The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Bryony Deery - How To Make Small Changes For A Better Life & Mindset For Success

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

#668: Bryony Deery is a renowned UK Pilates trainer and founder of the health & fitness app, Pilates By Bryony. She discovered Pilates as a form of rehabilitation after a serious road accident at the age of 17 which left her with chronic pain and arthritis. After 10 years of self-practice which left her pain and arthritis free, she embarked on a teaching journey of her own. Today, she joins us for a conversation on natural healing and how to make small lifestyle changes to enhance your health, mental focus, and overall quality of life. She also discusses the rise of her Pilates business and gives insight into how she grew her business from nothing. To connect with Bryony Deery click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Honeylove Treat yourself to the best bras and shapewear on the market & save 20% off your order at honeylove.com/skinny . This episode is brought to you by AG1 If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1. Go to drinkAG1.com/SKINNY to get a free 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase.   This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/HIMANDHER to receive 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first subscription order. This episode is brought to you by A2 Nutrition A2 Platinum is formulated for tiny tummies as the grow and develop. Visit a2platinum.com/SKINNY to get 25% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Toups & Co Visit www.toupsandco.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off your first order. Produced by Dear Media

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Aha! I went through a period of feeling a dark cloud on me, like constantly. It was like the lowest time ever. So I just stayed in bed all weekend, like literally didn't leave my bed. All the curtains were closed, like just dark time. And I remember listening to a Jay Shetty podcast and it was like your mental health ingredients list or something along those lines. Like you have to write down what is going to make you feel good and what is going to

get you through this time. So I wrote this like manically. I was like, okay, waking up early, doing this, doing that hot and cold therapy, whatever meditation, Pilates. And then literally that next day, I just stuck to this routine every single day. It's so great when you record an episode and you're like, this episode is going to hit. And this is one of those episodes. When we recorded this, I looked at Michael after and I'm like, the audience is just going to not only love the episode, but love Bryony. Bryony Deary is on the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast today, and she is letting us in in all the ways. She talks about an accident that she went through when she was 17. She talks about trauma that she experienced

during COVID. She's so open. She's so raw. And she also gives us the juice on all the questions that we want to know. We talk about exercise, beauty, diet, fitness. She is the founder of a health and fitness app that is very, very famous, especially in the UK. It's called Pilates by Bryony. She is also a co-founder of the brand Cloudsha. It's a matcha brand and it is delicious, let me tell you. On that note, Bryony, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I actually found you, and I haven't told you this, through Kenzie Burke. Oh, yes. She had posted that she was working out with you and I clicked and I just found you and I haven't told you this through Kenzie Burke. Oh, yeah. She had posted like that she was working out with you and I clicked and I just found your page

so soothing and calm and serene. I liked your voice. I just liked your vibe. Thank you. But I want to know about you before all of this. So where did you grow up? What was your childhood like? Talk about that. Okay, so I grew up in England, obviously. And it was kind of like quite a, I don't know, quite a normal family upbringing. My parents both worked really, really hard. So my mom, my mom was super successful. She, I like, I really remember from my childhood, her being so driven and hardworking. That's kind of like, it's always stayed with me. I had quite a normal childhood and then so shy. I only found my

confidence when I was maybe 27, 28. So I was so shy in that whole time. Why? Like painfully shy. I had a, this is like jumping, but I actually had a swimwear business quite a few years ago. And I remember like I would do a breakfast to launch it and there'd be like 10 people there. And I could cry at the thought of getting up and saying thank you for them to come in for coming. I have no idea. I just was, I wasn't insecure. I was just, or I don't know that it was from an insecurity. I think I was just, my brother was very intelligent. He was like a child genius, but didn't work for it. So everything came very natural to him. Whereas I had to kind of work a

bit harder and I still wasn't very bright in school, wasn't super smart. So maybe that was in me and I was kind of overcompensating or just not super confident. And then I literally only found my confidence like recently. It says here that you got in an accident at 17. Does that have to do with the shyness starting at 18 and what happened? Yeah, maybe. So I had a, that's kind of how I got into Pilates. I had a car accident when I was nearly 18 and I had to wear a neck brace. It was a big car accident. Not cute wearing that neck brace. So I twisted my pelvis, my neck, I was just in so much pain. Yeah, they had to basically scoop me out of this car on a spinal board yeah it was it was not good and i'd obviously just passed my driving test so excited and everything oh that's the worst yeah it was so bad and then pilates wasn't really a thing then so no one like it was it when like that many years ago the people doing pilates were like 70 years old only and it was more of like a rehab kind of type of a thing.

So then I was in so much pain. I was actually taking Tramadol. I don't know if you've ever taken it before, but I was prescribed Tramadol, which was insane. I lost so much weight. I couldn't eat anything. I think it gave me some form of depression anyway so I had this terrible pain I had I was taking tramadol every day and then I had to come off tramadol obviously is it a pain medication or is it a like a it's kind of like on your way to morphine I guess pain medication yeah then I had to actually go on antidepressants because when I came off the tramadol I just couldn't sleep I I mean, I was literally wide awake, wired all night, like downstairs doing things at home. I couldn't sleep. I'd lost so much weight. And then I had to go on these antidepressants. When I would fall asleep,

I would, you know, when you like jump yourself awake, but it was worse than that. It was like almost like a mini kind of attack waking me up. So anyway, I went on these tablets and at the same time I discovered Pilates. So the doctors were all telling me you have to do Pilates, you have to strengthen your core. And yeah, that's kind of how I got into it. But the Pilates that I was doing then was like this in this rehab center in the hospital. It wasn't like a like super vibey Pilates studio. I just completely got hooked on Pilates healing my body. But it wasn't at that time a thing that I would stay consistent with because no one else was doing it. And when you're 18, you just want to do things your friends are doing. Do you know

what I mean? Totally. What's so interesting to me about all of this is that your doctor in is it the uk yeah tells you you need to do pilates in america that would never happen really no no no no no how come what would they here's the pill okay well i guess i i want to say it was on tablets. Not every doctor, majority of doctors did not suggest Pilates in America. Okay. Well, I guess I was lucky because actually a couple of doctors suggested it. They said you have to go. And basically, if your core is strong, your back is going to be more protected, more supported. Yeah. And then I basically went from being in terrible pain, like tears every single day, obviously wearing this neck brace on pain medication to like zero pain. Wow. But then I was just being 18, like, okay, I've cured myself. I'm good now. Like,

I'll just do something else. And obviously you have to keep working at it. So then I would try other forms of exercise. Like, I I don't know there was like a spin hype at one point or like a Barry's or whatever and I couldn't work out why I still had this pain and I wasn't feeling good and I was getting so inflamed so puffy and then I kept kind of finding myself going back to Pilates and then I got diagnosed with arthritis quite soon after like just kind of after I had healed myself what is that from so it's it can be hereditary which is in my case and my mom has it my grandma has it my auntie has it so but I was so young when I got diagnosed but I literally couldn't tie my hair up. My fingers were so

painful. I couldn't put my hair in a hairband. Couldn't pull. I remember in my house at the time, I had pulley light switches. I couldn't grip. So arthritis makes it just basically your, I know it takes your grip strength, right? And it takes some of your hand function, right? But what else does it do? So it basically, i've got rheumatoid arthritis so it attacks different joints so my body was creating a liquid that was basically kind of attacking itself if that makes sense and how do you manage that at the time they hadn't actually diagnosed me but that's what it was and they were like we'll just give you a cortisone injection and it'll be fine so had a cortisone injection obviously and i was like like, oh great, it's cured. And it was obviously short term, but then it came back and it was honestly,

my fingers were like sausages. They were huge. And they had like red bumps all over them. Then they just didn't know what it was, but they had, they had just like masked it with the cortisone injection. Fast forward to when I went to Switzerland, I then went to a specialist because it got so bad in the cold without doing all the things I do now. It got so bad. So then I went to this arthritis specialist and she said, it's like severe arthritis and you need to take injections every month. So do you still take injections? No, I've never taken them. So then I was like, okay, even though I have tattoos, my parents are always like, you're not scared of needles. You have tattoos.

It's a different kind of needle though. It's kind of scared. I get it. I couldn't do it myself either. I had to do it myself. And the thought of like a family member doing it. So I thought, no, I'm going to just try and heal some other way. That's when I kind of started doing the saunas and all of that kind of stuff.

So I stopped dairy. Also, at the same time, I had severe acne. So I had arthritis, covered in spots. Neck brace, acne. Not a look. Setting the scene. Yeah, so I had acne and i also had this arthritis so i was thinking okay maybe i'm getting just maybe i have such bad levels of inflammation in my body

so i went to hormone specialist and she was like your inflammation in your body is through the roof like i've never seen this this level in the clinic. So then I'm thinking, okay, like this, this isn't good. So basically I cut out dairy completely, cut out meat. I went so extreme. So cut out meat, dairy, and I occasionally ate fish and that was it. I still had gluten, but yeah, I did that for, it was only recently that I added a little bit of meat in and it's funny when you talk about mince because my craving is burger which is obviously mince like it's wild everyone thought I was pregnant I was thinking I need to know where I can get my next burger what is mince mince is what you eat. Ground beef. What do you call it? Ground beef.

That's mince. I'm going to call it mince now. I was obsessed with mince out of the blue. And I hadn't eaten any meat for like seven years. And then one day I was thinking, I need to find a burger somewhere. And how did it go? Like adding meat back into your system after you hadn't had it like at all? Honestly, like i went all

in i didn't even ease myself in we'd literally just had brunch i was actually in copenhagen at the time we'd just finished brunch i said to my boyfriend i was like can we go and get a burger and he's like we've just eaten brunch how are you he's like great and he gets to wear another outfit though yeah yeah he puts his other outfit on so yeah we went i had like a full blown burger straight away and i had no reactions no bad reaction i think though when you have when you have arthritis and you're so when you were so young and you have all this inflammation i can understand why you would be so extreme to cut everything out yeah and then add it back in slowly to see what your intolerances were. Looking back, can you pinpoint what those were? Well, dairy really had an impact on my acne.

What kind of dairy was, were you mostly? So I, because I was in Switzerland, that's like their diet is basically dairy and meat. So I had to kind of cut everything out, but like cheese, milk, cream. I also cut out eggs. So I was just trying, like manically trying everything and anything. I even went on Roaccutane and it didn't work twice. And Roaccutane is, do you call it Roaccutane?

I think we call it Accutane. Accutane, yeah. It's so strong. It is strong, huh? I haven't heard a lot about it, what people's experience, but I've heard it is so strong. They put a lot lot about it what people's experience but i've heard it is so they put a lot of young kids on it what are the reactions to that you get crazy dry lips

like they're like bleeding oh that ain't gonna work for us lauren i need those lips moving yeah i can't have i can't have some chappy, ashy lip. Chappy lips. It's seriously like cracked, bleeding lips. You get dry eyes. A lot of people feel depressed. I didn't really know the difference between having depression because I was covered in spots or feeling low on the, you know what I mean? I know. It's like pick your poison.

For me, it just didn't work. During the time I was on it it worked like you never get a single spot when you're taking it and then some people never get a spot back like my brother went on it and never had another spot ever again i don't see a spot on your skin though no i do have spots i don't see a spot okay maybe it's a micro you guys go watch the youtube there's no Also, Carson, this has to be noted. This is not a spot. My son scratched my face. That's a spot.

He grabbed me the other day and just dug his ears in there. You have also shavings from your beard all over your t-shirt. It looks like you shaved your pubes and rubbed it all over your chest. I don't know what's going on. That is not hot. I knew you were going to be on camera today. Yeah, okay. Hey, by the way, cut our kid our kids fingernail we'll keep going how do you decide to start a swim line so i oh another thing about my childhood i guess is i

had done every single job under the sun like anything you can think of i had done it i'd worked in a chinese restaurant in makeup makeup, all these different things. I actually worked in makeup when I was having the arthritis. So that was a problem. I couldn't pick up the brushes, everything. It was this whole thing. And yeah, and then I went to media. So I worked for the New York Times magazine, Cosmopolitan, all these different magazines.

And I met this guy, my ex, who I moved to Switzerland for. So he was like, come to Switzerland with me. You know, we'll figure out when you get here. But I loved working. So I was thinking, OK, I've just come from working in Cosmopolitan. It's like fun fashion magazine. And now I'm in it wasn't even like Zurich, which is probably the London of Switzerland. It was like the small town in Switzerland. So I just thought, okay, I'm going to do this swimwear brand. So that's when I created it then. And how did you even go about that?

I literally just sat at my dining table, found everything, Googled everything. I was like Googling like anything you can possibly think of. I typing into Google I knew nothing I was so naive but I think sometimes it's good to be naive because had I not had I known what I knew I knew afterwards I would never have done it well I think the it's the swimline is so interesting to me because I think it probably gave you a lot of tools to where you are now because even when I see your Instagram like you're doing a lot of similar things that you just said. Like I see you doing dye lines and like I can see you coming out with your own workout line and you have this platform. So it's almost like you had to get through the swim line to get to the other side to your own brand. Yeah, completely. I feel like

the swimwear company was like the practice run. Do you know what I mean? So I made loads of expensive mistakes. I did some, achieved some really cool things as well. We, I mean, I was stocked in Harvey Nichols. I had like 19 stores in the UAE that I was stocked in. We did some cool things, but it was, I think you have to be completely into it, invested in what you do. Obviously, you guys know that. And I just wasn't really that into it. I think I just liked the idea. And yeah. What was the moment of self-awareness where you were like,

I don't want to be doing this? This isn't the right direction for me. And how did you pivot? I'm trying to think what moment it was because it was quite gradual. I started at the same time I started corporate wellness business. So I still had the swimwear. Then I launched this corporate wellness business that was basically taking loads of therapists and meditation practitioners, yoga, Pilates teachers, and obviously supplying them to offices in London. Yeah, it was so cool.

I loved it. And then COVID hit, basically. All the offices closed. Yeah, it wasn't kind of like a harsh ending because I kept it going the whole time until then I was just like, you could probably even look on the website now. Everything's just out. You just slowly kind of wound it down. Yeah.

Yeah. There was never like, I'm pretty sure it's still alive so then how do you move into this corporate wellness situation and your swim to what you're doing now what did COVID make you stop and look at what you were doing and dissect it and be like this is the path that I need to be on yes so we obviously were hiring this kind of like amazing group of people in London to then provide them to different business like Barclays and LinkedIn and all these different places. So I wanted to know that people were like really on it and really good. So I, we were obviously trying to look for yoga teachers and Pilates teachers. And I was thinking, I really want to

do this. I could do this myself. So, but just for myself, I had no intention with the business, but I just thought I'm going to take my certification now because I've been doing it for so long. I think I can just do it for myself as a hobby, as like kind of an achievement. So that kind of spurred me on to do that. Then we went into lockdown and all the offices closed. So our business went to zero like overnight did london go into full lockdown full lockdown so like one day to the next no one was going into their offices no one was like leaving their house it was intense how long did that stay like that for like pretty much a year when did we get over there last?

We went over there and it was still kind of going on. I don't remember. God, it must have been a while since you guys have been to London. Yeah, maybe 21. Yeah, I could use a London trip. It might have been at the end of 2020. I have a question in the midst of what you're telling me. Were you taking Pilates and into Pilates all the time is that how this transpired yes so i was always going back i

would do like a hype at like a hype class or a different exercise and then i'd be like okay that's not working for me go back to pilates because it raises your cortisol and i feel like this is so weird i feel like it makes me gain weight. Because that's like raising my cortisol, raising my cortisol. Yeah, completely. And because my inflammation levels are already so high, it was just through the roof. So I was doing all these different things and then finding myself going back to Pilates.

So I just thought, okay, I just, and then anytime I was kind of needing to, I don't know, also kind of as a mindfulness practice for myself, just to calm myself down, I would go back to Pilates or if I was going through a challenging time, I'd go back. So then I took my certification and then we decided to create this online portal for our corporate clients. So we got all of our practitioners to record for us. And we did like this kind of makeshift homemade app, but it wasn't an app, like a website of videos for them to like subscribe their employees

to. It kind of didn't really work. I mean, they liked the idea, but it just, there's so many options out there. So they were just like just like no so basically income went to zero then my mom got diagnosed with cancer so I'm like okay I've got no money my mom is now really sick and so my mom and dad are separated but they get on really well so for lockdown me my mom and my dad all moved in together so so i was like looking after my mom my dad does that you're so sweet it was it was honestly after your mom yeah but it was now i look back i just think it's some of the like most special times it's just so funny my dad was online dating and you know that you know you know you could only meet up in supermarkets during covid my dad oh he was

online dating my dad would like meet because you couldn't because you couldn't go anywhere but you couldn't go anywhere besides the supermarket so my dad would be like i'm just meeting sally and waitress which in hindsight by the way we're not going to be living in a house together with zaza and you're meeting girls at the supermarket. I'll be like, listen, I'm like, shh, shh, meet me at the H-E-B. I'll be the guy in the hat. So was your mom fine with him meeting Sally at the supermarket? So fine. Like me, he would do these Zoom calls and they were like Zoom dates. It's actually just heartbreaking. So me and my mom would, he would like go into his office and do these zoom calls with his date online he's actually gonna kill me for saying this i think it's so sweet and then me

and my mom would creep up the stairs and hear him going like so uh lisa what kind of music i picture your dad is like a super suave English gentleman in a suit. Is that like, am I picturing the right guy? Yeah, that's kind of the vibe. Yeah. What was it like when you were- I mean, he definitely thinks so. I feel like he would be like dressed up for that Zoom, you know? Are you picturing yourself?

No, I swear to you, he would be wearing like shorts and then a shirt. Yeah. That was the vibe. And so my mom was just finding finding it so funny and he'd show my mom like what do you think of this woman suzanne and what do you and she was like oh she looks lovely and i was just listening to these conversations and then anyway no he then obviously my mom started her treatment and he was like i'm definitely not dating or online dating anymore like it's just about that.

But anyway, so we live together in lockdown and this is kind of like, I feel like I went really deep on health and wellness during that time because my mom was so sick and she, she just taught me so much in that time, but she she was obviously really struggling she was having chemo every week normally you have it once a month she was having every week and she's just so strong so i was googling every possible thing that i could give her and i discovered chaga which was like i mean you can't say the claims because who really knows but i read that it was anti-cancer and it was just the new thing that so i'd be like you're saying that about a lot of mushrooms now it's crazy and i know you can't say it you know i'm saying it's anti-immunization you know lauren's i'm saying it

but i swear the it was just incredible and i think actually if you're gonna go down the mushroom and the chaga root i was brewing her homemade chaga like I would get the stones I don't know if you've seen like obviously you can get the powder add it in I was like doing back to basics because I thought that was the most potent thing so you have to brew it for hours so I would do this every day and literally spoon feed her and she would be like Bryonyony, I hate this. This tastes like shit. I'm like, mom, it's fine. So I'd add cacao to it, maple syrup. I'd try and make it a bit nicer. So I, and then I was researching like oregano oil, all these different things I could give her and try and then only organic cooking every single meal from scratch. And yeah, so that's

when I really went all in with health and wellness routine, everything. What is that like for your mental health to be in your house during COVID with both your parents, your mom has cancer and you're trying to help her? That's a lot of pressure. Yeah. So I, it was, it, I don't want to say it was so hard because it's like it was not about me it's about her but I found it so difficult to what I really wanted I wished I had it not her I just couldn't bear bear going through it with her so I kind of got or went through a period I don't want to say I got depression because I don't think I got depression but I went through a period of feeling a dark cloud on me like constantly. And I would just burst into tears. And I never cry. Like my boyfriend's seen me cry once. I never,

never cry. And I was just constantly crying. So weak, no energy. And so I was like, okay, I had this one weekend where I went to, so my mom has an apartment in London. It's probably like against the lockdown rules, but whatever. She had an apartment in London. So I said to, so my mom has an apartment in London. It's probably like against the lockdown rules, but whatever. She had an apartment in London. So I said to my dad, please, can you just go and stay at mom's? I just need to be alone for the whole weekend. And I was, it was like the lowest time ever. So I just stayed in bed all weekend, like literally didn't leave my bed.

All the curtains were closed, like just dark time. And I remember listening to a Jay Shetty podcast and it was like your mental health ingredients list or something along those lines. Like you have to write down what is going to make you feel good and what is going to get you through this time. So I wrote this like manically. I was like, okay, waking up early, doing this, doing that, hot and cold therapy, whatever. So meditation, Pilates, and then literally that next day, I just stuck to this routine every single day.

For how long? For the whole time, like kind of even until until now i think that time was interesting because i think people were struggling for an assortment of reasons yours yours is an extreme reason but i feel like people either went super into mental health and physical health or they went the other direction unfortunately and like i just said like fuck it let the wheels fall off yeah there was there was there was two camps yeah yeah i'm not saying that to make anybody feel bad. I just like it's in our case, same thing. It was like, okay, there's this is the time to get your health in order, right?

Like you had downtime. We just had a kid. But it was weird because it's almost like to your point, there was two camps. And if you were so health focused and then people you knew were focused in the other direction or just were putting that as like a non-priority anymore i feel like you got to see a lot of people go down the spiral and get unhappier yeah more stressed and more anxious and then the other people that kind of put the other stuff as a priority kind of went the other direction and got better after it yeah definitely like sometimes I honestly miss

it, which is such a weird thing to say, but I see that. I get what you're saying. By the end of it, I felt, I mean, I was ready obviously to come out of lockdown, but I felt I just had this new outlook on life. And actually my mom, watching my mom go through this, I think has given me this superpower where I just don't feel nerves like I used to, or nothing really scares me like it used to because nothing actually matters that much more than your health. Yeah. And I think that's so true. And taking it a step beyond that, when you see somebody you love that's sick so you have a kid or a parent or whatever it takes a lot to rattle you and other things that aren't as significant like for example yeah if I'm running a business but I've seen a parent get sick or a grandparent

die or my kid gets sick like somebody's saying hey the numbers are off or P&L or this person quit or this or like it doesn't it just is like, okay. Because comparing it against something that really matters, not saying the business doesn't matter. It's like water for ducks back. You're just more resilient to those things. You're just like, okay. You stay calm and you feel like you'll find a solution. Yeah. It's why I think it's good for people to go through. I mean, it's inevitable, but to go through a traumatic or terrible thing at some point because you develop, it puts things that maybe aren't as significant in perspective. Yeah. And it helps you focus on what's really important.

I really relate to you. I lost my mom at 18. And ever since then, I have that same mentality that you have where it's like, it's just not that big of a deal yeah nothing is a big deal and so when you can have that it is a superpower as hard as it is to go through it's like you really can sort of use it to your advantage yeah how is your mom today she's much better thank you yes she's doing much better so she's still eating her mushrooms no she's not i think that's the best part she's like i don't ever want to see those mushrooms ever again. But yeah, she's loads better. And actually, she's doing Pilates like seven days a week.

It's crazy. She had no strength whatsoever. So when she was doing her treatment, her bones were so sensitive. She couldn't like stand up off the floor kind of thing. And now she's like doing my challenges. And's just so honestly it's incredible and I feel like it is so healing movement in that kind of scenario like every day she would go she would force me to go with her for a walk for two hours every day and I'm like like, how do you have that drive, that energy? You could so easily say, I said to her, I was like, do you ever think why me? She was like, no, I never think why

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He just passed. And he was talking about, you know, know when he was young he lost a child to leukemia and all the terrible stuff but he was talking about self-pity when you're going through something terrible yeah and the inclination for many is to pity yourself and to feel sorry and be like why me i can't you know how could this happen to me and his point was like it's just such a useful or not useful a useless emotion it doesn't make you better it doesn't make you feel better it doesn't help those around you and so he was talking about how when you're going through something terrible no matter what it is like that self-pity is not going to

help you get out of whatever situation it's going to just make it worse and make you feel worse completely and I think self-pity like feeds itself doesn't it grows and it's kind of just this toxic disease in itself and yeah she definitely taught me I mean she would she would walk home from chemo she would do four hours of chemo and walk an hour and a half home straight from the hospital I'm just like it's amazing it's probably healing to be outside to walk to move I mean that's yeah exactly I mean it's very smart I think so so yeah you're right the self-pity I mean we all have those moments but I think yeah the the lesson that I've learned in all of that is that you just have to have resilience and mindset your mind is so incredibly powerful and it can't be kind of underestimated.

Totally agree with you. I have my mindset tapes that I listened to in the morning. Michael's like, what are you? I'm going to send you all of them. It's like, hold on. The latest one that I'm listening to. It is a little like, sometimes the voices are a little bit. I'm going to send them all to you.

No, no, no. This one, the latest that I'm listening to is Dissolving Barriers. Oh. Okay. And it's really good. Who's it by? It's by Louise Hay. I love Louise Hay.

Oh, I love Louise Hay. Yeah. Love. See? I read her books. Really saved me in that time. I keep telling everyone. I'm like, please just buy this $2 book.

I know. It's so healing. I think I read them all. Heal your life, heal your mind, heal your body. That's another thing. Whatever was healing, I was buying. When you're going through a tough time or you're feeling depressed, like reading is the best thing ever.

Yeah. And not because of many reasons people think. It's great to get the information, but I think what I found is reading is the only thing that's able to take me out of my own head and put me in somebody else's to get a different perspective because you're not yeah you know what i mean like if you're we're going through the day the mind is crazy and you're just thinking all your own thoughts but when you read you're thinking somebody else's thoughts and it helps you like literally if you're going to take your mind out of your own head and put it somewhere else you look outside yourself yeah and you kind of absorb all

of those thoughts and yeah it's so it's so good reading i think sometimes you meet people that don't read and i'm like oh you're missing out on so much such a big part you know what i call those people no michael donovan you're missing out on a huge part of life if you don't read i that's my i love it i stand by it sorry i think it's amazing yeah And there's so much, I mean, obviously you pay for books, but there's so much free content now that you can just, that we have access to. It's such a shame to not do that. I'm not going to say what I call those people, but it's not good. What point do you start aggressively posting on Instagram? And when you are having this low, where you're in this low where you're

in your bed, you're in your house, the curtains are closed. Did you have this idea conceptualized or was this something that you sort of just fell into naturally? So not at all. I, um, during COVID, I was just teaching friends on zoom, um, or FaceTime, whatever. We're kind of just like working out together. It wasn't like a thing. I wasn't saying, guys, I'm practicing. I'm going to be a teacher now. It wasn't like that at all. I think my mind was just completely on my mom and on health and wellness and just being strong, basically. So then we came out of lockdown. I think it was March 21. This is also quite funny. I was broke, like completely broke in lockdown right until I didn't teach my first online class until May 21 group class. I like that you're honest about this because so many people come on and they don't tell that part. No, I'll tell you so many things.

I was so broke. I went to go and get night nurse, which is basically like a night paracetamol. One night I had like a cold or whatever. This is just, just as we were going into lockdown and my card declined and it was like 699. I was really broke. I mean, luckily I have my parents to stay with and you know, and then the government was doing all these different grants and things, but because my business was so young, they weren't supporting, like it was under the, whatever the threshold was. So then they were giving me 400 pounds a month. That was the support. So I was like, okay, well, I'll take it. And then when we came out of lockdown, I was like, okay, I'm just going to slowly but surely start teaching people privately and be able to afford rent to move back to London

then the government called me and was like oh by the way we've just discovered you have a savings account that's just just over the threshold so we actually need you to pay all that money back oh god I know I and it was something like six thousand I like my world was over and this was 2021. I remember calling my mom. I was like, mom, the government called me. I owe them 6,000 pounds. I was on the phone to, I think it's HMRC. I was on the phone to them. I was going, so you're telling me I've been smart with my money and I've saved and you're punishing me. I really was so passionate about it. Anyway, so I had nothing. So I had to build from the ground up. Then I taught my first group class in May 21. So yeah, that was like not long ago. No, it wasn't long ago. And I think what's so impressive

is you're going from broke where you have to pay the government $6,000 to where you are now. I mean, there's a lot of hard work that's happened. What have you done? If someone's listening and they're in a position where they feel broke, they feel helpless. What you've done in the last three years is incredible. So talk to us about how you started, how you launched, the steps, all the tools that you've used to build up your business and yourself? So I started on Zoom, which is like the cost of a Zoom membership is nothing. I also had a booking system, which was 40 pounds a month. So I literally had that, my tripod and a mat. And I did all my classes from my kitchen floor because I had a studio apartment. So if you're in the fitness industry, there is no excuse not

to start. You can start from nothing and you can just gift your time. You could work a full-time job and then on Monday nights and Wednesday nights, do an hour class, get people to sign up, pay, and that can be your side hustle. And you can build up like that. I had 10 people in my first Zoom class. I was so nervous. I always say I felt like I was like going live in Wembley Arena. It was that serious, that first Zoom class. I was thinking, oh my God, I was like overthinking everything, checking everything. And then it just started to snowball and I gifted my time. So I gifted a couple of people. I remember Nadine Leopold was one of my first clients. She is the client that kind of turned things around for me.

I had met her briefly in passing once. She was a Victoria's Secret angel. She's just beautiful, such a nice person. And I taught her and i said please can i just teach you and you and you know she had nothing to lose so she for free you just said yeah yeah and then from then it snowballed so then i got her i i trained her sister-in-law jenna zoe who you guys have met yeah she came on the podcast you like jenna Yeah, I love Jenna. She's one of my best friends. Jenna then introduced me to Kenzie. Kenzie then, you know, it all has this knock-on effect.

And it can happen so quickly. Like if you're passionate and you're hardworking and you have a good product or your service, whatever you're doing, it can happen so quickly, this snowball effect. So then people were sharing. And I think I'm lucky that Pilates is a bit of a trend. So people want to post them doing Pilates in the morning. And then my Zoom classes were 100 people every time consistently.

Wow. So then I was like, okay. Because I remember joining some Zooms in lockdown of other trainers and them, because I love business. My mind is so business focused so I joined this Pilates class and this girl had like 60 people and I was thinking wow like this is a real business she's she's doing so then I was getting 100 and then I thought okay I need to do

a January challenge because January is the time to really capture everyone's attention, really go all in. So I was on holiday with my mom actually. And I said to her, and I was doing well because I had private clients and I had the Zoom and I would only take a private client on if they did 10 sessions a month. I wouldn't do any less. Smart. Because I thought I want quality over quantity. If they do 10 sessions with me a month, their bodies will completely change. So I was training people that had just had a baby and then all of a sudden they had the best bodies of their life. And it just really, really quickly kind of gained traction. It was just so exciting. So then I thought, okay, I'm going to do this January challenge and I'm going to charge a lot of money, I'm going to do this January challenge and I'm going to

charge a lot of money because I'm going to do five live classes on Zoom a week. So it was like 25 for the whole month. And I charged 200 pounds. So I thought if I can just get a hundred people to do this, then, you know, that's, that's a really good amount of of money for the month it's a good amount of people sharing each day or whatever and then i had 550 people sign up so i was like okay this is this is great i've gone from being completely broke to making like a more than i've ever made in a whole year ever like times five in one month you can pay the government back yeah so um so then i was like wow and then it got it got so crazy bearing in mind i was doing so i was doing it live but then recording at the same time then uploading it to vimeo.com doing like a it was so manual i had

to manually enter everyone's email because the systems weren't set up for this type of thing. It was a mess because the booking system wasn't linked to Vimeo. So then more and more people were signing up, paying 200 for two weeks into the challenge. So I'm like, guys, there's no point in signing up. I remember because I couldn't do it. I couldn't do more than I was doing I remember posting like wait for the next one like there's no point signing up now people were still signing up so it was just like the power of Instagram and word of mouth and then people with and I was just going to do the January challenge and didn't really know what else to do after that and then people were saying well what's

the February challenge I was thinking what's the February challenge I don't know I don't know but it's gonna be something so then I created this like love Pilates challenge two weeks to love Pilates so then did that and then I had even more people sign up then I did a March challenge and then I'm like okay they're gonna get start getting like a bit of fatigue here. So I need to do an app. So then in March, I recorded 50 classes. Because I was like, I don't have time to waste here. I need to get on this. How long does that take you?

How many days? Well, it took the whole month. But I would do like crazy filming days where I do eight classes in one day. Is your body dead after that? Yeah. I was so tired. It was, and I had all my private clients at the same time all the people doing 10 a month so I'm like I've just told them they have to do 10 a month that's a lot of working out so I honestly was so burnt out but I'm so I'm the kind of person that's so fueled by doing what I love so I was

like I don't care if I'm doing all hours of the day and then I launched the app in the summer of 21 so so what's that probably July 2021 yeah because then it takes time to then go to Apple and then do all these different things and build the app and then yeah and then the app's done so well so it's just it's just been from literally nothing and and everyone I I talk to that wants to kind of get into this I'm like listen if you are in the fitness industry we're so lucky we can do this like you can easily do this if you're if you're passionate and you're good at what you do you're you're a likable person you really believe in it then you can make a really good living i think a lot of people want to just be forever students they want to just keep asking questions and reaching out to people through dms

and reading the books and some will want to go back to school whatever it is yeah sometimes you just got to throw it to the fucking wall and just let it fly and let it rip. A hundred percent. And who, like I read this thing, I think it was from the Shopify CEO, I want to say that failure is just the discovery of something that didn't work. Exactly. So just go for it and see, you know, try it, test it. My testing was Zoom and then it built up. You know, I wouldn't just go straight into an app. Do what you can and do it now. Part of what I like doing about this,

like part of what the things about this show is, I think we try to indirectly show how many people have come on with not your story, but a similar story was like, there is no credentials there's no permission there's really not an expertise it's just people that decided to do something without permission yeah and take the leap and chance and how many people have become successful from this even if you look at this podcast like same thing like lauren and i just

started doing this out of our living room did you like that's it it was just like we bought some shitty equipment and a mic and we started talking and it was terrible in the beginning. And probably eight people. Do you still have that? The first one? No, we still have it. It's still, if you go to YouTube, it's on YouTube.

If you search our first episode, you'll see it. It's a disaster. We're literally just sitting in our kitchen. But my point is, is like when I go around and I talk now at conferences or Lauren or we get asked to speak places, there was not like, hey, I studied this and then read this book and did this. I sure have done that along the way, but it was literally like, we just started doing something. It was not great in the beginning. Eight people listened. It snowballed. Now we have this show and a bunch of other shows and a

business. But the point is, I think so many people to lauren's point is just they just want to learn and study and go to school no they're using the no they're using the studying and the forever student as an excuse not to execute yeah or not just they could be you know i don't want to say the word lazy but it's it's sometimes it can be like lack of confidence which i which i definitely had you know maybe a little bit of laziness lack of discipline and i think you have to have a lot of discipline people say this motivation thing all the time like how do you feel motivated i don't always feel motivated but i have discipline i have drive and determination and i'll just you have to do hard things sometimes yeah i also think you have to look at the long-term vision.

So when you wake up every single day, if you don't feel motivated, at least you can look towards your compass of the long-term vision to be like, okay, I still have to put the work in because I'm still chipping away towards the long-term vision. When you have that long-term vision, it's really helpful in the micro moments during a random Tuesday where you just don't feel like doing anything. Yeah. It helps the perspective.

The problem I have with like the whole manifesting thing is like, to your point, you can't just put it out there and, oh, it might happen. Like you say, you have to chip away at it every single day and do small actionable steps to get to that. You can't just say, oh, I want to put it out there. You could be the smartest, most educated, most credentialed person in the world. And somebody with none of those credentials and none of that education can come and eat your lunch by just taking action. And I think that's what I try to tell people all the time. We just got asked to speak

at a nice school out here, a school that would have just thrown my application in the trash. And it wasn't lost on me. And I was sitting there like, all these kids are sitting here and they spent all this money and they're trying to learn this thing. And then they have some dumbo like me come in who's like, never would have gone to that school, never got in. I just went and did something. And I'm not saying that to brag. No, but it's so inspiring. What I wanted to tell them was like, hey, of course, finish your education and do that, especially if you paid. But the biggest thing after this is go take the actionable step to go and do something. Nobody's going to teach your way into success.

Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And I think actually some people are really not suited to the education. I actually went to university part part time so I could work full time. And so I have a degree. I couldn't. I was talking with my boyfriend last night about this. I couldn't tell you one thing I learned. I'm the same way. You and I are the same.

I'm just like. Not one thing. Like unless I wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer, like education after school was just really not for me in that sense but I'm I'm so curious to learn every day in like reading and podcasts and speaking to people and being around inspiring people but sitting in a classroom I was just like really bad in school really really bad that made it focus all three of us yeah yeah and by the way if you're good at school that that's amazing yeah it's just like school is definitely not for everyone it's just not the way some of us learn and it also doesn't shape your future no no and i've said i think some

of the difficulty with school and the academics sometimes get really frustrated with me saying this but school teaches you to either pass or fail and get a score and if you don't get a great score it's a failure if you do it's a pass and I think what people don't realize is like in a career in an entrepreneurial endeavor like it's mostly fail until you get the path it's like and you have to be okay saying like the failure is a good thing actually that makes you perfect and tweak the product at the end totally so it's like fine you're gonna have daily failures but it's it's coming back from those and being like okay well maybe we'll go down this route then or that was good to know we'll do something different and and that's fine but if you're taught that failure is a bad thing

and then you start something and it doesn't go right the first time, which 99.9% won't, and you're looking like, oh, this is bad, I'm a failure. And that's kind of the system you've come up in for 20 years. I think it's really hard to break out of that mindset. Where for me, I was always such a fuck up in school that it was like, that's just that's the norm you know what I mean yeah and I bet no one that meets you too believes that they're just like how

did you achieve this without you know but yeah it just goes to show doesn't it I have to ask you the queen of Pilates what is the difference between Matt and Reformer you mentioned that in 10 sessions people would see their body completely transformed. Talk to us a little bit more about that and what the transformation is coming from. So just to not go too deep and bore you, but you also have, you don't just have Matt and Reformer, you have classical and contemporary. And which are you? I'm classically trained, but my method is classical and contemporary, which doesn't really exist because the Pilates world is a little bit, you know, kind of like in ballet,

I guess. I can't speak for ballet. I don't want to offend anyone that's into ballet, but how it's a bit more snobby, like, oh, well, you don't mix contemporary. I think the results come from that combination. So classical is basically a repertoire designed by Joseph Pilates, who's a German anatomist, who is incredible. He's honestly just like a, he's just the most creative with the body person ever. And he created this repertoire, but it's so boring after a while. But your body feels amazing. It feels so strong. Your spine is so healthy. He always says you're only as young as your spine is. So if you're super stiff or whatever, but after a while, you will get so bored. And you also get incredible results from the burn of contemporary Pilates and the pulses and the, you know, that shape.

So you mix it together. So I mix it together. So I'll flow from a real staple classical move straight into a contemporary burn. So I think that's what makes the classes so hard. They are really hard classes. Are you going to do Pilates with me? Do I need a machine or is this not a machine?

Guys, I would die to teach you to. My boyfriend is obsessed with the gym. Why don't you teach us Pilates in St. Barts? Yes, done. We'll do that. Is it a machine thing? No, no, no. Say yes.

Let her teach us Pilates. I will try it. I'm not saying it's going to be pretty. Well, don't come in your fucking skirt kilts that you wear. Because no one wants to see your balls floating in that weird position you'd be surprised no we'll do that definitely we want to learn pilates from you in the same parts with like a mat i want the bands we will do the whole thing wait hold on just for the for the uninitiated myself the uneducated this is not something where

you need one of those crazy machines with like ropes on the scene which is also amazing but i think there's a confusion between a classical reformer class versus a legree class legree is not pilates did i do legree one time with you so like a mega former and agree that's not technically pilates you'll have an amazing workout but technically it's different you know what lauren is probably sitting there thinking oh i think it is but i've been i've been doing weightlifting for so long and all the other stuff but i was thinking i'm like people that do pilates like yourself the core is so strong and as i get older i want the back to be really strong and like i'm carrying all these kids also we weightlift and so it's a perfect yin and yang this is why I'm excited

to train you because I'm gonna correct your body so you're gonna get 10 times more out of your weight training it makes a ton of sense

when you say when I think about it like that I'm not like oh Pilates I think a lot of men are maybe resistant I'm signing up for the app the second you leave

I'm so excited I'm signing up for the app and I want a Pilates class yeah 100% i would get torn apart if i don't switch to beauty routines morning i think people are gonna like like kill me but i'm into the pilates yeah we're doing that you're in a whole team to that yeah because i like the idea of strengthening the core and i cannot wait i promise you and your weight training you're gonna feel incredible the difference you're gonna be surprised when i'm gonna bring the kilt we need the kilt no the kilt is too much it's like this I promise you and your weight training, you're going to feel incredible. The difference. You're going to be surprised. We're going to bring the kilt.

We need the kilt. No, the kilt is too much. It's like this weird, creepy kilt. Like, why do you wear a kilt? I don't wear a fucking kilt. What are you talking about? It's horrific. Hold on. What kilt are you discussing?

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And that probably comes from the boyfriend that always wants to go out. But I think it's at a healthy level. So my morning routine is basically I wake up at six. I have to have a very slow morning. And this, can I just say, this is, this, what I'm about to say is not going to be groundbreaking. You've probably, there's probably so many people rolling their eyes and it's going to sound wanky and very luxurious. We love wanky. But I, the, I have to do it because I have the arthritis and I want to be strong in my body and feel good. So this is kind of what I'm lucky enough to do every morning. So wake up early, have a slow start, make my matcha, cloudcha, matcha, by the way. I sit there, I do the whole process of making the matcha at 80 degrees Celsius.

I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit. Carson, look it up. Anyway, so it has to be 80 degrees, by the way. If you go high, you're going to burn the matcha. It's not going to taste good, and it's not going to have the health benefits. I'd love a matcha when I wake up. 176, you're pretty close. Okay, and just a pause.

I actually am going to ask you, because we didn't bring the matcha here today, but I'm going to ask you to, when't bring the matcha here today but i'm going to ask you to when you go home to film an instagram story that's like a minute that i can put on my instagram and skinny confidential podcast so people can go watch exactly how you make the matcha every time people come on we give them like six jobs i'm gonna make this we'll send you okay so i make my matcha and i really just sit there and just sit in silence I actually have a list. I'm not joking. We'll send you. I actually swear I have a list. That's so sweet. Okay. So I make my matcha and I really just sit there and just sit in silence.

No one else is awake. I'm sitting there. It is so quiet. If you try and talk to me earlier, it's just not going to, you're not going to get anything out of me. So I sit there, have my moment.

I love writing. So again, I know it's a cliche thing. Everyone's journaling now. I love writing so again I know it's a cliche thing everyone's journaling now I love writing everything everything I visualize I do I practice a lot of visualization but so I'll think every every minute of something I have to do through in my head and I'll also write it so I'll do like a whole journaling thing I meditate sometimes if I can Sometimes if I can't meditate, I'll do like breath work after my workout, which you guys have to get into that. It's so good to just put your body straight into recovery. So you work out and then you do breath work? No. So in the morning after my match or I'll

do some sort of like mindfulness practice. But if I haven't meditated, I'll definitely breath work after my workout. What's the breath work? So I have breath work on my app. This guy, Jamie, he is incredible. What kind of breath work is it? Is it like box breathing? Is it like a Wim Hof style? He does every time.

He covers it all. So tomorrow morning, this bitch is going to be making his matcha at 80 degrees, journaling, doing his fucking box breathing. And I'm going to be like, oh. I do Wim hoff breathing before meditation in front of my juve red light that's what i do i don't want to picture that either that's enough i don't know what there's there's no there's no kill yeah i just i listen there's nobody around i'll have to creep down i didn't know you did okay go on so you're doing your

breath work by jamie in the app yes exactlyally I'll do a sound bath, but that's more in the evening. But I have to do some sort of like mindfulness practice in the day. What else am I missing out? Oh, before my matcha, I'll take my probiotic. I take Simprove. I'm not sure if you have that here, but it's a liquid probiotic in the morning. So I'll do that first thing, then wait 10 minutes, then have my match then have my matcha then if it's really healthy and really good they don't let us have us we don't get it in america we don't get anything like not for you guys

um and then i will do a workout and then i'll do my sauna infrared, 20 minutes at 70 degrees Celsius. Again, I'm not sure. I guess that's like 160-ish, but 20 minutes. And then I will jump in the ice bath. And I swear to you, I have no arthritis symptoms. That's pretty cool. So you have this morning that really supports you not having the arthritis. Do you think that's the cold or the hot or the combination? I think it's mostly the infrared sauna because too much cold, it gets worse. But I think the contrast therapy really helps. What do you do in the ice bath? Do you go in for a minute?

Do you go in for five minutes? What do you do? I don't time myself because it totally depends on the day. Like sometimes I'll get instant pain in my feet from the arthritis. So I'm like, okay, like I can, I'll just do what I can tolerate. That makes sense. But yeah, I'll do that pretty much six days a week. I have a weird question. I've never asked anyone this, but I feel like you're the perfect person to ask. What do you do with the hair in the ice bath? Are you dunking your head or are you putting a shower cap no but what i do do i just pin it on my head but every time i wash my so then after the infrared oh before that

i dry brush so dry brush infrared sauna ice bath dry brush and i'm obsessed with the spoon by the way oh thank you i know you oh hang on the biggest part of my morning routine to mention is the ice roller. I swear, guys, I use the ice roller every day. I have it here. I've done it twice today, which is quite weird. It must feel good maybe on your arthritis or your inflammation. It feels so good on, well, I think it's helped with my acne. Oh, yeah.

For sure. For sure. Well, I think it's helped with my acne. Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. For sure. Well, I think two things have really helped. I have two or three matches every day, which is really high in vitamin C and E. No coffee. Never any coffee. It gives me too many jitters. If I had one espresso, I would be awake all night.

I just can't. Your boyfriend has 40 and he's like asleep. Yeah, but some people can process caffeine better. He once, recently, he asked me to go and get his double espresso. He asked for two double espressos in one thing. That's out of control. It's wild. And he's the most mellow guy you've ever met in your life.

I would be bouncing off the walls. Some people's genetics allow them to process caffeine in a different way. It's crazy. But the matcha has L-theanine. That's why it levels you out. So that helps acne. walls yeah some people's genetics allow them to process caffeine in a it's crazy but that the matcha has l-theanine that's why it so that helps acne and then you said what else and the ice roller i think where i do i do my skincare opens my pores then i do the ice roller closes my pores huh so i'm sure it's helped with bringing down the inflammation your content that you filmed of the body sculptor was the most beautiful

aesthetically pleasing but also just like your body from pilates with the with the sculptor was just like i loved it oh that's so sweet well it's an incredible product like you've done it you've done it so well everything you guys do is good so so you do your cold plunge do the cold plunge oh the shower oh yeah tell us about the hair then i go into the shower do quick warm shower and then i always finish on cold but i put my head if i'm washing my hair i always put my head under the cold water for a long time it's good for your scalp makes it it so shiny. I wash my hair like once a year. But when I do wash it, I put it under the cold. I don't think people realize how beneficial it is to heat your body up and then cool it down, heat it up, cool it down, and then let it heat itself back up on its own after getting out of

the cold. Like that has to be good, not only for the pores, but your entire lymph system, like your entire muscular structure, everything. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's incredible. And it also just makes you feel amazing. You're on such a high for the rest of the day. So then after that, I will get ready and go into the office. I don't eat breakfast because I did not because I'm fasting. If I felt hungry, I would eat breakfast earlier. If I'm really hungry, I eat. But if I'm not hungry, I'm just like this morning. I had an

early breakfast because I woke up hungry. Normally, I don. But if I'm not hungry, I'm just like, like this morning I had an early breakfast because I woke up hungry. Normally I don't get hungry till about half ten, eleven. And night. Tell us. And then nighttime I will do. I'm like a big, warm person at night. So I love to have an Epsom salt bath. That is incredible for any inflammation or pain or anything.

I swear by that. Again, I'll do the dry brushing before that bath. That's my dream. Yeah, that would be really cute for you to do. I'm sorry. It's so ugly. It's the why's I know cute. I know.

Yeah, so true. Go on. Anyway, so I'll have a bath. I have this CBD body oil, which I use afterwards. And I'll have like a bedtime tea or something like that and i have a hot water bottle every single night on my stomach water bottle on your stomach yeah it's like it's like a heavy the red ones like the old cartoon red ones like what an old lady would have yeah on your instagram story yeah it is and i actually read something today about how

that just soothes your nervous system i feel so comforted by this hot water bottle. It must be like a weighted blanket a little bit. Yeah, it is. You have to send me the link to it. It's not like an actual water bottle, though. It's like the, like that, like it's like. No, it's not. It's like a flat, like rubber thing that you fill up.

Yeah, it's like the one the cartoon dog used to wear in the snow. I'm going to, I trained Michael so well. He's not allowed to turn a light on. He's not, he's like falls or knocks his water bottle. We're over, we're moving on from that. I'm going to have my water bottle. I mean, you have to make, that's like the nicest thing. That's like the one thing that my boyfriend does for the day.

Like he'll make the hot water. He does that every night. You make the coffee in the morning. You have to do the night time. I want the matcha. I'd like a matcha that you actually physically whisk. She's going to show you how to make it. All right. Thanks for coming on the show. And then I want to end with I'd like a matcha that you actually physically whisk she's going to show you how to make it alright thanks for coming

on the show and then I want to end with the hot water bottle and then I'm not being funny and then the supplements magnesium 5-HTP

CBD I'm a bit magnesium is a must I have that every day oh creatine I take this in the morning as well oh that's good

I want you to talk about creatine because so many women are scared of the morning as well. I got a good one for you. Oh, that's good that you, I want you to talk about creatine because so many women are scared of creatine. Quickly though, I do have a good one for you if you're taking, instead of taking the 5-HTP. Yeah.

If you did the L-theanine, the magnesium, and then there's something called apigenin. Okay. And if you take that combination together, you'll sleep all night

consistently. And that's something about the 5-HTP. I think that's good when you're getting sick. Okay. But sometimes, if you ever like-htp i think that's good when you're getting sick okay sometimes you ever like wake up in the middle of the night you're like oh why am i awake like sometimes i think but the apigenin will keep you sleeping with that because you're taking all the other stuff and what i i've been interested in taking l-theanine on its own because

i'm i want to see what it's like without the match obviously i'm having it throughout the day but i have another one for you if you take gaba at night gaba i love with the l-theanine and glycine two two grams of glycine you'll sleep okay but how many things am i because i'm all about now now i'm like obsessed with blue zones they're trying to simplify my there is a company called momentous moment which does it's a sleep. And he just creates these sleep packs. It is genius. And it has the three, it has three things of magnesium, L-theanine, and the apigenin. And one of you just. Oh, perfect.

Okay, I'm going to do that. You don't have the headache of like buying 18 things. Oh, I love this. I'm going to do that as soon as I. Okay, go back on the routine. We don't need to hear your routine. We know your routine. Same, people are going to love it.

I'm telling you. Creatine. So I have been taking creatine now for a few months and it's incredible. I love it too. Honestly, I think everyone should take it, especially if you are vegan. It's crazy because it's one of the one supplements that everyone probably should take, but people are scared of it. Women are scared of it. I take it every time I work out. I love it. Every time. because they're scared of bloating and getting water weight but i promise you if that happens to you it's a short-term thing but i don't even think it would

happen like you could also put it in your matcha because it doesn't taste yeah anything i add it i like to have it with fruit because it makes the creatine you it makes the uptake in creatine higher oh so if you add it like i have it with my shake which i put a banana people think it makes you bloated though because so men and weightlifters have been taking creatine for like i mean i've been taking creatine since i was 12 years old pretty much like it's just like a thing that guys know about but a lot of guys that were in bodybuilding would take like 20 30 grams of it a day and then they would get that of course yeah people think like they're gonna blow but if you just take five yeah five grams that's what i do and also it just makes you it makes you so like on it with the performance. It changed my body.

I feel like it tightens the muscle to the skin. It really does, yeah. It's very good for your sleep and for your brain too. It's one of the most studied supplements. Yeah, it is. It's amazing. I don't know why. And I think L-theanine is going to have a big moment soon.

Michael's going to say it's because of him. Are you still having your raw milk, by the way? I have my raw milk and I have it in my matcha. Keep that on the down low. People are getting in trouble for that raw milk. I'm going to make your matcha your raw milk by the way i have my raw milk and i have it in my matcha down low the you know people are getting trouble i'm gonna make your matcha with people come for you i don't care no no not that i'm talking about like the authorities like i'm telling you anytime we find out something's good for us in america they're like hey everyone has all these problems with their stomach from dairy and it's because dare i say i've talked to a lot of people scientists doctors all the things behind the scenes.

It's because you need to go back to raw milk. Don't quote me on this, but I do an inch in my coffee, and I probably do a half an inch in the matcha, broth it up, but you're going to tell me I need to do this thing. You've got to show me how to do that. I'm going to show you the whole thing. Yeah, and I'll put my raw milk, but then the rest is water. But it's true, i think i think with milk people that's like the

one thing that people are consuming throughout the day that can really fuck with your insides whether it's cow's milk or plant-based milk there are so many bad plant milks out there it is crazy that's like here's why i stopped with a lot of plant milk i found that it could just be one ingredient or two ingredients yeah the almonds are sprayed with a lot of pesticides yeah and now so you're so it says only glyphosate yeah so you're you're consuming all that and i have to tell you i have lost weight drinking raw milk because i use it as a like a pre-workout yeah it's like the mixed with the coffee or the matcha it like gives you like a high because you get the caffeine and then you also get the protein and a little bit of carb

and how does it taste it's delicious it's like you know creamy like it's so good. Think about it like this. I'm going to send you guys. A cow? No. A cow for your garden. You can be milking your cow every day. I'm going to send you guys this milk that I've just invested in because I think you would love it. I would love to try it. What's it called?

It's called Koji. And it has a, so it's a prebiotic naturally because it's got a fermented product from Japan inside sounds perfect a natural product but it's sweet your kids would love it

I'd love to try it it's unreal clean but I think you're right with the milk it completely messes with people's insides

and hormones and spots and everything you can't say anything about milk on the internet but think about this I'm not going to talk about milk

but if you think about like milk and meat and all these things that people get so riled up and enraged about i was like the way that all of our ancestors survived for thousands and thousands of years before we were here is like they had to have these things like there was no there was no other alternatives right like this is like if you were living on a farm kind of yeah and i just find it hard to believe that raw milk is this terrible thing where like they didn't have pasteurization a thousand years ago. They had to drink the raw milk and it was fine. And that's how they sustain themselves. So I have, I find myself going back to all these things. Like if it existed 500 years ago and

people were doing it, it's probably okay, but who knows what kind of things we're doing to foods now and that's the kind of stuff i stay away from but then play and i agree with you but playing devil's advocate people would say to the likes of me and you well why do you have to take supplements they didn't have supplements back then sure because they were but they were eating they were getting most of their supplements from the food yeah and the ground was mineralized yeah food um yeah i just but i agree i think there's actually going to be such a shift now back to basics it's so interesting isn't it everyone's vegan my god i know and now i'm i'm like loving eating mints my best friend faith i'm calling you out who was like vegan vegan vegan vegan text me yesterday and goes, what are the beef sticks that you eat?

And I was like, what the fuck? By the way, they are paleo valley beef sticks. They are so good. And they're like 10 grams of protein. But it's just so interesting how it like shifts. We got a lot of people that were in that world that behind the scenes are like, yo, where do you get that meat?

Oh, don't worry, I won't out you. But it's like the black market. Can we do a code on your app? Yes, for sure. So we can do, I can give a free month for everyone with code skinny. And with Cloucher, the matcher company, we can give 10% off everything. Clouchermatcher.com. It just launched.

It's really cute. Yeah, I'm so sad you didnamacha.com. It just launched. It's really cute. Yeah, I'm so sad you didn't get the products. It's okay. We're going to have you make it on my Instagram story so everyone can see it. You guys will put it up with this episode. And so tell us where they can find your app, your Instagram.

Tell us all the things. My Instagram is brinydeary. Then the app's Instagram is pilatesbybriny. We have cloudch matcha on instagram that's the at cloud chair matcha the app is you can get it on the ios store pilates by briny you can get it on what's the other one android nearly as soon to be a tv app and then cloud chair is just cloud chair matcha.com. Can we do a giveaway? Sure. Okay. What do you want to give away? A free year and all the equipment. A free year,

all the equipment. You guys, all you have to do is go follow. Briny Dairy. And let me know on my latest post at Lauren Bostic what your favorite takeaway of this episode was. I have to ask you, did your mom make up your name because I made up Zaza's name kind of and I just no name is so unique oh thank you I've been called everything in America since I've been here Brianna Brian E yeah but it is it's in English it's I think it's Irish but I'm not Irish so there's just she just liked the name it's very pretty thank you um you guys I loved this episode thank you so much for coming on come back on i can't wait to do thank you thanks for having me with you i i need

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