The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Darin Olien On Fatal Conveniences, & How To Make Minor Changes That Massively Impact Your Life, Health, & Wellbeing

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her. Aha! Everyone listening right now will have resistance to almost everything I have in that book. Because we have all gotten used to a way that we are. And then we prescribe that to ourselves every day. We anchor that in.

And now that habit is either helping us or it's harming us. We get so used to feeling a certain way that we don't have an impetus of change. But then when you look at the startling things in this book was the very fabric of our evolution as a human is being disrupted. Welcome back, everybody, to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. Today, we are absolutely going down the rabbit hole once again with Darren O'Lean, the new author of Fatal Conveniences, the Toxic Products and Harmful Habits That Are Making You Sick and the Simple Changes That Will Save Your Health. Many of you guys may know Darren. He has been spending nearly 20 years exploring the planet, discovering new and underutilized exotic foods and medicinal plants as a superfood hunter. Yes, we get into that as well. He just did a series

with Zac Efron on Netflix, which I'm sure many of you have seen. And we cover a lot of ground with Darren. I think this is one of our favorite episodes that we've done in a long time, whether it's environmental toxins, EMFs, we talk about superfoods, we talk about base levels of nutrition, we discuss the differences between plant-based and meat-based diets. And he's obviously a plant-based practitioner himself. And we talk about the proper nutrition needed if you're going to choose that diet. And we just had a ton of fun with Darren. He's an open book. And like I said, we really went down the rabbit hole

into so many different topics with him as we do on this show. Darren is also the host of the wildly popular podcast, The Darren O'Lean Show, where he curiously explores people, solutions, and health, as well as life's fatal conveniences. And like I said, we just had a ton of fun with this guy. So check it out. Check out his new book as well, Fatal Conveniences. It'll keep you up at night. Darren, welcome to the Skinny Confidential,

him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Darren, I have to say the office is buzzing with you coming in. REA Katie, I think is your number one fan. Number one. Not to put you on blast, Katie. I'm stoked to have the number one. Meet my number one. She came in. She said, hey, I got them all warmed up. I was chatting them up out there.

I don't know what she was saying to you. But thanks so much for making the trip out here, man, and coming on. I think we're going to go down the rabbit hole here a bit. Okay. So let's get some context and background of you. Talk to us about how you even got into this. 30 years ago. My father, who was a university professor and obviously my first male mentor in my life, I was in college finishing nutrition physiology degree. And all of a sudden,

I kind of got a call and he started explaining i think i have pinned down why i'm having brain fog and lack of energy and i can't think i was like because he was like talking about stuff like that and through a few doctors of his they they diagnosed him with multiple chemical sensitivity so and it was hard it was frankly hard to believe because it's like i've known him obviously all my life and all of a sudden he's talking about i can't wear a t-shirt i can't i can't be in a room that has new carpets new paints i can't wear any fragrances shampoos conditioners all of that and then over time before the internet right my dad would put vhs tapes and and find research and start educating me on the chemicals that

had no safety data and and cut to kind of reverse engineering why him. He was one of the keepers of the dragon in the Cuban Missile Crisis with the atomic bomb. So he was exposed to a lot of radiation. And so his thyroid was compromised, which I knew. And so once you start altering your endocrine system, as we will talk more about, it's the operating system of

the body and so with an alcoholic background with his liver being challenged created a an opportunity for him to have this happen in a sense and i and i say opportunity because it educated me it started and then throughout the years I would run into researchers starting to talk about 25 years ago starting to show me research on emfs and it scared the shit out of me on on cell phones up to the head and blood brain barrier and all of these things so kind of a on the path of the health world i was in this has been playing and so now you know you spend we spend all our time trying to you know eat great optimize our health even biohacking but if this invisible world that even though my dad was a severe case the evidence is very clear that it's affecting all of us i think one of the problems of why people are so resistant to this is nostalgia i because when i

try to have this conversation with like people who like use a certain cleaning supply it's like they're almost nostalgic and romantic about the windex or the Clorox or the fucking tree in the car that smells like strawberries. And so they almost have this like nostalgia, nostalgic association to the product. And I think like the conversation starting to be more open, but at first it's jarring. So I guess my question for you is when he brought these things up about how he couldn't be in a room with new carpet or paint, were you like, you're crazy? Of course.

Yeah. We all were, the whole family. So how did you guys take that in and actually open your mind to him saying that? Well, it was time and learning. I would be willing to read what he was sharing with me and you'd see the data and then you would see these news articles

that he would find or on the television and then start to talk to their doctors a little bit. Really, the biggest difference was if I was going to see him from college, so I'd drive back home an hour and a half in Minnesota, I would have to prepare myself to wear these things that didn't have sense that he would send me. So the conditioner, what I would wash my clothing in, I'd have to change all of that just so I could be in the same room with him. So upon doing it, I then realized, even though I didn't realize, these things were affecting me. Because once you cut it out and then you bring it back in, you're immediately more sensitive. For me, I like certain detergents out. And now when

someone's around me that has a detergent, it's so off putting, I can't even give them a hug. Yeah. You know, I was probably, I probably before doing this show fell into that resistant class of people. I was not nostalgic about the Windex, but- Are you sure? I feel like it was in your soup. You might have heard it. But I would probably, I met a lot of this stuff with, I'm sure, many of the responses that you see daily with people just being extremely skeptical and saying, hey, maybe this is in your mind. But it wasn't until Lauren, she moved all of our household cleaning supplies. She changed our detergent. She changed what we sleep in, like all of it, and to her credit. And now to your

point, I notice that stuff way more and I don't like it when I'm around. And I think it's one of those things where we're good as humans at adapting to our environments. And if there's something uncomfortable, you just get used to it. I was talking to somebody about this as it relates to alcohol. A lot of people that drink frequently, you really don't know what it's like until you remove it for an extended period of time, how much different your life is. And I imagine the same thing with some of this stuff that we're talking about or going to talk about, which is it just becomes people's new norm and they don't realize how much better they can

feel if they just make a couple changes. 100%. And I think that's the plus and the minus of being human, right? There was a survey done 15 years ago where you asked everyday average people, hey, how are you feeling? Most people would say between one and 10, 10 being the best. Most people, no matter the economic class, no matter the job, they'll all say, yeah, pretty good, seven to eight. To that point, we get used to that stuff. Just like exercise, right? When you add up some exercise and you lose some weight or do whatever to make that adjustment, the challenge is the action and breaking that nostalgia, breaking that kind of apathy to then take a step. Everyone listening right now will have resistance to almost everything I have in that book,

right? Because we have all gotten used to a way that we are. And then we prescribe that to ourselves every day. We anchor that in. And now that habit is either helping us or it's harming us. But either way, we're used to it. And that's just what it smells like. My car is supposed to smell this way. My clothes, this is how my mom washed and it's what it smelled like before. So there is this very powerful dopamine thing that you're going against. But if you're willing to take a different step and to challenge that, then you have the possibility of feeling better than you thought you were feeling. So the point is that we get so used to feeling a certain way that we don't have an impetus of change. But then when you look at the startling things in this book was the very fabric of our evolution

as a human is being disrupted, right? The endocrine system, the motility of sperm, the testosterone plummeting. So we're doing all of these things in the face of literally our existence, the very thing that moves us forward as a human species. And yet we don't want to change those simple things. And I don't know what the answer is because I know this book is intense in that way but if you're willing to take one of those things and suspend a little uncomfortable to align and integrate something that you know could be better then you're gambling and betting that you will feel better and then that snowball effect and I love that scenario because during the book I was like moms have to know this information the because they're

running the household right so? So we're stubborn. Most men, we just get locked in. And the fact that you took on this and then changed the household, and then you were able to reap the benefits in spite of yourself. I just want to take a minute to thank myself. She's going to go on a tangent here. This motherfucker had, you're going to die, had the trash, the trash, what's the, the bags, the scented trash bags.

Those are the worst. Listen, those are the worst because now you're taking trash, which is already gross and you're putting it in a scented trash bag. But here's the thing. I didn't even know that existed. I think the majority, I don't want to say even, I think of people in the world go to the cleaning aisle, specifically in the grocery store or supermarket or wherever, and they just grab what they think is on the shelves.

Because they think it's been tested. Yeah. We talked about this a lot on this other episode where it's like, you just assume if it's on a shelf that it must be healthy. It's been tested and then there's an agency that's got your back as much as your mom would. So I can spend my hard-earned money and get this product that, yeah, of course. So of course I want my trash to smell better. But you don't realize there's hundreds of chemicals, likely carcinogenic and endocrine disrupting.

And there's a plausible deniability that allowed it to be there. That as long as that company's not testing it, they're like, I don't know if it's bad. But they still get to sell it. Lauren and I have the benefit of speaking to people like yourself regularly. And I think that if we didn't, like one of the benefits of this show is I get to have these conversations and it gets drilled into my head. We had Ken Cook on the show, who's the head of the EWG. It went through all of that. And you just don't realize as a consumer, as a normal consumer, all the stuff that slips

through the cracks. And I said this less eloquently on another show and it got broken down to a clip. And by no means am I an expert. I bring people like you on. But I said that I have a hunch that our environment is far outpacing our evolution and the environments we're creating for us and our systems are just not built to be able to keep up with the pace of technology and chemicals that we're producing in the world now and i think that's why people are having so many health issues bingo not even close right not even close being

able to where it's just this gnarly experiment i love that you had ken on because obviously ewg has been kicking some ass for a long time trying to raise the alarm and we should we it should be out there even more the fact that we have to have agencies like this books written like that the fact that that is even a thing means that these systems have radically failed us, right? That we haven't had the testing, the proof of safety first before it is on that shelf. It's ridiculous. Just everyone for a second, pause with that. That they don't have to prove that the product is safe before they market it,

usually some sort of greenwash wash and sell it to you and your children and then they name it oh like green thumb right that's the green wash the green they name it something green and like you're saying they they put like a they make it white so it looks really clean and they make it they'll say like no parabens or some shit on it and it's just a hoax yeah so you really do have to be your own guru i would love to know when you started learning all this information from your father what were some really easy tangible things that you did to kick this off because i love love how intense everything you say is, but I want to first give the audience some easy little things that they can immediately change that worked for

you. Vinegar in the laundry as a laundry detergent. And that's an easy one, essential oils, right? That's a super simple one to do, especially when I have dogs, Around my dad, it was coconut oil. It also has a natural SPF of seven, roughly five to nine, people say, and the research shows. Those kinds of things. Then one thing I would recommend for anybody anybody people are going to hate this fragrance free just get rid of it all get rid of because the loopholes around fragrances because of the proprietary language they get a pass right so they get a pass to they don't have to disclose and so many studies that I cited in the book show that they're likely carcinogens of over a hundred different chemicals as well as endocrine disruptors so just get rid of the fragrance right and if you want a fragrance

then go to an essential oil go to a rose hydrosol like go that direction so imagine it's you know it's all you know ultra processed food is one thing but it's also ultra processed products and all of this stuff where the greatest part about i think this book and EWG is the elimination of toxicity over time and then the inclusion of products like an essential oil in terms of this example of a fragrance. It can actually lower your sympathetic response, your stress response, and upregulate your parasympathetic response, calm you down. So you're eliminating as well as upregulating your body and your body system at the same time. What are the three most intense,

gnarliest things that you say in this book? Give us some ones that you were like, this is going to be disruptive. This is taboo. This is nuts. People are going to think I'm nuts, but i don't give a shit i'm gonna say it as i wave my sharpie that i'm now like oh i need a non-toxic marker yeah yeah there's so many you know many times i swore writing this book i was on my deck outside writing on the weekends usually i could get a lot done and i just staring at this research so you know and i

know a little bit about this stuff but you're reading the studies and going how is this possible you know earlier even before the book the dental floss pissed me off so bad i don't know why that glide dental floss that's easy to slide in between is full of PFAS. Oh, great. You think you're doing your gums a favor, and you're literally putting all these chemicals up into your gums. Do you do water pick? Water pick's great, yeah.

Or what about a toothpick? Yeah, good old-fashioned toothpick. I love a guy with a toothpick? Yeah, good old-fashioned toothpick. I love a guy with a toothpick. There is nothing hotter than a guy with his, the windows rolled down, his arms up, and he's got a toothpick. Carson, please make a note to grab me a pack of toothpicks, please. Non-toxic toothpicks. Okay, go ahead.

Oh my God, you're going to change the, I'm investing in toothpicks. Let's just make sure that they don't have formaldehyde and everything else right so let's get a we'll sort i'm good at sourcing so we can source and i'm in done side there's a lot of business i've gone into that i never thought toothpicks would be right up there so that's a really good one the dental floss give us another one well the rabbit hole of electromagnetic fields great it is so gnarly the let me just say i don't know if we have time to unpack the telecommunication system let's do it this is bigger i believe than the tobacco industry punting that research lying to the public for 40 years. When I was looking into, again, some of the first studies I was exposed to, pun intended,

was 25 years ago around electromagnetic radiation of a cell phone, right? So when I started this chapter, the more I would dig in, the more I was like, okay, there's telecommunication, there's 5G, but then there's the history of electrification. So I have to consume a lot of information so I can kind of more appropriately make a chapter out of it. So I went all the way into the history of electrification that

scared the shit out of me. They knew when you put a wire in a wall, it has magnetic radiation and frequency generation, right? And there was studies i was reading of school houses not grounded properly cell phone towers even regular electric towers next to houses and homes and schools connected to children's leukemia so this this stuff went and it went, the history went all the way back to the first telegraph, they started to see mammals and birds being affected by this stuff. So it goes so deep. And then when you start talking about 1g, 2g, 3g, 4g, 5G, the data of safety

is based on your proximity of thermal burning. It's not even taking into the effect the field effect that it has, the frequency. What is that frequency? What is the magnetic radiation coming off of that?

And I'll just say this. In 1993, and I was reading PDF faxes, naturally the EMFs fell on, the electrification EMFs, the 1G, 2G, all this stuff, the emerging of that world fell on the EPA, Environmental Protection Agency. So they started doing their own studies. There was a researcher that was also from the telecommunication companies that was leading a lot of the research. He came back seeing all these issues with exposure, proximal exposure. The closer these EMFs are to us, the closer the cell phone is,

the closer the Wi-Fi router, and duration, and I'll unpack some of the issues with that, really creates problems. It's non-ionizing, and that's where this whole crap gets thrown around. Ionizing radiation, we know, acutely rips apart DNA. What's an example of ionizing radiation? What would a source be? An x-ray. That's why they put freaking lead on your lap so it doesn't nuke your nuts.

It's like that meme of the doctor saying no problem and then he runs and hides behind the wall they casually x-ray you when you go to the dentist which is like so pointless in my opinion right blast your face full of radiation right so okay but then they say non-ionizing but through the research, in many of these studies I cite, there's hundreds of studies that... Okay, let me finish the story of the EPA. So he came back with all of this information about stress response in the body. And I'll unpack some of what that is. And he wrote a letter.

I was reading the PDF letter. I don't know how I found it. I couldn't find it again after I kind of wrote it. So I'm not saying that was a conspiracy. I'm just saying I just couldn't find it. It took me days and days and days to find some of this stuff. And he said, okay, here's the warning we should tell people. So they have informed consent on devices that clearly now are coming out and the internet and all of this stuff. Overnight, the funding was let go of the EPA. it's still 20 years old. The safety data is based on thermal proximity. It's not based on any of the frequency or the magnetic radiation.

So are you saying they almost kind of don't want to investigate it? Because if they investigate it, they know something's going to show up. Possible deniability. And that's throughout this book. From your deodorant to a cell phone. Do we need more tests? Yes. Yeah, that's a good idea. Punt it.

That's what the tobacco industry did. Yes, of course, we need more tests. Punt it. And they just keep saying that. And they keep saying that. And they keep saying that. And they don't't reveal and they don't test their own product because if they did all of these other tests hundreds of tests that have been done on it would show that this is dangerous some of the dangers going back to one of the things that freaked me out, we have barriers in the body.

Of course, leaky gut, the barriers in the body, exposure to glyphosate and stress can open up the gut barrier. We know what can happen there. Placental barrier. We used to think, I heard in the 70s and even the 80s, the baby's pretty much always fine because the evolution is going to protect that baby. Nothing's going to pass through the placental border. All those things, the gut, placental border, we now know know that ewg did a great research and showed that there was over 200 mostly carcinogenic chemicals and compounds in the placenta and the umbilical cord of every child being born so that's a lie theF, this is what scared me. It opened up the blood brain barrier.

Like you start opening up that, you're going to have all kinds of problems, right? And so that exposure, it was showing things like proteins, albumin that wasn't supposed to be in the brain and the brain. Those kinds of things scared the shit out of me and so the other stress response was clear just cellular stress response free radical oxygen species increased motility proclamation cell phone proclamation to genitals like you got to take the cell phone off the dick. Off the dick. There was another study. Huberman just said that too.

People are finally starting to actually take that seriously. I think so. I was actually, it was a real thing. So Andrew Huberman, I saw him at a party, mutual friend of ours party, and he started to dive into the EMFs and it was right when I finished that chapter and he turned to me and he said well after the research i saw as well and we were going back

and forth i'm never putting my cell phone in my pocket he did an episode on it yeah and the car when he puts his phone on his on his nuts i say please take those off my future children yeah yeah well it's it's a thing when i see people around me and they just casually hear and there was another study with a woman in the breast tissue and they're right where the actual antenna was for the phone she had a tumor and that's just n of one but there was many studies also showing the stress response of the breast tissue. And again, approximation, right? It's on your body. The fine print of a cell phone says,

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If I'm going to put it on in my pocket, it's on airplane mode. So I'm never leaving it on my body. Or I don't. I never take a call up to my head. Ever, never, will never happen. Never an AirPod, i'm assuming no no bluetooth no bluetooth is the same frequency as the cell phone just not as much of the strength okay so what are your speakerphone guy speakerphone or air tubes so air number one, plug back in. Is air tube there just a corded one?

Yes. So cord, fine. If you have air tubes, there's actually an air tube that break the cord and the volume and the, you can still hear, right? But the EMFs don't go through it. So I wear those or I'm on a speaker. And where is your phone when you wake up and where is your phone when you go to bed? My phone is off on my desk. Okay. And my Wi-Fi is off when I go to bed. So there's a great company, Tech Wellness.

Is it like a kill switch? Yeah. August is amazing. So I found her while I was digging for solutions and all of this stuff. I mean, plugging back in at your home, plugging back in, you can do all of that stuff. But air tubes, there's also an amazing device again a big solution i

found this guy digging into the research a german guy made this incredible toroidal field i know it sounds woo-woo but it's scientifically backed but makes a field effect and it depolarizes the polarizing radiation so it has less harm on the physical body. It's a device. I travel with it. I travel with the one on the plane and I have one in my home. So I do all things. I turn it off. I turn the wifi off and I have these devices that help. What's this device called exactly? Waveguard, a key shield, QI. I want to ask you a question as it relates to your father, because I'm sure there's still

some people listening to this saying, hey, I don't feel any effects. And I wonder if in your father's case, he was exposed to so many things that his system just was overridden and it couldn't then handle it. So I guess what I'm asking is, are some people's constitutions not able to handle things and others are maybe less sensitive and they're able to not notice some of the effects of this? Because maybe some people are listening like, I've never felt anything. And I guess there's some nuance there.

Totally. And that's going back to the human strength of us. Just because we don't feel it doesn't mean it's not occurring. Why do you take a vitamin do you feel the vitamin when you consume it no but you're trusting it right so so that's kind of the thing so my dad yeah he was he was his his liver was compromised his thyroid was compromised so it's like think of it as a cup that's full any extra stress this is stress if anything anyone walks away all of these things are perceived stress on the body and so he he couldn't deal with any anything else so that's where it was

really challenging but it doesn't mean that these things aren't causing your body harm sure right and that's where the motility do you feel when your sperm isn't working well you know do you know that your testosterone is low unless you test it or your energy's low and even females bone density and testosterone metabolism all of that stuff you don't it's a it's a slow hurt over time endometriosis doesn't just show up like these things are estrogen related dominances that have been hitting us in a multitude of directions i also think you don't know what you don't know if you've never gotten all these things if you've never been in the right environment for these things not to thrive, you maybe don't know how it feels. And an example is we had the guy from Test My Home. He's amazing.

Oh, nice. He's totally your vibe. Come over to our house. And he said, I'm going to kill your power and your EMF. And I want you to see if you feel a difference. So we stood in the kitchen and he killed everything in the house. The Wi-Fi, the power, everything. And immediately your body, your parasympathetic, I think, relaxes. And I can't explain it and I wouldn't have known

that my body wasn't relaxed until he did that. Exactly. It goes back to full circle what we were just talking about. You don't know what you don't know and you get used to it. It's like when I go from my hills in Malibu to New York, holy shit. Even in here, it's a different stress.

Even though Austin, it's a nice city. But that is the issue. That's the thing that you're walking around in this stress. You're a mammal. You're a biological frequency machine. That's what you are. We have electrical things that we have created that are showing up in all of this research that's showing stress. And I think it is important to do. There's building by, I just did this for a friend of mine in Colorado. He was like, yeah, I'm not sleeping well. And I don't know what's going on. I go, do you sleep with your wifi on? And so I said, call this guy. He was a building biologist. He came to his house.

His house was a, might as well have been a power station, right? It was just whacked because he had all of the, he had all of the biohacking and the saunas and the thing and everything was on and the little devices he was wearing for his sleep. So the guy came in and shut it all down. The guy slept for like 11 hours the next day. So he didn't know what he didn't know unless he was willing to take that action.

So that's the tough quote unquote pill to swallow is that you don't know, but if you're willing to take at least one step then you can have an opportunity to maybe maybe realize that i wonder maybe my migraine is contributing or is is being affected by some of these things maybe my sleep patterns maybe my trying to get pregnant if you start to eliminate some of this stuff, it's amazing what the change could be. How do you inform people the way you do without having them go off the edge and just be scared of the world?

I mean, obviously, you're scaring them to a degree and informing them. How do you make it so that somebody is not going to bed in a tinfoil hat and wrapping themselves in a space blanket? I would go to bed in a tinfoil hat and wrapping themselves in a space blanket. I would go to bed in a tinfoil hat though if it got rid of the humus. There's Faraday cages or canopies you can put on your bed. And I know many people,

especially people in apartments and stuff, you can't turn off someone else's Wi-Fi. They do that. And you got 12. Even in this building if i brought my meter we would all you'd be jacked up yeah yeah be jacked i mean listen i think because i know when people look at this stuff and you start reading even though it's like you don't know what you don't know and then once you know it, you're like, holy shit, every direction. It's a weird world because you and I and all of us listening, we're born into these systems.

And these systems were here well before us. And so let's not be a victim to them. Let's empower ourselves for them. If people are overwhelmed, hell, open the book, read one page, learn something, and just apply that. The last third of this book is all solutions. I'm not saying I have a cell phone. I use it. I just use it more wisely. I think of this as stress, all of this stuff. So I minimize my stress. It's like exercise. Once you start feeling stronger, once you start having better clarity of mind, once you start integrating, then you can take the next step and the next step and just adding.

I think of this as the other side of biohacking. We need to hack our way out of the modern world that we're unconsciously walking into because it is affecting those very systems that people are doing blood tests for, tracking their sleep for. But the elimination of this modern day products that have no interest in your best interest is kind of the pushback. And my optimism ultimately comes by way of these conversations and of your audience listening because they're listening to you because you're giving them good information right and so those people if they tell their people and they similar to you they go home make a change they're turning the wi-fi off no one knew that the mom just decided to do it and their kids

are sleeping better they're deeper in sleep like their their husband's less angry like mom's turning off the wi-fi tonight i don't know how the fuck i'm doing it you're gonna have to tell me what to do the switch where's the switch unplug it i'm gonna unplug it yeah if you don't have the remote because you can plug plug it right into a remote or a timer. Like a kill switch type thing. Kill switch, yeah. Or just literally go and unplug it. So, when it comes to how all this relates to food and beverage, do you have similar information there?

Ultra-processed food. Do you have similar information there? I've been plant-based for 17 years or so. It's just about, again, this ultra-processed food that is literally created as hyper-palatable food so that you consume more of it. So if you just took that away, you would take care of most of those. What foods are the biggest offenders? I mean, fast food, clearly. And then the little twist of it is that food doesn't stick to the packaging.

This is where another zinger happened. Takeaway, the food wrapping, guess what that's dosed in? Here comes PFAS again. So PFAS is heat-resistant. It's slippery. This is just for context. This is a derivative teflon this is connected to kidney disease testicular cancer diabetes endocrine disrupting so it's the food

ultra processed food have you been showing pfos in it phthalates in it, parabens, all kinds of stuff, not to mention just the fake food that it is. Let's say you order, I'm just making this up, you order the broccoli salad with all the good vegetables and maybe you get some grass-fed meat on top and the meat's hot and you and you order this beautiful 25 lunch and you get it and then there's plastic around it that's hot it's melting into your food and also who knows what kind of pan it's been cooked in i mean you really have to be aware and do your own research yeah and think about i mean a lot of this stuff we've gotten used to. If I were given one thing to do, if I could gently or maybe not so gently shake back the common sense in people. Because you're right. Plastic is petroleum, right?

So it's oil. And then to make it into a shape, they use phthalates, plasticizers, chemicals, solvents, all of that stuff. It's really good at its job. Obviously, it's really cheap so then when you take something hot and you put it up against it it naturally is going to come into the food you know a good buddy of mine troy swope started a company and he he came from yale and then he worked at Intel and I'll get to the incredible work that he's doing right now he was working on circuit boards and they were testing chemicals of off gassing of all kinds of adhesives plastics and it would hurt the circuit board so he they had a chemistry profile and a

testing protocol that was like like like nothing anyone's seen. He had takeaway show up one day. He saw his food wrapped in plastic and cause he, all these plasticizers and plastics he was working with and it was hurting the circuit. And all of a sudden light bulb went off. He took the food and started testing it on on in his lab and he saw all of the same chemicals in his food he started a new company using plant fibers and everything else creating new packaging walmart mcdonald's car con agra all these companies signing on he's now creating another company

he's doing that right now yeah he's creating another company where they've already cracked the code on an healthy form of pfos using algae right so this is the hope we are a victim of the system so we are it comes in plastic our hot soup is like you know it's it's it's crazy so we're just consuming endocrine disrupting chemicals and plasticizers and likely carcinogens these are the things so what do you? Well, eliminate as much as you can take away food and ultra-processed food. Go back into the kitchen, prepare your meals. It sounds like what you're saying is we really have to get back to the basics. We've almost optimized and biohacked our way into… Oblivion. Oblivion, it's time to go back. We're going the wrong way.

Yeah, we got to come back. We got to come back. You mentioned saunas. Is there something weird about the sauna that we need to know? Well, infrared saunas can be an electromagnetic radiation device. Great, I did it for an hour this morning. Right. Well, but most of them are on to it. I haven't dug into all of them. Most of them are doing

proper grounding, remediation techniques, so you're not sitting in an EMF soup. So it doesn't mean that what you're sitting in is harmful. So just go back to the company and see what they're saying about it. And also, easiest thing to do, if you really want to know, get a little device. I can share the one that I use and just go in there and turn it on. And then you'll turn it on. If you're walking around my house

with this device, Michael's going to think I'm... It's a Sunlighten. We have no partnership with them. So I'm... Sunlighten, I think... I think they're pretty good though. Yeah, I think they are

because I... It was 2016. I had a Sunlighten. I think they're pretty good though. Yeah, I think they are because it was 2016. I had a Sunlighten and I think I did some tests on it. I do like the barrels better. I just like that the barrels get hotter. We just had someone on who was really into eating meat. And we've yet to have someone who is plant-based for as long as you have been plant-based. I have no opinion on either way.

I just, I know what works for me. You obviously know what works for you. I would love to hear your experience with being plant-based for 17 years. I'm really interested in that. Well, I'll tell you the context. I have a physiology and nutrition background, and I was a normal kid from Minnesota like I was an athlete and I always bought into the idea to my digestion I was maybe started to bug me around 26 or something so then I started kind of reading food stacking when to eat proteins went to not and then i was like i remember you know when autophagy happens and senescence happens the body doesn't want to get rid of amino acids when you're when

they're in a fasted state any state so when you're just when that's when that's happening yeah when senescence essentially is happening when your body is no law it's done with that cell that's made of proteins lipids everything else it upcycles amino acids as a part of the preservation because it's harder there's a lot of effort it takes to get proteins sure right so i remember that i'm like huh interesting and so as i was kind of not feeling good this was way you know when i was 26 years old and i was i remembered that and i said well you know there's a lot of toxins in food and there there therein lies the fatal convenience i'm like this heavy metals and the and the fish and like and the the

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So then cut to I'm superfood hunting for 20 years. I'm literally running around the globe, fascinated and curious, finding the most nutrients. And how does one begin to superfood hunt? I know it's funny. It's funny even saying that as it comes out of my mouth, because I didn't give myself that title. It came, but a Businessweek article came and this guy. And maybe even just describe what a superfood is. playing around with stuff and food and optimizing for training and for, I was doing some triathlons and everything else. So I was optimizing, I was playing around with superfoods at the time. I lost my dad and it was just like, stop messing around, like get to work. So I shifted gears and I really was like, I'm going to make this a business because the, I want to make this a business because what I'm really finding is incredibly fascinating in terms of nutrient dense foods, foods that people weren't using.

I was sick of looking at supplements and not seeing the integrity lineup because I was like, why are they using this flow agent, this paraben, this glycol? Why are they using these things that are clearly not healthy and then the product itself was so neutered by the time the product it was in the bottle or the package it just a light bulb went off and the minnesota kind of simple kid came out and said, well, where is the maca? Where is the sasha inchi? Where is the unidigado? Where is the Incanberry? Where is the camu camu?

Where is it? I got to meet the farmer, right? So I come from farmers. My dad taught at the university, taught a lot of farmers how to manage. I'm going to the source. Yeah. So it innocently started. Well, I'm going to create some products. I'm going to bring these things out, but I got to meet the farmer.

I got to know how it's processed. We've got to preserve the incredible compounds that are there, really there, and that have been used for potentially 20,000 years when you look at Ayurveda and Ashwagandha and things like that. So I was like, I'm not going to just create a product and then market it. I'm going to create a product that works. So I went, first trips, I went to South America and hired a guy, Miguel Beruman. He still works for me, works for Barucas. I think I give you guys Barucas. I got to give you guys my nuts.

I would love some of your nuts. I've never been excited, this excited to have nuts. I cannot wait to try. I don't know, you looked pretty excited the other night. Anyways. So that started the journey of you go to South America, you go to the Amazon, you go to the Andes. Next thing you know, I walk away with not only knowledge of the certain botanicals I was looking into, but 25 other ones that I was able to look, feel, touch, see, understand, meet the farmer, meet the collector, meet the forger, meet the medicine man.

And so it just became this. And so I got more formulating. I got, and then I, then the parts of, uh, of it were like, wow, I could affect their life if I can make a product for them because they're doing it authentically. So then it became this mission of. Affect the farmer's life. You mean? Yeah.

Affect their life in a positive way. Do this right. So that the consumer actually is consuming the, the medicinal powerful compounds that is innately in these plants. So cut to all over the freaking world, got hired by Beachbody, created Shakeology, kept formulating stuff, kept doing stuff, all these things. So that's a long way of answering the plant-based thing. So I'm exposed and exposing myself to some of the greatest nutrient dense plants in the world. So then I was always like, okay, there's nutrients in meat, but how did it get there? In relation to that conversation, I see, I was reading the back of your book and

it's two of the endorsements are Rich Roll and Max Lugavere who have both, they've both been on this show and we know them, but both have completely different perspectives on diet as you all know. And I think this is a question that's very relevant, especially with someone who's practiced a plant-based diet as long as you have. What mistakes do you think people who practice plant-based make in terms of getting proper nutrients? Because I think some of the people that have come on and have maybe gone the other way and failed is it sounds like some of them don't get the nutrient sustainability that they need. And it might be because maybe they're not practicing the way that you do.

I think the ultra processed part of it, the fake meats, I have no, I think is ridiculous too. Like when they're home growing? No, like beyond. Yeah, beyond and all of that stuff. It's just an ultra processed version of ultra processed food that I'm that I'm like, I think it's horrible. Like they make, Michael, they take like pepperoni and they make it like a fake processed. No, no. I've seen it. The packaging in itself is questionable. Yeah. So if you're a plant-based person and not eating many plants and just eating a bunch of

ultra-processed, you're going to sprint towards your own demise for sure. And if you're not eating a wide variety of food, which is the demise of us anyway, we all have a handful of fruits and vegetables that we eat when our ancestors ate from 30 to 300 throughout the year, right? So we've lost that foraging. We've lost the flow, the rhythm of what is available at nature, from nature at the time that it is. We're not growing our own food. So I think people should grow their own food or at least know where their food's from, go to the farmer's markets, eat whole food, whole, fresh food. So that's usually where people and then from a superfood side of it from a nutrient dense side of it from we are all under stress then you know from

1930s 1940s there was a study from 1950 to 1999 all of these things they looked at soil they knew that the nutrient density, the way we were farming, they knew that we were losing nutrients. So we all are losing nutrients by the way our system is. So that's where the superfood side of it is. Let's get packed nutrient density to fill the gaps, not only from an adaptogenic standpoint because of stress and stress response and remediation of some of that stress and the stress on the body, but I think mostly it's the ultra processed side of things where people start losing the qualities of, and you can do that both plants or or animals what are three super

foods that someone can go online and order today that are super easy to order maybe you could share brands well it depends on what they want i mean do we plump skin we want things that support toning that's very very clear clear. And weight loss. We want, what else do we want? We want to feel good. We want to have energy. We want to sleep well. We want everything to be solved.

And I want my husband to forage. Forage. Forage. Forage. Forage. Forage. Forage. There's one superfood that can do it all.

Just kidding. There isn't. I'm like, where? Well, since we're moving into the fall season and collagen, it's a hot topic, but if you don't have high amounts of vitamin C, you cannot produce natural collagen. So you say vitamin C, ascorbic acid no bueno right so go to high nutrient rich vitamin c so a superfood that comes from the amazon one of my favorites camu camu right so that's a great great pr for camu camu. Yeah. So, I mean, I've known Zach, the owner of Navitas over there. He sources great.

He's known some of the people I've known in the Amazon for over 15 years as well. I'm not affiliated with Zach other than I'm a fan of those guys over there. So you can get a pack of whole bag of powdered camu camu that has a certain high amount of vitamin c and you can add it to smoothies and you can add it to that so and you can mix it with your collagen because it's going to make that work better right potentially so would you mix it with collagen or would you just have it plain? I wouldn't. Okay. Yeah.

You're saying if you have high vitamin C, you'll be able to produce collagen on your own efficiently. Got it. I'm always about the foundation first. Got it. Right? Because so many people jump steps. You jump steps of health. And you haven't, you know, testosterone replacement therapy for men is so huge right now but if they're

not looking at the fatal conveniences of cell phones off the pocket parabens phthalates everything that's lowering testosterone also some great research i know that you can find research for anything but some of the research i saw over 10 years ago was high amounts of meat action. I was actually involved in a study where we took people, men and women, men off of meat and dairy for three weeks. Their testosterone, men's testosterone went up by over 30%. And then I looked at other studies and it was peer-reviewed studies that backed up our little study that showed eliminating meat

increased men's testosterone. So, you know, points to ponder on that stuff. So that to say, we jump steps. There's guys my age, 30 years old, using testosterone, for example. Because we're low in testosterone, there's a guy my age, 30 years old, using testosterone, for example. Because we're low in testosterone, there's a lot of foundational things in our systems, in our global system, and in our body systems that we need to deal with.

But then what are you eating? What are you exposed to? What are you not exposed to? Deal with that first before you start throwing exogenous. What's a testosterone booster superfood? Oh, there's, you know, rhodiola is a fantastic one. We're working out. It's good for working out.

Tonkat Ali is a great one. If you want another one that can help, if you want to produce babies. Fidozia? Yeah. Don't get any ideas. We're done on babies for a second. Horny goat weed. But again, all the adaptogens too will help to deal with some of the stress and that can help also regulate.

One of the issues I have with some of the people that come on this show is, to your point, they jump to these extremes before they take care of the foundation. It's like, I'm going all meat or I'm going all plant. And I think I've heard people come on and say, you have to have meat. And I've heard people come on and say, you don't. And I think if you look at, I mean, this is a compliment, guys like you and Rich, our mutual friend Rich Roll, you guys are in phenomenal shape as you're continuing to grow older and as you continue to, you know, and you're continuing to perform. And I think like you're an example of someone who's not had meat and continue to thrive. And so I think my issue with a lot of people prescribing a lot of these diets or even supplements that we're talking about, maybe they're not doing the base level of things to just get themselves in decent shape, right?

Or in decent condition. Like we could talk all about testosterone boosting, but how many men are actually going out there and being active and being physical and, you know, getting their mind right. Or eating horny goat. Yeah. Or like if people want to lose weight, like how many people are eating processed food or living in a shitty environment? Like you can't just jump to the supplement. We just had Peter Atiyah on as well. We were talking about like the jumping to these things right away before you clear the foundation i think is causing a lot of problems yeah i mean it's it's it's it's it's you know we we constantly and we're marketed to we want that thing and we all fall victim to it we want that thing that's going to do the the magic testosterone the the collagen boosting but always going back to hey i just sleep

less i mean people are sleeping like shit hydration level i mean the chronic hydration dehydration is so crazy that you know we we i think the latest is about 10 of americans don't even drink an ounce of water a day and then you can of course unpack what kind of water right and that's a whole nother rabbit hole our friend shervine's on in some spring what right now doing you know gathering spring water somewhere exactly exactly so again then you so now you're talking about skin health. Yep. But your skin will give up its water well before it's going to have any vital organs be affected. Right? So if you want to look good, get freaking hydrated. If you want to look good, sleep good.

If you want to look good, eat hydrating foods. You know, watermelons, papaya, things in season, an exercise, sweat, go in the sauna, all of these things. And then maybe, and then you get some blood work done and you see where you're optimized or not optimized. And then you can make adjustments. But jumping over those steps, I think it's quite dangerous in a lot of ways i want to know before you go how it was to work with zach efron because i have to ask you that all the girls want to know and what did you exactly oh my god like his abs were just so how's his jawline he has a great jawline. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean. What's his superfood intake? Does he mouth tape? Does he what? Mouth tape. Mouth tape. I'm glad I didn't. I thought I heard you say that.

I thought you said, does he manscape? Oh, well, you could tell us that too. And I'm grateful not to know that. Listen, Zach and I started as friends. He had reached out from Rich Roll's podcast back in the day and he connected because he heard something I was talking about and wanted to know what I was up to and superfoods and stuff like that. So he's always taking care of himself. And so it started by way of that. So, you know, when we did this show, you know, the thing that the last thing, honestly, I wanted to do was do something that I really care about, which is health of people and health of the world and do it with a celebrity. It's the last thing I wanted to do.

But the way this happens serendipitously because of his heart, because of him sharing what he cared about. I'm, I was sharing the idea that I had for the show and he was able to walk it basically in that meant a lot to me. And he's a sweet kid. I mean, I think, you know, he has a hell of a, we got into it a little bit on the show, but you know, at 15, you're thrown into a world no one can understand except someone else may be close to what he went through and so you see that that's intense man it's really intense and that happened young and and for him to just keep his life uh on together and to also commit to things that are beyond him and which he did on the show. I was super grateful for it. So he's, you know, he's a sweet, sweet kid. So is his brother Dylan. I think everyone should go buy your book. I'm going to use this as my Bible.

I'm going to highlight. I don't know if I can read this then and get some good sleep though. I'm going to, you know. Oh, well there's going to be no wifi in our house tonight. That's getting turned off. So don't even think about it. That is definitely, and there's no phone next to your ear. No, I don't do that.

AirPods. We're getting camu camu. I have all this stuff written down. If you even put a glide floss stick next to my head, Oh, really quick little tip for michael michael loves hair paste he goes no i go to ewg now he goes oh you do yes okay that's okay okay i didn't know that is that new yes i got different kinds okay but do you have to wear the hair paste

to bed on the pillow and then he comes over and he wants an itch on the hair paste because he likes his head itched. Not that head. He likes his head itched. And I'm like... I think that's a marital thing. I don't know if I can help you on that one. Can we just go natural? I read The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton, right? Is that the writer?

When I was 13 and now I've just greased it back ever since. How about this? How about this how about this for a great up up level hack okay try oxygenated olive oil oxygenated that i've never heard that i will try that so it's gonna be super good for your skin your head and it's gonna smell like a it's gonna smell like ozone the italian side of me is really gonna love it yeah it's going to smell like a it's going to smell like ozone the italian side of me is really going to love it yeah it's going to smell like fresh uh rain that's my last thing with

him he's doing everything right besides the floss stick and the hair paints see let me know how it works i gotta give you a source back you know yeah oxygenated olive oil. Oxygenated, okay. And it's good for you. You can use it. It's a nice utility. Rub it everywhere. Yeah. Nobody's given me a tip for the hair yet. So now, Darren, I got to keep you on more often.

The whole entire podcast, I was like, I can't wait to ask him for his tip. Fatal conveniences. The toxic products and harmful habits that are making you sick and the simple changes that will save your health. Available on Amazon. Where else? Where can we find you? Where can we DM you, stalk you, ask you all the questions? Yeah, yeah. Anywhere where DarrenOlean.com, social, all of that stuff. Yeah. And anywhere where you love to buy books.

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