The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dan Bilzerian On Pleasure Seeking Vs. Happiness, Resilience, & How To Set Up The Life You Want

Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.

Starting point is 00:00:20 Him and her. I feel like social media is like a video game I beat like fucking eight years ago. And I'm like, everybody's playing the same game. I'm like tired of playing it. Like, I mean, I've had so many people tell me how fucking great I am on the internet. They don't know me. And I've had so many people tell me what a fucking scumbag. You can't walk down the fame road and worry about what people think about you.

Starting point is 00:00:42 If you do, you're literally going to go insane. I didn't give a fuck. As long as I had the money, I didn't give a shit because I didn't want to listen to people's bullshit. I didn't want to have to fucking ever like follow people's rules. I want to do whatever the fuck I wanted to do. And I know I needed money to do that. And so I was willing to do whatever the fuck I had to do to get the money. And that's what I did. You know, like I just, I did what I came to do with social media. Like you have to understand I've been doing something that I feel like I've already done for a while. Like I'm just like came to do with social media. Like you have to understand I've been doing something that I feel like I've already done for a while.

Starting point is 00:01:07 Like I'm just like ready to like climb something new, do something new. Cause I've already done it. Boy. Oh boy. Am I excited for this episode? Mainly because I love interviews with people who aren't censored because of political correctness. And Dan Bilzer people who aren't censored because of political correctness.

Starting point is 00:01:25 And Dan Bilzerian is definitely not censored. In fact, he is someone who speaks his mind on every single occasion. I know this because I was served his book on Amazon. I am a big, big reader. I love reading biographies, autobiographies. And Amazon served me his book. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to download this. I've heard so many rumors and stories about him. And I want to hear the story from him because that's how I like to live my

Starting point is 00:01:57 life. I don't like to just base my opinions off rumors. I like to actually go to the person and have a conversation with them and see where they're coming from, even if I don't agree with every single thing on the planet that they think. So today, Dan is on the podcast. We are going to discuss pleasure versus happiness, fulfillment, resilience, how to be successful, how to find drive, how to set up and systemize your life, marriage, gambling. And let me tell you, this guy knows how to gamble. And what do you have kids? You may know him from his Instagram. If you don't, I would suggest going to check out his Instagram because you can really go deep in this Instagram. There's a lot going on. And here's the deal. I loved his book. I could not

Starting point is 00:02:48 put it down. I thought it was funny. I was literally laughing out loud in the middle of the night when Michael was sleeping, particularly in the part where him and his friends shoved steroids up their ass to cross the border. That was a good story. It was just honest and it was vulnerable and raw. And I read so many autobiographies. I know a lot of them are fluff, meaning they have a ghostwriter. They're not really telling you the full truth. They're only giving you like 50 percent. And Dan gives you the full thing. OK, he tells you every single thing that you could possibly want to know. And I just feel like so many people look at the image of Dan and not the reason behind it. I find this to be incredibly refreshing in a time where everyone is afraid to be themselves.

Starting point is 00:03:41 I really liked meeting him in person. I enjoyed him. I thought he was funny. I thought he was sharp. I thought he was intelligent. And I thought he was purposeful with intention. I think that this interview will surprise a lot of people who have prejudged him. He was honestly so sweet, so sweet that he invited Michael and I to dinner and we got to see his specific protocol that his chef makes him. I will put that up on my TikTok. I filmed it. He also showed us his cold plunge, his sauna, his house. We got like a wellness tour and he could not have been nicer. So don't judge a book by its cover because you might be surprised. When I got his book,

Starting point is 00:04:22 I thought it was really cool because the foreword is by David Goggins. The book is on Amazon. It's called The Setup. And also in the book is a bunch of different people's perspectives on Dan, one of them being Molly from Molly's Game. She's been on this show. Her episode was fucking amazing. Go listen to it if you haven't. But Dan was a part of Molly's Game, her poker game. So there's just like so many good stories in this book. You will not put it down. I've had a lot of you message me that you've read it and you're just like, oh my God, there's so many crazy stories and photos. For me, this is one of my favorite kind of interviews to do because there's like no PR in the room. No one's closed off. He's open and he's

Starting point is 00:05:07 ready to give you the raw, sexy details. On that note, let's welcome Dan Bilzerian, a venture capitalist that has carved out a name for himself as a high stakes professional poker champion. He's an adrenaline seeker, a writer. Go buy his book. It's really good. Could not recommend it enough. If you want to laugh your ass off. He is an Instagram sensation. Just go look. And he's had a crazy wild life. Dan, welcome to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Dan Bilzerian, welcome to the show. I don't know if we've prepped more. I'm not yanking your chain here.

Starting point is 00:05:49 We've done like 700 of these. I don't know if we've prepped more for an interview than we did for this one. And I think it's because we watch so much of your stuff leading up to this. And we feel, I don't want to knock anybody else, but we feel like people always jump to the end with you. And they always get to the girls and the money and all this stuff, but they don't get to the why. And you've done some pretty wild shit and i was i was reading your book i'm like this is an extremely vulnerable book like you you really kind of laid it all out there i

Starting point is 00:06:13 know you wrote the whole thing by yourself yeah i tried to write it like a diary you know like kind of that's what i was like the framework of it is like like how i would tell the story if i never wanted anybody to find this motherfucker, you know, like, I felt like there was so much like braggy stuff that, that I had to talk about that I was going to talk about that if I didn't tell it with like an honest, vulnerable tone, I felt like it would just come off wrong. And in fact, I had the book written before. So have you heard of, um, Tucker Max?

Starting point is 00:06:46 I hope you're sure. Beer and health. Sure. So he, that guy that wrote that ghost wrote my first book and it was funny because his stories weren't that interesting, but he told them really well. So I thought he'd be good for my book, but it was just like a really braggadocious tone. And I felt like the things that i had done and the stories kind of like were crazy enough that i wanted to err on the side of like downplaying them as opposed to just

Starting point is 00:07:10 like beat my chest talk about how great i am and so yeah i try to focus on the book on you know the embarrassing things the struggles of failure shit like that because i just feel like that's just more interesting you know that's that's what i would want to read about if i read a celebrity's book not all the fucking great shit that every motherfucker knows it's been in the news that he's posted on instagram i'd want to hear about the stuff that he didn't want me to know you know so that's kind of like how i tried to write the book lauren started reading at first and she's like hey you got to read this book because she reads a ton of celebrity memoirs and biographies like this one's different it's open it's vulnerable like you really like i mean

Starting point is 00:07:41 you share a lot of shit in there how did you come across just because we never really talked about this i got this dm from you i thought you were fucking with me at first but then like how did you come across my book like what was kind of like i read so many books i'm like a huge reader and amazon served me your book and also served me andrew tate's book downloaded that what other kind of stuff you're looking at it's not it's not his book it's written it's someone else yeah someone wrote something for him and it served me your book and i was like huh this looks really interesting and the second i started reading it i was like oh my god this is and i told michael i'm like you have to read this book i called all my guy friends who are having trouble with women and i'm like you guys need to read this book you're

Starting point is 00:08:24 too eager i'm like you guys need to read this book. You're too eager. I'm like, you guys need to literally, I highlighted shit for them and was texting them because they get too like hungry tiger. And then the girls turned off. So I just thought the advice, it was vulnerable. It was real. It was honest. I loved it. Could not put it down, but I want to go back to the beginning with you. Okay. So talk to us about when you're driving in the car to school with your dad. You've told all your friends at school that your father is not going to jail. There's a rumor. Yeah. It's like front page news that he's going to jail.

Starting point is 00:08:57 And my dad tells me like, there's no chance it's not going to happen. So I'm like adamantly defending that it's not going to happen. Meanwhile, like everybody else is reading the newspaper, their parents are telling them. And so, yeah, when I was going into school and he just like laid it on me about two minutes before I had to get out for class, it was, it was like, that was probably one of the hardest things and not necessarily because he was going to jail because i didn't really see him a ton anyways it was more just like i was going to look like such a fucking idiot because like for the last year i told people that he wasn't that

Starting point is 00:09:35 was one of the harder harder things i had to do i would say that was and i was young too i was like 10 or 11 and so i think what other people think about you is much more important back then and so that was rough that was like probably one of the roughest things aside from you know getting videotaped we're gonna i mean we had two young kids and i was talking to lauren i'm like you know i was thinking about our own son and i'm like for any 10 year old that's got to be extremely traumatic and not to mention after that i think in your book you said he actually had you go to school right after that yeah like two minutes later it was like okay you're late for class it's like fuck and how did

Starting point is 00:10:14 people know that he was potentially going was this in the news and people knew yeah it was it was like front page news like he was he was a big corporate raider and so it was like a big thing that he was going to jail so all the kids were kind of teasing you about it saying your dad's going to jail which is because kids are brutal and so you're defending your dad saying there's no way because he's telling you there's no way and then it happens so not only do you have to deal with the trauma of your dad going away but you have to deal with all the kids then ripping on you because which was definitely worse i think you know like looking back you know you'd think that your dad going to jail would probably be worse but having to like get bullied all the time.

Starting point is 00:10:46 And then just the constant reminder from everybody else. And then also that you look like an idiot. It was all compounded into one big shit sandwich that I had to eat all at once. Have you ever talked to your dad about why he decided to tell you at that moment? I mean, he's just got unrealistic optimism is the way I would put it. And so he really thought that he was going to win this appeal. And, you know, technically what he did wasn't a big deal. Like everybody else is doing it.

Starting point is 00:11:21 They just decided to make an example out of him. He thought he was going to win like he just you know he believed in you know justice and this and that and you know like it's a veteran and patriot and i don't know so what does your life look like after that when you're a kid and you're that young and your dad goes away and people are bullying you it didn't change that much they were bullying me before you know it just got a little bit worse i didn't see my dad a ton so i wouldn't say that i mean it was obviously like fucked up going to like visit your dad in jail and whatever but the bullying was definitely worse than you know not seeing my dad that much for a year i think a lot of young men and women look at you now and you wouldn't be the poster child at this

Starting point is 00:12:09 point in your life of bullying. And I don't, I don't, when I was reading the book again, like it was, I don't think people have seen that side of you where it's like, I don't care how old you are when you have older guys. Cause I was a victim of that when I was a kid, but they have older guys picking on you and other kids in the class picking on you. Like it's really hard to develop self-esteem and obviously you've done so much since I'm wondering how you started to kind of like overcome that. I've seen it a lot where people have had it super easy things haven't been tough they just never really like grow that backbone like most people that I know that are like super hard dudes you know like David Goggins he did the forward he's considered you know one of the hardest guys on the planet does all these crazy ultra things and you know and he got bullied right like so so I think you know when he had and he had a shitty pass and he had failures and he had things that

Starting point is 00:13:04 he was insecure about and so I think you've got two choices when you've got insecurities and when you've got hardships and this and that, you can turn to this victim mentality, which seems to be the newest craze. It's like, how many victim groups can we be a part of? And how much of a voice does that fucking give us? This is nonsense. Or you can use it to like, you know, make you stronger and give you that drive and give you that perseverance. You know, like I didn't graduate SEAL training, but I did probably more SEAL training than like almost any Navy SEAL. And I never quit. And I did two hell weeks and finished two hell weeks, two winter hell weeks. And it wasn't because I was tougher than the other guys. I mean, fuck the first time I went through, I had stress fractures. I mean, it was like horrible, but I just wanted it really bad, you know? And that's like true of a lot of things in life. Like it's more important that you really, really want something than that. You're tough or what? Cause like nobody's really born tough. Like, yeah, sure. Some babies are bigger pussies than others and whatever like but like you become tough because like you persevere and you continue to do something or you just really

Starting point is 00:14:10 want something fucking bad because like you know everybody fails like every fucking champion every like great fighter or whatever like they all have failures it's just you know some of them choose to use that as like drive to like you know continue, continue to fucking train, you know, at fucking 11 o'clock at night when everybody else is, you know, watching TV and, you know, some of them just kind of like chalk it up. It's like, okay, well, I'm just not tough enough and quit, you know? So it's like you can go one of two directions, but I think your adversities are what give you that fuel to, you know, become confident or become, you know, successful or whatever the fuck it is that you want to go after what do your bullies say now to you do you have you ever like run into one or have they ever messaged you on instagram you know i wouldn't even recognize because they were like 10 11 yeah i don't i don't think about it anymore you know it doesn't bother me well yeah like it was like at the time it sucked but you understand like i went to seven fucking schools

Starting point is 00:15:05 in five years right like i didn't that's crazy in itself too yeah like i got thrown in jail my senior year like i've had like a pretty like rocky road for you know a fucking rich trust fund kid that you know had everything given to him according to you know the fucking mainstream media so you know for me i i think i had a tough childhood where there are things that were good. Yeah, for sure. Like, I think also by growing up with wealth, it's actually a lot harder because you're used to like nice shit. Also, the bars set really high for you, right? Well, that's what I'm saying. You're like used to this, right?

Starting point is 00:15:39 And like when I got, you know, thrown in jail, when I joined the military, like my parents weren't like sending me checks and shit. So like I was used to this and now I had to like live at like this. I think I was getting like 800 bucks a month to start off in the military. Having that perspective is actually like a negative, like having those things and then not having them is definitely a negative. Like for instance, if I were to give you a Ferrari at 16, like whatever your next car is going to be after you graduate college is probably going to be a letdown versus if I had given you a Pinto, like any car would like make you happy. You're like the same guy. You're fucking 22. Like nothing's changing your life. The only difference is like what you had before. If you had a fucking really nice car before, whatever you get here is probably not going to make you happy. If you had a really shitty car, whatever you had here is,

Starting point is 00:16:22 you know, probably going to make you like super or not first one's not going to make you happy second one's going to make you super stoked right like so i think people look at it as like being a leg up and it is if your parents like continue to just give you money and shit and you never have to fucking work then yeah it's great leg up i mean it's not great like you don't develop any kind of toughness you don't really develop a confidence or like a sense that like you did it but your life is easier but if you had it and then lost it that's like the worst like being rich and then going to poor is fucking way worse than like what it's like exactly they're never having money at all you know that's like the biggest fucking curse what do you think that your parents did really right with you when you were little? Like if you look back, you're obviously a very confident person. What are some of the things that they, they did that you can pinpoint that really made a difference in how you've turned out?

Starting point is 00:17:15 It's hard to say, cause I had kind of like absentee parenting to be totally honest. And it's funny because I don't know, maybe that was a good thing. I mean, you never really know that's the whole thing of it, right? You don't know what was good or what was bad until like later on in your life. Like so many things that I thought were like the worst thing that ever could have happened to me turned out to be blessings in disguise, right? So, you know, my parents were definitely not like what I would consider great parents. I mean, my mom was sweet and she was nice, but like, they didn't really like teach me a bunch. I think I could have definitely like benefited from some better, better parenting, but fuck who knows, you know, maybe the fact that I had to go learn shit on my own and fucking have

Starting point is 00:17:58 all these failures helped me. I, you know, so I don't, you know, it's like just hard to say, cause little things could throw your trajectory totally off. So, you know, so I don't, you know, it's like just hard to say, cause little things could throw your trajectory totally off. So, you know, getting kicked out of SEAL training, I thought at the time was the worst fucking thing that could ever happen to me. But because of that, the timing, I hit poker at the right time. Right. Like, you know what I mean? Just like, why did they, I was reading about the SEAL training and you, you did obviously

Starting point is 00:18:18 a lot of it. Why do you think they wanted you out so bad? Lauren and I were, you know, like, oh, this dude's hacking the system. You were like figuring out ways to optimize getting through the training which i thought was super smart but what do you think the reason that they wanted you out was well the first time i was a total piece of shit i had like stress fractures they didn't know that i wasn't i'd never ran more than two miles i was 18 years old like i was fucking showing up late to shit i was failing runs i was just like a fucking soup sandwich like terrible and so i mean i'm sure they had a million reasons not to like me

Starting point is 00:18:50 the first time right the second time i had already finished hell week the first time so i came through i was had a lot more confidence i was actually in decent shape i've been working out i'd you know been running and so i came in there and my goal was just to graduate and i thought if i just passed all my stuff and you know didn't quit and whatever that they you know i could fuck up they could beat my ass see they could not like me but i didn't think they could actually like admin drop me so i guess my attitude probably didn't come across as good because like the second time i went through i just like i was like fucking like i'm here to graduate you know i don't know how intense is that training actually of all the because you've done obviously

Starting point is 00:19:27 a lot of like when you if you were going to rate like is it as hard as people say or is it like your book and david goggins book scared the shit out of me when you guys talk about hell week that sounds horrible yeah i mean it's it was definitely one of the things in my life that i would say was a lot worse than i expected it to be and i I expected to be pretty fucking bad. So I would, I would say that I would probably be like a 10 out of 10 as far as like shitty, I mean, maybe barring like Auschwitz or something, which I haven't experienced, but like, you know, I don't know. I would say it's probably as, you know, as difficult as it possibly could. And you, you learn that you're capable of just way more than what you think that you are because and i'm not

Starting point is 00:20:05 talking about in regular training like bench press like just because you think you can go bench 500 you can't but like with running i could probably go run 50 miles right now you know what i mean it's just like you just start running and you don't fucking stop just like when i did the bike bet from uh here to la like every cyclist other than lance armstrong told me it was physically impossible it was like okay i just fucking kept going and didn't quit and i got there like and i did it with like 18 hours to spare so like i don't know i don't think people understand what they're capable of because most people don't test themselves one of the smartest things that you said too is you said instead of looking at it like the whole week or the you have this extended amount of period of

Starting point is 00:20:43 time you would just take it like little chunks so you would say have this extended amount of period of time you would just take it like little chunks so you would say okay i just need to get to lunch yeah and that's true like ice baths too or like anything you just like and with ice baths it goes to like way down it's like we're gonna get through 30 seconds we're gonna get through a minute or like what even if i'm if i'm ripping a five or ten minute or it's like oh it's a beast in the ice bath yeah i go in there but like my focus is like okay i'm just gonna do a minute and it's like we'll you know do another minute and then another you know what i mean like i don't look at it like i'm gonna go in there and rip 10 minutes because mentally that's you know just it's more difficult so like why add any more strength because when i

Starting point is 00:21:16 go in there my goal is to like you know relax get my heart rate as low as possible get the you know blood flow to you know change and and and the more calm you are actually the better so i try and go in there with you know the most relaxed mindset possible and if i go in there and just figure i'm just going to do a minute i'm as fucking relaxed as you can be as i go through there's moments in your book where you have things like you know you're talking about going through hell week with like basically broken legs and all this pain you're enduring but then i find it interesting at the end and this is a quote from he said of all the pain i endured all the hell instructors gave me the ceo simply not acknowledging me hurt the most and i found that interesting like why do

Starting point is 00:21:51 you why did you feel that way at the end i guess i like really expect because basically the medical officer dropped me the first day i showed up and he's like you can't train on broken legs like there's no way and so they were going to send me to a ship and i would have to wait two years so i figured well fuck it i got nothing to lose so i requested to talk to the captain of the base which is like a huge slap in the face to like every single fucking guy in the chain of command right it's basically going over the head it's like you tell him you know it's like the karen version like i want to talk to the manager but like in the military like basically a big fuck you on top of it right so but what did i have to lose so you know i went i went and talked to him and he

Starting point is 00:22:28 allowed me to train and so i figured like okay this guy knows i've broken legs like he knows i'm not supposed to train and like here i've made it through a whole week you know it was like one of 17 guys in a class of you know 100 and something that started and i just figured like he would have like you know shake shook my hand like you know good job nothing right so i think that was the first glimpse into like managing expectations and i would say that i like definitely took it too far later in my life especially the poker and like muting my emotions and not allowing myself to be happy from somebody that like up into that point never really had much of like a you know

Starting point is 00:23:05 attaboy or pat on the back or anything like that that would have meant a lot to me if he would have said something but like a father figure in a way i mean yeah he's just like a point of authority that i you know he knew i was struggling like i just i don't know i expected it but that was like just me looking through life in my lens like for him what does he give a fuck you know there's like a million trainees that come through here like doesn't mean i'm gonna grab like i don't know he didn't care and you know whatever it's that's his prerogative it's not like he's a fucking bad guy for not caring i'm just saying like in my mind you know looking through my lens what i had accomplished was like the craziest thing i had ever accomplished and i did it with fucking stress fractures and so i felt like i deserved

Starting point is 00:23:41 like a you know pat on the back and i didn't get any. Good job. Yeah. So like, whatever, you know, it's me being a bitch, but I don't know. Yeah. That was like, you know, one of the things I was like, it was tough. And I was like, went to the hotel room by myself and I'm in there and I don't know. I didn't really have a lot of friends at the time. And I was just, yeah, I just felt like. There's some like melancholy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:01 I just felt like I had just like won the lottery but i was like the last person on earth you know what i mean like what is it you know kind of like doesn't matter like nobody cares do you think that the reason that there was kind of a hostility towards you or kind of like almost a dismissiveness because they they were like oh this guy is just a trust fund kid even though that's not what you were. But like they just kind of like labeled you. In the military? Yeah. Nobody knew.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Nobody knew anything. No, I was like under the radar. And yeah, like, yeah, nobody had a clue. I didn't like talk about my background. Nothing. Yeah. And this is before social media. There's no internet back then.

Starting point is 00:24:39 So there was like, yeah, no, nobody knew me from anybody. What is that like to go through all that training and not even get, like get to, get to sort of like the finish line? Well, I was one day before graduation. That's crazy. You can't get closer. Like I, you know, it just felt like I could really like. What's the total time?

Starting point is 00:24:57 I did 510 days of training and it's supposed to be a six month course. So it's like two years of your life. Yeah. How did you meet david goggins was this in the military because i didn't i didn't catch in the book where you said you met him it's kind of a funny story i was at the ferrari dealership in the wind looking at cars and he walked in there and i had like seen his shit on youtube this is before anybody knew who the fuck this guy was he wasn't a legend like none of this

Starting point is 00:25:25 shit i just seen like i was really into fitness really into this shit and like i just seen this guy had run further than a suburban could go on a full tank of gas and i was just like dude's a fucking beast you know so i went up to him and just like shook his hand you know and i was like you know introduced myself and that was pretty much it and obviously he didn't remember that and then flash forward i don't know fuck what was it 2018 16 i don't fucking know like a long time later i'm now famous i'm at a ufc thing i see him over there and i like gave him a nod or something i think he was sitting next to joe rogan or, he's sitting next to Joe and Joe's like, oh,

Starting point is 00:26:07 you know who that is? And he's like, no, who's that? And I guess Joe told him who I was or something. And then he like came up to me, which was really like strange for me, you know,

Starting point is 00:26:15 we just talked and, you know, I don't know. I think we exchanged numbers. I don't know. But anyways, COVID happened. I think,

Starting point is 00:26:23 I think he hit me up for some weird reason or something or i hit it i forget how it initiated but i offered to let him use my gym and we were just working out lifting weights together i decided you know he kept talking about his book and i hadn't read a fucking book in forever but i was like okay i read this fucking guy's book so i read his book i actually thought it was pretty good and he told me he had made like 30 million fucking dollars writing this book and i was like i was like that's crazy man and like the story was to me like very similar to mine in a sense of like you know shitty childhood and fucking go in the military and have a bunch of failures and you know go through SEAL training he graduated i didn't but like aside from that it was like a somewhat similar tale I had my success in other areas and I felt like I also had the fame

Starting point is 00:27:11 piece and the girl piece and there was a lot of things that I felt like my story had that I thought would appeal to a lot of guys and they would find interesting and this was kind of like after I had done it all this is like in 2020 right I'd like done all the shit that i really set out to do and so i was like when i and i tried to write the book in 16 i'd like basically like written it with the ghostwriter i just didn't like his voice i shelved it like okay you know what like fuck it i'm just gonna write this goddamn thing myself i thought he had written it himself like he did like what almost every single fucking normal human being does and they get a ghost writer to like help him out but i was like fuck it i'm just gonna take this motherfucker on and

Starting point is 00:27:49 just fully write the entire goddamn book myself and so i did you know it's covid it was perfect time didn't really have shit going on and it does read like a diary so after you get done with the military you go to college and that's when you started to get laid correct because yeah i would love for you to talk about how it sounds to me that you didn't really get laid in high school well i mean i did lose my virginity at 13 to a mexican hooker that's not much to brag about um and then i think i didn't have sex for probably like an entire year maybe two after that. I dated one couple girls, like nothing really to speak of, you know, like, I mean, I had sex, but it wasn't anything to brag about.

Starting point is 00:28:30 It wasn't a stud. Like I had probably like 500 rejections for every like, yes. So what was the, like what happened in college that changed that? I was in good shape. I'd been hanging out with a bunch of fucking studs and i'm four years older than you know most of the kids well i mean i was like a senior so i came in at the age of a senior 22 i had money i'd been through like fucking literal hell and back i just had a different attitude like for me like i was i was like kind of like nervous to talk to

Starting point is 00:29:04 a hot girl still because they didn't really have a ton of experience i didn't like the fuck up but like i don't know what does it really matter you know so i just had this approach this this like approach where i would just literally go to every single girl that i found attractive and have a conversation with her like anywhere i mean this is in the fucking library grocery store like anywhere so it just became like a numbers thing yeah well i just like wanted to get comfortable talking to girls and so for me i'm like one of these guys were like if i have a focus i'm going to the end of the fucking earth with this thing and i just like i don't know this is how i mean i guess like you know doing the seal training thing obviously like i mean if you can do that for 510 days you

Starting point is 00:29:42 can talk to girls in college so i yeah i just go talk to every fucking girl that i mean if you can do that for 510 days you can talk to girls in college so i yeah i just go talk to every fucking girl that i saw and you know i and it was just crazy we would have these frat parties and like i talked about in the book there was like this crazy ratio of 10 girls for every guy and so dudes that like literally in a million years never would have gotten laid in san diego were having threesomes with hot girls you know and like because the ratio was so high it's like 10 girls yeah the girls had to fight for a guy you know and these girls are all like horny drunk girls that just moved out of the house and wanted to get laid and my fraternity was like a bunch of like athletes and steroids so everybody's like in

Starting point is 00:30:19 good shape and it was like you know like cool guys and whatever and like it was just easy and like these guys a lot of these guys had literally no game like some of them were fucking drooling on themselves getting blowjobs like literally couldn't even speak you know like and i just witnessed this and i was just like wow like this ratio is so important and this like setup this like environment is so important and because i'm like i'm the same guy i wasn't getting pussy fucking six months ago in san diego to save my life right i had a beamer i thought i was in good shape you know whatever but like they didn't they looked at me like a fucking loser i feel like in a way as you look at your life you're

Starting point is 00:30:54 able to like kind of analyze what's going around and understand systems that should be in place to optimize what you're doing does that make sense like i'm like trying to like read between i'm like what is the like main takeaway if you wanted to optimize your life and i feel like you just see angles well i figure out what i want and then i like study intensively on how to get it so i put more effort into the plan and the system and then most people do i think a lot of people look micro and they're like okay what do i want i look micro figure out what i want then i pull back macro i'm like okay how do we get there like what are the resources what do we have like what can we do i mean and so that's kind of like one of the reasons i'm like

Starting point is 00:31:33 doing this website to help these guys i feel like guys nowadays just like have no ability to get laid and it's it's really bad it's like really really, really bad. Like 1% of guys are getting all the girls and the other 99%, it's just terrible. And it's not their bad guys. It's just like, they just don't have the experience. And then that leads to insecurity and then it snowballs and whatever. Cause like you go back into the fifties, like we haven't evolved in 50, 60 years that much, right? Or 60s, 70s, whatever.

Starting point is 00:32:02 Like everybody was getting like a proportionate amount of girls. Like everybody's in decent shape. Now you're either like fat as fuck or you're super fucking jacked, like, you know, for guys, or you're like getting like no girls or you're getting all the girls. It's like this massive disparity and there's not much middle ground where there used to be much more of a middle ground. And I feel like we're all kind of like at fault for this and social media plays a big role and i feel like women are just much much more unrealistic about what they like deserve or what they should get or whatever versus like when you're in a small town you're looking at like whatever the other 50 000 people are and you're comparing yourself there's only one fucking

Starting point is 00:32:41 high school stud quarterback right like but if you compare yourself to eight billion fucking people right and like those are the standards that you're like setting versus like who you know your town like you're gonna start setting these unrealistic expectations so the women just like expect this and you know obviously like nobody's gonna live up to like the best in all these categories i don't give a fuck who you are right so most men like nowadays it seems like they've just almost given up and that's kind of like a sad place to be where like the majority of guys seem to just like have given up there's a little bit of a desperate energy coming that's what happens when like it's like that's what i'm saying it's a snowball effect like yeah you you have a positive relationship a girl likes you back you have sex with her you suck at

Starting point is 00:33:25 first you get better at it like confidence improves like all of a sudden her friend wants to bang you confidence improves like things happen right like you know you go down the road and eventually like you develop more confidence through your experience and this and that but like if your alternative is like oh this girl shot me down i'm gonna go smoke weed jerk off and play video games and that becomes your default setting then like where the fuck are you in a year if you do that for one year now you're a year out of the game like you're less confident you're fucking in worse shape you're fucking probably add is firing through the fucking roof your dopamine receptors are fucking saturated it's like where are you at right and it's like it gets progressively worse and worse

Starting point is 00:34:02 like at what point do these guys just give up? Cause like after two years, what's two years and one more day of not having said, right. Like it gets to a point where, and so, yeah, you just have a whole bunch of the society that's basically withdrawn from the game. I think that they are addicted to being comfortable too. Like, it sounds like you put yourself in college and you had already been so uncomfortable. So you're like, what's like hitting on a bunch of girls. I'm just going to get uncomfortable. I'm going to go to the library. A lot of the guys, they just get so comfortable.

Starting point is 00:34:30 Like what you're saying in it, that what is one more day? People in general nowadays are addicted to comfort. And this is true across the board. Like people have become addicted to comfort. And then the, so they become slaves. They become slaves to this like comfort lifestyle and so if you don't make yourself suffer even a little bit that's why like these ice baths have become like such a good trend is because it's like it's forcing you to suffer even if for like a few

Starting point is 00:34:55 minutes out of the day it's like that's better than nothing and like through that suffering you get an instant reward that's why it's like such a good thing to recommend to people is because it's like it's pretty extreme suffering for a very short period of time and then you get this massive dopamine hit and this immediate benefit and because it was like so shitty for three minutes or five minutes or whatever the fuck you sat in there for then when you get out you feel so much better that you're not suffering it's like that perspective right like if your whole life is comfort you're just kind of like yeah if people have been told the wrong thing they've been told that like winning in life is eventually retiring and being comfortable and again you just become complacent and you just become weaker and you just get worse and worse yeah i think winning in life

Starting point is 00:35:39 is doing something that you like that also benefits other people that you enjoy. If you can figure out something, it doesn't have to be a job, whatever. You're helping other people out. You're enjoying it and you're making money at it. That's the trifecta of, to me, success. And I think that leads to happiness. I think a lot of people are chasing pleasure, confusing pleasure with happiness. And that's one of the things i touched on the book is like the difference between pleasure and happiness and i think there is like a big disparity that people don't realize i want to talk about that in a second but i i want to go back a little bit more with the gambling stuff because i think people again they'll look at you and you played into this and you talk about it they'll label you as a trust

Starting point is 00:36:20 fund kid that just won a bunch of money in poker and i don't think people realize if they haven't played poker and they haven't gambled like that how stressful that is and in itself you're literally gambling people's you know yearly salary or more you said you were losing your hair yeah like the stress it was like literal like massive stress you know you're playing for millions of fucking dollars like you're sitting across from a billionaire that like really doesn't value money that much and if he says all in I have to make a decision for 18 million bucks. It's like, that's just stressful. I wasn't that fucking rich at the time to be just like lighting 18 million bucks on fire.

Starting point is 00:36:52 So it's like at any point in this 12, 14 hour session, however fucking long we played, like I got to make that decision right there on the spot. And I can't look like, you know, it's like a crazy amount of money to me. You know what I mean? I've got like all these things. In the morning, one of the first things that I do after I open the shades and make the bed is hydrate. And I am serious about my hydration. Like I don't screw around. I have a very specific formula to how I hydrate. So I do a huge water with tons of ice and I put my Saqqara beauty drops in. So it's like minerals. And then sometimes I'll also add their chlorophyll, their, the detox drops, and then I'll add lemon, sometimes lime juice. I'm really about the lime juice right now because

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Starting point is 00:41:58 Can you talk about how you initially got in? And again, we have a mutual friend in Molly, and obviously she talked about you playing her games and basically what she said is like everyone had you pegged as the daddy's rich kid with the trust fund and so they were kind of they didn't realize that you actually knew what you were doing and how to play is that where you first started kind of taking off in that world because i know later you got with ag but when you first started building your kind of bankroll there no i built it before in order to get into her game you had to have some like real money her game was no joke but i had established this image and i leaned into it you know that was a big part of it and but that's part of poker is like understanding how people perceive you and you know extracting value from that right like do they look at you

Starting point is 00:42:39 like a guy that is scared to bluff if so you should probably bluff more i was not that guy i was the guy that i thought was bluffing all the fucking time so i actually had to like tighten up later on you know what i mean like i couldn't make crazy bluffs against fucking rich guys because they would just call and not wonder they would want to sleep good at night knowing this fucking asshole didn't bluff them but that was good for me because then when i had big hands i could just like literally stick all the money in the pot and get paid off in spots where other pros never would have got paid off. So like, you have to understand like the different levels of thinking too. It's just like, you know, it's not just about that. It's like, what does he think that I think that he has? And you know what I mean? There's like different levels to the thought

Starting point is 00:43:17 process. Like on the surface, poker seems like a very simplistic game, right? But you like actually get in and dive in and start playing. Like start to understand like there's the meta of the poker there's the meta of the people there is like the the energy of the table like when you know people are losing how do they play when they're winning how do they you don't mean like you have to understand that you have to evaluate people's net worth you have to evaluate like just so many things right so you're just like a constant like psychology fucking professor at this table like trying like running experiments trying to figure shit out like and it really forces you to like understand like predict people's actions like why is this guy doing this like how is he going to

Starting point is 00:43:58 play when he like because there's it's not just about how much money they have like so there's rich guys that like literally have zero value for the dollar. And there's rich guys that like would fucking pick up every fucking penny if it meant throwing their fucking back out. You know what I mean? So like, it just depends. You have to figure out the person and then figure out how they react to pain. Like, you know, if this person is put in an uncomfortable situation or he starts losing, like, is he going to start, you know, fucking bluffing a ton? Is he going to go, wheels going to come off the wagon? Is he going to tighten up? Is he just going to start you know fucking bluffing a ton is he going to go wheels going to come off the wagon is he going to tighten up is he just going to call a bunch and try and get lucky like how does he react to these situations for a poker player really where you want to be is where i

Starting point is 00:44:33 ended up at which was people just thought i was full of shit and so i could just play tighter and get paid off on my big hands that reduces the variance dramatically if you're trying to get bluffs through like it works till it doesn't you know and it's like you're risking you know a lot of times you know you're risking fucking two million bucks to win three million bucks or whatever versus like when you have a good hand you just try and get all the fucking money in the pot you can't lose the variance goes down like somebody could just be like you know what fuck it i'm gonna call him or he could you know have a good hand like your reads are never going to be perfect right like some guy could just be like you know what fuck it i'm gonna call him or he could you know have a good hand like your reads are never going to be perfect right like some guy could just be

Starting point is 00:45:07 like successfully slow playing a good hand or he could have like backed into something or you know shit happens but like when you're value betting hands it's much different like it's a lot lower risk so i developed a strategy that was actually lower variance but people like to play with me and i would play a lot of pots pre-flop. I'd raise a lot of pots. So like my hands were concealed. So they couldn't really like put me on hands. I was one of the first people that played like loose aggressive. Now that's considered like the adopted style of like anybody that's good. But back then people didn't really play like that. They played more ABC. It was like, you know, tight, but aggressive, like very few hands. You know what I'm saying? Like I was playing a ton of hands. When it sounded like they they would kick you out if they realized you knew what you were doing like a lot of these rich guys

Starting point is 00:45:47 wouldn't want to play with a quote-unquote someone who does this professionally right they wanted to play with other rich guys yes your table image was very important that's why like i never wanted anybody to think that i was good i mean it's like kind of like been annoying that i mean people don't believe my story but at the end of the day like no because i was telling more the smartest things about you though that you've done so well is that you've used the sort of like quote-unquote like daddy like rich boy to your advantage and you you you let people sort of think that listen i've been underestimating my whole life you know what i mean so i'm like i can lean in i can lean into that too like a lot of these things like require just like you sacrificing your ego,

Starting point is 00:46:28 you know, like a lot of people's egos is too strong. And so they can't do that. Like they, they don't want to be looked at as like an idiot or they don't want to like act stupid or they don't want people to like think I didn't give a fuck. As long as I had the money, I didn't give a shit. Cause I didn't want to listen to people's bullshit. I didn't want to have to fucking ever like follow people's rules. I want to do whatever the fuck I wanted to do. And I know I needed money to do that. And so I was willing to do whatever the fuck I had to do to get the money. And that's what I did. You know, like, I don't know. I mean, everybody's got their fucking, you know, style. Like some people like want to be the fucking best player in the world.

Starting point is 00:47:00 They want to be renowned as the best player in the world. They want to be on TV and they want to win the tournaments. But like none of those motherfuckers made as much money as i did did you study books on on human nature and like robert green 48 laws of power when you were doing this or is this i should have all in eight naturally have you met him yet i feel like that you'd like that dude we love robert you you just innately knew all these things about people if you know these are expensive lessons that i had to learn like and when you fucking pay to learn these lessons well at the poker table these are expensive lessons but give an example of an expensive lesson you make a mistake you misread somebody you know it costs you fucking five hundred thousand dollars you don't make that

Starting point is 00:47:39 mistake again like it's a learning curve becomes steep when money's involved you know so it's like i paid the fuck attention i acted like an idiot you know what i mean people thought that i was an idiot but i was watching like i was i saw all the fucking angles you also weren't drinking right no i never know but a lot of people drink at the table right yeah like at the stakes i was playing it what it's not like in the movies like a lot of like the lower stakes games you got the whores running around you got people fucking drinking and it's like what about sam well sam was a fucking lunatic he was a unicorn like i mean this guy like he sounded fun he was the best i mean but like they don't make it context on sam because people are listening like what do you mean he's worth 700 million

Starting point is 00:48:18 dollars like he was done he had a rare disease that he was gonna die did you know that when you i knew he had a lot of fucking money i didn't know he had this rare disease but he knew he was dying he did so he basically came to la and he wanted to be a fucking rock star and that's exactly what he did he fucked the super hot chicks he had a ton of fun he gambled he had the fast cars he bought the badass house like he was the man like he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do like he was basically like invincible i've never seen anybody like walk in a dodger Stadium with a fucking cereal bowl full of cocaine and fucking be like ripping rails. I mean, get fucking-

Starting point is 00:48:48 Did you ever figure out why he got, like we're talking about this guy used to get jammed up with the law and like he'd get out of it every time. Did you ever figure out why? I have no fucking idea, dude. I don't know if he had diplomatic immunity. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Like, I don't know what the fuck this guy had, but he was like, he was like immune to the law i just don't know how to describe it like he would get he would get caught drunk as a motherfucker with a bag of coke on him driving a fucking car without a license speeding like reckless driving you know with some fucking topless girl in the car and just like next day he's doing coke and playing poker with me like i don't know like guy's got his car back you never figured it out no i have fucking no idea and he's dead i no fucking clue i mean it was like he was honestly like i said he was a fucking unicorn they don't make them like that and he calls you over to his house one day and he says come over

Starting point is 00:49:38 to my house and he says i bought you sharks no no he says come over come over i bought you a gift and like i had given this guy ferrari is it giving a lambo i'd given him fucking audemar watches i'd given this guy millions of dollars with a gift so it's like i knew if he was getting me a gift there was gonna be something legit but it was like two in the morning i'm with a girl i'm like fucking i come in the morning you know what i mean like what they can wait then he's like no no no you know just fucking going crazy about it and then he finally he couldn't contain himself he spit it out like spat it out i fucking bought you sharks and like you and me and their brothers and they're gonna live together forever and you gotta come over and i was just like wait what it's like yeah i bought you fucking sharks and just fucking come over and it's like

Starting point is 00:50:16 all right dude i'll be over there i'm like five minutes away so like tell the girl like hey put your fucking clothes on we're going to sam's house and she's like oh god no and i'm like no but he bought sharks this time it's gonna be different and uh so yeah like go over there this guy's got like tiger sharks in a swimming pool it was just and he put table salt in the pool thinking that was i mean so i go over there i mean it's like a whole thing right i go over i mean i'm the way over there i'm like where the this guy gonna put these sharks like did he build an aquarium in his house this guy's capable of anything right so i'm just like so curious like where the fuck is this guy going to put these sharks? Like, did he build an aquarium in his house? He's this guy's capable of anything. Right. So I'm just like, so curious,

Starting point is 00:50:47 like where the fuck guy put the shark. So go over there. Sure enough, they're in the fucking swimming pool. And I go to the shallow end. I like grab the one by the tail and it's fucking blood comes out of the gills and the thing's dead. I'm just like,

Starting point is 00:50:58 bro, what, like what the fuck, you know, like there's saltwater animals. And he's like, you don't think I thought of that. And he's like,

Starting point is 00:51:04 stares me in the face. And I just like look in the pool and there's like Morton salt shakers and shit in there. And like, I just like in that moment, I just like realized this dude was like literally out of his fucking mind. Like he honestly thought that like throwing salt in the pool, like made it like a saltwater. It's just, yeah, it's just kind of like. I was trying to explain to Lauren too that for you, like, cause it sounds like you started taking off. You started winning big games, big money, but's just kind of like, I was trying to explain to Lauren to that for you. Like, cause it sounds like you started taking off.

Starting point is 00:51:25 You started winning big games, big money, but then you started also like staking other people who were bringing you money as well as they would win. Is that correct? Dude, it felt like the movie mailbox money. It felt like Scarface when they were just like,

Starting point is 00:51:38 had the duffel bags, like going in. It was just like, you just had so much money coming in. You didn't know what to do with it. I had, I was making money on the fucking bedding betting i was making money staking guys i was running a fucking poker game i was making money from that i was making money playing i was taking fees from

Starting point is 00:51:54 the game when other people would play people were tipping me hundreds of thousand dollars i could take pieces of like the better players i mean it was just i had money coming in from every fucking angle and then i was sending guys to the town. And how many years did it take you to get to that point? I was like relatively stagnant with my bankroll, I would say until like 2011-ish. Like I was a millionaire in college, but it wasn't in 2011 when I started like making some real money and then in 2012 it was like the wheels came off so when your dad sees this after the success he's had and you're obviously having it in a different way what kind of conversation takes place between you two oh i

Starting point is 00:52:35 mean this fucking guy told me to like stop he's like just take the money and run you know stop playing poker stop gambling like that was his advice basically the entire way it was like until i finally like was like fuck you like stop like i'm enough like i'm buying a jet you know like leave the fuck alone and so he i don't know he just never understood i mean he he he played blackjack so it's just a different different game different mentality like he never understood poker like if you're a good poker player you're're not gambling. Like you're fucking working. So yeah, he didn't get it. And a lot of people don't get it.

Starting point is 00:53:10 And so you start, you finally have the money. And then at what point do you start to say like, I'm going to start going on a fucking rampage? Because I think you were in that initial moment in Instagram where I don't actually don't think people could do what you did now on that platform. I think it was like a moment in time where you were fucking everywhere. was so out there so in people's faces it was so counter to what most people were doing like it sounds like you had a strategy going in and mostly to get laid but like at what point do you realize like well this is a real thing well i realized like the fame piece was real and can like when i went there and like people were just coming up to me non-stop

Starting point is 00:53:42 this big like a-list actor like asked me to like ask his manager to come over to see if he could talk to me you know it's like yeah of course like and and then what's his name fucking uh rick ross asked me for a photo i was like oh shit like i made it you know i got justin bieber late i was like you know this trip was like 12 days or something you know it's like i fucked a girl out saying a word no like literally like i was like didn't say one word i fucked two sisters in a bathroom like one sister in a bathroom and then like got my dick sucked with the other sister in the same day like i was just crazy shit you know it was like it was shit that like is this because they see your platform and they just like that was a part of it for sure. But I just like, I just tried things, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:54:27 Like I wouldn't have tried to fuck a girl without talking to her before that never would have like crossed my fucking mind. I wouldn't have tried to like fuck a girl in a bathroom. You know what I mean? And then, you know, like I just like, I don't know, it just wouldn't occur to me to do shit like this, you know, but I was like, fuck it. Like whatever, you know, and I was like on Quaaludes and I was like having fun and it was like, fuck it, you know, let's push the limits, just like, everything was cool, like, girls were just down to do crazy shit, you know, and they were coming up to me in

Starting point is 00:54:53 the club, like, it was just like, it was such a different experience than I was used to, you know, like, I, through most of my life, had to, like, go talk to girls, and like, now, it was like, these girls were coming to me, and it was like, coming to me in such a quantity that i had to like decide who i wanted to bang that night i'd never been in that spot right like multiple girls i had to pick who i wanted to have sex with this is like that was not a normal thing for me so like and i was inundated with all this so fast because before that i didn't really like leave my house that much i was like in la and i was i had the poker games i'd have a bunch of pool parties and i you know i fucked a shitload of girls and it

Starting point is 00:55:29 was all cool but it wasn't like just total strangers in public in a foreign country like it was just like different you know what i'm saying like i saw it i expected to get laid like when i'm having a poker game and i got all these fucking massage girls like trying to grab me and shit like i'm expecting you know if i want to get laid it's gonna happen like it wasn't a surprise but like when i'm out in just like a foreign fucking country doesn't speak english you know what i mean funny story for you lauren and i were in capri and it might have been in like 2000 when were you there when you had that giant ship with the fucking ignite logo on it oh 19 so i'm like sitting there having a cocktail with her and i look over and there's like a harem of people and like the streets are swarming i'm like what the fuck and it was you

Starting point is 00:56:07 in the middle it was hysterical it was but he was no but to your point it was pandemonium people were going people don't understand no no i saw it it's in every country this is like in india this is in thailand this isn't like the fucking obscure places i mean granted you had about 25 women with you or however many were no no i get it but i'm just saying like the fucking obscure places. I mean, granted you had about 25 women with you or however many were with you. No, no, I get it. But I'm just saying like the craziness of it. Like you see, like, cause I see these TikTok guys that I have like 30 million followers. I'd be like, I, nobody I know has ever heard of this motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:56:37 When I had like a million and a half followers, it was like world renowned. But I think like my shit was a slightly different because I would get this international press and like daily mail would do something like 200 other articles around the world would be running that same article and so i was getting like this international press and then also had a lot of people like watching my shit that couldn't like actually follow so i think for a lot of the time it was like underrepresented that's what i'm saying is i see people now and like you know in the business where we see they're like oh look at this fall and like half the time like who the fuck is this person I never knew but you were in a moment in time where like I think even if

Starting point is 00:57:10 the following was lower to your point it wasn't 30 or 20 whatever it is like everybody kind of knew that was on that platform and I'm not kidding like Lauren and I were out there she was pregnant we were just like walking the streets and all of a sudden this harem of women with you in the middle comes out and people just going nuts it was like was that the trip that the girl left her boyfriend to suck your dick in the car

Starting point is 00:57:28 no that was a different trip that was before this was the one to get my trips we got to get the timelines you know this was the one where the girl fucked the waiter and videotaped and you sent her home i mean yeah because she fucked up my sleep that night you know like i honestly like no if i had a whoop it would have been fucking disastrous i was like i was so like relaxed like i sent all the girls to the fucking club i was like she like texted me like oh i want to force on with you and this girl and this girl i'm like i'm i'm crashing like tomorrow or something and then she was like not tonight i honestly had like the least amount of

Starting point is 00:58:05 sex on that trip of like almost any yacht trip i've ever been on it was the craziest thing i had so much like you were running a cruise ship dude it was insane it was a 300 foot fucking like literal cruise ship we had to i could see it from the hotel we were up in that punta and i was looking down i'm like what the fuck is that guy doing it was bananas it was it was nuts and i had put on there just like too many girls that i was like dating because normally what i'd do is i'd have i don't know three five maybe six girls that i was dating on a trip at any given time and then a bunch of new ones this was like almost all girls that were like girls that i had been dating so it was like this just this tension and i it was just different you know let me ask you something man to man

Starting point is 00:58:42 yeah how do you if you're dating six women. I was dating like 50. I was dating 50 at a time. 50 to 100. Okay, one alone drives me fucking nuts, Lauren, I love you, but I mean, how do you deal with all of these?

Starting point is 00:58:53 I'm curious about that too. That's a lot of energy. All of these mixing personalities and people vying for your attention. It's going to be stressful. It's actually harder when it's less. So when I was dating 50 or 100 girls, it was actually less headache

Starting point is 00:59:04 than when I was dating like five. Because when I was dating less, they expected more and it was a different standard. But when I was dating all these girls, they were just like happy to get time when it was less, when it was like four girls or whatever, then now they're competing to be like the main girl. And so now there's like cattiness, there's this, there's that, you know, if I fuck like one girl more than the other girls, they get mad we're just like 50 or 100 none of it matters like it's just like they get the time when they get the time they're happy to be there like everything nobody bitches about anything there's no jealousy it's just like am i right that you have a soft spot for jessa and lindsey i got that vibe and jessa i know jessa i really like her i think she's cool and she totally has

Starting point is 00:59:44 masculine energy. But it felt like you had a soft spot for both of those girls. Put them on the spot. Well, I wouldn't say a soft spot. I had very different interactions with the both girls. So Jessa, I dated like seriously and monogamously for almost three years. And she was like one of my first serious like like serious like true loves like she tattooed my name on her pussy like it was like you know a real thing right what the fuck lord that was like

Starting point is 01:00:11 a very different relationship lindsey and i like met at the playboy mansion we had good sex it was cool like i decided to just like randomly make her famous she had huge tits i was happy like like whatever like we dated for a relatively short period of time she knew what it was and i just like decided to make her famous like a social experiment and she for her whole life has always like given me credit one of the few girls i've made like so many girls famous it's ridiculous and she was like the one one girl that actually like continued to like you know be like you know dan did this like most girls i didn't even get a fucking thank you she actually like so i always had respect for her because you know she like kept it real and she was

Starting point is 01:00:50 actually like appreciative you know that i that i helped her out and i was like you know for me i was happy to help her out i didn't care like she was cool i didn't want anything serious at the time and you know we had fun and i just i've had nothing but good things to say about her jess and i had a much more like tumultuous relationship it was like very toxic you know and so we we had fun and I just had nothing but good things to say about her. Jess and I had a much more like tumultuous relationship. It was like very toxic, you know? And so we, we had our ups and downs and our battles.

Starting point is 01:01:10 And Lindsay was on juicy scoop, a podcast. And she was so cool about you on the podcast. She got asked all these questions about you and she was really complimentary and really cool. You're right about that. She gave you credit. The thing that like a lot of people don't realize is like almost every girl that I've hooked up with

Starting point is 01:01:29 for the most part, doesn't have anything bad to say about me. You know what else is interesting? Like nobody else in Hollywood has fucked thousands of girls and had no fucking issues with any of them. You also don't give off a, I don't, I was telling Katie this earlier you also don't give off a i don't i was telling katie this earlier you don't give off a creepy energy like sometimes when guys are like screwing all these girls there's like a creepiness to it there's not a creepiness to it i was a guy that like i was never like aggressive with girls if i didn't feel like a girl really wanted to fuck me i was done with it so that's why I've

Starting point is 01:02:05 like never had any rape allegations. I've never had any sexual, none of this shit. And I have all the fucking guys in the world you would think would, but because I cultivated a very different energy, which was like, I created a situation where the girls were like fighting to hook up with me that that was just, it was just different. And different and but for me like i had to feel like a girl really was into me or i just like couldn't get it in the site that's why i never like really fucked i mean i've obviously fucked hookers but not very many it would have saved me a lot of time and a lot of headache and a lot of like mindless conversations to like have sex with hookers but for me like if i felt like the girl only wanted to have sex with me for like a dollar

Starting point is 01:02:41 amount and not for like any other reason to be a desire yeah it was like hard to get in i couldn't get into it like part of the like for me like part of having like really good sex the girl is like really like super into me and super into the sex like that makes it better for me it's not like some crazy technique or whatever it's just like she's super into it so if i didn't feel that vibe then it's like whatever there's plenty of girls that i'll find that with so again i think like part of the reason we wanted to talk to you there's a few but you know you read your book and what are those things called where the other people contribute in the book what oh vignettes vignettes like not just the women that you've been with but a lot of men like so

Starting point is 01:03:16 many people maybe share things about you that are counter to what you see from the image or from the videos that you post right like they mostly talk about what you do to the image or from the videos that you post, right? Like they mostly talk about what you do to help other people. They talk about you being a good friend. They talk about you being no bullshit. Like the women have nothing but nice things to say. And I think what's interesting is obviously you're a polarizing character. You know that you obviously grab a lot of attention for some of the stuff you post, but I think there's just this other side that when I'm reading the book, I'm like, Oh, there's a whole other person with a lot more depth here well i leave with my worst you know so i'm like the opposite of a politician they try and convince you how fucking good they are i shovel

Starting point is 01:03:53 all my shit right in your face so it's like i'll give you tons of reasons to hate me like you can have them here they are like whatever love it or hate it this is part of who i am like i said i leave my worst i don't talk about my charity i'm talking about like you know good shit because like i don't need a fucking pat on the back for that stuff like i don't care if everybody likes me like i'm not here to win a popularity contest so for me like the instagram was a social media experiment it was just like i wanted to see if i could make myself famous like i told my buddy who did the paris hilton fuck tape i was like i'm gonna be more famous than paris hilton he laughed at me and i was like okay i was like I think I can do it you know this is like when I know I didn't like hadn't even started Instagram like I was like just starting it or whatever does the media always

Starting point is 01:04:32 twist everything with you because you wrote about the Las Vegas shooting and what I found so interesting about that chapter is is you sort of were explaining the whole entire situation and you talked about how you were trying to get a gun out of a police car so i've got the whole video if you want to watch it so i'm like there like the the headlines were dan bilzerian flees you know marine calls him a coward all this shit i was literally there for like the shooting was like nine minutes i have a video of like six and a half minutes of it you know what i mean so like i was there literally the entire shoot shooting we took two girls to the hospital and then i came back and i was there for fucking two hours so like you had picked up a gun you the way you look you would have been shot yeah that

Starting point is 01:05:14 was such a good point that's another thing is like you know you like sometimes you think you know what you want like at that time i wanted a gun so fucking bad i remember i had the keys i was in the fucking cop car i was trying to get this shotgun unlocked I was trying so hard and bullets are going by my head and I just really I wanted that gun so bad and I could not unlock this it's like one of those bad dreams I'm like you got a gun you're trying to shoot the guy and you just could you see him no but you know nobody had any idea because he was all the way up i thought everybody thought this guy was in the crowd with the fucking machine gun mowing people down right so i just wanted to get a gun and i couldn't get this fucking shotgun out ran over this girl fucking shot in the fucking head we like her friends like i'm like hey bring

Starting point is 01:06:01 her to the cop car and i went back in there i was going to drive the cop car keys were fucking gone then the guy starts fucking shooting again so we fucking run run over towards the mandalay and some cops are like running away we stop it we're going towards it they're running away we stop at a fucking whatever it's cement fucking block or whatever barricade yeah yeah barricade and i showed him like my police id or whatever and i was like ask him if i could have a fucking gun i guess i'd seen too many bruce willis movies or whatever but i mean i was a fucking guy literally like four days before that i'd like kick the fucking door off his hinges in new mexico to serve a murder warrant so it's not like you know i wasn't an actual fucking cop like i was serving fucking high-risk warrants like i

Starting point is 01:06:43 was a fucking police officer for like three and a half years so it's not you know like everybody online it's like oh but again i feel with you everybody's just so determined to never give you any credit but that you know they never caught me like all these years of trying to get the i got you moment like but like what i mean here's the thing you're in one of was it the largest shooting in u.s history yes okay so you're in that shooting everyone's commenting about what you should have done or what you shouldn't have done. And in the meantime, you're like, you motherfuckers, you weren't at the fucking shooting. I'm running towards the fucking Mandalay trying to get a gun from multiple locations, then take two girls to the hospital.

Starting point is 01:07:17 The next day, deliver fucking 10,000 pounds of water, go to the hospitals, fucking deliver food, doing all this shit while some fucking retard Marine is on his fucking fucking keyboard like talking about what i should have done in this situation it's just like these guys are such but at some point i mean again and you've played up a lot of this image to your benefit and you've figured out how to kind of like create these systems and quote unquote like it's these setups does it start to nag at you though at some point when you like you know because i was telling lauren what you've accomplished in poker is no easy feat. How you started staking people, how you started making money. Everybody that thinks it's that easy. It's like, go try it. It's not that easy. And all the other stuff, the seal trading, it's almost like nobody ever gives you credit. Yeah, no, but I've, you know, it's just,

Starting point is 01:07:56 I like, I've been underestimated my whole life, you know, and I've always like, try to use that to my advantage and I have used that to my advantage. So it's something that I've just like come to terms with, but it doesn't bother you i mean i've had so many people tell me how fucking great i am on the internet they don't know me and i've had so many people tell me what a fucking scumbag i just kind of like you can't you can't walk down the fame road and worry about what people think about you if you do you're literally going to go insane i was talking we were talking to ellie golding on this show a few weeks back and i was saying the scary thing in my personal opinion and obviously not the same level with fame is that i feel like there's a certain point where if you go past it you're done like you can't put the genie

Starting point is 01:08:38 back in the bottle like you like if you there's certain people the justin bieber's yourself certain people that get to a level it's like hey i if you if you were right now like i don't want this anymore i want my privacy back i haven't barely posted in like last three years but that's my point it's too late in six months but it's too late for you i think i just don't care like i feel like social media is like a video game i beat like fucking eight years ago and i'm like everybody's playing the same game i'm like tired of playing it like i look at social media like a fucking cancer like to me i think it's the worst thing to be happening to society so i just like it just cringed to perpetuate that problem like i said i'm like i'm focusing on a site right now to like try and like help people out and i want to like you know focus on that and i just i did what i came to do with social media like i got fucking

Starting point is 01:09:24 super fucking famous. Like I got all the pussy. Like I climbed these mountains and it's like, you can only climb the same mountains for so long before it gets boring. I mean, honestly, I was like kind of over a lot of this shit before I started Ignite, like around about that time, but I did it for like the company. And so like, you have to understand, I've been doing something that I feel like I've already done for a while. Like, I'm just like ready to like climb something new do something new because i've already done it but does it get tiring at this point because like you said you haven't put wins the last time you posted in 22 or something like that yeah and i still feel like if we were to go

Starting point is 01:09:56 with you right now to the casino and we're gonna go out you're gonna get bombarded you're gonna get stormed yeah it never ends like i i recognize that like i've lost my privacy so what do you i mean to me like and again like that would drive me insane at some point i mean it's got to be nice for certain things but do you ever like look at and be like god damn i want my privacy back i've always been a pretty like private person i wasn't like a guy that like went to fucking ball games and went to dive bars and i just like i don't know i was never really like out in general populace like almost my whole life like it's in the military then i was in college then i was gambling like i mean i've been flying private for fucking you know 15 years like i just i don't really like i'm not out there in the mix as much so if i was in g-pop more often you know like i it would

Starting point is 01:10:48 yeah it would be a lot like it's a lot to deal with for sure like when i go out i have to just like mentally acknowledge that this is what it's going to be and like i've also like you know decided that i'm going to take every photo too so that makes it like super brutal because it's just like, man. That's what people want, the selfie. Yeah. I just, you know, I had this moment with Denzel back in like 2012, maybe 13. Denzel Washington. Around about that time. Denzel Washington.

Starting point is 01:11:18 Yeah. Where I did a scene. We're not on First Name with Denzel. Yeah. Neither am I. I'm sure you still know who the fuck i am but i did a scene with him in a movie and and he killed me like dying on a barbed wire noose and he's like staring at me while i'm dying i'm spitting out blood and shit and he complimented me on my death it's a few words i still remember it you know and so i guess

Starting point is 01:11:43 and he wasn't like a childhood hero of mine or anything like that but it's just an acknowledgement but he was yeah he was a good actor and he gave me a compliment it's fucking split second of his time but i've remembered and it meant a lot because i'm a shitty actor and i tried to do it right i mean i think i did a good job in that movie but anyways the point is that a lot of times it won't be that much time for you but it'll be an impact for the other person and so it's just like the right answer to do it it's like if you see an old lady fall like you help her up like i don't know to me it's like the same thing as seeing an old lady fall somebody asked me for a photo and it means a lot to them to get a fucking picture i'll take the fucking picture do i want

Starting point is 01:12:24 to know i don't fucking like taking pictures especially when i'm fucking mushrooms i'm looking at the goddamn camera my face is melting in the fucking screen they want to try and have a conversation with me but like i still fucking do it you know and so i just mentally like acknowledge like this is my bed i made it like i got i reaped the benefits of it you know i got to fuck all the hot chicks. Well, this is, you know, fucking, you know, nothing's free in this world. Well, a professional has just released its most luxurious haircare line, ultimate repair, and you have seen it on my Instagram stories. I showed you what I like to use, how I like to use it.

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Starting point is 01:17:29 or would you caution against it no i would not push him towards this life not that i don't feel like i led a fulfilled life and i did all i've like pretty much honestly done all the things that I set out to do. I just realized that going down the pleasure seeking road is not really the road to happiness. And it's not a road that you can ever really feel fulfillment on. Like take it from me. I'm a guy that's like, fuck all the girls. They did all this shit. I had all the fast, you know, I, i like checked every single pleasure seeking box to the end of the earth and then kept going so like i'm one of the few people that can like acknowledge

Starting point is 01:18:11 that that's it was it fun like of course it was fun and like pleasure spikes are great but it's not a road that'll lead you to happiness so i would not recommend him go down the same path of me would you ever have kids it's possible would you ever get married that is less likely you know as a gambler betting half your net worth you're gonna love a chick forever has given my experience what i've seen i here's my thing with marriage i feel like are there marriages at work yes Are there people that are happily married? Of course. Is marriage a good thing if you have kids? Probably. But I also see the other side of it, which is so many people that have gotten married and then become complacent because of that marriage. Or, you know, usually a relationship is like two magnets. And I give this example a lot.

Starting point is 01:19:00 One magnet, if you get too close, the other magnet pushes away and same way into the side right so if you've got one person that's a little bit more into the relationship with the other which is usually the case it's very rare that everybody's like equally in it right like somebody's usually a little bit overreaching you know like a little bit better than the other way more obsessed with me than i am with him be that as it may there's a moment i just shut up some person is usually like kind of more in it than the other right and so what happens is when you get locked in like that now you have to ask the government permission to break up the person that was less locked in sometimes feels more trapped and then the person that's been trying really hard to keep that person that's maybe like above their fucking pay grade stops trying,

Starting point is 01:19:49 trying quite so hard. You know what I mean? Then it's like, there becomes a little bit of animosity that builds up, right? Like all of a sudden you got your dick sucked every night and now it's like only on Tuesday and Wednesdays, you know? And then it's like only on Tuesdays. And then it's like, okay, now once every couple of weeks, you know what I mean? It's like, or, you know, or the chick is, you know know getting less fit or the guy lets his fucking belly go or you know what i mean like whatever the case is when you're not married and the other person doesn't act right your girl starts flirting with another dude i'm fucking out the door right but if i'm married to this bitch and now i gotta get fucking permission from the government and give her half of my shit i'm gonna put up a little bit more flirting right so but that's gonna come with animosity

Starting point is 01:20:29 you know what i'm saying and so it's like i think the best relationships are when both people want to be together just because they enjoy each other's company not because they're forced by the government not because they have some fucking title not because of some pressures not because they have a kid they feel like it'd be bad for the kid to not be together but because they just want to hang out with each other because they enjoy each other's company that to me is the perfect relationship i don't need government permission for that i get why women push for it you're gonna have a kid if you're gonna give up your fucking career you're gonna make sacrifices i understand you want a little security it's like i get the whole premise of marriage right understand you want a little security. It's like, I get the whole premise of marriage, right? Like you want a tax break or whatever the fuck you're in the military.

Starting point is 01:21:08 You want that extra pay. You want to live off base. Tax break's not that great to be honest. But I'm saying like, you want to live off base. In the military, there's a big incentive to get married. You know, marriage is actually like pushed a lot on like the, you know, people with less money. It's like a lot more benefits come from them. You know, just like, you know, having more kids is encouraged by people that are like under the poverty line, they get more welfare. It's like, you know, so anyways, I, to me, like I said, I think it makes sense for some people, but I think as a general rule, I think relationships are worse off when there's more

Starting point is 01:21:39 pressure put on them. And I believe that that marriage puts pressure on a relationship. And I think people act the best when each of them can leave like if he starts fucking acting like an asshole he starts checking out your sister you could be out the door maybe he won't check out your sister shit dan i should have talked to you before i got married fuck it goes the other way too you know what i mean you stop sucking the guy's dick you know what i mean he's like i always rally good it's working out so far we haven't got to the tuesday thursday but if that ever starts sucking the guy's dick. You know what I mean? He's like, I always rally. Good. It's working out so far.

Starting point is 01:22:07 We haven't got to the Tuesday, Thursday, but if that ever starts to happen, I'm going to call you up and say, we've got a problem. I mean, honestly though, but relationships just work best when both people are trying hard. And that's what happens a lot of times when both people can walk.

Starting point is 01:22:17 They both want, you know, the other person to stick around. They want the other person to be happy. Some people, selfish people get lazy. And when they're in a relationship, they know they got the other person locked up and they got half this motherfucker's money they stopped trying

Starting point is 01:22:28 and now all of a sudden this guy's like oh shit this girl just wanted me for my money because now she's not doing all these things because she knows she's fucking got me and then it clicks in his head and then he you know what i'm saying then he starts fucking you know it's just like this slippery slope i also think like i was reading another part of your book and you were talking about how people put so much into chasing different people, man, woman, whatever. And you were, and basically what you were saying is the secret to having power with women is not needing them. And also finding happiness being by yourself and being on your own and having your own shit going on and having your own accomplishments. And I think one thing that I think is difficult for men

Starting point is 01:23:04 and women in relationships, like they feel like the relationship is what completes them as a person and they don't go back and do the work on themselves to just be a solid person individually yeah a lot of people they basically get codependent or they get lazy or you know a lot of things like i feel like a lot of people in relationships because they're scared that they can't do better or they're just too lazy to go out and try or like i don't know i just see a lot of people that are doing it wrong but you're right i mean like i think about lauren and i's marriage and i think we're both the type of people we're like i'm fully confident that if i went off on my own i'm gonna be good and i'm fully confident that she knows if she went off on her own she's

Starting point is 01:23:43 gonna be good and i actually think that that makes the relationship stronger because it's a little bit of a check where it's not like I'm sitting there clinging to her and she's not clinging to me. Two people that don't need each other. That's, I mean, that's really like at the end of the day where you want to be. Yeah. And I don't, I mean, she's probably sitting there like, what do you, what's this motherfucker thinking now? But you get my point. It's like, I think so many people, they think that their life becomes complete as they get into a relationship and that, you know, other person validates them or makes them a whole person. And I think. Yeah. They, they need something. They go in there with a need. And like, if you can just go in

Starting point is 01:24:12 there, like I said, cause you want to hang out with the other person, then it's more, it's a lot more pure than if like you need attention or you need companionship or you need this, you need that, you know, you're, then you're kind of like pulling on the person you know it's desperate energy how do you get to a place where you legitimately don't care how you're perceived and and what people think of you because i think the pendulum has swung so far to this politically correct bullshit and everybody walking on eggshells about what they can say that it's actually like a beacon and it's refreshing when certain characters just say and speak their mind and i think the reason people are so fed up with politics in this country is because you just

Starting point is 01:24:46 feel like people aren't telling you the truth it's just a constant stream of bullshit how do you get to a place where you're just comfortable being you speaking your mind when does that take place is that before social media is that after is it a principle you had going into it i think a part of it is like having financial security i think not needing people not giving a fuck if you lose an endorsement not caring about this not like that's why it surprised me so much that the rock is such a puppet is because like he's got too much money to be doing this shit you know like i don't understand it i would think that like authenticity would you know be the most important thing for some people it is he's in hollywood yeah it's like a lot of puppets you know a lot of people just like yeah you know continuing the charade yeah

Starting point is 01:25:30 i was like the people talk about i mean people get mad when we talk about on the show but like this cancel culture thing i'm like you can only be canceled if you give somebody leverage over yourself whether that's leverage over your career or leverage over an endorsement or like yeah like you don't give them the leverage exactly if you have enough money you really can't be canceled because like what is being canceled it's like losing endorsements losing this is but it's all money you don't give a fuck about that they can't control you you know i'm saying the key is to have enough money and then nobody can cancel you i'm not going to stop being famous because like people fucking you know decided one day that like i said something wrong like and just not being afraid of being canceled and not even fucking allowing it to like enter into your like headspace i think eliminates its

Starting point is 01:26:14 possibility like in and of itself because i was never worried about being canceled i never fucking cared like i you know i knew the fame wasn't just going to go away honestly would have been happy if it fucking did and so i've just always said what the fuck i wanted to say and i've never filtered myself so the internet comes for the apologists too they just well that well the moment you apologize you've lost like unless you genuinely feel bad about what you've done sure well then that's almost all these motherfuckers that have apologized have apologized because they get pressure because they're fucking you know manager says so or their sponsor or their fucking sugar daddy or whatever the fuck it is like you know this pressure comes down and they decide like they need to fucking bend a knee and it's just that's

Starting point is 01:26:58 just wrong like i never apologize for jack shit unless i actually meant it like have i fucked up of course you know what i mean like i don't know i don't like issue apologies because people tell me to issue apologies because it's fashionable to issue an apology i didn't post a fucking black square i didn't fucking like virtue signal like i didn't fucking tell people to wear a mask like i didn't do any of that shit like i didn't follow the rest of these fucking sheep like when everybody does something i don't feel the need to fucking do it and i've just always been like that this is kind of how i'm wired so i don't understand when all these people just do what everybody else is doing

Starting point is 01:27:34 because they're doing it like that just seems strange to me well the scariest thing to me and i told lauren this i've said it multiple times about the last few years is how quickly people are just to get in line and just to do what they're told he saw with the jab it's i mean it's it's scary how quick people are just like i'm just gonna you know everyone's doing it everyone's saying it i might as like and you and you watch these people kind of like try to validate things in their head or like you know rationalize and it's it's it's almost like they're trying to talk themselves into it they don't really believe it i don't care if everyone wants to do something go do it but don't don't make me do it don't try to get me to do it

Starting point is 01:28:09 leave me alone that's the problem with like the democrat stance is it used to be about like freedom your body your choice like all this stuff and now they've just become massive hypocrites like i actually used to be like more of a liberal than i was a conservative for sure like when my grandfather used to fucking be spouting off all of his like conservative shit i was just like i was on the other side legalized weed you know what i mean like say what you want yeah like do what the fuck you want yeah like i so but in recent years it's become like this opposite message. It's like, you know, like freedom of speech. If you agree with us, otherwise we're going to silence you. It's like your body, your choice until it comes to fucking like, you know, taking a fucking jab

Starting point is 01:28:55 and then you have to do it or you're, you know, a fucking piece of shit and like, screw your freedom. And it's just like all this stuff and to me like freedom of speech is the fucking first amendment for a reason like that's important and like everybody's not going to agree with you and it's okay i don't want everybody to agree with me i want people to have their own opinions like i want people to challenge me if they think i'm fucking wrong like i want like people that like have differing views like i don't want an echo chamber of fucking yes men. Like I want like challenges and that's what everybody should want, you know? But like when one side decides to silence another, you look in history, like when did

Starting point is 01:29:35 that happen? The Holocaust. Like you look at like these fucking catastrophic events and how did it happen? Media propaganda, silencing one side, you you know like this idea that we are right and they're wrong and it doesn't matter like what the cost or you know like what we have to do to win and it's like you look in history like with mao with all these like stalin hitler like all these people that have done you know treacherous things killed millions of fucking people and what is the common thread is like you know we're going to take away people's guns we're going to silence them we're going to have the fucking you know propaganda machine you know

Starting point is 01:30:08 promoter agenda whatever and it's like i don't know if you don't see the similarities going on right now it's like a little frightening well people don't realize that extremes also get answered with extremes and the more you make people dig their heels in the more of an extreme position they're going to take right like if i'm like hey dan be open to reason you do that but if i'm like dan don't fucking say anything then you're going to dig in even deeper on whatever position you're holding you're going to entrench yourself and so it's hard to break through that and have a dialogue with people because they get so entrenched in their ideals yeah our country's just gotten more and more divided over the last few years it's kind of like upsetting to see

Starting point is 01:30:39 it's gotten more racist more divided and really like totally unnecessarily you know like everything was fucking fine and like we just had it so fucking good that we just wanted to create a bunch of fucking problems you know like i didn't see any fucking racism i didn't see any fucking homophobia i didn't see any of these fucking issues that every acts is like a fucking national concerns white supremacy is the fucking biggest threat to america i've never even met a fucking skinhead i've met fucking 100 million people probably in my fucking course of my life you know what i mean i've been in the fucking military travel all over the world fucking you know college like you know this that i don't think i've ever met a single fucking

Starting point is 01:31:20 skinhead i'm not saying they don't exist but they're certainly not the fucking number one threat in america like and so to me i just like i just listen to this nonsense the media fucking spews and it's just like a little concerning you know like i remember when i was younger i feel like the journalists had a little bit more integrity or a little bit more of a need to feel like they were going to report the facts or to do their due diligence. And now it's like Denzel said, it's like, you know, it doesn't matter who we heard. It doesn't matter. You know, if it's true, it's just like, just be first, want to be first, want to get clicks. Like we don't care if the headlines are right. As long as people read it, you know what I mean? And it's like, that's what our media has turned into is this like clickbait fucking it's like literally what the national inquire used to be i think it's one

Starting point is 01:32:05 of the worst things about social media because i think social media amplifies that kind of behavior from people that are in the journalistic fields where it's like they they're vying for attention because now they're not competing with a couple other channels they're competing with the world and they're seeing how many people can click and share something as fast as they can based on something that triggers them right like that's the whole goal now is like let me see if i can trigger you so that you share this or promote it or talk about it or comment it or engage in it yeah and it's attention spans have shortened you know it's like what can we do to elicit emotion instead of like reporting a real story and everybody's so used to like these

Starting point is 01:32:39 things that capture your attention and these things that elicit emotion that it's like when they're coming out with headlines they're more interested in like triggering you or eliciting emotion than they are to like actually tell the story and so often they'll just print something that's completely untrue just to get people to click you are very serious about your wellness i'm taking a plot twist here because i want to get specifics. You're very, very detailed about, in the book, you tell us even like how much steroids you're taking. Well, according to my heaviest cycle, yeah. Tell us about if someone wants to take steroids, what's the tips? Well, the first thing would be to get your blood work done.

Starting point is 01:33:18 So establish a baseline, determine whether or not you're even a candidate for doing hormone replacement therapy. I wouldn't recommend just ripping a cycle for anybody. I would recommend like going to a doctor, getting your blood work done, seeing where you're at. Even if you decide like, no matter what my blood work says, I'm getting on steroids. That's fine. Like do what the fuck you want to do. Like, I don't care if you want a mainline Drano, shoot heroin, it's your fucking body, do what the fuck you want with it, but just make an educated decision, right? Like figure out where you are. Like like what if you have a naturally like super high testosterone level and now you go shoot testosterone and now you have to shoot it for the rest of your life like

Starting point is 01:33:54 i mean i do that like people do that like it's a decision you can make but like i wouldn't have done it if i had like a naturally occurring 1100 you know so but you know but you know, everybody's got their choices to make, right? All I'm saying is just do it educated, like go get your blood work, make a decision and then do it correctly. Like do your research, figure out like what, like know what it means. Like if you take too much testosterone, it'll convert to estrogen via aromatization, right? So like if your testosterone aromatized into estrogen, now all of a sudden you've got a higher estrogen in your body, then your body's capable of handling, you're going to grow breast tissue.

Starting point is 01:34:29 You're going to become emotional. You're going to have night sweats. You're going to have trouble sleeping. There's all these things that come with it, right? So you have to know what to look out for. And then there's a pill that you can take to just counteract that, right? So there's things that you can take and you can do this relatively safely if you do it informed.

Starting point is 01:34:44 If you just go haul off and just shoot a bunch of fucking shit in your leg and you can do this relatively safely if you do it informed if you just go haul off and just shoot a bunch of fucking shit in your leg and you don't know like what it is or what to look out for then you can have like irreparable side effects that you'll deal with for the rest of your life like growing female breast tissue as a man like you know it's like counterintuitive you'd think like having a high testosterone level would make you less likely but really like it can turn into estrogen and your body wants to establish some kind of like balance, right?

Starting point is 01:35:08 So if you have super high tests, your body naturally wants to like raise your estrogen to kind of like have somewhat of a balance. And so there's just like, I would say education, you know, education, blood work,

Starting point is 01:35:19 like, you know, finding a doctor that understands hormone replacement therapy and just doing it like safely so that you don't start ripping the cycle. Lauren, I'm going to have to, no, I think testosterone would be fun for you. If you, if there are other wellness practices that you do on a day-to-day basis, like you, you, you do the ice bath. I saw sauna. What else? Yeah, I do a lot. I do, um, saunas, ice baths, I do peptides, I do NAD, I do stretching, I do cardio, I lift weights.

Starting point is 01:35:49 What do you do for cardio? You got to be like so detailed with us. Tell us exactly what you do. I do incline sprints, like 30 second intervals. So like 30 second, like balls to the wall. I like the maximum incline. And then I rest for like a minute and then go do another one. So I do like some HIIT training like that. Other times I'm doing like longer duration lower heart rate stuff so just like incline walking at like three and a half miles an hour are you still doing cycling like you did when you cycled from vegas to la right no no i go for like an hour two hour ride that is so gnarly that you did that talk to us about that the funniest part about that is after you did it what your your commentary on cyclists that was so funny

Starting point is 01:36:30 because they're just huge pussies that overestimate the difficulty of the sport i mean they all said that i had a zero percent chance to do it and i ripped it with like 16 hours to spare and i honestly believe that i could have turned around and gone back like no i'm serious like cycling is just one of those things where it hurts your balls though i would think well your ass like yeah your ass gets really sore and chafed and like can bleed and bruise and yeah i mean like but you're not gonna die like right you can just keep pedaling like i don't know it's like one of those things where like just don't be a pussy and just keep going and you'll fucking bike a lot further than

Starting point is 01:37:05 you think you can i mean certainly a lot easier than running like i don't know i usually it was hard like don't get me wrong like biking 300 miles and you're off the couch you've never ridden more than five miles in your life isn't easy but it just wasn't as hard as everyone told you it was gonna be no they said it was impossible which is like the craziest thing of all it was like absolutely not impossible it was fucking like relatively like easily doable for anybody that like really had fucking serious determination like if i stuck a gun to most people's head that are in reasonable shape like they could just go do it like would it be comfortable no like would they be bleeding would they be fucking have a hard time walking like maybe but like they'd fucking do it like

Starting point is 01:37:44 if i told them i was gonna fucking kill their mother and their family like i bet you most people get on that goddamn bicycle and fucking ride to la what advice did lance give you he was the only person that told me that he thought i could do it so and then the first question i asked him spat out of my mouth before like anything else yeah it was like what's the fucking steroid cycle like what do i do no you didn't want to tell me i was like fuck man i can learn to ride a bike for anybody i want to know the juice well that's a perfect example of like they like they fucking thrashed him for that yeah if i was him i would have been like fuck you i did steroids so did everybody else suck my dick that would have been my apology like you want my medals take them but

Starting point is 01:38:24 i fucking earned them everybody else's juice and fuck you i that that honestly and i think you would have done a lot better with that but you know listen he was getting a lot of heat from a lot of angles and he had sponsors and this and that i just have never been an apology guy you know i mean but you don't say i don't know like i don't like i don't look at what he did as being wrong like everybody was fucking cheating to me it's like do whatever you guys know but the most awkward thing and i think all of us can say anybody that's watched somebody go on these weird apology tours where you know they're not really fucking sorry and they've just been told they have to do it to check a box

Starting point is 01:38:57 they're gonna whip dog to me yeah and it's no it's terrible and we none of us like it's listen again if i say something or do something and i've said a lot of wild shit on here and i'm sorry for and i feel like i've actually hurt someone and you know maybe i misspoke i will apologize and say okay that was in poor taste but if i'm not sorry i'm not gonna say i'm sorry because i'm not fucking sorry yeah i hear you i mean it's also you know different when you're facing it you know and i'm sure he was facing it you know from a lot of different angles and i'm sure it wasn't a fucking, you know, easy thing for him. I mean, I've, I've faced it and I've said, fuck you. So I know what I would do in the spot, but I think a lot more people would cave than

Starting point is 01:39:36 you would expect. You know, I think a lot of people would say they wouldn't, but I think when it comes down, when everybody, you know, it seems like everybody fucking hates you and the media is fucking shitting on you and the fucking world is coming down in your fucking head you're losing your fucking money and your fucking sponsorships are going out the window and this is like the only thing you think you can do to save yourself like be surprised what people do in desperation you know benny binion had a good quote he said people are honest as long as they can afford to be it's a good quote easy to fucking you, do the right thing when, you know, you got a bunch of money and everything's fucking going good.

Starting point is 01:40:07 But when the shit hits the fan and it's like, everybody says like, oh, I wouldn't rat. But when they're facing fucking 50 years to life and they got to fucking, you know, give up one guy and they're going to fucking get, you know, you're going to get five years, they're going to walk. You know, their talk becomes very cheap. So there's a lot of people that talk the talk you know but you find out when the shit hits the fan like who's gonna walk it and so far not a lot of people have said fuck you most people

Starting point is 01:40:34 bend the knee most people apologize sounds like we got a lot of cyclists in this country you said or your dad said in the book that you shouldn't write it and put it out what does he think now does he still think that probably the same thing he doesn't approve too much of what i've done in my life really yeah he doesn't think it's fun and like you don't think there's an element of him that's i mean there's gotta be there's not a normal human being why because he's never drank he never chased pussy he never hung out with the fucking guys like he was and he's not like most guys do that most guys care about those things like most guys that have made hundreds of millions of dollars and buy a ferrari they'd fucking get a nice watch

Starting point is 01:41:17 they're just like i don't know he just is just a very different breed like he also got mad at you which was so funny you like got him out of jail and you gave up your trust to get him out of jail and you'd heard of it you know you think that your dad would be like that's so like commendable son and he was like pissed at you for months he didn't talk to me for six months but it sounds like both of you at the root of it it's tell me if i'm wrong it's maybe a control thing it's like controlling the environment controlling the outcome having predictability like you i think and i was like trying to like understand the relationship between you and your dad and i think you're you obviously pursued different things in him but it's a lot of

Starting point is 01:41:52 it is like building control around and having control in the environment that you're in i think a big part of his motivation was control i think that's why he wanted the money clearly wasn't to get girls it clearly wasn't to fucking buy toys and flashy shit so the only thing that would make sense would be control i mean listen at the end of the day like what are the what are the root you know draws to money it's usually like power girls i mean there's not that many autonomy yeah yeah like not having to fucking listen to anybody's shit like freedom whatever like there's you know there's different draws but at a point you've got freedom like you got 100 million hundred million bucks, you got freedom. Like, why do you need to go to fucking 500 million? You know what I mean? Like there's points where

Starting point is 01:42:30 most people are like, okay, I'm good. Right. So if your goal was like freedom, then you probably stop at 200 million. Right. Like, so I'm just saying like, clearly the goal was not just that, you know, he could have easily had freedom and not had to listen to anybody's shit and do whatever the fuck he wanted with a couple hundred million bucks i mean this is in the 80s dude back when a million bucks you were set like this isn't now or you know you can't even buy a fucking house for a million bucks like back in the 80s you were set with a million so if he had 200 300 or 400 where the fuck he had you know what i mean like lots of fucking millions like he was past that point but he still was working 18 19 hours a day every fucking day like just grinding wanting to make

Starting point is 01:43:10 more you know so it had to be power what else could it be i think there's a lot of people that look at your lifestyle and they envy the lifestyle and they want to know how to get the lifestyle but i think one of the like you kind of end the book talking about pleasure and happiness. And you talk about some of the happiest moments in your life really had nothing to do with money or material things. And I think like for somebody that's been on top of all these mountains and kind of quote unquote, had it all, had the women, had the money, had the experiences, the jets, all of it. Like what, how do you, how do you think about happiness and how do you think about pleasure? I think that pleasure can be stronger pulses, almost more like a drug. And happiness is more of a consistent thing. It's sustainable and they come from different places.

Starting point is 01:43:58 I think you get happiness from success, from helping other people from progression from relationships from bonds from spending time with people you like you get pleasure from most of hedonism you get pleasure from making more money fucking a hot girl getting a fast car like you know having power like there's like a lot of things most of them are like considered sins in the Bible. And most of them are, you know, more in the hedonistic category. And that's why it's so enticing. You know, I don't think that there's a fucking devil and this and that, but I think these are like symbolic of hedonistic desires that don't lead you to the right place.

Starting point is 01:44:43 So I think that you got to be careful when you chase the wrong things that's what i was saying in the book if you guys want a funny ass book i literally laughed out loud especially at the part where you you guys shoved shit up your ass and steroids steroids up your ass not shit up your ass you still blew it all over the girls i read actually did shit out the steroids. Shit in the kitchen sink with the chicken in the sink. You guys got to read this book. It's so funny.

Starting point is 01:45:11 And it's a different perspective. It's fresh. It's raw. It's called The Setup. It's on Amazon. I will put it in my Amazon storefront. Dan, I'm sure people know where to find you, but if they want to find you

Starting point is 01:45:22 and they want to check out what you're doing, where is that? The new website, all the website all the things yeah we're gonna start a website called sigma society should be should be good for these people what are you gonna do exactly basically just help them get what they want out of their life they want to get in better shape if they want to you know have better relationships if they want to be able to fuck girls if they want longer yeah i mean i can give advice on a lot of different things you know mindset the whole know, have better relationships if they want to be able to fuck girls if they want. Last longer. Yeah, I mean, I can give advice on a lot of different things, you know, mindset, the whole kind of like perspective, having a good routine, you know, a lot of things.

Starting point is 01:45:54 But basically the premise of it is you fill out a thing, you tell us what you want, and we give you a roadmap to get there. Cool. And where can they, it's called, say what the website is? Sigma Society. Okay. It's not up yet, but it is sigma society okay it's not up yet but it'll be it's not up yet and if they want to get your ignite those are on the website in the u.s and then we're in like i think 30 countries right now so strawberry banana is so cute it's pink

Starting point is 01:46:18 yeah dan thanks for taking the time and thanks for coming on appreciate you taking the time. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate you taking the time. You guys go check out his book. Today is a huge fucking giveaway. A huge one. We are giving away the entire collection of the Skinny Confidential products. I barely do this, but I did a birthday giveaway and I thought I would extend it to the podcast. All you have to do to win the entire Skinny Confidential collection. And that means an ice roller, pink balls, a razor, my book, driving gloves, the planner, everything, is tell us your favorite part of this episode with Dan on his latest Instagram at Dan Bilzerian. That is at D-A-N-B-L-I-Z-E-R-I-N on Instagram. Then head over to my Instagram at Lauren Bostick

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