The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Breaking Beauty, The Insider Secrets To Everything Beauty, Hair, Skin, Facial Inflammation, Makeup Tips, & Beauty Trends

Episode Date: July 15, 2021

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her. I love this idea of sunscreen layering and like different types and different modes.

I think it's great because not everyone wants to cover up at the beach, right? And also using a beauty blender to reapply your sunscreen when you're at the beach. So you don't get your sandy hands all over your sunscreen. Just like have a beauty blender and then like be able to touch up. It's absolutely genius. You can be more direct with your placement when it's like the wind's going and sand's going. Hello. You have a semi-solo episode today. I am the host. I kicked Michael Bostic off this podcast because I wanted to get all the girly beauty details with the two women behind the Breaking Beauty podcast. If you have not listened to their podcast and

you're a beauty guru, you got to give it a try. They have so many amazing guests on like Glossier, Emily Weiss. They have on Kim Kardashian's makeup artist, Makeup by Mario. I'm actually on their podcast. They have the skincare guru, Dr. Pimple Popper, Jen Adkin. I'm telling you, there's so many good beauty episodes, and they really dive beneath the surface. I have so much respect for the host, Carlene Higgins and Jill Dunn. They're a part of the Dear Media Network, so definitely check them out. This podcast is going to be all the beauty goodness. So if you're a skincare whore or a makeup whore, this one's for you. On a side note,

I wanted to give a beauty tip before I got into this episode. I am currently setting up my cold plunge, okay? It is the most amazing situation, you guys. First of all, you should just know that cold plunge, the benefits are insane. So it's known to increase your happiness. It boosts your immune system. It helps with inflammation. I am so big on anything anti-inflammatory, as we know. It boosts your metabolism.

And it also is known to help with weight loss, improve your circulation. There's benefits for lymphatic drainage, all the things. And it sounds crazy, but I am just like so excited to bring you along this whole journey. You know, I do Wim Hof breath work, and normally I take a freezing cold shower. So to now have this plunge, I'm just so excited. I reached out to the company because the cold plunge that I got is aesthetically pleasing. I've seen a lot of ugly cold plunges. I know this sounds random. And so to have one that sort of looks like a white chic matte bathtub was something that was very

important to me at our new house in Austin. I wanted to create this sanctuary and I wanted the cold plunge to really evoke a zen vibe. And so I did my research and I found, in my opinion, the best company for cold plunges It's been recommended by everyone from aubrey marcus to joe rogan and the whole delivery process is super seamless Anyway, I reached out to them for a code for you guys because I felt like I was going to share this beauty tip But I felt like I wanted to give you A code in case you guys wanted to get one for your house, too And just before I give you the code I want to tell you what we're doing

is we're removing a bathtub, which is not as hard as you think. And we're just putting the cold plunge in its place. So you got to get on the cold plunge bandwagon. If you can't get on the cold plunge situation, then I would highly recommend implementing freezing cold showers into your routine. I honestly have

to say it's one of the tools in my toolbox that helped me get over postpartum depression and anxiety. I do it for three minutes, freezing cold. But if you want the real deal cold plunge, you got to go check out at the period cold plunge on Instagram. I stalked them on Instagram. I voice noted them. I became obsessed. If you want to go even deeper, you can go to thecoldplunge.com. Okay. It's going to be life changing. I've heard so many people rave about this. And like I said, they gave you guys a code. It's skinnyplunge for $150 off. I honestly think cold is the best beauty tip on the planet. You know, it helped me so much after my surgery. The benefits are endless. I can't stop raving about the cold. So you can catch me soon on

Instagram story in my cold plunge. I think I can only do two minutes with my ice roller. Anyway, that's my beauty tip. I couldn't not share this. I harassed the company. They probably think I'm crazy for a code for you guys. So use Skinny Plunge for $150 off. Anyway, on that note, I would love to introduce you to the women behind the Breaking Beauty podcast. It's a podcast all about the breakthrough products, people, and moments in the beauty industry. And it's co-hosted, like I said, by Jill Dunn and Carleen Higgins. They are major. With that, let's welcome both of the women to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.

So excited. I have the Breaking Beauty bosses in studio today. I was just on their podcast, which is unbelievable. We went very, very deep and specific about all the tools. So you have to listen to their podcast with me on it after this. But first, I know Jill has been on the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast before, but Carlene hasn't. So I would love to get some context and background about how you guys started Breaking Beauty and how it even came about. I'm sure there's a story there. Yeah. So I'm Carlene. I'm the other half. I'm Jill's work wife. And yeah, I didn't get to do the show first time around. We were in LA, but I had to come home to

my kids. So I didn't get to meet you, but I'm so happy that we did that first pod swap because of course it led to all of this and us being on the Dear Media Network. And now we're like sister pods and I love every minute of it. So yeah, I'm Carlene and Jill and I both have a magazine background. So we are beauty editors. We were beauty editors originally and we worked in the same building, two magazines on the same floor. And so we would always go to the same events, like the beauty events where they would like give us champagne and talk to us about the latest skincare. And Jill and I just got on. And honestly, I think it was the press trips where they would send us, you know, around the world, like Paris or New York or wherever. And we always say we would end up shutting down the lobby bar.

And those are the best moments and conversations. And that's how we got to be friends. And then the way we started the podcast was I basically got laid off from the magazine after working there for 13 years. I really had the golden handcuffs, I guess. I was so addicted to that job and the paycheck, the fancy trips and all the products and all that stuff. And Jill had gone freelance years before. And she's like, girl, what are you doing? You're giving them all of your good ideas. And you have to start doing this for yourself. But again, I had two kids and I was just like, no, no, no. So I needed that push from the universe to get me to leave. And that was in 2017. And I was like, what am I going to do? Am I going to start a blog? Like,

oh, okay. That's only like 13 years too late. And I was really into like podcasts at the time. And so was Jill. And there were only like three beauty podcasts on iTunes was at the time. And it was just like, why don't we do this girl? Like, let's put our heads together and, you know, let's do it. And the way I remember it, we like chink the champagne, like chinked our glasses. And that's how it all started. Don't you find it so much more liberating now that you're able to speak freely on a platform without having someone else control the narrative like a magazine? Oh, fuck.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm free now. I'm free. And I love it. It feels like to me, because I just like to say what's on my mind, like I can't imagine someone saying, you know, you can't say this. We can only say this.

You have to say this in a softer way. It seems like now that you both have your own podcast, it's a space where you can say whatever you want without having someone over you with like a wooden cane. Oh yeah. It's funny you mentioned that. I remember working at a magazine and Twitter had just came out. Like I remember it was a big deal to have a Twitter account.

And there were signs in the elevator from this company that we worked at. And it said, it was like a PSA, don't put the twit in Twitter, aka don't tweet anything dumb that could reflect badly on you. Well, sure enough, I couldn't help myself. And I tweeted out something about some dry shampoo I thought was shit. And before you know you know it same day the ad sales department was like calling me into the office to be like you got to delete that tweet and I was like well I put the twit in Twitter sorry about it but like it just seems so crazy now like you couldn't express an opinion and I'm just so happy that we don't have that lording over us. I love having all the control, all the creative control.

I'm like rubbing my hands together like a mad scientist. Like, I love it. Playing with your mustache and playing with your beard like a Disney villain. Yeah, exactly. Saying whatever I want. Good. Good for you guys. I love stories like this.

I think it's so motivational for someone who feels stuck in a career where they're not able to actually express their self in the way they want to. So that makes me happy to hear. I love that story. I want to get so granular with you guys on this episode with beauty. I kicked Michael the fuck off this episode. I said, this isn't for you. You've learned enough about skincare and makeup on the podcast. Let me just dive deep with both of these women. I want to tackle each area. So I think starting off, let's talk about something everyone is experiencing. And that is maskne. And maybe some people aren't amazing, but I feel like 90% of women, especially who I've

talked to, are getting periola dermatitis. I think that's how you pronounce it. If it's not, don't worry about it. Or acne or bacteria. What are you guys seeing that is getting rid of that? If you could name specific products or rituals or tools that you're seeing to really help with that, that would be amazing.

Or even tricks that you can do with your mask. Right. Well, I'm definitely the oily skin person in this duo, so I can speak to that. I've definitely experienced maskne. It's been so annoying. Honestly, I have to say that this year has just been such a challenge for my skin. I think I'm not alone. And I think that the biggest thing for me has been exfoliation and religious exfoliation. So one product that's totally iconic, I have it here that I'm going to share with you. It's the Paula's Choice 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant Morning and Night. This is a complete hero bestseller. If you guys are out there and you have acne skin and you've never tried it, there's a reason that it's all all over Reddit. It's skincare by Hiram has made it blow up on TikTok. It's just iconic. You can

get it at Sephora now. And it's got that salicylic acid in it. So that actually is a BHA. It goes deeper into the pore than like an AHA or like a glycolic or a lactic acid. And so that's going to keep those pores clear and keep you from breaking out. I feel like just religious use of that is so key. And you just like you put it on a cotton pad, you wipe it on morning and night. And I actually just gave it to a friend of mine who was suffering from horrible acne. She's like, Jill, please help. I don't know what to do anymore. She was kind of at a loss and I got her to try this and she's like, I just ordered two more bottles. My skin has completely changed. And like, you know,

when something really works, I want to like give it a shout out for sure. And I think the exfoliation is very important. And then I'm going to give a little shout out to one more product. And this is brand new from SkinCeuticals. This is a new favorite of mine. This is their, it's called Silly Marin CF. It's a new vitamin C serum, Lauren, for oily skin. You know that we talked before about CE Ferulic and SkinCeuticals, and it's so iconic for anti-aging. This is the holy grail for oily skin people. So it's got half a percent of salicylic acid in it.

It's got 15% vitamin C and it's got half a percent of salicylic acid in it It's got 15 vitamin c and it's got half a percent of ferulic acid. So it's like anti-aging and anti-blemish so I think that's also something a lot of people are looking for and it's Definitely worth the money. It's expensive. I think it's like 150 bucks whereas the polish choice is like 30 dollars So two price points two things that have been getting me through I just want to tell the audience so they don't have to take notes if they're driving. I'm going to leave everything that you guys talk about in the show notes. We are going to be talking about a lot of products in this episode because these are two product beauty junkies. So I will make

sure that I take notes as you guys are talking so we can put it in the show notes and possibly do a blog post as well. Totally. Any other things for mask? I just wanted to add to that because I think there's two things going on with all of the masks that we're wearing. And one of them is mask knee, like Jill talked about, but the other one is more like a dermatitis situation, which I think is what you were asking about as well, Lauren. And that's, we were talking about on our show, which you guys have to tune into as well. We were talking about how my son has that. So he's getting like little dots all over his mouth. And it's more like almost like a rash.

And I feel like in that situation, and you gave me the tip to just go to disposable masks, right? Because the cloth ones, they don't breathe as well. And they just keep that moisture from the breath inside the mask. And it's that humidity that's keeping all the bacteria in there causing this dermatitis. So I also think just switching out your mask, like if you don't want to use necessarily a disposable one, like having a few of the cloth ones, so you're not wearing the same one all day. It's like grab a dry one.

Yeah. And that's what when he was going to school, I was trying to get him in the habit of at lunchtime, change your mask. I think that's so smart. I've heard people spraying the inside of their mask with like an antibacterial spray, like a skincare spray. And that seems to have helped too, like because it is that bacteria that contributes to the acne and the mask knee. And then one more final note, I can't say enough. We talked about this on our show, Lauren, but honestly, the Dr. Dennis gross mask, I have been using this every single day. And because it has that blue light, it really does help to reduce the bacteria and get rid of that acne, especially adult acne. It's just a whole other beast. The other day, you had a Dear Media party.

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That's D-R-I-N-K-B-E-V.com slash skinny. Cheers. I completely agree with you. I told you guys this on your podcast, Calflex toner was absolutely life-changing. It's crushed up Calflex and witch hazel. I used it for two days and it got rid of the dermatitis. But here's something else that I want to talk about. And I'm going to consider this as beauty. I talked to a dentist and they said, when you have a mask over your face and you're breathing through your teeth all day, everyone is going to have yellow teeth after this. And also, let's take it even further and talk about the bacteria that's on the tongue. So I'm such a huge fan of tongue scraping twice a day. I don't know how anyone on earth doesn't tongue scrape. Like, I'm on this mission to bring tongue scraping to everyone. I think everyone should invest in a

tongue scraper. Try not to get the BPA one if you can. They have like the metal ones on Amazon and making sure that you're really taking care of your oral hygiene. Couldn't agree more. You don't realize how important it is that our teeth and tongue are breathing. So breasts are smelling bad, like the whole works because of these masks. So it's not just the skin. It's also the inside of the mouth that I think is incredibly important. Is there something in oral care that you have both found that you think is like a standout star? Is it a teeth whitening strip, a tongue scraper, a certain toothpaste, a toothbrush? Would love to know. Okay. Well, I have a bit of a cheapie hack for that. And that is the

Arm & Hammer baking soda toothpaste. I think it's like $3 and it truly is one of the best whitening toothpaste out there because baking soda is just so good for your oral hygiene and it is really brightening. And then I'd say the second thing to that is Bruch, which is a new electric toothbrush company. I think it's like $79. They come in a lot of really cute colors. They have actually built in on the, I think it's the first time I've ever seen it, but I use electric toothbrush every day. And on the back of their toothbrush head, they actually have a tongue scraper and they have a mode on the electric toothbrush for tongue scraping. So the first time I've seen that in electric toothbrush.

I am in love with them. They're really affordable. I think they're like 70 or 80 bucks. And it's funny because the other ones, what is it? It's the Sonicare, the Philips Sonicare and the Oral-B. And I remember looking at like a chart and the Bruch and the Oral-B and the Sonicare. And it's like it has all the features that both have. And it's like a third of the price. It's crazy. I'm going to shout out Foreo, F-O-R-E-O, Foreo toothbrushes. I have one for me and one for Zaza. And we got them off Shop Beauty Roulette and they are the best consistency and they have them in light pink and hot pink. They're so cute and they work very well and you can also use them on your tongue. Don't sleep on the tongue. The tongue is important. Don't forget about the

tongue, okay? If you're like doing makeup and skincare and spray tan and eyebrows and all the things we have to do, we need to do a podcast called Don't Forget the Tongue. Totally. I couldn't agree more. As I've gotten older, I'm becoming more and more obsessed with my oral hygiene and I want to do Invisalign. Like I have a bit of a gap in between my two front teeth because my teeth are moving and that's a first, you know, and it's definitely something as I've gotten older, I've gotten more into. Mouthwash is underrated too, I think. Yeah. A good mouthwash. They have good ones now. They have like charcoal ones and all that. Like a whole bunch of new ones have come out lately. Don't sleep on your oral care. Invisalign is amazing. I'm using it right now to widen my

smile. I notice a huge difference. It's a bitch to remember every day, but it does work and I can totally tell a difference. So those are oral hygiene tips. We kind of took a turn, but that's okay. I would love to discuss something that I really struggle with and I feel like you guys are the gurus on this subject. What are some things, products, tips that you have on hyperpigmentation? Good question. So I think hyperpigmentation, like the ingredient everyone's talking about now is niacinamide. And I don't know if you've kind of folded that into your routine at all, but that's an ingredient that just kind of like gets at the dark spots and works from within the skin to like lighten it up.

And actually just speaking of specifics, this is a new-ish brand that came to North America from Paris earlier in 2021, I want to say. It's called Typology. And this is a really affordable 12% niacinamide serum. Basically, this line, Typology, is like France's answer to the ordinary. Everything is really affordable. These single-ingredient, heavy like heavy hitting serums they have. So this is something you could incorporate into your routine and not change anything you already have going on. And niacinamide is also great for like refining pores as well. So I think that's kind of the latest. Am I missing anything for dark spot removal? Yeah. One brand that's really exciting for, I think, a lot of people right now, it's making a lot of buzz in the industry. It's called Topicals and it's actually founded by at least one woman of color, if not two, I'm not sure. I can't remember exactly.

Their number one product, it's called Faded. And what's interesting about this, Lauren, is that it's for hyperpigmentation, but really specifically targeting a lot of skin of color because they suffer from so much hyperpigmentation. And I've heard nothing but incredible reviews about this one product. And I think it's like $40. It comes in a, like a tin tube and it's just apparently magic for hyperpigmentation all over the face. So like forehead, post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation, that's incredible. And then one device that I want to shout out that's really cool for hyperpigmentation, it's called Opti. It's O-P-T-E. And basically what it is, it's like an inkjet printer for your skin. It's invisible makeup that's really made for people with hyperpigmentation so if you want

to cover up your hyperpigmentation but you don't want to wear makeup this is it it's like a handheld device and it's like screen printing ink that's like the same color as your skin tone and it magically makes your brown spots or dark spots disappear and it does have niacinamide in it so you're getting that instant coverage but it also also is like preventing. You have to see the before and afters. It's crazy. Like it sounds like you're talking about airbrush makeup where it's like dancing with the stars. Like we're going to put this on you, but it literally is. It's kind of like that device we talked about on our show where, yeah, you're putting on, on on and it's it detects where the spots is and just like only applies the makeup there so it looks like you have no makeup on it's just covering up

those spots it's like insane when I got it at home I was like okay this is this is a bit far-fetched it's like one of those things they launch in Las Vegas to just get press about that's what I thought of for at first and then I was like holy shit shit, no, this is the future. Because it's like inkjet printing for your face, but you don't feel it. You don't see it. And your dark spots are instantly erased off your face. Can you send me the link for that on Instagram so I can look at that? I could see the wheels turning for Lauren. She's like, oh, the summer mustache. Okay. I'm scheming. My summer mustache, it is all above my upper lip. It's like, oh, the summer mustache. Okay. I'm scheming. My summer mustache, it is all above my upper lip. It looks like I drank like chocolate milk or something.

You're going to a desert island. You can only bring three beauty products each. And it can be a tool. It can be, you know, something so random. Like for me, one of my beauty products would be a huge ass hat. What are you bringing? Well, any beauty editor you're going to ask is going to tell you a sunscreen, obviously. So I'm going to tell you my number one favorite. It's the Biossance Squalane and Zinc Sheer Mineral Sunscreen SPF 30. They actually rebooted it last year. I think they had one before. And this new one, it's unbelievable that it's a mineral sunscreen and it is so sheer. It feels exactly like a lightweight daily moisturizer. You would never believe that it is actually a sunscreen. It's

for your face. And I've read tons of reviews on it. It goes on sheer, any skin tone. So I think that's great because usually with mineral sunscreens, you get that white cast. So that one is like hands down the best. I actually think it's, it's not a bad price too. It's like 29 bucks. And I love the squalane. It's such a hydrating ingredient. It really gets into the skin and plumps from within. I'm a big fan of Biossance. So that would be probably my number one. My number two. Okay. This is like an unpopular opinion, but I don't know why I'm obsessed with skincare essences, you know, like skincare waters, like kind of like toners. I love a beauty water. I love it. Like, and I know that this is possibly considered completely unnecessary in a routine. So like, why am I taking it to a desert

island? But if you get one that says softening on the label, like a softening, plumping essence, like Tatcha has one, Kledipo has one. This is very like Japanese skincare inspired. It feels like water when you put it on, but it does have a softening effect. And because it is like a water as opposed to a serum, the molecules are smaller. So it is getting further into your skin. And I just find that my skin over time, it's more plump and you want to use it in your routine between steps because even your serum after is going to penetrate deeper. And I actually learned that from Renee Rouleau. She's like a big celebrity facialist and LA beautyologist. They like to do like the skincare sandwich. She just says with water, you want to put on your serum like as

quickly as possible because basically the ingredients are going to absorb better when there's a wet surface, right? So I'm just obsessed with essences and I'd probably take, yeah, like Tatcha's or Clay to Pose. And then, oh my God, what would my third one be? You know what? I would do a concealer because I have so much skincare redness. Like that's my thing. Who are you looking good for? I'm letting all my shit hang out. I'm letting my hyperpigmentation hang out. I'm going to puff it up. Who are you looking good for with your concealer? You know what? When Miss Narcissist goes to the water to see her

own reflection, she wants to look good. Okay. What's the concealer of choice? I would probably do the Tarte Shape Tape. Yes, I'm a victim. Or the RMS Beauty one in a pot. Have you tried that? You just said this brand and I'm going to pronounce it wrong. The Clé de Peau. How do you say it?

Yeah, Clé de Peau. Concealer. I'm a fan of that concealer stick. Oh, that one too. Yeah, that one's so good. That was like my ride or die for so many years. And it like lasts forever. And actually, it's so thick. Yeah, I'd use or die for so many years and it like lasts forever. And actually,

it's so thick. Yeah, I'd use that one. It's $500 million, but it does last a long time and it does work. It's really good. It comes in a navy bottle. That's a good concealer. Okay, Jill, what are you bringing? I got to pay you a compliment. You're starting to look like me in a little bit of a, I guess I'm paying myself a compliment. You're starting to look, your hair is starting to get thick, thick like mine. Yes. And that is thanks to Nutrafol. I am a huge fan of this. I have tested it on myself before we started working with them and I'm obsessed. And it's really great if you are

in postpartum especially and you don't have as much hair as you once did. So I noticed after I had a baby, my hair sort of thinned. So I went and saw all my options and I had heard about Nutrafol a long time ago, talked with the founder, but then I started actually using Nutrafol's Postpartum and I'm obsessed. It's breastfeeding friendly and an OBGYN developed this. It's clinically tested, 100% drug-free, natural ingredients. And what it does is it helps support whole body recovery and fills in nutrition gaps. And it really helps you manage the shedding because you do shed after pregnancy. This helps you grow stronger, thicker hair. I have been using it for a couple months. Every single day, I take four. Every single day, I have it laid out in the morning. I like to take

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into my DMs. Tell me the juice. Well, I feel like a troll unless I'm wearing mascara. So that's number one. I would bring my favorite right now is the Hourglass Cosmetics Instant Extensions. I believe it's I want to get the exact name for you guys. But it's kind of like a tubing mascara where it just like when it comes off at the end of the day, it's very washable, but you like feel it come off. And I'm just obsessed with it because it lasts. There's zero smudging. I actually did test it walking in a hurricane, so I know it will hold up. I highly recommend that would be one of my products. I think my other thing that I'm kind of obsessive about is exfoliation. And so I think even if I was sitting literally on a beach and I just wanted to feel like clean, I'd want to exfoliate my skin.

So I'd bring like Kate Somerville ExfoliKate. I actually just did that this morning in my shower. I'm obsessed with it. It's like, you know, that two minute treatment you do twice a week. And it's just, it's iconic for a reason because it gives you those glowy results and your skin feels amazing. Pores look tighter afterwards. Love all of that. And then I'm also obsessed with lip balm. Like if I got to a desert Island and my lips were dry, I think I would just, I don't know what I would do. It would not a good scene I actually have a new favorite lip balm and it's from Laneige and I know the last time I was on your show Lauren we talked about Laneige the what's it called again the pink one sleep lip sleeping sleeping mask it's such a good one but the trick with that I feel like is not to just wear it overnight it's to wear it during the day totally the pink sleeping mask one it just like makes your lips so fuckable.

Also, Summer Fridays has a great lip butter that I'm really into right now. Those two are great, I think. So this is a new spin on the pink sleeping mask. This is a brand new one from Laneige. It's called the Lip Treatment Balm. And it's so cool. It comes in a little pot. It's like very, very blush pink. The coolest thing, guys, is the applicator for it is just here. It's like hidden because you know what the sleeping mask, you got to stick your finger in it or you lose the little spatula that comes with it. So they've thought ahead with this and the spatula like fits in a little home top of the lid. So cute. And so it's not as like glossy as that lip sleeping mask from LeMage.

It's actually a balm texture. And I'm obsessed with this right now. I need to try it. Totally. Let's discuss body. I just recently did a masterclass with Dr. Dennis Gross. And we really focused on body. We focused on his exfoliating body pads. We talked about the importance of dry brushing and staying out of the sun.

We even talked about when you're in yoga and you're doing downward dog and you look down at your knees and you're like, shit, I need to do something about my knees. Like we're so focused on our face and our neck and our hands. But what about the rest of the body? What are some products that you guys think just get it? Okay. I'm going to tell you about something really cool and new. This is from a brand called Plus and these are sheets. I'm holding it up to the camera. They are body wash sheets, Lauren, that are like going to replace your shower gel because everything about this is completely biodegradable. So they're single use sheets. So you think at first, oh, that's not great for the environment, but actually every single thing about this washes down your drain in your shower. So you just wet the sheet that's inside and this

becomes your body wash. And then you throw this on top of your drain and watch it disappear. And everything about it washes down the drain and it's vegetable ink on the exterior of the package. And the lather is incredible. It comes in like three different scents. It's actually created by Julie Schott. She's the creator of Starface. And she was a former beauty editor. So I just love the innovation that's coming out in body care to your point.

I needed to see a video of this happening. Like the actual external package just melts away in the shower. Yep. Washes down the drain. Does it wash your spray tan off? That, I haven't put it to the rigorous test yet. But if I were to do that, I would probably like lather myself with olive oil and sugar to get the spray tan going.

And then I would use this. I just think about the potential of this technology for body. And when we're traveling or on the road again, I'll never travel with a clunky bottle of body wash ever again. I think that the IT foundation or coverage CC cream is IT Cosmetics. I think that for me, that gives me the most beautiful glow that I've seen. It's dewy. It's good coverage. Is there a product, a makeup product that both of you guys can say, wow, this is life-changing. I always reach for it.

Oh, so many. It could be any makeup product. I don't like to overwhelm the audience. Like I just like to give them one thing that we all have to try. I have two. Okay. You can do two. You know what?

I have definitely drunk the Kool-Aid at the bar of Charlotte Tilbury. I just think that her products are so good. And if you're not a makeup artist and you want something that's really user-friendly and it's like you're going to use it and you will look prettier after you're done using it. I think her bronzer, it's so good. The compact is like so pretty. This is the airbrush bronzer. It's in the palest shade. It doesn't even look like a bronzer because it's so pale. That's the thing. When you put it on, it doesn't look like, whoa, you've got this orange on your face. And they also, she also has like really dark shades as well. And it's just so flattering. And I feel like her blushes, I forgot what they're called, but it's a blush.

And then it has a swirl of highlight right in it. It's like you don't have to think about where am I putting my highlighter? It has the exact right amount of luminescence. So you get like this glow. And I just think if you want to look a little bit glammed up, it's just a sure bet. Like her stuff is so good. Jill, I'm buying that, by the way. Jill, are we talking about foundation here, you guys?

You can talk about any kind of makeup. Oh, it's so hard. It's so hard. OK, I want to talk about this product and it's kind of bougie. So excuse me, but this is very innovative. It's from Chanel. It's called Chanel Le Beige. And it's not brand new this year, but they It's from Chanel. It's called Chanel Le Beige and it's not brand new

this year, but they do have shade extensions and this is their water fresh tint. You can see it's like almost empty and this is just such a unique product and I'm obsessed with it for the summer. Essentially what you do is it's got pigment bursts suspended in water and you pump out a drop onto your hand. It comes with a little kabuki brush and you literally put this on your skin and it is that perfect French girl look in a bottle, which is like barely any makeup on, but your skin looks glowy. You look like you're not overdone, but you're put together. And I just think it's like so rare that you see like complete innovation especially in the foundation category and I think I would say this is like skincare makes makeup it's definitely not

a lot of coverage and this is something I've been reaching for a lot like during the pandemic and during times when we didn't want to wear a lot of makeup and I found myself returning to this so if you want that like no makeup makeup look you don't love wearing a lot of makeup, but you want your skin to look glowy AF, this I highly recommend. And then on the opposite spectrum, if you want to look snatched with a total full coverage look, the new Huda Beauty Faux Filter, she reformulated her foundation. It is incredible. I do a ton of camera work on TV and doesn't budge. You do not look shiny. It's so pretty on the skin. It's like a soft, radiant matte. And I can't say enough good things about it. I'm obsessed. Doesn't settle into your pores. And I love when beauty brands out there, someone like Huda, she's been around forever. She doesn't really need to go back and reformulate products. They will sell,

but she did because she knew she could make it better. And I really appreciate that. So when there's new innovation and new technology that you can put into a formula, I appreciate when brands tweak accordingly and make what they have on offer better. So I would recommend those two for two totally different types of looks. I love it. Both of those sound so interesting. I have to try both. Something that I pay attention to, and I don't know if it's just because I geek out on like creativity and aesthetic, is makeup things that make you look older than you are. You know, something that I've seen on myself is that I notice when I pull my brow down too far, I look older. So I've been sort of cutting it off at the end. So it pulls the face up.

Another thing that I do is I notice when I put highlighter on my temple, it pulls the eye up and makes me look younger. So like little tiny hacks that I do that I feel like are not making me look older, but making me look younger. Is there something that you're seeing a lot of that you think ages people when they do? And like, you know, overlining their lips too much. Like what are those little things that people are doing that you think a little tweak would make you look younger? What did you have for dinner last night? Salmon, ocean salmon.

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and $75 for national ocean raised salmon has double the omega-3 content versus most wild salmons and their premium Atlantic salmon is raised in open nets in fresh water. They have different packets. Try it with a little Meyer lemon, some pink Himalayan salts, bake it in parchment for 20 minutes. Oh my God, it melts in your mouth. You are going to love it. Ocean Salmon arrives seven days fresher than anything you can find at your local retailer. Like I said, to get your box of Ocean, visit oceansalmon.com and use code skinny for 15% off plus free, free, free, free shipping. That's O-S-H-E-N-S-A-L-M-O-N.com. You're going to use code skinny. Ocean raised, ocean loved, salmon as it should be. Personally, I think a lot of times it's foundation. I know a

lot of people, you know, like I'm over 40 now and I know a lot of people who are still wearing the same foundation that they were wearing back in like college. And I just think that your skin gets drier as you get older. Take it from me. Like I used to have a really oily T-zone, like whiteheads, whiteheads constantly. And it took me a while to realize like, oh, wow, I'm almost in the dry zone now. So to be using like, you know, a powder foundation when your skin is changing like that, it's just not the right move. It's going to settle into your fine lines and become cakey. So what I love to do, to be honest, is I take a product like what Jill just talked about, the Chanel Le Beige or a tinted moisturizer, and I mix it with a foundation. I'm actually obsessed with mixing

my foundations. It's one of my favorite things to do. So I really like the Clarins foundation. It's really good on its own, but in the summer, it's all about a glow. Like if you want to look younger, you got to get a glow going somehow. So even if you have oily skin, you can put a little bit of powder, you know, in your T-zone afterwards, but it can't be full on powder everywhere. Do you know what I mean? So if you need to mix and create your own hybrid and get creative, that's what's going to make you look younger. A hundred percent. Yeah. And I would say two things. Number one is wearing really, really dark eyeliner, like jet black. And maybe you could pull it off when you're like a little bit younger, but it is quite aging. I always give

that example of like Kate Middleton on her wedding day. She just like, everybody was like, all you could see was the eyeliner. Apparently she did her makeup herself. I don't know, but it just wasn't as fresh or as flattering. And she was like very young at the time. Right. So I think that that's something that a little less heavy handed on, especially on like when you're doing the under eye area as well. And then I think my biggest tip is about brows. Your brow color that you fill in should be a shade lighter than your hair color. And the reason is it's like you want people to see your face. You don't want them to see this stamp of color on your eyebrow so most people will be totally fine with taupe I have quite dark hair

and I only ever wear taupe eyebrow tint or eyebrow fill because it's definitely the most youthful and most flattering and I think also just in general when people start to go gray with their hair they tend to like try to hang on to their hair color they had when they were younger. And that can tend to look quite aging and too harsh. So most people have to go lighter as they get a little older if they want to keep dying their hair. It's definitely the most youthful way to do it. That's such a good tip. Sometimes I feel like my brow gets filled in a little bit too much. So that's a good, good tip for me too. What I also noticed too is when things are competing. So if you're going to do like a gnarly eye, I like a lip, a chapstick. Or if I'm going to do a bold pink lip, I go really soft on the eyes. And when I say competing, I even mean with clothes and hair so like if I'm wearing this

extravagant outfit I try to just go sleek on the hair and natural on the makeup if I'm doing like a gnarly ponytail I try to tone down the makeup and tone down the outfit I think that for me I notice when there's too many things competing with each other it it's not useful. Totally. I want to know thoughts on plastic surgery, Botox, filler. You guys are obviously very much on the pulse of the industry. What are your thoughts? I love it all. I definitely do Botox. I don't really believe so much, Lauren, in preventative Botox. I don't really think you should be spending your money on Botox until you see a line. I interviewed Dr. Jean Carruthers on our podcast way back in 2017, I believe. She invented Botox for cosmetic use. Okay. She's

total OG. And that's what she told me. It's like, until you're looking in the mirror and you see the lines, you don't really need it. And I know a lot of people disagree with me on that. That's my personal opinion. It's very expensive. Why start before you really need it? I do the under eye filler as well. And just, I find that I look a lot less tired, less puffy. And we did a whole interview with Dr. Lara Devgan. She's a great plastic surgeon in New York. And we did back-to-back episodes about eyes. So like one episode was all about like eye treatments, what you can do with your eye cream to make you look younger. But then we were like, when the eye cream isn't cutting it, Dr. Devgan, what do we do? And she gave us so many tips. And so right now I'm obsessed with watching her Instagram. I think she's an industry leader in terms of like what she's doing with

plastic surgery. And she's female as well, which I think gives her, I don't know, she just has this finesse with the work that she does. Everyone just looks fresher and more beautiful, not done. And that's, I think, the direction that we're going. I don't know if you would have anything to add, Carlene, about treatments or procedures. Yeah. Well, I think one of the things that really interested me about her is the fact fact that you know not only does she do like eye lifts and that kind of thing but like micro procedures where it's like I forgot what it's called now but like the corner of your eye the way it's like slightly slanted down which mine is it's like she can do a tiny plastic surgery procedure where it's like tilting up slightly

instead of tilting down so as opposed to like the full, how do you say it? Bless so far me. Forget. Blepharoplasty. Blepharoplasty. Yeah. It's like there are other options that you can do. And it's, I need to go and see her.

Oh my God. I have seen her for lips. She filled my lips and she did a really nice job. And you are right. There is something to be said about a woman doing as opposed to a man it's a softer more feminine touch I also find that that in LA the doctors are more extreme than they are in New York in LA it's like almost you want to look a little bit overdone whereas New York it's almost better to be a little bit soft. It's so interesting how

it's different on each coast. Yeah. What I find fascinating right now, Lauren, I don't know if you'll agree as a Real Housewives fan is they're all starting to go to the same doctor because I don't know if they're getting everything for free, but like Kyle gets a new smile. Ramona gets a new smile and like they're all going to the same person. And I find across the franchises from Beverly Hills to New York, they're starting to the same person. And I find across the franchises from Beverly Hills to New York, they're starting to look more similar. That's why I think I'm obsessed with Meredith Marks from Salt Lake. I think she's just so beautiful and so soft. And I just think she is chic and rocks it. She stands out. Her personality stands out. I love her. She's stunningly gorgeous. Did you go to Heather's place to get Botox?

I did not go to her place. I told her I wanted to go. Heather, I got to go to Beauty Lab next time I come to Utah. You guys have to for sure interview her. I feel like she's perfect for your podcast. I know. I love her. Love her so much.

Sorry, that was an aside. No, that's a little side note. I would love to know some things that you guys do to protect yourself from the sun besides sunscreen. It seems to me that you're both very cognitive about the sun. What are some things? I invested in a Prada ball cap that I have no regrets that I spent $500 on. No, but I think Jill is better in this category than I am. We were just talking about this the other day that she actually wears SPF clothing to the beach. I've never done that. I will do a hat. It has to be designer or I won't want to wear it. So I'm like, I'll just, you know, why not splash out and then I'll wear it more. You don't want to wear my $5 Amazon hat

that I have right here around. Like, how dorky is this? I don't care. I look so ugly walking around town in this huge hat. Oh, my God. I would wear that jogging. I would wear that when I go for my runs. What about you, Jill? Like, tell us all about your SPF clothing.

Yeah, I have just one from J.Crew, like a long sleeve rash guard thing that if I'm in direct sun, like at the beach primetime, like I am definitely wearing that. And also Uniqlo has great UV clothing. And I'm talking about like they don't just have like beach wear. They have like stuff you can work out in that has UPF in it. It's the way that they like do the knit on the clothing that gives you the UPF protection. And, you know, we just we did did not too long ago, a whole episode about sunscreen. And I think that our guest at the time, Dr. Michelle Wong, she was talking about how

UPF clothing and hats and being in the shade and stuff is just so much better. It's way better protection because there's so much user error when it comes to sunscreen. And I fully believe that. And it's so hard to touch up when you're at the beach and all of that. I'm always under an umbrella. Like you see me coming to the beach. I love it. I'm total beach bum, but I have a full UV protectant like umbrella. I've got every SPF under the sun. I have a huge bag of it, whatever texture you want. I've got it. I've got a stick. I've got a spray. I've got a fluid. I've got, you name it. I'm wearing a hat that has SPF in it. So I find that over time that definitely makes a difference and it just makes me feel better and more protected about being in the sun for sure. And I'll just tell you one thing that scared me straight, Lauren, was that every beauty

editor goes through this ritual of getting your picture taken under a blue light that shows you every bit of sun damage you ever had. And I've gotten that done when I was in my early 20s. And ever since then, I've been like so religious about covering up in the sun. Get the fuck out of the sun. Totally. Exactly. I will add one last tip that I was sort of percolating in my head, and I just saw it on Twitter this morning from LA Beautyologist. She's so amazing. I don't know if you've talked to her on your podcast, but she's a facialist out of LA. She goes by Nye, but it's Niamhka Robert Smith. She's also a YouTuber. She basically invented the 60 second rule when it comes to like cleansing your face, which is the easiest, cheapest game changer ever.

But I think when it comes to sunscreen, like we often get asked, what is the easiest, cheapest game changer ever. But I think when it comes to sunscreen, like we often get asked, what is the best way to reapply your sunscreen? And we've talked to like different people and they're like, well, I don't believe in the sprays or I don't believe in the powders or this and that, the drops and all that. And it's really about layering. Like that's the best thing to do. And that's what she was tweeting about this morning. And she's like, if you can do three levels of SPF, then you're golden. So it's like, if you want to start out with like sunscreen drops as your base, which I love, like I love the Kula ones and the Venus Williams ones, and then put a sunscreen, like a regular sunscreen on top. And then if you're using a spray or a sunscreen powder later,

it's like you've got these layers under it. So you're not just relying on that where of course it's going to be spotty with a spray or with a powder. Do you know what I mean? I'm mad at you that you didn't share that in my book. Well, I just heard it this morning. She like she articulated it so well. She's this is what she's so great about. But I love this idea of sunscreen layering and like different types and different modes. I think it's great because not everyone wants to cover up at the beach. Right. And also using using a beauty blender to reapply your sunscreen when you're at the beach so you don't get your sandy hands all over your sunscreen. Just like have a beauty blender and then like be able to touch up. It's absolutely genius. You can like be more direct with your placement when it's like the wind's going and sand's going. I don't know what's worse, having a sunscreen on your fingers

or having flaming hot Cheetos on your fingers after a drunk night out. Would love to know an ancient hack that you do for wellness or beauty. So you mentioned going to the beach. I love putting my feet in the sand. I think the healing properties of the sand are absolutely incredible for grounding. Is there anything that you both do that is an ancient practice that if you guys could give even one that's like free, like grounding's free, it doesn't have to be free, but something ancient that really helps with beauty and wellness would be great. Okay. Well, I have one that I do and it's basically scalp massage. Like, is there any better moment than when you're at the hair salon and they're massaging your head and they're like, you know, getting the shampoo all in there. And I just was like, one time I was washing my hair

and I was like, why am I brushing this? Like, why don't I do that at home? And so I actually started to do it like a lot more deliberate with like scalp massage. And I just think it's great for like stimulating hair growth and also just like total relaxation. It is actually incredible. And I actually have one of those wire things that it's like it kind of looks like an. Oh, the head massager. Yeah. Those like over there. And it literally is like instantly calming. There's something about that. And I know like in Ayurvedic massage, which is like, you know, obviously very Eastern

inspired, like they spend like so much time on the head and scalp and neck massage. And it's just very important for like your overall health. And it feels you're instantly relaxed. You can't be stressed if you're massaging your head. That's something I do. Book, podcast, or resource that you would direct our audience to besides obviously your own incredible fucking podcast for beauty. There's so many.

Well, the two that really have a great show, we did a pod swap with them and we laughed our heads off the whole time. It's called the Double Cleanse Podcast. And it's with the twins from the UK, Robert Welsh and James Welsh. And one's a skincare YouTuber and another is a makeup guru on YouTube. And they just have the best vibe.

They really know product, but they giggle and laugh. And it's just a complete joy and escape to turn them on. And I'll literally be walking down the street, listening to them and laughing out loud. I just think that they're, they're so great. And Dr. Devgan, she actually has a podcast as well for just like more of that. Like, you know, if you're more interested in that, like plastic surgery type of stuff. Yeah, I would add lab muffin. So Dr. Michelle Wong, I think she has a PhD in chemistry and she's just so if you want to get

even nerdier than we are about like, and she uses that term, so that's okay for me to say that, but she knows everything about like formulation. So if you really want to get in depth about ingredients or we just did an episode with her about sunscreen and like how to pick one that you can trust. Yeah, she just knows everything. She's like just a fountain of information. So the hard care skin addiction people are like they all follow her. It's called Skin Care School and it's from Australia. So if you're looking for it, that's the podcast that yeah, she just did a 12 part series. Yeah. I just want to take a minute to acknowledge both of you guys in the beauty industry. I look up to all your product recommendations. I think you both do such an

amazing job of providing your audience with value. I was telling you guys earlier, you know, your listeners, they go to you because you really break down every single facet from the science to the price to why you like it. I just think what you guys are doing for the industry is so amazing. So I'm really glad that you left your job. Aw, thanks, lady. Me too. Fuck the man. Yes. So you guys are both on the Dear Media Network like us.

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