The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Annie Lawless On Wellness Practices, Autoimmune, Diets, Brand Building, & Entrepreneurship On Your Terms

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

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And I was like, why do we have to do all these things that we're supposed to do? Like, I just want to have freedom. If I don't want to do something, I don't want to do all these things that we're supposed to do? I just want to have freedom. If I don't want to do something, I don't want to do it. And it opens up so many doors for creativity for me to just bring down all of the expectations of things I'm supposed to do and spend my time doing what I want to do, what I like to do, even if it's alone, thinking about things, creating things. That's when I'm most creative. Today on the Him and Her Show, we are welcoming Annie Lawless. She is the creator of Lawless Beauty. She also was a co-founder of Suja Juice. This episode is so much fun. It's one of my personal favorites because it goes into

entrepreneurship, how to grow a company, but also like wellness routines and beauty tips. I have known Annie, I feel like for 10 years, and to see what she's built is so incredible. She's truly built two empires. In this episode, you'll learn how Annie got started in the wellness world, all about her first company, Soudra Juice, how her childhood made her resourceful. You'll learn about pivoting a career, how she grew her business, her struggle with autoimmune disease, her advice to business owners, why it's important to expect failures to get success. And then you'll hear about motherhood, beauty, wellness, and skin. On that note, Annie, welcome to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Confidential, him and her.

This is a podcast guest that so many people have asked us to have on for such a long time. It's someone that I've known, I want to say for like 12 years. The first time I met you, I will never forget this, was I got an email from someone at Suja Juice and they told me that they wanted me to come by and try a bunch of different flavors. You guys had not had the company yet. And I go into this small office, and I'm sitting there, and someone had set up all these different little juices in little pill-sized containers. And I'm trying these incredible juices. It's like an orange one and a green one and a pink one. And in walks Annie and she's like strikingly beautiful. She has bright blonde hair, rocking body, great personality. You walk in and I'm like, this is going to work because not only were the

juice amazing, you also were like walking wellness thank you sure enough it did work we'll get into that but i'm so happy to have you on because i am such a fan of what you've built i'm using your lip gloss right now and i just feel like this is going to be a really great interview for anyone who wants to be an entrepreneur but also a mom and a wife because you do it all so well. So first, let's go back before Suja Juice when you're working at the yoga studio. Take us there. So back to when we first met, you were like one of the first people I met in San Diego that I felt like I connected with because we were kind of doing the same thing at that time. But I was working at La Jolla Yoga Center, which is now closed. And I was in law school. I moved to San Diego. I was from Phoenix originally. And then I moved to San Diego because

I went to USD for law school. And I was like, I fucking hate this. There's no way I want to spend my life being an attorney. I'm going to spend the first 10 years being someone's research bitch and then not get to pick any cases I'm working on. And it's going to be like, just not what I had envisioned as like a hopeful college student studying philosophy. I was like, this is totally different. So I started teaching yoga to meet people outside of law school. And also my background, like I had been doing yoga since I was 16 because when I was younger, I had horrible eczema, like all over my body, my face. And I was on steroid creams for years. And then finally, I did autoimmune testing because eczema is autoimmune. And a pediatrician suggested that I get tested because she was like, you know, a lot of kids

have eczema, but it's really bizarre that you're this old and still have this terrible of eczema. And sure enough, I had celiac disease. And now we all know what that is. Gluten-free is a thing. But back then, I mean, I'm 35 now. And I found out when I was 12. So this was over 20 years ago, which is horrible to say. That makes me feel so old. We do a lot of dating ourselves on the show this time. Damn. But yeah, I mean, this was before there was whole foods, gluten-free products. It wasn't like you could go buy gluten-free bread, gluten-free pasta. Like it wasn't a thing. And I

was a normal kid. Like I was eating Pop-Tarts, you know, pizza, candy at school, like all the things. And so when I cut gluten out of my diet, my eczema completely went away. So I kind of always had this underlying obsession with health and wellness because from a young age, I read every book on nutrition when I went through this. I got obsessed with juicing because I was reading about how it can really get nutrients to people. Hold on, hold on. And I've always wondered this. How are you reading about juicing at 12 years old? That's really profound to be reading about that at 12 years old. How did you even know to do that? I think because I just felt different and there wasn't anyone else to talk to. This wasn't something my friends in grade school were learning about. And the books I read,

I mean, this is why I got into a specific type of juicing, which was cold pressing. There's a guy, Dr. Norman Walker, who created these books. Bought all the books because of you. I remember you telling me this. Yeah. They're vintage. Vintage. Yeah. So this was like old school material. This wasn't like I was looking it up on the internet. This was like old school books. And he created the first cold press. And so that was like the juicer that I bought, the Norwalk by Norman Walker. And it was like this idea. He was the first person that really pioneered this idea that you could be juicing to help absorb nutrients from food if you had any type of, you know, gut injury, whether it's celiac, whether it's chemo or anyone going through something where

you're not adequately able to absorb nutrients. This was a way if you drank juice from really organic, like nutrient-dense foods. You could absorb those nutrients easily because there was no digestive labor. There's no fiber. It would immediately get absorbed into the bloodstream. And I was like, oh my God, this is so fascinating. And he talked about curing all sorts of things and reversing things. And so for me as a young person, I was like hopeful. I was like, oh my gosh, you know, if I just found out I have this thing I've never heard of, I can like offset a lot of the symptoms I've been experienced by juicing and really flooding my body with nutrients. So I got obsessed. I was super into juicing. And then when

I was about 16, I got really into yoga and there was a studio that I actually was going to work at. I was looking for a job because when I turned 16, I had to buy my gas. My parents gave me a car, but they were like, you have to buy gas. And when I went in to look for applications, I just got obsessed with the idea of taking classes there. And I saw all the people that were going in and out and they just looked so fit. And I was like, I'd never done yoga. And I was so curious. And so I started taking yoga. And I mean, I still do yoga to this day, like every single day. So yoga has been a huge part of my life since then. But that was really like the beginning of my journey in health and wellness was just from

my own personal need to kind of like manage my own health from a holistic perspective. Did your parents, and I don't know if you've talked to them, talked to your mom, looking back, think that you were like a prodigy? No. They didn't think that this is very rare that a 12-year-old is reading all these books and you're juicing and you're asking for a juicer. They didn't think that that was crazy. I mean, my mom was definitely very supportive. I was a little bit of an obsessive kid. I would say I had a little OCD. Like if it wasn't that before that, it was like Beanie Babies or like I would go to Beanie Baby conventions.

I didn't do anything small. Beanie Baby conventions? Wow. That is deep. I did the whole thing. Collector. Oh, she just sent me like the bins that I collected when I was younger for my daughter that all have like tag protectors, like cases. Like I was deep in it.

Did you have those big plastic ones oh yeah display the display oh yeah the display cases you and michael sound very are you a beady baby guy some of those probably have appreciated pretty nicely maybe or did they or so your parents just thought this is another one of annie's things like my things yeah like i didn't do anything a little bit like when when I did gymnastics, I was like following, I think it was the Magnificent Seven. It was like Dominique Mochianu, Shannon. I know what you're talking about. But I like was obsessive.

I got the mat that was branded for the Olympics. Like I was that kid that wasn't like a little passionate. And you were in Arizona at this point when you were a little kid. I was in Phoenix. And my parents had a really terrible divorce when I was, it kind of started. I mean, they separated and then I like the divorce really happened around the time of like I was 11 to 14. And I think it was a tough age, but it also like just made me really independent. My mom went back to work full time after being a stay at home mom for many years. And I was kind of on my own in a

lot of ways. But that was sort of when I grew up. Like I got really confident and independent and just figured out like, okay, I've got to like manage myself and like take my own path. Like no one's coming. My dad was gone. My mom was like working around the clock just to like pay the bills. So it was like a bad and good time in the sense that looking back as an adult, I would be such a different person if I didn't have to grow up quickly and just kind of like, you know, put my big girl pants on and figure out like life. And I think that was when I got, I got really obsessed with this idea of like taking things into my own hands. It's funny because today, the theme of the podcast,

the last two that we did and this one, it's being resourceful. Yeah. And figuring something out when other people would sort of just not figure it out. And it sounds like that's when you got your grit. And that's when you started to really be resourceful and take it in your own hands. No, we were talking even off air. And it's again, part of the theme is like hard things happen to people in life

and that's either going to propel you or really just kind of derail you, right? And it's like you, I know people feel sometimes harshly about this, but it really is a choice in a way which direction you decide to go, right? Yeah, and it's not easy. Like it's work.

I think people look at people like us that seem like we have made it or have like built our businesses and think there's like some privilege to it or the fact that we may be in a better position now but nothing comes easy like we all have a past we all came from something that we had to work through. And I think that's what the missing pieces, you know, it's not easy. It does take a lot of work. And for me, bad things happening to me were actually a huge motivator because it was like, I need to get the fuck out of this.

Like, I have to, like, I have to figure this out. And I love my mom and she did the best that she could. But like seeing her after being a stay-at-home mom for 13 years, have to go back to work full-time, like literally from dropping us off every day, picking us up every day, being PTO mom, doing the auction, all those things, and then having to like have a nanny like pick us up every day, make dinner. We barely saw her because she was leaving for work at eight, I was like, I never want to be in that position. Like she had the rug pulled out from under her and she had to like do stuff she didn't want to do. Like she had to go back to, she had an MBA thankfully, but she had to go back to like an accounting job. And I was thinking, you know, that's what happens when you're dependent on

someone in life and like you, you bet on them and they screw you over or like they, you know, like my dad screwed my mom over after 13 years all of a sudden. And I was just like, I need to make my own life. There's just no way I ever want to be in that position. And I think that that is a really good lesson to learn at a young age because especially now, I think things do look with a lot of like the celebrity culture and social media culture like they come easy it's not easy it's really not easy but when you get to the other side you realize it's fun like putting the work in and like having a fire under ass to like build something is really fucking fun yeah I was just talking to a woman that's close to me,

but I don't want to go too much into detail, but I was basically talking to her and I was like, listen, like many, many men and women, they choose the path where like, maybe they're not the main breadwinner in the house and they go, you know, they're reliant on whoever that person is, man or woman. And what I asked the person, I was like, do you really want to put all of your eggs in that basket and not hedge it in any way and have your own thing? And again, I'm not passing judgment, but to your point, I think it's so important to have your own independence, right?

Lauren and I together, we're an entity, but we also have things separately and we work on separate things. And I think it's important for both of our independence, but not just that. I never want my wife to feel like her stability in life is based on my success or vice versa. And so like I asked, you know, this woman, like, do you really want to do that? Because to your point, if you get the rug pulled out from under you and you don't have that support system anymore and you don't have your own thing, it's very scary.

Yeah. And it's always harder to go back. I watched a very similar story with my mom. When you see your mom struggle and not have her own independence, it really lights a fire under your ass to go make your own, not only money, to have your own leverage, to have your own power. Yeah. And for me, it's not always even been about the money. It's about having my own life where there's the opportunity. At least about having my own life where like there's the opportunity. Like at least I have my own skills, my own passions, my own world that if I had to, I could go pursue that. And I like being a mom now that we're both moms, which I can't believe, but like it is the hardest job in the world. And like every stay at home mom out there where your husband works, I mean,

I commend that because that is so hard. To me, that's way harder than going to a job every day, like being home with the kids. It's a huge undertaking. But also, for me personally, seeing it from my mom's perspective, she put everything into that. And it's scary when you realize there was no world outside of that. And then all of a sudden, oh, shit. Like, what do you do? And so I think that there's also like a way to still like kind of be yourself, but also give everything to your family. Because like for me right now, my daughter is still my number one priority. But I wouldn't be as good of a mom if I weren't still pursuing my passions and my dreams and the stuff that I love to do. I wouldn't be able to function.

Also, I think you're setting an example for her too by focusing on what you're building. That's the most fun part. It's a total new motivator is how can I show her, like how can I be the best example that I would want for her? And it's like making me be better in every way that I can because I'm excited to give her the best possible like foundation. You know, on the reverse side of that though, on the male side, I had a mother who worked all the time when I was little. I remember she would come home sometimes really late at night. I remember being a kid watching that. It's hard. They do it hard. But what I'm saying is like, from an example standpoint, I in my life have been attracted because of that to very strong independent women, right? Where like women that

have things that they're doing their own thing. And a lot of men, sometimes they get threatened if maybe there's a woman that's bringing in part of the income or half the income or is the breadwinner in the family. And I think for me, what is done on the reverse from an example standpoint is I've actually been more attracted to those kinds of women that have their own thing, that are strong, that are independent. Where many, like, you know, I've had friends that are sometimes intimidated by that. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. Because my mother was that example to me. I'm sure Annie's been some of them.

Jeff and I talk a lot about this and he's like, we wouldn't have our relationship if we weren't both doing our stuff like he wouldn't he doesn't want someone to just be like home doing nothing waiting around for him like that would just not be that's just so not our vibe like i don't even know what we would talk about and there's something really nice about the fact that like we have two different worlds and then when we come together like it feels like our really yeah and it's it's just like I respect and admire him and he respects and admires me but like I don't even know what I would relate to him like if he's off doing all of his like stuff with his development projects in the hotel and his sports teams like and then I was like well yeah I think I think you're married to someone who's incredibly multifaceted that I do want to get into too but you're you also are so multifaceted

and when it comes together it's just like a really strong foundation for both of you yeah and we're similar because from the time that we met you, you were with Michael when I met you. So you guys have been together like forever, but we're with guys that are really supportive. And I think as strong of women as we are, and I never want to give credit to a guy for, you know, like, oh, they helped me. But I do think having Jeff be so supportive versus being in an unhealthy relationship from the time i mean i met him when i was 24 as a secure confident guy that like he was always pushing me like you can do that this is what i'm saying though is there certain

like some men would look at a woman like you and they would they get intimidated by it's like oh i don't want to hold you down a little bit so like jeff is jeff's obviously not that high job but i think that's what i'm saying is like there it's because it's it's like, oh, I don't know. I want to hold you down a little bit. Yeah. And so like Jeff is, Jeff's obviously not that high, Jeff. But I think that's what I'm saying is like there, it's because it's, it's a dynamic that's different, right? It's, it's not, it's, it's not something that many people grew up with. Like, you know, most people grew up, I mean, I'm going years back, whereas like the man was a breadwinner and the woman was at home. And now you're seeing a lot of women enter the workforce and, and do phenomenal things. Not just that sometimes become the main breadwinner. And a lot of men are like, what's this dynamic?

They don't have the confidence to deal with it. Yeah. And I think that's definitely more of like the norm. What you hear in relationships is like that traditional, the guy is the dominant one in the relationship, the breadwinner and the woman is more of like the passive, you know, stay at home. And I think that that's,

there's such a need for like a really loving present mother at home and so like there's nothing wrong with that but I just think for me like having somebody at a young age especially when I was getting into my business ventures and like starting my life and creating things I really cared about, having a really supportive partner that was like not in any way wanting to get in the way of that. And if anything, like telling me, you can do this. You can totally do this more.

Keep going. Like pushing me versus telling me to like slow down or that it was like, you know, getting in the way of our relationship or interfering. I mean, there was the time in our relationship, even after we were married, I had a place up here. And we live in San Diego because I was so tired

of driving back and forth to beauty events. And he was like, you should. If you want to start a beauty brand, you need to go to these events so you can meet people and figure out this industry. Like, there was never like a, why would you want to get a place outside of being home and like leave?

It was never anything like that. And he's always been like that. But I do think that that's the value. I mean, you guys know my husband's 22 years older than me. And when I first met him, you know, there's obviously so much judgment and even my friends didn't understand. But like looking back, it takes a mature guy to be like, I want you to fly. I want you to live your best life and pursue everything and maximize your potential and live your life to the fullest because I see what you're capable of. Anyone that shits on age difference, Michael's parents are 21. 18.

18 years old. And they have been married longer than anyone I know. So the age difference thing, I feel like people need to not give that energy. That's like, people need to get busy. And honestly, the most important thing is what you said it's it's a man that doesn't want to put you back in the jack-in-the-box they let you explode and it's like I'm seeing so many divorces right now from my from not good friends but from friends because the man is constantly insecure because the woman wants to soar. And it's insecurity. And Jeff always finds it additive to our relationship because it's sort of like with

friends. The more interesting my friends are, the better that reflects on me because I'm hanging out with more interesting people. I want them to achieve. I want them to flourish. That's amazing because then I'm in better company. Good for them. flourish. Like that's amazing because then I'm in better company, like good for them. And I think that's how he feels is like our relationship is only better when I'm doing what I need to do to be happy, which is like pursuing my dreams and my goals and like keep going. Because when you see a runway and you know what you're capable of and you stunt yourself, it's like this really painful tension between like who you are versus who you want to be. And life is so short. Like we literally have this one life. There's no do-overs. And I think we're wired to always think later, next time, maybe in the future. There is no future. Like it's now. There is now. Like the future is not is no future. It's now. There is now. The future is not that far off. We might be dead in like 60 years. So do it now. You've always been wise like this. And what you did with Suja was huge, especially at such a young age. Did you know even when you said when you

were 12, did you know that you were going to be entrepreneurial? Did you know at the yoga studio that you had these aspirations? No, no. I think with Suja, it was really, you know, I was miserable in law school. And I realized I'm still at the age where I can pivot. Like, I'm not locked into this attorney job where I'm at a firm and my family's dependent on me. And it's not like I've been doing this for years. I can still, like, change my course. I'm at a firm and my family's dependent on me. And it's not like I've been doing this for years. I can still like change my course. I'm still in school. And then when I started Suja,

it was Eric. Do you remember Eric? He was my boyfriend at the time, but he was a ex raw organic chef at a restaurant. And he had the same type of juicer that I met, which was how we related and even started dating. He had- It's a wild way to meet. Hey, we got the same juicer. Let's get in a big relationship and start a company together. The yoga studio had a glass door and he skated up on a longboard and had a juice in his hand in a glass bottle. And I'm sitting at the front drinking juice from a glass bottle. And he's like, where did you get that? And I was like, oh, I make it. I have a Norwalk press. And he's like, oh, I have a Norwalk Press. And that was literally like the love connection. The 25 men that listen to the show are buying skateboards and juices and start skating by every yoga studio they can find. It works. I'm telling you, it works.

So when you meet him and you guys start doing this, talk to us about the evolution of that, because it's super interesting how you guys started a business together. The business was organic literally and figuratively because it was completely unplanned and organic growth. We met and we started juicing out of my apartment and his house that he was renting in Windensee. And everyone at the studio would just text us on Sunday night their order. We would write like what produce was available. We would buy it off the shelves at Whole Foods. Like we didn't even have a retail account at this point. And so we would just go buy the produce, let them know what was available, and they would let us know what they wanted. And so we would juice it. We would buy

these coconut water bottles, strip the labels, steam them to sterilize them, and deliver juice. And so that was how it all started. It was just like strictly local home delivery for the first like year. And then a couple of guys approached us who had tried the juice. Their wives had kind of like brought them into it. And they were like, this could really be something more. You guys should like think about taking investment and build this. We would love to, we would love to do that with you. And Eric and I were kind of like, oh, you know, we don't know if we really want to do that. We love the home delivery service. It's cold press, so we can't really refrigerate it that long. It kind of needs to be instant delivery. And so we met with them and they invested. We were juicing out of the, do you remember Stingery? Yeah, of course.

Yeah. No, I think that's kind of when I met you. Yeah, right around that time. We were juicing out of the do you remember stingery yeah yeah no i think that's kind of when i met you yeah right around that time we were juicing out of the pastry kitchen there that was like not being used it was like a closet we got a commercial cold press we started ramping up and we were doing more like we had a site at this point so we were doing more like all like socal not just like our little yoga network like raging nightclub at night and then like healthy juice in the morning. 100%. It was so funny. I would like pull up like with all my produce and like the bouncers would like let us in. It was like a full thing. After that, Whole Foods, I'm sure you guys have seen this at Whole Foods where they have like a sign that says local and then the like miles away it

was made and pictures of the people. They were just starting that. So they were looking for like these little local niche brands that were doing like quirky products that just weren't mainstream. And so they approached us and they were like, we would be super interested in like talking to you guys. We're like, oh, we only have a three-day shelf life. We cold press. And the same way like retailers like Whole Foods and Big Grocery

doesn't sell unpasteurized milk, for example.cery doesn't sell unpasteurized milk, for example. They just wouldn't sell unpasteurized juice unless it came from their juice bar juiced on site and like immediate consumption. So that was when we figured out, okay, we have to find a way to preserve the juice while keeping it raw. And then we were researching different food preservation methods. And there was one called HPP, which is now wide leaves, but it's high pressure processing. And they use pressure instead of heat to pasteurize the product. So this is like a really dumbed down way of explaining it. But imagine like pathogens swimming around. So the juice would go in an ice chamber and then the ice chamber would get pressurized. So imagine like crushing the pathogens, like the pressure essentially like

would kill the bacteria by like pressurizing it so much that nothing could live. And so, but it was all done under 40 degrees. So it stayed raw. And in a lot of ways, it was better than freshly pressed juice because imagine you're juicing and you're like, oh, I just did a big batch. I'll put it in my fridge and then drink it tomorrow. That 24 hours with the oxidation, the light, all of those like nutrients start to degrade. With HPP, it actually preserves all the nutrients because it essentially like kills anything

that could like kill off the nutrients and like degrade them. It takes out all of the extra air, all of the extra pathogens. And it just makes it so much more i think at like 21 days the nutrients that were from like first press to 21 days was like an insane amount i don't even remember this many years later but like an insane amount like almost 90 percent like intact versus like if you pressed it yourself and put it in your own fridge and like you said this is before anyone else was doing this so this is really how long can it stay like that then i think it was 32 days 30 we had a 32 day shelf life i'm pretty sure and this is this is when just to give context to to the audience

this is when cleansing was the hottest the hot thing like you guys came out at the perfect time it could not have been hotter did suja kick off the cleanses or was it thing. Like you guys came out at the perfect time. It could not have been hotter. Did Suja kick off the cleanses or was it happening and then you guys happened to be there or was it like tandem? So there was one brand doing it kind of at the same time and that was Blueprint. If you remember, Blueprint was kind of like the pioneer of that. And I think that they were the first brand that figured out HPP. And we didn't know it at the time because Whole Foods hadn't launched them yet, but they were going to, which is one reason they were talking to us. They were kind of figuring out what brands. And so we were just kind of lucky, I guess, to also figure out HPP

and figure out the shelf life question and the way to scale up and get in Whole Foods. And so they first launched us in the Southern Pacific region with Blueprint. So we were the only two cold press brands doing what we were doing. And Blueprint had already scaled like more of a national model of the home delivery service with boxes. They had like the ice packs in them and the whole like cleanse system. And so we were also doing that when we launched Whole Foods. And then we launched right around like, I think it was 2012. I remember we didn't have a seal on our labels and it went in the HPP machine with the ice bath and the ice like froze the ink and then all came off so I go for the first time like check out my juice at Whole Foods and the it's all like messed up oh my god this is a nightmare and it was like

the first it was like the first few stores then we figured it out quickly and fixed it but yeah yeah, we had like a really small start. It was like, I think 15 doors in the Southern Pacific region. And then it went really well. And within six months they plussed us out nationally, which is not usual. So usually in Whole Foods, each store like has their own buyers that kind of like mandate what they're going to bring in. And I mean, I know you're in Austin now, that's where we would go all the time to meet with like the head people there but that was when they plussed us out which is when corporate mandates like this product's going in all doors and so that happened pretty quickly and then later Costco and Target and it just kind of exploded. Is that weird being so young and so inexperienced in business at the time and like you have these investors like it's there's at the time like it's

not like you could have called me or any of your friends who are our age we didn't we didn't have any advice like how did you even contextualize everything that was happening because you guys blew up it was quick it was quick quick right i mean i hate to say that because i know there was tons of hard work but no it was, but people got the product in their hands. From the size it got to, it was quick for any business. By the way, tons of work before that and to get there. But people, when they got their hands on it, they were like, get me more, get me more, get me more. In the scheme of a business and the growth trajectory, it was fast. A lot of businesses, it takes years to get to the point where you explode. And I think it was the right place, the right time.

I mean, look at what happened with food in general, not just beverage, but like the organic food movement, like all of the brands that you see now. I mean, that was like a moment in time when all of this was just like really taking off and it was all so nascent and it was exciting. And I think at this time, I didn't really have like a ton of people to turn to, but I was so in it. And the group of people, like my ex-boyfriend at the time, but I mean, we decided we were going to remain, we're still friends.

I mean, we decided we would remain friends to get through this and like we were going to be friendly and we wanted to see this through. And we created it together and it was like kind of this thing no one else could understand. And that was like why we always had this common bond. And I think I was sort of just in this point where I didn't really need to have a lot of friends at this time or a lot of people to turn to because it was happening so quickly and we were so in it that like all of my energy and attention was I was like down, like in the excitement of it. That makes sense.

And also don't discredit the fact that you are walking advertisement for the brand. I mean, you just said it. You guys' faces were, I remember going into Whole Foods and seeing you guys' face in front of the soot juice. So not only did they have all the things, like they had the timing and the cleanse and it was a great product, et cetera, et cetera. They also had you as walking advertisement and you doing media. Yeah. And I think the key to that is the authenticity, which is like what makes any brand so much more special. Because for me, I truly do have autoimmune issues. I mean,

like two years ago, I was diagnosed with Crohn's. Like this is truly do have autoimmune issues. I mean, like two years ago, I was diagnosed with Crohn's. Like this is an ongoing thing in my life. I have some genetic predisposition to autoimmune issues. Have you ever figured out what that is or it's just a genetic thing? No. I mean, when I was younger, I had a ton of ear infections and my grandfather was a pediatric surgeon. And kind of at this point, the easy fix was antibiotics. And I just remember being on antibiotics like consistently as a kid. I think so. That's like my GI doctor now, my gastroenterologist, she believes that because I was on antibiotics for such a long period of years, I mean, this was like back to back to back to back, like amoxicillin after

round after round after round. It was like a normal part of my life. I think that messes up your body's ability to create its own antibodies. And so your body attacks when you have no antibodies to things. So when you get foreign invaders, your body just attacks because it doesn't know what those are. It hasn't been exposed. And so a lot of overuse of antibiotics can really lead to your body just attacks because it doesn't know what those are. It hasn't been exposed. And so a lot of overuse of antibiotics can really lead to your body attacking itself because all of your antibodies have been underdeveloped and you just don't know how to deal with normal cell mutation and things that are in your own body. Your body doesn't recognize that as its own. And so I think for me, you will never know. Like I'll never know the real cause

of it. But even as an adult, you know, I've had new things crop up. So it's not like I just decided juicing's cool and this is like a trend and this is an opportunity. Like for me, it was never even about juice cleansing. Like I don't even believe in juice cleanses. I think that they're really bad for women, especially hormone health. Like I don't think that's even something that people should want to do. For me, it was more of a way to quickly get nutrients into my body in a way that I could absorb them after having like so much malabsorption from undiagnosed celiac for many years. And then just having all of these like symptoms of things and deficiencies and not really understanding why and then figuring out, oh, I'm not absorbing food. Like I'm not actually able to like get nutrition because I can't break food down the way that other people can.

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I was like, I just bought banana powder. No one can get it. Banana powder was this under eye yeah the situation and i was so i thought you were gonna be like where'd you get it i thought everyone's gonna think i was so cool and you're like ew that has parabens in it now this was this was so long before anyone knew anything about clean makeup like this said this so long ago. And I was like, oh, and I never used it again after you said that. I didn't even know really what parabens were. I just knew that you knew what you're talking about. So I just didn't use it. But cut to 10 years later,

12 years later, whatever, and you launching a clean makeup line, you had the same vibe and thoughts about makeup way back then so that makes total sense what you're saying and you really do live by that yeah ingredients like i i'm and i'm not a psychopath like i like to enjoy my life i'm not like living in the woods drinking only filtered mountain water and like you know only every like i'm not that person some of the former guests feel attacked right now they we have a lot of those people. I mean, if you can do that, more power to you. I'm just kidding. That's not who I, that's not who I am as a person. Like I like to enjoy my life. I want to be, I want to live in a way that's sustainable for me. And that is like,

I mean, you know, my husband's in the restaurant hotel industry. Like, I want to be able to go out and eat food at a restaurant. I want to be able to- If you can't have a margarita. If I can't have a margarita, what am I doing? I almost brought you one. I texted Jeff because he was working out this morning. And I was like, if you're coming from the hotel, will you get a bottled Lawless for Lauren? He's like, no, he was swimming.

He's trading for an Ironman. My favorite, though, is it used to be a Lawless margarita, but now it's changed to a ranch water because you've evolved it. And it's so funny. I went there. We bought a place in Cabo and everywhere I went when I would order a tequila soda, they were like, oh, a ranch water. And I was like, yeah, okay, we'll just make a rancho water. It's so good. The crushed ice. It's so good. Go to Rancho Valencia if you're in San Diego and order a lawless ranch water, you guys. So I have a question that I've never actually been able to ask you. When you decided or did you decide that you wanted to sell Suja, was there people that approached you or did you guys go out and approach the buyers?

So we hit a point in sales where it was like pretty obvious to all of us. We hit the point where we were like, we're ready. This is all of our end goal. How many years just for context? So we started the brand in, well, Eric and I kind of loosely started it in 2012. And then we really like officialized it, got investment and everything in about 2013. And then we sold half the business in 2015. Quick. Quick. I also think though, like right now with Lawless, it's just me, which I love because I don't really have anybody else's motivations intentions dollar goals so I can sell whenever I want I can build the business however I want I cannot sell if I want I can maintain full control of the products we're putting out like

there's total pros and cons I was gonna I was gonna ask you without obviously you know throwing shade at anybody like looking back on that experience and obviously you've done it different with this one for people that are thinking of starting their own business, capital partners, are there things that you would tell them to maybe watch for or do different than maybe you did? 100%. I mean, I wouldn't say do anything different than me because that would be remiss to say that I didn't have an incredible experience. I was trying to pose the question away again to not throw shade, but I guess what I'm asking is things that if you were going to, in hindsight, do differently.

You can get money from a lot of places. Let's put it that way. Investors can come from many different perspectives. You can find all sorts of different firms, whether it's a VC, a private equity, angel investors. There's so many places you can get money. So if somebody wants to invest, you have to think of it like a marriage. You need to interview them. You need to date them. You need to make sure your goals are aligned. What does the exit look like? Are we all going to want this? What do we see the brand being in five years? And I think that I was so young and I wasn't even thinking of building a business. So when that opportunity came, I jumped. We were excited.

We didn't even think we should shop this around. And so when you get to that point then where you have- Shop the terms or whatever? Yeah. Shop the terms. None of that. We were like, looks good. That's what you do when you're

young and inexperienced. And I think a lot of people get sucked into that because they get excited and wooed by the dollar signs, but you can get a check from anywhere. There's so many different avenues to go. I mean, not anywhere. Raising capital is difficult, but it's also not, the first offer is not always the best offer. Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. If there's people that are excited about your idea and there's one person that's super excited, there's likely to be other people that do the same thing. That means you've got a concept that is proven to be attractive for reasons that it's either filling a white space. Your brand is obviously, whether it's the aesthetic, the vibe, the products, something's working. And so that means you can attract more people. And I think in my scenario, I mean, I ended up leaving the

brand after we sold half because we got to the point where we were getting so commercial that we were selling products that I wouldn't even drink. They had so much sugar. And I still love the brand, but it just got to that point where if I had maintained control, I would have never put this shit out. This just isn't what- So what exactly happened? You guys sold half, you exited. Yeah. But even before we sold half, I was ready to kind of move on just because I think the goal became about scaling the brand into airports and even target and all these places that were amazing and they launched our core line all of these like it kind of became like odd wallet and naked knockoffs and i was like i just would never drink this stuff and it's to me i saw the brand

evolving into a place that like wasn't what i initially what we created so talk to me about when you leave when you leave what what do you again it's like who do you even talk to I mean I guess you talk to your husband yeah he's very very good with business but when you decide to leave and you do you have the idea for lawless are you like depressed like what I took a year between no I wasn't depressed at all. I think we got to the point where we obviously went through the deal. And I saw that through. I mean, I wasn't going to leave before we did a deal. But I kind of just had already known this is going in a direction where this brand is scaling to a place.

Even the marketing materials, everything just started to shift. And for me, it was this really special thing. And then it just kind of became this really like commercial mainstream. And I was like, you know, I think I've done what I'm going to do here. Like, I still love the brand. I still buy it. I still have amazing feelings towards it. But it was just like, I can't really bring my passion to this anymore because it's not what it was. And I had been talking to my husband about it a lot. And I was leaving for a trip to Bali. We were going to Bali. And I'm on my way to the airport. And I got into an argument on the way to the airport with one of my partners

about, I don't even remember at this point, something so stupid. And I remember he was screaming at me. And I was on speaker. And that was when my husband was like, why are you doing this? And I was like, I don't know. And so I literally, that moment in the car, we hang up the phone, I write an email and I just was like, I'm out. It's been amazing. Love you guys, but I can't do this anymore. I have other things I want to pursue in life. I'm done. And then we went through a lot of talking back and forth about staying on and blah, blah. And I just realized like there was no offer at that point. And that's when you kind of know there was no offer or like situation or relationship that we could figure out that I

even, it couldn't have gotten good enough for me to want to stay. And that was when I realized it's not really about anything, but just I'm done. I just want to move on and do something I'm passionate about again. I want that feeling like I had in the beginning where we were building something so special to me and I was excited every day. And I just didn't have that anymore. And it sounds like it's, I mean, now you're already a confident person before Suja and now after Suja, you're even more confident that you can build it, which you have. But it's almost like, for lack of a better words, you don't really need partners and investors, kind of.

I think when I was young, I did. I did. Like, it was like a, it was a whole education on how to build a business the right and wrong things to do the the things I would have done differently I learned which was a really great thing to do at a young age when you know the stakes are low I didn't have anyone depending on me I could have made every mistake in the world not when it really mattered and I think that also like you know I respect how hard it is to build a business so going into a business like I said earlier I think that also like, you know, I respect how hard it is to build a business. So going into a business, like I said earlier, I think a lot of people from the outside think

it's easy. And so knowing I wanted to start a second one, I was like, all right, like step up. It's time. Like this is going to be a rough couple next years, like getting this off the ground. Like it's game's over. It's time to. And I think that was a really, I wouldn't have known what goes into that if I hadn't been through it once

before. So I think it was a really, it was a really great thing. And I appreciate that I had partners. I appreciate them. I respect them. I don't necessarily agree with them. Some of them I would never care to talk to again, but I also am so grateful for the whole experience and I think that's like the beauty of growing up and learning and going through something like that I mean go ahead no no I was gonna say you know that one obviously really worked out but what we just did this episode on like five things we wish we knew earlier in our career when we were younger before kids before marriage before like you know we had to worry about other people than ourselves right because it gets crazier as you know and gets busier and you have less time in a way.

Even if you went through that whole experience and there was nothing to show, but just the experience alone. Like I was telling people like you could go from 20 to 30 and just completely crash and burn. And that's fine. You'd still reinvent yourself at 30, like nothing happened. And I think a lot of young people put so much pressure on themselves. They got to figure it out right in that window of time. But like, honestly, you could just like fuck off for 10 years trying to figure stuff out and still be fine. You can like start over at 50, you know, it's never too late. I think also like expect to fail, like don't think that everything's just going to be a straight shot to success. People are

so uncomfortable failing. And it's's like that's one thing I really connected with you when we first met and became friends is you were like blogging putting yourself out there and you didn't give a shit like you did not care what people thought of you no but you like really you would you would post like any about any topics you wanted but I really admired that because it's not that easy to do and when when you do it, you realize how powerful it is to just like put yourself out there because things happen. That's the biggest thing is getting over the hurdle of like being vulnerable, putting yourself out there, trying.

Like it doesn't matter if you fail, you can start over. You can get back on the horse. Like you can reinvent yourself. It's not over just because you mess up one time. Like things happen. Businesses blow up all the time. More businesses fail than make it by tenfold. And I think the biggest thing is stepping up and doing it. Do something. Get out there. If you have an idea, if you have a passion, if you have a vision for something, you're never going to get there if you don't

just start. And you might fall on your ass, but you also might not. And you'll never know if you don't do it. Yeah. The execution element is the most important element. Is that what you've seen as being a founder? I mean, that seems like that's really the secret sauce is execution. Yeah. And I think building a really good team, that's been one of the biggest things with this next second business is figuring out, we've kept a really lean team. Even now, we're almost six years in in October. We're in Sephora.

I sell on QVC. We are still under 20 people. And I think every hire has been so thoughtful. The first two years, I had zero employees. I launched Sephora with no employees. And then my brother, who was an investment banker, came on to help me as like interim CFO to just like help me with the back end of all the finance piece because then we were getting retail accounts and figuring out like inventory management. And now he's back in investment banking. But he was with me for like two years just helping. And then it wasn't until

like the third year, midway through, so like three and a half years, that I hired a president. And I started, which a lot of businesses I think do like junior hires. And then I had started from like the top person. Like, okay, if I'm the CEO, then I need a president. And then the president can help build the team under her. So then it was our CMO, our CFO. And so like we are such a lean team. And I think that's part of like the beauty of execution with Lawless is there's not too many

cooks in the kitchen. And we really are like a strategic, a strategic little entity where everybody there has like a big role. They do probably more than their job. They do several jobs, but we're all so interconnected that there's not so much overhead. There's not too many voices. There's not too many people to manage. And I've even, we've talked a lot with like some of our more like higher level executive hires, like CMO, CFO. They don't even want big teams because they, like that would annoy them at this point because we're so integrated into like all of the day-to-day things that we're managing and doing that it feels so efficient that having so many people feels like it will mess up the efficacy of the whole ecosystem that we've kind of achieved.

I totally agree with you about a lean team. I think that people wear how many people they employ is almost like a badge sometimes. Totally. And it's like actually a sign of like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. So you're just bringing more and more people like, let's just like, she can do this and then, okay, we'll fix that. Like more bodies. And a lot of them are, what's that thing that you said the other day? What's the quit thing? What's it called? The quit. They quit while they're working.

You just told me this the other day. I don't know if I used that word. Yes, it's they're working, but they're quitting. What are you talking about? You told me that there is this thing. No, we were talking about quiet quitting. That's a whole different concept. No, it's not though, because a lot of people, if you have a huge team, it's easier to quiet quit because it's easier whole different concept. No, it's not though because a lot of people if you have a huge team it's easier to quiet quit because it's easier to blend in.

No, but that was a different concept. But quiet quitting means you literally just quit and you don't show up ever again because you don't tell anybody. You just literally ghost people. I was talking about the quitting that you quit while you're working.

It would be quiet quitting would be like if Taylor just left right now but didn't tell us and he was just gone. You never see her again. But with a big team you do have to be careful because you're right when everyone's so invested that's the thing when you when you build the team and

you get all these junior people in these big teams they're so much less invested the dangerous thing in my experience and i maybe you've experienced this as well is when the team gets in the habit of when there's a problem the first answer is oh just hire yeah that's a problem right it's like well like are we doing this the right way do we need to question this is like if the first answer is, oh, just hire. That's a problem. It's like, well, are we doing this the right way? Do we need to question this? If the first answer is we just need to hire more. We talk about this all the time. Yeah. That is, in my experience, that's some shaky ground because that can't be the only solution. It's not sustainable.

That should be the last thing. Absolutely. And it's also just more money, more money, more money, more bodies, more people. It's like, that's not a way to build a sustainable, healthy business. Like something's broken that you need to bring more and more people in to fix the problems that keep somehow cropping up. And like, even when we have our board meetings and like we bring up the org charts of like where we need to be in the next year and then there's like more headcount, I can already see everyone on the team like kind of like getting uncomfortable, which makes me feel good because it's like we're a family we really are so integrated that like it's not like no new people but we're kind of like no new people because it's working so well and i think as we scale we'll have to figure that out

because we are going to need more people like that's just the nature of growing like we can't do everything with under 20 people like let's say you know we want to get to 100 million dollar brand at some point you can't do that under 20 people or maybe you can we want to get to $100 million brand at some point. You can't do that under 20 people. Or maybe you can. We'll see. If you can, then we got to invest. I'll be back to tell you my secrets. I have a question for you that's kind of like maybe a personal question that I would ask you off air, but I might as well ask you now. When you build your team strategically, where do you look? Do you guys go to Instagram? Do you go to LinkedIn? Is there a recruiter that you get? What's the way that you find this incredible team everywhere but but our

most of our key hires have been network so like my president comes from the beauty industry she was at a couple of different beauty brands bobby brown so is it like a poach kind of kind of a poach kind of but but to be honest it's a little bit of a one was a Kind of a poach. Kind of a poach. But to be honest, it was a little bit of a poach. One was a bit of a poach. And they came in a pair and they're like the dream team. So that was amazing. I love a good poach. But they're looking.

They're looking. It's not like we, you know, it was. The energy's out there. Yeah. And then even just from going to things, like if I've spoken on a panel or something, like people reach out on LinkedIn, like, oh, I'd love to work for a brand someday. And I always file those. Like that's one tip is don't ever, there are a lot of like spams, but'd love to work for a brand someday. And I always file those. That's one tip is don't

ever, there are a lot of spams, but don't negate all those people that are interested in working for you because there's some gems in there. And I've sifted through for every hundred where you look at their profile and like, oh, you've never even done this. Why are you telling me you want to do this job? You have no experience. There's like some really great people. That's a good tip. And so like you don't count them out. I mean, read those messages occasionally, you know, set a once a month, go through them because there are some gems in there. And that's how I found some really great people is like through reaching out organically. But then I look into them and I'm like, oh shit, like they, they're perfect for this. They are working at a major brand right now. They're doing this exact job. I can see all the success that has occurred from their time there.

100% we should talk. So that's another way. And I also think like a recruiter, I hate paying recruiter fees. But sometimes if it's an important enough role, it's worth it. Okay. So it's a little sprinkle of everything. We've seen here in this, in Dear Media, some of the most success from some people that may not have the strongest resumes, but they are the most passionate about coming in hungry.

And they just want to learn and prove their value. Where on the flip side, sometimes we've taken someone that's very qualified, but does not care about the business at all and is not passionate about it. And like their skillset is there, but we just crash and burn with them because they don't like or care about the business. And they expect a lot. They come in with all this experience. They may come from a bigger entity and they're, they, and it's like, oh no, like I still consider us a startup. So it's like, we're living like a startup. Like if you're coming in from Estee Lauder, you don't have your little like desk with a view and your expense account. And like, it's not like that here. And I think that's the balance is like you want a certain level of talent,

but you want a certain level of hunger. And I do love the idea of like kind of under hiring in a way, like people that may not seem on paper, like they're like the guy for the job. But those are the people like all of us, someone had to like bet on us. We kind of bet on ourselves, but I mean, someone had to like believe and let open the door for us and like believe in our idea or, you know, give us, give us an ear. And I think that's like where we are now is those are the people that we need to like see ourselves in that are hungry and ready and can make those leaps and kind of step up to that role. I also think it's a little bit of a healthy balance between recognizing there's a ton of great legacy businesses or established businesses that have operated a certain way for a certain

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You know I'm obsessed with routines. Like, what does a normal day look like for you? Yeah. So when I had Daisy Daisy I think the first like two weeks I was in a hormonal fog of like I'm done I don't want to work anymore I just want to be home with her and then I like snapped out of it and I was like okay I need to figure out I really do need to get out of the house I want to like go back to being me and the last couple years has been a bit of like a juggle because I do work from home.

I'm the only one in San Diego. The whole team's in LA. They meet weekly. They're all together. And I'm not. And I think for me, it's really about like segmenting out the day. So our nanny comes at nine and from like seven to nine, I'm like, mom, like I'm with Daisy. I barely even check my email. I like wake up at six, shower, get myself ready like, mom, I'm with Daisy. I barely even check my email. I wake up at six, shower, get myself ready for the day, do breakfast with her, hang out. And then at nine, when the nanny comes, I'm off to the races. I don't see her till lunchtime. I'm completely in my mode. I plan most of my Zooms for the afternoon, but sometimes in the morning. But it's mostly email, admin. Are you working at home? Yeah. How do you do this? You got to give us some tips because I

try to work from home and Zaz is hanging from the the chandelier yeah i like have a lock on my door and i'd like my room is completely off my office is like completely off downstairs like she doesn't see you she doesn't see me okay that's the key if she sees me it's over like i'll even say like if i need to get something to her i'll like tell jeff or something like i can't see her because she'll just go crazy that's where i go wrong yeah i i can't see her it's even like she has swim every day she does like irs if there's a day i can't go i even if i'm home i can't say bye to her because if she sees that i'm home and i'm not going she'll have a complete meltdown and i just have to like i'm dead to her like mommy's not here that's a good tip yeah

because when they see you. No, both of us don't do that. We need to do that. We're renting this house. And by the way, I'm never renting a house anymore. I'm staying at Rancho Valencia. Yeah. It's just.

You know, we have the houses at Rancho Valencia. We just stayed there for two weeks. Okay. I just didn't have a meltdown. Don't tell them that. Don't tell them that right now. We'll take great care of you, Michael. Well, I'm there pretty much every day.

I didn't know you had houses. By the way, Saturday. God damn it, Michael. I said we should see. No, we have like five bedroom houses. Okay, well. Yeah, Jeff bought a- No, he's sweating.

He's so mad he didn't know that. Hey, you know, maybe the Rancho Valencia marketing team could let us know that a little more. I'm just kidding. We were probably in the house when you were there. Probably. Because we saw you guys. Saturday prime rib. Anyways, but so I'm in this office right now and I'm working this house

that we're in and it's got this huge glass window and she sees it and she's throwing a huge hand and you feel bad because- You do feel bad. Like,

we're wired. Woman against the car that's like- Fucking face. That's a perfect analogy. She thinks- If you guys don't know that, go watch that scene.

That is Zaza screaming. It's such a drama well it's devastating like you're where they're most important people in their lives yeah and i don't want her to think the work is more important but i'm like on a zoom talking to people okay so you're hidden in the house i'm hidden and then at lunch with her every single day that's so i eat three meals a day with her i i can count on one hand in the last, I want to say two years, the last two years she's been alive that I have not eaten three meals a day with her. That's like a huge goal for me.

I haven't traveled that much. The beauty of COVID and having a kid during 2020 is like, she was born in 2020. That will change. But for the last two years, I've been super lucky that life has been mostly at home. But then around 1130, she eats. I make her lunch every day. I sit and eat with her. Then she goes down for a nap. I give her a big nap hug, put her in her crib, stay the night. And then from basically 1245 to three, I'm completely working. I can do all my Zooms, all my meetings, everything. And you're still hiding if she wakes up just in case if she wakes up you're hiding. I am hiding. Okay. And I'm

downstairs and her room's upstairs which is amazing because if she wakes up then you know play with her. Like she doesn't I'm not like up there. So a lot of Zooms. A ton of Zooms. A lot of Zooms. Mostly all Zooms right now. And then at three are you done working? No. Three is her snack time. Got it. So she comes down has a snack. I say hi, we play for a little bit. And then my actual favorite time, like I try to plan most of my meetings between like four and six. I don't know why.

She's so organized. This is why I asked her that. I just really like that four and six period because I feel like I've got most of the shit done for the day. I know other people are ready to get done. So meetings won't drag on. Like I feel like COVID really messed up the world of calls. Now everyone wants to Zoom.

And it's not necessary. But now, because we all started Zooming, like i feel like covid really messed up the world of calls now everyone wants to zoom and you know it's not necessary oh but now don't even get me started because we all started zooming let's just zoom like i feel like i'm at the point where i'm gonna call like take out and then you really can you zoom it in like everyone wants to zoom and i'm like i don't get on camera let me tell you so prolonged all day more awkward sometimes to get off than calls because you're sitting there i'm actually more late to zoom than i am to in-person meetings. My friend puts his Zoom camera right to his face like this when he Zooms

and it's hysterical because then no one wants to Zoom with him. Everyone's like, I'm done. The camera is up to here. It's giving them anxiety so they just want to be done.

Okay, so at six you're usually done working. At six I'm done. Six is dinner. I'm done. Done. Done. Fully done.

And then is there, like I'm sure you have specific things you do to wind down. Okay. So right. Jeff and I have a, we always have a show. That's like a really important part for us. So we play with Daisy.

We either take her to get ice cream. We get in the pool. Or we, right now she's in this thing, throw toys. Where she likes to take all her toys out and throw them all around the house. And we like, ha ha ha. And put music on it. It's like. It's like a little dance.

But it's like, it's a real thing. So that's like, we do like those types of activities. We put her down at 7.30. We try to do 7.30 sharp. By 8, Jeff and I, he always makes a decaf coffee for both of us. We get in bed and we watch a show. Right now we're in Ted Lasso.

We're like late to the game, but we're mid season two. We're obsessed. A decaf coffee. Yeah, we do a decaf coffee every night. Why? Because you just like coffee? I don't know. It's like at night now,

we don't really drink at home on weekdays. We drink when we go out, but we don't really drink at home. So it's kind of like our version of a nightcap, I guess. It's a treat. It's iced, just unsweetened almond milk, decaf coffee. We get in bed. We watch our show, whatever it is at the time. And we do that for like, we watch like two to three episodes of what we're. And that's kind of it. Like that winds me down. I don't like getting on my screen. I barely answer emails like a phone. That's not my thing at night. And what about washing your face and your skincare? Oh, that's like a whole hour. It's an hour. Not an hour. I would say like 30 minutes. So what's, what are some products? Sometimes I even shower before bed. You always have such good product recommendations because there's not a lot of chemicals in them, right? 100%. I'm so OCD about what I put on my face.

So what? Okay, right now I'm in a biologique recherche moment only because not every product that they have is clean, but most of them are. If you look at the ingredients, it's all the skincare stuff. It's like clinical grade skincare. If you look at a serum, let's say it's a, I'm just making this up, a hyaluronic acid serum or the collagen serum. I use their collagen serum, my love. Like those are the ingredients. It's not like all this filler crap. It's like the skincare is the ingredients. And then some of their creams do have fragrance, which I don't love, but it's cleaner. Like it's one of the most clean. But what I love about that brand, I only got exposed to it really because Rancho Valencia

like switched. They were using, I think, Natura Bisset. I remember that. And then they started using Biologique Recherche. And I had heard so much about that P50 toner. Yeah. And I was like, I want to try this. And I was like, holy shit, this works.

My face was tingling and burning a little bit. And I was like, oh, I like that. Like I like when I feel like something's working. I'm like, if it hurts, I like it. And then I got like just upset. I've never even had a facial because I'm OCD about people touching my face. Yeah. Never had a facial. But I have one once a week. You do? I have a girl that you should go to if you want to go to a girl in San Diego. I'm so weird about it. Like even when I first met Jeff, like even if you get close to my face, like I'm just weird about it. What if the person touching your face is literally like the

best? I mean, I might try it. I'm just going to give you her info. I've never done it. I'm scared. This is who you do it with if you're going to do it. I just feel like it's a control thing. Like laying down, having somebody touch my face. I so intimate it's fucking amazing I can't believe you've never had a facial no I'm gonna text you not even at Rancho Valencia like Jeff gets facials and I don't facial at Rancho Valencia is great too well I had them make me a card I was like I went through it with the girl like of what my skincare concerns were and she was like why why can't I just like show you and I was like I really don't want to get a facial so she wrote it all down for me, show you? And I was like, I really don't want to get a facial. So she wrote it all down for me.

And I bought everything. And I was like, this brand is, like, the only skincare I've used where I actually see something. Okay, I'm going to look at this brand. You know, I feel like a lot of skincare, like, it's fine. It works. But, like, when I was using this toner, the first thing I noticed was, like, I have these little, like, texture bumpies. Not acne, but, like, sometimes I'll get, like, like, I don't know if it's clogged pores or what. My texture went away.

Just little things like that that I was like, oh, this doesn't happen with my other toner. And then I started buying more and more. And now I'm fully. What are other wellness-y things that you're doing? OK, so my other thing that I think really makes a difference for my face is spirulina in smoothies. And I don't love doing super sweet, crazy, in smoothies. And I don't love doing like super sweet, like crazy, like massive smoothies.

But in the morning, I always make one for Daisy that we split. What's the smoothie? We got to know this. It's kale, spinach. I do frozen blueberries, frozen cherries for her. That's her thing. Spirulina, collagen powder.

And then I do vitamin D drops. What's the collagen powder? I think it's called like Great Lakes. It's in a, it's hydrolyzed collagen. It's in a green thing. I know what you're talking about. You can't really go wrong. Like you just get collagen powder. I know. I just like to know the brands. Yeah. I'll send you it. It's like a green thing. It's like an organic collagen powder. It's like a beef collagen. But I really think the spirulina, because I noticed there's something about, I think I absorb like hydration better when I'm having spirulina.

I don't know what it is. And are you, I think when I first met you, you were pescatarian, I want to say. I was pescatarian. And now are you eating meat? Yeah, now I eat like everything. You eat everything. I don't eat gluten, obviously. And I don't eat dairy.

And do you feel better from going from pescatarian to eating meat? You know, I don't really notice a huge difference, but I've been like all over the place. I kind of just go with what I feel like. When I was pregnant with Daisy, I was completely vegan. I did not eat a single, I didn't eat fish. I was so sick and disgusted by all meat. And I remember even being worried, like, is she going to be okay? I just like could not. I was like 100% carbs be okay I just like could not I was like 100 carbs I was eating like rice pasta bread like it was just what my body wanted and I feel like that's why like maybe I don't notice a huge shift is like I don't really follow a diet I kind of just go with what at that

time is like feeling good to me and there's been times where fish like appeals to me but meat doesn't then when I was pregnant with her, like I couldn't eat chicken, even eggs. Like if eggs were even being cooked around me, the smell was disgusting. That's so weird because I feel like you love eggs. I do. I got recipes off blonde a million years ago on eggs. Yeah, I loved eggs. I still, I eat eggs all the time now, but when I was pregnant with her, like that whole period. And then after having her, like I kind of went back to really craving meat. So I started eating meat again. So I kind of just like.

It's intuitive. It's intuitive. Leave us with a hack. And then maybe we can do a lawless giveaway too. Leave us with a hack that has changed your life. It could be work, beauty, wellness, anything. Oh my God. Probably like the biggest

hack is just if it's not hell yes, it's hell no. Like I feel like I have a huge level of boundaries now that I didn't have like even five years ago. And that has changed my life in so many ways because I'm not a pleaser anymore. I don't feel pressured to say yes to anything. I don't really care about not going to stuff, showing up for stuff, doing stuff. How do you say no? Just tell us really quick. So say a friend texts you and wants you to go to her cousin's niece's son's birthday. Sorry, I can't make it.

I hope it's amazing. Have a great time. Wow. That's the way you do it. Don't you see people, they get in trouble with excuses or reasons and i do think like there's something not to be sexist but i do think especially women were hardwired to be pleasers and like i used to once you have kids business husband family like i was right i was dragging myself like i was just I was it was too much and I

finally realized I'm I'm only happy when I'm doing what I want to do and I read when I was in grade school I was home I wasn't ditching I was truly homesick this day but I watched Ferris Bueller's day off when he does ditch and I think that's like one of the most pivotal like pieces of content I've ever consumed because it's such a dumb movie, but it really was the first time I saw this idea of doing something other than what you're supposed to do in life. And it was like he ditched school this day. He laid by the pool, stole his dad's car, did all these things, saw a movie. And I was like, why do we have to do all these things that we're supposed to do? I just want to have freedom. If I don't want to do something, I don't want to do all these things that we're supposed to do? I just want to have freedom.

If I don't want to do something, I don't want to do it. And it opens up so many doors for creativity for me to just bring down all of the expectations of things I'm supposed to do and spend my time doing what I want to do, what I like to do, even if it's alone, thinking about things, creating things. That's when I'm most creative. That is a great way to end the podcast. That is a great tip. Freedom and doing what you want to do. Lawless. I am personally obsessed. If you guys are going to start with a product, I'm sure you've already tried her line. It's everywhere. But if you haven't, I love the Forget the Filler Overnight Limp Plumping Mask, but I don't just use it overnight. I'm sure you've heard this before. I like all the flavors.

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