The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Countess LuAnn de Lesseps Gets Real About RHONY, Enjoying Life Unapologetically, & Life As A Cabaret Star

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

#887: Join us as we sit down with LuAnn de Lesseps –  famously known as the “Countess LuAnn,” a television personality, singer, actress, & author best known as an original cast member of The Real Housewives of New York City. From her early days as a model living in Switzerland to pop-culture stardom, & now taking the world by storm as a cabaret star, LuAnn has built a dynamic career unlike any other. In this episode, LuAnn gets candid about iconic Housewives moments, her creative process behind the Cabaret Tour – Marry F Kill, life as a Countess, & the unforgettable experiences that shaped her journey.  To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To connect with LuAnn de Lesseps click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode. Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone]. To purchase tickets for LuAnn de Lesseps ‘Marry F Kill’ Cabaret Tour visit http://CountessLuann.com. Visit istandwithmypack.org to support I Stand With My Pack’s (ISWMP) mission by donating or adopting. Every contribution helps! This episode is sponsored by Cymbiotika Go to http://Cymbiotika.com/TSC today to get 20% off plus free shipping. This episode is sponsored by Fatty15 Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to http://fatty15.com/SKINNY and using code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is sponsored by Prolon For a limited time, Prolon is offering listeners 15% off sitewide plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their 5-Day Program! Just visit http://ProlonLife.com/SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by 7Diamonds Use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order at http://7Diamonds.com. This episode is sponsored by Arrae Go to http://arrae.com and use code 'SKINNY15' at checkout to receive 15% off your first purchase or autoship order. This episode is sponsored by Caraway Visit http://Carawayhome.com/TSC10 or use code TSC10 at checkout to take take an additional 10% off your next purchase. This episode is sponsored by Everyday Dose Visit http://everydaydose.com/SKINNY for more details. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Luann, one of my favorite housewives of all time I am so. such a connoisseur. You have range. You have song. You have showmanship. You really are. Clearly style. Style. Mir Sibuku. I am so excited to have you on the show. We've been doing the show for 10 years and I've wanted you on for all 10. Oh my God. What took you so long? We've been calling and calling. You're people over there. Didn't get back to us. I'm all who do I have to fuck Mary Kill? Who do you have to have Mary Kill? It's right. I love that song. I want to talk before we get into all the things you're doing about the Switzerland of it all. Okay.

I don't think that that's focused on enough. And I, as a viewer, found that so interesting to hear you talk about that on other podcasts. I've listened to you on Juicy Scoop, not skinny, not fat. Talk to us about your life like before housewives in Switzerland. Well, let's see. Oh my gosh. So the girls always refer to me as Switzerland because I never took sides. I tried not to take sides because you know what happens to that.

the messenger gets killed, right? Yes. It's like walking a tightrope. Yeah. You don't want to go far to the left, to the right? You're going to fall, right? See, it's that fine line, right? And so I think that comes from growing up in a big family.

My parents are Canadian. I have six brothers and sisters. And so, you know, Switzerland is always, I had to manage people in my whole life, right? Brothers and sisters getting what you want from them without pissing them off. you know so so switzerland comes from that and it comes from the time that i spent in switzerland because listen i've been in television since let's see when did i start in tv and italy in 1990 and i was living in milan so i speak italian i stayed i went for three weeks and i stayed for three years wound up as a host on a soccer show which is huge and then i went skiing in switzerland

and i met the love of my life and we got married two weeks later how does he approach you You guys know true love. Yeah. Because you've been together forever, right? A long time. Long time. Does he walk up to you at a bar? Like, what's the vibe?

No, no, it was a very seated dinner party with candelabras, a gorgeous table with cutlery that you had to navigate, right? You start from the outside and work your way in. And I was just watching the hostess like, okay, what do I put? Which fork or a spoon do I pick up her? It was a beautiful dinner partner. I was seated between Alex. his brother Ferdinand. You know, I don't know, do you know the history of the devil's up at all? Give us a little history. So I'm sitting between the two brothers. So their father

was ambassador to Monaco for 40 years, right, with Prince Renier. So they, you know, they've been to Monaco, they know Grace, they know Albert and Stephanie and Caroline and all them. Anyway, so how they got a title is they were responsible really for the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal. And then they actually were so important in France that they gave the Statue of Liberty to the United States for the French. So Ferdin and Delisps handed over the Statue of Liberty to this country, right? I did not know. That's cool. Where the Delisps come from. I didn't pick it out of Crocker's Xbox. My, you know, it wasn't like a lucky, a lucky toy. I'm not lucky charm. Right. So, so that,

therefore, the countess, which, you know, of course, is being like a Getty or being a Kennedy in France. Anyway, so I'm saying between them, I don't know who they are. I have no idea. What is the countess? I'm like Count Dracula, like that kind. I knew when I saw him that he was going to be my husband. And apparently he knew too

because he said to me, the second time I saw him, we went skiing the first day, and then we saw each other at a party, and there were other people around. He come up to me, he comes up to me, and he goes, you know you're going to be the mother of my children.

You know that, right? And I said, I know. And he goes, but I really never wanted to get married again. And I said, because he's been married three times before he married me, and he's never been married again since he married me. So he goes, I'm never going to get married again.

Well, how's that going to happen? Anyway, and I said to him, do I look desperate to you? I was like an Italian TV star at the time. And so, you know, I knew if I left him, I would lose him. So I left my career in Italian television to marry him. And Victoria Noel came about very quickly after that. and yeah so and we were married for 17 years are you guys oh yeah so I'm keeping the title

keep the title keep the title yeah I feel like at least a decade in you get a title for life yeah you get to keep the title after 10 years and you know what he the accountant will always say to me you know you always be my countess and that's true because he never did remarry now I had a little blip in the screen and we're not going to make this about tom are we Lauren we well I have a couple Tom questions oh shit I knew it Michael's like Michael you don't lie though Michael does peripheral housewise I'm gonna keep up I've seen New York is my favorite one I watch you know like there's a lot of them and I watched

I watched you guys the whole time I feel like I've seen every episode it was so good because it was just we were just living our lives and we had a lot going on between you know all the different characters you know it felt like you didn't need to force anything with you guys like it was it was actually all produced let's put it that way sure it's produced and edited, but, you know, what happens in scene, it's not scripted, obviously, but we just all had, you know, different personalities to bring to the table, and we all end up, you know, it's like that sex in the city moment or desperate housewives moment, you know what I mean? When it works, just works. And we were really friends, you know, and I think that makes a big difference with

franchises, whether or not, you know, they're thrown together and or they actually are friends. And I think that's what makes the big difference in the housewives. It didn't feel forced at all, but very natural, felt like everything was really going on. Thank you for your commentary, Michael. Let me tell you what happened on the show. Wait, I have to know this, though. How long were you guys living in Switzerland? How long were you raising your kids there from when you came to New York City?

That's a great question. Most people don't ask me that. So I was gone for over a decade. Like, I was in Europe for 12 years. Now, we had a house in the Hamptons for the summer. So we built the home, and we were only there, like, July and August. And then we go back to Europe. Since, you know, 1993, Victoria was born in 94, so, and Noel was born in 96.

They're like 22 months apart. So we had children quickly. We lived between Switzerland and Hamptons, and that was our life. That's kind of the dream what you were living. Oh, it was a dream. I was like Cinderella. So what makes you want to move here? Like for good?

Well, because, you know, I worked in it. I've been working since I'm a kid. Since I'm a teenager, I was doing dishes in a restroom. that's how I became a geriatric nurse because I love the elderly. So that's why I became a nurse because I just love them. And then I got scouted to be a model in New York as a nurse at a beauty pageant, Miss Connecticut beauty pageant, random. And so I took them up on it.

I moved to New York after being cheated on by my boyfriend at the time. That's a whole nother story. Big mistake. You know, heartbreak and love makes you do crazy things, right? So I think we move for love and we move for heartbreak. and he broke my heart. So I said, you know what? I'm going to go to New York.

So I moved to New York. And then all the models were going, Milan, in Paris. And I'm like, I want to go there. So I saved my money, and I moved to Milan. It was really hard. And I didn't make it as a model because it was like the waify period of Cape Moss, the 90s,

like odd-looking, really thin. I was like, they're like, lose 20 pounds and call us back, you know. So I couldn't make money there, so I found television. I found television, and they love Americans in Italian television. You know, there's a lot of showgirls in Italian television. You ever watch Italian television? There's showgirls everywhere. And I love that.

I'm a showgirl. You know, and that's where I learned that I love television because I was done pounding the pavement, you know, trying to make money as a model. How did you have this, like, resourcefulness and resilience and independence at such a young age? Curiosity. I was curious. I was like a sponge. And I am like that, like with music.

You know, I love languages. I speak four languages, you know, French, Italian, Spanish, and English. And I have a musical ear, so I love music. I can remember song lyrics, languages. And I love the culture. I fell in love with Italian people because of their love of life, first of all. Their love of food and espressoes. Yeah.

Okay. And they're sexy. So I fell in love with the culture. It's interesting you mentioned that because obviously we prep for these shows and we have mutual friends. And one of the big themes with you is that you seem to really love and enjoy life through all of life.

Ups and down. We all have our ups and downs, sure. But, you know, what happens when you fall down? I fill down and I get up on the cabaret stage. It was scariest shit. I mean, I was scared to death. And it was being filmed for Bravo as well. But what people don't see on that,

for example, that episode or season, the famous Giovanni season, right, is what I really do because they don't have music rights. They're not going to play the songs that I do, right? Some of them they can because of money and chic that I give them the rights to. But, you know, a lot of the things that I do in the show, they didn't really show.

It was always the drama around my cabaret show, right? It was never, you never get a really full-on cabaret experience unless you come to my show. And I've been doing it since eight years now. I've been doing cabaret. And, you know, how I started really is, you know, a friend said to me, you love to sing for your friends. You love to host parties. You love to tell jokes. You should be doing cabaret. And finally, I did. And what I do is I pick a song I love,

and I go, what story is going to bring me to that song? And it's always a song that you will know, because it's a big sing-along. Like, give us an example. Well, I do Tina Turner. You know, what's love got to do? Got to do with it. So I have to wear very short Javine dressing its all legs and fringe. You know, and so this, another example, example oh my god I do addicted to love by Robert Palmer that's a good one and I talk about how I love men and I love sex nice that's what I love about you as a housewife though there's so many different layers to the onion I think there's so many it's so many it's so many different things I kind of look like the pirate today with this hat yeah you do I was gonna ask you I was gonna cut is that it's

this is Philip Tracy from London I thought I just asked I had to ask who is the header of the queen of England, and he did, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, Joan Collins. It looks so Joan Collins. I mean, I went to his place in London, because I play London now. You know, I play theaters. I play the Delphi Theater, the Home of Sunset Boulevard, and the Sunset Boulevard, and it's Andrew Lloyd Weber, who owns that theater. So, and Tilda Swinton introduced me to the stage because she's a fan of mine.

Right, I know. I love her. She really, really is a huge fan before you guys met, and you guys are friends now, right? Yeah, I'm going to Amsterdam. I'm about 10 days. She's having a party, so I'm going to go there. And you said on a different podcast, I forgot which one. You said she's really cool and really warm. She's a true aristocrat, really.

She comes from her family dates back to 800, not 1,800, 800. And Swinton is swine. So titles were given in Europe for those who served the king. So they used to give, if I'm not mistaken, swine to the king. And so then you get your castle and you get land, you get a title. Michael, I'm dying because my husband. just loves history and he loves powerful women. And I can tell he's like,

well, I was just thinking, if you got a hat like that, maybe the views would go up. Maybe I need to get a dress and a hat like that. Jeff, I mean, listen, maybe you can start pulling some of that your weight over here and get the hat and get the dress. I knew you were going to be excited to have her on the show. So at what point do you and the count decide to move to New York City and what point does housewives come into your life?

So I moved back right after 9-11, actually. I moved back in 2002, after being there since 1990 in Europe. I mean, we went back and forth a lot. So we decided, I decided, really, that, you know, I was living in the Swiss Alps. You can't buy a pair of socks off season. Do you know what I mean?

Or it's really very isolated. But it's romantic and beautiful and stunning. Very isolated. It's a little slow. And I'm a good skier now, that's for sure. Yeah. But I've done everything, snow skiing, It's no, how do you call, racketing, and going up the mountains on rackets, and, you know, I've done every kind of sport you can imagine.

But, you kids started to go to school. And then I'm like, okay, and he's traveling internationally, and I'm, like, at home with the kids. I'm like, you know, I need to get back to work. So that's what happened, really, is like, you know, let's move back to New York. I miss my family. My parents are here. I have a big family, so I miss my family. I would cry.

Every time I had to leave in August to get the kids back at school in Switzerland, I would cry because I didn't want to leave. So, when you... September is also my favorite time of year. When you get here, it's not Housewives immediately, right? It's not Housewives immediately. Housewives started in 2006. So a couple years later, really, and I met Jill Zarin at a party.

And she says, you know, I'm doing this show. You know, I don't know what's going to have. I'm Jill Zarin, me, Bobby. And I don't know if it's going to have. And I never met anybody like this in my life, right? Redhead. Not just Jill. I'm Jill Zarin.

I'm like, so we ended up hanging out the whole night. I fell in love with her personality because I love people who are authentic. Yeah. I don't care where you're from or what you learn. Money can't buy you class. So I like people that are authentic

that are real. You know, the posers for me are a problem. And Jill, we just hit it off. And she said to me, you know, I'm going to do the show. I think it'd be perfect. You should meet the producers. And it came to me, really, the housewise. Were you guys the first one?

No, it was. O.C. O.C. was the show. Okay. And if I saw O.C., I would not have done the show. Because don't forget. You know, I'm a countess, married to the count, and small children, my beautiful life. And, you know, if I saw that show, I don't think I would have ever done the show. They said it was Manhattan moms, right? And then it became the housewives. So, you know, I didn't even know what reality was. I, you know, I missed a decade.

So the 90s, like shows from the 90s, certain music, certain things I don't know from the 90s. How do you pitch the real house, I guess the Manhattan moms, to the count? Like, how do you get him on board for the show? Well, you know, at this point, I think he was happy that it was going to be busy because he was traveling a lot. Got it. So I think he was happy that I had something to do. And he thought, this is harmless, I guess, right?

And he's only been on, I think, maybe two episodes of that show very beginning. He never came back again? No, no, no. I mean, we stayed married until 2009. We got to work since. So he only did those two and then never was back. He did a couple of things. It wasn't one of the husbands.

No, it was when Alex arrived, when the counter ride was like, oh, here he comes. You know, but he was hardly on the show. Yeah. And the kids weren't on that much either. You know, it was really about me and the women, you know, I didn't want it really to be about the kids. I mean, the first season, for sure, it was, you know, Rosie and the townhouse and the bird and the dog, we got Aston. I mean, I have a living photo album of my life. So cool.

On television, which is pretty cool. When you look back when you first started, did you have any kind of strategy or plan for the show where you were just like, I'm going to try this out and see what happens? Try it out and see what happens. So as it starts to evolve. Rolled by the seat of my pants,

like I went to Milan. It's just kind of... I didn't know what was going to happen. Let's see. But, you know, if you don't take chances, right, then nothing ever changes. So when it started to get momentum and you start getting recognized everywhere

and it starts to really pick up and you guys become like these larger-than-life characters, what was that like? It was crazy. I mean, I remember getting in a petty cab in New York with some of the girls. And people were like, count as I'm yelling our names. I was like, oh, my God, this is so weird. I remember that moment, which was, wow, this is bigger than I thought it would ever be.

I'm going to say, and again, I'm a connoisseur, that it's probably the biggest one on the network and your season and cast was the biggest hit. And you guys are in New York City. So it's like a trifecta. Well, I always say New York is like another housewife because either people have lived here and they miss it. Yeah. Or they've never lived in New York and they aspire to live in New York, you know? What was it like to see all the different personalities around you as you guys are coming up and you're getting all this momentum?

Like how do you manage all these friendships? You're on air. It's like a lot. It's, you know, we make it look easy, but it's a lot of work, you know, between. And, you know, and we weren't that fancy. We weren't like with the latest clothes. We didn't have glam. We didn't have any of that stuff.

You don't know what I mean? It changed a lot. Now you've watched Beverly Hills. It's glam, glam, glam, which is fab. But, you know, we were more gritty because New York is gritty. The only thing about the glam, though, that I have to say is that sometimes when I'm watching some of the episodes now with the latest Housewives is it takes up half the show. Well, it's all about the glam and what they're wearing. I want personalities.

But don't you think the glam also, I mean, I'm not like, I don't know everything, but it. kind of takes, it makes it feel a little bit more produced then. So it takes you out of kind of what feels real. Right. Right. Well, I think people need escapism and I think that's one way of it. It's like, you know, that's why we like RuPaul's Drag Race and that's why we like shows like housewives or below deck, right? Get taken out of your own universe and get immersed into somebody else's. And for me, being interesting is what makes you interesting. If that makes sense. Yes. Agreed. How do you deal with either criticism or people that are not as kind online or people that have, you know...

I delete them and block them. So it doesn't bother, it doesn't rub feel feathers. No, because, you know, who are they? I'm going to let somebody I don't even know upset me. I don't do that. You can't. You can't read it. No, in the negative naysayers, you know, people always about my singing and things.

Listen, I have, my director is Kristen Chenowitz's director. was Bette Miller's director, currently is Barbara Streisand's director. He came to my show. He goes, Countess, I came here not expecting very much from you, but you blew my fucking mind. Can I say fucking? Yeah. You blew my fucking mind.

First of all, you can sing. You're funny as shit. And you wear a dress like no woman I've ever seen. You're going to be a big star. I was, no, I like my little small, little 54 below, which is the old studio 54 that I started my show. I want to keep it small and intimate.

He goes, no, this is, and this is not a game. show. This is for everyone. And my fans are 80% women. I want to go. I'm like really think I would love it. You're going to have the time of your life. Yeah. It is so much time. Because what I do, and I've had people that go to Beyonce, they go to Taylor Swift. You know, they have more fun in my show because they can relate to me and they can talk to me also because I play, I do Q&A with the audience or I'll do trivia with the audience. They come to my show and they say, we have the time of our lives because they're immersed in my world, right? And they get to interact with me. And they also get to interact with the audience in a different way because they all know the housewives. So they make friends. If you

come alone, you don't leave alone, you go out with people. It's very immersive as a show. And like I said, I picked music that my fans know because they grew up with their mothers who were playing that kind of music. Do you have a very hands-on approach with how you, you? you lay out the show creatively. Oh, yeah, I create the show myself. My director does things like this. They'll say, if you're gonna sing Tina Turner, what's love got to do with it at the end?

There's gonna be a light that shines down on you and go, Tina, that's what a director does. Come from that sign, sit in a chair, and I sit on a stool to sing that song. It creates flow, you know, the show has to flow. You have to bring them up, bring them down a little bit, bring them back, and so it's about flow. So I've been doing so many now that it's like playing chess.

So now I can move around all these different parts of my shows from the past to create a new show. Like I'm working on holiday now. And Sonia got run over by a reindeer. Stumbling home from Blue Stone Christmas Eve. You can say there's no such thing as Santa, but me and all the OGs we believe. So I take music. Like I take, I said to my director, I want to sing, Lay Down Sally from Eric Clapton. You know, lay down salé.

He goes, but it's holiday. I said, yes, but now it's Santa. Lay down Santa. Why does they stay with me? I always leave out the milk and cookies, but I never eat it. So I go into a banter. You know, so it's very creative. I have the best time.

And that's my favorite part is the creative part of creating the cabaret. I almost think I love this era for you even more than housewives. It sounds like it's like you're, like you said, in your flow. I'm in the driver's seat. Yeah. I could do anything I want, say anything I want. Sing any song I want, because in cabaret, you can do any song you want. And I play clips from the past.

I mean, you're going to love the leg to also Aviva. I mean, that moment alone is just worth watching again. Wait, can you just explain to Michael what you just said? Well, one of our castmates, Aviva Drescher. The only did you explain this. Go ahead. Aviva Drescher had a terrible accident as a child, and she lost her leg below the knee. And anyway, so she had beautiful, how do you call prosthetics?

made, one with high heels, I mean, the most beautiful legs with shoes and the whole thing. And anyway, so one day we're at Lyserk, remember Lyserk for lunch? And people are saying she's fake. And you said, the only thing that's fake about me is this. And she takes off her leg and she puts it on the team. I'm trying to laugh at that. And I'm dying with laughter because my first thought was, oh my God, her dirty shoes next to my silver world.

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Can't follow you in the bathroom. But they can hear you, so you've got to be careful. Correct. So you can, like, send a quick text. How often do you forget that you're being killed? Yeah. Question mark, question mark. Yeah.

But how often do you forget that they're even there? I forget all the time. You do? Do you really forget they're there? Yeah. If you, if I've thought about that, I couldn't be myself. Who was out of all your cast your favorite person, Sonia? Soniaita, Soniaita, Dorinda. Yeah. I hate to say, not all of them.

I mean, I'm friends with all of them, really. Who was your least favorite? No, I think that you knew, though. I think they, I feel like you're so smart to know that they all made great TV. And so it was like, it's not even about who the favorite. is, Michael. It's about, it's a team making good TV. That's correct. That's the difference between their cast and the other castes, is that they all were in on it. They all read the room. Because how long did like the core cast last? It was a long time. 13 years. Yeah, it's long time. That's insane.

Longer than sex in the city and desperate housewise. Wow. Do you think we'll ever get you guys back on the screens together? I think so. I think there's, I think there's a place for the OGs, don't you? Oh, I know. I'm trying to get this, us to go on below. deck. That would be so funny. The O'Gs and below deck with Captain Sandy Mediterranean, let's hit it. That would be hysterical if you guys could do that. But if you guys

could get back on our screens, like a reboot and re-jouge, what's happened? Yeah. No, I like the idea of going on a show like below deck, like a different franchisor with a new cast. Well, that would just be kind of a visit, like an ultimate girl's trip. One thing that I don't think has talked about

enough with you is what a good mom you And I've heard this from people who know you personally, and I can tell on the show it's really important to you. What are some things that you think are like non-negotiables with your children that you want to instill in them? You know, I think children have to have a certain sense of fear of you. Yeah. That the hammer is going to come down and they better know you mean it. Yep. So, you know, when you see kids that are misbehaved, right, and we see them all the time, right? the foot doesn't go down and you know and they just try to placate the kid instead of saying you know what let's get you're out yeah let's go i think being strict is very good for parenting

be a strict parent with love tough love if you want to call it tough love yes and i think just you know being there for them right and i was out a lot i was out a lot you know thank god for rosy but i always made my family first, you know. For example, I wasn't on scary island trip, was I? Back then, it was Victoria's birthday. I said, I'm sorry, I'm not going. Right. And that was it. Today? Forget it. They would be like, oh, no, sorry, you got to be on that trip. And are you guys like, with your kids now that they're grown? Are you guys friends? Do you hang out? Do you guys like go places? Oh, yeah. What's your vibe with them now? I'm sure the fans would love to know. Well, Victoria's with me a lot. She's in the Hamptons most of the time and she has a little place in New York. So she's with me a lot. You know,

the girls are always new with their moms, right? I hope so. Boys are, you know, they get a girl. Yeah. Right? And then, you know, that mommy dynamic shifts with boys. They don't, you know, well, he actually called me before I got here tonight. So, but my son comes out to the Hamptons. My son is a major artist, by the way. You should check him out. I heard about that. Oh, his work is, and he's doing really well as an, as an artist in Brooklyn and amazing painter. paintings. Nuel Dilla Seps on Instagram and Victoria. Same, you know, she's an incredible artist

and also Victoria is now doing you know, my daughter's really a psychic medium in a certain way. She she can read people, she can talk to people that are no longer with us. She's very special. Has she always been like that since she was little? She's always, no,

no, she's always had a knowledge, you know, and maturity. Like a knowing. A knowingness about her. Her grandmother was like that. Her grandmother could tell if somebody had cancer, you know, she has a pendulum that she swings, which, you know, if you put a pill down here, she can, the pendulum will tell you if it's bad for you or good for you. She's very into healing and mediumship, and she's really good at it. She's actually been doing, she does online, you know,

things for people to help them. And a lot of my friends, they'll reach out to Victoria. I'm like, you know. I need to check her out. Oh, she's amazing. I love all that stuff. Yeah, she's really good. Sounds like she's like clairvoyant almost.

Yeah, she is. With everything that you've been through on housewives up, down all of it, I feel like you've chosen to be honest whereas some of the housewives they get on the show and they don't really show you what's going on. Right.

You know what I mean? But we all know as viewers, like the thing is, is they're underestimating the viewers because we're smart. Yeah, you can see right through it. And you decide to just be honest and lay it on the table.

Is that a decision that you thought about or is that just your personality? Just my personality. I'm a bad liar. So you just row with it. I really should get better a line with it. When the producers are like pushing you, you just were like, I'm just going to be honest.

Listen, in the very beginning, I remember, you know, saying, you see that door over there? That's my bedroom. Don't go near the door. Nobody could go. You never saw my bedroom in the houseways. You're right.

Why was that? Like, what was the reason for that boundary? It's personal. It's off limits. So what do you do when you're on trips? oh well that's different I'm just saying when we first started

it was so different you know today it's like you gotta bear it all no you don't there's something to be said for mystery now hiding is that because you have to hiding things is one thing

right right mystery is another tell the girls about mystery because I'm noticing even when you talked about the count and how he fell for you like there's a mystery there that you know how to sort of work there's a confidence

tell us about the there's confidence tell us about the mystery how that works with men because I think that needs to be there's not a there's not a there's not a hint of desperation no no it's an aloofness right you got to be happy in your own skin yeah right and then that energy then brings other happy people energy around you yes because we have a huge force field i'm very big into joe dispensa i've been to him a couple

times she loves joe desktating for meditating for eight hours a day if i go to joe dispenza with luan oh my god's checking something off my bucket list oh my god oh i i love joe and you know what if that's the went to Joe. You weren't expecting that path. I'm all about, you know, being comfortable on your own skin, and that's what class is really all about. Because if you're comfortable, you make other people feel comfortable. And that's why the Aristos are good at it, because they have to greet a lot of people. So they have to make them feel comfortable. Otherwise, they feel odd or nervous. It's nothing to do with money. And also, I'm a nurse. Also, don't forget. So I'll be the one to say, you know, take a deep breath. You're going to be okay. I got you. You know,

It's all, it's, it's, it's so many different things from my past rolled into one, but it's really about being comfortable in your own skin. And, and I think people then feel comfortable. It makes you feel like you're not being judged or who you are, if that makes sense. Like when you're around someone like you, you don't feel like you, you feel like you can be yourself. Yeah. Well, you know, what people don't realize about me is that I'm down to earth. I'm not this countess that they built up ordering pizza.

Remember that famous scene? They couldn't get Deliseps right. They couldn't get Luann right, so I finally resorted to Countess. Like, they're going to know what a Countess is. I mean, I didn't know what a Countess was. I think that's what's so endearing about you, though, and why it did so well on the show. Well, yeah, I think that, you know, obviously, you know, that famous scene where I get out of the car with Bethany. And she's like, you know, Luanne, and I'm like, because I just moved from Europe.

I mean, I was always referred to as Mrs. Deliceps, right? I didn't ask for countess, but Mrs. Delisette, I don't know, right? It just was what I was used to. So, you know, I have a lot of people that love that about me, and then people that hate it, right? Because they think that I'm trying to put that person down. It's not about that. It's about how was raised as a young adult in Europe. Bethany got mad at her, how she was asking the driver to call her a certain name.

And it was like an iconic scene. I said, I'd rather Mrs. Deliseps. you know I don't know him you know what I mean so it's just it was just people here felt it was pretentious exactly but it wasn't though because I feel like you included everyone by writing the book and like you taught like you taught lessons but it wasn't a condescending way does he know I did a book called Class with the Countess have you read it Michael I have not I have to do an audio book but I'm bringing it out there I need an audio book listen I will let's let's sign up the audio book I feel like that's the one I would dive into it will love you've got to be the voice

that's all of course. Can't be like one of those crusty narrators. No, no, no, no. It has to be me, of course. But I wrote that book because, you know, when I got back from Europe, you know, I sent the kids to school here in New York, and they come back going, Mom, they're throwing food at each other, and they're letting spaghetti drip out of their mouths at the teeth. The kids were complaining about their manners. I swear to God, I'm like, that's it. I'm writing a buck how to behave, you know. Michael, you love this. Michael loves manners so much. Oh, and then I did manners with Victoria at the Hampton Classic. She was so embarrassed. But I'm so glad I did that because a lot of young ladies learned how to navigate a table from the Hampton Classic with my own child. You know why I like manners?

I feel like people with manners, it shows that they're paying attention and thinking and being thoughtful. Exactly. That's why I like manners. Yeah. Don't look at me. I don't care about manners. It's because it's like you're just like a drone running around. Right?

Yeah. Put some effort into it. I want to go back to something, though, that you say. said earlier, you said when you're confident in your energy, you attract energy. Is that the advice that you would give to anyone who's out there listening who wants to date or wants to be approached? Yes, I feel like if you don't think you're great, nobody else will. Then that's true. I think you should write a new book. No, I really do on confidence. Right. And being in your energy so people come to you like in a magnetic way. Exactly. Because people don't realize how much energy they

do have and what they exude. I mean, you see people walking around. They've got this frown on their face and they're rushing and then you see the people that are kind of just strolling along and they're just going along. It's called flow. Right. Right. When you try. So I say this and I learned this from Deepak Chopra, which is there's more neurons in your gut than there is in your brain. So your gut knows what to do, but then we get up here between our ears, which is the dangerous spot. And we go, Well, maybe, you know, but this always knows what to do. So that's why it's called gut instinct, because we just know what to do. It makes sense.

Right. And then we get up here where we've been taught, trained, you know, right, wrong, all that stuff. And this messes up with what this really knows what to do, right? When you look back on all 13 years of Housewives, what's your proudest moment out of the whole show? I'm going to say probably sing with Natalie Cole. That is so cool. That is cool. that was amazing like I know that's big do you think that another moment is probably like how you

sort of built the cabaret on the show and then it launched yeah I mean yeah I'm proud of that moment of course I am because like I said there was a lot of pressure you know not only to do my first show and and do it on television and not get smashed up for it do you know what I mean and you had people copying you yeah well it took them years to copy me right yeah who would you say copy me? I think we had a little bit of Sonia. Is it Sonia or Sonia? Have you seen her show?

No. Well, she doesn't sing. I haven't seen it. And it's, you know, it's a, it's a Q&A. It's different. And a moderated show. Right. I do full on cabaret.

Does she still do it? Yeah, like a slight shade? So Sonia in your city. Light shade. No. There's always a little shade with the house, but there's always a little shade. What makes you want to go back and do Crappy Lake and what makes you want to do your latest show that you just did about finding love hotel yes you know i personally i mean

i would like to see a makeover show where i come in like i'm like the avon lady meets the tupper lady meets martha stewart pitch it pitch it which is you know can you imagine people reach out and say i would love the countess to come to my house and straighten it out that's a netflix show because there's so much going on right and guess what i can do i'm a renaissance woman i can handle those children Okay What are we eating Are we working out

Where's the closet Where's the makeup Where's the guy Wingman Oh no You know the whole Kick-Gaboodle I mean just send me in

And let me do my work Which I would love to do Which is You know I think there's a need For a makeover show again Kind of missing the queer eye For the straight guy Yeah

I could do it all You're very capable Well because I've had to do it all I didn't have any money growing up. I grew up middle class in Connecticut in the middle of Connecticut. So I had to make my own money and had to make my own life. I had to make it in New York. I had to make it in Europe. When did you feel in your career? I didn't have, you know, boyfriends supporting me or any of that. I had, I mean, I have had some great boyfriends. That's true. But none that were paying my bills. You've had some hotties. Hotis. I mean, I'm like, whoa. You know how to, you know how to get them. Like, you know how to get a line.

I grew up with four older brothers, so I grew up around boys. You know what it is? You know what it is, Louling. So many women hate men. I know. And that, you're so right. It seems a bit counterproductive, right? She reminds me of, of my aunt, though, Michael.

My aunt, like, when you love men, they're, like, attracted to you. There's so many people. It's kind of like, I love women. It'd be very odd if I was trying to get with a woman and hating women, right? Yeah. Just seems very counterproductive with the women out there that hate the men, right? If you hate men, you're not going to attract that to yours. I think there's a lot of disgruntledness going on and disappointment with guys, which I understand.

Yeah. But that energy is not going to get you anywhere. You can't also blanketly saying you hate all men is like such a statement and such an affirmation. What I've realized is like, I hate men as an affirmation. It's like having a bad restaurant experience and be like, I hate all restaurants. What people don't realize is what they speak to the universe matters. So the words that come out of your mouth, they really do matter. Because the universe listens.

Exactly. And so we don't positive self-talk to ourselves enough. What we do is we beat ourselves up and we, you know, talk to ourselves in a bad way. And believe me, that resonates. And when you talk to yourself in a bad way, like, oh, shit, I'm such an asshole or whatever it is. I should have done that or whatever. I mean, we have that moment, sure. But we're going to say, no, we're going to turn that around.

I'm going to make it positive. So this is a great question for you, especially. If you have a shitty day and you wake up the next morning, what's yourself talk like? How are you getting yourself out of it? I listen to self, I listen to, I meditate and I do positive affirmations in the morning. Is there someone specific? I'm this. I'm that. I'm amazing.

I'm going to have a great day. I'm, you know, positive. So when you speak positive, and you're going to see after 15 minutes of that, you have a smile on your face when you come out of your bedroom. Me and that when you first get up, go to the, you know, the bathroom, get back, and meditate just for 10 minutes, five minutes, 10 doesn't matter, which is positive self-talk. And you're going to see, you're going to have a different day. I just got the cutest polo sweater. Go run to look at this polo sweater. It's so cute. I just wore it while I was in New York. It's such a staple. I'm obsessed with it. I sent it to all my

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I go to the gym. Okay. I, you know, I listen. Oh, God. I go to podcasts like this. Okay. I have lunch with girlfriends. Okay.

I go to fashion shows. Do you have to practice for everything you're doing on the tour? I practice my show, which will happen on Friday because I have a show Saturday in Chicago. Or is it a little bit more natural now that you, like you're in this? Yeah, I know the show now. It's like. You got it. I got it.

Yeah. So it's really fun. I really enjoy myself. You know, when I, first couple of shows, I say, okay, or if I play, like, a big venue, like I play the Wiltern in Los Angeles. That's where Madonna plays. I played Town Hall in New York where I met Liza Minnelli for the first time.

That's cool. Yeah. I went to her birthday party. I met her there because I was singing the same night with her, Cheetah Rivera and Lucie Arnaz. You should sing somewhere over the rainbow for her. Yeah. No, I do.

Forget the Troubles. Come on. Get happy. That's her mom's song. That's such a good one. Julie Garland's on it. Where are some housewife places that people can hit in New York City? So say people want to come here and do the housewife circuit.

What are some like... There used to be housewives tours in New York. They used to have buses of housewife tours. Well, where could we go? They would go to the Regency first. Oh, okay. We're going to the Regency. Okay.

Let's go to the Regency. You know, Central Park. I'm going to Central Park a lot. I've got a lot of tourists in Central Park, so... What's the hotel for Housewives? The hotel? there a hotel that you guys? No, because we live here. Right. Okay. So hotels. So there's not like a good hotel bar. I thought you're going to say maybe like the King Cole. I see, I feel like. Oh yeah,

I go to St. Regis sometimes. Okay. That's King Colbar, right? Vrazabig. Okay. Okay. And now you have to tell us are you. The plaza. The plaza. Are you hanging out with any of the housewives still like in day to day life? Absolutely. We were just all together in the Hamptons. We had lunch at Bill Bucay. All of you? Well, no. We got Sonia, Dore couldn't make it. It was Sonia. Ramona couldn't make it. She was sick.

So it was Sonia, Kelly, myself, and Jill Zeran. Do you ever have these, like, moments that need to be on camera when you guys get together? Oh, I wish that that lunch was on camera. Was it good? It was so good. Can you give us one speck of juice out of it? Well, I see. Sonia goes, they asked me to be on the Love Hotel, but I said no.

Oh, there is that. Really? Really? You turn down the love hotel. Okay. Oh, no. She's asked Ashley Darby. She knows. I go, I will. So I call up Ashley Derby. In front of her? Of course. In front of all the girls. I'm like, don't bullshit me. Oh, I was so mad. I'm telling you. I should have been a camera there. Was you telling the truth? I won't tell you the end of the story, but what do you think? I heard there's no fish room for Durinda anymore. No, the fish room. I think the fish is at watch what happens live now. Oh, okay. Okay, so he has it as like a souvenir. Yeah, it's one of, it's, it's hanging in the, in the, in his, what's it called, the clubhouse?

The clubhouse. So if someone wants to come watch you perform live, give us all the details, tell us all about it. Well, I'm playing Toronto. I'm doing a show called The Luniverse show. So some venues don't have capacity for a grand piano, drum sets, and keyboard, because I travel with six guys. I travel with three musicians, my assistant makeup and, et cetera. So a lot of places can't, you know, afford that amount of money, and they can't have the space for me with the band. So I created a Lunaverse show, which I talk about all those famous scenes, like, who took that photo at the Regency that Bethany showed me? Who did?

Well, you have to come to the show. Do you tell us? Who took it at the cabaret? Do you tell us? Yes. You're going to tell us. I told the story. So I go behind the scenes of some really iconic scenes.

Okay. come out to a little chic. And then I do a Q&A with the audience. They ask me whenever they want to ask me. And I can't let them leave without giving them some money. So I do a little money number. And so it's a smaller show. But I love it because it's more in-depth into housewives as opposed to a full-on cabaret show. You've got a full production going on. I do. I love it. It's smart what you did. Like a pivot, it's like it's fresh. Well, you know, I started cabaret because I love variety. It started as counting some friends. I mean, I've had big stars. Lance Bass has been in my show, Bridget Everett, who is, you know, who was becoming a huge

star and a cabaret performer herself, Marie Hill, Rachel Dratch from Messinella's been in my show. So I did count as a friend, and I kind of morphed into Count as Cabray because it got expensive to travel with all these people. So what do you think is next for you after this chapter? Are you going to just hit it hard and keep out selling theaters? Well, you know, I'm doing less shows and being more selective about where I go. And I like that because I have more time. And I'm doing the Luniverse shows, which is, you know, easier than a full-on cabaret show.

So I'm loving that. And, you know, listen, I'd like to do my own podcast too. Well, you met the... Here's the guy. We're going to talk about that. This is a guy. Yeah, I think it's time. People have been asking me for years to do podcasts.

I'm like, everybody in their sister has a podcast. It doesn't matter. I just call it a show at this point. Right, no, but you're right. It's not even a podcast. It's just a show. Right. And, you know, it's just a podcast.

it would be fun. Maybe me and D do something together would be great. Maybe we bring people in the studio and ask them, you know, what is it they want? Me and D could make a dynamic duo in terms of coming to the rescue,

you know what I'm saying? So, and maybe we start with a podcast and then, you know, we actually get into your home, which would be cool. I think that that is... And not like our uncle. Like Michael said, it's not just, it's not just audio.

It's totally could be a Netflix. Like, you can parlay it. I think that this medium, in the beginning, you know, everybody, it was just like such a focus. on audio, but I just think these are the new age talk shows now. And people can figure out whatever

form it makes the most sense for them. No, I think it's great. You're great on the mind, too. But the two of you're doing so well with it. So, you know, I'm at least people know what the hell they are now. Because for the first like, what do you guys do? My dad still thinks I'm on the radio. That's funny. Heather does a good job with what she's done. And I love when she interviews you too. Heather. McDonald's. Yeah, I love Heather.

Yeah, I like me on her show. Juicy Scoop. Yeah. She's so funny with her juice. I love her. You know, she was in the Hamptons. I came to pick her up. She was saying with Jill. So I came to pick her up. We had a day on my boat, actually. That's fun. When I go to the Hamptons, Mark, I'm waiting for my invite. I'd like to go for a day on the boat. We've never been to the Hamptons. Isn't that funny? We've never been ever. Oh, you have to come and visit. I think we're going to come this up next summer. We're going to come. We'll come for like two weeks. Yeah, you should. I don't know why we've never gone. You must have a ton of

friends out there too, right? Yeah, we've spent some time in Antuck up. Then we'll bounce around Europe and our families in California still. So we're kind of like always... I'd like a Hampton's trip we have rapid fire rapid fire questions ready yeah champagne or cocktail cocktail what kind tequila

just plain tequila and I like coke I know it's weird but I love it it's not bad isn't it good what's your guilty pleasure TV show right now the hunting wives oh my God it's so good I'm obsessed it's sexy sex she's hot I'm like

I want to do her I know Maybe I will turn it on. It's so good. It's good. It's kind of a girly-ish. Yeah, I don't know. It's a lot about the girls hanging out. But if he likes housewives, then he'll be good.

It's a lot of, like, lesbian things happening behind the guy's back. Well. Oh, no. It sounds terrible. Taylor, save it on my neck for Twitter. Two girls making out. Oh, yuck. Taylor save it for me.

Oh, yuck. Oh, yuck. Wait, I have to ask you this one caveat question. do you watch any of the other real housewives or have you? I do once in a while just to catch up with what's going on like, you know, Miami, Mary Soul is a really good friend of mine. She's my favorite. I love Mary Soul.

She's my favorite on Miami. Do you new housewives ask you for advice? Sure. Do they call you and be like, what am I in for? What's going on? What should I do? Sure. Sure.

Not so much now, but in the past. I think my three favorite housewives are you, Mary Soul, and Kathy Hilton. Oh, I know Kathy's here. I think those are the top three for me. Because they know how to show up and play ball. Yeah, and have fun with it. What's your go-to self-care ritual? Working out, really.

Do you lift weights? I do. For the arms, for the cabaret dresses. Yeah, you've always had a beautiful. You've spirituality. When you get in a bathing suit on the show, you always look so good. Is that weights? That is just being active.

I'm like really sporty. Like I play pickleball, I'll go swimming, I'll play tennis. You know, I'm like very active. I do yoga. Yoga is really a big one for me. It's very grounding because, like, you picked up on, I am very spiritual, so I love yoga, too. So I like a lot of different things. I don't do, like, the same thing, but, you know, staying fit, I love.

Because at the same time, like, when I run or when I do something, I'm going over lines in my head also. So I practice cabaret that way as well. Like the person, if you're on vacation, like, you're up for the activity. Oh, activities. If someone wakes up and says, let's do the activity. Yeah, don't give me the chair on the beach. I mean, I'll be bored. No.

I like to be in like where I'm learning something or, you know, I love the beach. Don't get me wrong, but I want the beach and I want, you know, city life. A pirate or two? A pirate or two. You know the group trip where there's like maybe. Michael, do you know about the pirate? I know about pirates. No, no, no, no, no.

We'll tell about the pirate later. That's a long story. But you know like the group trip you get like 10 to 12 people and like half them are sleeping and like some of them get up and like. Yeah, I'm the one doing stuff. Well, you haven't seen Crappy Lake obviously. I'm like doing working out in the morning. and Son is hung over with clothes everywhere.

Different personalities. Totally. We're like the odd couple. Yeah, you guys are the odd couple. Last question, a goal that you would hope to accomplish by the end of the year. Maybe a podcast. I was going to say podcast. You know, like I said, people have been asked me for years about podcasts,

and I just have never done one, but I think it's time. So that's my goal. You know why I think it would be good for you, and I'll kind of like take this hat off and put that hat on? is a lot of the time you're somebody that will just, you're not afraid to just be vulnerable and talk about everything and show the, sometimes people curate a little bit too much. I feel like you could talk to anyone about anything

and have a good time with it. And you're curious. Right. That's true. Yeah, it's true. Lou Ann. Thank you. Thank you for that compliment.

You are currently on the North American leg of your new Cabernet tour. Cabaret. Cabaret. Cabernet and Cabaret. I'm thinking about wine. Isn't that wine? Lauren's on the Cabernet Tour She's on the Cabernet Tour

Wait, I have trouble pronouncing words Let me say this Cabaret Taylor, keep that in Keep it in, I'm keeping it in No, keep it in Well, because Cabaret's my Cabernet Can't escape this party scene Hell with Countess, now I'm Queen

It's part of the lyrics of my music So she's referring to my music Tickets are available now I can't just count Just don't call me Countless like Mariah. Tickets are now available at countess Luan.com

and where can everyone find you and pimp yourself out? Go for it. Well, Instagram, you know, Countess Leanne on Instagram and, you know, all the social media stuff and, you know, for tickets, that's where to get them.

And I'm going to be playing Toronto. I'm doing Vegas for BravoCon. That's fun. House of Blues. So, you know, lots of tour dates coming up. And I just got to ask to do Sydney, Australia. I'm playing Mardi Gras.

which is a big deal on Bandae Beach. I've never been to Australia, and I'm getting paid to go to Australia. I'm very proud of that. I heard the boys are fun in Australia. I know. I should probably... You shouldn't bring sand to the beach,

so I should probably leave my guy home. He's fine here. You know, I think you should go fresh. Did Durinda say that? I think Durinda said. Durinda said, I love her one line. It's like, don't bring sand to the beach, meaning don't bring a guy if you're going to Australia.

Yeah, yeah. I think that term is universal. I think it goes, I think it goes always. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your outfit. Go watch YouTube, you guys, because this outfit is a real good one. And it's also Giovanni.

It is because I'm feeling Giovanni. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Lou and you're great.