The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Denise Richards Exposes The Dark Side Of Fame: Her Public Divorce, Dealing With Negativity, RHOBH, & Surviving Hollywood

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

#826: Join us as we sit down with Denise Richards – acclaimed actress, businesswoman, philanthropist, & New York Times Best-Selling author of The Real Girl Next Door. Denise skyrocketed to fame in the late ‘90s & early 2000s with unforgettable roles in classics like Wild Things, Starship Troopers, & the James Bond hit, The World Is Not Enough. Since then, she’s continued to dominate the screens, becoming a household name through her acting & modeling career. Denise later brought her star power to reality TV, joining The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills & leading her own Bravo series –  Denise Richards & Her Wild Things! In this episode, Denise gets candid about her rise to fame, her evolution from movie star to reality TV icon, what it’s really like living in the Hollywood spotlight, & how she prepared her family for the realities of being on-screen. To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To connect with Denise Richards click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone]. This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential For a better choice and peace of mind in your home, shop The Skinny Confidential Toilet Paper at shopskinnyconfidential.com. This episode is sponsored by SuppCo SuppCo is currently in beta and users can get 100% FREE access by going to supp.co/SKINNY. Podcast listeners will also get early access to SuppCo’s founding membership when it launches in early 2025. This episode is sponsored by Arrae Go to arrae.com and use code 'SKINNY' at checkout to receive 15% off and 4 free Bloat travel packs with your first purchase or autoship order. This episode is sponsored by ARMRA Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 15% off your first order. This episode is sponsored by Ritual Get 25% off your first month for a limited time at ritual.com/skinny. This episode is sponsored by OSEA Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code SKINNY at OSEAMalibu.com. This episode is sponsored by Caraway Visit Carawayhome.com/theskinny10 or use code theskinny10 at checkout to take an additional 10% off your next purchase. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. He and her. What a show. Denise Richards. We get to sit down with her and talk about her multifaceted career in the entertainment industry, her early aspirations of modeling, starship troopers, wild things, her experiences as a Bond girl, and Real Housewives. She's really done it all. She's also faced a lot of public scrutiny during her divorce from Charlie Sheen She is a mother of three

But what I like about her she emphasizes her commitment on her family even in all the chaos of fame She's lovely. She's down to earth. She's warm and and she's cool. I gotta tell you, I really like Denise. On that note, Denise Richards, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Denise Richards, so many moments that you've had that will go over in the show. We are so excited to have you. Thank you.

Michael Taylor, don't get too excited. Listen. They might've had posters on their wall. Oh. It's possible. Oh, thank you. If I go back to the- If you did, thank you.

Yeah, if I go back to the younger me. Yeah, I think like while we were dating, when we were 12, he might've had posters. I'm not sure. Well, that makes me feel really old, but thank you. No, you should feel iconic. It's amazing. I feel very old, but thank you. No, you should feel iconic. It's amazing. I feel very flattered. Thank you.

We're very excited to have you on the mic. Obviously everyone already knows you who's listening, but just give a little overview for anyone maybe who doesn't. I've done a lot of different movies, TV shows. Some of the movies that people might recognize me from are Starship Troopers, I was a Bond girl, I was in Wild Things, those are, I think, in Drop Dead Gorgeous. Those are the movies that I think that people recognize

me from, and then television, reality world especially, I would say from Housewives of Beverly Hills, was the last reality show that I did before ours. When you were a little girl, did you always know you wanted to get in the entertainment business? As a little girl, even you always know you wanted to get in the entertainment business? As a little girl, even though I grew up in Illinois and I didn't grow up around the industry, I always wanted to be an actress. I didn't know how I would be because we didn't live in Hollywood

or anything like that, but I knew that I always wanted to act. And were your parents in tune with that? Did they know? I think so to act. And were your parents in tune with that? Did they know? I think so, yeah. So what was the first moment that you dipped your toe in the acting pond? We moved to California when I was a teenager. My dad got a job transfer.

And I started modeling when I was 15 years old. And I was taking drama classes, acting classes in high school. And then I started modeling after I graduated high school and I knew that acting was something that I really wanted to do and so I just started taking acting classes. I was lucky enough to get an agency right away and just started building up my resume doing small parts. Dukie Hauser and Saved by the Bell were the TV shows that got me my SAG card, and I had one line or two lines in each show.

So that's what got my SAG card. So I just started, you know, pounding the pavement. And what's the first, like, hit? Well, I did a few pilots. They did not go. For television or? For television. Okay.

And a pilot for those of people that don't know that it's just shooting an episode, there was always this pilot season back then. Now it seems like it's all year long because all the different streaming platforms, but when I started out, it was, there was a certain time of the year where it was pilot season and we would shoot a pilot, an episode, and then if the network picked it up, then it turned into a series for the season, and I did a few of those.

One was for the creators from Married with Children. That, you know, all these did not go. One was with Aaron Spellinglling and all of us thought, oh, we got the next Melrose 90210 show, didn't go. And it was just, so I think my big break was when I got Starship Troopers because we were all unknowns pretty much except for Michael Ironside and Clancy.

They had obviously worked more than any of us actors, but it was like the first movie where I was like, oh, it's going to be in, we were like, oh, it's going to be in the movie theater. That was a great movie, by the way. That was a great movie. I remember my dad took me to that and my mom got mad. It was a violent movie. It was violent. I know. I love Paul Verhoeven.

Paul Verhoeven. Verhoeven. But yes. I'm sure he would take either way Verhoeven. Verhoeven. But yes. I'm sure he would take either way how you say it, but yes. You look so beautiful in that movie. Thank you. I know. Oh, she looks so beautiful.

I thought you said he looks so beautiful. I just said Paul, I'm like, wow. Yeah, you did look so beautiful in that movie. Thank you. Paul Verhoeven directed it, and it was with all, and we're all still, most of us are still friends from the cast, and it was just such a, it took six months to shoot. And it was just, that was my break into being in the business, really.

Even though I was doing little jobs that no one knew I was in, that was the thing that changed my career. So when you're in that movie and you're as beautiful as you are, is there a line out the door of guys that wanna date you? How does that work? I don't know. Or are they intimidated? I don't know.

When you look like that and you're on that movie. I'm not thinking about that. I'm thinking about, oh my gosh, I'm in a movie. They were thinking about you. Well, I'm not thinking about that, but thank you for saying, but I'm just thinking I'm so excited. I've worked so hard after all these acting classes

and all the rejection and everything. I got a movie that people are gonna maybe see. I think it's so important to hear you say that you got rejected so many times because so many people make it look so effortless getting into Hollywood and it is so much rejection. And that's hard, but it almost seems like it becomes like, reps. Like you just start to kind of get used but it almost seems like it becomes like reps.

Like you just start to kind of get used to it and go through it to get to the other side. Yeah, you do. And I, people that ask me that are starting out, they, my advice, my advice would is always just if this is your passion, keep going and all the rejection that it takes one job to change your career and it's worth it. It's worth the rejection and it is hard. It is not easy to be told no so many times. When I did first start, my first week of auditioning was for Saved by the Bell,

which was such a popular show back when I started out and Doogie Howser. And I thought, oh gosh, this is great. But then, you know, this is great. But then, you know, months of rejection after that. So it is it's it wasn't easy. No, I can't imagine it's it's a lot. When your career started taking off, were there any roles that you turned down, that you regret turning down? I don't regret turning them down.

I did turn down different roles that when you do see it come out you're like, oh, I always like to say like I don't have any regrets because I feel that different choices bring you where you're supposed to be and what's meant to be and you know things are learning lessons too but you know there were a lot that I turned down and there were a lot that or and some that I did do that I was like, hmm, I've done that too. So is it maybe one that came out that you're like, oh, that would have been cool if I did that one.

Yes. And I never stay. It's a secret, Michael. You'll have to go back and watch some old movies. When you found out that you were going to become a Bond girl. Were you freaking out or did you not understand what... I didn't understand the gravity of being a Bond girl. I auditioned for it and then I flew to London. They screen tested a few actresses with Pierce Brosnan and we all flew to London and then we did our

screen test and then we went back where we all lived and it was like a week or so later when they let me know that I got the part. I have said this before in interviews I've never I hadn't seen at that time a Bond movie ever at that time when I auditioned I didn't. So I didn't understand, I remember asking my agent, why am I on the news for a movie? Because at that point I had done Starship Troopers and Wild Things and I think I did Drop Dead Gorgeous or it was after I can't remember, but I didn't understand why it was news and he was like do you understand that you're in a Bond movie and I quickly knew and learned

and I I saw some movies. When you were in that movie is there anything that you had to do to prep or were you just already in shape ready to go didn't have to do anything? So I got the part I screen tested, I'll never forget it because it was Thanksgiving and my dad came with me to go to London to screen test because our family is always together on Thanksgiving. So my dad came with me and then I remember we started filming in January in London until June and the movie came out in November.

So it was quick. Oh wow, that is fast. And so what happens when it comes out and the fans see it? It's a whirlwind. It is a whirlwind of a month of promoting the movie as soon as it's coming out. You're flying to whatever country, landing, doing press conferences, doing a junket, going to the premiere, and then you go on to the next country. And that was one of the most wonderful things about that movie was I got to see the world. I got to meet all these fans that were fans

of such an iconic franchise and to be part of that. And it was really a very humbling and wonderful time that I'll never forget. You seem like you have a really special relationship with your dad. I do. Yeah, I've seen your show, your first show. Thank you. I read your book and it seems like he's very important to you and that's so sweet to hear

that he went with you. Yeah. It's really cute. Thank you. Have you guys always been like that? I've always been close to my dad. Yeah, and you still are. I am.

He seems really special and sweet. Thank are. I am. He seems really special and sweet. Thank you. He is. We're very close. He's such a good dad and a great grandpa. Even you know he always you know I was telling my older daughters who are 19 and 20 when they think I'm being overprotective I'm like you never stop worrying as a parent. My dad's never gonna stop worrying about me either even though I'm being overprotective. I'm like, you never stop worrying as a parent. My dad's never gonna stop worrying about me either, even though I'm a grown ass woman. It's just the way it is when you're a parent. So we're very close and we'll always be close.

After you finished the Bond movie, how did you decide like what the next move was? Cause I can imagine it's like you went to the moon. How do you know what to do next? It's hard. It's the thing too with when you are, the thing that I say with, you go from people not knowing who you are and when people say, oh, things happen overnight, you can work your butt off in the business of doing jobs and people don't see them and this and that.

It takes one job that changes your career, but that's also the job, sometimes the changes were, oh, people will recognize you at the grocery store or at the airport and stuff like that. So that's the thing I think is overnight, where it goes from no one knowing who you are to all the sudden people recognizing you. And I think that's something that is a little intimidating too and different. But I think, you know, having a team in place and, you know, it's not easy figuring out what should I do next or, you know, whatever movie or TV show. It's just part of it. What was after it?

I cannot remember what I did right after. Taylor, we have to pull it up. I didn't know if it was Draft a Gorgeous was before or after. What was after it? I cannot remember. Oh my gosh. I didn't know if it was Draft a Gorgeous was before or after. I'm going to guess it was after. I think it was after too. I think. After doing all this, why decide to go on Howl's Wives? That's way later.

We're not to Howl's Wives yet. We've got a lot more to go. That's way later. But I'm just wondering, like, because you had, you're doing the movies and then, like, Why would I do a reality show like that? You know, I had a friend at the time that was on the show and she, her experience was really, she had such a positive experience. And also, you know, over the years, the business has changed.

It used to be when I started out acting, if you did movies, you didn't do television. And- You did it like one or the other. Yeah, and it's so wonderful that then, over the years, that that changed, that you can do movies, you can do television, you can do reality, you can do all that.

So the business has changed a lot too. And because of my friend that was on The Housewives had such a great experience, and I had been approached for reality shows and that too, I thought, you know, why not? This could be fun and something different. You also were sort of a pioneer with reality television because of your show.

The first one. I feel like you kind of did it before the Kardashians. The Kardashians had already filmed a couple, I think a couple seasons, one or two seasons before I did. Okay. And it was Ryan Seacrest who did Kardashians too. Okay. Who did our show. At the time, for that, though, I will say,

I went through so much with my divorce from Charlie that it affected my career. I had a hard time actually getting a job because people perceived me as someone that was trying to take down Charlie Sheen, who was on this big show, and it was the network and studio, and it was a different time.

No, but that was wild. The way things were. Like even like not participate, obviously we're not actively participating, but he was all over the place during that time. Yeah, and it was hard. So I also had two daughters. I didn't have Eloise at the time and I, you know, I had to work. So what'd you do?

I did my reality show. And then you just... And then it changed. Then I was able to get back to working as an actress again because I just had to be myself on that show because there was so much written in the tablets about me that was so negative and I Wasn't one that if you say stuff it then it creates another story

So sometimes it's better to just be quiet and let that story go away But there were so many stories that was really difficult when I was going through my divorce You know so I did make the decision Ryan Seacrest approached me to do a reality show and I was nervous about it. I was hesitant because I thought, oh my gosh, to put my life out there even more than what it is. And my mom, before she passed, she's the one that actually encouraged me to do it. She's like, you just need to do it and just be yourself. And I'm glad that I did and it actually helped the perception of whatever people thought about me. And I'm glad that I did, and it actually helped the perception of whatever people thought about me.

And of course, there's always the people that still have negative feelings or think something bad about me, whatever. But at least I got to be myself without trying to defend myself in a tabloid. I just got to be myself on a TV show. I think it humanized you. And I think in that moment,

they were constantly villainizing the woman. If you look back on all the divorces at that time, it always was the woman's fault. Like they just went to the woman. Do you think that's because like Hollywood rallies was rallying around him to protect the franchise that he was working on? And so it was like, we got to not let this guy go down. It was like the golden boy that they were protecting. Which doesn't really fly anymore, I feel like.

Well, and then years after that, unfortunately, you know, with Charlie going through the downfall that he did have on the show, people saw what was really happening. I couldn't say that though at that time. It was, it wasn't my place to. Yeah, no, it was a different time and it was, of course I understood that they were protecting, you know, this was before even like all this,

this was right before all the streaming stuff was starting. This was like network television, which was a conservative show network. So yeah, of course they wanted to protect him. And I got it, I understood. Even though I didn't love it, it was not easy. How did you first meet him? Did you guys get set up by someone or did you naturally meet?

We met on a job. On a job? Yeah. Was it a movie? It was a movie called Good Advice. We met on that. And then a year, I think over a year year later I did a few episodes of Spin City he took over for Michael J Fox. I remember that. And so I did an arc on that show and that's when he and I really started to get to know each other.

Did you like him right away or no? When I met him the first time yeah yeah I had a boyfriend at the first time I met him. I like, yeah, I was always a fan of his work and I liked him. I wasn't, I didn't, wasn't romantic. You just liked him as a friend. Yeah, I liked him as a human being and like as an actor and I admired his work and all of that. So that's how, that's, it wasn't like, oh love at first sight. It wasn't that. It was more about being, you know, very respectful and admiring him as an actor. Well, I think one thing that's been so cool for me to watch is that the whole time everything's gone on in the media,

you're always so complimentary of him and supportive, even though you always seem like you're supporting your girl's father. It's an undertone and in your book when you when you when you wrote about him you use sounds like you guys have really nice memories when you first met how we wined and dined you in the beginning and it seemed like he was very charismatic. It seems like he has a great side. I wouldn't have married him. Yeah.

You know, things went a little sideways, but you're a mom. Yeah. So I always wanted to be respectful and support him as their dad. You know, no matter what's going on behind the scenes, I did my best to try to keep it as private as possible and there was many times it wasn't. But at the end of the day, I always wanted my girls to have the best relationship that they could with their dad because I have such an amazing relationship with my dad. And I wanted Charlie to always be the best version

of himself to be the best dad that he can and I'll always support that. So I never wanted to shit on anything. You've done a good job of that. Well, thank you. And I'm sure it's has not been easy. And it's not like one of those things where you can call a friend and ask for advice

because what you're going through is so unique. Well, people forget how, maybe now they forget how big Charlie Sheen was back in the day. I mean, like, he was... There was a lot of tabloids and publicity and paparazzi around all the time and trying to navigate all that. And believe me, I...

There, you know, I can't even think of one, like, when you say regrets. I don't have regrets. Did I maybe at times say something I shouldn't even think of one, like when you say regrets. I don't have regrets. Did I maybe at times say something I shouldn't have or do this? Of course. I don't know specifically, but I know, you know, when you go through a divorce as it is, it's so hard, but then to go through something so public is awful. Not that you want anyone to pity on you.

It's not that at all. It's just like trying to navigate everything. I mean, like there was that period of time when you guys were going through that where you were in and he was in a story pretty much every day. Like it was just like for, I don't know, for like months. A couple of years.

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So I'm just wondering how you maybe balanced it all. You're having a baby. I think your life changes when you become a parent, no matter whether you're in Hollywood or if you live where I grew up in Illinois. I think becoming a parent, your life changes. And any working parent, you have to balance it. If you do want to work, it's a balance.

Or if you choose to be a stay-at-home mom, I think no matter what job we do as a parent, it's trying to you have to, it's trying to juggle that. Sacrifice. I had never looked at it as sacrifice. I always looked at it as sometimes unorganized chaos or sometimes one thing gives and one thing's balanced. There was a period of quite a few years when you're in the thick of it with the younger ones, where it's like something is like off balance. Like maybe you're not able to have date night when you want to, or maybe if you do, then someone's watching the kids that night. So then it's like a constant, you know, trying to balance everything.

And I just finally was able to let go of that and say, it's okay that everything's not balanced. It's okay. So you survived. Yeah. And my advice to parents is, I think it's so important to have the couple remain a couple too. Yeah. And my husband now, he came into my life when the youngest, she was four years old, Eloise,

and now she's 13. And that's her dad. She's my youngest that I adopted. I always say, and my older girls were younger teenagers, is we would do one night a week a month where we would do like a staycation somewhere so that we could have our alone time. Even if we were at our place and they went somewhere or you know if some people can't afford to go to a hotel, I get that if you're able to even lock the room

and say they went for the night and you sneak back in your room and they don't know. Do you know what I mean? Five minutes, whatever it takes. No, even if you tell your kids, we're leaving for the night. And if people can't afford to go to a hotel or somewhere and you sneak back in and the door is locked

and they don't know you're in there. Just to have that couple time, even if you're just watching TV and connecting or having romance, whatever it is, I always am such a big advocate of the couple having the time together, you know, because without this, that can fall to shit sometimes. And it does. If if you don't I feel like if you don't stay connected It's it's not good for the kids. It's not. Oh, it's good for the kids to know that mom and Dad or mom and mom or dad and dad we're here and then you know You guys have to understand respect that we also have to have our time to put the old sock on the door I don't know what it's like having sex with me right now.

It's like an old sow on her. No. It's not the most fun thing in the world. No, but first time around, I was like, I had to get used to it. Then second time, and now third time. Wait, OK, when you say you have to get used to it, you mean having sex with her while she's pregnant?

The first time, I didn't want to hurt someone. Because you don't want to hurt the baby. Yeah, I didn't know the first time I want to hurt her cuz you don't want to hurt the baby Yeah, I get it now. I realize I can't so big that it was Poking the baby poke the baby's so huge. Oh, the baby's gonna come out deformed No, oh my god, and what happened the second time? No, no, okay second time. I'm fine. You're fine Yeah, what about third times a charm? So happy for you that you feel confident now. Yeah. It's so nice to meet you Denise. It's nice to meet you too.

And I do think you guys should do like, like once a month do a little just even one night or a day whatever. I can't wait for you to see what you plan this month I can't wait either. It's Valentine's Day by the way. No, yeah, right now our two kids are in the hotel We're all in the hotel. We're almost five days in a hotel with two kids under It's unorganized chaos exactly why and how did you decide to adopt Eloise? Tell us about that process. I always wanted more kids and I always wanted to adopt too. And then you know after my divorce I thought I don't want to wait for another partner for me to have another child. So I decided to do

have another child. So I decided to go through the adoption process on my own. And I heard it could be six months. I heard it could be three years. And I thought, well, if someone comes into my life during that time, then we'll do it together. And if not, I'm adopting on my own. And so what happened? How long?

I adopt on my own, a year and a half. Year and a half. And what is it like when you adopt a baby? I mean, for someone that has no idea, do they call you and say, hey, come pick her up? No. Well, it depends on the situation. And does the stork drop the baby at the door?

No, the stork doesn't drop the baby off. It depends on the situation. I think in some situations they could call and say that there's a baby, you have to go through a long process of, it's a process. In my situation, I was, knew Eloise was going to be born about five months prior to her birth. Oh that's cool, so you had five months to plan. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And so then you get her right when she's a brand new baby. Did you name her after Eloise at the plaza?

No, I've always loved the name Eloise. Beautiful. And, but I asked them and Lola, they loved the name too, because we had the book too, but I've always loved that name. My daughter had an Eloise birthday party. She's obsessed with Eloise. And it was so fun. She had like the little hotel dingers on the table.

There's a lot of wonderful things for, because actually Eloise's baby shower after she was born was Eloise themed. Oh, cute. There's so many wonderful things that you can have with the name Eloise. It's the most beautiful name. I love it. Thank you. And then Sophia Richie just named her baby Eloise too.

Oh, she did she did. Oh so after your first reality show ends, what is the Gap between that and real housewives. What were you working on? Oh quite a few years I did different movies TV shows. I was on a lot of different things and then housewives came 2018 okay, I did my first season and then Housewives came 2018. Okay. I did my first season on Housewives. And they wanted you for a long time, I feel like.

Your name was always on the, I always feel like Andy Cohen was wanting you. So this time, with this, I was friends with Lisa Rinna. Yeah. And I asked her, I said, I think I'm ready. So I met with them. You gotta be ready. And it was great.

We had a great first season. And then, how many seasons were you on? I was on two seasons. And then I've done a few episodes after I've been off the show. Cause I'm still friends with a lot of the women on the show. What is the process like?

Is it as grueling as it seems? Or are they editing it up? I was like... And this is why people make fun of me. I was a dear in headlights. I mean, my first trip was to the Bahamas, which was my second day of filming, I believe, on The Housewives.

Second or third day, I'm leaving for the Bahamas with these women that I didn't know. And I was really nervous. And I told my husband, I said, I think I need to look at this like I'm going on location. You know, I only know Lisa Rinna. I met a couple of the other women, but I didn't know the women enough to like go on a, hey, let's all go on a trip together. So it was intimidating for me. And I went there and I, going to the Bahamas,

I don't know about you, but I don't bring fancy clothes to a tropical area. You want to relax. I want to relax. So I apparently brought the wrong wardrobe, being a housewife. And they certainly let me know that. I was the ragamuffin on the show. Who called you that again? Kyle and I'm sure the others did but maybe

they didn't air their comments about it. I'm sure they've called me much worse. No, I am a housewives watcher. I watch all the shows and seasons. I wish I knew you because I would have sent you a PowerPoint presentation of what everyone... How to win? Not like win. It's not a win. I think it's just how to... come in. I didn't want to do that, though.

That's what I was just going to say. What I liked as a viewer about you is I found it endearing. Lauren watches all these shows, different kinds of shows, and she thinks she can either win them or like... No, it's not, I just, I just, this is my vice. I like to watch Housewives. She fully thinks she could win The Bachelorette, The Bachelor. I could win The Bachelor.

She's like... I mean, The Bachelor. She thinks there's like the strategy. There is a strategy to that. No, no, the producers, they're gonna do their thing. I might outproduce the producer. I think a lot of people think that. Have you gone on Traders? Maybe you should go on that.

I've never gone on anything. No, she just goes, she like yells at the TV and has... I would teach them how to do it. I don't yell, I just give notes. I found it endearing that you were like... this amazing actress that's so beautiful, that does have access to all the clothes and the makeup and the hair hair and you came on as yourself

So the housewives that were saying like what are you wearing? Like you already have had all that do you know what I mean? You've already been there done that Well when I met with the producers before I did the show I'll never forget I was wearing jeans and a Guns N' Roses t-shirt. Casual. And I said, this is how I am at home. You guys have seen me on the red carpet, at events, this, this, and this. I said, I could, I'll do that, but if you want or do you want me to be myself at home? And they said, we want you to be you. So at home I'm not wearing glam at home.

Some people are on the show. Some people are. Well. Or are they? I don't know. We don't know. But I just like I'm not wear sometimes I wish I would wear glam to the grocery store because when there's paparazzi I'm like well shit why'd they take that fucking picture. I know but it's so uncomfortable. I know but it's always like I'm like how come they don't see me when I'm coming home from like this or whatever. Yeah hopefully they catch you on the way out. Yeah and maybe I'll go to the grocery store and see. Yeah go to the grocery store. And that's the other thing who calls paparazzi. Oh my god. I mean they're everywhere you don't need to fucking call. They fucking call. I'm sorry for swearing on here. Are you kidding? It's been done before many times.

No, go for it. Swear away. Okay, thank you. But I'm just like, it's like they always catch me when I look my worst. But I, but that was the thing when I did Housewives, I wanted to be myself. I didn't, for better or worse, you know,

it was, that's how I went into it. I liked that though. Well, thank you for saying that. Yeah, I think and I actually think the viewers like it too. The viewers can spot when something feels off. Yeah. Inauthentic, they can see and then the producers take that and make a mockery of it, kind of like you can see when someone's not being themselves. So I like that about you. I think sometimes though, it's the other women sometimes take it and say things and try to

instigate a little tiff or whatever. They're looking for a breadcrumb. You know I think some viewers liked that I would but I think some viewers were like oh we wanted her to come on all glam or whatever. I just felt to be glam when I would be glam in real life, like a red carpet or an event or something. I think you can't win. You know what I mean? You can't. If you came on like-

That's why I wanted to be myself. Because at least I could say, well, I was myself. If I did try to self produce or do something or dress a certain way, just to, you know, appease an audience, then that's where I think, for me, it wouldn't be good for me to do that. And I feel like in Housewives, like everyone starts out like that and then they evolve into their glam. Well, my second season, I did do more glam and some of the women did shit on me about

that and I told them, I'm like, well, look look I saw myself on TV and I'm like maybe I should like spruce up a little bit I don't want to look like shit the entire season. Also when you're next to like going to the mat ball. Well with Erica Jane like always and Dorit I'm like I don't want to look always look like a rag of fucking muffin so I'll like spruce up a little bit, and they gave me shit for that too, but whatever. When you go into all these trips with the women, is that a lot of stress?

You're away from your house, there's alcohol, they're all drinking, they're fighting, it's like, it seems like a lot. How many kids do you have? I have two, I'm an old three. You have a third coming. Sometimes work is like a little vacation that work

I'm saying sometimes sometimes okay. It's like You're you know when the kids are gonna be calling you. Yeah, you're like mommy's away I'm a little too far. Go call dad go call a friend Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, there's sometimes like all of us is not I don't mean to sound bad with this. It's any mom or dad will say like, it's sometimes kind of nice. I'll tell you the trips. Listen, I only did two seasons where I had the two trips. It's a nice thing to have a group of women be able to go away.

You go to a beautiful place. You have these wonderful dinners, even if you're fighting about God knows what at some table at some fucking dinner, it's still, it's something you'll never forget. And these are memories too that I will never forget. Yeah. It really, truly, even if some of them were crazy

and hard for me, some of them were great. I have had a lot of laughter and all the other women too. There's something nice and nostalgic about that that brings you back like when you were younger and you got to go on a girls trip before you're married and you have kids and you have a, you know, doing this and other jobs. It's nice to be able to have that time too. That's a little relief. It's nice. Why did you decide to leave?

There was a couple reasons. I had a terrible second season and we were in the height of the pandemic. Terrible in what way? Like you're just fighting with people or? Michael, does, Michael, I know the ins and the outs. The women try to insinuate, well, more than insinuate, that I had, so I got married my first season on the show, actually, to my husband. We've been married for six and a half years now. And my second season, they tried to insinuate

that I cheated on him and had an affair, which was really, really shitty. Like mean. And did you know that they were gonna do this? Or did they just like, okay they blindsided? No, I was totally blindsided. It was actually cruel. And it was, and also it was with a cast member

who was on the show before that wasn't even, I met her only a couple of times, whatever. So it was a combination of, and my friend of 20 years was coming at me, who I was so shocked at how different she was on camera and off camera. And I just felt, I felt very vulnerable that during the pandemic, how are we going to move forward filming and how, and then what more, what would they do next?

You know, my husband's- They'd already tried to destroy your marriage. Yeah. And I was like, well, shit, they're not trying to get past this. Like the reunion, if they, a lot of the women weren't trying to resolve anything. So I thought, well, I'm not going to have any friends on this show anyway, except for Garcelle and Sutton. So I really felt like I wanted to be, how am I going to go on a show where everyone

hates me except for, you know, two? And what more would they try to do to my, my marriage is so important, my family. So that was the reason why. And the pandemic was just such a weird time too, where I just, it was an extra added, um, being vulnerable. So it was a combination. And the reunion was on Skype, Skype. Yeah, we did it. Um, yeah, we were all like on a Zoom for the reunion. Because it was a combination. And the reunion was on Skype. Yeah, we did it. Yeah, we were all like on a Zoom for the reunion. Because it was the pandemic.

Why do you think they turned on you? Like what... I think that they need, you know, sometimes, I think they feel they have to go after one person, which I think does a disservice, quite frankly, with the show and with the women. It's like if you have something to say, OK, get past it, move on and then fight about something else. I actually think it kind of gets boring when they just focus on one thing

to fight about. But I don't know. It was like I was that target that you're now. And now looking back, I get it. How some of the some of the women, not all the women are like that. But just how do you watch any of the other franchises or shows you watch the current show? I've only seen a few episodes of this season of Beverly Hills.

I still have to catch up on that, but I do see a lot of the other cities of the other Housewives. I love the franchise. That's why I actually went and did it. It's a great franchise. I do think though, when they go so hard on someone, there's stuff going on in their life that they're deflecting.

Well, look at what's... Yeah. I think that when you have something going on that you don't want anyone to look at, you project it. I agree with you. And I think that if you look back in the history of what has happened since she left the show, that's exactly what was going on.

I think though when they have something in their life that's going on, they don't want the light on them, so they're like looking for anything they can look for. And I will say, your marriage to Erin seemed really sweet throughout the whole show. It seems like you guys have a really good relationship. We do. How do you guys stay so solid in all this craziness? We just are. That's the thing. You guys seem like a sweet couple. Thank you. I mean we're, we're, we love each other so much. She's my best friend and we're really close and connected and even during all of that people will ask me like what did he think about he didn't even question anything you know so we're just really

connected we just have a very strong relationship and marriage yeah you seem solid but you guys also seem like you have a child likeness to you which is fun you keep it flirty and fun my dad always says a good relationship is like, remain childlike. We are just very, we have a sense of humor about stuff and you know, even we go through ups and downs too, like everyone and during the down, like we try to have a sense of humor and we get through stuff and you know,

we love being with each other we're really we're very close. So why did you decide hey we're gonna go back on reality television and we're just gonna let it rip? I think because well it was a conversation too because of my daughters making sure we wanted this wasn't just like should we do this and that was the next day we were filming. Right. It was a process of us really talking to the girls, making sure everyone was on board, who is, who wouldn't do it.

And figuring out then what the show would be, who, who would be, if the girls weren't going to be involved, like how, what would the show be? And if they are going to be involved and how involved they would want to be. And it was just a family decision where we were like, yeah, let's do this. Let's have fun and do it. They wanted to do it. They're ready. They were ready. Oh, my God. Now we'll see once it airs, if they're ready. I'm just joking. No, I know it's a lot like, and this is something that I've also talked to them

about is to be prepared. You can't prepare for certain things, you know, when, but I just try to also prepare them, which I have for a long time with social media and stuff like that, but when this isn't them being on a show of, oh I'm showing up a couple scenes on Housewives, they are very much a main part of the show. So that was also something at their age I I went back and forth with quite frankly. I was like, you know. How old are they?

They're 19 and 20. Okay, so they're adults. And then Eloise is 13. But it's more same in Lola being 19 and 20. This age is where I were, you know, worried about the comments or people's opinion and stuff like that. One of my most asked questions is what prenatal am I taking?

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reality TV? Like is it, is it the same, is it similar? Is it different? Like are the- It's well with reality people, I think it's the same now because with reality people think they really know you, because they see your home, they see intimate parts of your life. But at the same time, with anything, with movies, now with social media,

because we give a glimpse of our life with that, it's, people still think they know you. So I think fame in itself, when people know who you are, is that... Like, does it feel... Does it, did it feel like you had more attention from Housewives or more attention when you were doing the Bond stuff?

Because I feel, I just imagine it might be different. It was different because back with Bond, there was physical magazines that were tabloids everywhere. It was worldwide. And yeah, but Housewives is also worldwide. So back when I did Bond, the, the, there was, it was just a little different with magazines and being on covers and tabloids.

And now here we are where it's like instant with social media, things go viral in a second. There could be stories out about you where they don't have, there is no, oh, we want to comment. They don't care, they'll just print it because they, you know, it's so fast the way things are. So it's just a little different, but it's the same as far as not, where people will recognize who things are. So it's just a little different, but it's the same as far as not

where people will recognize who you are. And that's the thing, you know, my daughters grew up in the spotlight of being the daughters of two parents. Now they're on a show where it's, they're going to where it's them as themselves. Does that make you know what I mean? And so that's the thing that I was, I try to talk to them about. I think though it's cool that they're able to get on a show like this and then they can kind of have control of where they wanna take it. Yeah.

Like you could really, when you have a reality platform, you can really do anything you want. As we've seen, Bethany Frankel launched her Margarita Line. People have launched books, they've launched, it gives you a platform to do a lot of different things. Absolutely. So I think... I mean, I think it's probably gonna be amazing for them to kickstart whatever career they want.

I agree. Yeah. What have you cautioned them against? Or what have you told them to look out for? Oh, my God. She probably needs another hour to tell them that. Probably. And then I'll help you with... Oh, geez. I mean, by the time your kids are my girls age, can

you imagine where- We're going to become all mature when they're 12. Like we're going to just, we're going to go move out to the middle of it. Can you imagine like social media? Like I didn't, it didn't exist when my girls were born. I hope the pendulum swings where people- It goes back. You know what though?

They're just going to want to be off their phone more. I actually think that your generation, because you didn't, because you guys just one day social media was just here, maybe had a more challenging time than our generation will with teaching kids. Because I'll tell you why. Like we'll go and speak at schools sometimes. And I always tell the kids when I'm speaking, like, you have to decide if you're a consumer or if this is a tool. And if you're just mindlessly consuming, then that's not good.

Like, you got to use this as a tool. But the reason we know that is like it's been businesses in our life. But my parents, for example, they would have no idea what to do to tell me anything about it. So a lot of times, they're just like, a lot of parents, you know, not their fault, but they, you know, gave access to certain things early because they didn't understand it. And it's not their fault, but they didn't have the context of like how to frame out, how to use these things.

Even if you are able to, as a parent, to stop your kid going on social media, my kids were able to... I don't think you can stop them. You can't. When they were younger. Sure. When it's, you know, I tried to stop that, you know, or and educate them. So I think, but if you're talking about some, when people are in the public, my generation, we grew up with being in the public when all of my peers that are in the public eye, it

was tabloids. And then it moved to that. Whether it's tabloids or that, your private life is out there. So that's the thing that is trying to navigate that when your kids are in the spotlight. I mean, like, I don't even like to go on TikTok. I just have, I post and I get off.

I can't imagine a little girl's brain going on there. Like, I'm like, how does, like, a 10-year-old go on TikTok? I guess what I'm saying is, in a similar vein, like, I imagine because you guys were so public and you were in the tabloids, you're able to equip your daughters with what it will be like if that starts to happen. We try to.

Or like, if a parent has no experience with social media or they have no experience with the tablets, and then the kid goes into it, it's like you don't have the tools to teach them anything. You know what I mean? Like, because of the career that you've had, you're probably able to talk to your children in a different way than someone who hasn't had that experience. But they pretty much don't listen.

Yeah, Michael, I can't... Let's pull this clip when Zaza comes to you and says, dad, I want to go on social media. No, I know she's gonna go. I can't wait. I can't. They think they know what they're talking about. I'm gonna get on her algorithm every single night

and there's like puppies and cats. Like it's the, I'm gonna whisper in her phone, like flowers and butterflies. Train her phone to like just show like good things on the feed. Listen, it's the wild, wild west out there. These are rapid fire questions. I'm trying to visualize a trainer phone to like just show like good things on the feed. Listen, it's the wild wild west out there.

These are rapid fire questions. Okay. One word to describe your life right now. How would you describe your life right now in one word? Okay, you can use more than one word. Okay. I mean, it's organized chaos always. That's how I always look at it.

That's how I would describe mine too. What's one lesson that you've learned the hard way? One lesson? Here's the thing that my mom always said to me was, especially because when I started going through my divorce, is this too shall pass. So that is a lesson that I will never ever forget that my mom taught me and I will always remember it and hopefully my daughters

will too. What's a wellness or beauty routine that's changed your life? I mean I've always made fresh juices since I was an early 20s, late teenager, I've always worked out drinking two liters of water a day. So I've just always been like healthy. What's the Denise Richards workout? What's your workout of choice? So I do Pilates, but I did special forces. And I, right before I did it, I hired this amazing trainer, his name's Josh, at this place called Proactive out in Westlake, and they train a lot of the athletes.

And it is the most incredible, like I don't like going to gyms. I love going there. Why? It's a gym. They have a chef. And they also have a great recovery program where they have infrared saunas. They have a treadmill that has water for your joints.

They have an altitude room to run on the treadmill. It's just like a... It's like a well... I spent a few hours there a day right before I did Special Forces. It's like a wellness retreat. It's an amazing, incredible place where... So for the first time in quite a few years, I incorporated weights, because I was always just Pilates, so I do that now too. I love it.

We're big fans of weights for women here. What's your most surreal holy shit moment of your entire career? Well, I think doing Bond. I mean, I met Prince Charles during that time. Well, he's King Charles now. I think... Was he nice? He was.

Very. I bet his eyeballs popped out of his head. Would you stop? I bet they did. What are you going to say? He's like, no, King Charles is a dick. My eyeballs fell out meeting him. No, it was, I think that was a moment just seeing, being, realizing, okay, I'm part of this incredible,

iconic franchise where many generations watch. So I think that's it. You've worked with some of the biggest Hollywood names. Who surprised you the most in a good or bad way? I don't, I mean. Could be like, who's like your favorite? My favorite? Yeah.

There's too many to even. Who's like someone that we, like you loved working with, cool, often on set. How was Pierce? He's great. Okay. He seems great. Pierce is a class act.

He's wonderful. I would think so too. Kevin Bacon, the best ever. So cool. And he's still married. I know, and his wife is so lovely. His wife was. And he's still married. I know. And his wife is so lovely. So his wife was on.

Pierce is still married too. He's still married. Um. He was a great bond too. He was a great bond. He was a great bond. He, he's really cool. Pierce and Kevin Bacon.

They're awesome. Okay. Last question. If you could sit across, and this question was asked by our audience, a lot of people ask this. If you could sit across, and this question was asked by our audience, a lot of people ask this. If you could sit across from your younger self and say one thing to her, what would it be?

Maybe you could also give advice that you'd give your daughters. Buckle up, it's going to be a crazy ride, girl. But hang in there. Tell us about your show that's launching March 4th. What can we expect? You got your own show on Bravo. Tell us all the things about it. The show is called Denise Richards and her wild things and it premieres on Bravo and then Peacock. Me, my kids, my husband, lots of familiar faces, friends, and it is just

the crazy dynamic of our family. Blended family, we've got my ex-husband's other ex-wife, she's in it. It's just we're a blended crazy family. Brooke's in it. Brooke's in it. And you and Brooke are like friends, huh? Yeah, I've always tried to... We've had our ups and downs and we do address that in the show too,

but you know, we try to keep things good and great and positive for the kids we've we've had our time up and down but we're we're really great for a while yeah so it's good Charlie makes an appearance he's great and it's it's just you know our family Charlie makes an appearance on the show too. Yes. Erica Jane was in the trailer. Yes. So that's going to be a big moment. Yeah.

Erica, Camille, Tori, my ex, well I have two exes in there. Charlie and Patrick Muldoon. So it's just, one thing I will say is that I love that the girls do too is they, everyone's themselves. We are ourselves. This isn't it's us yeah it's us for better or worse it's us what else are you working on anything we can support it looks like you're also involved in a charity is there any anything else that you want to pimp out anything else I want to promote our show and I hope

everyone watches it starting March 4th also I'm just saying your book is really good if you guys are looking for a good biography it's a good book. Taylor get my wild things poster out so she can sign before she leaves. Taylor's getting his out and Taylor also has the Bond poster and the Star Trek poster. Thank you Denise. Where can I just send your Instagram out really quick? Just Denise Richards. It's the one with the blue check. Thank you for coming.

Yeah, you look that up, there's probably a lot. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me.