The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Fat Mascara On All The Insider Beauty Tips, Tricks, & Specific Products You Need On Your Vanity

Episode Date: June 3, 2021

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Fashion is very... Elitist. Elitist. It's harder to buy into, literally. It's more expensive. It was not as inclusive in terms of size. Beauty is far more accessible. If you have $30, you can buy the nicest lipstick in Nordstrom.

And you can feel like you belong in that world. Hello, we are back with the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. You only have me today. No, Michael, he's out of office. I kicked him out of office because I wanted to interview the fat mascara girls, Jessica Matlin and Jennifer Goldstein by myself. I did not want him infringing on this episode. They are the two women behind the incredible award-winning beauty podcast, okay? It's one of the biggest beauty podcasts that there is. They've interviewed everyone, you guys. Seriously, Kim Kardashian, every single top person in the beauty industry, and they really, really give you the juice, OK?

What's really fun is we did a swap. So you can go to their podcast, and you can listen to me on their podcast. We talk all about inflammation, bloat, and facial puffiness, of course. We really, really get into it. And like I said, definitely check out their Rolodex, because there's some major people. We also talk about my book, which comes out June 15th. It is called Get the Fuck Out of the Sun. It's routines, products, tips, and insider secrets from 100 plus of the world's best skincare gurus. And you get to have happy hour with me. I mean, I share every single fucking secret you can think of in this book. It's pink. It's thick. It's matte. You'll want it on your coffee table. You also can read it front to back.

But additionally, you can open it to any page and find a secret, like from an insider guru. We have everyone from Kristen Cavallari, Patrick Starr, the Summer Friday co-founders, Chez Marie, Chriselle Lim, Jillian Michaels, Dom Roberts, Stassi Schroeder, Omni Song, The Lady Gang, Amelia Gray, Bobby Brown, Dr. Dennis Gross, Dr. Jason Diamond, Sonia Dakar, Georgia Louise, Dr. Barbara Sturm, to name a few, okay? And I went to them to get unsponsored realness. It is basically this go-to resource for preventative skincare, and it comes with the signature pink, cheeky, skinny, confidential spin. Michael also did a chapter. The chapter is about how to manipulate

your man into skincare. So it really has you covered. And this isn't just a book for your face, okay? It's also head to toe. So we talk about taking care of your tongue, taking care of your heels, taking care of your knees, your elbows, your hands, everything, okay? So it's a full skincare resource. I am so excited for you guys to get it. You can get it on Amazon, Target, Barnes & Noble. It's also available at all small bookstores. Support small bookstores. Whatever you want. It's such a fun gift to give someone to. And you can pre-order it now. So it would really make me happy if you guys could go check it out. It's a number one bestseller right now, and I think you're going to love it.

On that note, let's meet the Fat Mascara Girls. Hosts and friends Jessica and Jennifer bring you the big juicy world of beauty on their award-winning weekly podcast. They met when they had day jobs as beauty editors, and they have interviewed everyone from Olivia Wilde, Miranda Kerr, Jaclyn Hill, Emily Weiss, Kat Von D, Christian Louboutin, Patrick Starr, Bobby Brown. The list goes on. And they are very, very obsessed with getting the details when it comes to beauty. And Jessica is currently the beauty director at

Harper's Bazaar. And Jen has worked as the editor at Cosmo Girl Health and Marie Claire. As you can see, they know their shit when it comes to beauty. We get into it. I get details on all the products that you want to know about. With that, let's welcome Jessica and Jen to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Let's give the audience some context on both of your stories. I would love to go back to your childhood before all of this, like way, way back. Have you both always been interested in beauty? And if so, how did that happen in childhood? Who goes first? Who usually does? Just go ahead because I know you came out of the womb with lipstick on.

Yeah. If you came out of the womb with lipstick on, let's hear about it. What I loved about beauty was it was a way way and I don't think that like telling anyone some kind of like something that's that revelatory but I think beauty is a way to access a world that is like a more luxurious interesting world than like the one that you're in. Now, my problem with the beauty industry is it's very unaspirational. I was just going to say my problem, but what I think is less exciting to me is it's less aspirational than the one I grew up in. When I was younger, it was like all about like dreaming. And I feel like now beauty is a little bit more down to earth, which is wonderful in many ways. But when I was younger, I think it was much more about fantasy.

And like you look at the ads, it was about being larger than life and outsize and like dreams. And even look at the perfume ads, like Jen and I laugh about it all the time, but they were like crazy. And it was for me, somebody who lived in the suburbs of new jersey and was like pudgy and Not always feeling super cool, which is like I think a lot of people That's like well, that's where I want to be fashion is very Elitist very elitist. It's harder to buy into literally. It's more expensive

It was not as inclusive in terms of size. Beauty is far more accessible. If you have $30, you can buy the nicest lipstick in Nordstrom. And you can feel like you belong in that world. So I hope that kind of answers your question in a way that's not as specific as I'm willing to go. That's perfect. I think you're right. It used to be very, very glamorous.

I think with social media, it's definitely changed. Yeah. I don't know why. And I can't relate to it in a lot of ways. But I wanted to dream as hard, as big, as crazy. It was sort of like a club kid time and a super glamorous nineties time. And I don't know why people don't want to go there anymore, but I, I, I do. So anyway, I've been talking, let's talk to my co-host, Jen. My mother always says about me. I started talking, I think when I was like

nine or 10 months, like I was still in a crib, not even walking. My mom said the minute I started talking, I never shut up. Like I was just narrating everything. She would go in the closet and just close the door to get a break from me for a while. And I think it's starting this beauty podcast with Jess. You know, we were both beauty editors at magazines when we started this. And the reason was because we wanted to go deeper than like a little tidbit on the page that you could put out. It was like 200 words and all the fun stuff happens behind the scenes. We were interviewing each other on the taxi cab on the way home from like the beauty event. And that's what we wanted to talk about. And I think doing this podcast

actually made me shut up a little bit. True. We talk, but like we've really learned to listen. It's amazing how, when we listen back to some of the early interviews we did five years ago, I'm just like, shut up, Jen. Stop saying yes. Stop interrupting the guests. So I was always a talker, but I think, yeah, now that we're doing this, I've learned to listen a little bit more. That's interesting. That's evolution to be able to look back and see where you started. I don't ever want to listen to my first episode. I don't even, that's scary. Oh, horrible. It's very scary. Horrible.

How did you guys meet each other? Well, Jess usually tells the story, but I'm going to tell it this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know if your listeners know this, but like a big part of being like a beauty journalist when you're at a glossy magazine at the time, Jess was at Cosmopolitan and I was at Marie Claire.

I think it was 2015-ish. We were doing these press trips and it was 2013. You always feel like a married couple. I'm like, it was 2013. Okay. Back in 2013. And we get invited on these press trips in return for you will be writing an article about whatever you see. Like they don't tell you what to write, but they're like, we'll take you and let's see if, you know, we get good press out of it. So Juergens took three people to Ghana to learn about Shea butter. And they assumed that Jess and I were good friends. They were like, oh, you two know each other. Cause it was a big trip to go on all the way to Ghana,

just with big people you barely knew. We had no idea who the other one was, but the publicist that we were working with was like, you two are going to love each other. And we were like, sure, whatever. Let's just go to Ghana and see what happens. It was such a formative trip because yes, of course we fell in love, but we also like got to go get up early

and go out with these women. They were part of the Shea Collective in the Northern area of Ghana to collect Shea nuts that had fallen, learn how Shea butter was processed. It was like an amazing trip. And we both wrote separate articles about it. And what came out of that is this like budding friendship that eventually turned into the podcast. Were the articles similar or different? Oh, I didn't read Jen's. You didn't?

I read yours. Yours had like a very Cosmo feel to it was like a love letter to shea butter if i remember no that was my love letter to the rose when i went to paris oh i'm so sorry you guys have to pull those out of the vintage scrapbook and put them on instagram so everyone can see i don't even know where i would get them oh Oh my God. No, the Shea was like something about like the Shea, like the sexiest ingredient like on planet Earth. No Cosmo. This was like peak Cosmo. Boy, oh boy, do I have the perfect gift to give the men in your life. I mean, you could even gift your dad this, your boyfriend this, your friend, Taylor, your producer. Manscaped.

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I would love to know how you guys had the foresight to be so on the pulse when it came to podcasting. Obviously, everyone is jumping into this industry right now. You see podcasts popping up all the time. But you guys knew that this was going to be something. Or maybe you didn't know. And as you grew, you started to see, see holy shit we're on to something yeah credit to jess on that yeah yeah so i wanted to start a podcast a long time ago i was really into podcasts i was obsessed with mark maron's podcast and i was obsessed obsessed with Brett Easton Ellis's first podcast.

And I was like, okay, you have Mark talking to comedians, you have Brett talking to artists and authors. Why isn't there someone talking to beauty people? And then there was like, you know, a couple floating around, but they had like two episodes, three episodes, and then like kaput. So I was you know i gotta do something this is crazy and i talked to a producer who i knew through a friend and i was just like tripping over myself i was like and then we'll talk to you know artists and then by terry terry dugansberg and i just was just so like spitting over myself and she like, podcasts work absolutely best as a duo. You know, you need that rapport.

You need that banter, that conversation. And I had a conversation with Jen. And, you know, one thing led to another. And really, I think within a matter of weeks, Jen and I recorded our first episode. And really, the rest is history. How long have you guys been recording for so the audience can really understand that was we recorded test episodes in 2015 wow the summer of 2015 because

i remember jen remember we went recorded one and then we went out for a drink after with our first test guest miss pop and it was yeah and it yeah and it was like i remember it was like the first nice day of summer what do you guys think is the is the secret sauce is is is it discipline consistency i mean all the things is it the branding what do you think has made you guys stand out in the beauty space especially with podcasting and more than that you guys i mean you guys stand out in the podcast space when i think of a beauty podcast i think of you guys's podcast what's the secret sauce for that I think it's chemistry is one because I've listened to some other ones and I'm not saying I'm too too close to it to be like it's us because like it's me so it's like awkward so I don't want to listen to me talk for more than a second but like it's I've heard that people like you know

you have to like the duo just like how I like some people more you know, you have to like the duo, just like how I like some people more than others. Like you have to like the duo. So it's, it's subjective, but I think like Jen and I get along and we have stuff to talk about. We can talk about like gum on my shoe for an hour, but then I think it's the consistency. But I also think that Jen and I, like we do, we research our show. We, we, we research everything. It's not just imagining and like

BS. Yeah. We bring like magazine journalism level research. Like I'm fact-checking stuff that experts are reaching out to are the same ones that you'll see in like big fancy books and magazines. I think that's part of it. Also with the chemistry thing, can I say that we're very different people, even though we have the beauty sphere in common, I think that a lot of our listeners say like, I'm a Jess or I'm a Jen. You're not getting double the dose of one person. So if you don't like me, maybe you'll like Jess. That's a big part of the chemistry. And vice versa. I think what's so great too is that you guys do come from a place where everything was so researched as editors. So you know how important that is to bring to the table with podcasting and i think it seems like um from every episode i've

listened to that you you leave the audience with a lot of valuable takeaways we call that service in our world service i like that service since you guys are so researched i have a cut not like a rapid fire but i have like a bunch of little questions about certain products. Our audience is very specific to very micro, very detailed. So the reason I kicked Michael off this episode is because I want to know about serums, moisturizers, the best brows, everything. I can, I have relief now. I'm like, okay, can we stop talking about us? Yeah. I mean, I just, yeah, I know. I'm like very, one day you have to do a

podcast that's like my childhood and nothing about beauty we'd listen i know i know everyone wants the juice okay so what is on the market right now summer's around the corner the best self-tanner and why i knew she was gonna say self yeah i need a tan self tan you know you know who always looks good so she was the beauty director of lucky forever and now she's in goop jean godfrey june is always using like lancome self tanner and she looks good and have is this the tanner you've tried and tested and you like that you would recommend no i don't i don't self ever no it's not for me i love i could tell you i like the drops when it's first of all i think you have to look for one that has dha and erythrolose like none of this dha alone you're going to be orange okay and the l'oreal drops and i i should know the exact name they're

probably down here they're like sublime bronzing. It's a new one that came out this year. You add them into your own moisturizer. So for a facial self-tan, if you want to like deepen your skin tone, it's customizable, which I think is the key. Cause that's the thing. Like some people don't like a lot of glow. Some people like a whole lot of glow.

So I would say that. And then Saint-Tropez, like I've never looked crazy when I've done Saint-Tropez. But to Jess's point, I haven't done it a lot recently. I'm enjoying this all like embrace yourself and what you look like. And all right, I'm like, you know, I'm kind of green. That's my tone. I am like pink with blue blotches.

It's a rainbow over here, fat mascara. If after you're done using your tan drops what moisturizer are you using on top what is the body moisturizer that is your go-to something that you've had forever that you just keep going back to mine is a scented body oil i am a body oil person i don't mind being lubed up like a little slippery seal and it's called riddle body oil. Oh, you like that one. I love it so much. The reason I love it is it has a very hard to explain skin musk note in it. And they claim it's like your skin, but better, but like it really is. So you could put that on before any perfume or anything and you just smell delicious. Plus the oil itself is super moisturizing. And then for body moisture,

I will say the Flamingo did a body line that came out, I think this year, and they have a spray on moisturizer. So if you don't like to be all greasy, it is fabulous. And it's like 10 bucks. You, it feels like it's like a $50 product smells delicious. The can lasts forever. Um, so I think that's a really good moisturizer. You know what I like? What I'm going to give you two. I love it. I like Kiehl's Creme Decor. Around the holidays, they do a whipped version, which is actually, Jen, we were talking about this the other day, like a souffle kind of formula. I like a souffle kind of formula, but I think you can only get that around the holidays. And I really like, I haven't picked this up in a while, but I'm going to with my skin is like acting up really, really dry.

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No. No. No. Bougie. Bougie. It's a little bougie. Bougie. Bougie.

I'm talking about like lip smackers. I think all... I have to say like if I were limited to like if somebody's like Jessica Matlin and you can only buy a drugstore like makeup for the rest

of your life i think like just across the board l'oreal paris makeup is beautiful it's i think their formulas are beautiful i think voluminous mascara is amazing i think like makeup artists love it for a reason we have had so many people on our podcast recommend l'oreal voluminous mascara i think it's come up maybe a hundred times. What about Great Lash? Are you Great Lash fans? No. No. Why? Pinky green tube smudges on me. I'm sorry. Love you, Maybelline. Yeah. I love Maybelline, but my lashes need something more powerful.

Okay. I will be nice to Maybelline because I'm going to shout out, I actually have right here, their Superstay Matte Ink. I am not a fan of a liquid lipstick I feel like I forget which of our guests said that it was like cat butt yeah like a nude matte liquid lipstick on your lips look like a cat butt and the older you get the more cat buddy it looks so but I've sort of stayed away from that category until this Maybelline Superstay Matte Ink. I think it has the flex of a cream lipstick, but the staying power of one of those liquid, like long lasting lipsticks. And I think it's like $8 a tube. I still don't like the nude colors. I still get a cat butt vibe from those. So this is like a bright, it's not a bright,

it's like a deep blue red. It's exhilaration love it it's like you thought you were gonna look like Andrea Jolie but you just ended up looking like Farina's butt what is a trend that you guys keep seeing on social media that you wish would go away and what's a trend that you love that you're here for that you want to stay can my trend be the way products are presented like where they like apply them completely incorrectly. Let's not even get into Gwyneth Paltrow and her sunscreen, but in general, like putting the dropper of serum, like on their forehead and it drips down. I'm like, nobody applies skincare like that. Like if you're doing it for the camera, you're probably not doing it correctly. I want to get away from that. I am am never gonna do that on my youtube channel ever because

you just said that what about a trend that along their cheek and it's like dripping down if it's the ordinary that red one and it just looks like blood dripping on your face on tiktok so i would like people to apply their products correctly okay a trend that you want to keep and a trend that you would love to a trend that you want to keep in a trend that you want to keep and a trend that you would love to, a trend that you want to keep and a trend that you want to go away. I feel like, you know, when I was like makeup, what does that say? It's like, what is, what is the trend? While you're thinking I can give my trend I like.

Yes, please. I am really feeling the brow, brow like fullness. When everybody like stops over plucking, I still see a little bit of the two contoured type brow, but I really like the fluffy brow. I think, and when it's brushed your hairs, even if you don't have hairs and you microbladed in. So like, don't worry if you actually don't have the brows. Like I feel like that fuller upward and outward facing brow is so flattering on so many people. And so I would love that to stay around and not go back to the 90s skinny, skinny brow. I agree so much. My makeup artist the other day had the best tip. She used a rough paste for hair, but put it on her eyebrow brush and brushed my eyebrows up.

And they were so erect. I cannot even tell you. It pulled my whole face up like a facelift. Yeah. Those brow waxes that have been coming out, they're hard to use, but once you find the right one, it's such a good look. Agreed with you. I want that trend to stay too. I think I have one. So it's kind of like with general, not specific. So the trend that can stay is wait i just like a face out is like one that's gone away i like the fact that we're not seeing a lot of like the crazy like on instagram remember like the all that instagram face with the heavy powder like you know like that it's like that's gone away but over overly makeup overly contoured yeah yeah yeah i like that there's like more fresh face okay so it's

kind of like a little bit of a circuitous answer I do feel and tell me if you guys notice this that in New York it is all about the fresh face whereas LA it's like such a heavy look I noticed that it's it's a different it's a different look and I also noticed even going farther plastic surgery looks different in New York it's all about not looking like you got anything done whereas correct LA is more overfilled everything is is like you know huge and pulled and tight and tugged I think that LA I'm predicting this will start to follow New York a little bit more I I would like that because I I don't love that overly done aesthetic. I think that would be nice. But I don't know.

Why do you think that they're going to follow New York? Like, what's your reason? I just think that the overdone look is going out. I think it's not youthful. I don't think it's a youthful look. And I think people are going to start to realize it's not about filling your lips every six months. And they're going to change. I feel a shift about filling your lips every six months and they're going to change. I feel a shift happening. Do you think there's a celebrity though that's gonna

like, is there a celebrity you think though that's gonna kind of drive that though? Like, I feel like there's gotta be somebody who's gonna, somebody's gonna have to kind of lead that, that, that look. You know who I think great, and you guys have probably already had him on your podcast, is Dr. Janko. He wrote that book, The Park Avenue Face. And I think the plastic surgeons in LA are going to start seeing that it's more about soft. I could be wrong. I don't know. I also see the housewives, the difference between Beverly Hills and New York. There's a difference. I can't explain it. It's something.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you see it. You don't have to use words. Yeah. You see it. Yeah. I think, I don't know. I think we're going to see a shift.

For sure. I mean, germs too from Miami. And they say that the Miami thing is the lips are still the thing in Miami. Like you want to look like you got them done. Otherwise, why did you get them done? And that just isn't flying. Can you imagine that in like Paris? It's so funny how each it's so different in different parts.

Well, do you think I have to ask you like I actually had this conversation last night. I did a clubhouse chat with Rone hirsch dr ranella hirsch and we were talking about plastic surgery and you know the different aesthetics and and you know injectables and different aesthetics and she said you know some people don't want to she works she practices in boston she's like nobody you know people think that in boston nobody gets injectable she's like absolutely not that's not the. They just would never want to even breathe a word that they get things done. But she said, to your point, like in LA, there is for some people, again, I'm putting huge, huge, like this is big generalization. Some people, when they get work done, they have want people to know,

because it's like, well, got and went through the trouble to get all of this thing you know done they want folks to know like hey look at my new lips or my new breasts or you know whatever boobies whatever so do you think that in la people want to like hey if i got these new lips like i want to show them off or do you think that like that that's a whole attitude change like discretion yeah maybe maybe you're right maybe it is about showing off it's almost like a current currency yeah um yeah I think you're right I think in LA it is more about showing off what you got the new boobs the new lips but I will look how much I can spend. If I'm spending 15,000, you know, every six months on my face, I want to be able to show you look what I can do while in

New York or Boston. It's like, just I look fucking good. Yeah, that no, or you could be me who's like puts all that shit in her face tries to look natural, but then tells everybody about all the shit in her face. You are a very niche niche group jen i'm not most people don't i do think though with plastic surgery you have to be careful because and i've had my boobs done so like i'll just put that out there but i do think like if you get a certain look with your boobs what it ends up doing is it ages you because if you look at a Pamela Anderson, she had those bolt-on boobs. And by the time she's 45, you knew she was 45 because of the boobs she had. It's almost like, remember the French tip that everyone did back in the 90s?

And then if someone has that now, they have the square French tip, the nail. You guys know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, of course. You can almost be like, oh, they're like 55. It's like the trend almost backfires and makes you end up looking your age. Does that make sense? Olive and June, saving everyone's life. They have this at-home mani system, and I am telling you, it is the best. So basically, each at-home mani comes out to just $2, and you can do it yourself. So our biggest issue, I know, is that we can't possibly do our nails at home. I mean, you've tried. I've tried. They look like you are painting your nails with whiteout by a five-year-old. And salon manicures are expensive. Sometimes it's hard to get out of the

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So, and she was explaining that she likes to move people into the modern era trends and also ones that are appropriate to their age. Genius. Out of all the guests you've had on your podcast, what are a couple tips that you've picked up from guests

that you think just make all the difference? God, you know, it's like when somebody asks you something and you go blank, you know, like you feel stupid. Well, you know, it's like when somebody asks you something and you go blank, you know, like you feel stupid. Well, you think I'll give my answer then. Oh, you know it right away?

Well, yeah, because I actually knew it, but I made her say it on the show was Laura Geller about don't buy a magnifying mirror. Yeah, okay, yeah. There is no reason you need to see into your pore

or the mustache hair on the side of your face or whatever it is. No one can see you that well. Like you're not walking around with like the Terminator's eyes on you, like close up, like whatever you can see in a regular mirror is what other people are seeing. So no need to buy a magnifying mirror. There's also one tip from Sir John, the makeup artist that like I want to use because I love this tip and it's very much speaks to my magazine editor, like the person inside who wants to give you the tip no one else has heard. But like truthfully, I've never done it, which I'll share with you now. He likes to

say put your SPF 15 or 30 on as a base and then put like your SPF 30 or 60 as a highlight down the bridge of your nose, along the tops of your cheekbones. And then when you go out in the sun, you sort of get like this somewhat contoured look from wearing sunscreen, but you're protected. I got to try that. I bought you some time, Jess. Yeah, no. And I was more listening to what you were saying and thinking. No, you were supposed to be thinking.

I didn't. No, no, no. I was thinking like, and you brought this up the other day, so I feel like I'm kind of cheating. But I did like the thing that Bobby said about you kind of think about- Bobby Brown? Yeah, yeah. We had her on twice because she was that good.

We had her when she was with her brand, Bobby Brown. And then we had her after she left her brand bobby brown so she's like no longer with her in a brand so she said like you have like your there's like three elements right like your hair your clothes and what was the other one your shoes or something and your hair your hair your clothes and your makeup and like two of them have to be in check so jen what did she say no you've got it i have nothing in check right now this is like no one in check your brows look great right now so i would say your face is in check it's like you don't have to have like everything together but let's say like okay your hair bobby if bobby here is just gonna to be like, that's not what I said. Okay. So

let's take your hair and your makeup and your clothes. Like you're, you're, let's say you're wearing slumpy dumpy clothes, but your hair looks awesome. And your makeup looks awesome. You're fine. Let's say you're wearing, your hair is not so hot. Your makeup is just a lip balm mascara, but you're wearing like a sick blazer or like a beautiful blouse you're fine it's like well conversely too we didn't get into this but i think and i think other editorial makeup artists have said if all three are too perfect that's also not good boo boo yeah because then it's like not fashion i completely agree with that that is such a good tip and you don fashion. I completely agree with that. That is such a good

tip. And you don't even know you agree with that until you said that I totally, if you're all like pristine and perfect, it almost is like, try too hard. Yeah. The hairstylist was just saying like, she'll do someone's hair for the red carpet, but then that fly away, she's like, don't think I, I did that on purpose. She's like, if you see a flyway on my red carpet hair like i wanted it there like just to give it a little zhuzh or a little something you know yeah and then there's something else and i mentioned this a lot so if anyone is like you said this way before like a fine whatever but like orlando pita said this thing that i just really it was like a kind of like knocked the wind out of me I was listening to we're interviewing him the very beginning of the show I think it was like a single digit episode

and I was kind of feeling a little like I don't like Instagram I think it's stupid I don't want to have to do this do I have to do this for work it's annoying and everyone's on it is annoying and he i asked him about instagram and he said and but mind you this was like 2016 and i was like what do you think i was like what do you think about instagram and like he's like well i noticed that for different jobs and stuff and for everyone who doesn't know orlando pita is a big hairstylist he was like one of the biggest hairstylists in the 90s and like early 2000s worked with madonna like on many upper like evolutions he still he works with bizarre all the time like he's still huge he's like and some you know i know that when people get hired for gigs

they look at their instagram following like right away like it's not just like oh you know your book or your you know portfolio he's is like, it matters. And he goes like, if you ignore Instagram, it's like ignoring the railroad or like the radio, like throughout history. He's like, it's just like modern, you know, like all the people are like, I'm just going to stay with this horse. I'm okay. Yeah. And he was very like unemotional about it. Like I was kind of like, not like leading question, but I was like, yeah, like yeah like what do you what do you think about that like and I was just like thought he was going to be like a little like dishy and he was like no it's like it's he's like it's just ignore it at your own at your own peril I mean he like moved on and I was like oh shit like I should

really like continue to do Instagram and I don't like love it I'm not a huge social media person but it kind of like changed the way I thought about some of the technologies that I don't love but I'm like all right like I can't be like super pissy about it I mean it's hard when TikTok comes out it's hard to like constantly evolving, but I just feel like you have to keep disrupting the industry that you're in. Yeah. And I'm not a big, I will say I'm not like on TikTok, like doing anything like I know what it is. You're not dancing on TikTok, neither am I. No, like I draw a line. I don't want you to think that I'm like, so that's why I get involved in every platform. Like that's not my point, but it was just like a little bit of a mind shift for me at that moment

that was probably important that I needed. Speaking of Instagram, what is a trend on Instagram or something that we always see on Instagram that's worth the hype? Worth the hype? It could be makeup. It could be skin. For instance, we see Glossier all the time.

Is there something there? We see a lot of these tanning companies which you guys already mentioned but is there something that we see all the time on instagram that you're like that is something that i use all the time probably depends on what you're what you're seeing don't we all see different things yeah that's very true when you said glossier i was like i don't get served their ads i don't get served or maybe the people i follow are like maybe a social media heavy brand that's that's that's sort of famous on instagram that you guys see all okay i don't know if this is famous but i just kept getting the ads and i finally bought it and i was like this shit is good it's not quite beauty but it's called it's a type of towel

now i just i know you're very into a towel, like a luxury, cherry towel, like big and fluffy hotel. A bath sheet, not a towel. You want a bath sheet. Well, they get wet. Like I don't want to wash a towel every time I take a shower and I hang it on the back of the door and they just hang there wet. So these Onsen, as in like the Japanese hot spring is the name. They are waffle weave cotton, super thin,

but I am telling you they dry like the bejesus and then you hang it up and like two hours later, your towel is completely dry, but yet they're still warm and soft, like a little bit rougher than a terry cloth. But I kind of like that because it's sort of like a little dry body brush as I'm exiting the shower.

So I don't know, but they're not cheap and I have not regretted the purchase at all. Sold. Boneson, yeah. Okay. But I also think it's so personalized. I think if anything, and also I'm a contrarian, so anything that gets too hyped,

I'm immediately like, let me find out why that's not actually true. Yeah, if I get served something a lot, I'm immediately like... Suspect. Yeah, I don't know. You know what, Brand? I'm immediately like suspect. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You know what?

You know what brand I read? I feel like I'm like, I have a little bit of a Bobby. I feel like I'm like being paid by Bobby. I'm really not. Jones wrote, got a lot of hype and I am actually really liking her Jones road products. I need to try.

That's that's Bobby's new brand. Yeah. I need to try. She sounds like she has all the tips. It didn't. Didn't you interview her her for you i interviewed her for my book but not in person for the podcast and she seems like she has the tips she's got good like life tips i would honestly be just like your auntie that you just like bring her there get her a margarita you'll have a great night perfect yeah i i really like would love more life advice from

her not just makeup advice you guys what's your serum what's your moisturizer what's your eye cream tell us a little bit about your skincare routine i'm sure you have a couple but what are your go-tos that you're always reaching to well first i'll say i actually i'm not a big fan of eye cream agreed i think overrated. I think, yeah, I just put my serum and my moisturizer close to my eye. And then for the sag, you know, I rely on filler and my temples to give me like a little bit of a lift and I don't really get the Botox around my crow's feet. Cause I kind of like that outer smiley bits, but I get lots of Botox in my, in my 11s between my brows. So that's my eye cream

is actually injectables, but then serum. I am the hugest fan. Jess is like sick of me talking about it. Skin Medica TNS. I'm going to go to the bathroom. Yeah. I'll be come back in two minutes. It is, but there is no retinol retinol in it. I am very sensitive skin. So I retinoids can aren't great for me. It has epidermal growth factors. And honestly, if the FDA knew what it was talking about, they would make these a drug because they are so effective. But the marketing claims on this particular serum,

they shy away from becoming drug-like claims. But I will tell you, because I'm not the FDA, it's like a freaking drug. What do you mean? You said they're like a drug. Are they like little, what is it? Is it like- Epidermal growth factors? Is it like a little little pill or what does it look like oh i'm so sorry it's an ingredient it's just they're actually like cytokines and things like that they're the the basically in

a petri dish they grow skin cells and the extra good stuff that isn't the actual cellular like body matter is what is epidermal growth factors. I like I have an expert on to explain it to you better, but what they do for your skin is basically like a retinoid plus a bunch of other stuff. So there's brightening, redness reducing, line reducing, and this serum, they're expensive though. They're really expensive to make them well. And this serum I think does it. But my thing is I'd rather save and invest the money on something like that than buying all different kinds of products. And you guys probably know.

Yeah, I only use that in moisturizer. That's so smart to me because as someone who tries products all the time, and I feel like you both can relate to this, there starts to become a time where your skin's like, no more of this random stuff all the time. Enough. And it just wants like one thing for a while. I've noticed that about my skin. It's too many products is not the move, I don't think. Not at all. And then you don't, the variables, you're like, well, which one was the one that did the good thing if I'm trying three different things all the time? So I've narrowed in on that as my, pretty much my go-to serum. And then I'll play around with moisturizers right now.

I'm using the Strivectin Skin Barrier Moisturizer, but. That was a goodie. Yeah, that's a goodie, but I'm not, I'm not married to it. I'm willing to try. Jess, do you have any favorites? So I'm popping around a lot right now. I've like, for like the first, for like the last month,

I've been like preparing. Jen's gonna like hang herself when she hears me talk about this move one more time. I was preparing for the move and now I've moved and all my stuff is packed. So for the past like week and a half, I've just been using La Mer. This whole thing? the cool gel cream my skin's actually been really irritated for the past month jim we can talk about that offline

but like i've been really irritated like all itchy all over my body it's been pretty nice but i've not been using serum i've not been using anything but like eye cream and then this cool gel cream so i'm using an Estee Lauder. The, the, the, with the fanciest one, the gold, the gold series.

What is it called? Uh, you know what I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about. The fanciest, fanciest gold cap, not renewed. Yes.

Renewed, renewed, renewed eye cream. Very nice. And La Mer gel cream, cool gel cream. And I'm not a gel. I do not like gel moisturizers, but this one, I would not kick it out of bed. It's really good. And I'm just, it's like no, that's two steps. That's my two step routine for the past like week and a half. But normally I like a vitamin C and a retinol sometimes, but like twice a week, I like vitamin C and retinol sometimes, but twice a week, I can't tolerate it anymore.

And that's it. But I bounce around. I do bounce around. This is like the hazard of the job, because I have to try a lot of things for my job. I think that you two are the best people I've ever had on the podcast to ask this question. So I hope... Tell me, give me the real detail on what I'm about to ask you. Okay. What is the best high-end beauty product that is worth it? If someone is listening right now and they're like, I only have the money to splurge on one thing.

How much money do we have? Let's say sky's the limit. Like we're going to, we're going to, I mean, not like $10,000, but let's say we have money to invest in one product. Could be a tool, whatever it is that you think is life-changing for skin. And it's not injectables. It's not injectables.

Oh, damn it. Damn it. I knew that's what you were going to say. I was going to say a neuromodulator. Okay. You're not going to like this answer, but sunscreen. Oh, I do like that answer. I love that answer.

Actually, look at the name of your book. Yeah, I love that that answer. I love that answer. Actually, look at the name of your book. Yeah, I love that answer. It's my favorite answer. Which brand? I really like the Elta MD UV Clear. I think whether you have oily skin, dry skin, sensitive skin, it's almost invisible. Men like it too. It's great with facial hair. A lot of people with facial hair, that's why they don't like to wear sunscreen. It gets all caught up in the little facial hair. A lot of people with facial hair, like they, that's why they don't like to wear sunscreen gets all caught up in the little facial hairs. The L to MD does not do that. And I have been preaching this for, I used to work at a teen magazine for 20 years. There is no point in you buying anything for your skin, anti-aging, whatever, you're not wearing sunscreen. And if you only have money for one product, make it sunscreen.

It also is anti-aging, not just because of the UV protection. There are so many studies showing like people's skin gets less red their pores look smaller their lines look less even when they just wear sunscreen and do nothing else like it is an anti-ager so preach preach preach i've only tried tried the elta sunscreen that's tinted so now i need to try the clear try the clear okay and i love that you just said that because my husband has like crust on his beard every day from sunscreen and it's like just I'm unwell from it it's it's like crusting off and it's white and it's too much for me to see so we're gonna get him that unwell unwell um I'm gonna throw one that's not as like practical like one that's just a little

bit more fun you're really getting the Jess and Jen experience right now. Go ahead, Jess. Yeah. One that's just a little bit more like sensual. The Sizzly Black Rose Collection is to die for. I have to 100% agree with you. And it's the most beautiful bottle. And the product is so good. Product is so good. It feels like heaven. It smells delicious. The mask is the mask where like, if my skin doesn't feel nice, if it feels tight, if it feels like a little like itchy or it's, and I will say it's not like a sensitive skin product. So it's not like, oh, this is an itchy skin product, but if it just feels like it could be feeling better, if I put it on for 10 minutes

or 30 minutes i feel better after i love that you gave sisley black rose the most glorious like sensual beauty and i gave elta md clear sunscreen no those were two great recommendations i don't feel sexy with elta i know it's just so indicative of the two of us it's funny what are you guys working on what's next tell us what's happening we have a summer of like big banging major guests I just I don't know if you've looked but like July is like celebrity central I don't know if you look well we've recorded them but I don't know if she saw the schedule for July yet I I'm just gonna warn our diehard fans we love to throw in like a random guest like the guy that makes soap or like the weird academic that'll teach you about whatever and i know that is like our bread and butter but we've lined up some really

good celebrities for july so i'm very excited about that i can't wait but yeah some some big names yeah what else and we just got a new logo that's cool new logs shout out to jess who yeah which episode would you recommend to someone that's new to your podcast if you could pick any episode which one would you tell them to go to the first christopher buckle episode oh my god yeah oh yeah okay remember we said tips okay so bob bobby great tip i can't believe i forgot this tip because we just talked about the other day i started like you can't see it so much right now but kicking up the blush he said i love christopher so much he's like after this is mariah carey's makeup artist this is clean yes okay he is and also like one of the funniest men on earth he's like after a certain point he's like if you don't wear a blush, you look like a thumb.

Oh my God. I will never unhear that. I am always wearing blush. Hold on. Hold on though. Is it the apple of the cheek that we apply it? Or is it a little bit up the cheek? Where's the spot?

Just put it somewhere after that put it on your fucking lips put it on your tits just put it on get it on okay okay would you did you die i heard that i was like just find me some now it's like i picture patrick star like i just like a big beigey pink like pointed like yep a thumb so we've had him on twice but the first time've had him on twice, but the first time we had him on that episode, that's a good one. A second spot.

We never have people on twice. I was like, when are you free? It was so funny. And then, but then that, that first episode was great. And listen,

I think a lot of people don't want to be, and I understand this. It's like not very now to be like, you have to wear makeup or like once you hit a certain age, you must put on more makeup. That's not the point of what he was saying. But like for those people who feel like they, something's happening,

like they're not happy with the way they look after a certain, listen, I'm about to like hit a big number and I'm like, I feel like I need more, more makeup. And like, I am the audience for that episode. Cause I'm like, I feel like I need more, more makeup. And like, I am the audience for that episode. Cause I'm like, Christopher helped me out.

And he gave amazing tips. He's like, yes, your face is looking, is losing color. Like naturally your lip line is disappearing. That is actually happening. Like he could really, your lashes are like, he gave, he wasn't condescending. He was just like, you're not imagining things and here is what you do and he had me cracking up like peeing my pants the whole way through that sounds like a great place to start is it called the thumb what's the episode called is it called the thumb

no but google christopher with a k buckle and that'll come up and then i'll throw in one more called ask a pharmacist that is still one of our most popular episodes. It's Ian Ginsberg, who he has a family-owned pharmacy called C.O. Bigelow that's been in his family for hundreds of years. He went to his customer service center for his pharmacy, got the 10 most asked questions that they get again and again

and brought them on our show and answered them. And it was an awesome episode. Ooh, that sounds really good. Yeah. Yeah. He's super charming. Where can everyone find both of you? Pimp yourself out. Tell us all the details, your website, your podcast, your Instagram. Fatmascara.com. That's our handle for Instagram. And I'm Jen Sullivan, which is like Jen edit, but you don't have to follow me. fat mascara and our podcast is everywhere spotify apple all the things stitcher i do really think the audience will love your podcast they're probably already listeners but if they aren't it's very beauty focused i'm a fan i love what

you guys are doing i am going on your podcast now you guys have to go listen to that episode oh my god yes come on thank you both for taking the time. I picked up so many tips and tricks. I almost wanted to pull out my phone and take notes, but I'll just relisten. Thank you guys. Thank you for having us. Do you want to win a copy of the skinny confidentials? Get the fuck out of the sun. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post and tag a friend, tell a friend about our podcast. It helps the community growing. And someone will slide into your inbox and one of you will win.

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