The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Dr. Will Cole On The Art Of Being Well, Intuitive Fasting, & The Importance Of Being In Touch WIth Your Body & Mind

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

#335: On this episode we are joined by Dr. Will Cole. Dr. Will Cole is a leading functional-medicine expert, consults people around the world via webcam and locally in Pittsburgh. He specializes in clinically investigating underlying factors of chronic disease and customizing health programs for thyroid issues, autoimmune conditions, hormonal dysfunctions, digestive disorders, and brain problems. On today's episode we discuss the idea of intuitive fasting, the art of being well, and the importance of getting in touch with your mind and body.  To connect with Dr. Will Cole click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Three Ships Beauty In case you aren’t familiar, Three Ships is an all-natural, vegan skincare brand on a mission to make clean beauty accessible for all women by providing 100% plant-derived, certified cruelty-free skincare products all under $40 snd Three Ships is giving TSC listeners 20% off their first order on www.threeshipsbeauty.com with promo code SKINNY20 This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 25,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for free. That’s right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 25,000 classes for free. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by Bioptimizers Magnesium Breakthrough is a complete formula that includes naturally-derived forms of all 7 forms of supplemental magnesium and doesn’t contain any synthetic additives or preservatives. Today you can get 10% OFF with a specialThe Skinny Confidential coupon code when you visit bioptimizers.com/skinny and enter code SKINNY10 Produced by Dear Media

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Aha! So if you just cycle through those, it's sort of this proverbial yoga class for your metabolism. Like if your metabolism is not so flexible right now, it's more in this sugar burning mode, especially after just having a baby. This is a way to sort of rev up your fat adaptation or your metabolic flexibility. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. You have me, Lauren Everett's boss today. I am in a good mood, Michael. Lucky you. And you have my husband, Michael. I can tell you're in a good mood because normally we do these pickups, guys.

It's a little behind the scenes action here. We do these pickups where we come in and do the intros after or do the ad spot placements. And normally it's like pulling teeth. And normally I have to come with like a shield because she's attacking me. She's abusive. She doesn't like my feedback. No, I don't like your feedback. So today it's been going pretty, pretty, pretty good, pretty swimmingly. Okay. And we have a date tonight, so that'll be fun. Oh, that's why you're in a good mood. You're on best behavior because you want to make sure that I get the good one and not the cheap swill. The best Italian restaurant in LA has the best pasta.

I was trying to think about why you're in a good mood. You don't want to ruin the date tonight. No, the date, you better come with like all guns blazing tonight. Like I want my chair pulled out. I want the door open. I want my red wine, Brunello specifically. I want a nice appetizer. Also in a good mood because we had a good morning session.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true too. I laid that pipe good. People are standing up. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true too. I laid that pipe good. Sorry, that's a little vulgar. That's a little vulgar. I didn't even know that. You could see we were in a good mood.

Okay. She almost, she's going to try to make me edit that out. Taylor, leave that in. I'm not editing out. I don't care. I don't, I don't edit anything out. We're husband and wife. No, in this episode, we talk about how you can't give a fuck what anyone else thinks. So I don't care.

So. Okay. Who do we have on the podcast? Today, we have Dr. Will Cole. He has been all over the news because he is Gwyneth Paltrow's health guru. He's a senior functional medicine clinical director in Pittsburgh. And his specialty is an autoimmune brain, gut, hormone, and thyroid. He's a real expert. He just wrote a book that's all about fasting. We get into it into this

episode. The book is called Intuitive Fasting. We are doing a giveaway. If someone wants to win a copy of his book, Intuitive Fasting, the flexible four-week intermittent fasting plan to recharge your metabolism and renew your health, all you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at The Skinny Confidential and get excited because the foreword is written by Gwyneth Paltrow herself. And I would also like to just add that Dr. Will Cole also has a new podcast on the Dear Media Podcast Network called The Art of Being Well with Dr. Will Cole with a bunch of great knowledge on that podcast. I really encourage everybody to check it out. And I think it's so important. Listen, we talk about a lot of things on this episode, but one of these things

is talking about how you actually have to listen to what people are saying. We've gotten to a place where people are so fast to jump down people's throats. I know the topic of diet and intermittent fasting is a hot topic, but let's all give somebody the chance to at least share the perspective before we jump in and pass judgments. I think Dr. Will Cole is amazing. I think he has a ton of great knowledge. He's been doing this for a long time. He's got a lot of great results with his clients. With that, Dr. Will Cole, my friend, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. What did you eat today?

You're traveling. Yeah. So I'm traveling. Actually, I fasted this morning. And then I broke my fast at lunchtime. And that's typically what I do. I do around an 18-hour fast most days. But when I don't want to, I don't want that I eat what I want.

And that's part of what I'm trying to say to people. I'm not advocating them to starve themselves. That's not what we're talking about here. It's having flexibility in your life and not being bound by cravings and hangriness. So anyway, so I fast because I want to and it feels good. And then I break my fast around lunch. I had this air one curry chicken. Have you had that one with grapes? Super good. Like curry stuff going on. And then Simple Mills crackers and a big salad. I got to save up for a year before I go to Erewhon. And then what will you have after that?

Because you're drinking your tea. How do you say it? Tea Java. Tea Java tea, which I'm 100% getting after this. And will you do a snack and will you do dinner? So I'm sipping on this. I had a Zevia too this morning. Have you guys had Zevia?

Yeah, Zevia's great. It's like my, oh man, Zevia's are good. Okay. It's like Stevia soda. Okay. So I had that. And then, I don't know, I'm actually going to Barbara Sturm's house for dinner. So whatever she cooks.

I love her. And you're looking so glowy. Is that courtesy of her? Yeah, in part. Yeah. She's come on the show before. I have to thank you, Dr. Will, for joining me as one of the only men on the Dear Media podcast. Thank you so much. Hey. I was starting to feel isolated there. Thanks for bringing me on. It's been exciting. I've loved the process. You guys, your team is amazing and I'm honored to be a part of the group. Yeah, I'm like down here and the team's up here.

Without the team, the ship wouldn't be going. You know who I talked to recently was Elise Lunin. Do you know her from Goop? I don't think we've met. Okay. She said the same thing. She's like, you're in great company, but you're one of the only guys. I know, but.

That's cool. A part of the conversation. That's okay. It's nice. So if Barbara Sturm's serving wine tonight, are you having wine? No, I don't normally drink. I'm not uncomfortable to say no, thank you. A lot of times feel that pressure. People feel that pressure. My patients tell me that like, what am I supposed to do? I just say no, thank you. And it's fine. And I'm not against drinking. I'll have it occasionally a few times a year, but it's not, I don't feel great when I drink even just a glass.

So I just don't like, I don't like not feeling great. That makes sense. Yeah. So today I woke up hungover. Sorry, Dr. Will. I had like three margaritas last night. Okay. But I was scrolling through Daily Mail and I see your name with Gwyneth Paltrow and she's

holding your book and talking about how obsessed she is with your method. I know that she likes her martini too. What are some changes that you guys have worked on with her diet? Yeah. Well, a lot of what I talked about in intuitive fasting is what we implemented because look, all the stuff that I've written, it's just a ripple effect of my clinical practice. So we ran labs on her, so we got better context. You can't put all that individual context in a book, but we did labs. We ran some blood labs and some other labs, and we started leaning into protocols to improve her health. So it's interesting to see the response. For me, it's so normal. I mean, eating healthy foods, some flexible intermittent fasting, it's not radical, but hearing the press and people,

I feel like they like to, I feel like they like to professionally misunderstand things. Yeah. We're in an interesting time where people like to just take things and run with it and they- It's called sensationalizing. Yeah. That's a good way to say it. What is the pushback that you're getting, if any? Why is this so controversial? We've talked about intermittent. We've talked about it before with you on this show. And I like it a lot. I mean, I feel good when I intermittent fast. It's not saying don't eat. It's just like giving the body a chance to... Exactly. It's not caloric restriction. That's the thing too. And we're

not even talking about multiple day fasts. We're talking about a specific subtype of intermittent fasting called time-restricted feeding. And you're still eating ample amount of calories. You're just doing a specific amount of windows. That's the research that I'm talking about. And these are the benefits that I see on an hourly basis with patients and their labs improve.

So for me, it's so not controversial. But I think you're right. I think it is sensationalism. And I think when you have someone like Gwyneth that's involved with it, she could say anything and it's going to offend a whole tribe of people that are addicted to being triggered and addicted to being offended. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of that going on right now.

I can go down a whole rabbit hole with that. I feel like we've gotten to a place where me personally, when everyone's offended by everything, I stopped worrying about offending anyone because I can't, there's too many potholes to step into. So now my, my blanket statement to everyone was like, you don't like me fucking turn me off. You don't like Lauren and turn me off because there's too many,

you can't say anything anymore without offending somebody. The pendulum's going to swing. People are going to get sick of this shit. And I used to go, I used to go into the feedback like okay let me read critical feedback and see like what makes sense and what doesn't and if there is room for improvement but now it's too like we've gone to a place in society where people are just so triggered and so offended by everything that i actually think it's

counterproductive now to look at what anyone said i always tell any creator that not to read their own press clippings don't read read the comments, good or bad. Don't read it. Unless it's something that is good energy and good vibes and you get in there and it's good. Or if it's something like Michael just said, that's constructive feedback. But if it's just people that are hating, who cares? Yeah, it is. And talk about judging a book by its cover.

They haven't even read the book. They don't even know what we're talking about. And talk about judging a book by its cover. They haven't even read the book. They don't even know what we're talking about. It just came out. It just came out. And they're saying, I mean, they don't even know what they're talking about. We're talking about very basic. I mean, if waiting until 11 a.m. is radical to you, you've got problems. I mean, this is for the totality of human history. I mean, this was normal, but we're just so A, addicted to being offended and B, addicted to food where we feel like, wow, that's radical to wait till noon to eat. It's not radical. I love waiting until noon.

I think also my problem, I am not offended by anyone because I don't want to give anyone the power over my mind. I could disagree with people, but I choose to not be offended by anyone because I don't want to give anyone the power over my mind. I could disagree with people, but I choose to not be offended by anyone because I feel like that gives somebody else power over me. Also, I think if you're triggered by something, you need to look inward of why it's triggering you. Right. But anyways, let's go back. I got to ask my main question though.

Yeah. What are the microsystems that you guys changed in her diet that needed refreshing? I look at Gwyneth and I think she's the epitome of wellness. How much better can you get? What were the things that you were helping her with when it came to her diet? Yeah. And obviously, you guys are my friends and I'm prefacing this for people that don't know this that I'm not... She's been public about this stuff. So I'm not breaking any patient privacy, anything. She wanted, she had COVID in April and she was struggling with brain fog and some fatigue issues and some chronic inflammatory issues.

And she was looking to bounce back, get her health back. And I think like everybody, they're when their world's turned upside down to a certain degree with during the pandemic and being out of your routine, your food, the way that you eat may have changed as well. So we just started getting back to the basics, getting some foundation and improving metabolic flexibility and supporting healthy, lowered inflammation levels. So through changing food and through flexible intermittent fasting, different supplement protocols. And she's also working with a conventional doctor too. So it's a good combination of her just supporting her health. It's really the most uncontroversial thing in the world, but they made it into

something. It'll sell books for you. What can you do? What's an example of a food you swap out? So for instance, like if I am eating a burger, I'll wrap it in lettuce. Is there any like little modifications or tips? Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So I do that too. Like if I go to a restaurant, I will get like a protein style. That's what I do. Because to me, I don't feel great when I have bread. And that's the thing too, is if you feel great on bread and your labs look great, if what you're doing is working for you, keep on doing it. I'm not telling everybody to do the same thing. I'm talking about if you're not feeling good, these are things to consider to improve your health. And a lot of people are feeling really

shitty, and they don't even know why. So I'm here to at least give my perspective from a functional medicine perspective on why that could be. And chronic inflammation and these metabolic issues are certainly common. They're so common. And that's a good alternative. What are some foods that are causing inflammation besides bread? And obviously, just preface this, we're not talking about everyone. We're just talking about some people. What are some foods? Scientifically, what are the... Because then people want to be mad about science, then I don't know what to say. Scientifically, what are the foods that typically you're seeing this from? Jesus Christ.

I like your advice of like, just not caring. If you don't like it, just move on. Move on with your life. We're going to go on a tangent. The reason I say you can't care is because no matter what you say, if you pander to that and you say something that doesn't offend this person, it's offending this other person. Exactly, right. So my whole thing is like, well, I'm just going to be authentically myself, be who I am, say what I want, do what I want, and not care about anybody's feelings. Because regardless, I'm going to end up irritating somebody in this culture.

So now I'm like, fuck it, I don't care anymore. Too bad. Yeah, that's good advice. I need to take it. So some things that are the biggest drivers of inflammation are going to be mainly processed grains, but other grains can be triggers too for people. So that's wheat, rye, oat, barley, spelt. You can get better versions of them, of course, but generally grains, added sugar, which everybody knows that, disrupts the microbiome. It raises insulin resistance. It raises inflammation levels in the body. Industrial seed oils like canola oil, vegetable oil, eating lots of those can be problematic. Conventional dairy is problematic

for a lot of people too. Some people are fine with it and you can get better versions of it, like the grass-fed stuff, the A2 stuff, the cultured dairy. There's better versions to just all the things I just said. There are better alternatives to it. It's not all or nothing, but those are the top four. Hold up. Let's talk about the one mineral that you should be worried about not getting enough of. And that, no surprise to anyone, is magnesium. So let me tell you about magnesium. It's the body's master mineral. And there's so many benefits to incorporating magnesium into your diet, like detoxification, fat metabolism, energy, and even

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a little allergic reaction to certain things. If I drink red wine, I can't sleep. I don't feel well. What's going on there? Okay. So I see this a lot. I mean, histamine intolerance is very, very common within my patient base. I don't know the statistics nationwide, but in my sect of people, they're dealing a lot with gut issues and that looks different for different people. And they may not have extreme digestive symptoms. They may be going to the bathroom fine, but they're having reactions to foods that are higher in histamines. And I think you see a lot of these issues that maybe 50, 100 years ago and before then, they weren't so common. But I think when you look at the epidemic of gut-centric problems that manifest in different ways for different people, those things

are becoming more and more ubiquitous. So histamine intolerance is associated oftentimes in research with dysbiosis or a specific type of dysbiosis called SIBO or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. That doesn't mean everybody with histamine intolerance has SIBO or dysbiosis, but it does mean a lot of people with SIBO do have histamine intolerance. So we have to look if it's a component for you and rule it out. But there are other things too.

There's genetic variants that can predispose people to histamine intolerance as well. Yeah, I mean, I think I've told you this from quarter Japanese. A lot of people don't know that. You never know it by looking at me. You know, we get that Asian glow when I drink certain things.

And so I got to be careful, but i feel like it's something that i've actually like maybe developed and maybe that has to do with diet or gut health because i didn't used to get as bothered by alcohol as i do now and now when i drink i'm like like a lot of time now i'm like i'd rather just not even do it yeah yeah and i that's i want people to grow in that intuition on their body just because what Just because what everybody else is doing because you heard it on a podcast, you should test it for yourself and say, is this worth it or not?

And I want people to have agency over their health to say, look, just because it was my everyday or it worked for me for a time, it's not working for me now. And pivot. Be okay with pivoting for your health. What are some meals and snacks that you go to for yourself,

for your patients, for Gwyneth what what are people like what are your wrecks like even like snacks and stuff yeah and even brands like if you have a bread brand you like like what are your brands yeah so I I like bars and things like especially when I'm on the go and I'm traveling I'm like in between meetings and stuff I like the bulletproof bars have you guys had those? Vanilla shortbread is a good flavor. I like the Epic bars. They're out of Texas, Austin. They are really good regenerative farmed organic meat bars, but they also have fruits and nuts in them. So for people that eat meat, that's an option. I like the Dang bars. They're a plant-based, low-carb, keto, healthy

bar. There's so many good things. I mean, I get sent so many cool brands and there's so much creativity when it comes to taking things that are not replacing real foods, but we live a busy life sometimes and we want something convenient. So I'd rather someone be pragmatic and say, let's go for something like that versus feel like it's all or nothing and they're either healthy or they're off the wagon, so to speak. What about meals? Is there any meals that you go to like cauliflower rice, like specific things? Like when I eat out or?

Yeah, like what do you tell your patients to do? Like modify everything? What are your go-tos when it comes to breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Like do you eat eggs? Yeah, so I eat what I, in the book, in intuitive fasting is basically how I eat. It's Mediterranean ketogenic diet that's flexible and cyclical. So I have carbohydrates when I want it, but I have my foundation and then I can pivot from there. So it's grass-fed beef, wild-caught fish, avocados, avocado oil, olives, olive oil, lots of vegetables, nuts and seeds. So it's sort of

that approach. I don't, I mean, it's so intuitive for me now that I will have, I'm not measuring macros. I'm not measuring calories. I'm just eating until satiety. And that's the message of what I'm trying to say with intuitive fasting. When you're metabolically flexible, you can go longer without eating. Not because it's some arduous obsessive thing. You're just more metabolically flexible. So that's the message of intuitive fasting and what I'm trying to get across to people. But I mean, other meals idea, like chipotle, I like their cauliflower rice. Have you tried that one? The rice cauliflower? I didn't know they even did that there. Yeah. Who got that moved was, or happened Whole30. Really? Yeah. Because she got the Whole30 bowl and she was

talking a whole year prior to them and saying like, you need to get this. But they didn't have, they had to figure out how to mass produce this rice cauliflower. So it's launched in January. We've never had her on the show, but we have a bunch of mutual friends. I mean, we should probably make that happen sometime. Melissa, come on the show. She would do that for sure she's cool she's got a cool story too she's amazing you gotta love her yeah what's your coffee order if you drink coffee yeah i do i drink coffee occasionally i'll just black coffee i'm super boring that way but i i mean maybe a splash of almond milk occasionally i'll do that but i like tea like i have this

big 40 of green tea that's why i thought that was an old english when you came and i was like oh damn dr will's coming in hot on the show but you know my favorite tea is earl grey tea actually do you guys i love earl grey tea we forget about yeah earl grey is like strong caffeine like but it has a nice taste it's like a hug from grandma exactly put a little almond milk yeah yeah earl grey is good he's gonna go order earl grey and epic bars you know what though like i did it all wrong growing up i grew up with like the lipton earl grey you know like remember the synthetic yeah like that was not good oh my god you did do it wrong you for sure had lipton listen that shit was good

but you know what something cool and sciencey is earl grey tea has bergamot in it which is a citrus from calabria in italy if you're getting the real earl grey ear Earl Grey tea has bergamot in it, which is a citrus from Calabria in Italy. If you're getting the real Earl Grey tea with bergamot oil, it's been shown to support autophagy pathways, which is the cellular recycling. Fasting does that as well. Ketotarian does that as well because it is fasting mimicking. I like to actually, when I'm fasting, have Earl Grey tea for that reason. Speaking of fasting, because we're talking- Really quick though, what brand of Earl Grey tea? We have to- Peak tea.

I'm obsessed with Peak tea. Simon Chang, shout out to Simon. He's brilliant. I'm obsessed. Peak tea is pretty much the only tea we drink. Me too. I mean, I'll have this occasionally because I'm on the go. No, it's the best.

At the clinic, it's all day, 10 hours a day with Peak. Sometimes I do Pilates with Simon. Really? What? Hi, Simon. So let's talk about fasting. I know we've done it before, but for new listeners or people that are just learning about fasting and we've covered it on this show, you've covered it, but scientifically, let's go through the controversy. Let's talk about why you're so controversial right now.

Let's go into topogy and fasting and the benefits from your perspective. Okay. So I think part of the controversy specifically is because I called the book intuitive fasting and there are people, I mean, tribalism that we keep talking about, they own that word intuition. Apparently they don't really, but they just, the intuitive eating movement feels like that's our word and it's the word police. And it's like, well, no, actually I'm having a completely different conversation from a functional medicine standpoint and you don't own that word.

And this is born out of years of clinical experience and personal experience. And just because it doesn't resonate with you, move on, like you said, I think that's great advice. Intuitive fasting is just my approach to using food as medicine and fasting as medicine to feel great. But you have to build metabolic

flexibility to actually get to the place of true intuitive eating from my standpoint. Because most of the world, 50% of the United States has a blood sugar problem. They have insulin resistance, they have PCOS, they have prediabetes, type 2 diabetes. 50 million Americans have an autoimmune condition. We're talking about a lot of issues. So maybe for a certain sect of people that have no health issues, they feel great in their body. Food's never been an issue for them. Health has never been an issue for them. Intuitive eating as it's talked about, that's amazing. People that have past eating disorders, that's amazing for them. But all the other people out there that are really

struggling with hangriness and cravings and fatigue and food is like making them feel horrible. Is it hangriness or is it intuition? Is it blood sugar problems or intuition? Is it insatiable cravings or intuition? I mean, emotional eating, stress eating is not intuitive eating, but many people when they see that, my patients at least are like, what the heck does it even mean? Because their body has imbalanced signaling pathways. When you have insulin resistance and hormonal problems, all of those things are going to mask themselves as what your body wants. But when you go into foods that make you feel really lousy, is that really your intuition? No, it's not. That stuff is clouding and hiding the actual voice of your intuition. So what I want people to do is to calm that proverbial noise in their body so they can actually hear that still

small voice of their intuition because their blood sugar will be balanced, their gut-brain axis will be healthy, their satiety signals will be properly. We're building physiological infrastructure. So that's what fasting does. So these vacillating, ebbing and flowing eating and fasting windows start to support something called beta-hydroxybutyrate or BHB, which is a ketone body. Ketones are known in the research as the fourth macronutrients. We have protein, fats, carbs, and ketones. So it's a way to fuel your body. Ketogenic diet does that as well. It's mimicking fasting. So I'm pairing Ketotarian, which is the name of my first book, but it's the second part of the conversation because the two sides of the same coin. If someone's supporting ketosis through

a ketogenic diet, but also fasting, that amplifies the benefits of both. They're part of the same lifestyle and tool in the toolbox. So it's starting to fuel the body, but beta-hydroxybutyrate isn't just a way to burn fat, even though it is. It's also an epigenetic modulator, meaning it does really cool things for our health. One of them is it lowers inflammation. It lowers these pathways, not to get super science-y, but things like NF-kappa-B, the NLRP3 inflammasome, these are high in a lot of people with autoimmunity. They're high in people with chronic health problems. And it's a natural and completely free way to lower that inflammation. And it upregulates things like autophagy, which I just mentioned,

these cellular resilient pathways, supports longevity. It helps to help with the dysbiosis, the SIBO that I was talking about. It gives your gut circadian rhythm ability to start to recalibrate. So it's far-reaching as far as its benefits. And this is all what's being explored in the scientific journals. And it's exciting. And it's something that I've implemented

with my patients for the past decade. But I thought it was a good time to come out with the book because people are talking about both of these things, intuition, as far as intuitive eating and intermittent fasting. I thought, let's have a functional medicine conversation about both of these topics. Quick break to talk about clean beauty. So I never was really into clean beauty until I got pregnant. And I realized I had to go through all my beauty products, all my skin products, and really examine what I wanted to use. And that is when I discovered 3Ships. So I am a huge,

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I'm going to send you my labs. Just maybe a couple of recommendations. Yeah. I honestly would start with leaning into the protocol in the book because postpartum, your body needs to reset and define its sort of new homeostasis. And this is a way to speed that up. Even without doing anything, it will slowly move there if you're eating healthy foods. But a way to speed that up is some flexible time-restricted feeding.

So week one is a 12-12 eating window. And you're eating lots of good foods until satiety within that 12-hour window. So that's 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. It's basically just not eating too late. So that's one way to do that. You're fasting through the night until you break the fast at breakfast. I eat very late. That's probably an issue, huh?

Yeah, yeah. And once in a while, I mean, some people can get away with it, but many people can't, especially if you're going through some hormonal changes already. It may just, you may not be going enough through the night with fasting so your body can rebalance and recalibrate. These autophagy pathways can be recharge fast. It's a bit deeper. It's about a 16 to 18 hour fast. That's where you see, honestly, most of the research on the 16-8 or the 18-6 fasting to eating window. So that's another way to really support decreasing insulin resistance. There's a lot of good studies around that and lowering inflammation levels. So if you just cycle through those, it's sort of this proverbial yoga class for your metabolism. Like if your metabolism is not so flexible right now, it's more in this sugar burning mode, especially after just having a baby. This is a way to sort of rev up your fat adaptation or your metabolic flexibility.

How do you feel about men versus women in the terms of fasting time? We've had Jillian Michaels on the show. I don't know if you've ever talked with her. I haven't, but yeah, I've heard her position on it. And talking about different times for men and women, do you agree with that stance or disagree? No, I agree with her. And that's the thing too, is I think, you know, I don't want to talk bad on anybody, but the reality is my experience is the truth is somewhere in the middle. For people that say fasting is not good for women, or you shouldn't do this, or all these people shouldn't

do that. Well, context matters. I mean, I know it's probably earth shattering news for people that say fasting is not good for women or you shouldn't do this or all these people shouldn't do that. Well, context matters. I mean, I know it's probably earth shattering news for people, but all women are different. And the idea of saying this isn't good for women is very reductionist to say, well, who is she? And how is she fasting? Because is she going through insulin resistance or metabolic issues or PCOS or weight loss resistance?

Or is she not? Is she going through sluggish thyroid or chronic fatigue? Is she leaner? Or is she going through all of those things? So it's how is she fasting and then what is she going through? But I would say that most women tend to be more sensitive with the deeper fasts longer because they tend to be higher in a signaling molecule called kispeptin, which women, it makes them more sensitive to longer fasts and longer time, lower carb and ketogenic diets. But that doesn't mean they can't do it. That's just like working out. You don't need to do the same workouts that everybody else is doing. You have to meet your body where it's at. So a cyclical, flexible way to fast leverages the benefits here without doing too much too

soon and thinking you need to do more to see the benefits because you don't need to be extreme to see amazing benefits. What are some immunity tips to build immunity? Obviously, with everything going on in the world, immunity is incredibly important. Yeah. Herbs, supplements, what are your tricks? So it really starts with food. I mean, I don't want to keep going back to that. I'll give people some additional ideas too, but believe me, you cannot supplement your way out of a poor diet.

Like if you're eating like shit, but taking some supplements, it's really not the point of it. So I would say really focus on food first. You should be able to call me out. All right. There's no shame here, right? But start with food because look, that's you're feeding your microbiome. That's 75% of your immune system. So when you're dealing with inflammatory problems or immune mediated issues or supporting your immune system, you want to look at where the predominance of the immune system resides, which is in your gut. So a lot of the foods that I'm talking about

throughout my career and what's in the journals of clinical nutrition and what's in the books that I write, it's really food for the gut, which is food for the immune system. So that's primary. And then from there, we can give therapeutic doses of things

that are good supportive tools. So vitamin C, great idea. It really supports the immune system in a powerful way. Two would be B vitamins, I think are really important for the immune system, specifically methylated B vitamins because methylfolate, B12, these are methyl donors, which are basically these carbon hydrogen groups that help to support something called methylation, which you need for a healthy immune system and lowered inflammation levels and a lot of different things too. And I mean, different herbs like astragalus can be really good.

Powder arco can be really good. Yeah, there's a lot of things. Even adaptogens can be immunomodulatory like the adaptogenic or medicinal mushrooms, I guess is the official way to say that. But things like chaga, lion's mane, cordyceps, these are all immune supporters too. Medicinal mushrooms, do you mean like shrooms too? Yeah, not psilocybin, but the other ones. Thoughts on psilocybin? It's an interesting field of research as far as it being beneficial. And I have seen anecdotally,

it'd be a lifesaver for some people that are really struggling with depression and really dark places in their life. And I've seen it be a great tool, but obviously more research needs to be done. This stuff, a lot of it's not FDA cleared, but there's amazing people that are doing research on it. Do you know Will Sue? No. Okay. I'll introduce you to him. If you want to talk about psilocybin, he's an expert on all psychedelics. We want to talk about it so bad. I'm hesitant to share my own experience because I don't know all of the research behind it.

So we want to have an expert on the podcast. Yeah, he's the guy to go to. And I think the group is called MAPS. Yeah. Yeah. So he's part of that. And he's in that world. You have to connect us to him.

Yeah, we'll see. I was so depressed after having a baby. I've never felt depression in that world. You have to connect us to him. Yeah, we'll see. I was so depressed after having a baby. I've never felt depression like that before from postpartum. And I micro-dosed mushrooms three times in a small period and felt 95% better. And like I said, not giving anyone advice, just sharing my experience. We're going to have someone on the podcast,

but it really helped me. Yeah, I've heard similar stories. I think it is. I mean, there's so many smart people that are involved in that field now. It is going to be part of our future regardless of what your stance is on it. There's enough studies coming out and there's people who are going to figure out how to do it in a responsible way. Right. Yeah. Under the guidance of a trained doctor. And a lot of these psychedelics are actually being fast-tracked because of the compelling evidence. So it is exciting. And I would, yeah, I'll introduce you.

Yeah. If you go back to the history of how like a lot of this stuff came about, like they were using it to cure depression and anxiety and, you know, postpartum and also post-traumatic stress. But then like, I think. I think we've had some of the best conversations of our relationship. Probably, but we, it got into that weird period of time. And I think it was maybe in the 60s, 70s when like all the war on drugs, all these, like it got all these bad labels. They stopped using it to heal people and they started abusing it. And then people like said, hey, your brain's going to fall out of your head if you do this

stuff. And then I think people got scared off. Yeah. But my personal experience is like, it's been pretty mellow. I actually think alcohol is worse for you on a consistent basis. Yeah, I would agree. And it is abused a lot in our culture today. Yeah, you're right. People shouldn't be afraid of these things, but they should talk to their doctor about them. This was a question from the audience. Are carbs really bad for you? So the conversation around carbohydrates, I think is really interesting. First of all, when people ask that question, typically they're just thinking grains.

They're thinking breads and pastas and that's it. That is a carbohydrate, but so is fruits. So are starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes or yams or white potatoes. Those are all carbohydrates because they break down into sugar. So it depends on the type of carbohydrate you're talking about. And it depends on the person. So some people are very carb sensitive, meaning they're very insulin resistant. They don't do well with more carbohydrates. Their body's going to respond in a negative way, especially the refined carbohydrates. Some people are very insulin sensitive or they can handle a

lot of carbohydrates and they're fine. This is back to that bio-individuality, which I know isn't as sexy and like soundbitey, but context matters. So who are you? But really that is sexy. It's finding out what works for you and finding out how you thrive. So carbohydrates aren't bad and it depends on the type of carbohydrate too. But generally, yes, refined carbohydrates aren't good in excess for any human being, but that doesn't mean you can't have any of them. But it's about finding, I actually talk about it in intuitive fasting. It's finding your carb sweet spot.

Some people do fine with more. Some people aren't going to do fine with more. Can you- Taylor, what the hell are you doing back there? Are you eating nerds? Are you fucking crunching pop rocks back there? What the hell's going on? No, quit it back there.

He's eating pink Starbucks. How are you eating pink Starbursts when you're listening to this episode? Only fucking you. Like we're literally talking about inflammation in the body and sugar and you're popping fucking Starbucks. I heard him back there. I'm like, he's up to Starburst. I haven't had a Starburst since the nineties. How is it? I wonder. It's you love it, huh? Taylor likes to eat Panda Express, Starburst. What else do you like to eat? McDonald's and Jack in the Box. Those are his pillars.

Nice. His pyramid. I would love for you, if you can, to talk about any other celebrities that you've worked with that have seen big changes and maybe talked about it publicly. Let's talk about skills. There is really no excuse with Skillshare, especially when you're at home more than ever now. You can learn the skills that you've always wanted to learn. I have my team attending Skillshare. They're looking at the Instagram story graphics, the videos, the works. The Photoshop one is good too. There's so many different classes on Skillshare that will enhance and add value to your life.

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Everyone wants to be more productive, more efficient with their time. And his course on Skillshare is an amazing place to start. Michael always raves about that course. I need to take that one. You always talk about it. So that's next on my list. Skillshare is also incredibly affordable. The annual subscription is less than $10 a month. So explore your creativity at Skillshare.com slash TSC and get a free trial of premium membership. That's Skillshare.com slash TSC and get a free trial of premium membership. That's skillshare.com slash TSC. Yeah, sure. And this, can I have a, I'll go back to Gwyneth real fast too. I think it's quite interesting for her to say on social media, and she wrote the foreword of the book too. She wrote the foreword of intuitive fasting. For her to say she feels great and she's never felt better

in her life. And somehow people want to take that away from somebody. That's really nefarious actually to say, no, you're not feeling right the way that I think you should feel right. You should do it the way it works for me. This is ridiculous. This is- You want to get in this territory again? We could go on for days about this. That's pissing me off, I guess, because I see someone actually their labs improve and their lives improve and someone's turning that into something negative. Well, what's happened is this all started in politics, right? I think this year, this last year we just had, people want people to view the world the way they view it and they

want people to follow the rules they follow and do things they do. And if you don't, then we've created this us versus them society. But it's now gotten so crazy that we've crossed over to people's health and wellness and lifestyle choices and dating choices because people feel entitled to tell other people how they should live. Where Lauren and I have gotten hot water this entire past year is we've said, fuck you. We don't care. Don't tell us how to live. Like we're going to do what works for us.

We're not telling you what to do. But I think this is a perfect example of somebody comes out. They say something that's working for them. They like their personal opinion and people attack them because it doesn't align with how they live their lives. It's a big problem in society because I don't care how anyone else lives. As long as it's not affecting and bothering me, like do your thing. But it's entitlement. For the first time where people are entitled to tell other people how to live and it's not good. Right. And social media makes it so easy.

You just click a button. But anyways, yeah. So she's feeling great and her labs are looking great and her life's improving. Other celebrities that have been public, Elle MacPherson is a sweet human being and so kind. I mean, we've done things together as well clinically and health-wise. And she's amazing health-wise anyways. It's just a matter of me being there from a functional medicine perspective for her and supporting her. I'm sure there's other celebrities. I just can't think of who. And you think it's very, very important to do the blood. You have

to do the blood work to see what the context is. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that's a good benchmark. In lieu of labs, not everybody has access to it or even wants to do that at this point in their life. That's why I put in the book this quiz that I adapted from questions that I ask patients. So it's not in replacement of a lab, but it's just a sub-diagnostic way to give you a pointer on like, okay, how am I doing? And the higher the score is, probably your labs are not going to look so good. So it's the metabolic flexibility quiz and they can retest it as they improve. But labs are a good objective data. Yeah. What's an example of one of the questions on the quiz? Like, give us an example. Yeah. I mean, do you crave, do you have to eat? Here's a good one. Do you have to eat every

couple of hours? And if not, you get hangry and like basically bite someone's head off. And then when you eat food, do you feel fatigued and lethargic afterwards? Do you feel like you think about food more than you should, like the next meal, the next snack, and it's just this constant, your whole life dictated by the next meal and next snack? Those are some hallmark signs that you could have metabolic inflexibility, some sort of insulin resistance, some sort of chronic inflammatory problem. I would say no to both those questions, which is good, right? That's good. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I have to do the reverse of that though, where like sometimes you forget to eat or you don't eat enough. My husband has absolutely no attachment to food. I've never seen anything like it. I get it. Yeah.

Well, we've talked, I get in the zone and I'll sometimes, it's not that I forget. I just will like be so in the zone. And when he starts being a dick, I look at him and I go, have you eaten? I will get hangry, but I sometimes feel like I stretch it too far. Yeah. And then I crash and I stuff my face with whatever. Like what have you eaten today? Be honest.

Don't lie. You can't even see his face. This morning, I haven't eaten yet. I had, no, I had a, what did I have? I had tea this morning. No, that's not true. I had eggs this morning. I had eggs and coffee and toast. You had a couple of my Starbursts too. No, I didn't have any. I didn't have any Starbursts today. No, but see, that's not true. I had eggs this morning. I had eggs and coffee and toast.

You had a couple of my Starbursts too. I didn't have any Starbursts today. No, but see, that's my problem. Did you wash your plate after you ate the eggs? Yeah, of course. You did? Yeah, I always do. You don't. Don't worry about that. But no, I'll stretch it far. And then what will happen today, since we're so in the zone working, I'll get out of the studio and I'll go have a big meal that's probably too much and too gluttonous. And that like that. So that's my issues.

I eat like all like go too hard after waiting too long. Does everyone do this to you at parties and tell them, tell you their whole fucking life story and like what their blood work is and pull up their labs and ask you to diagnose them?

It happens. Yeah. I like it. This is the price to pay, dude. Yeah, that's why I'm here. It makes me happy. I like helping people and it's good stuff.

So far today. Hold on. What's my answer though? If I stretch it too far, that's like. You's why I'm here. It makes me happy. I like helping people and it's good stuff. So far today. Hold on. What's my answer though? If I stretch it too far, that's like- You don't want to. You want to be, because you're busy and like your mind's racing. You're probably not thinking about food and you're just so focused on what you're doing. So that's big checking in with your body too.

You probably are not checking in with your body enough and you need to be eating more and not going so long because that's not good. I need to eat more. I know that. Because stress will do that to people too. It's like they're busy and they're stressed out about something and they just need to like work on their stress and be more in tune with their bodies. Yeah. I collect stress like it's my job. I would love for you to analyze what I've eaten so far today. Okay. So I woke up, had tons of water. I didn't have anything in my system until 1030 when I ordered a, I'm going to get really detailed. Okay. A de-seeded cucumber juice because I heard the

seeds are not the best for you. And then I ordered celery in it, lemon, ginger, and turmeric. Drank that whole entire thing. Okay. Had more water. Then I had an unsweetened almond milk latte with raw almond milk and cinnamon. Then I had two eggs and a piece of bread seriously, which is gluten-free toast because I'm off gluten a little bit. I feel like it doesn't make me feel good with a tiny bit of grass-fed butter. And now I'm having some bell pepper with the hot sauce, the yellowbird hot sauce and two tangerines. But I think you're going to tell me there's not enough protein here, but I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, that sounds amazing. And I think, I don't know if you, side note, you could have a podcast just you saying what you ate all day long. That was so

relaxing to hear you give you all your meals. But last night I had three margaritas. Yeah, so all that sounds great. Yeah, obviously fats and protein with your snack, but that's a snack. Do you feel good eating those foods? Yeah, I feel good eating the foods, but I just wish that I could kick this last 10 pounds. Yeah, so it may be eating too late. Yeah. I mean,

this is just based on what I know, right? I'll look at labs and we'll get a bit deeper. But based on what I know now, eating late and alcohol may not be the best thing. I'm doing a month, no alcohol starting Sunday. Michael's doing it with me. So that should help the inflammation, I think. Yeah. It's alcohol. Like the problem with alcohol is it's like oh you want to celebrate something you go out and you drink oh like you had a bad day like i could use a glass of wine and and then oh there's like an event like whatever it is there's always like something to have around i try to do like three days off at a time, have it, three days off at a time, have it. But sometimes it's hard. Yeah. And I think another point too, how old's the baby?

One. Yeah. So your life, your body's gone through a lot and it's only been a year. So it may be just being okay with where you're at now. You're eating healthy, taking care of yourself, and it will gradually move in the right direction doing what you're doing. But my job is to say, can we speed it up a little bit? Can we kind of enhance this and optimize it? I want to ask you a broad question. So this, obviously this last year we've had has been interesting with the pandemic and everything. You have a lot of patients. Is there something that you're seeing in common with all your patients that like, or issues that you've noticed this last year, you know, with our diets changing, isolated, obviously COVID going like, and that you're helping them get through or deal with that. Maybe other people are dealing with

and are unaware that this is even going on. Yeah. I have seen some interesting phenomenons. One is most of my patients have some sort of autoimmune issue. That's new or like within the last year or that's been there? No. Like they've, yeah, they've always had autoimmune conditions. So maybe this isn't directly answering your question, but I've found this sort of interesting phenomenon amongst people with autoimmunity is that most of them are really doing well, like surprisingly well during this time

because they've been forced to live like a pandemic, even when there's not a pandemic. When you feel lousy, you can't go and do the things that your friends do. You're kind of socially isolated in many ways. And they, surprisingly, I'm also seeing them, even if they get COVID, they're not having extreme symptoms either. They have fatigue.

They have, but they're not, you would think they have immune problems. They could potentially have issues, but I haven't seen that. That doesn't mean there's not exceptions to that rule, but most of my patients have been fine and bounced back. But the more of the long hauler issues, is that what you're asking about people that- Yeah, just like, I mean, because you've done this for so long, but this has obviously been a unique year. And if there's anything that stood out to you, like, oh, this is an issue that's popped up this year and maybe people don't even realize they're dealing with it,

or like maybe the labs come back. Maybe being sedentary, like they're more sedentary because they're at home. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it's really cool to see this, actually. I see a lot of people that slow down a little bit and actually prioritize their health because they're like, dang, I don't have anything to distract me now. It's gotten better. Yeah. That's actually got better. I know that's not always happening.

You hear the articles and see people are like, man, I let myself go. But even those people, it's typically short-lived and they're like, this is done. I'm like moving on from this season of my life now. And I want to get healthy again. I actually, I know I'm talking to people who actually want to get healthy. So I know I'm not the best, like across the board, everybody, but at least there's a big surge of people I've seen since March that are like, I've been putting this off and I don't want to put it off anymore. And now I have the time to wrap my mind around it. Yeah. Well, that makes sense. I mean, obviously people go to you when they're ready to start getting it together and getting healthy.

Yeah. It's cool to see. Yeah. It is really cool. I think that for us, this caused us to slow down, think about what we really want our life to look like and what's important and things like nature and things that maybe wouldn't have happened had there not been a pandemic. We got to step back and look at it. So I would like to know what I should be feeding my one-year-old. I'm just letting her experiment with everything because I don't want to restrict anything from her. But are there some really core foods that I should be giving her every day for brain development and all that? Yeah. I think healthy fats are the best way to do it. And you just, depending on their age,

you can cut it up or mash it up. And so avocados, olives, wild caught fish. If you're making anything, you can drizzle like polyphenol rich olive oil on it and introduce them to things. There's a company out there. I have no affiliation with them. I think it's called Serenity Farms. Serenity Kids. Serenity Kids. Yeah, we love it. They're super sweet people. And they send me stuff because I have a niece that my kids are older now, 14 and 11. But I have some babies, nieces and nephews. So they send, they're a great company. Yeah. Yeah. Serenity Kids is amazing. If you guys have not checked them out, they have the best packets that I've ever seen. Their ingredients are crazy. They have like bone broth and bison and like all really great they just sent me puffs

recently too i've i mean i haven't tried any of these but people love them we got to get the puffs for her yeah yeah the puffs i think we should disclaim that we are partnered with them okay there you go they're great yeah they're a great company yeah i wanted to ask you, so if Michael's making Zaza eggs and he just drips olive oil in there, that's better than butter, you think? Or is it both good? You can do grass-fed butter. That's fine. Or you can do ghee, clarified butter, which is a higher smoking point and there's no casein in it.

We have ghee. I've been cooking her eggs because I do it quick with avocado oil. Oh, that's good. Look at you. Give her extra. I cook much better for her than for myself. Yeah. When's the last time you cooked me eggs? That's a really common parent thing. It's like, yeah, I can do this for my kids, but what about me? But yeah, that's great. I mean, eggs are great. Yolks have choline in it, which is a precursor for acetylcholine, healthy omega fats, B vitamins. I mean, really good stuff.

Have you always been this interested in wellness? Are you just, has it always been something that you're drawn to? It was. It's for early age. And then I spent a couple of years going towards Nutter Butters. Do you remember those Nutter Butters and Nutty Buddies? Yeah. I like had a few years where I went on like a binger of like Nutter Butters and Peanut Butters by weakness. Peanut Butters by weakness. Oh, I love a Nutter Butter. Do you rememberters and peanut butters by week peanut butters my weakness oh i love another but do you remember the chocolate cookies right yes the peanut shaped ones but then do you remember the chocolate ones that are like the logs and you oh yeah those are

dangerous like way first and chocolate so good taylor's ordering them on ebay right now they look like penises but you eat them and they're like that like the most delicious like peanut butter it's like creamy i'm mad you just told me about another man that if i had to think in my mind like that was the thing i love red pack yes red pack and then like i think the chocolate log wafer peanut butter was like little debbie maybe i don't remember but like that company thank you for confirming you know what else it was the circular ones right or you or no you're talking about snack wells with the road the rolled ones no they were like logs chocolate wait for a while taylor's like i have them right here hold on let me grab them i've been eating a lot of seize candy i love

seize candy oh for valentine's day they did it's it's basically like a For Valentine's Day, it's basically like a Reese's Pieces, but it's peanut butter and dark chocolate and a heart on the side. Since everyone ran around the table and said what they ate today, Taylor, I would love to know sincerely what you ate. Tell Dr. Will so he can dissect it. Okay, so this is what I had.

A bag of regular flavored Doritos and then a bag of cool ranch Doritos. Oh, wow. That's it. And then you just had Starburst. Yeah, and then Starburst. And you're for sure one of those people that like gets the residue of the Doritos underneath your fingernails and you're sitting there licking them off.

So you're getting every single little. You gotta savor the flavor. Taylor, you are such a fucking liability for me. Can you tell us what you ate yesterday? Because I'm sure it was worse. What did I eat yesterday? Yesterday, I had Mexican food. Okay.

And then I had crackers and cheese. Okay, so Dr. Will, what's... Dr. Will's face is not happy with that response. What's a little tweak that Taylor can make since he eats so much? There's no tweak. It's not a tweak. Maybe you could tell him, like, drink a green juice in the morning. Like, is there something little that he can do?

Cause he's not going to overhaul his whole diet. Are you drinking water, Taylor? Occasionally. He hates water. He doesn't like water. Do you really not? I drink it occasionally. I'm at a glass or two a day.

I would say start with drinking water. And that would be the first step. Hydrate a little bit, man. At least flush it out faster. Yeah. That's, that's, that's powerful. I'm an outlier. How's your bowel movement? Fresh. It has Doritos residue on it. Dr. Will, if you could give our audience one little piece of

advice that's in your book that was really, really life-changing, what would it be? See, all of this stuff that I'm talking about, food, eating in a specific way, fasting, the way that I think people should use these tools is a form of self-respect. This isn't like to punish yourself. If it doesn't resonate with you, you feel great, move on, keep doing what you're doing. The point is there is a sea of people that don't feel great in what they're doing. So what I'm saying is you have to do something different to see something different. And I get to see on an hourly basis, people reclaim their health and having they're in control of food instead of food in control of them. That's what I want them.

So I talk about in the book, I call it food peace. Having this sort of inner stillness of saying, I eat when this food makes me feel great. I want to do more of what makes me feel great. I want to do more of what makes me feel great. And it's not about all the things you can't have and being super restrictive. It's about, no, I like feeling better more than I miss this food that makes me feel like crap. That's what I want people to have. So that's the message of the book. It's having agency over your health and you can't heal a body you hate. You cannot obsess your way into health. This is not obsessive. This is just a measured approach. But look, in a world when we live in a society where healthy foods and

intermittent fasting is radical or quote unquote dangerous, I mean, it makes complete sense because we're actually feeding our own health problems in our society. So of course that would be radical. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, I think the one thing people need to do before they jump to conclusion, they need to listen, read, like, if they don't listen to this, they need to read your book or see what, because I think there's what people are saying you're saying and what you're actually saying. And those are, to me, those are two worlds apart. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, even you talk about the spinning and stuff, and I don't want to go back on the tangent here, but real fast, it's interesting to see where Gwyneth said in the article on Goop, she said she's going off of alcohol for a little bit. So she was using these seed lip. Have you tried seed lip before? You would like them. They're basically alcohol

free, like carbonated spritzer things. I've never had them, but they're alcohol free and they have these herbal-y flavors. And she was just saying, I wasn't having alcohol, so I was going for seed lip as an alternative. The Daily Mail and the BBC and all these that said, she's saying she's having seed lip to help her post-COVID symptoms. Like they spin anything and make it to be like, she's saying this will help your post-COVID symptoms. It's ridiculous. The unlock is to just not give a fuck what anyone thinks. I know. I'm sorry for keep bringing this up. No, I'm hitting me.

No, but I'm telling you just the unlock is just don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. I've told Michael this a long time ago. I've been putting myself out there for the last 11 years every single day. I've heard every single comment from go kill yourself. You're a bad mother. You're ugly. You're this like it's it's everyone's going to have an opinion. The unlock is to just not fucking care about anyone. Thanks. The coyotes howl and the caravan keeps moving. Yeah. Yeah. Can I say one more done to change the subject here, but talk about like it's a treat

that I love. Yes. But it's like the new age of how I eat. Like I wouldn't go to have like the gluten containing Nutter Butters. But my alternative, like we kept saying, like I'd rather someone be pragmatic and go for something that's better quality ingredients

and versus going off on something that's can be completely sabotaging how I like to feel is Goody Girl cookies. Again, no affiliation, but they're freaking amazing. These gluten free birthday cake cookies. Have you ever tried those before?ation, but they're freaking amazing. These gluten-free birthday cake cookies. Have you ever tried those before?

No, but they sound good. They are amazing. Birthday cake cookies. Those sound really good. Yeah. Taylor, maybe you're a nice girl. That's what it is. Taylor, you could go for a Goody Girl Cookie instead.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Where can everyone find your book? Pimp yourself out. Tell us all about it. Thank you. So they have to listen to my podcast with your media, The Art of Being Well. And everything's at drwillcole.com.

They can go on Barnes & Noble, Amazon, independent bookstores to get intuitive fasting. Thanks, guys. Yeah, we'll link everything out. And thanks for coming. At Dr. Will Cole, D-R Will Cole. You are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much for taking the time and coming on. Come back anytime you want. Thanks, friends. Thank you. If you liked this episode, be sure you listen to episode 228.

That is with Dr. Will Cole also. And he talks about eliminating inflammation, functional medicine, and healthcare. It's a very interesting episode. You have to check it out. And then don't forget to enter the giveaway. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this podcast on my latest Instagram at the skinny confidential, and someone will be picked to win his new book. Cheers.