The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dr. Dennis Gross On Healthy Skin, Preventing Aging Signs, & The Key Ingredient To Skin Health & Radiance

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

#516: On today's episode we are joined once again by our friend Dr. Dennis Gross, MD. Dr. Gross is a board-certified dermatologist and dermatological surgeon who has been in practice for 25+ years. He is well-known for his expertise in skin health as well as his approach to creating and maintaining the most natural-looking skin utilizing state-of-the-art cosmetic treatments and dermatologic technology. Today Dr. Gross returns to the show to discuss healthy skin, how to prevent signs of aging, & the key ingrediant to skin health and radiance.  To connect with Dr. Dennis Gross click HERE To watch Lauryn's Masterclass click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara is a wellness company anchored in food as medicine, on a mission to nourish your body through the power of plants. Feeling your best starts with what you eat. Skara helps you live a healthy, balanced lifestyle and truly enjoy it. Go to www.sakara.com/SKINNY or use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Lexus The Lexus RX is the best-selling luxury crossover of all time and the best-selling luxury vehicle every year since it was first introduced. Never lose your edge with the all-new Lexus RX. Experience Amazing at your Lexus dealer. This episode is brought to you by Tommy John Every Tommy John bra and bralette has the perfect combination of comfort and support-with cross convertible straps, wireless cups for comfort, and cool cotton for ultra breathability. Go to Tommyjohn.com/skinny to get 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by BFB Hair BFB launched 7 new, dimensional shades earlier this year. Now, more than ever, there's the perfect shade for you. Use code SKINNY15 at checkout for 15% off all hair products at BFBhair.com. This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotikah is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off your first purchase, or 30% off of a custom bundle at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Alo Moves. Alo Moves streams on-demand yoga, fitness and mindfulness classes, and is an extension of the wildly popular Alo Yoga--athleisure brand. Alo Moves is the one stop shop for everything wellness- just need one app that has everything. Go to Alomoves.com and use code SKINNY for 50% off your annual membership- available for a limited time. Produced by Dear Media

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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. If your skin is dry, not moisturizing your skin every single day to stick to some sort of cycling routine means that your skin is being left out of balance. Hydration is so crucial. Think about hydration. How much water do we need to drink? That's like everyone knows we got to drink water. How can you deny your skin hydration for the sake of saying I'm on this new cycling craze?

You can't use a moisturizer just a couple times a week and then say, okay, don't do it. Don't do it. Repeat. You got to hydrate every single day. Dr. Dennis Gross, Dr. Dennis Gross, he might have the record learn of most appearances on this show. Has it been four times, five times? Honestly, he's been on this podcast four times and then he was on my mini series, Get the Fuck Out of the Sun once. There are certain people that come on the show that are just phenomenal. Dr. Dennis is one of them. And over the years, it's interesting to think about our relationship, Lauren, I and him relationship. It's evolved. And I would say I would go as far as saying now that we have become friends and we love having him on the show because we can touch on so many different things. But it's even better that we have this kind of relationship we've built over four or five years talking at different intervals, talking about different times. And the guy is an encyclopedia when it comes to skincare and also just so many other things in life. And so we love

having him on. To give you a little background, he gave Michael Botox for his first time on air. He also filled my lips and he filled them so well. I was obsessed. I can't wait to go back to him. He's someone who I respect in this industry so much. And if you're unfamiliar with his work, he is a board-certified dermatologist. He is all about getting the fuck out of the sun. He wrote the foreword for my book. I love him so much. He's been in practice for 25 years and is the founder of Dr. Dennis Gross Dermatology. You've seen it in Sephora. You've seen it on QVC, on Nordstrom's. I talk about it all the time. I am absolutely in love with the oil-free moisturizer. It's bouncy and it lays amazing You've seen it in Sephora. You've seen it on QVC, on Nordstrom's. I talk about it all the time. I am absolutely in love with the oil-free moisturizer. It's bouncy and it lays amazing under foundation. And a huge fan of his vitamin C. He is everywhere. You've seen his orange bottle.

I mean, it's all over Instagram. And in this episode, we're going to discuss so many niche subjects. Like I said, every time he comes on the show, he delivers. And all of the topics that we cover are still relevant today. So not only listen to this one, but listen to all the other times he's been on the podcast, because like I said, he's just a phenomenal guest. Let's welcome Dr. Dennis Gross to the podcast, The Man Behind Michael's Glowy Skin. This is The Skinny Confidential, him and her. We were just telling Dr. Dennis off air that there is a doctor that wants to microneedle his penis on air yeah i told him he needs to be really unconscious for that

i'm not doing it i'm not doing it i don't even think it's i mean a spinal block for that i would imagine would work but you i mean forget about like numbing cream i don't think it's going to be uh it's going to be sufficient. I heard that you can microneedle like different body parts. Yeah. I don't think I'm thinking about the penis. No penis. Okay.

I've made it this far. What's the weirdest place that you've ever microneedled anyone in your office? Like the most bizarre place. Nothing crazy. Boobs, butt. Boobs for like a scar from an implant? Yeah. Well, you know what?

For a little bit of crepiness, which is now like a big deal. Crepiness. Yeah. What is crepiness? You were just telling Lauren off here. I have no idea what crepiness. Do I have crepiness? Am I in trouble? I don't see it from here at all. What is crepiness? So crepiness is, and this is mostly important, most important on the face. Crepiness is like the little bit of crinkling you start to see on the skin. It's like before you get the wrinkle, it looks like cigarette paper kind of consistency. It's a little bit, really what it is, it's like a little looseness, a little surface looseness to the skin. It's funny because I used to have this friend who was 50 years old and she had a disease that I'm not sure what it's called, but the disease was loss of collagen. So her whole life, she never had collagen and her skin was always, and she would complain to me all

the time, that crepiness that you're talking about. It's kind of like, I'll try to show you a picture, but I'm sure people can Google what it looks like. Yeah. I can show you my back of my hand. It looks like you did this to your skin, like pinch your skin, that little bit of crepiness that you start to see. That's it. That's it. Pinch the back of your hand gently. And then you start to see that texture change, that little bit of loosest on the surface. And by the way, that is collagen loss. So elderly people have this. No way. That's the thing. Younger people, that's the first sign of aging. It's the first sign of collagen loss. And it's what happens to younger people. I mean, younger people, 25, 26 start to see it.

And it's the first sign of losing collagen. And the reason that's so important, and we're talking about trends, this is the trend. I mean, I think it's a good thing that people are looking at magnifying mirrors and asking for help when they start to see things or inquiring about whether this is significant, because that is significant, right? Because it's a loss of collagen super high up in the skin. Actually, it's the layer of collagen between the epidermis and the dermis. It's like the glue that holds them together. So really what crepiness is, is that the top layer of skin is no longer bound to the lower layer and they're moving, they're gliding independent of each other. But that's

collagen loss. And then with time, you get fine lines. More than that, you get wrinkles and sagging and laxity. So it's the first, first sign of aging. And I call it the crinkle before the wrinkle. That's what we talk about. Give us a tangible, easy three steps that we can do to prevent creepiness. But before you do that, when you talk about this collagen loss, it sounds like this is not just like maybe a skin issue, it's an aging issue. You're seeing it in younger people. Are there things that you're seeing people do now that are accelerating collagen loss? This is the human race. This is how our skin ages as human beings. And we just start to age in our mid-20s and 30s, we start to see it. And so people know fine lines and wrinkles and you can see the fore and afters about that. But crepiness, that crinkling,

is something that, first of all, prevention, sunscreen, obviously, right? Because the sun breaks down collagen. Remember, this is the top layer of collagen in the skin. So the sun with its intensity does the most damage at the surface before it actually penetrates deeper. Then it loses more energy, but that's where the damage occurs. So you start to see crepiness first and foremost. Sunscreen prevents that. Other things you can do, I think you do peels. I'm really a big believer. You do vitamin C. Products matter a lot. Products that can help stimulate your collagen and also improve the integrity of your collagen, really good for crepiness. And then procedurally,

I think right now the game is all about the microneedling and radiofrequency technology. I love the Qterra Secret Pro, big time. Microneedling is different, right, than PRP or are they the same thing? Totally different. How so? Because first of all, because microneedling, first of all, microneedling is different, right, than PRP or are they the same thing? Totally different. How so? Because first of all, because microneedling, first of all, microneedling is different than what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about just microneedling.

I'm talking about microneedling laser. So microneedling is like this. It looks like a handpiece on a laser that I'm talking about. And it actually, 64 little tiny minuscule needles go into the skin at a depth that we can gauge, that we can decide on what's right for the client. And here's the new innovation. So micro-needling alone, I was never a super fan of it because that's supposed to stimulate collagen, but I didn't even offer it. I just didn't think it was so helpful. But the new innovation is, the brilliant new step is, you actually can release

laser through the opening of the needle when it's inside your skin. It's sick. And now when you can do that and you go right to the depth the individual needs based on their body part and their age and the thickness of the skin you're treating, that radiofrequency laser is now delivered into the skin, like the middle layer. And the key thing there is that's exactly where the skill set in the cells called fibroblasts that make collagen live. So now you have the needle delivering the laser into that layer of skin, stimulate the fibroblast cell, steps up their game. They make more collagen, right?

Crepiness gets better, fine lines get better, firming is accomplished, and no downtime. Because you notice you bypass the top layer of skin. So it's not fraxel. It's not ablated. And I love that. How much is this though? Because this is what people always say. They're like, I can't afford it. What would you recommend? I mean, how much does it cost? Depends on how much you do. And depends on what city you live in.

My practice starts at $800. And I think that that is the way to start people with crepiness or who wouldn't get a jumpstart on the aging process. How often do you have to do it? You do it once. I mean, it's usually a series of three treatments, you know, and it's something that... But it's not something you have to do like every quarter or every...

No, no, no. Once the collagen is stimulated, it's yours. You don't need to do anything else, right? You might want to do another touch-up, one treatment in a year or two or three if you need it, but there's no rules, you know? The most important thing is that it's non-invasive, so there's no downtime. That's super important. And then the results are real. So as opposed to filler, which is just temporarily giving you more volume, this is your skin really firming up, really getting more thick, more dense. And that's important. Dr. Dennis, I'm seeing something, you know, I can't help it. I'm seeing that people are using filler thinking it's going to help the crepiness, but what ends up happening is it tightens the skin

and brings the crepiness up more. Do you know what I'm talking about? What, like we need a name for this. It's like, it's like they fill the face to think it's going to fix the creepiness, but they're not actually fixing the problem of the skin before they fill the skin. So it ends up making them look older. Yeah, it's, it's absolutely true. What's the name of that? Do you know what? It's, it's called misguided treatment.

Right. It really is. So yeah, fillers, I think a trend of this whole overfilling and trying to like plump the skin and stretch it so you get every nook and cranny to come up and smooth out, I think it's been kind of a failure. So I'm really seeing that's a huge trend for me. I think, and if anyone's listening, less filler everywhere. I personally think that filler is starting to be a sign of people who are older, not younger. I don't think it's very useful. I think if you have a really great injector that's just doing a little bit here and there, great. But when their face keeps coming out, out, out,

out, and then also the width of the face. Have you noticed that? Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. So what do you do when someone comes to your practice and they're like, I got totally blotched by this filler. What do you do? What do you do? Well, you can inject an enzyme and take it down, right? So I'm always undoing a lot of bad work. You can also wait for it to come down naturally. That's another option. But I have never believed, and I always did, just start with a certain amount of filler, whether it's in the cheeks, even the lips, and then start conservatively.

Come back in a week. If you think you need more, if we agree you need more, we'll do it. But it's so much easier to do it gradually and really get used to what you look like and make sure it's natural looking rather than just overdoing it. I kind of think that that was always a bad idea. I never did that. Do I need filler anywhere? Not at all. You swear there's nowhere. I would not recommend it at all. I saw you walk in the door right when you walked into the studio. And you went like this with your eyes. I did. I can't open. I know. And then and I said no filler.

No filler. I swear to you. I would tell you. Well, here's the thing about me right now. And I think this is also an important conversation. I'm 20 pounds heavier than normal because I just had a baby. So to put filler in me right now when I'm trying to lose weight is counter active, right? Correct. Yeah. You have to get back to your baseline. Right. That's the key. You gotta see what a person really looks like and you got to wait. And I doubt very much you're going to need filler then. But right now, that would be really a bad move.

You'd regret it. Things are already puffy right now as it is. Yeah. I don't need to be putting more puff in my face right now. Let me ask you this. This collagen, like, so I'll take like a collagen peptide powder supplement. I'll put in my coffee in the morning. Is that doing much for me?

Oh, he's going to destroy you. You know this is his answer. You know, your face is not, it's not looking like I'm going to get a good answer here. He's going to say you can't eat your collagen. You can't eat your collagen. What about through like meat sources and stuff? Well, that's amino acids, right? Okay.

Even eating collagen is just eating, it's going to turn into amino acids, right? It's going to be broken down. Like, you know, the brick wall that is collagen in the skin, if you eat it, it really turns into like not the wall, but the little tiny bricks. Then it's going to be reassembled by the skin, but you can do that by eating, like you said, meat. So we just did a whole crazy episode on amino acids and complex means of making sure that you're getting the essentials. And so you're saying like, if you do that, you have a greater chance of collagen production. Right. Which is why healthy diet is all, that's what it takes to really optimize your skin and

getting your skin having the sources to make its own collagen. So are you a fan of meat or collagen production? Well, here's the thing. I'm a fan of protein, right? Right, protein, yeah. Protein. You just need protein. And by the way, if you Google how much protein you need, you know what it is? It's like the size of a five by seven index card per day, right? It doesn't matter if it's fish or it's poultry or it's... And you can also get it in plenty of vegetables. A lot of grains have proteins. You can eat more of it, but you don't need a lot. Human body's really

efficient. So as long as you get your protein, you're getting your protein, the source of amino acids, and then you make everything from whatever, thyroid hormone to collagen, right? That's what the human body needs. So I'm just always a believer in, my motto is what's good for the heart's good for the skin.

Heart healthy diet is also skin healthy diet. You told me, and I've asked you this many times, that across the board, there's two things that everyone should be using if they want to be preventative. And that is vitamin C and LED light. Yes. Is there anything else that goes in that equation or it's just those two things that you would say for everyone? Well, the sunscreen, right?

I mean, sunscreen's key. I mean, if you have to pick two ingredients, I love LED. I really do. I love vitamin C. It wouldn't hurt to do peel pads. It wouldn't hurt to do the retinol. It wouldn't hurt to, you got to use your sunscreen.

That's not negotiable. But in terms of technology and ingredients, I think that here's what's going on with me in terms of production of vitamin C. I have discovered that when you combine vitamin C with another ingredient called lactic acid, that it takes vitamin C to the next level in terms of what it can do for your skin. It really can. So there's a lot of vitamin C out there. So did you change your first vitamin C formulation? I did.

Oh, because I saw you, I'm a big fan of your products, obviously. And I saw that the packaging looked a little different. You changed it. Revamped everything. Oh, wow. So yeah, that's what's really exciting. I do a lot of research. We really found that lactic acid is what makes vitamin C work even better. And the way it does, there's a lot of science here. That's okay. I like the science. Okay. So bottom line. So vitamin C is incredible as an antioxidant. It fortifies your collagen, helps produce collagen. It works on hyperpigmentation.

That's why it's up there. It's in my hit parade of ingredients. It is a brilliant gift from nature. However, here's what lactic acid does. It also, lactic acid combined with vitamin C, makes vitamin C get more absorbed, deeper penetrating. Now, the name of the game with vitamin C is to really get it, like laser, like we talked about, it's to get it to the target spot in your skin where it does its magic, where it

works. Lactic acid helps vitamin C get into the skin and it makes it stronger. So that's incredible. Now, here's the thing too. Lactic acid, the concentration, for example, in one of my products is 15%. I can't go higher. That's a super strong product. Lactic acid gives you even more benefit. So it helps absorption. The other thing about lactic acid that I think is amazing is that you see a lot of times, like sun damage isn't just fine lines and wrinkles. A lot of times sun damage actually hurts what's called the moisture barrier of the skin, the top, top, top layer of skin that seals in our moisture, right? Lots of times that's the first to go, which is why people, you know,

they'll say I put on a moisturizer and an hour later I'm dry again. Well, they have part of their sun damage story is that they've lost that moisture barrier. Lactic acid builds back the moisture barrier. So lactic acid is also another ingredient that people should be using along with vitamin C. Big time. That's the whole, and the new products. Have it in should be using along with vitamin C. Big time.

That's the whole, and the new products. Have it in there. It's called vitamin C lactic because that's what is the magic. Look at Sticky Fingers over here. He started, his fingers, this is what he does with my products. When you talk about him, he starts, Sticky Fingers starts to come over here. I can, I can see, I just saw you. I see all these new products in the house.

I'm like, huh. No, you have been a fan of his vitamin C though forever. I think it changed a lot of my skin for sure. The vitamin C has been a staple in our routine. And that's interesting. I mean, you told me about on the live about lactic acid. What exactly is lactic acid if you were to describe it to a kindergartner? I think the same thing that builds up in your muscles when you get really sore.

Yes, it is. Now, but it's an alpha hydroxy acid, okay? Okay. And that's what it is, right? It's also found in nature. It's out there, right? So what lactic acid is, it's a tiny molecule

that's a little bit acidic, not crazy, right? And what it does is it actually works with the cells in the skin to make the cells produce something called ceramide, right? Have you heard of ceramide? I have, but I don't know what it means. Ceramide is like one of the most important moisturizing ingredients in products. However, lactic acid gets into the skin and stimulates more ceramide production by the skin. And ceramide

is the key ingredient to a person's own moisture barrier. So instead of putting on ceramide and using a moisturizer, it's actually a way to basically get the skin to make more of its own moisture barrier by stimulating the key ingredient it already makes, but needs some help in so doing, right? So to me, what my little motto, what I always tell my patients in the exam room is, it's like the adage where, you know, give a person a fish they eat for the day, but teach them how to fish they eat for a lifetime. You're better off giving an ingredient that rejuvenates the skin's ability to moisturize itself, to make its own moisture barrier, create it again and again and again daily,

than to just keep moisturizing and hope it's going to be sufficient. So it's really an incredible ingredient. And lots of times people have a problem with their moisture barrier. And certainly vitamin C combined with lactic is off the charts in terms of how much better people's skin looks. So it was a breakthrough that we had in our lab and we did our testing as we always do. Then we tested it on a bunch of people as we always do. Results were so crazy, amazing that we said, we just got to pull everything old and replace it and revamp it.

And so that's the new vitamin C lactic. You did like a 2.0. This is like Steve Jobs with the iPhone. He's like perfecting the iPhone. It's like the next version. Yeah. If you, someone's listening and their budget isn't huge and let's say they have fine lines, wrinkles, a little bit of hyperpigmentation, let's say they're 27 years old what are the products that you would say would be good for their morning routine like what are the essentials like non-negotiable well you know i think that you got to put a sunscreen on people think by the way that sunscreen and vitamin c might be the same thing. Incredible. Do also the order. Okay. I know because you taught me the order. Cleanse. Okay.

My products. Cleanse. Okay. LED light. You know, incredible. Meditate while you meditate. So easy. Three minutes a day.

That's all it takes. I was wondering. I was going to ask you this. My mask goes off after three minutes. And I thought, do I need to keep turning it on? It's your daily dose. Oh, three minutes. Totally.

Have sex in it. If your husband's a quickie, just put it. Lauren, give me a little credit. Maybe I could get two rounds of the mask. Go ahead. Kids. Yeah, three minutes. Okay.

And then, well, you know what? Your choice is yours. You can do the alphabet appeal at that point. And then you put on your vitamin C. And then you layer on your sunscreen. Or mix and match all the above or part of the above. But that's the order. That's the ultimate.

And do not skip that vitamin C. Skipping vitamin C is absolutely a mistake. You told me skipping vitamin C is like someone who's trying to lose weight and diet. And like, I think you said like skipping protein or something. I forgot what you said. It's a major mistake. Everyone listening to you on a regular basis wants healthy, better, younger, perfect, right? Vitamin C is the most important ingredient right now. No question. The key thing though is

that lactic acid combined with vitamin C takes it, like you said, it's the 2.0. It's the next level results. And by the way, you know what? You will see the difference right away too. It's like you put it on and you see the radiance, you see the skin super happy. That's how I refer to it. And then after a week or two, crazy amazing. And truth be told, a lot of times people were putting on other vitamin Cs and they're not seeing results. So I get this question a lot. So how much time do I give another product before I realize this is not cutting it for me? If you don't see the results in, let's just say tops four weeks, you got to move on.

Here's what I see from your vitamin C. It's so weird that you say that sometimes people put moisturizer on and it goes away in 15 minutes. What I see is that I put it on at night. I also put it on in the morning too, but I do put it on at night, mostly like a heavy, I don't know if I'm supposed to do this, but a heavy load. I wake up in the morning and my skin is still moisturized. That's right. And by the way, I put on your vitamin C. I look like I just got out of the, I'm like dewy all day. I hear you. It does look great. I know his skin looks good, huh? Phenomenal. And by the way, I didn't mean to imply that you only use vitamin C in the morning. If you want to use it at night, you sure can. I do. I use it both. I do too.

Okay. Is that okay? But yeah, of course. You got to just find the place in your routine to use your vitamin C lactic. That's the most important thing, be it morning or night. And that's why I developed a lightweight oil-free one. That's a serum moisturizer. If you want to use it in the morning, you want a heavy night cream, we have the vitamin C deep cream. You want the super potent serum. It's a 15% firming bright product. That's the one I would start with. That's the powerful one. So if you have hyperpigmentation, you have melasma, you want the most production of collagen and firming, that's your serum. That's your go-to.

Okay. Let's say someone's listening and they're like, Dr. Dennis, I have vitamin C in my routine. What would you tell them that they need to go look for in that vitamin C that is not okay? Say they have a vitamin C from the drugstore and they're like, I got this, the box is checked. And then you're like, oh my God, you have to avoid blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would just say, honestly, I'm a believer in my science and my results. And I would say, you got to use vitamin C with lactic so far. We're the only ones doing that, you know? And that is the key difference now. So you're saying if the vitamin C does not have lactic in it, it's not going to be the best. That's why I released the products. That's why I developed it. It was a miss. No one did it. It's like the alpha beta peel. People were not seeing how to

really create an at-home peel. It has no downtime. That was the breakthrough then. This is another breakthrough, just very much along the same lines. He's such an innovator, you guys. We were talking about this right before the show started about how there's obviously, this is a business and there's all the kind of mechanisms that go into this. But really, what you are is you're a creator, you're an inventor, you're a doctor, you're somebody that's in a lab actually formulating and figuring out this kind of stuff. But the best part about him, and this is why i've always been so attracted to always interviewing you is because you're actually getting your hands dirty with the patients every single day and i mean getting your hands dirty i mean you're in it you're you're you're in the game

actually seeing what's going on as opposed to like not seeing patients all the time so you're seeing all different kinds of skin you're seeing all different kinds of skin. You're seeing all different ages. You're seeing trends. You're like in it every day in your practice. Yeah. It's incredible. And I have a charmed existence with my career. And yeah, that is the secret sauce is being a dermatologist and a product formulator, right? And that's the uniqueness. And it all started by being a skin cancer researcher. I mean, I would never have thought that that training early in my career was going to lead to the formulation of products and seeing patients and picking up skin cancer super early, or seeing and recognizing crepiness as an early sign of aging and all that stuff.

But it has been that way for me. So it's been fortunate. Speaking of your career as a dermatologist in a skin cancer, what was it? Skin cancer, what was it called? Researcher. Researcher. We were talking in the car. So Lauren, you did the forward of Lauren's book, get the fuck out of the sun.

Right. And it was phenomenal for, by the way, it's very nice of you to do that. Such an amazing forward. And heartfelt. Very heartfelt. So heartfelt.

It was very nice. Nicest. Nicer than anything. Nicer than anything Michael's ever written me. Yeah. Be careful. Not, don't write anything else nice,

but that was good. Lauren obviously created a book with a catchy title that she knew was going to grab attention, right? It's a loud title. And inevitably, there's this segment of the population, I call them the sun warriors, the people that love the sun. And I would caveat this by saying, we love the sun. We know it's a critical component of life. We obviously get in the sun. The book was not to say you don't need to have sunlight, but it was- Not everything's so literal. I think, yeah, the play was, don't lay around baking and tanning beds in the sun all day. And I think you got that. But from your perspective, what is, with in mind that obviously we need sun

in our life, what is a healthy dose and what is taking it too far? Because I think there's a time now where people are like, oh, we didn't get enough sun. And then we were real sick and COVID happened and all that. But where is the balance? I think wear sunscreen and have a good time. Don't get red, don't get pink. And at the end of the day, if you're putting a sunscreen and your skin gets red or you get burned, something's wrong. Either you got to reapply, you got to do a strong sunscreen, if you're putting a sunscreen and your skin gets red or you get burned, something's wrong. Either you got to reapply, you got to do a strong sunscreen, or you can't just have carte blanche and be in the sun all you want despite wearing a sunscreen. But I mean, life's short, you got to live it, right?

And it's wonderful to be outdoors in the sun. So if you wear a sunscreen and at the end of the day, you're not tan, right? And you're not pink, you've been adequately protected and you get the best of the day, you're not tan, right? And you're not pink. You've been adequately protected and you get the best of both worlds. So that's sort of how I live my life, you know? And by the way, that is probably sufficient to get vitamin D that you need. The sun activates vitamin D, right?

And that's important. And it tells you that the body means for you to have some sun, right? Otherwise, you wouldn't depend on the sun to activate a crucial vitamin in our bodies, vitamin D, which is, as research goes on, by the way, it's incredible how important vitamin D has been shown. It's like, talk about anti-aging. Vitamin D, like anti-cancer heart disease Alzheimer disease prevention you know it's been it has been incredibly important it's so important I also think taking vitamin D is key but a little

bit of sun with sunscreen even that you're still getting enough sun to activate your vitamin D you don't need a lot just that's how I live my life. Just wear sunscreen and don't get pink. I love having, this is weird. I love stimulating my eyeballs with sun in the morning. Like I love going outside and looking at the sun. I feel like it does something to my circadian rhythm, whatever you want to call it. But I think it's so important what you said. It's like I wear the shirt that has the sunscreen protection and I'll wear a hat if I go to the beach and wear the sunscreen. I think that it's to be preventative when it comes to aging or skin cancer. It's important to have the tools in reach. You know what I mean? I do. I agree with you. Every morning, same thing, same routine. I have a huge Stanley water situation going on right now.

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stock the second skin triangle bralette. Black and nude is the move. Something that I'm really thinking about a lot lately is my hands and my neck. I was getting a facial the other day and the facialist Brooke at the road was telling me, she's like, yeah, she's like, where people see age the most is their hands. And I said, well, what can I do? And she said, every time you're using your products on your face, take it to the tits. We know this. But she said, then you have extra product instead of washing it off. She said, put it on the tops of your hands. And then she said, if you're getting a facial, you might as well bring the facial down to your hands and neck. What is your vibe on that? Do you think that the hands is the number one place we show age? Yeah, it's big. We got it.

And treat, and I agree with everything she said i think that's really really good and by the way you know what's funny is like i i like to read like some of these historical books about like estee lauder who was a who was incredible lady and she was she was like the so what vibing about you know beauty and skincare that's what she was all about i mean she just loved to touch people and and look at their skin and sit down one on one. She's an icon. And talk about using products on your hands. That is an old age. It's been done for years and years and sort of it's been forgotten by the younger generation. So absolutely, put vitamin C on the back of the hands a little bit or your peel pads, put it there. 100%.

Moisturize it. And then see, but facials are not anti-aging. You got to remember that, right? Facials are great for plumping, for cleaning pores, shrinking pores, radiance. But remember, anti-aging to me means collagen production. That's the thing, right? Because what does aging really look like? Fine lines, wrinkles, laxity, sagging, right?

That's aging. I think that's a key moment of this show, saying that statement, anti-aging is collagen production. Right. I think a lot of people don't think about it like that. 100%. So facial, a little steaming on the backhand is beautiful, but putting anti-aging ingredients, that's the difference.

And that's sort of why I always talk about moisturizers. Another thing that I believe in firmly that I do differently in the industry is I just don't create moisturizers. I create anti-aging moisturizers. That's why I put my... Because you can create a great moisturizer, right? It can hydrate the skin, give the skin beautiful radiance, right? Beautiful hydration levels, right? But that's not anti-aging either, right? So I always put in either retinol or

vitamin C. So if you go through your medicine cabinet and looking at your skincare products, and maybe they don't have some of these ingredients that produce collagen, maybe they shouldn't have the anti-aging label. Or maybe I should say it in a better way, they shouldn't necessarily be looked at as an anti-aging product. That's how I see it. And I think that it's very logical and a simple conclusion. Yeah. Firming is different than hydration, right. And that's what sort of happens. People use these words and they lose their meaning because we use them so much. So what you want to do is you want to firm the skin. You literally want to increase the density of skin, which is

what I'm looking for. And we've proven it. The Alphabet Appeal increases a thing called pro-collagen by over 60%. It's ridiculous. That's the research we did. That's the firming effect. That's what LED does. That's why the LED has to be FDA cleared before you can say that. And kudos, by the way. I'm a big believer. You can find fault with governments, but the FDA. I'm a big believer. You know, you can find fault with governments. But the FDA has done a good job protecting the consumer. So the LED device is FDA cleared. And I can legally say that it stimulates collagen. So that's anti-aging. What ingredients suck?

And when I say suck, I also mean ones that we have to watch out for that actually cause certain cancers. Well, I think, let me tell you something. Back to the FDA, that cancer ingredients are screened, and I don't think we in this country are getting exposed to many things to worry about. The big one I still think I really despise is hydroquinone. Don't like hydroquinone at all. They tried to put me on that when I had sun mustache. I believe you. Hydroquinone, you know, by the way,

the vitamin C serum, the 15% L-ascorbic serum. I don't have it anymore. Because I use vitamin C every day. I don't have the sun mustache anymore. Oh yeah, that is, we did the head-to-head and that's another thing. See, there's so much research that goes on with these products.

And then, you know, they just, all you gotta do is just put them on. That's like, see we there's so much research that goes on with these products and then you know they just all you gotta do is put them on that's like but we do the the back room where i work on them we compared it to hydroquinone we did it head-to-head to adapt and i didn't want to release the product until i had an alternative to hydroquinone and that product that worked on you is working on everybody and hydroquinone is irritating. Hydroquinone backfires. Hydroquinone causes people to get irritated. Darker skin tones, when they use a hydroquinone because they have a lot of hyperpigmentation issues or olive skin people,

then they get a little irritated and boom, they get more pigmentation right back. Also, hydroquinone that I noticed is when I used it the next morning, I would go run errands and then the sun would irritate it and make it worse. So the sun activates it. Correct.

Incredible. Terrible. So the answer to your question, that is like public enemy number one. Also up there, I really don't like. Right now, benzoyl peroxide, I think, is also irritating and drying, especially when combined with tretinoin. Where do you find those? A lot of them are prescription, right?

Well, tretinoin is prescription and makes people red. And it's been really, people think that's how it's supposed to work. Red skin's a red flag. Free radical generation, it ages the skin. It's ridiculous how people are using it and getting all kinds of messed up complications, including worse acne, especially if they're not using it every day because they can't. And then the skin just like they're ping-ponging. Acne goes away, acne comes back, you know, back and forth and red and dry. Benzoyl peroxide at certain strengths was prescription.

Now it's really available widely over the counter without a prescription. But peroxide, benzoyl peroxide, let's just think about that word, right? What is peroxide? It's the stuff in the brown bottle that fizzles and kills bacteria, right? Not good skincare, right? Benzoyl peroxide is a benzoyl molecule combined with peroxide. So you're putting this harsh caustic, not costly, caustic, right? Irritating, potentially burning of the skin, chemical burns on the skin. And then you put it on, that people are putting it on red and acne causes them to get red, don't like it. Why are they doing it? Because first of all, it's been embedded for years and years and years, like since the 60s and

70s. That was back in the day, those days, it was a breakthrough medication for breakouts, you know? And now it's just people have alternatives. And so to answer your question, I really think that's a bad, bad ingredient. Now, especially with this Avaclear laser for acne, talk about trends. I mean, that has been gangbusters on people. Curative acne results better than Accutane.

Do you like Accutane? Accutane, I think, has a place. Right. So it's like a tool if you have to use it. Definitely. It's worked. There are two TikTok trends going on right now. One is called skin cycling.

Is it helpful or hurtful? And that is four night cycle, one night exfoliation, one night retinol, two nights heavy moisture, slugging repeat. I just don't get it. I don't, I don't get it. Why don't you get it? Pick, pick it apart. Pick it apart. Okay.

First of all, if you were to really, if you want the best out of your products and your ingredients, products when they're developed are meant to be used every single day. Consistently. And by the way, that's how I use your products. When I use them, I use them daily. Yeah, too. Think about this, right? And yeah, it's a big leap to go to something medical, but let's just go, because medical makes sense because it's a human leap to go to something medical, but let's just go, because medical makes sense because it's a human body. You take a medication, person has a thyroid deficiency, person has diabetes, person has high blood pressure.

They have to take their medication every single day. That's what the body really needs for it to get the best results from a particular ingredient. Same thing for all the ingredients that have been shown to work for whatever purpose you're designing a product. It's been tested and approved for daily use. That's the optimal. It's also like saying, you know what? I'm going to eat well. I'm only going to eat protein twice a week. I'm going to only eat good food twice a week. I'm only going to see the sun twice a week. I'm only going to take my fish omega twice a week. It's like you're not going to get the same benefit. Definitely not. So that's number one, right? So that's the skin. Talk about receptors and it's a whole lot of high powered

stuff. That's how it's designed to be used on skin every single day. The next thing is that, you know what? Something like moisturizing. there is absolutely no doubt that you got to moisturize every day if you have dry skin. Because first of all, if your skin is dry, it needs to be moisturized every single day. If your skin is dry, not moisturizing your skin every single day to stick to some sort of cycling routine means that your skin is being left out of balance. Hydration is so crucial. Think about hydration. How much water do we need to drink? That's like everyone knows we got to drink water. How can you deny your skin hydration for the sake of saying, oh, I'm on this

new cycling craze? You can't use a moisturizer just a couple of times a week and then say, okay, do this, then don't do it, don't do it, Don't do it. Repeat, right? You got to hydrate every single day. So if that's what your cycling routine recommends, that's illogical. I think that's counterproductive too. I'm going to get into skin trends and like face trends and filler trends in a second. But before I get into that, I just have to ask you, I was going to ask you this off air but i'm going to ask you on air a lot of people are injecting semi-glutathone and ozempine which is a diabetes insulin to lose weight this is very popular it's the rich are doing it i put that in quotes apparently there's like articles about this a lot of celebrities are doing it i'm hearing the wall street journal just did a piece on it yeah and i'm if people are hearing this for the first time, you can Google the articles on this. And I'm seeing it all over

TikTok too of people losing a lot of weight from this diabetes drug. Yes. I feel like no one's talking about this on the platform and I would love to know your thoughts and maybe you don't have any thoughts on it. I do have thoughts. Okay. I do because I see a lot of the stuff in my office. Oh, I'm sure. I'm on Fifth Avenue, New York new york city i mean i'm gonna see it all right okay so what it's ozempic right the name of the medicine and it has become like you know it's the new craze because it's it really does make you lose weight so it's big it's so big and really what's happening for example trends, trends, people are losing so much weight, their skin is starting to become really lax and flaccid and loose and hanging off the bone. Combine that with things like sun exposure in the past. Combine that with a little bit of

hormonal change like perimetopause, right? Where the skin in women is radically changing anyway because the hyaluronic acid levels are dropping precipitously, right? So all those things, now you have radical weight loss and then they're coming in and they want me to fix it and help them through it. And that's when we start to do the microneedling radiofrequency laser,

which is great for body, but I can't make a dent in someone who has lost 20 pounds and she's gone from 135 to 115 and she's five foot two inches tall. For example, and has had some sun exposure and sun damage. It's really tough. Something's always got to give that's always how it is right you lose so much weight so you're saying like lose it slower yes well i've told you and i just don't know probably slower and healthier and in a more natural way but also people have a tendency to go overboard yeah there's no way to right they just like they see results like i'm

gonna go this is their dream you know the old adage i'm all i'm i'm one like one virus away from getting down to my ideal body weight people are gonna hate me saying this but like i just feel like nobody wants to really put in the work and effort it's just like yeah they don't want to do it they just want the quick thing and they're getting it and radical weight loss causes skin to sag no question about it excess weight loss causes skin to sag. No question about it. Excess weight loss causes skin to sag. And so I'm seeing this. There is definitely, you know, you're right. This has become a part of our culture and it's being abused. Okay. So besides the skin aspect, which in my opinion, the skin is the most important to me. Besides the skin aspect, is it safe to be injecting diabetes medicine into you?

Well, you know what? I'm going to defer to the doctors prescribing it. Got it. Okay. Because it's a prescription, you know, and there, and these are doctors who know the side effects and they, they should know the patient and the medications they're on and their medical history and all that stuff. So I'm hoping situational. Yes. Okay. It sounds like a little bit of a kind of an also warning, a little heads up for everybody. Okay. So I want to talk about trends when it comes to skin. What are you seeing that's very on the pulse that you think is like a fuck yes. And what are you seeing that you're like, eh, this trend is not going to be great. Like for instance, we talked about this on the other podcast, buckle fat removal. You think that that is maybe a trend that's going to be bad in

the future. Oh, I can tell you, I really believe in that. I really think that buckle fat, removing it, it's hard to be precise. It's hard to get your left side and right side to look the same. So you get asymmetry. And then you're chasing it by trying to do fillers to replace the excess fat you took out in one side and make it even. It's a nightmare. And then you got to repeat the filler every couple of months. So I think that's a big point. I think that's going to go away. I really do. In terms of other nightmares going on out there, honestly, I think the whole invasive

laser thing is starting to just be on a decline. People are not happy with the results. Consumer satisfaction is something that is low with these things that just burn off your face in the hopes that everything that you don't want goes away and everything that comes back is what you want. And the non-invasive stuff, I can't say it enough. The non-invasive treatments, the Ulthera, the Secutera, the thing I highly recommend now, it has been amazing. Another huge big win out there now is the laser for acne. Have you heard of this laser called Avaclear? No. Avaclear, I'm doing it in my office. I'm one of the first in America to get this.

This is what you just mentioned a minute ago. Yeah. And it's a laser that can actually cure. Actually, here's what it does. It's like, you know how lasers target hair to kill the hair for laser hair removal, or lasers target brown spots, or lasers target blood vessels and redness. The whole point about lasers is being able to target your, the right thing to get you the result.

There's now a brand new laser that is able to actually get rid of those unhealthy oil glands. That's its target. That is a source of all acne. And now, and that's the breakthrough. So, you know, I'm one of the first to do it. It's called Avaclare. Huge, huge breakthrough. And that is slam dunk. That's a real winner. What about ponytail lifts? What am I going to say about that? I think it's sort of probably okay in the right hands and the right selected individual. You got to really know who your doctor is. And I think you have to go to someone who's willing to say no and also tell you the alternatives.

What are you seeing are people that are taking trends too far, like too much filler, too much cheek filler, too much temple filler? What fillers are you seeing that's just like too much? I'm seeing a lot of cheek fillers to excess. You know, I'm definitely a specialist in lip filler and people come to me and show, and they're, you know, they just have,

not only have their lips been too big, it's been filled with the wrong filler. Oh, what's the right and wrong filler? Well, it depends on the individual, right? Got it. So, but the answer is I personally like Restylane. I also will selectively use Juvederm. What did you use on me when you filled my lips in New York? Do you remember or no?

I think we use Restylane. Restylane. Yes. I do like Restylane a lot. Do you like Restylane Kiss or just plain Restylane? I like Restylane plain. Okay. I do.

Not to bad mouth, Restylane Kiss. If it's working for you, great. But you know what? My style, I want to, you know, I have to say that I want to shape the lip a certain way. I want to hold the mirror up to the patient and say, do you like this? If not, let's go here. Start and stop. And also you elongate.

Sometimes you don't elongate. Sometimes you want to really enhance the Cupid's bow. Some women who like bigger lips don't mind it going away. I like it wide. Wide is great for you. Yeah, I like wide. You have great cheekbones and it fits your face. That's the key thing you have to

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I think you're okay because you always have that escape hatch by doing the enzyme that can take it down like a house of cards. Boom, gone in 12 hours. I love that. And then among those different fillers, it's nuanced and it's up to the individual. I have my favorite because that's what I have. Like an artist has his favorite paintbrush or whatever. I have my tools that just get me the what I have. You know, like an artist has his favorite paintbrush, you know, whatever.

I have my tools that just get me the results I get. And so far, so good. But I wouldn't, but you know, there are people, you know, who go to South America. How about people traveling and getting all sorts of crazy stuff injected that's not available here, still happening. Don't do that.

Silicone was a disaster, right? People were putting silicone in their lips, right? Correct. And you can't get it out. That's what Lisa Renna said on Housewives. I think she had to go in surgically. You have to go in. It was a nightmare. It is a nightmare. It's horrible. So that is still being done in South American countries. And it's sort of sold because it's permanent. How great, how you don't never do this again.

But it's talk about the whole thing with fillers, right? Especially the lips, but cheeks and the nasolabial folds and the marionettes. It's all about sculpting and getting it natural. And you got to use the right filler, right density, but it's really not possible to do that with things like silicone. Got it. Speaking of lips, I want to talk about lip wrinkles. I've been putting my vitamin C on my lips. I don't know if you should do that. If you're sucking on things i love to suck on a straw i love straws i love straws i love big silicone straws if that if you're sucking on that is that

going to make or a cigarette or anything right is that you're not a fan of cigarettes is that going to make your you look older as goes on? And what can we do for skincare for our lips? Right. Well, first of all, any repetitive motion, that's really what leads to fine lines and wrinkles. People who grimace a lot get the 11s or who raise their brow a lot get the lines across their forehead. And that's what Botox does. That's what Dysport does. It's going to help reduce the musculature that leads to the deepening of the lines and actually some collagen breakdown. And trains you, I feel like, subconsciously. Totally does. So any repetitive motion with the lips as well is going to be something that will

lead to lines there. The thing about cigarette smoking, though, is you got to remember that you're also not only puckering your lip to smoke the cigarette, you're also getting the secondhand smoke from your own cigarette onto your skin. Now you talk about, we talked about the vitamin C is how vitamin C is an antioxidant that kills free radicals. Secondhand cigarette smoke is really detrimental to the skin. So not only are you getting collagen breakdown and wrinkles from the repetitive motion of puckering and sucking on something like a cigarette, but that toxic smoke is also contributing to it. Now, the other thing though is we all inherit tendencies from our parents, right? So lots of times there are certain parts of the face that just age differently than the rest.

And I encourage people to really, to get a jumpstart on what you're going to look like and sort of get attention to it sooner than later, which is advisable. Look to see where, you know, the parent you resemble most has aged the most. So if you're starting to see like fine lines and wrinkles around the lips, is something that, and you resemble most has aged the most. So if you're starting to see fine lines and wrinkles around the lips is something that you resemble your mom and you're taking after her, and you're

starting to see it there, that's your destiny. So you should be able to get- You can put the vitamin C on the lips. 100%. Oh, definitely. That's what the LED does too. Yeah, Michael, this mask that I've been wearing every time I meditate, you walk in, you think, I'm so funny, you're going to be stealing it. You're going to have all these people that listen to the show analyzing their parents and like, sit down for a second. Let me take a look at your wrinkles on your face.

Before we go, one thing that I think you and I have done a good job of is manipulating a man into skincare. It's a little bit tougher for a man to get on the skincare train. I wrote a book or I wrote a chapter in my book called How to Manipulate Your Man into Skincare. And I think that you probably have some genius tips. What's a product or two they can start with? What's great about your products too, you guys, is they're orange. So they're not like hot pink, right? What's a couple products that you would throw their way? And what's a couple of phrases you would say to get them on the skincare board?

Okay. Get them on board. The first thing you say is it's easy, right? I mean, that's like, no, that's numero uno. They have to, they have to just like, it can't be complicated, right? I mean, women are just, you know, they'll do routines that, you know, the six step, I'm only kidding, but the routines and layering, et cetera, et cetera, all good. Men are not that way, right? Men just want to have it, you know, get it done fast. So first

of all, it's quick and easy. That's how I would say you have to appeal to them. Then you have to get, you have to make sure that it's the products give them results right away, right? Michael's skin is glowing right now. He looks, you look in the mirror and you got to say, I'm not imagining this. And then once they see that their skin and they like the way they look, done. You accomplish the goal. Oh my God, you look so good. You look so good. I've never seen your skin look like this.

And then when you're applying your skincare, it's like, oh. This is actually the truth. And I wrote it in your book and it's a credit to you as well, your products. She gave me, at the time, I think it was the vitamin C serum and the vitamin C moisturizer and the orange vitamin C under eye. That was it. I had a cleanser too and I had the wipes. And I did those occasionally.

But the things that I use regularly, I'm like, okay, I put the serum, then I put the moisturizer, and then I put the dye. And instantly the bags are away. Face is much brighter. I felt better. And you see it. I'm like, okay, if that's all I have to do, one, two, three every day, just do it when I'm brushing my teeth. He was using dandruff shampoo on his face when he met me.

Now that I see the results and now that I have them and now that I do it, I won't not do it now. I actually feel not normal when I don't do it. It's like not brushing your teeth. Right. Vitamin C for men, the vitamin C lactic line is like you're saying, so easy, so quick, and beautiful. Results are fantastic. You look younger now than years when I saw you in my office. It sounds like vitamin C is, we need to name this episode vitamin C. Vitamin C is the thing, the one that I would start with, and then Dr. Dennis, you can say what you think, because you might not agree with me, is I would start with the serum concentrate. It's the 15% vitamin C. And I like it because when I apply it, I instantly see a difference. Right. Vitamin C lactic. That's the difference though. It's got to be, I mean, got to put that

word in there. Vitamin C lactic. Yes. That's the key. Yeah. I don't think you have that one. I have it. These products are really, really, this is, you know what's amazing to me real quick is that, you know, no different than anything in technology is the phrase state of the art, right? Everything's advancing, right? You think about how technology is advanced.

In a way, skincare is technology too, really. It's in a bottle. It's ingredients, but there's technology and that's what we do. We really research and create new innovative skincare products. And so the vitamin C lactic is the state of the art for the current best line for vitamin C, which is amazing, but now even better. Yeah. I mean, listen, I know Lauren's a big draw, but obviously you mostly come here for me. And Lauren is hoarding these products away. Whoever on your team is listening to this, she is railroading me. She's taking all of them. She doesn't. I have no lactic. I'm sitting here.

I'm using the old stuff. No, don't do that. I'll get you this. I will too. We have a code, code skinny for everyone. I'm going to say, and again, you might not agree with me, but the oil-free moisturizer in the blue tub is something I use every single day. And how I use it is I mix it with my foundation CC cream and a beauty blender. And the way it applies to my skin, there's nothing like it. It's amazing. Is it the hyaluronic acid in it? It's a hyaluronic acid in it. It's the mixture of other ingredients. I'm a big believer in this synergy concept of cocktailing. There's innovation everywhere.

Remember, hyaluronic acid in that product is what's used in filler. That's what it is. It gives me like a plump. So if you're going to use the code skinny, yes, definitely the vitamin C with lactic, obviously, but also that blue tub. Don't sleep on the blue tub. Can we do a giveaway? Yes. Okay. We're going to give away a bunch of Dr. Dennis Gross's favorites. I'm going to have to enter the giveaway to get something. We'll definitely include the

vitamin C products that we talked about and hopefully the LED mask. Is that okay? Yeah. And my favorite blue tub. Also do the peels. The peel. Oh my gosh. All you have to do is follow at Dr. Dennis Gross on Instagram and tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic. Dr. Dennis Gross has been on the podcast the most, I think. I think. How many times you've been here?

Four? Yeah, I think. No, no. Five. Maybe this is five. Well, you might have the record. Really? I could talk to him all day.

You can come back anytime. We can go anywhere. The next time that I see you, though, I'd to come to new york and maybe we can get a filler or botox or yeah come on most people we meet them one time we're like it's enough of you you know you five times that might be the record thank you thank you yeah you can go anywhere with you thanks come to new york yeah new york's back no we're coming we're coming back actually be there um a few weeks right yeah but he said i don't need filler you know what i'm gonna open one of these over there.

I don't want to fill you. But maybe you can do the microneedle thing to me. That is great. Microneedling laser. Yes. Can I get up and go the next day? Yeah, you can. It's not going to be weird.

You're a little pink red for like 12 to 24 hours. A little puffy for 12 hours. Put on makeup. You're good to go. Certainly within 24 hours, you're set. I'm going to book it with your shoes. We're going to open one of these over there.

Right? We need it anyway now, a studio over there. Yeah, definitely. We got to figure out the area. I got to talk to you. But I need it to be next to a place that I can frequently,

it's got to be next to some kind of like a cocktail lounge. You're so lucky I don't live there. I would be there once a week. I got to find the area. What do I need? I know. Can we microneedle my butt?

What do we need to do? You got vacancy in your building? I'm serious. Dr. Dennis, tell everyone where to find you, your website, your Instagram. Okay. At Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare, drdennissgrossskincare.com. And we are, my practice is dennisgrossmd.com. And so, yeah, we're in Sephora.

We're in Nordstrom. We're in all the, you know, these great spas around the country. You can find us everywhere. That's where, yeah. Dr. Dennis, the myth, the man, the legend. Come back anytime. Thank you. I love being here. I really do. Go shop right now, drdennisgross.com. Use code SKINNY. And if you want to win the Dr. Dennis Gross giveaway, we're going to give away so many good products. All you have to do is tell us who you want to hear next on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic and make sure you're following at Dr. Dennis Gross. Cheers. This episode is brought to you by Allo Moves. Allo Moves is the one-stop shop for

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