The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Amanda Jo ‘The Organic Bunny’ On The Rise Of Infertility, Forever Chemicals, Toxic Homes & Products, & Healthier Choices To Make

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

#825: Join us as we sit down with Amanada Jo – better known as The Organic Bunny, a leading voice in the world of organic & non-toxic living. Once drawn to all things girly & glamorous, Amanda Jo��s perspective shifted after witnessing loved ones battle cancer & other life-threatening illnesses, with harmful chemicals & parabens playing a major role. Now, she is a powerhouse in the clean beauty space, a fierce advocate for organic pet care, & someone who isn’t afraid to expose industry BS. In this episode, Amanda Jo reveals the truth about the hidden toxins in your everyday products, the dangers lurking in your home, & the toxic items lining store shelves! To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To connect with The Organic Bunny click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone]. This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. Visit theorganicbunny.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off. This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential For a better choice and peace of mind in your home, shop The Skinny Confidential Toilet Paper at shopskinnyconfidential.com.  This episode is sponsored by Smart Mouth Find SmartMouth at Walgreens, Walmart, Amazon or visit smartmouth.com/skinny to snag a special discount on your next SmartMouth purchase. This episode is sponsored by Primal Kitchen Head to primalkitchen.com/skinny to save 20% off your next online order with code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/SKINNY.  This episode is sponsored by NOBULL Visit nobullproject.com/tsc for 30% off your entire order. This episode is sponsored by The Farmer’s Dog Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping! This episode is sponsored by Kettle & Fire Kettle & Fire Maui Nui Venison Bone Broth is available right now at Whole Foods stores nationwide. Learn more at kettleandfire.com/mauinui. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This episode is for someone who wants to really inspect every area of their life from a non-toxic aspect. I found this really interesting because I'm constantly looking to just edit my life, like I'm obsessed with it. And I love hearing from someone who's really embraced such a non-toxic organic lifestyle. Amanda Jo, you know her as the Organic Bunny. She's the leading voice in the world of organic and non-toxic living. And in this, we're going to talk harmful chemicals, parabens that play a major role in the beauty space. She also gives us options on what to switch.

What I like about this episode is she gives us easy quick swaps. So I'll be like, what do we need to have our pets eating? And she'll tell us she's done all the research and she really exposes the industry and all the hidden toxics that are in our everyday products. I geeked out with her on this episode. I also went to her site and bought so many products. Like I can't even tell you, I got some shampoo. I got my dog's products. I got them this spray for their paws that is non-toxic.

And I also got some makeup and skincare. So they have really great things for pregnancy on their site too. And there's a code for you at the end that you can use on her site. I think I used my own code. Let's welcome the organic bunny, Amanda, to the Him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her. Okay, Amanda, let's expose some shit.

Oh, let's do it. Yep, this is going to be an episode that's going to... Is this episode going to just stress me out the whole time? Probably. Probably everyone, just's do it. Yep, this is gonna be an episode that's gonna... Is this episode gonna just stress me out the whole time? Probably. Probably. Probably, everyone, just stop listening now. I feel like you're one of the only people that will understand this.

So we had to repaint our house. Like, what is it? Like, we had to get some fix-ups. We just needed a paint job. It was like, just needed to touch up. Like, the inside walls? Yeah. Yeah, and so I DM'd,. Like the inside walls? Yeah.

Yeah. And so I DM'd, I should have DM'd you too. I DM'd Ryan from Test My Home and I was like, send me which paints are acceptable because paint is fucking disgusting. And if you're pregnant and you have a two year old and a five year old, like I just want to be crazy. So he sent me the four acceptable brands, which I think would pass the organic bunny test. Probably. And I sent it to the person painting my house. And so yesterday I'm like at my house, they're painting, which I don't know why you booked it.

It was a touch up job, like in one bathroom off to the corner. It was fun. So then I looked at the paint and it wasn't on the list. Ah, ah. I can't. What would you do? Burn the house down.

Burn the house down. Burn the house down. Ha ha ha! Burn the house! See, my reaction was tame compared to hers. Please don't burn the house down. I burned... No, I can't see. You... You would freak out, right?

Oh yeah. We're in an app. Like, if you even heard my life, you would just... Your life would be a breeze. I am gonna hear your life right now. We're gonna do it. The renovation project we're in is like three years. We don't have a whole front of the house because of the stuff like that every

step of the way. You're just like micromanaging adult babies that don't care. Well it's not even a it's it's the pushback of people just being like they don't care. It's not a big deal. Exactly. And you're like but it is to me. Yeah. No. What's the renovation process with you guys like that is scary to try to build a home for you guys. I would be scared. We're not building a home. We, you know, we are from San Diego. Okay.

We do dog rescue in China, so I knew COVID was going to be bad. We knew how bad it was. It was shutting everything down. So I'm like, they're talking about like, vaccinating everyone, locking things down. Like, we got to go somewhere where we can just be left alone. So we literally found a house on the internet, bought it, and moved to Washington. We had never been there. I don't like Washington.

I really don't want to live in Washington. But it was a huge house. We have six dogs. So it was a couple acres. Leave us alone. We just kind of went and just in our own bubble until COVID was over. And you're still there. Yes.

But you're renovating a house. Well, now I'm, now we're trapped there because the house we bought was from this guy who built it himself and apparently in Washington that's legal to do. So if you wanted to just build a house, you can just go build a house, literally was go to Home Depot and buy supplies and build a house. So it's completely different than California. So we've learned painful lessons. Um, so yeah, I have lime leaves. Well, California, you can't build anything until by the time you get permitted lessons. So yeah, I have Lyme disease.

Well, California, you can't build anything. By the time you get permitted, it'll be five. You have Lyme's disease. Yes, so I have Lyme disease. So everything had to be even more extreme because mold makes me even more sick. So yeah, the whole outside of the house had to be demoed off because the stucco, who builds a house in Washington

was stucco, first of all, like that's so dumb. Why? I don't know about it. I don't know anything about that. Well, stucco is like porous, it's just thin stucco. So apparently, you're not even supposed to use that material. Okay. Great. Demo off the whole side of the house.

I'm trying to think of a short version, not waste everyone's ear balls. Demo the whole house. Contractor's a nightmare, same thing as you. Just doesn't care, almost ran our dogs over three different times, driving while they're outside. Contractors a nightmare same thing as you just doesn't care almost ran our dogs over three, you know Three different times driving while they're outside Wrong materials put in the wrong windows door

I mean literally anything you could think of that went wrong has so we're in a complete stop because we're in a dispute with them This is what happens. He was saying he wants to build a house. You got a it's a lot of work Oh, you'll be at least five years Well, we're in Texas. Yeah, I mean, if you can find a contractor you trust, maybe, but I don't know. Listen, I lived, I came from California. We actually built a medical building one time in Escondido. How long did it take?

It took five years for the fucking permit. Exactly. And the tenant was the partner. Yeah. I had led that project and I just like, I mean, that was the last, I mean, not to shit all over California all the time, but I was like, why, like who the hell gets anything done over here? I think in Texas, you can apply for permits in 30 days and if 30 days they haven't

gone back to you can start building. After everything with your background, Amanda, which we're going to get into, what has been the most shocking thing that you have discovered that blew your mind? I think how bad Botox really is. So I don't know if most people know it, but it's the most toxic substance on earth. So that's just kind of crazy that over the year as we've been conditioned to think it's okay.

They actually, I don't know if you know, but when they first discovered, what is it, botulinum main ingredient of Botox that's so toxic, they actually used it for war. So I don't know if you knew that. So it kills... In what capacity? So they just, in aerosol form, just...

Well, they never actually used it, but they were studying to use it. So there is conflicting reports. Some say they did start using it, but... To injure or to kill, like to fight? To kill. And so they inhale, you inhale it and it paralyzes your lungs. You can't breathe, you die.

So, and people, women are dying. Women and men are dying from it literally stopping their breathing. So I think just, I knew Botox was bad. I'm 41, you know, you're starting to age and you wanna get those things, you know? And then I just, with my Lyme disease, especially when you're immune compromised, you really, it's like kind of hard to know.

So I had to accept that I wasn't getting it and kind of make peace with it. But then you find out things like that and you're just like, wow, that's, I had no idea it was used for a war. And even if you go to the CDC website right now, it's a category A bioterrorism risk or something insane. So-

When you decide to be a bloodhound and investigate something, how does that work? It's really just curiosity. It's not that I'm It's really just curiosity. It's not that I'm like afraid of the ingredients. I feel like I'm kind of similar to you. Like I just want to know the truth and then I'm going to decide, you know,

is this worth it or not? Cause I do plenty of things that aren't good for me, you know? So it's really just a curiosity. I want to know what it is. I want to know the truth. I want to know both sides. This is the bad, this is the good, and I'll make my decision.

So it's really just a strong curiosity, and I feel like we never get the truth of anything. So I really just always want to like looking for the truth. When did you realize you could build a brand around looking into these toxins and chemicals and ingredients and products? When I first started, it was honestly just, again, I wanted to share information.

I've been like a true teller since I was a kid. I got kicked out of Girl Scouts for telling some girl that her mom was a smoker. Um, so I've always just been like, oh, you know this, you know, it's just a big loud mouth, just telling everyone the truth. So I've always, it's always just been my personality. So I started the Organic Bunny page

because I was learning about organic food and like how organic had a number on a sticker at the grocery store. And like the other ones weren't organic. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, so I just like felt like I had to just share the truth and I went through a period of where I would literally go to everyone's page and be like,

do you know what that did? And then I was like, hey, that doesn't work. These people don't care. They don't want to hear from me. So I was like, I'm gonna just start sharing my tips on my own page and people that want them can have them. And so yeah, it really just started as I was working for a footwear company at the time.

So I was doing marketing for a footwear company in San Diego, doing that on the side. And it was really just, I had no clue that it was going to become a business at all. So what are some products that you think our audience would think are healthy that are just not god I was looking at Sephora clean just to kind of prep for this because I just hired a new photographer And she was telling me her favorite pot product is the pharmacy brand and if you convenient name too cuz I'm spelled FA Yeah, no like literally go to the Sephora website and it's, first of all, it's under clean. So automatically the consumer thinks this product is good for me.

But if you look at the way they advertise, it's so alarming. There's green leaves everywhere, papaya, the name pharmacy. The product's name is, what was it? Like clean green balm, clean green cleansing balm. So there again, they're training your brain that this is a clean green green, natural cleansing balm. Okay, then you go down,

and if you literally go to the Sephora website right now, you'll see it, and it goes 100%. It was like the dumbest fact ever. It was like 100% no pore clog or like something, but that's to trick your brain to thinking it's 100% natural when they flash the 100%. So yeah, I looked at the ingredients. It was like plastic, all this petroleum.

So it's, I mean, I hate to say everything, but it's literally really bad. That's why I created my business just to, people can come and they know that I'm not letting it through the doors. And if I do, I will tell them like, the nail polish I carry, it's not clean, it's cleaner. And I'm very transparent about that. And I think people appreciate that because then you can decide. So you just want to be able to give people

the information so they can make the decision in an informed way. Yes. I think that's like the biggest thing there. You know, I've been outspoken about being excited about Bobby Kennedy coming in, because I think it's one of the first times people are in this country for a long time, are starting to really like country for a long time, are starting to really pay attention to health and ingredients and what we ingest and what's in our food and all sorts of things. We're not going to get on a round the whole. But, you know, I think like the frustration

and even doing this show and talking to people like yourself, when we get a ton of information and even we're still confused all the time. So I imagine if somebody's not informed and they're just walking up and down the stores or they're going on a website, like how are you supposed to know? There is no way. And I feel like I've always thought like, do I make like a little course for how to learn ingredients?

But like, no, no one has time for that. No one wants to do that. No one wants to look up what's demethicone, what is the risk? It's so exhausting. And then you have sites that are trying to do better for you and you still can't trust those either. So like- What about the EW't trust those either. So like about the EWG I was just gonna say the EWG scores last time I checked polyethylene, which is plastic they scored a one. I Don't want plastic in anything. So I don't agree with that score. So the score should be a zero

No, it should be higher. Sorry. They score. I mean not a ten I'd have to like really you know, but you think it So you feel like the score is not as severe as it should be in that case? No. And the problem with those sites is it is a business. And I don't want to like trash the EWG because they're still doing good work, but it is a business. So if you have a brand, you can pay for your brand to be assessed by them. And say you contain titanium dioxide, but another brand hasn't been reviewed, they get a worse score. So you can kind of pay to provide your source.

And so now the customer sees, it's just very confusing. And like, I don't know how anyone has time for that. So I do it for you. What's the truth about perfume and cologne? Let it rip. Well, I mean, you know, I feel like you guys have talked about it a little bit on the show, but it's a hormone disruptor. So

It's also if you want to know the number one most toxic ingredient in your home for your pets It's fragrance and what's bad is our dogs noses are ten thousand to up to a hundred thousand times more sensitive. So Your poor and you have little tiny dogs and you know, they're sniffing These even if you have like a hair gel or something with fragrance or maybe you just took a shower with a body wash that has fragrance. Well, now the room is full of fragrance. So fragrance is probably the worst ingredient, I think,

because it's everywhere. We're just living in a cloud of fragrance. So if people can do one thing, it's just as hard as like every product. I find it insulting when you can smell someone from across the room. It's almost like you're in my space. Do you know what I mean? It feels invasive.

I don't need to smell you from across the room. It's too much. I just got a new shirt the other day and they spray the clothing with perfume too, right? Do you ever buy something and you smell it? And it's just like, it was just from Revolve. It was like a little lacy top. It just reeked like perfume.

And I used to think someone tried it on and returned it. But now what they do is they have to spray the clothing with all these insecticides and herbicides or whatever, all this material to like cover the formaldehyde type of stuff to preserve them when they ship it. So they'll stink. So to cover the stink, they cover type of stuff to preserve them when they ship it. So they'll stink. So to cover the stink, they cover it in perfumes and fragrances.

So what do you do when that happens? You send it back? I went on the chat and I was like, if I wash this and it doesn't come out, can I just return it? And they were like, sure, it didn't come out, but I'm probably too lazy to return it. Is there a perfume or a fragrance that you like

that is approved by Organic Bunny? Yeah, I brought you some samples today. Which is what? There's a couple brands. So in my store, I only allow 100% natural. So there's problems with even clean perfume brands because they still use synthetics, but that doesn't mean even when they say it's a clean synthetic,

that's not always the case. So I only allow 100% natural. So then you know, it's the entire formula is natural. So Hair-Tic is a brand, but their whole line's not natural. So I go through and I pick. Yeah, this is why I like her page. It's like, she's not gonna be like, your brand is great if there's not specific things.

So it's called, the perfume you like is called Hair-Tic. The brand is called Hair-Tic, yes, but only their natural ones. And what does it smell like? I brought you guys some. Okay, and he can wear it too? Yep. Okay, because it's funny when you cut it out,

you're really sensitive. Oh yeah, yeah. And why does that happen? I don't know, I mean, just like you said, you don't have it in your system and then you have it. Even the shirt, I like went to him and I was like, he was like, oh! You're like a bloodhound.

It turns you into like a bloodhound. You're like, I'm like, what's that? What it is is I think like, so we had our friend Shervin who, I don't know if you're familiar with him, but so he runs Symbiotica with his partners. And he said something on the show years ago that just like opened my eyes is like, you know, if your body is giving off a poor scent, it's your body signaling to you that something

is going on that shouldn't be going on in your body. And what we do is we mask those senses, ignore those signals. We do the same thing in the house. And our bodies are really good at getting used to ignoring signals like bad sense. Like if you have bad breath, there's a reason. If you have bad BO, there's a reason. Not to put anybody on the spot,

but I think like if you're living in a clean way and you're eating the right foods and right ingredients, like a lot of that stuff just goes away. Like I haven't worn deodorant in probably 10 years. I feel like one of you said you don't wear deodorant. No, I never, like 10 years ago. Maybe both of us don't wear deodorant. I sometimes like, I like Agent Natura's deodorant sometimes. And listen, if I go crazy and I'm like doing something like I'm sweating a ton or I'm not sure.

No, I don't mind it. I've never minded your spot. But the point is, is like I don't have- I don't care. Because I live in a clean way, like that's not a huge issue for me. And I think like, if you're needing a lot of that all the time, it's like likely because your body's trying to signal like, Hey, maybe you need to make a change. But we do need to have an intervention on him. What is he? I brought him hair, hair, hair paste. Thank you. This guy, the only toxic thing in my house is underneath his cabinet. It is 20 bottles of this hair paste and then he has the worst hairspray ever on the planet

and he sprays it like this, a porcupine in my bathroom. It's going everywhere. I've literally watched people show up with a paint gun that I would use on an automobile to give you a spray tan Okay, I don't want to go outside. I literally have an organic formula. What kind of makeup are you wearing? Yeah? Well the makeup Okay, let's not I'm not saying I'm perfect You right now I have to have a couple What's the hair piece you brought if you got good

It's a main to team, okay? Can you actually, what's the hair paste you brought him? If you got good hair paste, I'll try it. It is, but have you heard of Jack Henry? No. Okay. Is it like a clay kind of thing? Yes. Is it like kind of like a black top with an orange?

No, that's volcano. No. I use a super clean product for our son's hair. But not for yours. Well, mine's a little... I don't know if you like it. He gets in bed, Amanda. Oh, God.

He doesn't take a shower. The other day I go, are you going to take a shower? Do you know what I started doing? In the morning, I wake up, take the pillowcases off and wash them and put them back on. Wow. I've literally seen you lay in our sheets with the spray tan and it looks like somebody sprayed caramel all over the sheets. Don't- I will call you out. We can't all be perfect.

I will call you out. You look like you went through a paint booth in a fucking, you know, in a sedan. I'm just gonna give me a new- Somebody shows up with a giant tent and they're like Yeah, I know I used to work for a spray tan company. So I inhaled all that shit. Oh, it's the clean one I'm like, I don't think that's clean. It smells it's probably not they all lie. So what tell us about the hairpaste Moving on pretty quick now. Oh Well, we can bust it out. I don't know if you're gonna like it. Let's see it. I listen if it's He's been bald for about 10 years now I was gonna say I was gonna ask your husband, but he's so jealous of your hair. Oh my god

Oh, yeah, even he talks about your hair. Yeah, but listen, man. You've got a good bald head Yeah, you do got a good like you can pull it off if I did that. Oh, I would think he was bald I'd be like, I got a small head. I think He has no choice That's just his bald head. No, but you got a good bald head. Some guys can rock it and do well. You don't have to worry about paste though. Nope. You're bad. Nope. Okay, this is the paste. Give it to them. Okay, let me see. Let's see. It's called Jack Henry. Jack Henry. Oh, somebody

mentioned, did maybe Allison mentioned this to me from Branch Basics maybe? Oh, maybe yeah. This is great ingredients. Yes. I mean amazing. Very, very clean. See though, like I need like a, like I'll try this, but I need like a paste, you know, because this is like- It's a paste. This is like a clay. Well, they also make a paste. That one is a heavier one, so I picked that one from my fold.

I think you need to say thank you and switch it up. Thank you very much. I will try this and I'll look into the brand and if you like it. Listen, if it works, I'll make the switch tomorrow. I just haven't found anything that's worked. Try it. I don't know if it will work because I- They pace though, too. Okay. I'm gonna buy the page It's a whole men's line. So I'm in

They have it really cool. I think they have like studios in maybe Orange County. It's really cool It's like a men's hair club so you can go get all the pampering So if you ever in Orange County check it out haircuts and it's non-toxic. Oh, yeah, they're fragrances. They're new ones I don't I don't carry them because those do have safe synthetics So again pick and choose but their line for the most part is clean It went in relation to beauty hair products things that we're using every day Like what has been the number one or two? Ingredients that you found that's common across most of these products that you're like this. These are just terrible

Well, it's definitely the fragrance again I like thought about this because then you guys would ask me this and I was like fragrance is just such a boring answer but it's really just in everything okay every product in your house like I bet I could find you know I'd love to go through your bathroom and see and just and just see what's in there yeah because people the people I mean the amount of lies I have people emailing me some girl was on a cruise. A lot. People, she was on a cruise and she's like,

I'm about to get a facial and they told me, what is it, elements is all organic now. I had to ask you if it, like literally she's on her cruise asking me like we're best friends, which I don't mind. I love that, but it's just funny. Cause people lie. The lady would told them it's all organic. Literally not one organic ingredient in it.

So yeah, I don't know how anyone gets through life knowing what's clean or not, because they're trained with lies, then no one knows what's going on. Here's a question I've always had. If I have a cabinet, like Michael's hair paste cabinet, and it's sitting there. Listen, here's the deal we're gonna make on the show.

You can go through my hair paste, but I'm gonna call you out on your cabinets and in your drawers and all your- That's what that's what I'm gonna go through all the beauty stuff off-gassing Mmm. I don't know. I don't think so cuz it's contained to a bottle. Okay, I always wondered that I'm like it depends if it's like an Open candle then yeah, but if it's contained in a jar, I don't think It will you have a gene could off-gass your sensitive and you open the cabinet though you will be able to detect it Do you know what I mean? Yeah the fragrance

What if you're sensitive and everything is just piled up in your sink like you ladies like to do I like to file things in My sink really sink piler. Yeah, what do you mean? Like I don't want it on my vanity and if I don't have time I throw it in the sink Oh, well, I'll show everyone a picture Everything up and then clean it up. Yeah. I just want a mess. She's just a mess. You could have just a mess. I think you should come over to our bathroom because I feel like I'm getting a lot of shit and I want you to see what's going on over here. I want to really dive in to pet care because I don't think people realize what's happening. My first question is, what shampoo and conditioner do you recommend for the pets? Yes, so I only have one brand

that I've ever posted that I like, and it is by Alevia, so I don't know if you know their body wash. What's cool about their brand is it's all a prebiotic formula, so it's really actually good for their skin, unlike every other shampoo on the market. Burt's Bees, all these other ones, Scouts I think is one I don't know. They pretend

they're clean but it's just a bunch of synthetic chemicals that they mix with fragrance and you're really not doing anything for the dog's actual microbiome. So yeah, Alevia makes one. It's called, I think it's like a prebiotic pet wash. It doesn't say by Alevia. It's in my store. I forget like the, is it just like a prebiotic pet wash? I'm like talking to my husband on it. No, I'm gonna go look at that. I'm gonna go buy that.

There's lavender and unscented. It's the best. So it's not gonna sud, it's not gonna lather. So people don't like that, but you don't need it too. And it's so good for their skin and their coat. Just balances out if there's any rashes or irritations. Really good for their skin, feeds their skin, and it makes their hair so soft,

because it's got coconut oil. And I think it's like seven all organic ingredients, so. I'm buying that. Our dogs sleep with us. And we take them on walks. And I always think like, okay, we're walking over like petroleum and oil, and like you mentioned off air, like the lawn care.

Can you really go off on that and explain how it's getting stuck in their paws and their nails? Well, and it's just, I mean, imagine everything that's on the ground. There's parasites, there's mold, there's bacteria, there's pollen, viruses, again, and then I was telling you, there is now a 70% increased risk

in lymphoma cancer for dogs because of these lawn chemicals. So what's hard about pretty much everything we're talking about today is you can't see it. So it's just not real to people until like something happens. And so I think it's one in two or one in three depends on who you ask, a risk of cancer in our dogs. Dogs are dying of cancer left and right. So we have to start evaluating their environments like we're evaluating our own.

And because we know their sense is so much more sensitive than ours, even more so, like the fragrances, if you love your dog, literally get the Febreze, the plugins out. So anyways, pause. So yeah, you take your dog on a walk, it's walking through your neighbor's lawn. And what if your neighbor is using pesticides?

And you don't know, but here's a tip on how you can look. Do their lawns have weeds? So that's a really easy way. If their lawn is like meticulous, green and manicured with no weeds, that's a high probability that they are spraying pesticides on there. City parks, golf courses, resorts, if you go to a nice resort, that is covered in pesticides. So you're gonna use something like the hypochlorous acid paw cleanser from Organic Money for Pets. And then what's cool about that is it actually breaks down

the pesticides to remove it off. So do you, when I spray it on my dog's paws, which I'm spraying every night before they get into bed, do I wipe it off or do I just leave it? No, so I just spray it on my dog's paws, which I'm spraying every night before they get into bed. Do I wipe it off or do I just leave it? No. So I just spray it on their paws. Yep, I think it says just spray and go. What about their nose?

Can I spray it on their nose? In what way? I don't know, their nose is in the poo, it's smelling the poo, it's smelling the pee, it's up each other's asshole, you know what I mean? It's a lot with the nose. I'd have to ask since the nose is so like porous and I don't know. I mean, it's a paw.

Because I spray the hypochlorous acid in my mouth sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done that. I bet you can. You can. There's different parts per million, per billion and all that stuff. So there are different... Before we go fully down the rabbit hole though, which we can have right now.

I have a hundred rabbit hole questions. Sorry, guys. For somebody who is finally becoming interested in this topic, like for us, it was like a slow, like we got, you know, first was the cleaning supplies and then it was the cooking supply. And now it's like the whole house is clean. But again, it's been years of us going down this thing. No, I still have work to do. And the way I always explain it to people, once you become informed and you realize there's healthier, cleaner alternatives, once you have the information, it's actually an easy decision to make. But for somebody who's just starting to explore this and they're starting to be like, huh, I'm going to look at some labels. What are the big things that are red flags on labels that they should look for? Outside of, you know, we've talked about fragrance.

What else? Well, everyone knows parabens. So brands know we don't like parabens. So now they're moving to phenoxyethanol. So phenoxyethanol is a big one It's not as bad as parabens, but similar type of ingredient and preservative with ring risks It does have some links to cancer because of an ingredient that it's made with it leaves behind traces of carcinogens So definitely parabens phenoxyethanol

So if I were to go to Sephora and I want to tell you guys If you want to pick up a product and you want to just know right away if it's clean or not makeup you can look for synthetic dyes So it's gonna say like red lake 7 or whatever the number I only allow mineral pigments in my store and iron oxide so like actual colors from nature So you can look for synthetic dyes that will say like red in a color, which is pretty much all of Sephora. I need to go through Sephora's whole website and see if there's any that aren't, but even the brands like Ilya, Tarte, they're all using synthetic dyes. Those have links to heavy metals.

They're made from petroleum, black coal tar, just nasty. So I won't use any synthetic dyes. So that's an easy one to look for. The Phenoxyethanol fragrance is a big one. And even though I've talked about it so much, if you pick up a product and you see fragrance and there's no star noting natural, like it should say star 100% natural or from natural sources.

If it just says fragrance or perfume, no. Put it down and just because, you know, what else? So those are the biggest ones. BHT is in Summer Fridays Lip Balm. It's just another not good one. So, yeah, I'd say like... What's BHT? It's just another preservative with links

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Go to h-i-y-a-h-e-a-l-t-h.com slash skinny and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. So you don't like anything if it's not fully natural from- No, I'll use some things that are synthetically. You have to have preservatives. But it just won't get a full clean bill't get like a clean, a full clean, uh, bill of health from you unless it's fully clean. I'm just trying to understand.

I'm not. You mean fully natural? Yeah. No, I use things that are synthetic all the time, but. But what will make it onto your store and say like, what, like, I guess what I'm asking is what are the, like, what are the things that- What's the funnel? Yeah.

What's the funnel where it's like, nope, can't make it. Sorry. Well, yeah. Synthetic fragrance, uh, synthetic dyes, preservative systems that I don't like, harsh preservatives, the phenoxyethanol, parabens, the BHT, polysorbates, PEGs, anything petroleum derived, plastics, polyethylene is a big one to look for too. Like I said, it's in the pharmacy cleansing balm. Like it just doesn't need to have plastic in it.

So do brands reach out to you and I'm just like walking through this with you because we're just meeting and say like, well, we're like 95% and because of that we should be included and, or is it like, do they not even bother at this point? I feel like you're the curator. Yeah. I mean, they try, honestly, like I don't do sponsored posts. I don't really, I barely read my emails. So it's mostly me just like, oh, someone posted that they like this. Is that clean?

Oh, it is clean, so I'll add it. Is it woo in your store? Yeah. Yes, woo's in the store. Woo, the lube made it in your store. Yeah, but there's only four ingredients. Yeah. I've had three babies off that lube.

Yeah. That lube, you can eat it lick it suck it fuck it really yep Okay, so I know I'm just trying to understand the funnel and so when you know when you when you're curating your store Is it just like you know you go through each label and it depends. There's no there's no bias. It's just kind of like that's what's cool It's like she can be a gauge And sometimes I'll make little exceptions. Like, you know, if it's like a glycol, like that's not my favorite ingredient, but if that's the only bad thing in it is better than the alternative. So, you know, I carry cleaner gel polish.

Nothing about that's cleaner, natural. It's just cleaner. I brought you a red. I heard that a lot of gel polish gives you rashes with how mom what's it called? I don't know what that is something with an H. But it sounds like there's some products that require some of these in order to be a product. I'll say like they just wouldn't exist. Exactly. Neopolish is one of them. Dry shampoo is really hard because the aerosols in them are, you know, gas flammable gas that we spray all around us. Anything aerosol.

So your hair, your aerosol hairspray. I haven't found one that's clean. I don't have hairspray right now. Lauren just mixed it up. I once rented a house for a month and I went in the house and I went, Oh yeah. What's that smell? No.

And in every single outlet in the entire house was a Glade plugin. What I, Michael, like, I was like. I had to have a giant trash bag. I was just, and I kept finding more. I would probably leave, honestly. I, yeah. We're stuck. Like air filters. By the way, your air filter was not on in the lobby. Oh, Carson, you're fired. All right. Just the last straw with you, man.

Good tip. Yeah. Tell us about plugins. They're just, I mean, it's just pure fragrance. It's just like the nastiest thing on the earth. It's just so gross. It's the worst thing you can do. Why? People need to know why. Well, it's a hormone disruptor.

You're inhaling the phthalates. So to stick like, you know, that just sticks like even just having that shirt walking down my hallway to the washing machine. Kyle's like, I sniffed your trail because the phthalates in it are just sticking everywhere. And then you inhale those, they go in the body and they're toxic to the body. They disrupt everything. They cause havoc.

They disrupt your hormones. They can cause migraines. It's just a disruptor to the body. So- Do you think that women are not getting pregnant because of these things? Absolutely. Infertility has links to all of these things.

Or I mean, we can get into babies also if you want to, but infertility is absolutely linked to the PFAS. So I'm sure you guys have talked about that. So all these water resistant products, definitely linked to infertility. Anything that's an endocrine disrupting chemical is going to have links to infertility. So that's all of the parabens, the plastics, the...

Candles? Well, the fragrance in the candles. What's interesting, I mean, listen, I was, somebody wrote an article about Lauren and I on this show one time, and like, listen, different things get written all the time, and I typically don't read it, but like, one of the things called it like a woo-woo wellness, and I was like... I'm woo-woo.

And you know what, I was saying, for the longest time in this country, what people have done is they get sick or they have infertility issues or they have hormone issues or they have whatever, whatever issues they're having. And they say, I have this issue. Now I need to correct it by doing all of these other things. A lot of the times not great things, which we don't have to get into, but it's, it's been rare for people to pause and be like,

what am I eating? Why? What are my products? What am I drinking? What am I cleaning with? Like, what am I... And I think what I'm excited about and why I've been vocal is like, finally people are saying like,

oh, wait a minute, actually all of these ingredients and these foods and in some cases, maybe medicines and vaccines should be looked at because it's not normal that we should have all of these conditions in the human experience that aren't natural. Right, like we shouldn't be faced with all of these issues that our ancestors weren't faced with.

And I think finally people are starting to say like, wait, there is a cause and effect. It's not just like effecting that now we're living this way. You know what I mean? I don't think people really believe it until they're affected because it's like, oh, I'm fine. I, you know, people will say all the time, oh, I, you know, I just spray myself down with fragrance

and I had a baby just fine. So it's like, things are fine until they're not fine, you know, eventually something will happen and you're gonna realize like, wow, that could be linked. And that's kind of why I got into this. Like I had a bunch of my own health problems and found out I couldn't have gluten. Then I looked at my products.

I was like, well, can I have gluten in my products? So it took a health scare for me to really assess what's going on. So I do feel like, who do you know that's really even healthy anymore? I feel like everyone has things that they're working through. So I think eventually, well, the older you get,

you're fine until whatever. Yeah, I mean, to your point, the body's very resilient. But you bombard it with enough things and one day you're fine until whatever. Yeah, I mean, like, to your point, the body's very resilient, you know? But you bombard it with enough things, and one day you're sick, and then, you know... I guess, like, the thing that I've realized doing this show for as long as we've done is, like, you can be healthier if you make healthier decisions, and you look at the behaviors and the decisions you're making in your day-to-day life.

How did you figure out that you had limes? When, like, how did that present itself for you? I've just always had health problems. And so I just, I mean, just constant testing. So I just did a tick panel and yeah, I came back positive. I was like, oh, I kind of just block it out. I'm kind of like you or like, okay, I know I have it, but like, I'm not gonna put like a lime warrior in my bio.

I'm not gonna make that my identity because it's just not helpful. So I like to be, I listened to your solo episode a couple of days ago saying, you know, you only want to focus on fertility, but like part of that is removing the things that are causing infertility. So like, I'm like you, I want to know and do better, but like, I'm not going to focus on that. I have Lyme disease and make it my identity. So yeah, I have it. Do you know how you, like, do you know where you were?

No, I do think my mom gave it to me because my sister also has Lyme disease and make it my identity. So yeah, I have it. Do you know how you, like, do you know where you are? No, I do think my mom gave it to me because my sister also has Lyme disease. And they say it's very rare to transfer during pregnancy, but I'm pretty convinced cause my mom also has multiple sclerosis and they do believe that that could be Lyme misdiagnosed, which don't get me started cause she just, no, that's, she's not going to go down that hole. So my theory is that she actually has Lyme disease because my sister also has Lyme disease And so I have Lyme disease Lyme disease so that just makes sense man I never had a tick bite didn't have like the bulls-eye thing so I have no idea

But maybe you did and maybe you did have it and you didn't know when you were little yeah, definitely definitely could happen It's very scary. Yeah, I think what could happen. It's very scary. I think how you're handling it, though, is amazing. I had a friend that had HIV, and he told me, he said, I never made it my identity. And he's had been alive for like 30 years after they told him he was gonna die. And he just never led with it. He told me like two years into our friendship too.

And he said, the problem is, is when you get diagnosed with something and you automatically start identifying it, it comes out through your body. Kyle doesn't even know I have Lyme disease. He like forgets. I'm like, can you not stress me out? I have Lyme disease.

Like I don't need added stress. So like I do so much, you would never even know that I have like, can you not stress me out? I have Lyme disease. Like I don't need added stress. So like I do so much, you would never even know that I have it, which is probably not good because stress is not good for it. But you've channeled it into something though. So positive too. I think that that's important as well.

I would like to discuss babies, formulas, wipes. I got triclosan in my blood from using a huge, huge wipe brand because it's filled with triclosin. Talk to us about all the baby stuff. Wipes, I have not found a single baby wipe. So I don't carry a baby wipe. Everyone that I've talked to, because I don't have kids,

so I don't like go deep into baby stuff, but everyone says the only clean, truly clean option would just be like an organic cloth and literally water So you could probably use the hypoglutinous acid on a lot on a organic like muslin cloth But yeah wipes. I don't have a good one for you. I'm sure there's better I'm sure there's better so I can look into better Formula I mean again I haven't gone down the formula rabbit hole breastfeedfed is obviously the gold standard healthy diet for mom.

What's actually really crazy is all the studies that show the phthalates and the PFAS in newborn babies. EWG did that study on babies. Did you guys see that one? I know what you're talking about. Yeah. They tested like a bunch of babies and 100% of the babies had PFAS in their umbilical cord. Why? But from the cord. But why?

From the mom. But what products are the main ones? A million products. But give us a couple, like give us 10. So PFAS is the cookware, the non-stick cookware, the coffee cups, I've heard you guys talk about the plastic inside the coffee cup to make it not decompose when it meets hot water.

Those are all PFAS, your long wear foundation, your long wear, your waterproof mascara, any water repellent. So if you, I always see on Instagram, and he's like, stain resistant dog beds. No, that's just like PFAS bomb. Children's raincoats repel water, anything that repels water.

And there was a big scandal around, I mean, you heard the scandal around the workout clothing. What was it? Luluululemon leggings. Like it's getting in our vagina? Yeah, because they're covered in PFAS. And PFAS are really scary because, well I don't wanna say scary to scare people, but they're called forever chemicals

because they stain you potentially forever. Versus phthalates, which is from perfumes, you can't excrete those in urine. So like PFAS is a real nasty one. So what leggings do you wear? Because fuck, Lululemon leggings are real good. I know. What do you wear?

Organic brands, Pac makes an organic. I just ordered their underwear. Yeah, oh that's my favorite one. That's approved by you? Yep. Do they hold you in? Because I got a lot to hold in right now. The underwear?

No, the leggings. I'm like, giant foo-pah. Michael hasn't seen underwear on me for 10 years. Yeah, they actually do. I'm not a big underwear wearer. They're really actually, well, depending on which ones you got. Okay, maybe they have maternity.

I'm gonna get those pack leggings because I love Lululemon. Yeah. Align leggings. I like the pack even better. You do? Yeah, because it's just like, I don't know, I feel like Lululemon are so aggressive.

I don't know. Pack is, it's like a softer, but still holds you in. So I don't know. I feel like lululemon are so aggressive. I don't know. Pac is, it's like a softer, but still holds you in. So I don't know, I think you'll like them. Speaking of the vagina, I'm actually releasing this episode in line with something I'm launching for Skinny Confidential and I can't wait to hear your opinion. So we're launching non-toxic toilet paper.

Wow. I'm so passionate about this. I literally wanted to do that, that's crazy. I have like a website. I'm gonna send you as much, you have a lifetime supply. Yeah, that's so exciting. And I'm so excited because people do not understand what's in toilet paper.

We travel with it. You do? Oh yeah. Stop, pull it out, I don't buy it. Yep. Stop. Oh yeah, my whole bag is full of like Mary Poppins organic. You do not travel with.

That's a first. I've never seen someone bring toilet paper to the studio. I like the commitment. I'm into it. It's disgusting once you realize. Oh, my God, you guys are so cool. Yeah. Well, airports, yeah, I mean. Yeah. Oh, I mean, but anything. Tell us about toilet paper, because you're the expert to ask this about. And we are wiping our asshole and our,

you aren't wiping anything with your pees. We're wiping our vaginas with so much toxicity. Yeah, honestly, the toilet paper was like a recent one for me. I didn't even think of it, because we were using just bamboo, like healthier. And then I was white and I was like, how is it white? Oh my God, we've been using bleached toilet paper

this whole freaking time. So yeah, I mean, even stuff like that, I'll just like, it is it white? Oh my God, we've been using bleached toilet paper this whole freaking time. So yeah, I mean, even stuff like that, I'll just like, it just won't even cross your mind because it's just toilet paper. You just think, you just live life, that's toilet paper. But yeah, we got, I think it's plant paper and they test for even heavy metals and all that stuff. So hopefully you guys do that too, that's pretty cool.

I'm gonna send you a bunch of toilet paper and you guys will have toilet paper for life. That's awesome. I'm really excited about it because it's something that like, it's a daily habit that we all do and there are endocrine disruptors in so many of them. And if you think about it,

you're wiping every single day, all day long. It's interesting, like, you know, a few years, I think about myself in this journey and I'm like, in the beginning, you're like, you're resistant. You think about myself in this journey and I'm like, in the beginning, you're like, you're resistant. You think about yourself in this journey. Because I know how a lot of people are to this because I was one of them. You're resistant to this stuff in the beginning because you're like, what's the big deal? I feel fine.

I don't get it. But for me, it's like, okay, if there's a healthier cleaning alternative that does the exact same thing and it serves the same function, if there's a healthier toilet paper, if there's a healthier beauty, if there, listen, if this hair, if this clay or paste works like, yeah, for me it's like, you know, why would you not make that choice? Well, people are going to say price. Okay, fine price, but like you're, you're not going to care about the price if you're laying sick somewhere later.

You know what I mean? Like it like for me or you know Like maybe go and cut out a night out at the bar Which is we don't even have to get into but you could branch basics is just as the same price as Windex Yeah, so this is where I'm like anyways the point is depends on the I'm not gonna try to convince the people that are like I'd rather be sick than like pay a couple like those people are It's interesting you talk about dogs and we know someone that like three of their, maybe five of their dogs have gotten cancer and they use heavy pesticides. A lot of the same people that say, oh, I don't want to spend the money on the cleaning supplier

also like completely fine to go and blow a paycheck and a bar out on a Saturday night. No judgment, but I'm just saying like, if you want to use the argument. Priorities. Yeah, priorities. But the point is, is I, for me and why I get excited about these topics on this show is I was one of those people that was resistant, but now I'm like, okay, logically, if there's just better alternatives that serve the same purpose, why would I not make that switch? Like I'd have to kind of actually be a dumb person to not do that.

I'll tell you why. Are you ready? This is why. I'd have to kind of actually be a dumb person to not do that. Are you ready? This is why. You have nostalgia around the smell of fabulosa and there's this nostalgia. Do you really miss the synthetic index? I was saying, I don't have that nostalgia.

No, people have a connection to these smells because they've been ingrained in us. And people- Well, that's the end of that. There's almost an addiction. What they do to the, they do, they chemically do that. Like they, they do that. there's almost an addiction. They chemically do that, like they do that, that's what they do. Like the synthetics in it connect to your endocrine system and they make, yeah, you're like connected to it.

So yeah, it makes it harder to quit. And that's what they want. Yeah, exactly. Baby products, any specific brands that you're a fan of. Yeah, and I do carry some baby products. So if you do silicone, you're gonna wanna make sure it's like a medical grade silicone. So that's really important because-

Silicone for? It's like a baby toy. Like if they have like rubber toys that they're chewing on, like the little things. No plastic, obviously. That's just loaded with phthalates that they chew on, suck on, rub all over. I think it's really important that moms know

they shouldn't wear perfume even with a baby. I think a lot of women think, oh, you know, I'm done being pregnant, now I can put it all on. But your breastfeeding, your baby's on you, they're maybe on your shoulder, they're inhaling your laundry detergent, they're sucking on your, you know, fragrance-drenched non-organic clothing. So definitely everything should be extra sensitive for babies. So toys, no plastic.

Wood toys without paints and lacquers. We have some natural rubber, like bath toys. So natural materials as much as you can. Organic, we have some really cute little stuffies that are made out of organic material. I love that. I'm gonna go get all that. That's perfect for my nursery.

What are those little things? I'm so like baby illiterate. I'm just like, what are those things they use? The little things they suck on? But again, like I think like, no, it's like a blankie. To like, to like us, like us. It's like a lovey. Yeah, lovey.

I know what you mean. To give a little pushback and to give, I know a lot of the parents are like screaming, like, you know, there's certain toys that can be good, but my whole thing is if you get rid of the big things, if you get rid of the fragrances and the hormone disruptors and the bad cleaning supplies and the foods that we all know with million preserves, we shouldn't be. If you take care of the 90%, then maybe once in a while it's okay for a kid to play with a magnet tile. But the point is if you're doing all the other things all the time and it's like-

It's collective. To your point, you're going to use a certain nail polish. If my kid ends up coloring with a certain thing one time or playing with a magnet, it's like, okay, there's maybe some harmful things in there, but I feel good knowing that the other 90%, the big things are out of the picture. You know what I mean?

The biggest thing is honestly, the mom and even the dad, the choices you guys make while you're trying to conceive and actually pregnant are so important because they're directly impacting how your baby develops. So even something like fragrance that can disrupt your son's hormones, even though he's not even born yet. So it can decrease your son's sperm

before it leaves your body. Like that's insane. It can also contribute to a smaller body part in boys. A smaller penis. Yes, literally. If you use these endocrine disruptors, you are making your baby's penis small. Yep. And you're even affecting the female's egg supply.

So it decreases the quality of eggs. Your mom must have not worn perfume. Nice. So yeah, it's scary. Increased risk of ADHD, you're with risk low birth weight. And I think people think low birth weight, okay, who cares, I just have like a little small cute baby. But no, like that leads to, it's not fully developed when it's born.

And so it does lead to increased risk of ADHD, learning difficulties, just emotional dysregulation. Like it's really, it is a very serious topic and I hope, you know, women that are pregnant or trying to get pregnant do take it more serious. So I'm sure you're no stranger to push back on the internet for people that are listening to this and be like, this is too far too extreme. How do you answer those individuals? I'm sure I'm not the first person.

And don't do it. Like, you know, that's fine. But if they say like, Hey, this, this like how do you prove some of these things? Oh, I mean there's studies on all this so you can just go to the internet and you know Anything I've just shared is a study. I've read so I Can post them I think a lot of people think ignorance is bliss The way I try to live my life is like 80 2020. Listen, I'm not perfect with the makeup. I like a fucking happy meal from McDonald's and a Diet Coke sometimes.

I like a margarita with tequila. Not now. But I mean, I try to live 80-20, but when I am in my 80%, I am in it. And I am committed to it, and I am full on 100% balls to the walls. 80%, I mean, like, I think most people think that they have to be extreme 100%, but like 80% is still way better because what is your life gonna look like

if you weren't doing anything? So any change you can make, I don't care if you're, if you're 100% bad and you go to 90, 10, like who cares, that's still an improvement. The goal is really to reduce the toxic load on your body as best you can. So I don't want anyone to even think they have to get to 80, 20.

You can just get anything out of your house. Just go take your plugins out of your house, open a window. Let's just work at one thing at a time. Let's clean your air out. Let's just get the fragrances out. So, so what I like to do is we have like a free consult feature so they can just come to us if your brain is like, I don't know, that's smart. I have a hundred dollars.

I need new makeup, maybe some found it. We'll tell you, we'll map it all out. That's really cool. To go back to the very beginning of this conversation, like I, again, like 80, 20, 90, 10, 70, whatever, who cares? But the point is, is like, if you're making healthier choices and trying to find better alternatives consistently, when you have something like a mishap, when someone paints a guest bathroom, like when she was freaking out, my response is like, my body is resilient because of the things I do most of the

time. Like it's not my favorite thing that had happened, but I'm not going to- It's like so much more than that though. It's not even just, oh my God, the chemicals. It's like you didn't listen, you didn't follow directions, you don't care. For me, well, we thought again, I listened and I followed directions. But the point is, I think that you can also get to the point where you can spiral yourself and put yourself into this depth- Oh yeah. You have been pretty adaptable though to my changes.

But my point is like when she was going off the deep end yesterday, I was like, listen. You were upset though. I grew up on construction sites. I'll be fine. My body's resilient. I'm gonna just take care. I'll do a detail.

I'll do whatever I gotta do. But like, I'm not gonna sit there and like lose my shit about it all day. I am. Because it is, the fact is it happened. And I'm not burning the house down. Yeah, and it's true because stress is just as bad. You know, stress is a huge toxin.

It can transfer to your baby. So when your cortisol spikes, it's spiked. Boop. Right to the baby. Because you know those people that are living super clean and then like anything happens and they're so stressed. I'm like all of that work you're doing to live that clean. Like you just had one thing that stressed you out.

And like that's way worse for you than just having to have a shot at it. I'm on a chill vibe besides the pain. Let's discuss something that no one wants to touch with the 10-foot pole, vaccines. I'm on a chill vibe besides the paint. Let's discuss something that no one wants to touch with a 10 foot pole, vaccines. Oh, great. Okay. You know what? I get asked about vaccines like I'm Dr. Quinn medicine woman.

Guys, you need to go do your own research on vaccines. I've done my own research privately and I have just decided that I don't need to scream from the rooftops what I'm doing. What are your opinions on it? I haven't gotten a vaccine since I was like I don't know 12. I remember my mom's like you need to go get the HP. I was like no. So I don't even know as a kid. I just I didn't understand why. I'm fine. So I invest in my immune system. I haven't gotten sick in so long. Everyone else around me is sick all the time. And you would think as someone with an immune disease,

I'd be sick all the time. I have really shitty vitamin D too. So I should be sick all the time. For some reason I'm not. So no, I invest into both of us. We invest into our immune system as much as we can. All throughout COVID, we had protocols we were doing, doctors we would connect with.

He got COVID. I didn't, you know, he got COVID. I didn't even get COVID when you got COVID. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't personally have a reason for them. Obviously, some people might, and that's their choice. Dogs, it gets to be a tricky topic. I know there's a lot of people out there that actually believe you can have dogs and never vaccinate them.

We have a dog rescue too, but, you know, legally I can't do that. So I've been kind of forced. So with the dog rescue, we make sure to titer test them. We won't over vaccinate them. Titer test. Talk about the titer test. That's such an important test. Everyone who's listening, listen to this. Yeah. It's really insane. So vet vaccines are just like any other medication. We're being sold vaccines. They tell you come in Annually and your dog needs CDA, you know, just temper every year They'll give you a reminder to your inbox. Come on in. We'd love to see you

No, they just you know, it's a sale to them So you can actually just get a tighter test and so a tighter test will tell you exactly What vaccines your dog does or does not need. So, I mean, our dogs are still protected from puppy shots. So I wouldn't call myself anti-vaccine, but I'm gonna be as, you know, precautious as I can. So yeah, the CDV, if you go to Jean Dodds, she's a vet, she's an expert in like immunization for canines,

and she's brilliant. And so she actually has done studies on how long these vaccines actually last. So CDV, I think it was lasted over seven and a half years to life. One, I don't know if it was one round. I can't quote the amount they had, but it was puppy shots lasted the dog's whole life.

Why don't they have titer's test for people? They do. They do. Yeah, but just no one does them. Huh, that's interesting. If you're not sure if your vet's a good vet, the best way ever is just to say, hey, do you guys do titer tests? And their reaction will tell you everything you need to know.

Yeah, ask your vet that. You know, like, the vaccine conversation was never something that populated on my radar was important to me until, one, we had children. And then two, when everyone went ballistic during COVID and started pushing a vaccine that ended up not being effective and not working and all that bullshit. Okay. I can say it now. I can say that now. Thank God people aren't getting stripped off the internet and airwaves for saying that these days. But anyways, I think a lot of people, especially older generations don't realize what the schedule looks like for vaccines for children because they go, well, I had them when I was a kid and so did I. You had seven and now there's 77.

I was just going through this exercise with my parents and I said, listen, the reason there's some hesitancy from parents these days around this is one, because of some of the efficacy that in my opinion, they could do more research around and publish more studies around and whatever. But two, a lot of our parents think that it's the same schedule that we all went through when we were young kids. It's completely different. There are so many now, I think you should not be part of the conversation if you

don't have children yourself, because you just don't realize what, and until you're a parent and you have to like make that decision for yourself, I think it's, it's something that parents should be able to push back on and ask questions. Cause it's scary. Like why I have empathy though, for this is that everyone just wants to do what's I think it's something that parents should be able to push back on and ask questions because it's scary. Why I have empathy though for this is that everyone just wants to do what's right for their kids. And who's ever giving their kids 77 vaccines, they believe and their intention is that they're

doing right for their kids. People who are giving their kids no vaccines feel like it's right. Anyone that's, yeah, of course, like that's the point is anyone that has kids, you realize the reason you're either doing it or not doing it is because you are trying to make whatever you believe is the best, most loving decision that's going to keep them safe. We all have the same intention. So I have empathy for parents that make any decision. Yeah, it's hard.

But the point is, is like a lot of parents feel like they don't have enough information. So that's where there's hesitancy. Yeah, you can't even get accurate information. You have to go to like secret rabbit hole. And the reason there's even more hesitancy and the reason COVID was so terrible and was managed so poorly is because now clearly there's information about something that was rushed out, that was ineffective, that caused a lot of harm that they are now admitting to, which does not help the case of saying,

well, all of these other ones are fine. Because well, now we see that you did one that wasn't fine and you lied to us about it and you're now gaslighting people to say, well, I have other questions. And I don't think that's an unreasonable stance. And so, you know- My thing is if I'm gonna inject something in my body

or my children's body or my husband's body, I have 600 questions on each one. And if you can't accept that I have 600 questions, that's a you problem. Like I'm going to have questions. Most people are not going to listen. And then that's how you even know right away. But like to me, it's a logical person that says, wait a minute.

We had government agencies and big media outlets in a huge pressure to get something where there was not full information, where there was actual harm, where it did not stop the quote unquote the spread. And you were screaming at us from the rooftops to do this thing. And you were lying to us about the efficiency of it. And now you're saying, but don't question anything else. We can't have it that way. Like you either have to be completely honest and transparent or you're not.

Like there's not like, oh, this one was and this one isn't. It's like, well, now we need all the information and everything, which again is why I'm excited about what's going on with the health in this country now, because people are just saying like, listen, we just to your, like similar to you, we just want the information, just get all, publish it all, hold everybody to the same standard. If there's liability, hold them liable. That's all we want.

Yeah. Like if you show me a study that this vaccine is totally safe, great. Like, thanks for the information. And you know, now I'll consider that. But I don't trust most of the information that's out there. I feel like most of it is, you know, cherry picked and skewed and controlled. And I can't wait to see what RFK digs up. It's going to be crazy.

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I need to ask you about this sauna thing. Oh, gosh, yeah. I saw this on your page. I'm a big sauna girl. Give it to me. I haven't used my sauna since then, honestly, because, well, I'm very sensitive, so with my Lyme, it can actually make some people worse. So if you don't feel good after Asana, you shouldn't do it. So I think a lot of people think,

oh, Asana is good for everyone across the board, but no, it can actually make people more sick. So if your detox pathways aren't open, you're not getting the toxins out, it can just stir everything up and make you worse. So if you don't feel good in As sauna, don't go in a sauna. It's probably your body saying it's not time. But yeah, we have a sauna, a really good one.

Barrel or infrared? It's infrared. I think it's like a sun lighten. I researched that, you know, the best wood, no EMFs, no, you know, all that stuff. But yeah, it tested positive for mold. And you're like, oh, I didn't think about that. So I'm using this to detox from mold. I think a lot of people thought it grew mold

because the advertisers, you know, they can't grow mold, but it didn't grow mold. It just had mold from the house go into the sauna and be trapped in the sauna. So now you're going into this moldy sauna. So it sucks because literally the only way to know is if you test your sauna's air. Why did you decide to test your sauna from home?

We tested the whole house. You can get these bombs, not like, but there's like these mold bombs and... She's got to look into that. That sounds suspicious. And that's how it begins. Well, Ryan from Test My Home gave us... Everyone says Ryan and he's like, okay, it's okay. But he came and he tested because we we have an infrared and a barrel. And obviously that's a concern.

And we tested and there was none. But it's something that people, you have to monitor and you have to pay attention to. Yeah. And then you think about people going to like hot yoga studios, like it's probably terrible. So I mean, I'm sorry to ruin everyone's life with that. But when we get out of ours, you're like air it out. You got to like check for you, especially if you have like liquid, you just have to watch it.

But there are things that you can use that he recommended. I'm sure it's on his, the test my home site, but he kind of like, he came and did that because it was like, it's a concern. Like a spray. It's like the decon 30 or something. It's like a little, no, it's like a little bomb. It's like a little bomb. And I don't know exactly what it is, but I'm assuming it kills the mold.

Yeah. It just makes it so mold can't live there. Fortunately, we didn't have to do it because you got to tell exactly what it is, but I'm assuming it kills the mold. Yeah, it just makes it so mold can't live there Fortunately, we didn't have to do it because you gotta tell us what that is I don't know if it's like a little green and white thing from what I can recall, but that's not enough information We need that you need to go talk to Ryan We should talk about cars cuz yeah Ryan came out and tested my car I have like a Mercedes SUV and it was actually had more EMFs than sitting on a high voltage power line actually had more EMFs than sitting on a high voltage power line.

So what do you do? I wanted to make that into a reel for so long, but like, yeah, that surprise you can have that one. Don't use the seat heater. So the electric seat here. Oh my God. I use that every day. I know. I know.

I literally just shiver. Okay. Brand new car. I'm just like, can't turn it on. Okay. Even the lights, I have like cute pink lights in my car and the flicker is out of control. I'm thinking about flicker and like red lights

and all that stuff. But yeah, even the screen, horrible flicker. And now that Mercedes makes everything digital, it's just like flickering. So yeah. Can you turn the screen off? Probably. I prefer that screen off.

I don't need a screen while I'm driving. I was like emailing Mercedes, like, can you cut the electricity? They were like, go away. Like, no, we can't, lady. They tried to return my car, I did. They were like, no. So what, you just had EMF because of the seat heaters and the light? Well, they measure everything. It's like radio frequency. It's like a couple of three different ones.

You have your little trifold device, he comes out with his little tool and it was just like... Shh! You know what worries me so much? And this is like a random tangent. Teslas. You see these people plugged into the charger, sitting in their car.

I feel, I've seen some. On their phone. Yeah. What is that? That's like, I feel like that's cooking you. Yeah. We definitely want to roll down your your window at least like let some of that out So, you know, just baking and like a fair day cage But again, like some of this can start to become a prison of your own

Look at guys look at the studio My point is is like this can really have a prison of my own mind, let's talk about EMF It's like better call Saul, you know his brother who's in the tin, he's like in the tin blanket all the time. Like we gotta, we gotta be able to live here. I know, I wanna live, but I also wanna know. I still have a car, so it was like, yeah, I can detach from that like paranoia. You just turn the seat here, look that's the easy fix. You know what's terrible for men? Condoms.

Because condoms can be getting all sorts of parabens and things. Well have you seen one? A lot of guys before you told me that. I'll support you that with that. I'll support you with that. I would just say, I would be like, listen, like these things, this is getting in my endocrine disruptors. Well it actually is latex, right? It's not good for you.

Well and the spermicides they use are absolutely disgusting. Yeah. You gotta get woo. Yeah. It's like putting a bag over your head and doing pushups for a long time. It's like, it's not fun. You remember?

It's always been a while. And hence the three kids. I'm a big turn your phone off EMF. Hence the three kids. I'm a big turn your phone off on airplane mode in the other room. What are the little things that you do to protect from EMF? Yeah. So, well, we had Ryan from Test My Home come out. We went through our whole house.

We had some messed up, like even dimmer switches. I'm sure he went through with you guys. You can't do dimmer switches. So we switched those out. We need to switch out all our LED lights. Haven't done that. So there's plenty of things that I know are bad that I just haven't gotten to.

So I'm not like a frantic maniac, even though I want to be. So we need to fix our lights. I think we did a kill switch in the bedroom. So just, that's really nice. You could just, I want all the power off in the bedroom. Yeah. Okay, well you send me the one that you like. It's just like I think you just install it right like you have to have an electrician come out. You do? Yeah they just like cut the power so it's just a

switch like that so when it's ready for bed just and it cuts the whole room. I bet you feel your nervous system relax. It was crazy yeah I would had had really high readings next to my bed there was something with the electricity like people don't think I don't think people realize that your electricity can be wired wrong too and cause frazzled energy. So yeah, we had to fix that. But yeah, phone doesn't go in the room, out of the room.

We do all the things. I think the biggest thing that like we felt with the house that we were super crazy about was the mold. Especially living in Austin. But I think a lot of people don't realize like under the sink and that is, you know, that stuff can be real problematic if you don't catch it. I think people think that they're going to see mold like some fungus. Yeah.

No, you don't see it. We couldn't see a single speck of mold in our house. Our house was brand new built. We had to demo out the laundry room, the butler's pantry, all the sinks were leaking because the guy just played build a house. Do you know Michaela Peterson? Sounds familiar, but no. Anyway, so she has a

Is she like a mold girl or something? No, well, she's not, but she came on the show and she told us this crazy story about how she just grew up in a household with black mold and like caused all of these health issues that she later found out. So she's been vocal about sharing that, but you know, at the time when she was a kid, she was sick all the time, and the parents couldn't figure out why and how, and it was mold.

I know, and it's hard because like, then now what? So you're gonna go test your whole house? Like I think people don't have to, it does hurt everyone, even if you don't have the symptoms, it's not good to have mold in your system. But if you're not feeling like you have fatigue, or you know, I get really bad dark circles under my eyes, hair loss, if you don't have those symptoms,

then you know, maybe you'll get to mold later. So I think mostly just people that might have a sneaking suspicion. There's some cool tests you can do now too, just quickly to see if it's a problem, you know. Test my home is really expensive. So I think it's called ERMI. It's a test you can just buy online and just like a Swiffer wipe.

And you go and you just wipe the dust in the house and you mail it out and they'll tell you a list of the molds. I think it's like a couple hundred dollars. That's a great tip. It's a great tip. Do you use air filters? Oh yeah. What's your favorite?

The Jasper. Okay, us too. Because after Ryan, Ryan's like, this is the best. We, we love Jasper. And what's your vibes on shoes in the house? Oh, I'll go home. You would vomit if you saw our house, like actual vomit, because we have six dogs, so that's 24 filthy paws. We do not wipe their paws every time they come in the house. So our bed is disgusting. I put it on the internet the other day. It's just like dirt, rocks. From dogs. Oh yeah. So you would absolutely house. So our bed is disgusting. I put it on the internet the other day. It's just like dirt, rocks. From dogs.

Oh yeah. So you would absolutely die. So shoes is like the least of our problems. Because she's not in shoes is the least of her problems. But the earth is not gonna, listen, if you're in petroleum and you're in, you know, chemicals on the wall. Well, Michael, our son went to the hospital the other day

because he cut his head open and he had to get stitches. Michael tried to step a toe in my house after you were walking around the hospital. We will take him off in like that situation. But what I'm saying is like if it's just earth outside in your clean living like the dirt is, I mean people live in the dirt all the time. It's not, it's these, it's the chemicals and all the, you know. If someone is new to your website, where would you start? I will just tell everyone, I think everyone who has a pet should go buy your hyper.

Hypoclurus. Acid spray. Hypoclurus acid, yeah. And to put on the paws. And then also I love Agent Natour's toothpaste that you sent me. It's so good. From your website.

You have so many good products. Everyone should go shop What would you tell them to pick up? Uh, I would just book a free console so you can just I mean I have 7,500 products so I don't wow I do have a best sellers. Yeah, I know it's insane So it's not like I could just pick up just go grab this or that so it's a big site So the console would help them like sort of weed through what's important to them. Yep. Yep.

Because I really don't know how you'd begin. I mean- What categories do you think are people- I have a best sellers category. So I have best sellers. So I'd go to best sellers. I think Alevia Body Wash is always a go-to. It's the same company that makes the dog shampoo.

I think I sent you a mini of one of them. And I did bring you one because they made a new men's. It actually smells so good. It smells, I wanna see his reaction. I want him to smell it. Give him their whole little doggy Easter basket. That's so cute, you guys. That's for us?

Oh, that's nice. You guys don't have to do that. Oh, that is so cute. Okay, tell us which each thing is. Chocolate that's tested for heavy metals. Love it. Those are clean Christmas trees. Michael, clean Christmas trees. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, is it the... Ozenated dental care. Okay, so oil pulling. But it's

ozenated. That's for your foot spa. That's your sour candy. You're so sweet and thoughtful. Yeah. What's the thing you want me to smell? The little mini body wash. No, there should be a little. You gave me that too. That's shampoo. Did I already give you shampoo? No, you gave I you gave me that brand something with that brand Yeah, it's Olivia Cute You guys the Coco therapy Oregon Bites. Olivia Woodlands, a You guys the cocoa therapy or you know would live Olivia Coastal woodlands a woodsy masculine scent with organic sea kelp. That's hot. Yeah, non-toxic. That's what I'm really

with it, okay We saw it doesn't smell like a cologne Smells good. Oh, let me see. I'm getting a lot of the sea kelp No, it smells it just smells like a, like an outdoorsy, like- Who cares what you think it's about me? I like it. I feel like it smells like clove. I love it.

Yeah. It smells just like clove. It smells very masculine. Yeah. Yeah. That's a hundred percent natural. No, so it's beautiful. A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. Let's see. If you got a wash down there. Yeah. That one actually lingers surprisingly with no phthalates. I don't know how they do it. What does it mean with prebiotics? Okay, health for the skin. I love it. Yeah, that's good lingers surprisingly with no phthalates. I don't know how they get what does it mean with prebiotics? Okay, health food for the skin. I love it. That's good. 10 out of 10

No, listen, but here's the thing now that I see this like I'll use this He will use it you can actually use this shampoo. He's actually where he's so cute He went on like the EWG to like find out what shampoo and he got this one that was like, yeah Not it was not the vibe. Yeah, but he's been looking for a non-toxic shampoo No, and I'll go you'll like the Jack Henry one because they have a very similar scent and they have a shampoo Yeah, I'll try like and if you said that there's a guy like cuz I actually don't that this stuff the For guys out there like the ones that like some of these like like kind of like what are these called like a clay? That's hard when you have like longer hair. It's better for like shorter

But like for me like I like to put my you know, like a hands-free You also got us oil butter that I'm very excited what I'm so excited about with this is I don't I don't have to worry About any of it or like look it up. It's just good to go. That's the Botox in a bottle So that's like a new cool ingredient Paracress This is amazing you guys. Thank you so much You know what what are these other guests that come on the show been doing whether the you got showing up with a gift bag? Very very bio seaweed gel soak off LED gel polish so you can actually cure that in the Sun

You don't need a lamp love it, which is yeah, I have to wear my driving. I still use nasty shampoo So I sent you my favorite. I I need some cleanup in some areas. I'm not gonna, I don't want to act perfect at all. Blood. It's hard. But blood box. Natural shampoo can be nasty. Those are little mini fragrances. Upside down, upside down.

This is gonna be the expectation now when people show up and be like, where's my bag? Oh, I can't wait. This is so exciting, you guys. So those are like more, Kyle's favorite is the smudge and out of the black box. There's another one Oh look, so his favorite is the smudge mixed with the Dragon's blood and you guys got us lollipops. Oh, this is a fragrance

What's the brand of lollipops? Those are the lovely love it. I'm gonna give my kids. It's very nice You know why I love this too It's like I can like try all this and then I can pick what I love and you can reorder it and you don't have to worry about it. Yep. I will. I'm gonna be on your site. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be on there and looking at all these 7500 products. It makes it nice that he doesn't have he does try he does bless his heart. He does he does try really hard. So if she tells me like this is the thing that we're doing and it serves the purpose and like solves the function that I'm looking for that I don't fight it. Like toothpaste. I got him to switch his toothpaste.

I got him to switch away from the floss that has the plastic in it. PFAS too. Yeah. Luckily I didn't have some nostalgia for Windex or whatever you're talking about. Kyle doesn't have a choice, you're nice. Kyle, I feel like likes it though.

I feel like you're good at it. He's adaptable. He's like, I have no choice. Yeah. I don't have a choice. I listen to everything except the hair really. Yeah. Oh, yeah What do I not listen to you still do the car wash and I I don't car wash you get a full detail Oh, yeah. Well, I like a clean car. Oh like inside too. Yeah, I feel like you need to like start a line

That's like car wash. I know that's I wanted to but then I was like who no one's gonna buy that Everyone with the car will buy it If yours a clean cleaning car supply thing, I would Organic bunny car and the organic bunnies in a car I would love that Yeah, but it's expensive and those weren't we're seeing brands like symbiotic is discontinuing their home line I just don't think it's selling so I think people have to be very mindful of investing into ideas like that because AutoZone is not going to pick up my $30 car wipe.

So as much as I'd love to make it, I don't know if it would last. I think for companies, and listen, I love Symbiotica and I don't know what they're doing over there, but I think people are looking now for companies that make certain things their mission and while Symbiotica's overarching thing is obviously health, I think the reason someone like Branch Basics is having success is like that's their main mission. The story's there, the passion's there. People don't want you to just launch stuff to launch it, but you have such a mission I feel like behind everything you do you could really go into any category.

The fact that there's no non-toxic baby wipes, do you understand how many wipes moms use every day? Like you could make cute pink ones with a bunny on it. I mean I could spiral. I will do, I want to say something. I'm gonna link every single product that you guys got me on my blog so you guys can go to the skinny confidential and shop every single product We'll like explain each one because I know they're gonna want a lot of these products Yes, the organic bunny calm you get 15% off with code skinny. I Definitely recommend for anyone who's interested in non-toxic living in an approachable way Going to follow your instagram. I have been following your instagram. I think I want to say for like 10 years early Thank you guys so much for listening. Where can everyone find your instagram to do a deep dive on you?

It's at organic bunny and its website one more time the organic bunny.com. Thank you for coming on the show Thank you so much