The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dr. Phil McGraw & Robin McGraw On Current Events, Success, & The Secret To A Healthy Marriage

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

#439: On today's episode we are joined by Dr. Phil McGraw & Robin McGraw. Many listeners may be familiar with Dr. Phil and Robin from their world renowned show, Dr. Phil. Today the power couple join us to discuss how their career and marriage got started, secrets to success, current events, and the impact of the times we are living in.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Better Help We want you to start living a happier life today. Get connected online to licensed therapists at accessible prices to make sure yu are taking care of your mental health. As a listener, you’ll get 10% off your first month by visiting our sponsor at www.BetterHelp.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by Zocdoc No one knows what you’re looking for in a doctor better than you. And no one’s better at giving you the tools to find the perfect doctor than Zocdoc. Zocdoc is a FREE app that shows you doctors who are patient-reviewed, and take your insurance. Search for a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours. Go to www.Zocdoc.com/skinny and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.search for a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hoursand are available when you need them. This episode is brought to you by Athletic Greens Right now, it’s time to reclaim your health and arm your immune system with convenient, daily nutrition — especially heading into the flu and cold season! It’s just one scoop in a cup of water every day. That’s it! No need for a million different pills and supplements to look out for your health. To make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give you a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit www.athleticgreens.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media 

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are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha! Aha! wellness. Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her. So that means you go back into the fourth grade. You're now going to be really frustrated because you can't handle it. So you're going to fall behind. That gap's going to widen each year that goes by. And as kids get frustrated, then they basically turn away. And so the dropout rate

goes up. And when the dropout rate goes up. When the dropout rate goes up then that means they get lesser quality jobs. When you get lesser quality jobs then you have higher risk because you're doing more manual labor which is more dangerous so you have more injuries. You also have lesser quality insurance and the years of life lost because of this is going to show up 30 or 40 years from now I want you to get excited about your life. Here we go. Intense. If you're going to talk to me, you're going to have to be honest. Stand by, Dr. Phil. Showtime. This is going to be a changing day in your life.

Stand by, Gary. And roll the jacket. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back. I'm trying to act not so excited about this intro and this episode. That clip was from our guests of the show today, Dr. Phil McGraw and Robin McGraw. And we just had fucking Dr. Phil on the show, Lauren. You know what?

They are a power couple. I am such a fan of Robin and her podcast. She gives so many good beauty tips and tricks. She reached out to me to be on her podcast. You have to check it out. We talked about all the girly things. And then we connected to do a power couple interview on Dr. Phil and Robin. And let me tell you guys, just when you think you have everything figured out, you don't. Let me tell you a story here.

We've been doing this podcast for a little while now, what, six years? And now with the podcast, we obviously have this business, Dear Media, that's up and running and thriving. And we have all these great studios. And one day we said, okay, we're going to actually, we're going to have Dr. Phil in the studio. So we bring him in. This is a true story, by the way. So, and you know, I consider myself somewhat of a high achiever. So bear with me here. Dr. Phil comes in the studio with his lovely wife. We bring him in. Our studio feels like a fucking inferno. It feels like we're in literal hell. It's wife. We bring him in. Our studio feels like a fucking inferno. It feels like we're in literal hell.

It's burning. The AC is broken. We're dying. I am just like, Dr. Phil is pissed. I know he was pissed. Our producer, Taylor, was like, it's not hot in here. His upper lip is sweating. It's perspiring.

He's like shit dripping down his face. He looked like he just jumped out of a swimming pool. So I said, okay, don't worry. We're Dear Media. We're professional. We've been doing this for a while. We got another studio, studio two, just got it up and rolling. It's got a little bit of couch seating, a little different, but it's going to be professional. We got the cameras and everything. So we start recording

again with Dr. Phil, who arguably one of, you know, the biggest interviewers of all time. And he had been doing this for a while. And Lauren's mic goes out. And so I'm sitting here and I'm trying to keep it together. But again, we're doing it. He was fucking losing it. Yeah, so I'm losing it. I had to finesse the energy. And Taylor is looking like a deer in headlights.

And then the rest of the team comes in. Taylor's getting clammy. And they're scrambling around. He's about to throw up. So again, we're there. We're shooting the shit with Dr. Phil and his wife, Robin. And basically my life's falling apart. The studios are falling apart.

I feel like I want to go hide in a hole. But eventually we get back in recording and we're going and going. And then the cameras fall down. They literally fall down like a floppy old dick. They just flop down. And I'm sitting there like, oh my God, of all the guests and of all the people, it's Dr. Phil and his wife. You know what, though?

I will say this is one of my favorite interviews that we've done because I really think we got to see a different side of both of them. And we opened up on all different topics. It's a plethora. It's a medley. You don't know what you're going to get out of this episode. I think you guys are going to be obsessed with it. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

It's a long story short. I think we salvaged it. I think we salvaged the interview. I think we salvaged the relationship. We had a great time. We had a great conversation. Went in a lot of different places. With that, Dr. Phil, Robin, thank you for

coming on the show. I'm so sorry for the malfunctions, but we had a blast. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Joe is great. He is brilliant. He's a smart guy.'s brilliant and so much fun yeah he's a very very the way he interviews is really cool yeah i really like joe he's a great guy taking a tangent i mean like obviously he's so in the press now but i tend to agree with you i think

he's one of the greatest interviewers of our of our generation of our time right now and especially you you know obviously have such a deep background being interviewed by him how did you how did you feel about it well of course i know joe so i recognize he's he's really multifaceted you know and he's been around a long time right back in the fear factor days when he did fear factor and um the thing i think that makes Joe really unique is, one, he has the courage to say anything that he's thinking about, but he has a genuine curiosity about human nature. And he truly is interested in so many things. And so he asks the question that the listener wants asked. He asks the next question to people. Yeah, but then what about, but then what about?

And because he has such a natural curiosity and is so intelligent, he really digs in to these issues and asks great questions. Yeah, and I think he can get to places that people are scared to go because of that curiosity. Yeah, and he's a comedian, and so he's very disarming with people,

and it's a great combination. And he's a comedian, and so he's very disarming with people, and it's a great combination. And he's a very sincere guy. He comes across sometimes as kind of brash and irreverent, but the fact of the matter is he's a very sincere and caring guy. Well, you touch on it, and I think about it. It's like you're doing a three-hour show. Pulling 40 seconds or 15 seconds from a three-hour show is, you know, you're a little bit out of context sometimes. Yeah, but he's really a thoughtful guy and does his homework, and he's really a caring guy.

Robin, you were saying earlier that you wanted to add something to what you had said about marriage. Can you tell us that little bit so we can add it back? I was saying that you asked me what it's like to actually have a doctor in the marriage as part of the couple, and I said, well, that doesn't really have a doctor in the marriage and it's part of the couple. And I said, well, that doesn't really make a difference in our marriage because I have told him from very early on, don't ever Dr. Phil me.

You're not allowed to Dr. Phil me. And then what I wanted to add was, unless I ask you to. So in 45 years, has he Dr. Phil'd you? Oh no, no, no no because he's really good at listening like don't you know he gave me that one practice test when he was in school and I I didn't I didn't really even get through it I was like a nervous wreck why do you think you're so good at listening because of your background as a doctor or do you think it's something that you practice every day you know personality wise it's like i'm basically a very shy person socially

really yeah i mean my if i if i go to hell it will be a cocktail party it'll it'll be an endless cocktail party where i have to stand on bad knees and talk about shit I don't care about. But I... Pull that clip, Taylor. I'm the last one. If people are in a crowd and they're kind of talking and weighing in on stuff, I'm the last one to give my opinion or offer advice. I always have been. I can think all the way back to high school. I'm the last one to give my opinion or offer advice. I always have been. I mean,

I can think all the way back to high school. I'm the last one to ever render an opinion. I don't, and it's the same way on Dr. Phil. We don't stop cars out on Melrose and say, how are you feeling? Would you like some advice? I only weigh in if people ask and you know our average guest writes in I think the average is 22 to 25 times before they ever actually get on the stage to sit down and have a conversation and I'm not proud of that it's just that you know it's tens of thousands of letters it's hard to get through and and get there but I don't inject myself into situations unless somebody really asks my opinion. So if your wife asks you, you'll give her an opinion? Yeah, of course.

If she asks, I'll tell her what she wants me to think. Yeah, like sometimes I'll say, I just need one word. I'm so perplexed about this person or this situation. Just give me just one word. Robin, I can see why you and Lauren get along. I told you. I told you. I said, I'm so inspired by your marriage.

I love, I told you. You are really, I think, such a great counterpart to him. Thank you. I think that you've really helped in, I want to say, the way you guys have had success seems very synergistic. I agree with you. I have to say,

I agree with you because I so get him. Yeah. And I adore him. I think he's brilliant. So I feel like I'm like bragging on myself, but that's not it. It's just that I'm doing him a favor by saying, don't Dr. Phil me, because I'm not going to like you if you do that.

So I'm doing you a favor. Don't Dr. Phil me, because that's going to upset me. And I don't need the real truth right now. So how, as both of your successes grew, how did you help to support and manage the relationship? Like what were some tools that you used? Well, especially because you've built an iconic brand, right? Like just off of you, right? Like, I mean, for, you know, a very long period of time. So I imagine that especially as a young couple that's starting out and dating and then to go through this kind of like- It's wild.

Trajectory. I wouldn't say that we together built a brand from day one. The way I look at it is we, like, I never went to work with him until we moved here and he started the Dr. Phil show. So like, we didn't really work together. And I don't really feel that we even work together now, because he's the one doing all the work. The only reason I'm really at the show every day is because on that very first show, we were here creating a whole new life. This was a whole new life we together decided to do. We were in Texas. I was running the house, taking care of raising the children. I was a stay-at-home mom. Our oldest son had just graduated and was at UT. So we were down to just our youngest son, Jordan. And we made the decision with Jordan to relocate from Texas, leave the only home he ever knew.

And so this is a whole new life. So we were out here, got his first show, and I'm there to support him. So I thought, oh, this is great. And I went to support him and the show, of course. And so that first show ended, and they did not come up with a way for him to actually end the show. He signed off, said, thank you, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm sitting there, and he just looked at me and walked over, said, come on, walk off with me. Let's talk about it. What did you think?

And his executive producer, Carla Pennington, who's brilliant, has been with them since day one, said, keep the cameras rolling. Keep rolling. Because she noticed that the minute he walked out to me, he was no longer just Dr. Phil. He was now a husband and the host of the show. Because he took my hand, we walked off, and we started talking. Oh, you were great. That was awesome.

I loved it. What did you think? And we walked off. And so she wanted that to be a part of the show. And so we walked off and went backstage, and she's coming from the control room. And she said, it's almost like my sleepless in Seattle moment when he reached down and took her hand.

And she said, can you come to every show? And I was like, oh, well, Jordan, our youngest, was only 15, didn't even have his driver's license. I said, well, if we can work it around carpool to take our son to school. And that's how that happened. And it has evolved into I'm there every day for every show. And so after 20 years, but it's like he's the brand, but- You're the support system.

I'm the support system, yes. What does it look like in the bedroom? what does it look like it like in the bedroom what does it look like behind closed doors when the cameras are off and he's just phil at home and you guys are having conversation about work and business it seems like you like i said you guys really work together well behind the scenes too so what you see at the show in front of the camera is as the couple, it's pretty much the same thing at home because I'm there to support him. And my role has evolved into what you see is me, the wife, the woman, the mother, the grandmother. if i'm involved in a show it's me it's authentically me the woman the wife the mother the grandmother what what does it look like when you guys are

first starting out there's a lot of millennials that are listening to this that you know want to get into something like you guys are both doing was there a lot of struggle when you first started are you saying as like when we were first married as a self-proclaimed shy guy what's the draw to television and how do you even start entertaining those that pursuit i have to um modify some of what she said i'm afraid i know where he's going well no i think she's being a little humble about her role in the show yeah she what a guy we we did just kind of walk off together that's that's true and that wasn't planned but you know i'm all about just you know i don't have a script or anything ever because i don't know what they're going to say so i have no idea what I'm going to say

unless I know what they say because it's all an interaction. So it has to be pretty spontaneous. And so I finish the show and it's time to leave. I'm not going to walk past my wife like I don't know her just because we're on TV. That's bullshit. I'm leaving. I'm taking her with me, you know. So because we're on TV. That's bullshit. I'm leaving.

I'm taking her with me. So I go by her chair. So I get her and we leave. I'm not going to pass by her just because the cameras are rolling. But anybody that thinks she's there to just sit in the audience every day would miss the real meat of the situation. Robin's kind of the feminine side of my sensibilities. Look, I grew up as a jock and an athlete, and I played football in grade school, junior high, high school, and college. I had three sisters, but they were kind of nutty, and so I was very isolated growing up.

I mean, really, I came and went from my bedroom window, so I didn't have to go through the house because it was so chaotic. I mean, even— Chaotic in what kind of way? Oh, my dad was a violent alcoholic, and then my sister started getting married at 14, and it was just a chaotic, violent... And they're older or younger than you? Two older and one younger. Okay.

I say they had us in pairs. They had the two nutty ones, and then they had the two of us. That's true. And so I can remember even at 11 or 12 thinking they had to have mixed me up at the hospital i i don't fit in with these people at all and i haven't had a drink in over 50 years i don't you know i watched what this did to our family and stuff so i even i was a designated driver before that was even a thing, you know. And so there's certain things I wasn't real sensitized to, and she is. So she's been a great touchstone for the feminine side of issues.

And I'll be preparing a show, and she'll go, I don't think you want to say that. And so she's a great kind of, you know, you might think about this point of view, even though that may be clinically sound, you might want to present that differently. So she's a great touchstone in that regard. She's also passionately involved with foster children and domestic violence and has become one of the most prominent ambassadors in the fight against domestic violence and has become one of the most prominent ambassadors in the fight against domestic violence over the last 20 years, has testified on Capitol Hill in that regard, has written three number one New York Times bestsellers.

I'm thinking about how it started. But she talks like she's just sitting out there watching the show. She's not eating bonbons. Yeah, that's not the case. She's been very much a part of Dr. Phil and a big part of its success. And we're the number one show after 20 years. It's the most unheard of thing you've ever heard of, and that's a team.

That's not just me. That's a team you know that's not just me that's a team i've got the same executive producer after 20 years and the turnover executive producers for startups i want to ask you about that because like being in this in all these shows they come and go you've seen you've done this for so long what do you think makes an effective production team and you know obviously we've seen all this stuff in press with what they call, I guess, toxic work cultures. But you guys have had this unit for so long. What do you think the secret there is? Well, this is fitting for this episode.

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Then start your search for a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours. That's Z-O-C-D-O-C.com slash skinny. ZocDoc.com slash skinny. Oh, and I'm sure somebody will decide to make it my turn in the barrel and generate some story that sells newspapers. We've been tabloid fodder for many years. I think it's really recognizing that it's a team. I'm as good as who you put in front of me.

One log won't burn. You put me out there with somebody staring at me like a dead trout. Hell, my mother wouldn't watch that. You've got to have interesting people to talk about something that, you know, is compelling. And, you know, I talk about things that matter to people who care. And you can't do that if you're just out there lecturing. It's got to be interactive and relatable. And I've got the same cameramen I started with 20 years ago.

I've got seven cameramen 20 years ago. I've got the same seven guys. One of them passed away. I had a heart problem just a few years ago and passed away. But other than him, we've had the same crew for seven years same director same executive producer same supervisor same everybody for 20 years you know a lot of people will say oh it's like a family it truly it's true i mean it has to be like a family for that long i mean we've known taylor here since we were 12 so when he has these camera malfunctions i take him in the back

and just beat him a little bit but but no i mean i get it it is like a family like a family. I mean, this guy, Taylor, I mean, he's been with us. He was at our wedding. We went to middle school together. It's just been like a whole. That's so important. One of our directors, John Perry, I know the first couple of weeks we were shooting, they had just had a baby. Yes.

And hadn't any time of themselves. Robin babysat the baby so they could go out the first couple of weeks and that child's in college yeah wow they've been there letters that long so we've really watched these people and they've come to work at the same place on the paramount lot for 20 years and so and they say you know we've been able to put our kids in school buy houses grow up our families all like real people you know instead of working 13 week cycles and then being out of a job and and so everybody I've always said it's a situation where money is

paid but it's not about the money. They really get involved with the people, with the stories, with the work that we do. And so it's a passion. It's not just a go-through-the-motions job. And she's an integral part of that. There's no question about it. With how much success both of you have had, it's really unbelievable to me, and I met you on your show first, how down to earth you are. And sometimes that can be rare in LA. That's such a compliment. Thank you. How do you maintain that? Is that a conversation that you have huge compliment. And I think we just answered because

we can honestly say we truly appreciate each other. We appreciate what we have. And I don't know, I can't imagine being any other way. It's just who we are. Do you ever get burnt out or both of you get burnt out on like the dr phil persona because it's been such a long time you know we've done this for six years it's not nearly as long and nearly the scale but you're just wondering how you process that you know we've developed a cycle and i think you you develop something that works for you like um we take two shows a day three days a week and then in theory i have a four, three days a week. And then in theory, I have a four-day weekend every week.

I don't think I've ever had a four-day weekend because there's other media to do or you go do a news story or whatever. And then we tape three weeks on and then a week off. And that cycle, I can always tell when I'm in the third week on the second or third day of the week where I'm kind of looking at the door like, I'm kind of ready to take a little bit of a break. Yeah. And it's not from doing the show.

It's from doing all the prep because I get a notebook for every show that's about 250 pages. And it's all of their backstory because I do. We get a longitudinal history, a cross-sectional history, a medical history. We talk to collaterals. We get all this information because I feel like if somebody's going to fly across the United States, come on to that stage, put everything out there in front of everybody. They deserve two things. One is for me to do my homework before they get there. And two, they shouldn't leave guessing at where I stand.

So I need to be prepared and take a clear position on what I think and what they should do. And, you know, Robin will tell you I'll will tape during the day and I'll come home play tennis for a couple hours grab something to eat and I'll spend six or seven hours a night preparing for the shows and so it's not doing the show so much as it is the prep time I'm ready to take a break from you know prepping six seven hours a night is there a set of criteria to get on the Dr. Phil show? You get so many submissions, I imagine so many people are writing in. What is it that intrigues you or says, okay, this is somebody that's worth bringing on or

somebody that's worth helping? Well, I approach that two different ways. First is exclusion criteria. There are certain people that we just won't book. For example, in 20 years, I've never booked anybody on the show that's currently in therapy unless we contact that therapist explain what the show's about what we're going to do and get their permission in writing to have their patient on the show just because you don't want to mess up something that's going on with somebody yeah it's just out of you know i used to be in private practice and i wouldn't want somebody tampering with i might be in the midst of a you know some process with somebody and i might have six months into it and then here comes somebody that's an

interloper into it and we we tell them and it's not enough that they say, okay, they have to send us a letter in writing that says, I understand, and you have my blessing, and I'll continue with them afterwards. And if we don't have that in hand, we don't book them. It's just that simple. institution in any recent past whatsoever, because I just simply think if you've been unstable enough that they've had to put you in a protective environment in recent history, public television is probably not the place for you to be discussing your circumstances, because you're going to go home and we don't show children's faces. And sometimes their parents will say, no, we're okay with that well you may be i'm not it's because you're not smart enough to recognize i'm not going to do something with a child

and air a show on tuesday that they get bullied or teased about at school on wednesday i'm just not going to do it so we'll disguise them their faces, reference a different city. Change their name. Change their name. Mom and dad slip, they edit that out. We just don't do anything. I think this contributes a lot to the success and for the longevity because you take a very principled approach. Do you remember that show Bumfights back in the day and the guy that created it tried to come in?

I remember you kicking him off the show. And I imagine you did that because, one, you thought he was harmful and not a good person. And two, you just thought he wasn't taking it seriously. And I think when people see that, because we were joking around about Jerry Springer earlier and we said he's a nice guy, but I think having those principles and actually being somebody that's actually trying to help people

has created a lot of trust in your business and your brand. I think people know, and sometimes I'll have somebody on that's, maybe they are delusional or whatever, they have unusual belief system. And before they ever come out, I'll tell the audience, look, everybody that comes here is a teaching tool. There might be a million families at home that have somebody that has real non-consensual thinking, and their family's trying to decide, is this pathological or just eccentric, or we're going to decide this is charming, or just how serious is this? And this is a teaching tool that helps people position that.

And so they may say things that might be funny if it was on a sitcom or something like that. But we take this very seriously and we're going to treat them with dignity and respect. So I don't want to hear anybody laughing or making a comment or whatever out of the audience. So don't do that. And they don't. And I have an advisory board. It's called the Dr. Phil Advisory Board, and it's made up of the top minds in psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, sociology, psychiatry, theology, and they're from the top learning centers in the country. I've got the head of the family division at the Harvard Medical School, and I've got Dr. Zimbardo from Stanford University. I've got the head of the children's

division at Yale. All these people. So if I have a complex case, I can send it to them, and they help me go through it. And a lot of them are editors of the peer-reviewed journals, which has an 18-month lag, so we get beyond cutting-edge information. You know, they might say, look, vitamin B6 is really helpful with OCD, and there's a new study about that that hadn't even been published yet. So we get really great information, and they really help me with those things. So I have kind of an off-the-cuff delivery style, but it doesn't really reflect how much preparation goes into it, how many experts are consulted, how much goes into it. Because I only talk about evidence-based therapies and really up-to-date information. So we try to really do our homework.

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I don't think there are new problems. I think there are spikes in existing problems. We're seeing the highest level of anxiety, depression, loneliness that has ever been reported in modern times. I mean, CDC, all of the monitoring agencies are seeing the highest levels of this that we've seen in a long, long time. And chapter two of that story, it's just beginning. I've been talking about this a lot on the podcast i feel like the last two years have been so much fear and that people are going to start to have micro trauma from all of this in different ways what do you think is going to happen over the next two years well i think it's going to be over the next two decades wow isn't that scary what is

that scary the next two decades yeah and you the cycle, like you think just two years of this kind of damage creates 20 years of trauma. Oh my gosh. Or more. And, you know, for example, if you're not reading on grade level at the end of the third grade, dropout rate goes up four to six times normal. And we've also learned that remote learning in grades two and three had an impact of zero. So-

I can't even imagine me being a kid trying to learn online. Well, if you're tested, if you were tested at the beginning of remote learning and went through it for a year in the third grade and you're tested at the end of that, your learning increment, zero. Wow.

So you basically lost a year. So that means you go back into the fourth grade, you're now going to be really frustrated because you can't handle this, so you're going to fall behind. That gap's going to widen each year that goes by, and as kids get frustrated, then they basically turn away, and so the dropout rate goes up. When the dropout rate goes up,

then that means they get lesser quality jobs. When you get lesser quality jobs, then you have higher risk because you're doing more manual labor, which is more dangerous, so you have more injuries. You also have lesser quality insurance, and the years of life lost because of this is going to show up 30 or 40 years from now.

I don't think anyone's really, nobody's talked about that. And I talked about it in the beginning when I said you should have never closed the schools without a plan for reopening them. Or a plan to keep educating. Yeah, and they didn't do it. even after the first year, is going to cost over 5 million years of life by the time these kids all reach maturity. It's going to take two or three years off of each of their lives because of lesser jobs, lesser insurance. And this doesn't even talk about how many people are going to be impacted

by putting off examinations, skipping treatments, all of these things. I got an eye issue. Lauren will get mad if I talk about it. Please don't talk about the eye issue. I'm going to go outside and lay on the ground. And I have good medical care. Trying to find a doctor that will take me as a patient and will see me during all of this has been such a mess. And that's a minor thing compared to what a lot of people go through.

But I can only imagine that extrapolates to so many people not being able to get the proper medical care. Well, you know, Philip's talking also about the children suffering with this at-home learning. But we also, I think, have to think about the parents that were thrown into the position of being the teacher. Because I don't know that any of them are through that stress and pressure yet. Because, I mean, I have to give credit to our daughter-in-law, Erica, and our son, Jay, but really to Erica. She was on top of it every day with our two grandchildren.

And God bless her and God bless all the parents out there who had to step in and be the teacher, even though it was remote learning. She had to be on top of it, both of them, helping them, making sure they got through their lessons, making sure they got their homework done. And she was a stay-at-home mom. But think about those working moms. We have a young mom here. I couldn't have done it.

What happens when, so I guess when kids get exposed here in LA County, they shut the school down for a period of days and send the kid home and she'll get calls here. Sometimes, luckily we have a good policy, but she'll get calls. She'll literally have to leave the office, go home and take care of her kid for five days straight, which is like for, and like I said, luckily she has a good policy, but for, you know,

the average mother or average father that like, how do you just stop work in the middle of the day and go and drop and take home with the kids? Exactly. Take over. Dr. Phil said on Joe Rogan's podcast, you said problems are complex,

but solutions are not. What's the solution? If in your perfect perfect world you get to raise your wand around and i did say that oftentimes you know problems are very complex but the solutions you know if you look at the top 10 killers in america you know heart disease cancer you just go down the list the treatment is basically the same for all of them. There's only one difference. If it's a heart disease, you avoid things that create hypertension and impair blood flow and all. If it's cancer, you avoid carcinogens and all.

But other than that, they're all lifestyle, right? Good nutrition, good rest, et cetera, et cetera. And what has to happen here is you've got to first stop the bleeding. nutrition, good rest, etc., etc. What has to happen here is you've got to first stop the bleeding. You've got to get the world going again. You've got to get kids back in school. You've got to start people putting one foot in front of the other again. A lot of people that are impacted by this, everybody thought when this was over with we were all going to go racing

back out into the world um like that scene from the movie greece when it was the last day of school and they all ran out the doors to the carnival where everybody's running hey but the fact is when the world started opening back up people were intimidated by what by what they used to take for granted now it's like you know do i want to go back to work am i safe to go to the mall am i okay with this and so many mom and pop businesses that were on a narrow margin were lost and gone forever you think some people maybe like this? Do you think there's a part of people that actually don't want the world to go back to normal? Because I sort of feel that.

Oh yeah, we've been rewarding bad behavior. Yes. At first, everyone, I think, enjoyed being sent home. It's almost like you're grounded. Everybody has to stay home. And you're like, well, I kind of like being like you're grounded everybody has to stay home and you're like what kind of like this it's we're getting some time out we're all getting to stay at home together and getting some me time and us time and I think at first everyone everyone was they were okay with it but then of course that got old okay okay we've had our alone

time now let's get back to it. So that everyone went through that period of going, okay, enough is enough. Let's get back to it. And just, we couldn't, we couldn't get back to it. And then it just went on and on and on. So I think the whole world, I think we're all scared to death. Now you, you say, do you think we're kind of not wanting to get back to it? I actually feel like everyone's very scared to death that we're kind of not wanting to get back to it i actually feel like everyone's very scared to death that we're never going to get back to it you have a powerful platform both of you a powerful platform voice and when you say things like we've been rewarding bad behavior one is coming from a doctor's perspective so i think we should point that out but can you elaborate on

that and do you get pushback for that that take yeah i don't give a shit oh my god good i mean it's the truth yeah it's the truth it's one of the most fundamental principles of psychology if your child pull that clip too if zaza falls down in the in the grocery store and has a tantrum on the toy aisle because she wants a toy and some ice cream and she's in the floor kicking and screaming are you going to go hand her a toy and an ice cream cone of course not you don't reward that bad behavior you don't reward bad behavior and sitting at home not working not contributing not requiring the best of yourself is not good behavior. So we're going to give you bonus money for that, and then we're going to extend that out, we're going to extend that out, we're going to extend that out. And look,

when the government decides to shut down the economy, should they then say, well, since we're not going to let you work, we will help you over the hump here? First off, I don't think they should have ever shut it down. Agreed. But secondly, since they did, they should then help people get over the hump so they don't starve to death. But at some point, you've got to say, I'm not going to continue to be nonproductive. This is a meritocracy. You need to get out and work.

You're not encouraging people to do that if you're paying them to sit at home. 37 states turned down an offered extension on unemployment bonus. They said, well, we can't get anybody to work now. Thank you. No. So scary. They didn't want the money. They said, we need to get people back to work.

They couldn't get people in the hospitality industry. They couldn't get people in retail. They couldn't get people. It's a real problem. You know what's interesting is like lauren and i during this pandemic you know especially we you know we you know we moved to texas and we're here and we've had to go back and forth and there's been two periods also where i've had to go to the east coast before like i just for what i do professionally i kind of have to move around

sometimes and i kind of talk about it as like i've been the control meaning like i've been in different environments i've been in la and lived here i. I've now been in Texas and it's so strange because, and people like maybe get a little upset by this, but you could go to Texas and not even know anything was different unless you watch the news and people, and I need to tell people out there that are living, you know, in places that have been a little bit more fearful, but like, it's been great. It's been normal. It's like what pandemic? Yes, exactly. There's people like we have, like, I think we got all the jobs back in Texas and are leading one of the four states that are leading. And I look around and people are happy and they're productive and they're outside and they're being active and it's normal and they're in because the schools didn't shut down. People were like, oh my God, this is so irresponsible. And I'm like, that just has not been the case over there.

I think you need to follow the science and I do. And I said 37 states turned it down. Some of them may have caved since, so you can fact check that because I'm not sure how many actually stayed with that resolve. But we've tried to set good examples. You know, we wore masks when that was the protocol on Paramount lot. Both of us are triple vaccinated. We encourage others to get the vaccine.

You know, we've tried to do everything we could find that's science-based and not political to do. And I encourage people to do that. But there comes a point when you say, okay, you've got to weigh the risk-reward ratios, and you've got to get back to life. Yeah, there's a lot of, it's just, I mean, I know that, like, I'm not the first person to say this, but, you know, you sit down, you take off the mask, you stand up, you put it back on, you walk in with it, you take it off. And it's like, I'm like, at some point, like this might be one of the dumbest periods of human history, right? Like the way that we're all just behaving. And it's like, you say that and people say, well, you're anti these policy or you're promoting death. It's like, no, I'm promoting common sense here. And we all know it. It's just people for some reason are scared to speak out and say it now. And so it's just like, Hey, it didn't work. Let's just move the fuck on. I think

that's happening now. And like, I saw London or hey, it didn't work. Let's just move the fuck on. I think that's happening now in like I saw London or not London, but the UK just came out and said, hey, we're done with this shit. Same with Spain. Yeah, history is going

to be unkind about all of this. But look, like people have asked me about wearing a mask and these mandates and stuff. It's a very little sacrifice. And my attitude was, you know, if there's a possibility that it keeps somebody from getting sick,

hand me a mask. I don't give a shit. I'll wear it. It's such a little thing. And if it turns out that it didn't make a difference, then so what? So I wore a mask for a while. It's no big deal. I'll go along with it. I think the question

is how long now. Yeah, exactly. It's like, okay, we all participated. We all did it, but now that we have things to protect us against this virus, and again if people want to get vaccinated, they should. But at some point, it's like, okay, we've done the things. We've developed the protections. Now how long do we have to keep up the experiment?

Yeah. What do you both think you're going to see for the Dr. Phil show with everything that's going on in the world in the next year and a half? Do you think that there's going to be more cases of anxiety, depression? Do you think we'll see just a certain theme happening?

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with one window in an inner city in the winter where it's too cold to get outside and they're stuck and they maybe got one device and a terrible internet connection and they're trying to do homework and all of that and it's been very stressful and i think it's i think it's taking its toll on relationships and um and like i say we're seeing the spikes and all of these mental and emotional issues. And hopefully that will lessen across time. But I've already seen families that are in crisis. Well, can you imagine what you were saying, how you would sneak through your window because your house was chaotic and there was three women? And can you imagine being quarantined in your house without going out i can't that would be horrible

you got to sneak out your window i mean there was there's no escape for a while for some of these people so i can't even imagine one of my biggest concerns because as philip mentioned earlier i'm uh very supportive and very much into domestic violence. Yes, it was for you to speak about that. And that was a huge concern for everyone. I know, but very scary concern being confined, quarantined, and having something like that going on in your family or in your own home. That was a very scary time.

And I think, to answer your question, I think we're gonna start seeing a lot of people reaching out for help to get out of those kinds of situations. If they weren't in it already, maybe it started. It had been brewing. And so if I had to say, I think maybe seeing a lot of uh need for help

to get out of a domestic violence situation yeah some of the department of child and family services reported referrals dropped uh 50 to 75 percent referrals of domestic violence and of children being abused. Wow. That's not because abuse dropped 75%. That's because the mandated reporters, teachers, counselors, lunchroom staff, etc., didn't have their eyes on those children to spot the red flags, so they couldn't report it. So those kids are stuck at home getting abused with nobody to report it. And when things drop off 75% in terms of reports and you know the abuse is continuing, those children have been abandoned with nobody to report it, nobody

to stand up for them. That's terrible. This is where I think there's a failure in modern media and government where it's like we have a problem and we throw a blanket band-aid solution on that and we completely disregard and acknowledge all of the other things or consequences that are going to arise because of this. And I think you've seen some people like yourself start to talk about it and speak out about it and they almost get like ostracized from society because it's like, wait a minute, like you have to focus on this problem. Don't acknowledge that because it diminishes what we're doing over here. But I think all of these things have to be taken into account, right? Or else society just starts to crumble within itself. And I'm the incurable optimist. I think Americans are resilient and I think we'll find a way through this but it's time to start finding that way I want to take a little twist I would love to talk about some challenges that you guys have had with working together or as a couple and how you've worked through them just because it is a

him and her podcast and I would love for you to inspire my husband okay yeah let's set him straight let's set him straight robin please manipulate michael yeah let's let's just set him straight tell me what what's he doing his delivery is a little harsh oh i hate that oh i hate that yeah i've always had an attitude that um i i think is has served us well. And I've embraced it, and I've tried to practice it as well, too. And that is that if you ever have to stop being all of who you are to be part of a couple, you've made a bad trade.

That's true. I think that's great advice. I mean, think about it. When you get into a relationship, you are who you are, and that's who the other person fell in love with. And if you stop being that person, that doesn't mean that there's not a range of who you are. But I've told Robin sometimes, I'm not very expressive emotionally. So true.

And even good things will happen, and she'll say, come on, give me something. Just give me something. Do a happy dance for a minute or something. Can I just have a, can I have just a, yay. You know, just two fist bumps in the air. Just give me something. Be the WB frog. Could you break out into a smile?

Just a reckless smile or something. But, and I've told her, look, you married a middle linebacker. You didn't marry. Cheerleader. You know, somebody that was um not that uh whatever and for context middle linebacker is the guy that's just smashing everybody it's not a lot it's not a finesse job we're not playing a football game right now it's not a light touch yeah you don't we're not on a tap on the door. You run through it. And that's just kind of who I am.

Which comes in real handy if somebody's jacking with her. She never feels unsafe. True. And I don't think you ever have. Oh no. I would not be jacking with Dr. Phil's wife. I would not. Buting with dr phil's wife i would not but you

gotta you know you gotta be all who you are that doesn't mean you can't be sensitive the other person because i i also recognize she's got to be all who she is yeah um which i bite my tongue about sometimes because i wouldn't do some of the things she does but recognize, you know, that's who she is. Where's this going? I still don't see. I'm still not hearing my compliment. Well, I'm saying I married you for who you are. I don't want you to change. I don't want her to be somebody different.

That doesn't mean you have to like every minute of it every day. You just say that's who she is. If I wanted somebody different, I'd have married somebody different. So when she says, give me something, you could just give me something michael doesn't give me something really either it's like it's it's it's i want him to sometimes celebrate and get excited we just talked about this it's a little flat yeah it's like okay i give you what you want yeah we have to fake some shit you want to make a lot of shit i have to fake some shit yeah We fake a lot of shit. I have to fake some shit. We make a lot of shit.

What do you mean fake? They're not fake. I have to fake rah-rah. Yeah, like, oh, brilliant. You want brilliant. You want brilliant. You want something. Yeah.

Okay, do y'all need a minute? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. Taylor, cut that out of the show. Yeah, it really, really. Let me translate for you. you okay now she's going to tell you what's really good tell us so tell us so he still hasn't figured out that when i say it's fine he thinks it's really fine oh no no they all do it's never right of minute no it just means

that's our opportunity to get the hell out yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not always fine, dear. We're not under the misapprehension that it's fine. I say, I go, not what I would do, and walk away. And then I go, pass the ketchup. Oh, gosh. Yeah, actually, I think when we hear it's fine, that's when we say, oh, shit, right? I think so, Josh. He thinks it's really fine.

You guys have been married for 45 years so there's some kind of thing that really works between you if you're fighting or disagreeing and like what is that unlock how do you guys make it work for 45 years well here true this is the truth this is truly this is it before we got married he told me the things that if that he really did not like like like here's what you can do to push my buttons okay don't ever do this don't ever do that like like honestly one of them was there's a list of one as i recall there were a few there were a few things but like one thing was don't ever tell me that i remind you of my father like oh you are so your father he says don't ever do that yeah that was fun so i have never done that like because i know that would really upset him.

It would just really take him down. So I choose never to do that because I know he would hate that. It would upset him. He would never forget it. And he would think to himself, you did that knowing I did not want you to do that so what why would i want to do that i don't want to i i would never do that because i would do it full well knowing it would upset him so i choose not to push his buttons a pretty good way did you ever get to a place with your father where you were able to get to a good place with him or forgive?

Well, I wrote a book called Self Matters several years ago. And in it, I talk about what I call 10-7-5. And it's a really good thing to think about. In our lives, we have 10 defining moments. We make seven critical choices. And we meet five pivotal people. And there's actually research to support that, by the way. I didn't just make those up.

By the time you're in your 40s, and you'll rotate some of those out as you go on. And those five pivotal people might be positive people. They might be negative people. Like if, let's say, in your childhood you were molested by an uncle or something for seven or eight years, that's probably going to make your pivotal people list in a real negative way. But that's going to be somebody that rode on the sleigh of who you are in a way that will never go away. And my father was one of my five pivotal people in both a negative and positive way. I hated that he was a drunk.

I hated the way he treated my mother. I hated a lot of the things that he did. I also recognized he was probably the hardest working man I ever met in my entire life. He was smart. He was All-American running back, University of Tulsa. He was a great athlete with an incredible work ethic. I mean, there were things about him that I admired greatly. And I hope some of those things translated to me. And I saw how much he cared about certain things. So there were things, it wasn't all negative. And he was, like I said, a bad drunk. And the last two years of his life, he quit drinking completely, went back to the Dallas Theological Seminary and got his

master's in theology so you know he did you know make efforts to turn things around and stuff so there were some positives in there so yeah we had some and he knew he was dying and you know I always tell people that don't let the sun set on you without doing or saying with the people you love what you need to do or say. Because you have no idea whether they're going to be here tomorrow or not. And I mean that. You really need to hear that because you really don't know. And he knew he was dying. And he did have a great sense of humor. I mean, he came home from that appointment.

I said, how'd it go? He said, well, don't buy me any green bananas. I can tell you that. And so we knew it was coming and there was nothing they could do about it. And we had the chance to really sit down and say some things that needed to be said, both positive and negative. And so that was good. I was glad that we had that time. All right.

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When it comes to family as parents, you guys have done a very good job with raising children and keeping them down to earth oh he's pointing at you he is pointing at you that was cute that was cute oh robin robin has done such a good job of raising the children how How have you made sure that they're driven and ambitious and just seem to be two children that have their shit together, I guess? We hate to take credit, but we take the credit, I guess, for raising them to young adults. And then they took over and we're so proud of them. So they're just so precious. They're good boys, now great young men. We just made the decision to be full-time parents.

And I don't know, it's kind of hard to answer that question. Like what are three things that you wanted to instill in them when they were growing up that you think have really paid off? Well, I always wanted to make sure that they knew every day that I was proud of them. Every day I was so proud of them. And every day I wanted them to have fun. Everything you're going to do today, have fun. Most importantly, just have fun. And I'm proud of you and I love you. So I always said that to him every morning before, when I took him to school or whatever they were going to do. We went to every game in sports, everything they ever did. We were always there for them.

And he would give them a little coaching in athletics and in whatever sport they were in. And as they'd run out on the court or out on the field, have fun, have fun. So, but I always wanted them to have respect for the adults in their lives. So it was important to me that they treated everyone with respect and that they understood the rules and abided by the rules in our home and just have respect. She really taught them how to treat women. That was really key.

That's a good one. She really taught them how to treat women. We're taking them to a school dance or something. You call her this afternoon for the dance. How's everything going? Then you, the day after, you call her about noon and let her know what a wonderful time you had and thank her for going. And, you know, she taught them. Yes. You know, you, and they've been that way their whole lives.

Their whole lives. And even if they didn't want to go or if it was somebody that kind of got trapped yeah you don't you say that you call her and you this and that i always started let me tell you how a woman feels let me tell you how a woman thinks about that and then they go oh no here it comes because it was jay was uh probably 15 and he it was a it it was the type of dance. He was in an all-boys school, and there was a sister school, all-girls school. So it was a dance that the girls from the girls' school would call

and invite the boys. So she had done that. So he was sitting at his desk and doing homework, and the phone rings, and I I answered it and I go tell him your date that's invited you to this dance coming up wants to talk to you and she wanted to tell him what color her dress was so he could order the flower and so I was standing there and I heard him say hello yeah yeah I'm studying what do you need okay fine red okay fine I gotta go oh yeah that's not good that's not good that's not good and he goes what I'm busy and I really don't even really want to

go to that dance and I said well let me just tell you how she's feeling right now she's been planning her dress she's been planning her hair appointment She knows what color nail polish she's going to wear. She's got this appointment and this appointment. And it was really scary for her to call you. And then you talk to her like that. You pick up the phone and you call her back and you apologize for being so abrupt. And you get excited about the dance and excited about her dress. And you, da, da, da, da.

He goes, I said, because let me just tell you, you may not want to go to that dance with her and you may not have another date with her, but just let me tell you how girls think. Girls talk. And after that dance, you want her talking to her friends and you want her saying, oh, he is so nice. He was so attentive. Every time I called him, he was so charming. It didn't really work out great for us, but you want to go out with him. Because if you don't do that, she's going to say, oh, he's a jerk. He was so abrupt with me. He wasn't nice at the dance. Don't go out with him. I said, and she may actually own the company you want to work for one day.

And when you walk in for that interview, she's going to go, I remember you because women never forget. Don't you ever forget that. I'm kind of scared, but I'll- Women never forget. Next time you're abrupt, I'm going to bring up that conversation

that Robin just said. Women never forget. And they will, to this day, he goes, yeah, mom, I remember you telling me women never forget, and you're right. I mean, it's true. Before you guys go, I have a random question. What is Dr. Phil and Robin's morning routine? I asked this question to all of the guests on the podcast, and I would love to know if you guys are so disciplined in your life. I'm sure there's something that you do every morning together or apart. Okay. Okay. So are you talking about on a tape day or a day off? You could tell us both. I mean, we love the more the merrier. Tell us all

the details. Well, first I want to start out by saying we both agree on we're really very boring that's okay that's okay we we love being at home well I can give you the short version from my end because I get up in the morning it takes me about, nine minutes to get ready. I get in the shower, shower, get out, shake like a dog, put on a T-shirt, some shorts. And I play tennis 350 days a year. Wow. We've got a clay court at our house, and it's like the best clay court in history. So everybody comes there and plays, and we love it. So I just wear tennis stuff to the

studio you the only time i'm ever in the suits on camera i don't even have a suit at home i don't think wow well i can imagine i mean that's a lot you're wearing a suit a lot yeah i change at least twice a day uh you go through it but so she gets up at least two hours before I do and goes in there and closes the door and all these machines start running and puffs of stuff come out from the door. I'll handle my morning. You handle yours. Anyway. You handle your morning. I'll handle mine.

But then I get up and go in and do my eight minutes and I come out and start loading her shit up. Okay, let me tell you. Are you drinking coffee, lemon water? Are you doing a meditation? Are you doing anything? Or is it shower, shake off, let's go, I want to play tennis? No, that's on the way to the studio. I get up, shower, shake, and go in there

and start dragging her stuff out to the car. Okay, so now I'm going to take over because this is really cute. I got a strong image of you shaking now. This is really cute because we're very ritualistic people. Okay. We like always have been.

And this is very, very sweet. Okay, so I get, I'm really into numbers. So I set my alarm for 5.55. And I get up at 5.55 and I go, he's still asleep. It's very dark in our room. So I do my best not to wake him. So I go through my closet into my bathroom. One of her closets, go ahead.

One of my closets. I have a nail over here with my stuff hanging on it. He has like a little hook that he hangs his tennis clothes on. It's not true. Okay, so I go in through to my closet and I start, I brush my teeth, all that kind of thing. And I do my own hair and makeup for the camera. Wow.

Always have in my wardrobe. So I start with my makeup and my hair. But the night before, I have put together a bag and clothes. While I have a dressing room at the studio and I have things in the closet there that I have decided I would wear, if I change my mind, I put some things together, put a bag over them. And I have a little suitcase that has the jewelry and extras that will go every day to the studio.

Put that together. So I start my makeup and it's not until I hear him go through the door and into his bathroom that I walk out and turn on the coffee maker because I'm so sweet. I don't want that coffee maker to wake him up early. He doesn't drink coffee. He doesn't drink anything in the morning. He's not one of those that needs to have- No coffee, no alcohol. Nothing. He's never one of those that needs to have- No coffee, no alcohol. No, nothing. He's never had any alcohol.

Ever? He has no problem pouring me a glass of wine or whatever I want, but no, he's never had a drink. Just not interested. Just chooses not to have alcohol. He actually, well, my father was also an alcoholic and I will tell you this, on our first date, I said, do you drink alcohol?

Because I made a decision when i was like 12 years old that i would never marry a man who drank alcohol and i would never raise my children in a home with an alcoholic little i know it's being screened on the first yes because i grew up with an alcoholic father as well although it came pretty clear if we walked past the church and she said how you feel about? We're standing in front of a church. I thought, holy shit. Because I believe in love at first sight. I knew we'd get married one day.

So I said, do you drink alcohol? And he said, I actually think I'm allergic to it. I went, awesome. Then he gave you the IQ test, the personality test. There was a lot of tests that everyone was testing. I call them traps. I love a good trap. Man, I already knew right then.

Okay, you're the one. So flash forward. I turn on the coffee maker. I make myself a cup of coffee. I do my hair and my makeup. And then I hear his bathroom door open. He walks into my closet. I get up.

He gets my hanging clothes in my bag. And I walk him downstairs to his car and I have walked him to his car every day. That's sweet. Every day for 45 years. Oh my gosh, you guys are so cute. It's just this ritual. Wait, why don't you do a show that's just about your cuteness

one time about, this is so sweet. She literally throws me out of the house. I'm like, get the fuck out. He takes my things with him so that they're already prepped in my dressing room by his assistant. Are you taking notes here? So when I walk in... And it's a long way to that front door.

Yeah. I go all the way down the stairs. And then, because I do my hair and makeup, but then I touch it up when I get to my dressing room. And then I get dressed at the studio with my things. But he takes it so his assistant can have it all prepped in my dressing room for me. Because then it takes me a while.

I arrive at the studio at, I'm going to say 8.30, 8.45. We start taping at 9.30. But he's already been there now an hour because he's prepping final prep for the show. So it's just a ritual it sounds like the secret to marriage i really think it is rooms if i picked up on that right when you slipped that yeah and also little tiny between her bathroom and make a difference yeah carry my shit everywhere you don't carry my shit enough well we live up on a hill

and oh yeah carry it it's it's this is this house she wanted and he surprised me with it it's a precious story can i tell it yeah tell it tell it tell it please no i'm just saying it's it's a it's the cutest story go ahead oh my god tell us the story so we we had a we had a home on lexington it was on the flats. And he really wanted a tennis court. And I wanted a view. We wanted some privacy. So we started looking for a new home. And we looked for like two years.

And we finally found this one home. And it wasn't finished. This woman was building it. I found it, actually. I said, I found the house. I found the home. I found the home. It wasn't finished.

So he made an offer, because I love building, redecorating, all that kind of thing. found the home. I found the home. It wasn't finished. So he made an offer because I love building, redecorating, all that kind of thing. And she didn't want to sell it. She, it was her baby. And so we waited another year. I kept driving up there to look at, see how finished it was and kind of walked onto the property one day

and got thrown off the property. This man, this head of the construction sites was like, you keep coming around here. And I said, I looking he goes he threw me off said if i ever came back he was gonna call the police oh not the person i would want to throw off the lot i was like wow what happened to that guy is he still around is he still with us no he stopped but i was like wow so okay so it's been like another year and our little avery our granddaughter's born. And Jay said, Mom, can you babysit Avery? And Phillip says, I'm going to go meet Jay for a meeting. And he's just acting so casual.

And he said, hey, you know what I was thinking? I was thinking, if I get back from this meeting in time and it's still light outside, we should drive up to that home. See if she's ever finished that home. And I went, oh, I don't think we should. We can just go see if she's ever finished that up and I went oh uh I don't think we should because we can just go see if it's finished maybe check it out and I said well I'm gonna be honest with you I drive up there all the time and I think it's finished but uh I don't think we should go up there because I could be in jail and he goes goes, what? And I told him. He goes, oh, well, it wouldn't hurt to just drive by.

I said, whatever. So anyway, he goes to the meeting. I'm rocking our granddaughter and everything. And Jay runs in an hour or so later, and he grabs Avery. And I said, where's your dad? And he goes, oh, he'll be home soon, da, da, da. Flash forward, he's sitting there. I'm hoping he doesn't remember he wants to drive up there,

because I really believe I'll be arrested. And so goes oh hey he's so casual he goes oh hey it's not quite dark let's go we drive up there and the gates are open and he goes oh look the gates open they must be leaving for the day or something i said don't don't do it philip he still drives in he drives right up to the front door. Front door's open. And he goes, oh, let's go stand. Let's go look in. I went, no, I refuse to get out of the car.

He gets out. He's standing at the front door and he's kind of looking in. He's turned around going, come on, come on, come on. I went, mm-mm, mm-mm, I'm not serious. And he goes, oh, come on. So I think, oh, this is ridiculous. He'll protect me.

So I get out and I go stand behind him and i'm kind of looking in the house and it it looks like it's finished and all of a sudden he turns around scoops me up carries me over the threshold and said welcome home i just bought you this house that is a room i almost teared up on that story that's a romantic story oh my gosh he does show emotion though that's carrying you over the Robin I have to be honest here because yeah you said he doesn't show emotion that's a pretty tender moment you have been carrying me over the threshold of my house that you got for me let me get a few more years and we could get this show to like 15 years and it's such a beautiful

home and it has a beautiful view of the city. And the sun had just gone down. And I'm like, what? He goes, that's where I've been. He had been buying the home. And I was like, and he's still holding me. And right in the middle of the foyer is a standing champagne bucket. Champagne, two glasses. Jay rushed in to get the baby.

And he and Erica ran out, put the champagne bucket there. And he goes, Jay and Erica left that here so we could toast. I'm like, no. He goes, and Erica knew how chilly it was. So over on the railing, she had taken her denim jacket off. She had on like a denim jacket and left it for me. And you knew she was just going up there all the time and just loved it. I was like, what? They gave her the godfather offer, huh? Would you put the horse in the bed or what'd you do? Well, you know, this woman wouldn't sell the house until it was finished.

And I knew if it ever got finished, I'd never be able to buy it. And I caught her one day and I just said, look, cash offer, no escrow, no closing, no inspection, no nothing. I hand you the money. They drop their tools and walk off. And I just caught her and she said, what the hell? God damn it, that's a boss move. And when he first made the offer a year prior and she said, no, I went, she's not a Dr. Phil fan.

She must hate you. She must not hate the show. She's just, you know, some Dr. Phil fans and there are some people that are not. So I just thought, she's never going to sell us a house. We're going to have to keep looking. And the minute he bought the, gave her the check and she

goes, do you think I could get some tickets to the show? Aw, that's cute. I like that story. Oh my God. You guys know how to give an interview, man. That was a 10 out of 10. We got stories, we got opinions, we got everything.

I'll never forget it. That was a gorgeous way to end this conversation. You guys are welcome back anytime. Taylor will have the mics fixed next time and hopefully the overhead lighting will be better. Pimp yourselves out. Where can everyone find you? Tell us what you're working on, your Instagrams, everything.

Thank you. Oh, I just get up every day looking for work. You know, I'm just hanging out. I feel like Instagram handles that, Dr. Phil, right? Yes. I guess, I don't know. Yes, yes. And you can find me on every channel.

Robin, where can everyone find you? Your podcast, everything. Yes, my podcast is I've Got a Secret with RobinMcGraw.com and uh robin underscore mcgraw's instagram and i have been on your podcast before you guys go listen we had such a fun conversation and robert green was just on she has some great guests thank you both for taking the time thank you for bearing with us with the lights with the audio so fun yeah was so fun. Yeah, thank you both. That was fun. Thank you guys for coming on.

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