laser, which is what we're doing, which is incredible, actually is working on the neck too. So what is the serum that you recommend for the neck? I have a neck cream. It's a neck cream. It's a neck, it's just for the neck. Exactly.

It has to be for neck only. And then you can make like that light, a neck turtle, like a turtleneck with your light thing and you can run around with the light and the glasses. Yeah, well that might be coming. Look out. Oh, that would be cool. Oh, LED's great. That would be amazing. Yeah, work and all this stuff. But the light for the eyes, spectral light for the eyes, it was on Nexus Hollywood.

It was just crazy what people were talking about. So we need one of the eye things and we need, the neck is different than the face. That's correct. So you do a facial serum and a neck serum. That's correct. That makes a lot of sense. And the back of the hands too. Back of the eye things and we need the neck is different than the face. That's correct. Facial serum and a neck serum. That's correct. That makes a lot of sense. And the back of the hands too.

Back of the hands, you know, you're smart to be careful in the sun because you get sunspots there. The skin of the hands is unique because it's one of the only places where skin overlies bone directly. There's no muscle. There's no fat. So thinning out there, and I can tell you a lot of patients of mine coming in because they were abusive in the sun and their skin's really thinned out. Now the veins are showing and we can put fillers in there. But why do you need to even, you know, for your younger audience, why would you even want to go there later?

Sunscreen on the hands. Don't forget tops of the feet. Don't forget that. So there's three things you would recommend to a young person to prevent all these things we're talking about. And they can start now. Easy things. Quick, easy things. Quick, easy things.

Sunscreen. Okay. Collagen building ingredients like we talked about. And which one of your products is the collagen building? There are a whole bunch of them. A bunch of them. Yeah, vitamin C. What's the one product they should get if they can get one product?

Where should they start? Well, where should they start? I would definitely start with the Alpha Beta it's just the it's the you guys i use it every day it's great it's really incredible okay and then what's the third thing the third thing would be i'd say the eyes you got to start to work on the eyes okay because the eyes are just like the neck is different from the face the eyes are different from the face. The eyes are different from the face as well. I need to focus more on my eyes. Eyes are key. And so I would use an eye product. And here, I got to say that the vitamin C eye cream is a smashing success. But if you want something for the lids, I create something that can actually use retinol on the lids because some people have crepey eyelids. So I have a product

you can put on in the morning that's worth like a makeup primer but it also has retinol and ferulic acid in it so it firms the texture of your lids wow or and then you can use vitamin c cream under the eyes at night okay you know because it's the top and then the spectra light for the eyes so the point is peels i would definitely be careful in the sun and i would use vitamin and i would use an eye cream. Okay. So where can someone go and find all these things and listed how, like, how do we find what to do and when to do it and where it goes? Right. Well, you can. Or is there like a resource that you would point people towards?

Look on my website. I have two websites. One is DG Skincare, Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare, which is, which is what we talk about all the different educational things about products, and then my website, which is my DennisGrossMD.com website, which is my clinical stuff, where we can talk about lasers, and we teach, and I do a lot of videos. And I know in two to three minutes, you can tell people everything they need to know to really seek the right treatments for themselves, know what the pitfalls are, and know if it's right for them.

Okay? So I am all about creating content and educating. And I write a lot of salient articles twice a month for TheObserver.com. No, I think it's extremely smart. Yeah. Obviously, while you're having success, you're having part of the reason.

But I love education, and I think that that is the power. Like you said, I really do. So it's doable. It's not spelled out for you. And, you know, I can tell you that the aging process is predictable, you know, and one of the things I recommend to your audience who clearly want to do everything they can, how do you self-assess? What do you really do?

Well, what you do is you look at your skin and divide it up into three zones, right? The forehead, the middle area, and then the mouth area, right? Those three zones have their own predictable pattern of aging, right? So the forehead, you might have lines only when you raise your brow at first, and then as you get older, the lines are there permanently, even if you don't raise your brows and then the next level would be the brow lines are really deep, right? The forehead lines are really deep. That's the predictable pattern of the eyes of the other forehead.

Eye area, same thing. You have sometimes you have crow's feet in the beginning when you're young, smooth beautiful skin then you start to see like a little crepiness, right? That's a second level. Then you start to get little fine lines and those turn into wrinkles. That's the predictable aging pattern around the eyes, okay? And then the mouth area, right? You have lines in the nasolabial folds. You have lines down here around the lips. Even the lips get smaller. And then as time goes on, they start to worsen in a predictable way. I recommend people look at their moms, look at their dads,

say, who do I resemble? What are the areas that I see aging in my parents? And you can identify for yourself what your future holds, what your destiny is by seeing and predicting where you are the most vulnerable. Get on it fast. That's one of the most important things is identifying. It's true of medicine in general. Identify your risks and of the most important things is identifying, it's true of medicine

in general, identify your risks and be the most aggressive to prevent them. And aging is predictable. On my website, I wrote a book a couple of years ago called Your Future Face. It's downloadable for free. Oh, I need to read that. I have in the midsection of the book are photographs of the stages, the levels of aging, okay, for the three different zones of face. And you can score yourself. I did, I just created a self-assessment quiz. You can actually score yourself by taking these questions. And then you can, it can tell you where you're with, where you're level one, two, three, four, and identify for yourself where you are

predictably mostly going to age. And then at the end of the day, say, yeah, that makes sense because that's what happens to my mom most of the time. And then you have some remedies, right? So I think that for the people out there who are interested in getting ahead of it and preventing and targeting, there's a scientific method to it. And that's what the book is about. It's called Your Future Phase. It's on my website. It's free, downloadable as you much as you're looking online too. And then there's amazing technology ingredients, you know. I think that you just have to be smart. We have all our stuff in Sephora's around the world.

And those people, I think you can just ask them. We do a lot of educational stuff to our retail people, to the difference of we're in a Kenyan ranch, we're all over the best of the spa industry as well. I create products and I create peels that the estheticians use in spas around the world. So you can use those people's resources too. Because we teach the people who sell our products

at these stores and these spas. And the teaching comes directly from me. Okay, I have two more questions. I promise they'll be quick. Anyone out there with acne, is this product all good for acne? Incredibly good. The peel, the Alphabeta peel is great.

Okay, because acne, a lot of people deal with that. Huge. One thing I do want to touch on before we go is inflammation. I told you I had double jaw surgery. Right, dude. I've been fighting inflammation for the last three years. The weather change, a flight. What can we do for inflammation? Okay. When you say inflammation, you mean like the skin gets a little bit red?

No. I mean, it's like puff, like you get a little puffy. From my surgery, I noticed that when I fly or travel, it gets a little, a little bloated. Like I almost need lymphatic drainage. You do. You hit the nail on the head. Yay. Clearly what's happening to you is that you had surgery and you had some disruption to the lymphatic circulation.

Okay. And that is going to, when you fly, the pressure changes, right? And it actually allows for that... That's why people's legs swell. That's why people get blood clots. They can be graphic, but people get blood clots, it's a huge thing, right? That's why you tell people who are taking long flights, get up in the middle of the flight and walk around a little bit and stretch.

Those things because vessels open and they leak, so you get swelling in the ankles. You because if surgery unique to you, you had a disruption in lymphatics leak so you get swelling in the ankles you because if surgery unique to you you had a disruption in lymphatics so you're swollen that way yours is more of a mechanical thing it's not really a skincare issue right right so what you can do things like this number one you have to low salt diet for a couple days before you fly okay no about it. I really am a believer in vitamin B complex vitamins because it's a natural diuretic. How's liquid B12? Beautiful. Okay. Is there a brand or a company that you'd like? He doesn't care. Buy an American USP pharmaceutical grade product in any of these great stores around this country. Okay. You can just,

but B complex vitamins are a really good thing. I'm like running to Amazon to buy that. And then aerobic exercise. The more you speed up circulation, right, the more times your bloodstream is flowing through your kidneys, the more you're going to start to make more urine and you're going to pee it out. So you're going to reduce some of the swelling that way too. So aerobic exercise vitamin b and the only other thing you might consider and low salt because salt adds to swelling um you know i wouldn't be surprised if you probably couldn't avoid it by it swells in

the lower part of your face really bad yeah and i insist on getting a facial every single time we travel and i tell the facialist manipulate my face and massage my face. Yeah. And it's the only thing that contours my face back to normal. How long does it take? The second I leave, I feel like I've lost five pounds in my face. Amazing. It's amazing.

And then I just pee, pee, pee, pee, pee. Perfect. You're doing the right thing. Okay. But then I have a glass of wine and then it goes kind of back up but well wine is you know

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