The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dean Graziosi On The Truth About Money, Mindset, Success, & What Most Never Learn

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

#833: Join us as we sit down with Dean Graziosi – entrepreneur, New York Times bestselling author, investor, co-founder of mastermind.com, & one of the most sought-after success & mindset coaches in the world. For over two decades, Dean has been on a mission to help millions break free from the traditional path, shift their mindset, & build thriving businesses rooted in what they already know. In this episode, Dean unlocks the success playbook that schools never taught you – from the transformative power of giving, to building a positive mindset that fuels resilience, how to cultivate optimism, the importance of taking action, & insights on how you can Thrive in 2025! Visit thrive350.com to attend the FREE ‘Thrive in 2025’ 3-day virtual live event featuring Dean Graziosi, Tony Robbins, & more!   To Watch the Show click HERE   To Listen to episode #314 ‘Dean Graziosi On The Power Of Mindset To Build Inner Strength, Confidence, & Overcome Obstacles’ click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Dean Graziosi click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Refresh your routine. Shop The Skinny Confidential Anniversary Sale at shopskinnyconfidential.com from April 22nd - April 25th for 30% off SITEWIDE!   This episode is sponsored by Cymbiotika Claim 20% off and free shipping at Cymbiotika.com/TSC.    This episode is sponsored by Jolie Head to jolieskinco.com/SKINNY to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping.   This episode is sponsored by YSL Beauty Shop all 9 dreamy shades of YSL Loveshine Plumping Lip Oil Gloss now at Sephora.   This episode is sponsored by OSEA Head to OSEAmalibu.com and use code SKINNY for 10% off your first order sitewide.   This episode is sponsored by SAKS Shop SAKS.com.   This episode is sponsored by Fatty15 Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today we're thrilled to have our friend and powerhouse guest who's mastered the art of turning obstacles into stepping stones, Dean Graziosi. Dean is a New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur and investor who's been at the

forefront of self-education for over 25 years. From co-founding over 14 companies generating over a billion dollars in revenue to collaborating with legends like Tony Robbins Dean's journey is nothing short of inspiring Get ready to dive deep into the mindset shifts and strategies that can help you thrive in today's ever-changing world This episode is for anyone that wants to live a better life a more productive life a healthier life a happier life get more done Anyone who is just looking to take it to the next level. I also want to mention that Dean and Tony Robbins are hosting their Thrive in 2025 three-day event here shortly.

And if you want to sign up, it's going to be a groundbreaking event. It's free, no payment required from May 15th to the 17th. You can just click the link in our bio to sign up. Lauren and I will be checking out ourselves. That is their Thrive in 2025 with Tony Robbins and Dean Graziosi with that Dean Welcome to skinny confidential him and her show. This is the skinny confidential him and her Dean is back on the podcast He is a master of the mic a master of speaking in public. You really are

Let's get a little background on you You guys can go back and listen to his first appearance on the skinny confidential. Five years ago. Five years ago. But I just want just a quick little background on you so we can get right in to all the tips for growth. Hey, great to see you guys. I had so much fun last time I was here. You guys, you bring such great energy and here's the cool part before I share a little bit. My wife and my sister-in-law, I have the pink roller in my refrigerator. My wife has the little pink and so does my sister-in-law has the little pink mouth strips. Especially since we did the podcast, my wife loves what you guys do.

It's probably the only podcast she listens to. I'm a little bummed she's not here. I know she's bummed that she's not here. She has major FOMO. I got her beautiful sister though so I'll take it. You know quick story I don't think it's much different than most right? It is we all I think the matter where you are in life you know that there's something more there's something bigger and I think I just recognized at a young age that just because your family has done things in life a certain way it doesn't mean you have to live into it and and sometimes we don't move

until we're disturbed enough and I think people have asked me this more especially in my 50s I'm reflecting back more than ever before and people like what made you be so motivated so hungry and if I really look back it was my mom my dad left when I was three she was an incredible woman she's incredibly intelligent but she didn't feel that much. She didn't feel intelligent. So she worked three jobs to support my sister and I. She cleaned hair, she cut, she cleaned houses, cut hair and painted houses. She'd get home nine to ten at night every night and I was thinking that was my spark. I remember being really young thinking I need to retire my mom. Like I need to

help my mom. Maybe I didn't think of the word retirement. So I mean like seven, eight, nine years old. It's like I need to be rich. I need to be successful so I can retire my mom. And I think that was the first thing. I think we all need that move. And that was the move. I didn't go to college at 17. I started a firewood cutting business and then I started buying wreck cars and fixing them and selling them. Then I started buying rundown apartment houses and flipping them by 20, 21. And then at 24, I retired my mom. At 27, I retired my dad. And, and since then, you know, and you guys can appreciate this as

entrepreneurs and I think as people going after your own thing, I think the best thing to say is the things we do in the invisible when no one's watching make all the difference in the world. And I doubted myself a million times. I figured I wasn't smart enough a million times. I didn't have a college degree. I didn't come from money. But I just knew that there had to be more. And I was just lucky enough to go after it. And you know my my businesses did well and at 27 or 28 years old I watched Tony Robbins on an infomercial. It's funny now he's my dearest friend and partner. We have multiple businesses together but at that age I watched an infomercial. I bought

everything the guy had. It was personal power and all this stuff. You guys lived where similar to close to where he grew up or where he lived and when I listened to it a couple things happened. One was he said life happens for you not to you and at that moment I was like wow maybe all the crap I went through was to make me ambitious enough to do some cool stuff. Rather than thinking poor me, I thought, wow, lucky me. And secondly, I was like, pretty cool business. He makes money by sharing his life experiences. So at 28 years old, I went into this industry. And then years later, we met and became partners and friends and we own multiple companies. We own a company called Mastermind together and that's the journey. There's a lot more in between, but that's the thing.

I'm sure there is. What do you think was made you sparkle to him? Because he's obviously a very special person, but so are you. But he recognized that in you. When you reflect back when you guys met, what was the pizzazz that you had that impressed him? You know, we met, we were supposed to meet for a half hour We met for like two hours and he said I'm not done with this. I'm like only me neither He's like fly to my house next week

So I flew to his house the following week for an hour meeting and we ended up spending like 13 hours together we had lunch dinner and a late-night snack and His mom and my dad were almost the same exact human being. He struggled at 17, almost homeless. I was in the same place. Like we had such similarities, Lauren, that I think it just sparked. And we both had a deep desire. I listen, anybody could say that, but we both had a deep desire to serve and impact other people.

Like I'm never going to lie. I love being successful. I love having hundreds of employees. I like my company to grow. I like impacting people, but I love more than that I love having hundreds of employees. I like my company to grow. I like impacting people but I love more than that is Being able to give people an opportunity to grow and impact others So to be cool and you guys do this every day you got to you guys get to impact people for a living

It's pretty amazing. So I think that drive connected us you both do this thing where It's like that book the Edge, where you guys started wanting to serve all these people, but you've been able to pull the thread through all these years. And when you meet you guys, you can tell that you both still want to serve. Even though you guys have made so much money and been so successful, you can tell

that the foundation of it is serving others. Where do you think people get it wrong in this day and age on the internet when they're just going for the sale and they just want to make quick money? You know, doing this long enough, you watch them come and go, right? I'm 56, at this age and being in business since I was 17, I have to see patterns that work and patterns that don't. And when people pretend, you could see it, you could feel it, and they'll have a certain amount

of success, but it's not sustainable. Right? And there's something, especially when the economy shifts and uncertainty is high, people don't know where inflation's going, where the economy's going, where the world is going. People either like the last president or the current president here in the States,

and it's all this craziness in those times. I think people attract to someone who genuinely cares. I mean, I know that might be oversimplified, but when someone genuinely cares and they show with the way their feet move, not with their words, I think they're the ones that make it through and actually scale on the other side of it. It's funny. You say, it's funny you say that now because we met doing this five years ago, but before that,

we started the show six years before that. So it's been a little bit, I mean, she started doing this in 2009. So now I guess we're becoming older, which is funny to see the next generation, but you're so right. You kind of see people when they come in with the wrong intention, when it's just about the money or it's just about the brand they want to build for themselves. And there's not some component of either providing some value or servicing some other person besides themselves. They kind of fall off over time. And now we've seen that.

And so I guess the word of advice there is that if you're going to get into any kind of space where you're trying to, I guess it applies to any business. For longevity, you have to be able to provide something greater than just providing for yourself. If you take it one step further, whether you believe in karma, God, the universe, how cool would it be is if you felt good when you gave? Meaning so many times in life we give, we keep score. I did so much for Lauren and she hasn't gotten back to me.

She hasn't put me on her podcast. Rather saying I did for Lauren and I am already satisfied by the giving of it Right and I know that sounds maybe a little too foo-foo But think about if you approached your business where you gave more than anybody else and at first you're not expecting anything in return You guys both know that you've done stuff for people who never gave it back But simultaneously you both have had taps on the shoulder and an opportunity open and you don't know where it came from. What if it was karma, you know, the karma auditor or the God auditor going, man, these two have put so much goodwill, maybe that didn't work out, but this will.

And I think that's just a way to look at business. If you feel amazing giving the byproduct is the numbers look better. Yeah. I think it's, it's, it's just the mindset of that. When you put good things out there, good things are going to come back a hundred percent. I think, you know, whenever I see somebody saying like out, especially, you know, we're talking about creators here and people wanting to build businesses.

When people like, I'll only do it for a fee or only show up for this, or I'll only post if I see people implement those strategies. And again, I think those are a lot of those individuals are the ones that over time we've seen kind of fall off. So true. It's like this attitude of like, I will not do anything for anyone unless they do something for me.

And I just don't think that, I don't think that's how the world works. Especially not now, right? And everybody's so connected that if you are a little more selfish, it's exposed really quick. For sure. What advice would you give someone

that has a narrative or a negative tape playing through their head all day? Cause the thoughts, I mean, we all know this, the thoughts that you have, I mean, I'm a huge believer in this, the thoughts that you have are, it's being projected. So how do you change the narrative? You know, for me, if you look at it in a way where if you're doing something that's not

getting you the results that you desire then we have no other option than to try something else. Right. Right and if you think a certain thought maybe you're skeptical of other people right hey if I do business with them they're going to rob from me. If you take that thought how many opportunities has someone missed because they're not letting rob from me. If you take that thought, how many opportunities has someone missed because they're not letting anybody in? Right. If you think, if you think that opportunities, right, are, are for other people, how many opportunities have you missed because you sat on the sidelines?

So the easiest way to think about it is what thoughts have made you miss opportunities in the past that you regret that you missed. And if you continue to do the same thing, you'll continue to get the same results. I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but sometimes we just have to think about this thought holds me back. And then you get the opportunity to say, is that thought true? Can you find someone else that shifted a thought, had a different way to approach it and had success? And I think there's no other way to look at it. Certain thinking holds you back. And if that's the case, then you have to try new thinking.

When you look at our generation and you see everything that's going on with social media, where do you think that we could improve as a generation? I think nothing happens in life unless you have a compelling future. Your generation, nothing happens in life unless you have a compelling future. Your generation and the one beneath you as well is the most depressed generation. They're on more anti-depressants than any other generation and more suicide than any other generation. Think about this. If I said to you guys, hey in 10 years from now your business is flat, you lost your money, you guys are starting over again and no matter what you do you're not gonna make it. You robbed someone's compelling future,

then you have nothing to look forward to. Then your present is bound to be depressed or sad. Do you guys know you're going to be doing better next year than this year and in five years from now? I always want to get better. Of course, but that's who you are. That's why you have this amazing podcast and this amazing entrepreneur business.

You do way more than this podcast. I love all the things that you guys do. But all of us need a compelling future. And I'm not trying to get political, but when you have a lot of the world saying climate change is going to, there's no future. The world is going to end, right? The way the presidency, the old presidency or the new one, whatever your beliefs that the world is going to end, that the dollar is going to be worth nothing.

No matter how much you work, You could have a bushel barrel, just see when you have a bushel barrel of hundred dollar bills and you could barely get a loaf of bread. If you tell a generation that enough, there is no compelling future. So what do you have to look forward to? So if you have no compelling future, that means you're depressed in the moment because why should I do anything? Why should I care? Why should I be polite? Why should I help other people? The world's screwed anyway. I think we need to be bold enough to go against the grain and be optimistic and say, you know what? I believe innovation will fix things. I mean, think about oil used to be the sticky stuff on the bottom of camel's hooves. Innovation created it to something else. Can innovation save things? I wanna be optimistic, boldly optimistic,

say, hell yes, absolutely, no doubt. And when you do, then I get to believe the world is gonna be a better place in five years and 10 years. And I promise you, those that are struggling, if you would just find something bigger than you, would be brave and bold to think that life is gonna be better.

You'll watch things change. I tune out when I'm at a dinner party and someone's like, oh, but did you hear who was elected? Or, oh my God, did you hear the housing markets going down? I'm like, I don't wanna listen to the news. I don't wanna be, I don't want it to like get in my head. You really do have to be thoughtful about what you're consuming and who you're around.

Zero question about it. Yeah. Zero question you're around. Zero question about it. Yeah. Zero question. Like, I like to think about it. I have these silly analogies that live inside my head. If anybody could climb in there, they'd probably think I was insane. But I think about who's steering my ship. Like, I want to be the captain of my ship.

If I watch the news too much, the news has their hand on the wheel. A hundred percent. Like, why would you work hard when the world's going to hell in a handbasket? Same with social media. When you talk to your friend, when you talk to your friend, the one friend that you love, but every time you talk to her, you leave and you're like, Oh, maybe I am crazy. I don't mean to say this arrogantly or like sound like an asshole, but you know, the last time we saw you was right before the pandemic, like kicked into full effect.

And during that time, Lauren and I made the decision to get rid of cable news in our house. We literally just got rid of it. And I remember at the time we said, hey, we're not watching the news anymore. During a time when everyone was watching the news every second and people would say, well, how are you gonna be informed? And I said, listen, all of this is fear, fear, fear

all day long and I just don't wanna live. Yeah, I don't wanna live in that world. So we got out of that and we still actually don't have cable in the house and we never watched the news really. You can find other ways to be informed. But the point is, is our life over that period of time has improved. I'm not going to be shy about it. Same here.

You know, my life got better during the pandemic and beyond. And do you think you help the world by being fearful or you guys creating jobs, opening more companies, doing more things? Like if you focus on you, you're actually a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. The problem isn't the news though. The problem is they're allowing it into their space. My point is that you have a choice not only through the news, but what social content you have. You have a choice on what you consume day to day. So if all you're consuming, and I love Gary Vee for this, he points out like his news feed is like the jets and baseball cards and like, whatever.

And he said, your algorithm is basically what you set up for yourself. So if you go on your phone and you're scrolling around and everything's negative and everything's bad, that's kind of who you are. It's what you're looking for. And during that time, we just chose to not look at that kind of stuff and focus on what we could control and what's positive. And I think it's important to mention it because you hear all these people talking all the time about how bad the world's getting, but if you really actually look at the data and

you read history, the world has gotten better year after year after year. It's the best it's probably ever been. Yes. And longevity is better than it's ever been and we're happier. There's more opportunity than there's ever been. There's a book called Factfulness, have you ever heard that book? No, but I'll read it. And it basically uses facts to show the history of time, how things have actually gotten only

better. And anytime people say this has gotten worse, they use facts. They're like, oh, the data actually says this has gotten better. And it's just, you know, people have a bias towards reading negative things because it's easy and there's a lot of other people commiserating and it's an easy group to find yourself a part of, but it's harder to stand out and say, okay, I'm going to focus on the positive and not the negative. Yeah. I think a good exercise is to go look at your newsfeed and your for you page and see what it's

serving you and realize that you're the one that actually curated that and that you can change it if you want to change it. It's such an easy, like, it's not like you're like stuck in that. You can change it. No one has to see it but you. you could just give yourself a gut check. These platforms have spent billions of dollars figuring out how to give you things that you want. Yes, exactly. Fixed mindset versus growth mindset.

Can you break it down for us and explain the differences? A fixed mindset is just easy to get into. I, it sounds like I'm trashing traditional education, but I think we can all agree it's outdated, right? It's like, go to high school, try to get good grades, so you get accepted into a college and they teach you how to crush your dreams and follow a path. I know that might sound extreme, but it's like, how many times do people start school? And if they keep the innovation, the creativity, this desire through college and then they get blessed with a job, they feel that way, they're blessed with a

job, they go in there. Only because I've been doing this for so many years. Do you know how many people I get to meet at 47, 52, 38, 75 that said, I went in with so much ambition, I was going to get promotions, I was going to get raises, I was going to help take this company to another level." And you realize that the kind of the big, sometimes bureaucracy, sometimes just the career itself, they get told no so many times or their great idea goes past. Their innovation is not recognized. And then slowly people let go of those dreams and go, well, I guess this is the best it can be and so many times when I

get to mention it I'll watch people get in tears because they realized there was a time when they just gave up and just rode the wave they just wherever things went and went if I if I understand the question right they went down this fixed mindset this is as good as it gets the world's going to hell in a ham basket I should be lucky that I'm getting a paycheck. And I think of that. I think that. If you love what you do, great. But I think if you're just living in an unfulfilled career, but you should be happy that you have the job and you're getting paid, I think that's when you get to the end of your life and you look back and go, Oh my God, I missed it. I missed, you know, it's like when you have

kids I've talked to moms that said they got stuck and didn't realize it and they're with their kids and they're creating the logo on the back of their kids coloring, you know, like taking a crayon and creating their logo of something they wanted to do but then they still tuck it down and they go back to this kind of fixed mindset thinking they have to follow the path. Compared to the opposite of that is sometimes you've got to take massive uncomfortable action. You have to do something that's outside the norm, something where your family thinks you're crazy. I mean, you watch so many people that their family's like, are you nuts? You went to school,

you got this job, but inside they're dying. And I think the opposite of a fixed mindset is, first off, maybe this is a little more advice and I hope I'm going down the right direction for to answer your question. But one thing I would suggest to everybody when you're when you if you recognize you're in a fixed mindset or you're unfulfilled What you're doing, but you're still doing it every day then I would say three things one Look for something that intrigues you that's growing look for an industry that's growing look for something that's growing Is it a creator economy? It's an online is it podcast is it something something you want to, you want to promote products online, whatever it is, look for something that's growing after that, then model proven practices. Just no one ever taught us to go look for somebody who's already done what you

want to do and just learn everything you can. If I want to start a podcast business, I would hit you up, Michael, and say, can I please, or if my kids wanted to come, my kids aren't probably going to college, but they're going to mentor anybody. If they wanted to learn podcast world and what you do, I'd send them down here for two years to work under you. By the way, there was people that we admired and followed, and we were just at dinner with our friend Gary Vee, and I told him to his face, like he was one of the people that we modeled. There's an assortment of people that we modeled. You look at them, you say, what are they doing?

What's working? What's not working? Again, you have to find your own voice and your own formula, but there are certain parameters you could stay within to say, what are they doing? What's working? What's not working? Again, you have to find your own voice and your own formula, but there are, there are certain parameters you could stay within to say like, okay, this is something to that, that you can model to be. Well, they should start off on second or third base rather than have the blank page, right? By so find something you like, then find somebody who's already doing it. And then once you have that, then you have to take that massive uncomfortable

action and you've got to keep moving forward. And usually to keep moving forward, you need a big reason why and and not to oversimplify it but they're the things that at least get the kind of the rocket off the ground start the momentum Dean if you woke up in a bad mood tomorrow like a horrible mood what are the tools that you reach for to snap yourself out of it do you wake up in a bad mood yeah Yeah. You know, of course. No, he doesn't. Um, he's even killed. I can tell.

You know, only because I've been just doing this for a long time. Right. Okay. Let's take the Dean when the Dean was 30. Yeah. What would you tell Dean to 25 year old Dean? 25 year old Dean. What is in Dean?

What would you get for this one? 30 year old. I'm going to give you the simplest explanation. And, and I, I, I lived this and then I read this book about five years ago And it explained it perfectly Ogman Dino's book the world's greatest salesman. It's a great book. Wait two hours. You can read it It's so good. Okay, and it's not just about sales. It's about life. My kids have read it multiple times He talks about the ten scrolls. Oh, I did read Matthew McConaughey says, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

I got to read it. Oh my God. It's so good. I gave it to you to read. I'm sorry. You got to read. Anyway, one of the scrolls is about the same exact question you just asked. And I realized what I had done my whole life is instead of letting your emotions

dictate your actions, let your actions dictate your emotions. When I wake up grumpy and want to like kick the dog. I've never kicked a dog just saying, but like that emotion, like everything bugs you. I'm human. I'm sure you guys are too. I just go to work. I go work out. I go start writing. I start working. I drive my ass to the office and I just put myself in immersive, like, because if you sit and think about it, you fester. It gets bigger and it gets stronger. Like kill the, kill the, you know, kill the dragon when it's just small and when I'm grumpy I want to kill it as fast I can and the only way I know how is massive action It's it's you and Tony are similar like he does the priming like he does the prime

But it's like you're doing that but in your own way You're like moving your body moving your system to get get out of it. Yeah, I think that's really good advice What are other little tools that you use throughout the day, like anything from wellness to health to diet? Like what are the things that you do that you think just help optimize you? I love a great question is I always focus and this took years of training, but if you could try to focus on the end result, not the action. For example, I work out every day of my life at five o'clock.

I'm in the gym for an hour every day of my life. Most days I really don't want to. Right. Like everyone's like, you must love working out. I really don't love working out. But what I've trained my brain to think about is I love my beautiful wife. I want to look good for her. Yeah.

I want her to see me and go, damn, he still looks good. So that's why I think about that. My older kids are 18 and 16. They both work out. I never told them to work out. I never asked them to work out. They just see their dad at five o'clock every day in our home gym. It is such a part of their life. Kids do what you do, not what you say. If I was overweight and not working out and told them to work out, would they? I'm just being honest, right? So I work out. So what I think about is how am I going to feel when I'm done working out? How will I look for my wife? What kind of example for my kids?

And I stack it even more every day when I work out, I listen to a podcast or personal development or something about my business. So I'm like, Oh, and I'm also going to get smarter. So when I think about working out, it's like, no, I got to go work out. I'm like, no, I'm going to get a little smarter. I'll look a little better for my wife. I have a good example. So I focus on the end result and then just go do it. And you do that, I bet, with every single area. I do, everywhere. Yeah, I bet you do it with your friends.

Being partners with Tony, you have no idea how insane it is. Both of us are blessed that we could have retired many years ago and we're both working harder than ever before in our partnership and our friendship because we have so many things to accomplish and so many people to serve and so much impact to make. And he will always, he'll call me and he'll say, Hey brother, I got this thing.

This is what we can do something outside. Just totally. And when, by the time he gets done talking, what will happen when we do this, when we accomplish it, the lives that'll change the company, how many people we could hire. I'm so fired up by the end result that I'll charge into the to the war Because I just want to get to the end you guys are executors I everything you when you talk about you and him It's always like you guys met and then he was like fly to my house Like let's let's have the meeting 13 hours like it seems like like when you guys talk. It's not just like cheap talk

It's like let's do it. Let's do it. Now. Let's execute it. Let's actually do it So true a lot of people miss out on the do it. They want to be the forever student. They want to read all the books. They want to consume all the content before they do the thing. You guys just do. You're so spot on.

You guys have gained so much knowledge by being in business and interviewing people. I tell people all the time, don't get obsessed with just learning. Get obsessed with uncomfortable action. Right. And it is uncomfortable. I love putting the word uncomfortable because if you're doing something you've

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that permission. They, they're huge action takers. And even if you look at this show, like we had no training in media, no background and like it was all just like, okay, they're, they're huge action takers. And even if you look at this show, like we had no training in media, no background in, like it was all just like, okay, you buy the equipment and then you start. Jump out of the plane and grow wings on the way down.

Excuse me. I used to do CYT in acting, so I had some background in being on stage. But, but you. So speak for yourself. But we've sat on this show for years that like, listen, I understand why some professions, you need certain qualifications. I get, if you want to be, you know, performing surgery on someone,

you obviously need to leave, whatever. But we've heard so many people in our personal lives, unfortunately, and Lauren hates when I use the word unfortunately, that have been talking about the same idea for years and years and years and they just, and that they fully could do the thing, but they just, they don't do the thing they just talk about. And they just, and they fully could do the thing, but they just, they don't do the thing. They just talk about thing. And then we've met other people that don't have nearly the knowledge in the beginning,

but they jump in and all of a sudden now they've got this big thing because they did it. I wonder. I'm not a big talkie about the thing kind of person. Like if you have to talk about the thing for too long. I'd rather say, yeah, I'd rather show my example. I don't. And then those, the worst is when those people,

they come in and say, someone stole my idea. And I'm like, well, it's... Because you've been waiting for 12 years. Yeah. You know, you got to do the thing. When you guys work with people, I imagine that's a common issue with people, right? It's like not taking the leap. Absolutely.

Yeah. Not to back up, but I grew up with my... My parents split when I was three. I grew up mostly with my grandmother and she was such an amazing influence. She was such an incredible woman. And she used to tell me from when I was really little, she goes, never tell people what you're going to do. Just do it so loud.

They'll hear you. And as a woman never went past seventh grade, right? She was so wisdom filled and that was something she always told me. So I never told when I had big, crazy dreams, I'm like, if you tell people, they think you're nuts anyway. So you might as well just do it. Right. Yeah.

Well, also, if you tell people and then you don't do it, then then you're that guy or that girl. You mentioned earlier that your dad left when you were three, but then later you retired him when you were 27. Yeah. Right. Did I get that number right? Yeah.

When he left, did he leave, leave, or did your parents just split? And if he did leave, leave, how did you forgive him and then retire him? My dad was the youngest of 12 and was physically abused his whole life. Youngest of 12, wow. And my dad was very violent, like very angry. Didn't abuse us physically, but just was so angry

because he just was taking advantage of his whole life. Like his father really abused him horrible. And because of that he My sister's four years older than me. She hasn't talked to him in 22 years His ex-wives don't talk to him his brothers and sisters didn't talk to him And there was a point in my life when I realized I could only hurt me right it could only hurt me and I watched how it tore my sister apart not talking to him and and I Forgave him early on and if you don't mind

I'm gonna share some because it might help just one person listening. I thought I forgave him completely because there was some crazy stuff in our childhood. I mean, no one, everybody abandoned him and rightfully so. Like he kind of deserved it, sad to say. But then there was a time about 12 years ago when I, now this is, I forgave him when I was really young. But about 12 years ago, I was at a Tony event. He said, come to date with destiny, come day three.

It's going to be a great day three. So I fly in, we go to dinner that night. I go to day three and this woman stands up. And again, I think this might be something that maybe it helps just one person. So this woman stands up and he's going, he's doing an intervention. You know, if you ever see on, I'm not your guru, he's a foot away from him standing up with thousands of people around. And she talks about her troubled childhood that she's trying to get Over because her dad wanted a boy when she when her mom gave birth to her

She had emergency surgery couldn't have babies anymore and she felt her dad hated her whole life because she he really wanted a boy and He loved to swim so she went into swimming went to the state championship Got second place and when she looked up her dad wasn't in the audience and she had to walk home because he left her there and Tony's listening and I'm not sure which way he's going to go. And he said, so tell me because of that, was he good to your mom? No, he was terrible to my mom.

So never told you loved you. No, never told me financially. How was he? She said broke my whole life. And she's talking about it. And Tony said, and then I watched him switching. The guy's so good at what he does He said so you're broke and I could tell she was dressed to the nines beautiful by 50 year old woman

She was no I started my own business. So you're not that good with your husband. She goes. That's my husband right there I love that man. He's my best friend. He's my business partner. So you're probably horrible with your kids It's my kids right next to him. We have an amazing family never told him you love I them. I tell them I love them every day. She said, if you're going to blame your dad for what went wrong, you better blame your dad for all of that because if he didn't do that to you, you wouldn't have that. And you know what he did? He said, pull out your phone. Is he still alive? Call him. She called him in front of 5,000 people and said I blame you for having a great life And I sat there with tears coming down my eyes, and I forgave my father completely like

My father was nuts. I moved in when I was 12 and I would come home sometime And I would meet the greatest dad in the world. I'd meet a dad at 12 years old. He'd say take the car Let's go drive. Let's get ice cream and you can drive right I'll teach you how to hunt. And I'd come home some days and I had a bleeding ulcer at 12 years old. I never really tell people that, but I was throwing up blood at 12 because he was so

violent with everybody. I'd come home and he'd flip the kitchen table over. He'd tell me he was going to go kill my mom. Right. There was these two. You were too stressed. It was these two people and I was so worried.

I moved in with him because I thought if I moved in with him, he wouldn't hurt my mom. I never told her that until I was older. I should have never even told her that. But I'm saying that because what I realized is even I could walk on a stage, you know, we did the McConaughey event, there was two and a half million people

on day one came. But I can walk on a stage with 50, 60,000 people, 40,000, 10,000 people, and I feel like I can feel their emotions and I present to match their emotions. And I know I got that because by the time I was 14, I knew how to come home and I could find my dad in Crazy Dad and I could flip him into Happy Dad. I figured out how to read his emotions, read his feelings.

So that moment when he said, I blame you, I'm like, oh my God, I'm successful because of that man. My work ethic is because of that man and I blame him for all the good of my life and that day everything I had in my life, like a little bit of resentment or being upset with him, it disappeared forever. So I know it was a long answer to a short question. No, it's beautiful. I just was getting interviewed by someone and they asked me a question about, like they said, trauma and I was's, I just was getting interviewed by someone and they asked me a question about like they said trauma. And I was like, I don't like that.

For me, I don't want, I don't like that word. It's not the word that I, I, I'm grateful. It's given me grit and resilience and resourcefulness and creativity. And if you look at it like that, it is a lot easier to forgive. Well, it's, it's a, it's a muscle that I think you work over time because it's funny, I think when you meet people that have quote unquote overcome trauma and you try to ask them about trauma,

it's hard to get an answer out of it because they look at everything as the positive that came from whatever issue happened. You know what I mean? Where if you meet someone who's still struggling with that and looks at everything as a trauma that's holding them back, they can point to a million traumas that keep happening, right? But the point is like, if you start to flip and start to say, everything is happening

for me and not to me, and then that's not the easiest thing to do, you then start to look at pretty much everything that happens to you in life, even like setbacks currently as opportunities. Yeah, so true. But you also, you have to look at the good that's happened to you, like Tony said to that woman, that she maybe wouldn't have had that. Can I tell you, the thing that is unbelievable is, I know this might sound crazy, I watched her look 10 years younger when she was like, oh my God, I can, like, I feel like she exhaled

air that she sucked in when she was 17. And she just looked lighter. She felt lighter. She called them and said, dad, I'm like, Oh my gosh. So if that just one person today that you could blame them for that and let go of that, just think how much your life can move in a better direction without carrying that. It's heavy. Yeah.

You asked earlier, what would happen if in the future we lost everything and everything fell apart and you know, I don't want that to happen. I'm going to try to do things to guard against that. But kind of the sick part of me is like, Oh, I wonder if that happened now with everything I've learned, like how long it would take to get it back. Fast. It'd be fast. And that's, and I, and I kind of in a weird way, I kind of want to be like, I wonder what

like, Don't put that into the either. We'll pull that one back in. Call me on my second husband. Speak for yourself. But you know what I mean? Yeah, don't put that into the ether. Yeah, don't put it in the air. We'll pull that one back in. Call me on my second husband. Speak for yourself. But you know what I mean? Because I think that when you were asking the question, my brain immediately goes to

that now, as opposed to the fear-based thing, which is, oh, if that happened, I'll never live. I won't survive. But isn't that the benefit of actually taking that uncomfortable action? Because you see it wasn't as scary as you thought, even though all the times in the mirror when no one's watching, like, can we do this? What if it doesn't make? Is COVID going to end? Or is it going to grow us? You have all those feelings. But now that you've gone through it, you played the game and you realize you could

do it again. What is your life look like in the business world? Like on a day to day basis? I know that you obviously are very front facing, but there's a lot of back end stuff that goes into what you do. I'm curious as a business person myself, like, are you running the team on Mondays and like, you know, doing Skypes on Wednesdays, how does your time for business? Really awesome. You know, so, so our new company, new company, it's like seven years old that we started called Mastermind.

We, we teach people how to be creators, right? How do you take life experience and turn it into a product, a course, a workshop, a coaching program, a podcast, a book. And when people realize that all of us have a value, we have experience, we have a career skill, we have something, we have a passion that's valuable, once you realize that, you know, it's a pretty cool way to create a business.

And that's what we started because that's the business Tony and I are in. So we started that. And because it's a startup, seven years old, I'm still, of that company, I'm still the architect of all of our events, our big marketing campaigns, right? Like we said, we've done, actually the last one was

12 events in a row that averaged about a million people each registered. I architect those. They've been things I've been working on for two decades. Are you on Zooms in office around 100 employees? What does it look like? I have some great operators. I have leaders. In Mastermind, we have about 135 employees. So we have great leaders in each department, but I'm still, I don't like to say that, like we don't do a lot of titles, but I'm still the CEO of the company.

So you're the captain. I'm still the visionary. I'm still the visionary. Okay. I'm still the visionary. I still set the tone and amazing operators and executors to get it done. But Mondays, my day is full completely with Zoom calls. I pack Mondays and Tuesdays, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, more creative, more high level meetings. So as far as writing and speaking and podcasting and all these other things that you're doing,

how do you fit them in? Do you batch it? I try. I try. It's not always a balance. I mean, I'm doing more podcasts now because we're doing a big, our once a year big event. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a juggle between you guys probably experiences. I have the creative side of me that lays out the next big event and how we impact people

more and how do we create the blueprint so everybody can get in. And then simultaneously, I'm on with my CFO talking about numbers and finance and where we're going and how we're doing. Like, so it's two different brains. So the one thing that I've done, and you probably have figured this out already, is I set my creative days aside

from my day-to-day business days because they don't overlap too well. No, and then you get frustrated. I notice like, yeah, if I have a block and then someone comes into my space, then I have to be reactive. It's good to separate. It's not always perfect, but I've noticed that when we blend those days together, you kind of get a worse result for both.

Hands down for both. Yeah. And sometimes you can't avoid it like for scheduling, but yeah, I've noticed that if I try to be operator finance and then do a show, it's just like, it's hard to shift back into that. I want to ask a selfish question and you're the perfect person to ask this. How do you think about running a team? Like, how do you think about where to place people and the hierarchy and where to put people? I just want to know how you think about it because it's a lot of work to have a lot of different personalities.

Some people want to work from home five days a week. Yeah Well, how do you manage all that? So If I look back what I used to think would make a great leader Was someone who was a really good project manager the person that when you give them something they get it done You know, they say if you want something done, that's the busiest person You know, yeah, and you want something done, ask the busiest person you know. Yeah. And you got those people on your team. I saw a statistic that, you know, the 80-20 rule, that 20% of your employees are doing 80% of the work in your company. Right?

And you already know the people. Think about the people you know are the people killing it in the company. And there's some that just find a way, right? Sure. What I've realized is project managers, people who get things done, the hustlers in your company don't necessarily equate to being leaders. And what I've seen, especially in the last probably decade of my life, you can't scale without true leadership, right?

You can, you can, because sometimes in a business, you can be really good at one thing. I was really good at creating products people loved and really good at marketing. That's what I've been really good at for 30 years, right? I wasn't the best at operations and CFO and planning, but I did so well in that unique ability that the money covered my mistakes where there was band-aids and duct tape. But that gets you to 10 million. I'm not saying that that's about 20 million. If you want to go to 50, 100, 200 million dollars, those band-aids don't work.

You need to have real leadership and real people that fill those roles. And the only way to get there is to understand leadership is people who understand the human condition. It's like being a kindergarten teacher. One person gets upset if they don't have enough significance. One person wants to be left alone. One person wants to work at home. One person likes to talk about their past. One person doesn't like to talk at all. And true leadership finds a way to resonate and communicate with all these different

personalities combined with project management. How do you find that person? Could you give me their number? I can help you with that. It took me a long time to find. And when you do, your life changes overnight. Like not in five years, it changes overnight. You bring somebody in and you're like, why is that department, I don't hear anything from that department anymore. Cause you found someone who's taken the one person to lunch that needs the pad on the back.

And they're talking to the other person about their weekend boating. Like you do boats all, and they just figure out a way to build connection, rapport, respect, and then it allows them to take your values and insert it with the team. And that's what I've seen is that next level. That's exactly though, I will say, what my COO has done for the company. It's exactly that.

It's almost like respecting everyone where they're at, but also acknowledging. Yeah. Like what you say. You still got to get stuff done. You still right. It's, I mean, it's a finesse. It's finesse. That's a good word. It's, it's, it's definitely a finesse.

You mentioned earlier, well, we know this too. Both you and Tony have done very well. Could have retired years ago. You guys continue to push it to the next level for entrepreneurs out there and even individual contributors that are working in businesses. How do you work with people to help them it to the next level for entrepreneurs out there and even individual contributors that are working in businesses. How do you work with people to help them get to the next level? Maybe they're doing well, they've got a good job or their business is doing, you know, they're financially in a good place, but they want to keep kicking it up a notch.

How do you convince people to keep going and how do you help them get there? You know, I don't know if I convincing people to keep going. I'd rather say there's two types of entrepreneurs. Actually, three. There's somebody who likes to be creative, do well, and work underneath another company so they have the protection. Thank God, because we wouldn't have any employees if there wasn't awesome people like that, right? So they're kind of like intrapreneurs. They take their department seriously. It's like your COO. This is her division. This is her world.

So thank God for that. Then I look at the other, the next level are those that are lifestyle entrepreneurs. They want to build something that gives them enough money to allow them to live the life they hope to live. Yeah. Maybe convince is not the right word. Right. Yeah.

And then the last is the kind of the, you know, the ambitious one that just, it's accomplishment based entrepreneurs. And I think those that know they're meant for more and don't have kind of a path and plan, I think words like you are enough, you know enough, and with the right plan, you could achieve more. Allow people to go, I wonder if I could, I feel it. I know it. It was a great question. I don't have a immediate answer other than I really like waking people up who fell asleep years ago Like they had ambition. They had dream and like screw it I'm just gonna go to sleep and let my life just go on and I like to shake those people and go hey if you're happy

Cool, but if you're not hey, we got one shot at this You're gonna get to the end of your life and have massive regret and then simultaneously We like to meet people where they are some people it's we want to show them that you can market and sell through service not cheesy sales tactics and you need another level of marketing stamina like marketing you know application and strategy. Other people it's just having a different mindset that they're capped that think I could only make a hundred grand a year or $50,000 a year and we like to take the lid off that and show them what's possible. I guess the thing is, it's meeting people where they are and getting disturbed

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of person should go to this event and what kind of person wakes up at this event? I said this about a week ago it's the first time I ever said it and somebody asked me a friend asked me and I said I like Tony and I like to attract you could say brilliance without a blueprint or kind of I just like saying badasses without a blueprint and it made me think about I Wish my mom had a blueprint Because she would have been an amazing entrepreneur or someone doing their own thing So I would say someone who knows that they're meant for more

That maybe is unfulfilled in their current career or their current business is just, they're putting more time in their business than they would in a career and it's making them less than what they thought. Like they're working in their business. They're working in their business, right? They're just grinding and it's paying them less than maybe the business that they left. And over three days, we show people,

well, we show them why they should be in the creator economy. It's a billion dollar a day industry. More and more people are paying for other people's knowledge, right? If you've done something that I haven't done, right? The fastest way for me to get there is to get your experience.

So we show everybody on day, if I just go through the days, day one, we show you why this industry, why now, and why people, if you're thinking you're meant for more, that you can do it. So Tony puts them in the right mindset. I show them how to identify what they should create on day one. On day two, we show them how to make it real through marketing through service. How do you get the eyeballs? How do you use your

warm network? How do you use social media that you got eyeballs already there, how to get in front of them and how to make kind of your first sale. Day three is how to turn it into a business. And we do it once a year for free. And like I said, we're about 70% women. It's free. It's free. And it's Tony, myself, we got Jay Shetty coming, Matthew McConaughey coming, two other amazing guests, Lisa Nichols and crazy. But is it online too? It's all online, completely online.

Okay. And we do it from our virtual studio. And it's unbelievable. Like I said, our last 11, 12 events had a million people on average registered from over 125 countries. And you know what else I love about it is we are living in a polarized world, right? We've got extremes on both sides. We got, you know, for three days, for three hours a day, there's hundreds of thousands of people with different backgrounds, different religions, different economics, different politics, and it shows that the world could come together. If you look through the lens of what we have in common, that we have a desire to do better than our parents, to leave our kids in a better place, to leave the world a better place. You got

three days and people always ask, I get done with your and Tony's events, I'm vibrating, I love it, what is it? It's like because she showed you that the world is not as crazy as people think. And I truly believe with where AI is, we got some cool things we're going to share where AI is, where the world is. I don't think there's ever been a better time to start or do your own thing. Because the other thing that happens in a time like this is a lot of people sit on their hands to see where things are going.

I believe that if you Google fortune 500 companies, you know, the majority of them are started in a recession or a down market. And I think it's because most people go, Oh, let's see where things are going. And the brave ones go, no, no, no. And then you don't have as much competition. So I think, I think this is just such a magical time. You got AI that can fuel you. And we're really stoked about this.

Speaking of AI, you can now work with AI and ask it questions. If you're confused about who you are and what you want to do. And it'll work with you to like kind of give you a way to see what Tony and I are sharing. I'm sure people are going to use it, but we just downloaded about 40 years of Tony and I into an AI and it answers like we do as a combined unit. It's pretty insane. It's wild. Yeah.

I mean, I was messing with it yesterday and I was just like, I did a weird prompt. I was like, okay, I have this business and it's doing this thing. Not to give too much information, but I was like, and if I wanted to do this, this and this, like, what would you suggest? And it like gives you all sorts of things. And it just makes you think it's crazy. It just didn't exist before. You'd have to like, kind of just come up with it out of nowhere.

So it's good. I have some hot takes with Dean. Okay. Spicy, true or false, rapid fire. Debt. Is it good, true or false? It's good Debt. Is it good, true or false? It's good, true. Why?

Because it's leverageable. You know, I know there's a lot of great people out there that say zero debt. I'd say smart debt is good. If I look at my, when I first started, I started in the real estate industry and I got in my first house with no money down, struggling to get it done. I finally got it done and I borrowed money on that first house with no money down struggling to get it done. I finally got it done and I borrowed money on that first house. It's still cash flowed because it had three units apart, three apartments in it. I took the money I borrowed and I bought another house and then I finished that one and

I borrowed money on that. I bought the third house so I put good debt. Buying a Lamborghini or a car or a watch that you can't afford that is horrible debt, it's stupid. Having your credit cards maxed and you're paying 25% so you can look good for five minutes. I would say, look like you're poor, live hard for five years so you could live great for 40. That's smart, you just lily padded it. Really smart. School sets you up for success, true or false?

False. Why? School sets you up to follow the rules. So what are you going to do with your your five and two-year-old? So I have 18 and 16. So I told the 18 and 60 year old says they were low. If they want to go to school for the experience, or my son might want to be a doctor, so he's got to, right? But if they want to go to school for the experience, they can. But they know that I feel it's a complete waste of time. I feel the same way. I'm sorry that I just said, because there's

some people going to want to shoot harpoons at me. It feels so refreshing to hear someone say that. To go to school, listen, do you know this? 76% of all people who get a degree don't use it. 76. 50% of the people who do get it, do get a job in their degree, hate the job they're in. So what do you got?

13% of people that actually use their degree and love it. And you're taught such general knowledge that you get out of school and it takes you five years to figure it out. What I told my kids was this, if you want to go to school, totally cool. Go experience it. Did they? No, they're too young. No, I'm talking about the 16 and 18 year old. My daughter's in 12th grade. No, but I don't think she's gone. Oh, I'm talking about school, school too. Like college? No, like school. Like high school? Yeah. My little kids are homeschooled. Okay. So they're never going to go to school. Yeah, I little kids are homeschooled. Okay, so So my older ones what I always told them I go to school or the other side is find something you love So for my daughter, she likes interior design

Okay So in her job right now as I said find three people that you think are the best in the world of interior design You DM them get a hold of them and tell them you're gonna be the best employee they've ever had for two years and you're free I'll support you while you go work under them. You learn from them, get ahold of them and tell them you're going to be the best employee they've ever had for two years and you're free. I'll support you while you go work under them. You learn from them, you get back. I'll help you start your interior design. If someone had told me that at 16 years old, I can tell you right now, I would be twice as successful because I, I mean, we didn't have DM back then, but, but

if someone has said, Lauren, go find something in your town. Find something in your town. You know what's really like messed up too? I was just sitting with my friend who I went to college with, we've known for forever, and I was sitting with them and we were talking about what we learned in college and we both could not. You couldn't name anything. We couldn't really name what we learned.

Anatomy. It's funny, like I got my degree from the University of Arizona in regional development. And I have not, I don't even know where my diploma is and I've never used it for one thing. I've never put it on. I don't even, I never used it once, but I did have a good time for four years. And fortunately I had some parents who supported me and footed the bill, which was, you know, I'm always grateful for, but I always think like, what would have happened if I would have just started my career four years earlier and save my parents that money?

I said, hey, let me use it. I think that's so cool that you're giving your child that advice. Yeah, that's so cool. And I pounded it into their head. So they have a choice. I think my daughter's going to follow that route. I think my son will go to college because he wants to experience it, but they have the choice. And then the two and the five-year-old are homeschooling like for the rest of the land. Yeah, because I'm in a different phase with them too. And my wife, Lisa and I have the most amazing relationship. I want them to learn.

They, they, they're not here today. One of the rare times, but they come with me everywhere. So my son and daughter are going to grow up around it while they're homeschooled. So I want them hands on training from a young age. It's funny too, Luz. I know you want to jump in, but it, a lot of the schools, and I'm just going to say this honestly, that would have never, ever looked at my application, we're just throwing it right in the trash.

We go and speak at those places now to the students. And when I hear people say, well, how are you going to get a job? Now as I hire people, I don't know where one person in this company went to college, nor do I care. I've never been one time where I'm like, oh, you went to went to so and so. I'm like, can you do this job? So think of it as general knowledge compared to specialized knowledge. Right? Would you want someone to say, I went to school for six years for marketing or somebody said,

I've been booking Facebook ads for five years straight. Who do you hire? Right? Maybe you hire the specialized knowledge. And that's kind of what our event is about is everybody owns some kind of specialized knowledge and somebody else is willing to pay for it. If you understand how to get it to them. There was a one-time job. You hire the specialized knowledge. And that's kind of what our event is about is everybody owns some kind of specialized knowledge and somebody else is willing to pay for it if you understand how to get, get it to them.

There was a young woman that started working with Lauren and I while she was, I think in high school, but then college and she was doing graphics and social media design and she did it all through it. And when she was before she graduated, she said, okay, I need to graduate so I can go to New York and I can go and apply for these jobs and da da da. And I go, what are you talking about? I was like, I'll hire you right now. I was like, you don so I can go to New York and I can go and apply for these jobs and I go what are you talking about I'll say I'll hire you right now you don't have to go to any of those places. You can skip the whole thing. And she, hi Lydia, she fought me on it for a minute and then eventually she

started and she was the first hire for Dear Media to run all our shows now she has her own business with all these great clients. Darlington. But it's but it's so fun Darlington but it's funny because I remember talking to her and she was I saw the rationale she's like I gotta go to school. That's the way you've been programmed. You need money to make money. Agree or disagree? Disagree. Why?

Think about this. If, if you could leave your children resources or be massively resourceful, which one, if you had to pick one or the other. Of course be resourceful. Why do most people hit the lotto go broke? They have money, but not resourcefulness. If you look at most entrepreneurs, most innovators, most creators, they found resourcefulness was way more valuable than resources, than money.

What do I say to you all the time? Dean agrees with me. What do I say? All I care about is my number one for my children is resourcefulness Is it I mean it's number one because they're always be fine. What if something happens to me? What if something went sideways? What if my is not worth anything anymore? You want resourcefulness? So I think I think the biggest lie we've been told is you need money to make money and what it does is It if you anchor that into people enough Then they think well, I wasn't born on the right side of the tracks.

Nobody in my family has money, so I will accept this life I don't like. So I like to be dramatic and tell people bullshit. Like, that's not true. You know what? Best thing you have AI. Go into AI, go into ChatGBT or even go to Google and type in, give me 20 entrepreneurs or business owners that started with no money. You will be shocked. It's the majority of them.

It's the majority, especially when they're solo entrepreneurs who started and built something great. Sadly too, and it's even more sad because people don't feel sorry for this group of people, but individuals who inherit a bunch of money from successful parents and then more often than not go broke or end up really struggling with whatever drugs or this and that. Like there's so many of those stories. So many stories. And I-

Resources, not resourcefulness. Yeah. And you feel, I personally feel bad for a lot of people because they're almost set up for failure from the starts. Like you're given all of these things that someone had to work really hard for with no context of what it took. And then you have no idea how to really conserve it or keep making it. And then the world's at your fingertips and there's a lot of yes. And then you, you know, you struggle. Can I tell you two quick things?

Cause your parents is they used to call it the G3 curse. Generation one makes it generation two maintains it. Generation three blows it. Cause generation three never saw grandma and grandpa working their asses off to create it. They have no association with it.

But if you rate, I geeked out on this because I never flew on a plane until I was 28 years old. My kids have never flown commercial. I've had a private plane since they were born. So how do you contextualize that? It's so difficult, right? So what I've been teaching, been whispering in my kids ears since they were little is we are a baton family. And that's how they used to do it in Europe. In Europe

you would see 16 generations and I said I am running the first leg of this relay. And when I'm done I will hand you the baton if you want to run as hard as your father. If you don't get a job and I will double your salary. You want to be a teacher at a hundred grand or 80 grand or whatever it is a year, I'll double it. But I'm not handing you this unless you're ready to run the race. So since they've been little, they know they're not getting it. They're not trust fund kids. If they want to grab the baton, I want them to be smarter, richer, happier, healthier. I want them to be so much better than me, but they're not going to get it for nothing because it just ruins lives. If you look at Aristotle Onassis, Yep. you can also see exactly what you just said with the generations.

Like go search him. I think one of like his daughter, I want to say like had a drug overdose and committed suicide, was left with a hundred million dollars and then heard like it was generational. Oh. Exactly what you did. Google the Disney family. It's the saddest story in the world.

I've never even thought about it. It's the saddest story in the world. I've never even thought about- It's so sad. Did he have kids? I didn't know that. Yeah, and completely destroyed. Like every generation, they're still fighting over the money.

It's the saddest story in the world. So it's another thing. And it seems like wealthy people problems, but I lived in a trailer park as a kid. So I have to learn how to hand off and create kids that appreciate life, that they're fulfilled, they have hustle, they have grit, and also didn't struggle.

Well, that's what I'm saying is- My favorite thing to say right now to my kids is they'll be like, "'Mom, can you hand me this?' And I'll be like, "'I made you two legs and two arms and my stomach for a reason.'" Exactly.

That's my whole theory. Get up and go get it. I love it. We're playing the world's tiniest violin for individuals who are given these kinds of things. I love that. The world's tiniest violin. But to no fault of these people's own is that if you have very successful parents or grandparents and then you're giving, like you didn't choose, your parents kind of set you up for that. I think for parents that are doing well, they need to think about this because you just see so many stories. But again, you're the last group to feel you felt sorry for because everyone's

like, yeah, too bad you got given a bunch of money and you blew it. It's your fault. There is not one person listening, including Michael and I, that should not go sign up for this event. It's free. Yes. This is an amazing opportunity, you guys, to register for the Thrive in 2025 event, visit Th thrive 350.com.

It's a three day event hosted by Dean and Tony, the godfathers. You guys are the godfathers of what? Entrepreneurship, mastermind mindset. Jesus. Resourcefulness, all of it. Uh, Dean, you can come back anytime you want. Don't wait five years. Don't wait five years.

I won't five years. I'll come back with Tony next time. We'll have fun. Yeah, come back. We'll have fun. We'll create like different chairs for everyone. Yeah, put me in a little higher, you know, that would be... Yeah, we'll sit on the floor.

Michael and him look like twins, Danny Tavito and Arnold Schwarzenegger next to each other. He's a big man. He is a big man. Dean, where can everyone find you? They have questions. Pimp yourself out. Yeah. At Dean Graziosi on social is great.

Thank you so much. The event is the most important thing. We do it once a year and it's, it's going to be a blast. It's a, I mean, it's free. Totally free. There's no reason not to do it. My thing is even if I, like I've done this with Tony's events before, put it on in the background and I'm making my bed or getting my nails done or like you're not, it's still just getting in your subconscious.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you for coming on.