The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Everything To Know About Healing Acne & Skin Ft. The Founders Of CLEARSTEM - Danielle Gronich & Kayleigh Christina

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

#456: On today's episode we are joined by the founders of CLEARSTEM, Danielle Gronich & Kayleigh Christina. The duo joins the show to discuss everything we need to know about healing and combating acne. We also discuss how what we think might be helping could actually be hurting the process and things we can do to change our skin for the better.  This episode is brought to you CLEARSTEM To learn more about CLEARSTEM and receive 20% of your first purchase visit www.clearstemskincare.com and use code SKINNY at checkout.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) Produced by Dear Media   

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And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. There's a lot of people that come to us that are just so frustrated and debilitated with their health. They need help, they're feeling bloated, they're feeling tired, they're struggling with acne, and they don't know what to do. And when we hear people's life story and are just able to give them three simple changes, they DM us or reach back out a few weeks later saying how much their life was changed,

their skin cleared up, they're sleeping better, their bloating went down. That's what does it. The first thing you put in your body, whether or not you do intermittent fasting or have breakfast or whatever, the first thing you put in your body needs to be protein. A lot of people are making things that they think are healthy, like a smoothie. And a smoothie can be healthy or it can be like liquid candy, right? Like if you're putting, it's just like water, some almond milk, and a bunch of fruit that might have nutrients and some fiber and things, but it's also just a straight shot of sugar. And it's the first thing that you're putting in your system that's going to cause an insulin spike, set the inflammation cascade, and you're going to be

chasing that sugar all day. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. Today, this episode is about acne. Not only acne, we're talking about skin, we're talking about skincare, resources, all the things, but we really zoned in on acne. And I learned so much in this episode. It was fucking wild. We're interviewing the founders of ClearStem, Danielle and Kaylee. They are so cute entrepreneurs and they know all the things about acne. The craziest part of this is that I posted Instagram stories like behind the scenes, like I always do. And I posted this episode and this got the most shares.

I could not believe how many shares that this got. And I think it's because a lot of people are struggling with acne and they don't know where to start. And so they heard these little snippets from this episode. And just from the 15 second snippets, they picked up tips and tricks to help with acne. Why I also think that this brand ClearStem is so amazing is because Kaylee was really a practitioner of acne. She struggled with cystic acne in her mid-20s, and she tried everything to find a cure. And then she met Danielle, and Danielle is known as the acne guru. And she

really helped Kaylee throughout the entire process of healing her acne. And I have to tell you, I saw Kaylee in person. Obviously, we interviewed her. Her skin is clear. It's bright. It's radiant. So it's really cool how this brand started. It's very entrepreneurial. And I have a lot of respect for what they've built. And they know their fucking shit when it comes to acne. I wish I had interviewed them. Forget the fuck out of the sun. On that note, they're going to be giving you guys a code. You can use code skinny for 20% off your first purchase. Okay. Code skinny for 20% off. Now, if I were to pick something from

their site, I would pick the sunny side. It's a brush on mineral sunscreen. It's SPF 50, but I also don't struggle with acne. So here this episode first, if you struggle with acne, but I would check out that sunscreen. It's pretty legit. You can use code skinny. Like I said, for 20% off on that note, let's meet the founders of ClearStem. First up, we have Danielle. She's known as the acne guru. She is the formulator and CEO of ClearStem Skincare. It's a non-toxic skincare line that uses premium ingredients to correct acne. And then we have her co-founder, Kaylee. She is a holistic nutritionist and her health issues started when she was very young, her mid-20s. Like I said, she had acne. She's been to everyone and anything. No one could figure out what was going wrong.

So she took matters into her own hands with Danielle. This episode is super informative. Let's meet Danielle and Kaylee. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I think I'll just kick it off to let you guys manipulate my husband into getting a brightening eye serum. Well, I don't need much manipulation because you basically told me on the way over here that I just look absolutely terrible. I had a little intervention in the car. This podcast is really fitting today because he FaceTimed me from upstairs and you looked like a ghoul. Well, FaceTime is terrible though. It is terrible. What the hell?

Can we get a filter? It makes me feel like shit about myself. Yeah, it really actually is really fucked up. I'll look in the mirror and then look at a picture on my phone. I'm like, where did those wrinkles come from? Those don't exist when I look in the mirror. Yeah, for everybody listening that's seen me,

I actually look fucking incredible. And if you see a picture of me, it's the camera's fault. I swear I look so damn good in person. But this is just a side note. The reason that I like the Snapchat camera so much better than the regular camera is because the Snapchat camera shows you how your face looks in the mirror. And we are more attracted, everyone is, human nature to the way we look in the mirror. It's like a study. You can Google it. I'm not making this up. So when you're FaceTiming, you're not getting that

Snapchat mirror look. You're getting the other look, which is the camera look. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense. And your camera is it doesn't capture you in like 3D. So like if you have like like lots of angles like I do, like I have a really strong chin and like strong jaw. Like if it doesn't give you like any 3D perspective, like I do, like I have a really strong chin and like strong jaw. Like if it doesn't give you like any 3D perspective, all you see is like the worst angle of yourself and you're like,

fuck my life. I'm going to move this closer. You have to get right in there like you're, yeah, like you're, yeah, get in there.

My lips are touching it. Isn't this what you want? That's a little close. Taylor might pop a boner. You know what? They fucked up this table in here because there's another one that's,

we just moved into this. We just opened this office. You guys are like some of the newer ones in the studio. Love it. And it's supposed to extend all the way to here. But because of that... So basically... We don't need your whole life story.

Okay. So we don't need to know about the table. Okay. So what product would you recommend just while I have you to manipulate Michael? I'm going to go with the eye brightening serum to Michael with these under eye bags. A thousand percent bright eyes. Like the name says it all. So dark circles. I don't know if I like that you just said a thousand percent. I'm feeling even more insecure. No, a thousand percent enhances your already great

looks. I'm just kidding. I need a lot of help guys. A lot. Okay. So you would recommend the eye brightening serum. Yeah. I mean, everyone needs an eye. Everyone needs an eye product for sure. And everyone's got different concerns around their eyes, whether it's like fine lines, dark circles, puffiness. But when you are master formulators, like we are, you can create a product that tackles all of them. So this one is specifically to help people get rid of dark circles and prevent fine lines because the ingredients in it are just like super targeted for that. And we put a lot of concentration in them. So it gives you instant results because of like the caffeine. It just kind of like stimulate circulation and just like gives you that like lifted kind of awake look,

but then it also is actually fixing things. So you'll notice a difference in like four or five days. I love caffeine and skincare products. It's amazing. Yeah, it is amazing. I want to go back before you guys were doing what you were doing. And I want to talk about your experience with acne. And maybe you each can talk about, I know you each have had an experience with it when you first noticed something, even if it was like when you were, you know, 10 years old, what, what did that look like? I didn't get horrible, horrible acne until college because I was such a tomboy growing up and I played competitive soccer. So I was like working out and sweating the whole time and never wore makeup or anything and just never really did anything. And when

you're sweating that much, um, you can kind of like your skin's like detoxed if you will. But then I got to college, stopped playing sports, started drinking alcohol, got on some shitty birth control that was the wrong kind of birth control for acne. Then started wearing a bunch of makeup, eating horrible dorm food, and it was just the perfect storm. So my acne came like a freight train right when I was like 18 and just got to college. Everyone talks about acne and how you look in the mirror and how it's really hard and all these things. But what does it do internally? Meaning, does it make you feel insecure when you're talking to someone like this? Really explain.

Acne is not something I have struggled with. I've struggled with other things like hyperpigmentation. That's a different story. But what does acne do to your social life? Oh, it can really devastate your social life and your psyche. So nature's way of rewarding you for hygiene is to stimulate dopamine. So like think of like monkeys when they're cleaning each other, like the high that you get when you clean your house,

like nature's biological way of rewarding us for hygiene is to make you feel good about yourself and release dopamine. But when you're actually doing those things like washing your face and tending to your skin and all you see is acne, the reverse effect happens. So it can be really devastating psychologically. I got to a point where I didn't want to leave my house. Like I dealt with acne on and off as a teenager, just like your typical teenager acne.

I got proactive. It dried the crap out of my face. I went to the dermatologist. They gave me like a heavy cream that just made it red and peeling. And it was awful. But I got rid of my acne for a few years on and off in college, but nothing crazy. And then when I hit 24 years old, my skin broke out everywhere in bright red cystic acne. Like out of no, I had never dealt with cystic acne in my life. Only like occasional pimples here and there. It was so bad that there was months I didn't want to leave my house. I was packing on. I ordered like the theater makeup that the Miss America pageant girls use. It's like clay. It's like literally putting clay on your face just to try to cover

it up because it was bright red. It was thick. It was bumpy. And like that's the only time I would leave the house. Luckily, I had a job at the time where I was working from home. And so there's a period of three months where I didn't see like any friends go to any social events because I felt so embarrassed because my background's in nutrition too. And I was like, what's wrong with me that I can't get control of my health? What is going on internally? Because I couldn't get to the root cause. And I almost went on Accutane. Like it got so bad, but I'd researched Accutane. I knew how bad it was for your liver, for your hormones, for your mental health. You have to like sign

all the waivers saying it's connected to depression and increased anxiety. I was in the process because you have to like get pregnancy tests before you get it done because it causes birth defects. And so I took the first pregnancy test and I had to take another one like 30 days later. And during that 30 days, I'm like, there has to be another solution. Like there has to be a root cause to this. Something is wrong with me. Something's going on in my body. And one last Google search is when I found Danielle's Clinic,

San Diego Acne Clinic. And that's where we cleared my skin in two months with no scarring, nothing. No redness, no pigmentation, no scar damage, anything. Do you guys think that the reason that you've been able to be such a practitioner with acne is because you had the acne? Yeah, because everyone that works for us at ClearStem has dealt with acne before because

it's so important to us. We connect with our community a lot in the DMs, over email. That's how we've built our company is by connecting with the consumer so much. And when people tell their life story, their acne life story, and they're like, I didn't leave my house for years. I was so embarrassed. I would cancel job interviews. I would cancel events. I would cancel dates because of it. Us, both Danielle and I and our team can empathize and we can be there for the community and then help find them a root cause because Danielle and I each had our own healing journey of finding that root cause of acne, like what was causing it. It wasn't just one thing. I had like 12 different root causes going on, but it allows us to help other empathize with other people and help them find the root cause. And we've built an entire pro like an

education section of our website of how to heal acne internally and externally outside of just products. So we can truly help people heal their skin, not just use a bandaid approach. I'm going to ask you maybe a stupid question, but I'm just thinking about it. Do men typically get acne earlier than women? And I'm assuming that obviously hormones is some kind of- Taylor has acne by his penis.

The reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking back, as you mentioned, like Accutane and Proactiv. And I remember being like 12, 13, myself having like acne and using those. It was like the green bottle, right? With the white. Yeah. And then like a lot of my friends did, but this was early. I mean, by the time we all got to college, the majority, at least of men in my life, we weren't like, I don't think we're dealing with acne. So I'm just wondering. Yeah. So women tend to get it more often. Men tend to get it worse. So women will generally get, we tend to get it around the same age. Boys will start to get it a little bit sooner from what I've noticed in my clinical practice, because the testosterone that teenage boys have as they start to enter puberty,

testosterone is the main hormone that will cause an acne flare up. It's what makes you produce more oil. It's what makes you, your sweats a little bit stickier. So males just generally have more of that. So that will start with males. And depending on how acne prone you are, which is genetic, it can start at like age 10. So it'll start with boys a little bit sooner. But then as soon as girls start getting their period between the ages of like 11 and 13, that's when it kind of starts for them. Now, depending on how much sugar that kid is having, it'll be better or worse or start a lot sooner.

But yeah, so men tend to get it worse and they can get more like really aggressive body acne again because of the testosterone. But women tend to get it for longer. Like women will break out well into their 40s. And a lot of it has to do with the stuff we're putting on our skin. Like every time you put a lotion on or a makeup or anything that has a pore clogging agent, that's a chance to start the acne cycle. Men use fewer products, so they're way less likely to deal with that ongoing cycle. That makes total sense. So when you guys were young, you didn't know each other. You met when you were struggling with acne. Is that how you found her? Yeah. Luckily, Danielle had been running ads on San Diego Acne Clinic because she wasn't- No, I didn't run any ads. There was something that popped up because she wasn't popping up

on my first Google searches. And then all of a sudden, like SEO was kicked in. Yes. And she popped up on my Google search. I'm like, all right, this is my last resort. I'll try this before I do Accutane. And I go in and I just so happen to be her last client of the day. So she had a lot of time to spend with me. We spent like three hours together. She had me bring in every hair product, makeup product and skincare product I was using and and supplements that I was using. So there's a lot of supplements that are even really healthy, but in excess trigger acne. And so I learned all about pore clogging ingredients, even the healthy ones like coconut oil, algae, shea butter. I learned about the excess supplements

that I was taking that were triggering my acne, the makeup I was using, the oils I was using on my skin because there's acne safe oils and non acne safe oils. And so I just, I learned there was 12 different triggers going on. She has a treatment on my skin. I follow the exact protocol and my skin was literally clear in two months. And this was after going to every doctor, dermatologist, multiple estheticians, every doctor was like, go on Accutane, go on birth control, go on antibiotics. That's the only answers I was given. I wasn't asked about diet, stress levels, sleep, supplements, skincare products, gut health. That is crazy. Any of that. No one said here's a probiotic.

No, no. And they still don't say that today. Most of them don't. Do you want to see the before and after of Kaylee's skin? Wow. And can we post this so the audience can see this? Absolutely. It's on our website too. But like this was literally in less than two months and then the scar damage was gone too. Like even if you were to start Accutane, you can't do it that quickly. Accutane makes it way worse for like three months and then it's all these side effects. Can you go on a tangent on Accutane? Yeah, I want to know. Oh, I can go on a rant.

Yeah, let's go on a rant. This episode will run long. Just because I think a lot of people like that's a solution that's presented to many people. That is the only solution. Let's discuss Accutane. I had to do it three times and my acne still came back. Hold on. What is Accutane? Accutane is a gnarly synthetic version of vitamin A that is, it's like a, like a genetic mutation of vitamin A that they made water soluble. Normally vitamin A is fat soluble. So it has to be converted in your body. It has to go through a couple of processes before it actually like becomes active or bioavailable, if you will.

But they made Accutane like a super mega dose of vitamin A that's water soluble. So it hits you really, really, really intensely. The goal of it is to make your skin shed so much that the skin cells that are kind of contributing to the clogged pores are just basically being purged so quickly that they can't clog you up anymore. It also affects hormones. That's why it creates a lot of depression in teenage boys. It creates a lot of depression in a lot of people that use it, but it really affects teenage boys because it's also acting on the male hormones. Because again, testosterone and androgens are generally the hormones that trigger the most acne. So it's basically taking the batteries out of all the fire alarms and hoping to change your skin in such a strong way that you don't get acne anymore. That's how it's positioned a lot of

the time. But for most people, the acne totally comes back and they have a ton of side effects. And the root cause, especially if the root cause has to do with gut or digestion, Accutane makes it worse. And a lot of people have issues with their liver, their liver, you know, detoxifies your body. It helps to quarterback the detoxification of hormones and the conversions of estrogens and all these things. And most people ignore the liver until there's something very, very wrong. So if that's contributing to your acne, Accutane will make that worse. So that's what happens to a lot of us. We do Accutane, our acne comes back and the root cause is worse. Wow. If you're a mom or you have a hypoglycemic partner, I am here to help you out.

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They're giving our listeners an insane discount. Use code skinny for 25% off your order at that'sitfruit.com. You touched on something earlier saying that and basically pointed to things that people think are healthy that may be causing this. I think maybe can you elaborate or go into detail there? Because there's a lot of people, I think, listening to this that probably are doing some of these healthy practices that don't realize that they could be contributing to. This is my favorite thing to talk about because I live in the health and wellness world. It's a huge passion of mine, but the devil's

always in the dosage of things. So as far as supplements, B12, vitamin D, zinc, all trigger acne in excess. So B12 stimulates testosterone. A good rule of thumb is anything that speeds you up, breaks you out. Caffeine, B12 are one of them. And B12, you could drink a Celsius that has, gosh, 30,000 of your RDV of B12.

You could be taking a multivitamin that also has it in it. You could be taking a nootropic supplement that also has it in it. You could be drinking just another juice or soda that has it added because everyone just adds B12 to anything. So you could be taking close to like 80,000% of your recommended daily value of B12. That's going to stimulate testosterone. You're going to break out around your goatee area. So I guess the granular tip there is you got to look

at the dosage of the B12. The dosage, yep. Absolutely. Zinc and vitamin D, amazing, so healthy. Both of those, also in excess, are going to trigger acne. Vitamin D is something that's prescribed to men as they get older for low T. It's like wildly known in the science world

that vitamin D stimulates testosterone. For women, we don't want to stimulate excess testosterone unless a doctor says differently, but we don't want to stimulate testosterone. That's going to cause an imbalance of our estrogen and progesterone also causing us to break out. So with a lot of different supplement protocols that people are given for their immune system, they're getting really vitamin D happy and they're thinking more is better when in reality, vitamin D is great, but just taking a hundred to 200% of your recommended daily value is fine. People are taking five, 600,000, 2000. The same goes for zinc. Yeah, exactly. Same goes for zinc. They're like popping it like candy

because it's like the more, the better, the more, the better. My immune system is going to be strong. But again, your body can only process so much. Vitamin D is fat soluble. It gets stuck in your body. So most people don't even need to take a vitamin D supplement every day because it stays in your system for a few days. So we're just overdoing it with these healthy supplements and healthy products. And our body's getting way too overwhelmed and it's causing a hormonal imbalance. So people might be breaking out being like, oh, my hormones are imbalanced, but not know there is a root cause of that hormonal imbalance. And it could be as simple as changing out your multivitamin or reducing your intake of vitamin D, zinc, B12, biotins, another huge one that breaks people out too. I also think that people should be suspicious about what is in the gel capsule around the

vitamin. I don't think that that's talked about enough. Sure, the vitamin might be so pure inside and it might be fucking amazing, but the outside of it, that coating, there is so many... I think that's why you got to look for a good...

Like the one that says good GMP, good manufacturing practices, right? Like you got to have good supplements. Well, we know yours is good because your nails have never been longer. They're like acrylics.

But I think like if it's a good... I think that's less of it and more about making sure that the supplements that you're getting are what the manufacturers are saying they are. Yes, like they're bioavailable. Yeah, like we only buy supplements from certain brands

and we don't even bother going outside those brands because we know, yeah, good manufacturing process. We trust, they source, they test. Solar Race, a big one. So if someone has acne and they're struggling with pimples, that's the one that you would recommend. Yeah, SolarAce, a big one. So if someone has acne and they're

struggling with pimples, that's the one that you would recommend. Yeah. SolarAce, like a good overall brand that now foods is also insane too. They've been around for like 60 years, family owned. They're able to get lower prices because they've been around for so long and just know everyone in the industry. So they're another really trusted brand as well. And then there's some newer ones coming out that are just do an insane amount of testing and are just so passionate about making sure every part of that supplement is good for you. The outside coating, what's in it, the quality, fat soluble, water soluble, how it's like binded with other vitamins. Like there's some really good companies out there. Yeah. I really

like Symbiotica because it's liposomal. Yeahosomal. Yeah, liposomal. Yeah, I like that. I like how when I wake up in the morning, I squirt my B12 in my mouth like a porn star. That's what you think when you take that? Yeah, you don't think that when you're squirting that in your mouth. I don't take it in the day. That's the last thing I think when I'm squirting it in my mouth. I feel like it's like little practices that make up to the big success.

So you should be happy. Every morning, I squirt my stuff in my mouth. I think you should let Michael squirt it in your mouth. You can squirt it in my mouth tonight. But another thing that I found, which is so crazy, you guys said something so smart. You said you have to look at what you're consuming as well. And one thing that I've seen so many health practitioners push on Instagram

is powdered peanut butter. Ew. Do you know that I've seen so many health practitioners push on Instagram is powdered peanut butter. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's like PB and like the powdered peanut butter. We actually have it in our. If we have it, I haven't. Okay. So peanuts are not good for you. Okay. So peanut butter. Actually, I've heard from a lot of people in my DMs who have had acne is something that is a secret thing that really triggers. Oh, peanuts are like one of the only nuts that I even ask people about. They literally are androgenic. So they, they have an impact on your hormones where it raises the male hormones that cause acne. Also, it's a ton of omega-6, which we already have way too much of.

It's an inflammatory oil. There's like no omega three, no omega nine. I don't think. But anyway, way too much omega six in the peanuts and just the inflammation that comes from them. You can tell if it's going to break you out because if you're acne prone, things that you eat in your diet are going to get you within 24 to 48 hours. So you'll know. So what did you switch it out with almond butter instead? Almond butter is okay. Macadamia is the healthiest nut for sure I'm really happy about that

it's the healthiest nut macadamia nuts I threw a huge bag of those you did yeah because I get hungry what about what about a raw

Brazilian nut oh love a good raw Brazilian nut yeah those are good too there's some selenium every day I told you to do that

you can't do too much Brazil nuts though because it can affect your thyroid if you have have too many, I think for you go nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Your thyroid's perfect. So you can throw those nuts in your smoothie. So if we want to get a nut butter, the macadamia nut is the best, especially for acne. I think it's the best for everyone because it has no omega six. Okay. And we get so much of that just in like the, the, you know, shitty oils that they use. When you go out to a restaurant,

they're still using like canola oil or corn oil, stuff like that. So at your, in your home, when you're buying these things, you've got to make sure that you're eliminating

anything that has omega-6 because you're already getting way too much of it when you're outside your home. So from your perspective, if there was, let's look like the top three things that cause mass outbreaks of acne,

what like, I know there's a lot. I love that question. Your top three. Okay. The top three ones that cause mass outbreaks of acne? I know there's a lot. I love that question. Your top three. Okay, the top three ones in order of shock value, eggs, number one, eggs. Eggs. Eggs are a tricky-

That's devastating news. I know. But you, hold on. You don't have to worry about eggs. You eat eggs every day. You're not acne prone. She's talking about to acne prone. Yeah, but I'm thinking about the,

listen, I'm a very empathetic person, Lauren. I love everybody that listens to this show. I don't want them to not be able to eat eggs every day. You're not acne prone. She's talking about to acne prone. Yeah, but I'm thinking about the, listen, I'm a very empathetic person, Lauren. I love everybody that listens to this show. I don't want them to not be able to eat eggs, right? That's a, everyone loves eggs, right? You can have a flax egg. We do recommend cutting them out for a little bit and then bringing them back in every once in a while. So like that was my biggest,

one of my biggest acne triggers. I was making egg bowls every single morning. This is devastating news, guys. This might be some of the worst news we've ever gotten on the show. I'm so sorry. It's shocking too, because if you look at the nutrition label of an egg it looks great it has some some vitamins in

there and it looks like it's just pure protein and that's what the nutrition label shows you what it doesn't show you is the type of protein the albumin protein that makes up an egg is notoriously hard to digest proteins that don't get digested well clog up and inflame your lymphatic system so it creates my lymphatic system it's completely Dr. Daryl told me and I eat a shitload of eggs. This is hard to take. I'm changing your life right now. This news is hard to take. You do eat a lot of eggs. I just had four before we came here. Stop feeding Zaza eggs everyone. Okay. Your dark circles that you're a little concerned about that aren't that bad,

but that you're concerned about, they will probably improve once you cut out eggs because this right here, this area, your lymphatic inflammation will darken your eyes. This is almost on the level of somebody, like a family member passing away. Oh my God. Just cut them out for a little while. This is devastating news. Anyways, that would have been an extreme example. Michael's crying right now. I have so many clubs that I'm going to pull if you fuck with me. Hopefully everyone in my family is okay, but God, this is, okay. So that's number one. Yes. What's number two? If number... Okay. So that's number one. Yes. What's number two?

If number two is as close to number one, I might have to walk out of the studio. Okay. Don't cry any more than you already are. But dairy, dairy is... No, he doesn't care about dairy. So dairy... He doesn't like white things. Okay.

Dairy is loaded. And it's horrible for most of us for so many reasons. But sugar is an insulin response. It's insulinogenic. And it also is loaded with something called insulin-like growth factor hormone. It's literally messenger hormones from a big hairy mama cow to her baby cow. And we're eating that. That is just wrong. If you think about it from a biological perspective, right? Not only the lactose in it is inflammatory for a lot of people. Excuse me.

Almond milk. That is my curse. There we go. There's a million alternatives now. What are you doing rolling around it is inflammatory for a lot of people. Excuse me. Almond milk. That's what's up. It's in my purse. There we go. There's a million alternatives now. What are you doing rolling around with almond milk? She's thirsty. I have almond milk in my purse. Go on. I'm not.

I can't. I can't with milk. I'm going to pour some of that in my tea in a minute. Okay. So dairy. I mean, you shouldn't be having dairy past the age of like five or six anyway, but we drink it well into adulthood. And guys get this a lot because they want to bulk up. And the first thing guys do

is go get whey protein. I always find it very strange when adults pull out a giant glass of milk, right? It's weird, right? I find it very strange. It's weird. It's bizarre.

I think they have mommy issues. They do. No, that's been proven. Yeah, it hasn't been proven, but I agree with you. It's strange. It's strange. Whey protein will get a lot of people

because it's mixed into shit that you would never normally think. You think you're getting a protein bar. Great. Protein's fabulous. It's strange. Whey protein will get a lot of people because it's mixed into shit that you would never normally think. You think you're getting a protein bar. Great. Protein's fabulous. It says it has nuts and berries and antioxidants. Boom. You think you scored. Flip it over and it's whey protein isolate. That's doing something to your hormones

that you didn't bargain for when you bought that thing. And when guys are trying to bulk up at the gym, they go get whey protein. And that's when you get gnarly bodybuilder back acne. And it just like, it just can be an eruption in your face. And you'll know because as soon as you stop, you'll see a reduction in inflammation within 48 hours.

So guys come and see you in your practice and you can almost instantly, if it's that type of build. Immediately. You know what's interesting? Just a little tangent before we get to three. There is a pasta that everyone knows the brand of that I'm not going to call out.

That's bunny pasta. You just called it out. I looked at the ingredients when I was feeding the baby at the other day because she loves it and there's whey in it. And let me tell you, Dr. Gundry came on this podcast. This is super interesting that you're talking about whey. And he said, if you want to age, eat whey. Yep.

And you are so right about whey being hidden in so many different foods. I think that is such a good tip for people struggling with acne is to really look if they're eating whey. Symbiotica is so legit. We had the founder, Cherven on. He broke down every single high quality bioavailable ingredient. It is the most advanced delivery system of supplements. When I am pregnant, because you guys are snapping me about it, I am taking three packets a day. I'm doing the vitamin C. It's liposomal. And then I'm doing the organic mushrooms. And I like to do those in the morning because they give me energy. And then I'm doing the magnesium packets. And every single time I pull these packets out, Zaza like pulls them out of my hand. She wants to try it. So I'll give her

a little tiny bit of the packet. I even put the organic mushrooms on her apples this morning because it's chocolate tastes like chocolate and she like loves it. So you definitely have to check out those three packets. Michael is such a fan of this line. He has like every single product. He won't shut the fuck up about it, but you should know they have D3 with K2 in it. Sheila Jeet, which is the liquid gold. They have adrenal super tonic. They have omegas, all the things, but these are biodynamic health supplements. And I just love how they come in little packets. They taste really good. They have minerals and everything is about your memory, your immunity,

anti-inflammatory, but all of their products are amazing antioxidants. And I'm telling you, they help improve your memory, immunity, inflammation, and energy. It was so cool to pick the founder's brain. He really is providing the top of the line supplements here. That's what I would get. Like I said, the vitamin C, the mushrooms, and the magnesium. That's the move. You can use code skinny at checkout for 15% off your purchase. That is code skinny at checkout for 15% off your purchase. That is code skinny at checkout for 15% off your purchase. This is in addition to custom bundle discounts. So people can get like 45% off. You can create your custom bundle at symbiotica.com to get 30% off.

That's C-Y-M-B-I-O-T-I-K-A.com. Yeah. Do not look at the front of the packaging where it says gluten-free, like all the different things. Turn it over. Look at the ingredient deck. This just happened to us in the airport. We were like starving and looking for a snack. And Danielle handed me something real quick while she was looking at something else. She's like, can you just check the ingredients on this real quick? And I looked at it. I'm like, threw it back at her. I was like, the first ingredients way. And it looked so, outside the packaging looked so healthy.

The marketing was amazing. What was this type of food? So we know. It was like a protein bar type thing. Like almond butter, chocolate protein bar thing. It looked so healthy. Like it, on the front, looked so healthy. Like we just tell people like,

you can market and make it something look as healthy as you want it to. You can flip over the ingredient deck. It can have 40 ingredients, 10 different types of sugar alternatives, starting with whey protein, whey protein isolate. It can have like 10 different versions of that. Google like what names are in whey.

If I had really bad acne, I think that that's exactly where I would start is really examining what I was eating with whey. I like that tip. What's three? Number three is going to be, you mentioned it, pasta gluten. Gluten is a huge thing that is destroying the health of so many people. It affects people's thyroids. They're just starting to find more research on that. It affects leak,

it creates and affects leaky gut syndrome. And it literally is the thing, the primary thing that breaks out. I would say based on my clinical practice, about 30% of people, once they cut out gluten, their skin is drastically improved. 30% of people, once they cut out gluten, their skin is drastically improved. Even if people think, quote, think that gluten isn't giving them any issues, they're like, oh, I feel fine. I can have a sandwich. It does the same thing to everyone in everyone's body. It goes into your, you digest it. It goes into your gut, into your intestines. It bores tiny little holes in your intestines to allow it to separate and permeate. And then it allows additional food to leak out into your bloodstream, which causes additional inflammation, which leads to other allergies. So you start to eat random foods like strawberries and feel bloated when

strawberries are so healthy. And you start to eat all these other healthy foods and start to get really sick, really bloated. But the core root cause is the gluten causing that permeability, that separation in the intestines. It allows food to get out in the bloodstream that's not supposed to be there. And that's immediate inflammation. Yeah. And you don't have to be celiac in order to have the inflammation. Non-celiac gluten inflammation is for sure a thing there. It's literally an anti-predation element of the wheat to stop predators from eating it. It's meant to upset stomachs as its survival mechanism. Let me ask you this. Say that there's somebody who's not as evolved as you three.

I include you, Lauren. I'm going to pick on myself. When it comes to figuring out how to get, because gluten is a huge part of everybody's life, right? You go to restaurants, grocery stores, it's everywhere, right? We don't have a lot of gluten in our house. You think the sourdough we have is gluten-free? But I'm saying in practice, I'm thinking about if I'm just running around.

When you go to mom and dad's, there's gluten. When you open, it's like the gluten heavens open the door. But I think that's a lot of people. And if I didn't have you, I'd probably just be eating a shitload more gluten. But my point is, if you just wanted to start not cutting it out completely, because I think that's hard, but starting to get on the path to limit it and have a substitute, where do people start? Can I just say my one tip? bread seriously has the best gluten-free sourdough and gluten-free raisin bread that is so good if you google the skinny confidential

sourdough it'll pop up and it's it's like homemade sourdough and it's totally worth ordering sure but that's what i was a little one no you guys give i want like a little tip it doesn't need to be a big tip it's just a little i think it does need to be a big tip. It's just a little tip. I think it does need to be a big tip because like when I hear, and I'm not as involved as you guys, cut gluten. I'm like, cool, bread, seriously. That's one thing for one piece of bread.

But I think- Lentil pasta. I was just going to say lentil is my favorite. Yeah. There's a lot of people that hear it and I think it just goes over the head. You're like, I'm not going to switch out 18 things. So give us all the little swap outs.

Yeah. So I mean, think about it. You're probably eating bread, pasta, maybe wraps. Cereal. I categorize wraps. Tortillas. Yeah. Some oats.

You have to check your oats. I'm trying to think what else would be. Those are like the big ones. And cereal. Cereal is a big one. So, going to the- What about tortillas? Yeah, tortillas.

So, like going back to the bread, there's some amazing alternatives now. I mean, the one that you mentioned, Lauren, barely bread's a really good one. So that one's pretty taken care of. So just swap out your bread. As far as pasta next, lentil pasta is phenomenal. Like I've cooked some amazing lentil pasta for friends that do not know the difference. There's just some little tricks to cooking it.

I've got a baby coming to your house. There's some tricks. Lauren, you have to undercook it and then rinse it really quickly in cold water. No, Lauren, you better start doing that because I had this the other day. I didn't taste it. quickly in cold water. You better start doing that because I had this other day. I didn't taste it. I had tolerant pasta.

Yeah, that's the brand. I maybe didn't cook it. It's a little hard. Yeah, it tasted like chalk. Mine's a little hard. You're going to have to tell me that tip again. I put it, I take it and I undercook it and then I put it in water. Yeah, and then just rinse it off like in a colander, rinse it off in cold water.

And then I love adding either a little bit of ghee butter or olive oil and a little bit of salt before I do anything else with it. I do. I mix in a little bit of that first and then I do the sauce. She just throws this shit at me and says, I'm the type of person. It's like, let's get, I'm hungry. Let's get it in. Like, let's go. And you like juice it back up with an oil or a, or a ghee butter. Yeah. That brings like the flavor. I'm not juicing it back up. You're not juicing anything over there. We're just eating chocolate. The baby eats my lentil pasta every day.

Yeah, no wonder she wants to get it every three seconds. She's like, I gotta get out of here. No, but lentil pasta, you can also get like the long skinny noodles too. Lentil pasta is fantastic. That's a great one. It's so good. I actually recently love kelp noodles,

but there is a trick to kelp noodles too because normally they're like weird and crunchy. But if you rinse them off and do a squeeze of lemon, I actually recently love kelp noodles, but there is a trick to kelp noodles too, because normally they're like weird and crunchy. But if you rinse them off and do a squeeze of lemon and a little bit of baking soda, toss it around and then rinse it off again, it literally tastes like angel hair. Are you writing this down? Straight up angel hair.

It is so soft. I'm going to write it down. It is. I've been doing that nonstop because it takes- Yeah, write it down, Lauren. Kelp pasta. Yeah, kelp noodles. Kelp noodles, you put it in a colander,

squeeze of lemon, a little bit of baking soda. You just let that like mix it up with your hands, let it sit in the colander for a couple of minutes while you do whatever else you need to do in the kitchen. Rinse it off really well. They are so soft, like angel hair pasta. This is great advice because sometimes I see her cook and I'm like, well, it looks like I'm gonna have sleep

for dinner. You know what I mean? It's like. You know what, go eat your eggs with whey on them them literally get the fuck out of my kitchen with your fucking whey and your eggs and your this is great this is good advice the egg thing i'm gonna honestly i have to go like i gotta go to my therapist about this you're gonna have to move on we're gonna need egg before and afters with your eyes danielle what are little tips that people can swap out in their kitchen for promoting glowy skin oh Oh, gosh. I would say when it's so avoiding those three things, especially in excess,

like if you are breaking out and you're like, what's going on with my skin? And you only have eggs like once or twice a month. That's probably not the biggest thing. Look and see what you're having the most of what, you know, gluten, dairy eggs, and then eliminate the thing that you're having the most of and then make it fun. Nobody wants to be told they have to give up their favorite stuff. And it's just this list of things you can never do again. That's not sustainable. What you do is, okay, if you're trying to get rid of dairy in your life, go and try every non-dairy yogurt and all the oat milk ice cream and the macadamia milk and all the things, and just have your own little fun taste test with it and find new favorites. That way it's fun and it's going to be more sustainable.

The first thing you put in your body, whether or not you do intermittent fasting or have breakfast or whatever, the first thing you put in your body needs to be protein. A lot of people are making things that they think are healthy, like a smoothie. And a smoothie can be healthy or it can be like liquid candy, right? Like if you're putting, it's just like water, some almond milk and a bunch of fruit that might have nutrients and some fiber and things, but it's also just a straight shot of sugar. And it's the first thing that you're putting in your system. That's going to cause an insulin spike, set the inflammation cascade, and you're going to be chasing that sugar all day. Those are little things that affect acne and aging and just how you feel in general. So having a clean plant-based protein, like I'm a fan of hemp protein because it has the most fiber and it has some omegas. Throwing that into that smoothie now makes it a totally different meal with a

different effect on your body. Other things that help your skin inside and out for acne and aging are things like organic bone broth because it has like collagen. It has some protein. It helps with your gut lining. I mean, everyone needs to be rebuilding their gut. Like our guts have been through a lot, especially in America. So yeah, little changes like that. Kaylee's got a bunch more hacks too. I love all the hacks. Those are some big ones for sure. I'm trying to think of additional ones, but I really like what Danielle said, just making it fun. Once you find your favorite new alternatives to everything, you're good. Then your kitchen's restocked, you get excited about it and you no longer have the framework of, I have to give up so much, I'm losing so much. You have

new foods to look forward to. I think that alternatives is such a good subject. It's like what the skinny confidential is based on. I like literally remember thinking of this when I was like, what should I modify at Rubio's? And I think like a thing that we've actually never talked about on the podcast is like dairy alternatives, like getting really granular, for instance. And you guys, I would love for you to share your brands like I like Malk almond milk i think if you look at the ingredients on almond milk you'd be shocked what's in there like i think it's important to really dive into what you're eating michael and i and i got him on this i'm very happy about this are obsessed with culina yogurt it's c-u-l-i-n-a it's a coconut the coconut one yeah my friend Brent told me about, and they have like,

they have a vanilla and a plain one that is so good. I'm a huge fan of coconut Colt. Do you guys have any go-to dairy products that you would swap out? I think that a lot of people are trying to swap dairy out. Yeah. So Trader Joe's, Trader Joe's is national, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Trader Joe's is your wingman. Like all of their non-dairy cheeses are bomb. I was just there and I like to try all of them because I'm assuming based on past experiences, if I try four, I'm going to like one. But literally Trader Joe's.

I used to go to lunch at Trader Joe's when I was in high school and couldn't afford lunch. You just go to like the sampler. That's what my mom and I used to do at Costco on Sundays. Or Price Club. It's called Price Club. I think my dad still eats it. Your dad does. I go, you want to go think my dad's doing it. Your dad does it.

I go, you want to go to lunch? His dad and he like go to Costco. I love it. Love it. But no, Trader Joe's has a ton

of really good quality non-dairy, just dairy alternatives and non-dairy things. All their cheeses are bomb. They have a bunch of like cashew based yogurt. They have the almond milk.

Like they have everything. It's just an easy place to go start making these healthy changes. Boy, oh boy, am I ready for a cocktail. That shouldn't surprise you. It's been a long time. I cannot wait to have an Ashland hard seltzer. I am going to be in tightening and toning mode after this baby. And one of the things I'm really focused on is being mindful of what I'm putting in my mouth along with what I'm drinking. And Ashland hard seltzer is amazing because it's gluten-free, malt-free, zero carbs, sugar-free, no fat, and a hundred calories. You heard that right. A hundred calories for an entire

can. So what I'm going to do when I want to have a cocktail is I'll take an Ashland, probably the ginger peach. I'll pour it over ice and like a big wine glass. I'll do a pixie straw, maybe some herbs, and I'll just enjoy every sip knowing that it's sugar free, carb free and 100 calories. Very into this. They have all different kinds of flavors. They have lavender lemonade, orange pineapple. They also have this watermelon one. The cans are so cute and beautiful. You should know they're clean crafted hard seltzer, which is super important. And we actually had the founder on the podcast and got to pick his brain. It's the number one selling independent hard seltzer brand in California.

Super cool. You can follow them on Instagram at Ashland hard seltzer. They have a beautiful feed and beautiful cocktails. And you can also use their cocktails too, to make like an Aperol spritz. Like you could use one of their seltzers and make your own super low calorie skinny spritz. How fun. Drink one for me. Cheers. I'm a huge fan of almond and coconut as alternatives. So Malk right here, like one of my favorite three trees, again, a really clean one that doesn't have all the additional gums, sugars, all the stuff in it. I like sticking to more almond and coconut rather than oat because oat typically has rapeseed in it, which is canola oil. So if you turn around, a lot of like oat milks are just not good anymore, which is really sad because it was like the best tasting milk alternative for a while. So anything almond and coconut based and then just double checking, it doesn't have those

inflammatory oils in it as well. I'm going to change the subject. Okay. What do you guys think are some good things that came out of you having acne? Oh my gosh. Everything we love in our life. Yeah. It makes us be able to help other people's lives so much more. So there's a lot of people that come to us that are just so frustrated and debilitated with their health. They need help. They're feeling bloated. They're feeling tired. They're struggling with acne and they don't know what to do. And when we hear people's life story and are just able to give them three simple changes, they DM us or reach back out a few weeks later saying how much their life was changed, their skin cleared up,

they're sleeping better, their bloating went down. That's what does it. Like it's the impact that we've made in people's lives by our difficult journey. And that's, that led us to figuring out everything to now compile all this education to make it really easy for other people because people just get so overwhelmed. They hear from a lot of influencers, they're Google searching, they're being fed so much information, so much misinformation, and we've simplified it to just get to the root cause of what actually causes acne and what actually accelerates aging. Give that information to people to make those changes

and people's lives are changed. And I think that's our favorite part of it. I love like the success stories. People I love when they send us their pictures being like my skin cleared up in a few weeks. Like all I did was remove vitamin D and zinc from my daily routine and or just lowered my dosage and my skin cleared up.

And that's the best. You're giving people their confidence back. Yeah. Show up differently. Yeah. A million other ways that that shows up as opposed to just like good skin. For sure. Your confidence affects your, your ability to be intimate with other people. Like the quality of our relationships, our friendships, relationship with yourself, your friendships, your intimate partner. Those are the things that keep you healthy and happy and that matter most in our life. And when you don't like how you look and you have the shame that comes with having acne, it changes your frequency and your energy. And it affects all of your relationships, whether or not you even agree that it should. You're like, no, I'm better than my skin. But if you're breaking out like on your back, you're going to want to

turn the lights down when you're having sex. You might not even want to have sex. Like it can change the way you, you have to plan your outfits ahead of time. Like when I had acne, it was like cystic on my chest. I had to call ahead to restaurants to see what the lighting was like. I was wearing turtlenecks in summer. Like it affected my whole life in a really, really negative way. So when people are able, you know, they message us and they're like, thank you so much. I finally want to be more intimate with my boyfriend. I finally like can look at myself in the mirror for more than five seconds. Like that means the world to me because I know that those little changes affect how you exist in this world. Especially

in a world that we're living in now where if you have a pimple you you face tune it out yeah and so like it looks like everyone has clear perfect skin and listen i've said this a lot like i find the best light i find the best angle like it's not like like we i feel like we all do yeah um i don't want to take pictures and so on top of that though if you're struggling with your skin and you go on social media and it's like flawless skin everywhere and everyone's swiping to use the Paris filter, it's almost harder than what it was maybe 20 years ago. Because then people forget that a lot of people have skin issues and are struggling with it. And they think it makes people feel even more alone. And feeling alone just depletes your confidence in every

level and doesn't allow you to connect with people the way you'd want to connect with that. And it can interfere with your confidence and how in your, the way that you think, because normally if you're a high functioning, high, you know, high achieving type person, you put your energy into figuring something out and you get results. You want to figure out how to change your body at the gym. Great. You can figure that out. It's not that hard. You know what I mean? So you try to figure something out. You want results. You can usually easily get it and whatever else you're pursuing.

But if you don't have the right information, you can be spending hundreds of dollars on facials that are making your skin worse. You can be buying all the vitamins to help your immune system. It's making your skin worse. You can be trying, you know, the new thing that an influencer posted that said it cleared their acne in three days or whatever bullshit. You can be trying that and you're like, this is going to be the one I can feel it. And then it makes it worse or it's better for a week. And then it gets worse again. And you don't know why. So that mind fuck is like the worst thing ever. And like,

that's the thing that we love helping people with. I've always been very careful on my platform about acne because I've never had it. Thank you for that. And I can't talk about something I've always been very careful on my platform about acne because I've never had it. Thank you for that. And I can't talk about something I've never had. I can invite people on the platform to talk about it, but acne has always been one that is very sensitive. It's also because we talked about this earlier, but there's more layers to acne. It's not just having hyperpigmentation. I can cover that with makeup.

There's a lot of different things that are going on. You talked about the bedroom. You talked about all the other things. The only thing that I will say, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that if I had acne, I think I would like ice on my face. You are damn right. I have a rash right now that's so bad and it burns. And I would think acne would like burn and be like almost rashy.

So the ice roller or ice, like go get it for free in your refrigerator or go dunk your face in ice or go cryotherapy or cold plunge. I would think that helps fight the inflammation. Is that right? Our number one tip when someone has a cystic acne, and that's the one that is like the basically like the bubble under your skin. It doesn't come to a head. It's that huge bump. It's really painful. The number one tip to get rid of it is ice packet. Get that inflammation down, but make sure it's clean, right? You don't, don't go grab your ice roller. That's next to your husband's way waffles.

And roll your face as you're eating your scrambled eggs. Like get rid of the scrambled eggs. Get rid of your husband's whey waffle. I got two questions because it sounds, the more and more I'm digesting this and thinking about it, it sounds like there's a ton of different reasons that somebody could be experiencing. Your reason may not be the same as yours or the same as mine. Is there a specific test,

whether it's a blood test or hormone test that you recommend people do to get more information or is it not, not testing? I love this question. So skip Western medicine. Like if you have like a Kaiser or an HML or a run of the mill dermatologist, they are not going to make you healthier. You're going to go, they're going to spend around 12 minutes with you. They're going to their whole time there. There's going to be seeing what prescription they can match you with. And they're going to be, they're going to their whole time there, there's going to be seeing what prescription they can match you with. And they're going to be, they're going to put you on antibiotics, maybe on birth control again, when those fail, they're going to put you on spironolactone. When that fails, they're going to put you on Accutane. They'll probably prescribe a bunch

of topical shit. That's just going to burn the hell out of your skin, make you age faster and destroy your skin barrier. That's the typical dermatologist route. They'll also, they might run some blood work. Usually people come back normal and they don't get any other information. But what's normal is because there's like- Normal means you're not diseased. Yeah. Right. And it's based on most Americans, most Americans are not very healthy. Right. So you don't get the information. It's like when guys do tests for testosterone and it's like you're normal, but the spectrum is here. It's huge. It's only looking for a disease that is the spectrum. Yeah. And then there's no, then if you want to go even deeper, like, oh, okay. So I'm at the 80%

per 80th percentile of normal. What does that really mean? They don't know. They're not going to tell you. And they're not going to talk about vitamins or anything else that could be affecting your hormones. Anyway, my rant of that is over. Find a naturopath or a really talented acupuncturist or actually like the unsung heroes of medicine. They can run lab work too. And they focus on lymphatic system, digestion, and liver. And Lauren is loving this right now. So lymphatic system doesn't even get addressed in a typical Western office. Most people don't even really know what it is. And it's the biggest instrument of our immune system. It is relative to digestion, hormones, detoxification pathways, and all the things

that actually matter, especially for acne, because if things aren't being filtered out properly, it's going to come out your skin. So when you go to someone who actually knows to shine the light on that topic and look at it and knows what herbs will actually naturally balance your hormones and knows that, okay, you're not breaking down your protein all the way. You need some digestive enzymes. You don't need to accutane. You need digestive enzymes. People who know to think about the body holistically like that with an emphasis on digestion, those are the people that are going to help you the most.

But this is why I asked this question because I think that within this conversation, there's so many routes that you can, it's going to be different routes for different people. But if blanketly across the board, if you could wave a wand and say these three things you're going to add to your diet or your routine, what would the, because we did the one which you would remove, what are the three things you would add blanketly? Hot water with lemon. Anytime you go to a restaurant, you sit down,

server comes to greet you, asks you what kind of water you want. Let it roll off your tongue. Hot water with a lot of lemons. Let that roll off your tongue. It's rolling off my tongue. I already mentioned that every single day. And why? Because hot water with lemon activates your digestion, which is fantastic because you're

sitting there, you're about to eat. So you want to activate your own digestive juices. Anything that is tangy or sour is going to stimulate the digestive juices so you can break down your own food better. It also helps with the liver and just like helps with the lymphatic system. And it's just a really good thing to have. You can do it in the morning too, but if you have it be one of those habits, every time you go out to eat, that's going to make a massive impact when you extrapolate that in your life. Other things are apple cider vinegar, huge fan of that. Some people can't really take the taste of it, but they have, you know, some really high quality capsules and things too. And also eating more like herbs and spicy greens. Like I add arugula to everything and add fresh herbs

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See, we used herbs last night. I know that that's weird. We also used garlic and shallots. I am the classic case of just learning now about Eastern medicine and just getting my diet. How have you been married to me? I'm stubborn, right? Everyone learns on their own timeline. He's talking to me about the lymphatic system yesterday.

I'm like, are you? I got one of those. The reason I'm asking this is you guys are evolved wellness practitioners, all three of you. For most people, I would say the majority of people, they're not. We grew up in the era of mass production and mass commercial marketing. When I met you, you literally would roll out of bed, brush your teeth with crest, slap herbal essence on your face. But this is,

and that was about it. But, but my, but I don't, I think I am probably in the majority of people that grew up that way. Right? Like you get, I remember like tricks and like smacks and no smacks. Smacks are good, actually. Gushers. Gushers, all these things. Dunkaroos. But our parents, and this is, I don't think it's the fault of a lot of our parents. It's like they were in that era of mass production and mass commercial marketing, right?

Whereas like you see these things on TV. It was the era of brands, right? Like brands dominated the bread aisles. They dominated the eggs. They dominated the cereals we ate, the meat, all of these things, even like the chick, you know, like Oscar Meyer became like, it was everywhere. And so I don't blame our parents. It was just, we're in a moment in time when human civilization figured out mass production and mass marketing and sold health to people. I did get in a fight with your dad when he told me

that diet Coke was healthier than fresh squeezed orange juice. But that's another story for another day. I want to know what are some practices that you both do in the morning and night in your routine that are wellnessy? Okay. So I love biohacking sleep. I think sleep is the foundation of our health. So I have a chili pad, but I'm now being convinced to get a sleep eight. I don't know which one you guys have, but basically a temperature controls your bed. So I set it to 65 degrees and it tricks your body into falling asleep really quickly and keeps you in that deep sleep and REM cycle. I love it. And I get the best night's sleep. I also have an air purifier in my room too. That's made the biggest difference in my energy when I wake up in the morning. So those are my two

ways I like biohack sleep. So I wake up feeling really refreshed. When I wake up in the morning, I wait to have caffeine. I don't always have caffeine. I don't need it. I like the ritual of coffee and the ritual of caffeine. So I'll wait a little bit later in the day. But first thing in the morning, I will have water with lemon and salt. I'm a huge fan of element recently, but if I don't, if I like run out of element, I just do a pinch of real salt and some lemon. It gives you electrolytes for the day. And then the sodium helps you actually absorb the water. So you're properly absorbing the water and you're not feeling bloated after drinking a ton of water. I then have my green juice after that. My new favorite is athletic greens right now because I think it's the best, most comprehensive

multivitamin you could ever take. I could talk about it forever. I'm obsessed. I'm with you. I take it every day. Yeah, it's made a huge difference in my energy levels and my focus. I don't feel like I need caffeine when I have it.

And then I start my work day. I take my supplements when I eat my first meal of the day, which is typically like around 11. I eat when I get hungry and I'm really big on focusing on digestion and gut health. Like what you were saying, Michael, like the things that people should really focus on

with how overwhelmed they can be with transitioning their health is focusing on digestion and gut health. I think that's like the framework to our entire whole body health. So I take a spore-based probiotic. Michael didn't know what the gut was until a week ago, but go on.

It controls hormones. It controls our brain function, everything. So spore-based probiotic. I take digestive enzymes. Which brand? You guys mentioned that. What's brand of digestive enzymes? Just Thrive.

Yeah. No, that's for probiotics. For digestive enzymes. There's a couple of different ones. I like the Digest Gold is a really good one. Does Just Thrive make an enzyme? We love their probiotic, obviously. They don't, no.

They only make a D3 and K2 and then a probiotic. When they come back on here, I'm going to tell them to get on that Digestive Enzyme. They totally should. Digestive Enzyme. They should make one. I will buy it in two seconds. But I think they are hands down the best probiotic

because 99% of the probiotics that exist out there, especially if it's refrigerated, doesn't work. Like you think about it, if something has to be refrigerated, it's never going to survive in your body with the temperature. And so the spore-based actually like plants, basically like plant seeds in your gut to teach your gut how to grow good bacteria and rebalance it rather than dumping probiotics in and seeing if it works, if it doesn't work. So spore-based is key. That's why so many people will take probiotics and be like, it doesn't work. It's because a lot of them don't work. Digestive enzymes helps break down food. As we get older, we lose stomach acid and digestive

enzymes. So as we get older, we just struggle to break down food. And that's how we're going to get more brain function, mood stabilization. So our hormones are going to be balanced. So digestion is insanely important. So those are my main two vitamins. I have like some fun ones that I take, but now that I'm on athletic greens, like I don't need a lot of them because it has a ton in it. And then I have my magnesium at night. And then we actually, it's releasing in two weeks. We just launched a vitamin. It rivals Accutane. You guys can take a look at it, but it's basically, yeah, it's vitamin A. It's a lot of anti-inflammatory liver support, digestion support. And so it's basically a natural version

of Accutane to help people with acne, but it also has glutathione, some other skin brightening aspects in it too. So for the last, I don't know, six months, we've been developing this for almost two years, but for the last six months, thank you. I've been taking it consistently. I'm just, I'm so psyched we're coming out with this because it's going to be a game changer, but it has a good combination of other supplements you might like break apart in different forms. When I have clients at the, at San Diego Acne Clinic, where I know something's going on internally, I send them do a couple of blood work people that I've had in my orbit for a while. And they are masters. People come back with the same few issues all the time. People aren't breaking

down their protein very well, or they're not breaking down fats very well. You know, protein's the hardest thing to break down anyway. A lot of us don't chew our food very well. And we eat a ton of protein in one sitting. So like, I mean, to actually sit and chew your food feels weird. Like most people don't do that, but it creates a lot of digestive waste in the body. This is like such a timely episode. You don't even know today. He like, he took his egg and threw it down his throat and didn't even chew it. And then just drop the meat down the throat.

No, just kidding. I was like, no, but listen, I think that I fall in the majority of people. Right. And what I like about doing this show is I always tell people I learn at the same time as people, maybe a little earlier because I hear it before it's released, but that's why we do this. Right. And I think it's easy for people that have been practicing this way for a while. But if you're, I'm thinking about the person that's like, okay, now I want to get my gut under control. I want to get my acting control. I don't know where to start. This is a place for them to start. Right? A thousand percent.

People throw the kitchen sink at them. I'm like, it is this and this. It's so overwhelming. What the fuck? Well, and what I really want people to understand is it's never just one thing. If you see an ad that's like, this is the one thing that cured my acne, red fucking flag.

It is never just one thing. Our bodies are symphonies of a lot of things going on. And if you throw one thing out of whack, it's going to affect another thing. Like holistic approach is super, super important. I mean, I would say someone's listening to this and like, okay, we've just heard a lot of information and I still don't know where to start. Our website has a learning center that gives you like the bullet points of everything we just said. So the vitamins that can cause acne by messing with your hormones in excess. And we tell you

the dosages to watch out for the foods that if you're having too much of them, they're going to break you out. We tell you where on your face they're going to break you out. So you'll be able to just go like checklist motion and just know if that is your trigger. And you'll be able to tell like if eggs are your trigger, it's going to take three weeks for them to get out of your system. Give it three weeks off. You're going to know if it's dairy, it's going to break you out on your chin where you'd have a goatee should be down in 48 hours after you stop having dairy. And if you have dairy again, it'll show up the next day. Like we give people that information so that they can be their own guide and check their own triggers and know for sure what matters for them because

everyone is a little bit different in what they can get away with, with their diet. So that information to just know the information and then test it yourself. Like I want everyone to test things for themselves rather than just like listen blindly because that is how you truly learn is by testing and realizing it for yourself. Name three wellness practices that you do in the morning. Five minute journal. Okay.

Yeah. It always asks you for three things that you're grateful for. Kaylee's usually number one on that list. You guys are so cute. I love her. So five minute journal for sure. Waking up.

I like to wake up to music. How you wake up is important. I used to wake up to music. How you wake up is important. I used to wake up to an alarm all the time and it would like send me through the five stages of grief every morning. Nabal Ravocan said on Tim Ferriss' podcast, the worst thing you can do to set the tone of your day

is wake up to an alarm. It's terrible. Lauren, hold on. Do you know, hold on, hold on. Just wait right there. Do you know that you decided to get a new puppy while you're pregnant, while we have a two-year-old? I keep it fun.

But you know, I don't have the luxury of waking up to an alarm. I just get up when the dog and the house goes into chaos. I know, but you were an alarm person. So I love this tip. Keep going off the tangent. I like to biohack the sleep as well. I haven't gotten chili pod yet, but I make sure it's like pretty cold in my place when I love this tip. Keep going off the tangent. I like to biohack the sleep as well. I haven't gotten chili pod yet, but I make sure it's like pretty cold in my place when I go to bed because like heat just destroys sleep for a lot of us. And then in the morning, immediately,

first thing I like to, my kick right now is chlorophyll water. So some type of water, whether it's like, I have this drink called early bird. That's like a coffee alternative. It has like L-theanine and ashwagandha in it. So I'll do that with like a liter of water. But an organic green apple in the morning is like the best. It wakes you up because it's tangy. You can feel it working in your tummy. I can't do an apple crunch. I can't do an apple crunch.

It's like nails on a chalkboard. Do not give that tip. Take that tip and edit it out. If you start crunching on a goddamn apple in the morning, I am going to lose my shit. You give Zaza chopped apples every morning. She's down there crunching on an apple. It's one of the low points in our marriage

when I'm eating the apples. No more apples. Okay, I can see how that would be annoying. Now that I'm imagining someone else doing it. Oh, yeah. Okay, so blackberries. I like the apples. Blackberries.

I handle blackberries. Yes, and you can Blackberries. So you can handle blackberries. Yes. And you can take your Just Thrive probiotic with it. So it's like, boom, you've already done three things that are amazing for yourself that day. If you're married to a fucking nut, then you can't have apples. So I guess that's what it is. Your product line. You guys have built an incredible product line.

This is, I think this is going to be, not that it already isn't, but huge in the acne community. You said not one size fits all. If someone is struggling with acne, is there something that you would turn them towards in this product line? Because there's a lot of products. Yes. Number one, before you buy anything from anyone, check for pore cloggers. Pore clogging ingredients are those fillers that when you flip to the back of a moisturizer or sunscreen or makeup, you look at the ingredient deck and it's all these chemistry words that you've never seen before and that you can't pronounce. And you're just like, I don't want to look at this. Got to look at that. Copy and paste that into, we have a search function that we paid thousands of dollars

in development for, but you can copy and paste an ingredient deck to see if there's pore cloggers in it. If there's anything in your makeup, your sunscreen, whatever that has a pore clogger, like isopropyl myristate or ethylhexyl palmitate or random things that the average consumer doesn't know about. If those are in your products, you're going to keep breaking out. So step one is to check and remove all pore cloggers. And check skincare, makeup, and hair conditioner. Yeah. Those are the three things. Yeah. A lot of back acne, especially if it's on the upper back, is from hair conditioner. Big time. Just pore cloggers and hair conditioner. That's a great tip. And another maybe ignorant question. If you're not struggling with acne, you can still use these products. Oh, for sure. So the whole line is anti-aging and anti-acne

with no toxins and it's equally effective for both. Yeah. So thank you for allowing us to clarify that. If I was going to pick a product out of all this that I think I'm going to like the best, and again, I don't have acne, so maybe I'm not the perfect client. It would definitely be the powdered sunscreen. The powdered sunscreen.

I would say number two for you because you struggle with hyperpigmentation, melasma is the Clarity. So, yep, the yellow one. So that is a game changer

both if someone's struggling with acne. I love mandelic acid. Yep, it is the best. Struggling with acne or wrinkles or hyperpigmentation. Okay, I do. I love mandelic acid. Yep, it is the best. Struggling with acne or wrinkles or hyperpigmentation. Okay, I do.

I love mandelic. I might need the bounce back, Lauren. The bounce back is our- I need the bounce back. Especially after this episode. You need the purple eye. Do you have one that revives people from the dead? That's bounce back.

Bounce back has been labeled as our quote, no Botox serum. So it's either a great alternative or it extends the life if you are getting Botox. So it's either a great alternative or it extends the life if you are getting Botox. So it helps extend it in between visits. But if you aren't getting Botox, it helps just smooth out all the wrinkles as peptides that are lifting, hydrating stem cells that are going to be stimulating any scars. So it's going to help with scar reversal and wrinkle reversal. Yeah. Lauren, you're a pregnant mama Sita right now.

You can't be doing Botox. I know it's made for you. It's hard. It's hard. Yep. So bounce back. That's your alternative. That's your pregnancy alternative.

Okay. I'm going to try that. And I also really want to just shout out this sunscreen and I'll tell you why. There's nothing worse than when I'm driving. Like today I was going on a walk and I'm driving in the car and I'm trying to put on my sunscreen, but then it's getting on the steering steering wheel. Yep. And then I pick my phone up to look at the map quest and then it gets on my, my phone. And then it's like all over. And it's with this situation that I have going on being pregnant, it's like, I'm rolling around with like white chalky sunscreen. So the reason that I like this sunscreen that you guys have is it's on a brush and it's like a powder and it's very

malleable in the sense that you can just take it to go. It's meant to be kept in your car because it won't melt. I keep sunscreens in my car all the time. They'll melt. Right. And also I feel like I would use this on my hands too. Hands, chest. Yeah. And you would dust it off on your shoulders too if your shoulders are really exposed during your walks. So you would say the bounce back serum, let's, I want, I don't like- One more distinction, men and women can use this product. Yes, the line is unisex.

So if we were to recommend our audience sounds, cause I like to, I like to be very specific. It sounds like we would do the sunny side sunscreen, which is the one that I just talked about. That's on a brush. The clarity serum, which is a mandelic acid. I write about mandelic in my book. I'm obsessed with mandelic. You'll love this one because it's mandelic acid that we cocktailed vitamin C with because it actually travels down deeper because

it's with an acid. And then there's also turmeric in it that calms the skin. I love it. And then the Bounce Back Serum. Yep. And are your products pregnancy safe? You can't use these together though, or you can. So anyone can use Clarity. So the thing, pro tip here, the thing with an acid, any AHA, BHA, anything with an acid, whether it's mandelic acid, glycolic acid, salicylic acid, anything with an acid, that goes on bare skin. It's going to eat whatever it's touching. So you want it to eat the surface layer of dead skin.

If you put like a moisturizer on and then try to put an acid on, it's going to eat your moisturizer. So an acid always goes on bare skin. If you put something like a moisturizer on and then try to put an acid on, it's going to eat your moisturizer. So an acid always goes on bare skin. And the trick is to leave it alone for 10 minutes. The low pH is why it's being effective. It's how it's doing its work is the low pH. The moment you put something else on, it neutralizes it and it stops working. So a lot of people are spending so much money on exfoliants and they're not getting any results because no one told them to let it wait in between that and their next step.

I've been doing everything. There's so much to do. There is so much to do. Does everyone feel like that? It's like I'm texting Katie and I'm telling her to get ready to have my office live and go in there and cry

after this episode. No, there is a lot to do. It's like wait 10 minutes and then I don't know, wait 10 minutes. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to wait in between other steps, though. Yeah.

Like at all. Brush your teeth. Like, put it on. Brush your teeth. Do it all over else you need. Go make your bedtime tea. Go take your bedtime supplements. By the time you're done with that, finish your routine.

Go in the garage and eat your apples. Mostly at night, not in the day. Yeah, correct. Okay. Mostly at night. You guys are amazing. Pimp yourself out. Do we have a code for the audience?

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