The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dr. Sheila Farhang On Anti-Aging Strategies, Skin Health, & Skin Cancer Prevention Tips

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

#795: Join us as we sit down with Dr. Sheila Farhang – a renowned Celebrity Cosmetic & Mohns Skin Cancer Surgeon, & host of the Derm Approved podcast. In this episode, Dr. Sheila shares expert advice on anti-aging strategies, essential skincare ingredients, & the essential treatments for healthy, glowing skin. Discover celebrity skincare secrets, the latest impactful beauty trends, tips for detecting skin cancer, & the ultimate 2025 skincare hacks & must-have products - including Lancôme's Génifique Ultimate Serum!   To connect with Dr. Sheila Farhang click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by Lancome   Shop now on lancome-usa.com and use code TSC20 for 20% off GenifiqueUltimate.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Things have trade-offs, right? If you want like super high cheekbones, what about your temples? What about your mid cheek? Things like that. Like I have filler. It's like my job. I do think it got villainized because everyone went too crazy with it.

And it was like this thing called perception drift where you forget what you look like. Your provider's not, maybe you're not going to the same provider or maybe they're not looking back at the photos. But I like have to cut people off sometimes not in a bad way. It's just like, hey, we are where we need to be. Everything's balanced. Everything's looking good. So I totally agree.

I also don't think that pillars or sculpture or all these other things are like ruining your face so much where you can't get a face lift. I think that's a little fear mongering from some plastic surgeons. But in any case, you've got to do it right. You've got to be conservative. And some things are fine to do. Happy Friday. Celebrity dermatologist Dr. Sheila Farhang is on the show today.

We are talking preventative anti-aging hacks, celebrity plastic surgery. We get very into that, what everyone will be using on their skin in 2025, a bunch of beauty secrets, some wild beauty trends, and must-have skin treatments. I enjoyed this episode thoroughly because you know I love all things skin and beauty. On that note, let's welcome the Instagram famous Dr. Sheila Farhang to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Michael has a dot on his face that we have been talking about for the last year every single

morning. It's an actual dot. It's not a, well, you can't see it. It's a piece of pepper. It started out as like my son scratching me in the face. Okay. Young son. We have a, we have a young son. Got it. He's 25 years old. So it was an accident.

Yeah, exactly. It was an accident. Um, and then it was like struggling to heal and then I wasn't thinking much about it and then it did heal and it keeps like healing but then opening and I so I Don't like that. I went to a derm and they said it's a Blood vessel. Okay that I forget the exact It's probably a hemangioma. Let's take a look. Okay, it's right here. Can you come to me? Oh, should I come to you?

But anyways, I don't really notice it other than like sometimes it'll get red and again like I notice it every day because he talks I I get red. That's just like sure my thing rosacea tendencies. Yeah, maybe and I Noticed it. Sometimes if I put like a vitamin C it like a little sting Okay, I go get skincare so regularly that they're like other things healed they calm down buddy, but calmed down, buddy. But I'm just neurotic. Got it, let's take a look. Get on over here. It's not like a- Real life console by a dermatologist. It's gonna make me sound crazy because-

Just go shower the dots so we can move it along. I'm moving along. Can I swing my mic over? No, Michael, we don't need your mic. We don't need a narration. So really as a dermatologist, oh, okay, yeah. So really I need my light, I need my dermatoscope. Okay.

So when I press on it, it blanches, which means it goes away and that means that it is a blood vessel. It probably is from trauma. You have a little rosacea. Did you know that? Yeah. So I'm not worried about it. It never opens up or bleeds, right?

Great. So I don't think it's a skin cancer. It probably is a little hemangioma. We all have little broken we all have a little broken blood vessels around our noses. Yeah. So we could just laser it off. I'm not worried. You have a name for it. It's called a hemangioma. No wonder I can never remember it. Cause I was trying to explain to Lauren, I just call it a blood vessel. But I was going cause I went down the-

I got to change the subject. Move it on Michael. I went down the rabbit hole. This is relevant to our listeners and viewers. The rabbit dot? Oh my God. I have a wound. It won't close. I've got skin. Because people have to watch for that. And so then I was like freaking out. But then I went and what's it? A hemangiomoblio? Yeah. Hemangioma. Yeah. Hey, hemangioma.

Which let's talk about what you can do for that. and that's going to be how to improve your skin barrier How to do all that because probably I've really thank you for that that transition, but I went to a derm here Hey Michael, I'm real quick. You're a pandora's boxer And he said the same thing but I just want the thing to like close And then I was wondering can I get it burned off and then it'll just like go away and be done Yeah, you want to blaze it off. I got you. What can people do for this? Am I going back to Tucson? I'll see you in Tucson where you, yeah, where you used to live, which is crazy.

I'm ready to, I'll make a trip out to Tucson to see you. We can burn this thing off. Okay, perfect. Or have an office in Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills, let's go back to Tucson. Okay, okay. What can people do to support their skin barrier? Michael's taking notes.

I love that question. You know, that is going to be the theme for 2025. Now, we're wrapping up the year. We always think about what is going to be the new thing. What is everyone focusing on? And I think that skin barrier is like so important, especially because people are getting introduced to more ingredients. They're using more products, right?

Than ever. Than ever. Than ever. And you know, not that I'm like totally against like a 10 step skincare routine, but I really do think people need to be careful. But I think that for skin barrier, what you want to do is first minimize it, minimize the products you're using,

use skin loving ingredients, right? So with like a skin barrier, everyone wants like a healthy skin barrier, right? It doesn't mean that you have eczema or rosacea. Those people need it the most. Those people have to be really careful about exfoliants that they're using. They have to be really careful about different like retinols that they're using, things like that.

Oh great, I'm using all of these things. No, he's using AlphaRet. She'll be happy about that. Oh, I love that. I knew it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love that. I don't need you wrong, bitch. Yeah, yeah. Love that. Love that. Oh I love that. I don't lead you wrong bitch. Yeah yeah love that love that. So how do we improve the skin barrier? You have to use products that

are really good for your skin type. You know when you have really like a rosacea sensitive skin type which is why you're on a product that is with peptides and a very mild retinol right and then you want to moisturize and you want to add in some of those ingredients that improve your skin barrier like ceramides or different oils or Um humectants that pull in water and we can talk about some of these ingredients and even some of the products that I recommend Um for that because I think 2025 is like the year of like kind of like new skincare in a way Um, everyone's looking at l Lindsay Lohan, right?

And it's really funny because I actually know her derm, not like, she's in LA and she is a huge like laser queen. And I really think that like Lindsay Lohan, I don't think she got a lot done. I don't think she got like a whole bunch of plastic surgery. She has really nice features, but I think she got healthy. I think she reversed some of the filler in her face, right? And then I think she really went in hard with like good skincare and good lasers.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I really do. I really do. You don't think she got a mini lower face lift and a neck lift? Maybe. A little one. A little baby.

Little baby. And only because she had a baby, she did lose a little bit of weight when you do have some laxity there. But lasers can do a lot these days. I totally agree. There's a little, there's a little happening. But yes, she has focused on good skincare. I would agree with you and people are missing that element when they say she's gotten work

done. You can get work done, but if you don't have a good healthy skin barrier, I agree with you. But there is a little nip and tuck maybe. But I love it for her. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Go for it.

Amazing. But I think all, you know, she's done tons of lasers to resurface that skin because she's probably done tons of like tanning bed, da da da. But everyone wants that one answer. And it's like, she did a lot. She that was not one thing. It's a commitment. Totally.

100%. And I think people, instead of like going straight to the face of it's like, let's look at her skin quality. Let's look at her like filler reversal. She does. I think she does still have filler, but like done correctly. And like, it's really undetectable. You know, that's what I think everyone in this moment wants. If anyone who's going to get work done is undetectable, you know? That's what I think everyone in this moment wants.

If anyone who's going to get work done is undetectable work. I think that's what the goal is. I think it was like so far people like took it so far with the cheeks and the lips. And it actually ends up working against you where you look older subconsciously because it looks like you need a lot of work done. So I mean, personally, I just like a little filler in the lips. I think that's enough. I think if you go too hard, you're almost setting yourself

up for a disaster if you ever want to get a facelift. Totally. And also, things have trade offs, right? So when I have a patient who's like, oh, I just want like a little, like we always go like this, my patients always go like this, like pull up their cheeks. And it's like, okay, we can add, like sometimes I'll just take one or two syringes and like do a little bit everywhere, just for like how the light like,

like goes off of the skin. It's like how everything kind of looks, the contour, the highlights, things like that, reflects off the skin. And's like how everything kind of looks the contour the highlights things like that reflects off the skin and I don't think people need much but you're right if you want like super high cheekbones. What about your temples? What about your mid cheek things like that? Like I have filler. It's like my job I don't think I do think it got villainized because everyone went too crazy with it And it was like this thing called perception drift, where you forget what you look like. Your provider's not,

maybe you're not going to the same provider, or maybe they're not looking back at the photos. But I like have to cut people off, sometimes not in a bad way, it's just like, hey, we are where we need to be. Everything's balanced, everything's looking good. So I totally agree. I also don't think that fillers or sculpture

or all these other things are like ruining your face so much where you can't get a face lift. I think that's a little fear-mongering from some plastic surgeons. But in any case, you've got to do it right. You've got to be conservative, like you said, and some things are fine to do. I think the biggest win, in my opinion, with any work is it's harmonious. I think the right, it's like in alignment. Cause even if you go and you spend all your money on like getting the perfect lips,

it throws something else off if you're not careful. And I've talked to a lot of people about this, like they'll get their nose done and then they're like, wait, I need my chin done too. And they never noticed their chin because they changed their nose. So it takes the harmony out of it. I think the right, my word, notice their chin because they change their nose so it takes the harmony out of it. 100%.

I think the right, my word, if I was going to get into like plastic surgery all over my face would be harmony. Yeah, no I think you're spot on. And a lot of us kind of say that too, it's like facial optimization, facial balance, I think harmony is like such a great, because it has to go, you have to look at their ethnicity, you have to look at their eye shape. Like me personally, I cannot have huge lips. I have like massive eyes.

Like it would just look really odd. And I can do it on myself. Anyone can do it on me. It's just like you gotta find yourself a good provider, find yourself a good derm, you know, trust in them, find someone who you vibe with and let them be your like person. But don't be afraid to ask questions too. And like, I don't know, someone's just saying yes, yes, I think, I think that's a red flag. We've kind of been talking about a lot of things besides me for a while. No.

I'm teaching you how to be in harmony. Change it back to yourself. No, no, no, no. But I was going to, I was going to ask when people come to you at this point of your career, are they mostly coming for aesthetics or are they coming because of problems and issues with the skin or is it a combination? That's a really good question. So I am highly specialized and I'm a freak of nature, I feel like.

So I'm a board certified dermatologist. So that's like after med school, it's like four years of derm or one year of medicine and three years of derm. So I do have a half a day, a clinic where I do like skin checks. That's not like my main thing. I did like extra training and I'm a most. And how crazy should people be? No, I don't want to say crazy.

How often should people be doing that? The skin checks. The skin checks. I think once you turn like 30, you should do it once a year. And it's, if you have insurance, it's covered by insurance. It's not a cosmetic thing. The full body one where you go in. People need to know that.

Yeah. And like treating rosacea, treating eczema, treating hair loss. Some of those treatments for hair loss are not covered by insurance, but like oral minoxidil, things like that are covered through insurance. Use your insurance. When you're doing a skin check, is it like spreading everything?

Like what's the skin check? This guy was in there on me. I love this. He was up your ass. People get really nervous about this. So we usually say, I put people in a gown and I say, bras off, just your underwear on. If they want to keep their bra on, they can. And usually, you know, I see men and women. So I keep things pretty, you know, I look at their arms first, so they're comfortable. And then I look at their face and then I look at their scalp, by their ears.

I have them stand up. I look at their back and bottom. I ask them if there's anything on their bottom they want me to look at. If they have a lot of moles, I kind of just say, can I look at your bottom? There are some people that come in like but ass naked I'm not I would go button. I would fall in. Yeah. Yeah

I was like listen, we're here. We might as well check your balls He got he got it. We've got in there. Okay, you can't and I do too I asked like sometimes people guys come in what if you miss something there exactly So I but I there's less things there, but I usually, if they have a lot of moles, I say it's usually recommended or if they come in for a spot or sometimes I have to ask like, Hey, is there anything else you want me to look at? You want me to look at your growing area? And then they'll say yes or no. There's like skin tags. They want me to remove whatever. The guys are like grab

onto those guys. Yeah. So what? The guys are probably like, yeah, I want you to look at it all. I had a man looking at me. You know what's crazy? You know, my main office is in Tucson. We have U of A there. And the amount of like frat daddies. Oh, I'm sure. Or frat guys that I've had come in, just be like,

is this normal? Is this okay? Is this an STD? Come in is insane. And it's good. It's good they do that. But I don't know if they know it's me looking at it. I don't know if they- Is there a lot of STDs? Yeah, there's a lot of,

no, I mean not that many, but there are a lot of genital warts. Oh, what do you do for genital warts? This is a little tangenty question. Yeah, I know. So I've had to cut some out because they were malignant. Oh, you have to cut a wart out.

Not a wart. So if they just have little warts, I'll freeze them. If they have more than one or one's growing, I'll biopsy it and strain it and have them check the HPV strains to see if it's like a bad strain or a benign strain. And I would say in like a few handful of people, one guy I said it was it was on his penis. I sent him to a colleague of mine to do the surgery and then a few other people I just do the surgery on their penis. I don't ask this to like to like make fun of it. I ask it because I want to take the taboona side of STDs. I know

I remember when I was growing up having an STD was like, oh my, it was like a scarlet letter. So I just am trying to like, people have had STDs. Back in your day, they sent you off to live on the side of a hill for the rest of your life. No, and you know, I am making light of it, but it's definitely, it's definitely not. And my biggest thing is to make patients feel as comfortable. If they don't want me to operate on them, I'll send it to a male colleague. Yeah. But I have done it

several times on people even in their 30s, 40s. I wouldn't say this is common, so I don't want everyone listening like get freaked out or get their partner like freaked out. But I will say General Wartzer can be common. They usually need to be frozen, but if they keep coming, there's a lot of them. Maybe one little biopsy is not a bad idea, just to see if you have like HPV, the bad strains, just like women. I think it's good to talk about that. Listen.

What I was mostly getting to with the initial question is at this stage in your career, are people now more focused on the aesthetics or are people going to see derms for health? And the follow-up is, are we maybe getting so focused on some of the aesthetics and skincare that we're neglecting some of the health that is required to make sure that we are keeping our skin safe? That is a great question. Okay. So in my practice, we do medical, surgical, cosmetic, everything.

And then I also do integrative. Your dermatologist should be offering medical skin surgical, cosmetic, everything. And then I also do integrative. Your dermatologist should be offering medical skin checks, right? If they're not, someone in their office will be, right? For people that are like more specialized, so I did a fellowship in cosmetics and skin cancer surgery. So for me, I do less skin exams than some of the surgeries and things like that. But I would say that it's just as important. And I've found so many patients where I've done Botox on them. I saw their kids for acne where I, I diagnosed a melanoma on their mom,

or they came in for Botox. I'm like, let's do your skin check. There's been plenty of times where I've found a skin cancer. So I think that as a physician, it's like, do no harm first. And if you find it early enough, what are, is it, again, this is based on a place of ignorance. For sure. If you say you catch it in the very earliest stages, like how big of a deal is it compared if you wait too long? Because I think being proactive about these things is important.

Yeah, a hundred percent. So there's melanoma. That one is the one that can spread and kill you a little bit more scary. I've seen a lot more melanomas lately I would say. That one is where if you don't catch it six months or a year it really kind of just depends. That one is the one that can kind of spread. So I would say get your yearly checks. Your family history is so important. Taning bed history is so important and the number of moles you have is really important. After the age of 30 you really shouldn't start, you shouldn't see any new dark moles. So anyone who hears that, that is like your red flag.

That is like your little guidance to go see a dermatologist. And then I'll tell patients like, hey, you're pretty low risk, you know, you don't need to come in or someone else. I'll be like, let's check you again in six months. What profiles someone as low risk? Low risk would be no family history, not a lot of blistering sunbirds, no tanning bed history and less moles. Like people who have more moles have a higher risk of developing melanoma.

There's just like a chance that your body will mess up. And when you say tanning bed history, is this for a prolonged period of time or you've gone in once or twice? Yeah, great question. There is some data to support, like even one tanning bed use can increase your risk. I forget what that number is, but this, you won fine. We all like did it for prom, whatever. Like you probably did it.

You probably did it. Have you gone in a tanning bed? I've gone to the tanning bed. How many times? Maybe honestly, swear to God, maybe two to three times maximum. Okay. So that means 10. No, no, no, I've done, just in Tucson.

In Tucson. So you're like, would be like a little, I would want to, I would ask you that. And then I would like have a lower threshold to check things. So that's melanoma, right? And then we have- Some of that spring break body, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And then we have, well,

some of the dorms at U of A, I don't know if they still do, but they had tanning beds. And then we have non-melanoma skin cancers, right? These are the most common ones. These are not as scary. They're not typically going to spread into you. These are the ones that I diagnosed in like 30 year olds and then 60 plus, they really have them.

So basal cell would be something like if you have a pimple that's healing. So I didn't like that you were like that spot is healing and then coming back and healing, that is a kind of a red flag. I looked at it, it looks fine. But if you feel like a pimple is showing up and then healing on its own

and something's been there for about three months, that's when you should go and check it because skin cancer doesn't always need to hurt. They don't always have to bleed. They're really slow growing and they look like they kind of heal on their own. And then you have squamous cell, which is this other type of non-melanoma skin cancer. And these are usually a little bit more scaly. So if you have a little scaly

patch that's not going away, that is also a time to get it checked out by your derm. What about peri-ola, perioral dermatitis? Yeah, this is a big one. A lot of people have experienced this. I've been talking just in my community and I've heard this a lot and I've had it before. Yeah, I have so many patients with this. Perioral dermatitis is the cousin of rosacea. So they have very similar triggers. Travel, like irritating skincare, diet, which can be anything inflammatory and that's so different for every person. I usually see this flare up with my patients that are traveling somewhere and using a new product. I shaved my face, which I do all the time. Yeah, dermaplaning.

Totally fine. But then I made a mistake and I got a peel. Okay. Yeah. And woo, baby. Yeah. That was bad. Yeah. So it comes and goes. There woo, baby. Yeah. That was bad. Yeah. So it comes and goes.

There's no cure for it. There are things that you can do to improve your skin barrier. I think stop your, if you do have like a little bit of flare, sometimes it can be red. We call it perioral dermatitis. Dermatitis means rash. Perioral means like around the mouth, but it's usually kind of like around the nose too. So with anything like this, you kind of know what triggers it. People kind of know what triggers it.

So I say stop any of your actives for like two weeks, even like toothpaste, the fluoride and toothpaste. Cinnamon? Totally. Yeah, exactly. The fluoride. The fluoride, cinnamon, and then the triggers that can make it worse that are similar to rosacea include vasodilators like alcohol. It can include, well cinnamon is

an irritant for sure, chocolate, hot teas, what else? Anything that's like really fun and amazing like heat, sauna, high emotions, things like that. But perioral derm is like really irritating and it can really irritate people. When it gets really bad, I honestly prescribe a whole bunch of stuff just to keep it at bay. So then their skin can heal

and then they can just do their normal life. But they sometimes just need some prescription to keep on hand because sometimes it gets really bad and raging. Out of all the topics that you've discussed on your podcast in your Instagram and tik-tok What has gone the most viral and why do you think it did? You know, what's so crazy nail stuff? Yeah, I don't know if it's because people don't talk about nail health or gel manicures Or if they're safe, but every time I talk about nails, and it's not that many times,

but the videos always go kind of crazy, and it's like has a lot of discussion in the comment section. I think it's just people don't, derms don't talk about it enough. Everyone talks about skincare and hair. Hair is another topic that's really important. But yeah, that is like a big one.

And then also I do a lot of, so I'm a skin cancer surgeon and cosmetic And then also I do a lot of, so I'm a skin cancer surgeon and cosmetic surgeon, but I also did this year of like integrative derm, which I think you would actually love, you guys would both love, because it's like, what can you do with your diet? What can you do with supplements?

What can you do with like some of these alternative things in your life to help some of these common skin concerns? Because Tucson is a little bit of woo woo is like a little woo woo. You know, we have like Miraval there. What's the name we have here? It's Earthy. And some of my patients don't want traditional treatments for acne. So I go through like a list of other things that they could try first.

Like supplements. Give us some examples. For acne, for example, supplements are really important. So prebiotics, probiotics, sometimes I run a panel with that. Diet is super important, right? So we talk about whey protein, if they're on that. Good or bad?

Skin, bad. Bad for skin. Yeah, it is bad. Not that whey protein is like so bad for everyone. Just if you're trying to heal acne or... Yeah, if you have acne breakouts, especially in men, like if they have back acne, whey protein is usually something where I'm like, you gotta go with pre-protein. What about like little bumps on your arms? Is it going to make it worse?

So that is like a type of eczema, the little bumps on your arms, it's called keratosis pilaris. Yes. Yes. What makes that worse? An impaired skin barrier. So basically what those little bumps are, they're like little dead skin cells getting stuck in the hair follicle. So you got to moisturize.

If you live in the desert, you got to add a humidifier to your bedroom and you want to exfoliate. I'm not a huge fan of physical exfoliation because it can end up being just red and we have to laser it. But I love chemical exfoliants like lactic acid, glycolic acid, urea is so nice because it's a humectant which means it moisturizes but then also exfoliates. So there's a whole bunch of cheaper over the counter stuff for KP as well. Any foods that you would say to avoid or eat more of? For like an eczema type, I have to kind of go through it with the patient, see like what they eat.

I know when an egg, like a patient has eczema when they're really tiny, food is more of an issue when they get older. Food is not a huge flare up for things like eczema. But I always say, you know, keep it like anti-inflammatory. Right, that makes sense. Like always, like with anything. And this is where I really like some of the supplements. This is where I really like some of the infrared saunas. We have a red light panel that I really love.

And so it's just like, it makes sense, right? Your body, your lifestyle and your body and your skin, they're all like super related. How do you feel about red light therapy? We use a light stem bed. Do you like red light therapy for the skin? Yeah. And if so, how often and like what application?

Yeah. Red light actually has a whole bunch of studies to support it, both for the body. And I have like a red light, a huge red light panel in my office too, for patients. So it stimulates collagen, decreases inflammation, increases that circulation to that area, which is what you need. And just overall, that's a really good thing. And then for hair, we know it stimulates hair loss. We know it stimulates hair regrowth

and helps decrease hair loss. So of course this doesn't replace hair treatments, but I think it's a nice addition. And then just, I think the placebo, not even the placebo effects, but you just being in that like red, you said it's like a big light stem thing. So it's like a whole body thing.

Yeah, it's like a whole body thing. But I'm sure you've seen like the face panels and the body panels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, people, that's the same thing as like the masks. I don't think they replace skincare, but it's not completely nothing. Yeah. What about nails? You mentioned nails earlier.

What are some things that people have freaked out about with nails? You got to tell us the videos. Okay. Well, so the UV or the LED lights, right? So for the gel. Oh, I know. I just did it the other day. Yeah, mine are too.

I wear driving gloves, but that's fine. I just sent a video, you're so funny. Like I'm not the target, but my sister, she gets these all the time and I sent her a video. I'm like, hey, this looks a little dicey. Well, his sister has like crocodile claws. Oh no, cause it's like so much sun damage. No, no, no, no,

like her, like she gets the nails that are like a crocodile dew claw. I see. Okay. Her hands are so, I'm like, Oh my God, I don't know. Crocodile skin though is a great term. We want to avoid crocodile skin. Like they get the, they get the long ass nails. Yeah. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. That's a lot of maintenance. She's probably there every three weeks. Well, that's why I said it. I was like, yeah, I don't think this looks, maybe you can speak to it better than me.

I just literally forward a video online that I see him saying, hey, be careful. So are the gel things you put your hands in horrible? So the traditional UV lamps are. But the thing is the newer lamps that are LED that's still UV but a very Specific wavelength and a very short amount of time. What's the brand? Do you know the brand? I want to buy it Yeah, I mean it they're also a sponsor of my love So really and and and you will see a difference like C&D shellac if you go to a C&D specialist, that's like a professional,

you are putting your fingernails in that little thing for like no more than 10 to 15 seconds. Tell me who that you've gone to leaves it only in there for 10 to 15 seconds. No, it's like two minutes. No one, it's like a minute and a half. Yeah. And it like burns, right?

Yeah, like it rips your minute and a half. Yeah. And it like burns, right? Yeah. That is not right. That is not right. And also people should not, so this is like a really big thing for me. Like gel shouldn't be like thinning out your nails, but them drilling it off is absolutely messing up your nails. They should not be drilling off the gel. Like with something like shellac, they soak it in acetone. Literally just like pops off. They just like pull it off.

Well, I like a Russian manicure, which has changed my nail health because, yeah, because they don't drill it off like that. They're so about the integrity of the nail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just need to get, you have to tell me what the brand of the thing is. Everyone's gonna ask what's the brand of the-

Oh, it's like C&D It's literally C&D literally. Yeah, hold on Michael. I'm sorry. We need to know about this I need to know what's it called. It's it's like a bed for your nails. It's a the light the LED light Okay, so it's C&D. That's the brand. Yeah, that's the brand It's if you want a light to do whatever a gel at home. You want to make sure it's LED got it LED versus the traditional UV lamps LED may have a little bit of UV in there to do whatever gel at home, you want to make sure it's LED. Got it. LED versus the traditional UV lamps. LED may have a little bit of UV in there,

but it's not more than just like you walking to your mailbox. Got it. And of course, wear a little bit of SPF, wear your gloves. That's going to help like your hands, right? Okay. So that- Mike was acting like he's never had a pedicure before, which- I was going to ask a question, but now I'm like kind of debating.

Go ahead, go ahead. Usually I don't get hesitant to be- Go, do it, do it.icure before which I was gonna ask a question, but now I'm like Hesitant to be do it do it. No, then I was like do this and they're gonna get go ahead I'm trying to wonder if it comes to these long dewclaw nails that oh these girls are doing okay Who are they doing that for themselves? They want to look hot? Yeah, but I'm what but look who are you doing your hair for? Well, no, okay, but I'm wondering, Carson. Who are you getting your salmon semen facial for? He gets salmon semen facials. Oh, that's going to be wonderful. I understand having bright, youthful, glowing skin to be an indication of hotness for everyone, right? Everyone wants to have nice dewy skin. So they want pretty nails. Yeah. No, but the long, like do you think, do they think that men find those long nails exciting? Some men do like them and men- Carson, do you?

Okay, some men do like them. Yeah. But I'm always wondering, what the hell are you getting stuck under those nails? It kind of grosses me out. They're doing things for themselves. There's this thing about, and I like just get my nails done

for really like podcasts and stuff. What do you do when you gotta wipe them and you got those long ass nails? It makes you feel more put together. Well, for me, I like a short square nail because I- Wait, hold on. Answer me this. This is too much. We both don't have long nails so we can't. If you have these long ass nails and you gotta wipe, what is happening underneath those nails? I think that there's a lot of bacteria going on. I can't get past that. However, I think that everyone should be able to express themselves with their nails how they want. For me, I personally think that it's the chicest to have a short square nail. There's actually a reel on that of like someone demonstrating how they want. For me, I personally think that it's the chicest to have a short hat squared. There's actually a reel on that of like someone demonstrating how they wipe. So you can search

it if you want. I bet this is probably what they do. I'm going to guess. They probably wrap their nails in toilet paper. This is what they do. I'm going to already tell you. I just know they wrap their nails in toilet paper and then they take a big ball and then they go back back there and they wipe which is like a condom for your nails while you're wiping I don't think it's that weird how exciting for What do you do? How do you like I don't have long ass claws? Bury about that with you have a hairy knuckles What is my knuckles we think I'm wiping with my knuckles no I go in like a normal person

And I assume with someone with normal nail length. Okay. Anyways, but I just wonder about this thing because I was like, oh like I guess people think that this is exciting and attractive but I'm like, is this for other women or is it for the men? I'm just saying I never sat around in a group of my men being like, man, did you see that girl? I hope everyone who has long nails on social media eats him alive, but I do want to know how you type How do you how do you like play like They probably voice note. That's what I would do I see these girls sometimes and they have their phone and they're clicking like like this almost like they can't use it

Anyway, honestly, I think they like they like learn. It's a whole new skill. Yeah I hope we don't have a lot of listeners or viewers with those long nails. Oh, they're going to tear you a new one for sure. There's so many listeners. I feel like our listeners don't have those nails. Like when I picture our listeners, they don't have the nails. No, I don't think so.

I think it's honestly in to get like shorter nails. Less is more now. I don't mean to brag, but I've always loved short nails. I think it's so chic. The ladies that I talk to, they have nice nails, nice cuticles, not too long, polished. Plus, like a lot of jobs, like, you know, there's like regulations now. On nails? Well, yeah, like for us, like my girls can have like fake nails, but we have to like

wash them really specifically, like with a Hibiclens beforehand. Yeah, because imagine, like I come in, I'm like, I got my hemoglobin thing or whatever on my face, and then you're touching me with the- And she's like, she pulls out her pointer. From like way back here. She's infiltrating it with the pointer, cutting off the genital wart with it.

You know what, Carson, get in touch with HR and say we have a new nail policy in this office. Okay, I have important things to discuss. The salmon semen facial, I get one probably once a month. At this point, I personally think it's life-changing. I know that I'm also using now, don't freak out. You have to Google it.

You can talk about it. And bilical cord exosomes, so are you. So don't roll your eyes, Michael. Can you talk about that? Yes, okay. This is actually gonna be huge in 2025. I'm glad you bring it up because, okay, salmon sperm facial. What is this?

It's not actual raw salmon sperm that's like getting squirted on your face. Thank you for clarifying. It's the extraction of some of an ingredient called PDRN, polydeoxyribonucleotides. And these are super energized, like DNA built, like building blocks for DNA, right? It just so happens that salmon's sperm

has the richest, purest, highest quantity of this, right? I don't think salmon's are like hurt in the process, whatever, we eat them anyway. Probably feels good. Yeah, so exactly. Now that is gonna make a TikTok. That is absurd. Or it's probably good for them.

The salmon's like, ah, this is my year. Oh my God. I love it. I'm canceling the show myself. So that is why people find it really helpful. A salmon sperm facial is not very cheap. And I will say, do you guys get it injected in? Like micro injection?

I haven't gotten the injection yet. Microneedled. Good, you do? I get microneedled, but I wanna try the injection. Okay, that's not technically approved in the US yet. Oh, it's illegal. Kind of, not that it's illegal, it's like exosomes. It's not like FDA approved.

There's no like straight up regulation on it. But this happens in other parts of the world. 100%. And it's illegal. It's like exosomes. It's not like FDA approved. There's no like straight up regulation on it But this happens in other parts of the world a hundred percent and it's approved. Yes, like South Korea That's like where all this stuff comes from. Well, I think it's important to articulate because um, again Like people are gonna do what they want. This is not some like crazy thing that you know It's been popular in Korea for 14 years. So go ahead. So you do like the injection? I wouldn't do it for my patients right now. We do do the facial. We have done them.

I tried it because I was like on a segment for entertainment tonight talking about it. And this is a really good ingredient. For 2025, I do foresee companies coming out with ingredients. I see companies coming out with ingredients, I see companies coming out with products with PDRN in there. Got it. So now that you have to go get the facial or anything, anything that's injected in is good,

but then you have those risks of like, is something contaminated? Are there, is this actually good? Am I gonna get an allergic reaction? Cause that's my biggest thing, allergic reaction and contamination for anything that's injected in that's like not like vetted. Right. So so that's my take on that. I think PR and PDRN is awesome salmon sperm facial if it's like my carnita Lin fine and or just used

as a facial fine. I think products are going to come out with it in 2025. And this is very similar to my thoughts on exosomes, which are also not as an injectable FDA approved yet. And I think of exosome is kind of like crypto where it's like, kind of sounds amazing. It is, it could be, but it's just not like regular, it's not like, doesn't have like that substance regulation to it yet. So I think things are going to change.

We just haven't, me personally, I haven't found like a good company or enough research studies to like make sure it's like safe and effective for my patients. I do PRP or PRF all the time, all day long for my patients. I'm like, use their own stem cells, use their own growth factors. So, Axosomes, you said use as a face, like a skincare product? I use DermaFirm. It's a Korean brand. They have PDR. Oh, nice. Yeah. I feel like you would like this brand DermaFirm. It's, it's, I, there's this toner

that my facialist, her name is Jamie, has that is one of the most amazing products that tightens the skin. Speaking of amazing products, let's talk about what your best ingredients for 2025 are ones that you would universally recommend. Yeah, so I think for 2025, so one, it's like New Year's, right? What do

we want to do for our skin? What do we want to do for our body? It's winter, our skin is dry, our skin barrier is disrupted, we want a good refresh, and there's gonna be like certain ingredients that are I think gonna be super key and super new and innovative. So that includes beta-glucans. Beta-glucans, it's a humectant, so it pulls in water in it. So what beta-glucans does is it helps hydrate the skin, kind of like hyaluronic acid does, but it goes a little bit deeper and it actually like renews the skin, calms the skin down, plumps up the skin, improves elasticity of the skin. So that's really a huge thing.

So you want to look for products that have beta-glucans in it. One example is Lancome's Genifique line is really awesome. Have you heard of that one? I love that brand. Yeah, yeah. I used that brand the other day when I was doing one of my facial massage videos. It tightens the skin, it plumps it, and you can really get in there. This specific serum is a good one. Yeah, it, I mean,

Lincolm's been around for like ages, right? My mom used to use it. It's one of the first brands. Exactly. And I remember my mom using it so vividly. I feel like they know their stuff when it comes to skincare. And this particular product that's interesting that you mentioned it is definitely on my vanity at this moment. Yeah. So it's a serum, which I love. And I think also in 2025, people are going to want to find products that are multitaskers, right? Economy is going to change, things are going to get more expensive, we're busier, we wanna minimize, and we wanna really look for ingredients. So that product is really nice because each little drop,

do you know each little drop of that stuff has like 90 trillion beta-glucan molecule, like it's insane. So you see that instant plump up, which is great. That's why I'm seeing when it like, my skin feels like it like almost craves it. Yeah, that's why I like it for facial massage. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'll like.

And then you use your little gua sha or something. I use this is how I use it. Yeah. Ice roller. Love. Then I'll use like a serum like this or I'll use an oil and I'll really get in there. Manipulate my face. This is so good for plumping. Yeah. And then after that, I'll bring in my face foam massager and I'll get in there with it.

And I like how it glides against the serum. Totally. So what's the technology behind it? So I think it's the fact that they know an ingredient works. They know it can get delivered to the skin, right? Because that's the biggest thing. It's like, OK, you have products that have an ingredient. Is it actually going into the skin?

Is it actually doing what it needs to do? And then not only that, this product, specifically the Genafake Recovery Serum, has hyaluronic acid, which we love, and it has licorice root. Licorice root is really an interesting product because it helps brighten and it helps soothe the skin. And then for the recovery part,

and this is probably why you'll see kind of the long-term benefits from it also, is it has microbiome technology. So prebiotics, probiotics. I love it. That's why I like it. Because I can get dermatitis and I need that pro and prebiotic. Exactly.

Why is hyaluronic acid so important? So hyaluronic acid, I mean, we've known it. This is something that I think was like the last year or maybe the year before is like everyone that was talking about it type of product. So hyaluronic acid is intrinsic in our skin. We have it. It creates like that plump, right?

We lose it over time as we age. So hyaluronic acid pulls like a thousand times its weight in water. It's nice because it plumps up the fine lines like immediately on like wet skin and then you want to like moisturize afterwards depending on what other ingredients are there. It's very similar now. I think the new hyaluronic acid is honestly like beta-glucans because it does a little beta-glucans does a little bit more. It renews the skin, it helps brighten. There are studies behind it, which there are for hyaluronic acid too, but I think in this case you want to, one, in 2025, if you want to do, if you want to find the right product, you want to look at your skin concerns, you

want to know your skin type, you want to look at your skin concerns. And then you want to find ingredients for that and then find a product that has those ingredients that has been around for a really long time. And what about licorice root? What exactly does it do? So it helps brighten. It's like a really, it's lighter, so it's not going to irritate your skin. It's one of those like integrative, like holistic type ingredients that I recommend for my patients. And it also is really soothing. And is this something that you can take these ingredients

down to the chest? Cause I like to take it to the tits. Oh yes. So you can take it all over the neck. You can, you can, yeah. That's a really good point too, because our skin on our neck is so thin. It's like 10, I don't know, it's not 10 times.

Our eyelids are 10 times thinner. I don't know how thinner our neck is, thin. It's like 10, I don't know. It's not 10 times. Our eyelids are 10 times thinner. I don't know how thinner our neck is, but it definitely is thinner. And that's why we see the signs of aging there. And then of course we always miss like the decollete and neck and chest area. So you absolutely could. And because it's a serum a little bit,

kind of goes a long way. It kind of like drips all over. Do you know how important it is to bring your skincare down to your nipples? I bring it down. I got it because I read so much and I'm always like this. I'm trying to get it. Yeah, the tech neck. Well, I got these glasses.

My friend, Kata gave them to me. So I don't have to look down at my phone anymore. The glasses reflect so I don't have to move my neck. So I look like Ichabod Crane when I'm looking at my phone, but I'm not looking at my phone. So everyone when I zoom with gets mad because they think I'm not looking, but I am looking. It's just a reflection. You have to send me those.

It's ridiculous. It looks like, it like has multiple angles to the glass. If I'm going to use my hyaluronic and my licorice root and my beta glue cans, then I am going to let that stuff sit in and I'm not going to be moving my neck up and down. I don't want tech neck. Totally, totally.

There are things that we can do for a tech neck, but yeah, all this stuff costs money. So why go through that? What are some other little tiny tweaks that you would make to people's skincare routine that are easy and efficient and quick? So let's see. I think that number one, if they do come to my office, I want to make

sure that I look at their skin as a whole. Do they have rosacea? Because their skin and what ingredients they need for them for their skin is going to be different with someone that doesn't have rosacea or doesn't have acne. Do they have oily skin? Do they have combo skin? Do they have dry skin? So that's going to be, I think, a big thing is like know your skin type.

Is it mostly genetics that play into that or is it genetics combination with diet and lifestyle? That's a good question. I think genetics is huge. I think where you live is huge too. Like it's way more humid here than like the desert, like where I live in Tucson and then also in LA. I liked it when it was out there, it was like dry.

Oh yeah, my hair was- But I guess it's not the best for skin, right? It's so dry. Like everyone has eczema there. Everyone has like some type of dermatitis. Like perioral derm is like rampant there, I feel like. Cause just everyone's skin barrier is so compromised. I visited out there and I had 10 humidifiers in my room.

Yeah. I don't, you have to have 20 humidifiers. I really do. You get used to it though, a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I like it. You do? I love it. Yeah, I liked it when I was out there. It's been a bigger adjustment me coming out here with the humidity.

Yeah. I guess some people say it's good for the skin. Yeah. The thing with dehydrated skin is you just look older. So people come in and they're like, I just look and feel so old. And then I'm like, your skin is just dehydrated. Let's hydrate you up. That makes sense So you need a humidifier over there. What are other little tweaks that we can do? Let's see. So I think in 2025 People are gonna I think dibble dabble with with cosmetic treatments a little bit, too I think they're gonna be careful about who they're going to a little bit more I think this year filler was vilified and I think in 2025 maybe they're gonna try it again. Maybe 20 this year they got it dissolved next year they're kind of getting it get in there again a little

bit. Okay. I think lasers are gonna be huge. I think lasers are like that one X factor where if you know you know and your skin looks so much better if you're getting some type of laser to help resurface, help tighten. Like give us some examples of names. Okay, so I think as if, as just to start, if someone hasn't done anything before, like clear and brilliant is nice.

A cool peel is so great. So these are things that resurface the skin. So helps with like fine lines, large pores, things like that. I'm a huge advocate for energy-based devices that tighten the skin, like radio frequency micromania, like Morpheus. I know everyone, this was like a huge thing where everyone was like, oh, but it melts fat, it disrupts your skin, da da da da. But I think it just got so big and popular that it got in the wrong people,

like people went to people who didn't know how to use it. You know, you were talking earlier about some of the stuff with the micro needling and some of those practices. And I look at it the same way I look at Botox or a tattoo artist. And it's like some of these people that are on the cutting edge of this technology that have done the most research and taken the time to become professional practitioners of this kind of new technology are there's there few and far between like there's a rarer people.

I think you have to be careful when these things become mainstream and everyone starts doing it. And I think that's why these practices get a bad name. Even like the ExaZone PR, was it PDRN? Yeah. PDRN. Yeah. PDRN.

Like I agree with you. You have to be very careful as things get more popular and you have everybody that doesn't have the know-how jumping in and doing it to people that you could have dangerous practices. You'll get fake stuff, because that stuff's expensive too. The same thing happened with Filler, and same thing happened with Botox.

I just think people, even when they hear podcasts like this, I want to caveat them and disclaim that Lauren and I are fortunate that we spend a lot of time making sure we're going to people that are well-vetted and professional, have really built upon their skillset to be able to do these things properly. We would be the first people to say like, we would not go to anybody that does not know

their shit. A hundred percent. And I think that's why you guys have brought people here that are really knowledgeable. And I think that people really should just know their provider, know who they're going to and unfortunately the better providers are more expensive, right? So I just say, don't cheat yourself out on this. You don't need the filler all the time. Also like the people are like, I don't want filler because it doesn't a hundred percent

go away. That's not a bad thing. Like if you have a good filler, you want it to stay there as long as you, as long as you can, you know? My perspective on like it being more expensive is I would rather pay the expensive rate and get it right as opposed to paying a cheap rate and getting it wrong.

And I know like, I know that sounds like something privileged to say is obviously somebody who's, you know, I have financial means, but I would almost forego the service completely if it's going to be with somebody who doesn't know what they're doing with a risky service provider that's not vetted and not doing best practices because you can have way more problems that end up costing you way more in the long run. It does. When I see a lot of patients that come in and they got overfilled somewhere

and we're starting over, it does cost a lot of money and time to take off work, blah, blah, blah, to dissolve it, you know, dissolve it off and then restart again ends up being more. But I never want to like shame anyone for they don't sometimes they don't know they'll go to like a random med spa down the road, whatever. They don't know what they're getting into. And I think it just we learn from it. And I think people are so knowledgeable now about speaking up for themselves and being

their own advocate for a lot of these things for health, especially I think is are so knowledgeable now about speaking up for themselves and being their own advocate for a lot of these things for health, especially, I think is so important. But also like cosmetics. I out of everything I've ever tried and done think that the two best things that I've done for my skin are facial manipulation mixed with good skincare. If someone's listening and they want to start with three products for great skin, what are the three products that you're recommending? Okay, I'm going to do ingredients. Does that work? Yeah. Okay. So I would say if you're just starting off you have like no no base at all. I

would say you need to be on some type of retinol. I know that's controversial. Not everyone's on a retinol. Not everyone can tolerate a retinol, specific retinols. But I think that most everyone, like you're on a retinol, but your skin's like not irritated. So I think that a retinoid and retinol being the over-the-counter version is truly the gold standard and I had Shani Dardhan on a while then we were just like fangirling over like retinol and I'm like because we know like what it can do to the skin and It truly is the one huge anti-aging ingredient So I would say find yourself a product find yourself a product that you can tolerate

That is has retinol in it. That's number one. And then number two, it's like SPF. Yes, you don't have to put yourself all throughout your body, head to toe in sunscreen. I think there's other ways to sun protect. I don't like putting my whole body and rubbing myself with sunscreen. I will do my face but like other areas I'll wear a hat, I'll wear a long sleeve if I'm out, things like that. But I think a good SPF is good. If you're, anyone's listening and they're at all worried about SPF or the ingredients, go with the mineral. Go with non-nano. There are safer, they're

all safe but there are all different types of SPF that perhaps are less chemical. I have to give you one, a Skinny Confidential SPF. It's mineral. Okay. And it's caffeinated. Oh, I love that. So it tightens the skin.

Yeah. While it's protecting. And it's got the prettiest tint. I love that. I have to give you some before you leave. Yes. I bet it's really nice under the eyes too. It's so nice. I'm obsessed with it.

I use it every single day under my makeup. Oh, I love. And what's the third one? The third one's gotta be the best one. Oh my gosh. Honestly, number three is finding a product that has something for skin hydration, plumps up the skin, helps fine lines,

has pre and probiotics, and that's one by Longcomb, which is the Genafique line, because it's like a multitasker. You love this product so much. You gave us a code for the audience to shop. You guys can go to longcomb-usa.com and use code TSC20. You get 20% off.

The one that we like specifically is the Genafique Ultimate. That's the one that has all the ingredients in it. I like to use it for facial massage. I've heard about this product for the last year from so many different people, off air, on air. Is this one mine? No? You can actually have that one because I have three bottles at the house.

If it's okay with Dr. Sheila, can you steal that? I would use it after... I love that with Dr. Sheila, can you steal that? I would use it after- I love that. Okay, it's a serum, right? So you wanna go thinnest to thickest. So you wanna cleanse first and then that. And then your SPF, like some cream afterwards. Okay.

Yeah, if needed, but SPF usually. And I really wished you would start doing facial massage with me because you can give yourself a brow lift with it. Listen, I'm coming to Tucson. Yes. I graduated and everybody goes back for these like reunions. But I was like, I'm out of here. I never went back. Oh, I just, I just feel like I did it. You know, it's like I'm back in the reunion. You didn't want the whole school to see you

looking like Woogie with that shit on your face from something about Mary. But I feel like it's been now. That's what he's acting like. He's acting like he has open sores all over his face. It's a fucking dot. It's been at least 15 years, 10, 15 years. Now I'm going to come back to Tucson. We're going to hit some lasers. We're going to get this thing off my face.

Yeah, we'll go to that one bar that you were talking about. Well, not dirtbags. We're going to go like the actual bandit. I don't know what you're talking about, Michael. I don't know if all these places even exist anymore. I feel like they like are turned over like this. And Dr. Sheila has her own podcast. It's on Dear Media. It's called Derm Approved. What can our audience learn from your podcast? What are some guests that you've had on? What are you proud of? Yeah. So I love it because it's back by you guys. It's a, I'm a dermatologist, so it is all things

skin care, cosmetics, and skin, hair, and nail wellness, right? And I have some solo episodes where I dive into the details of just all the info. I answer questions. My last solo I talked about stretch marks, cellulite, KP, body acne, hyperpigmentation, like so many things. And I've had some great guests. So we've had like Shawnee Darden, I had Dr. Pimple Popper on. I've had some, I've done some swaps with other Dear Media girlies and it's just been so much fun.

Dr. Pimple Popper, does she like to pop pimples? You know, no, and it's so funny because on, we did a reel and it's on the Dear Media page and it says like, we don't recommend squeezing pimples. I think it really kind of depends, but Sandra Lee, she is amazing, so nice. It was such a good time. And it was like really a good episode because it was on acne and acne scarring.

I've never been a girlfriend that's like, lay down, let me pop your pimples. Like that's just never been me. No, good. And And that's like it creates, honestly, it's like makes them worse. I have this theory. Now imagine if you had those long. You can tell me if I'm wrong or not. I have a theory that when you pop a pimple and one speck of that bacteria juice gets in the other area, another pimple forms. No, you're so right. And not only that, but on an inner... That was my intuition. Like internally, it creates like... Uh-huh.

Like an inflammatory cascade where you get more... So you pop the pimple and then it drops somewhere else and then you get another pimple. The only time... So we're just leave it alone? Yeah, the only time that I say it's okay to pop a pimple... To lance it. To lance it, when it's a whitehead.

It is almost on its way. You heat it with a little warm, right after the shower, it's soft when it's a white head. It is almost on its way. You heat it with a little warm right after the shower It's soft. It's warm. You can almost like just wipe it off. Right? Should I come work at your clinic? Yes Oh my god, I think like maybe you're like a dirt All right. I'm coming to see you. You know why I didn't I went and I was looking around and I'm like I don't know this guy's nice. No, but I need somebody that I can trust with a laser. There you go. And then he was up your balls looking at if you have any moles up there.

I can confirm you have no moles. Good. We'll get you down there. No, I'm good actually after last night. Okay. Where can everyone find you, follow you, pimp yourself out? Oh my gosh. Thank you. So the podcast, Derm Approved podcast, I have an IG for that. And then my main social handle is Dr. Sheila Derm. I'm super active on there. It's on Instagram. It's on TikTok and then on YouTube. And I'm just spreading all the knowledge. I love it. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Of course. I have notes. I'm inspired. Amazing. To shop Dr. Sheila's favorite product, you can go to lawncomb-usa.com and use code TSC20 for 20% off. Genofeek ultimate. Genofeek ultimate.