The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Gary Brecka & Sage Brecka On Biohacking Longevity: Decode Your Blood Work, Balance Hormones & Live Healthier For Longer

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

#866: Join us as we sit down with Gary & Sage Brecka – the powerhouse couple revolutionizing the wellness space. Gary, a human biologist & leading voice in longevity science, spent over 20 years predicting mortality before pivoting to optimize human health & extend lifespan. Now, as the founder of The Ultimate Human & co-founder of 10X Health, he uses data-driven biohacking protocols to help high performers reach their peak. Alongside him is his wife Sage, COO & co-founder of 10X Health, who helps scale their mission to transform lives worldwide. In this episode, Gary & Sage discuss their journey of building a functional wellness clinic, critical findings you should be looking for in bloodwork, the role of blood sugar regulation in weight loss, how to identify deficiencies, tips for managing genetic mutations like MTHFR, the effects of estrogen dominance, & how to truly optimize your health!     To Watch the Show click HERE   To Watch Episode #802 with Gary Brecka click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Gary Brecka click HERE   To connect with Sage Brecka click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   Join The Ultimate Human VIP Community at https://theultimatehuman.com and use code SKINNY to get your first month free – plus receive a box of H2Tabs, available for a limited time.  To learn more about H2Tabs visit https://drinkh2tab.com/?ref=SKINNY and use code SKINNY10 for 10% off for a limited time.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential For a better choice and peace of mind in your home, shop The Skinny Confidential Non-Toxic Toilet Paper at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com/products/toilet-paper.    This episode is sponsored by AG1 Head to http://drinkag1.com/skinny to learn more.    This episode is sponsored by Prolon Just visit http://ProlonLife.com/SKINNY to claim your 15% discount and your bonus gift.   This episode is sponsored by Jolie Head to http://jolieskinco.com/SKINNY to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping.   This episode is sponsored by Daily Look For 50% off your order, head to http://DailyLook.com and use code SKINNY.    This episode is sponsored by Bobbie Bobbie is offering an additional 10% off on your purchase with the code TSC. Visit http://hibobbie.com to find the Bobbie formula that fits your journey.    This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp Give online therapy a try at http://betterhelp.com/SKINNY and get on your way to being your best self.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her show. Today we're bringing back one of the most viral talked about guests we've ever had on the show, human biologist and health optimization expert, Gary Brekka. But this time he's not alone.

Today he's joined by his powerhouse of a wife, Sage Brekka, a fierce advocate for nervous system healing, spiritual wellness, and deep mind-body balance. Last time, Gary dropped truth bombs that had the community buzzing from fasted workouts to estrogen dominance to why our tap water may be destroying our health. Today, we're going even deeper, curing chronic illness, resetting the nervous system, pregnancy protocols, thyroid myths, and so much more. Get ready because this one's going to change how you think about your body, your brain, and your energy forever. With that, Gary and Sage Brekka, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Gary Brekka's episode obviously crushed it.

People loved, loved, loved when you came on the show. And I wanted to meet your other half, Sage, who we have here. Thank you. I wanted to see, there's a lot of, I know this with Michael, there's a lot of puppeteering that has to happen when someone's very talented. And I know you're very talented and you have to have a very strong partnership.

So I was interested in having both of you on the show. So welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having us. We're so excited to be here. Yeah, we've done a couple podcasts together on the ultimate human, but we haven't been on a lot of podcasts together. No, that's actually true.

This is kind of a, not the norm. Let's get a little context before we hop into it and take 500 rabbit holes like we said. How did you guys meet? So you want me to take this one? Yeah, go ahead. So it was a third time's the charm situation. So we both got divorced from our ex-spouses

at about around the same timeframe. And when you get divorced, everybody wants to play matchmaker. And so my sister Kirsten and her husband Brady, Brady had known Gary for what, 10 years or something? He's been a friend of mine for a long time. A long time. They both immediately were like,

you guys should meet. So we met, but it was too early. They both immediately were like, you guys should meet. So we met, but it was too early. It was kind of like that phase where you go, I'm never getting married again. Yeah. I think I'm done. So it was just kind of a high five,

nice to meet you moment. Then I think a year or two later we met again, but we were both actually seeing somebody at the time. And then at the next time, it was actually the third time we ran into each other at like a networking event. And I gave him my business card and I was like, let's go meet for business lunch. Originally it was to meet for business lunch

for me to do lunch with her boss. And then I was like, I'm gonna try this. And I was like, we don't need your boss to go to dinner. I hit send and I was like, all right, that's either gonna go really good or really bad. The worst she could have said was no. I think she fired back a smiley face and I was like, yes.

At what point did you guys realize that you were synergistic when it came to building the business as well? Well, I mean, that came about, I mean, the business was a surprise. I was in the life insurance space and had a restaurant in town. She was in real estate. She was actually renting out some of the condos that I owned above the restaurant. Well, that was one thing that I, so my mom has been in real estate for decades in Naples, Florida. And she always did high-end rentals because we have such a seasonal population down there.

So he shows me this cute little restaurant that he owned and there were four condos upstairs that I was like, you're not renting these? It's right on the beach. And he was like, no, I hadn't even thought about it. I'm like, dude, we can make some money off of this. So my sister is an interior designer. She came in, designed it all out,

got all the construction done. We put it on the market and we did really well. So that was actually our first business running it together. I sort of managed all the rentals and it did really well. And how did it evolve? Because I'm curious how you guys work together, live together, raise kids together, have a partnership,

like do all these things. It's rare that you meet, you guys know, couples that are doing it all together and it seems like you are. How did that evolve? You know what's interesting, so I have three kids and she has one and eventually when she moved in, it was like kind of perfect because my three kids,

we had a five bedroom house, I had a five bedroom house and three bedrooms were upstairs. So my kids already lived upstairs and we had one guest bedroom downstairs. So it worked perfect when Alina came in. And I think it worked perfect because my daughter's the oldest. So she, and she's definitely the alpha of the, my

three kids. Madison rolls the roof. Madison runs the show. We love her. And you know, even my son, you know, both of my sons who are like six feet, 210 pounds, like Madison still is running the show. You had girl, boy, boy. I had girl, boy 210 pounds, like Madison still. They don't mess with Madison. Is running the show. You had girl, boy, boy.

I had girl, boy, boy, and then girl. But it worked out because Alina was like five and a half years old. She was just like kind of this cute little girl. So she was so far away from Madison that there wasn't any friction there. Maddie really adopted her like a little sister and they shopped together.

And then the boys, I'm not even sure they knew somebody was living in the house for two years. And they realized, oh wait, maybe she's gonna stay. You know, kind of aloof. But it just fit. I mean, God just put us together at the right moment. And you know, one day I came home and I decided to quit my job in the insurance space.

It just got to be too much, you know, looking at spreadsheets, predicting death. And I told her that I quit my job that day and that I wanted to start a functional wellness clinic. And how long ago is this? Eight years. Part of this too, I think, came about because I had gotten into a car accident a month after we met.

I was in Colorado. I was skiing in Colorado. He did not come with me, but on my way back to the airport in Denver, I got hit by a teenager, 15 year old kid that was learning how to drive. I was just in so much pain after that. I think a lot of this sort of came about

because he was always trying to figure out different ways to get me out of pain. And we tried all the different routes before I ended up, it led to spinal fusion surgery. She knew I happened to have an L5S1 spinal fusion. So we're like early in our dating career and I'm literally carrying her to the bathroom because if you've ever known somebody who's had spinal

surgery, I mean, after spinal surgery, you're completely incapacitated for a few weeks. I put the little tennis balls on her walker for her and put stickers all over it. And I, you know, in some ways it just kind of really brought us together because, you know, she, I was responsible for all of her care. She just moved in and then she had this major surgery. And then it wasn't long after that, that, you know,

she got back into a real estate career and I was doing life insurance the entire time. And when I quit. But he really wanted to do this thing. And he had a concept of not just opening it right away. Like we didn't just say, oh, okay, we're just gonna lease a space and try this out. We thought, okay, we're gonna bring business

into an existing business, but it was an urgent care center. And we very quickly realized that urgent care, where there's emergencies going on, and things like B12 shots and testosterone and IVs. And peptides and wellness. Yeah, this doesn't really mix. And one of the funniest stories that I laugh about

is that there was literally a lobby area where people were waiting and we had just had a hurricane. Someone came in with a chainsaw injury, bleeding all over the place, and sitting next to someone that was literally coming in for a B12 shot. So we were like, we should probably open a bone spot. You're here to pick up your peptides?

Yeah. And don't worry about him, he'll be fine, the nurse is coming. That's how business is though. I feel like that you pay attention to the sticky parts and you have to cut where it doesn't make sense. If Gary Brekka told you, Sage, that you need surgery, you must have needed surgery.

Because to me, one of the takeaways I got from our first episode is he has come into people's life and say, hey, you don't need surgery. Let me tell you what you actually need. So you must have really needed the surgery. I did. I went two years after the accident and we really did try all the things,

but there was like a day where I just couldn't walk anymore. It was just, the nerve was so- Yes, spinal degenerative disc just- Pinched and- Looked like a sheet of paper instead of like a, you know, a thick disc. And there was so little space left in the spine. It was compressing the nerve and, you know,

impingement system, you know, syndrome, radicular pain, all the things. My left leg just felt dead all the time. But if you're gonna fuse a level of the spine, it was compressing the nerve and you know, impingement system, you know, syndrome, radicular pain, all the things. My left leg just felt dead all the time. But if you're gonna fuse a level of the spine, the best one to fuse is that L5S1 because it's the least mobile, right? So it's the most stable, it's the least mobile. When you do the cervical spine, you get these hyper mobile.

Don't worry, don't worry, we can edit it out. I don't want you to stress. Which is exactly your mom's phone, which she said, will you make sure? I did. It's the alarm for, it's a six o'clock alarm. Oh, to really take my vitamins. For you to take your vitamins?

She reminds me every day to take my vitamins. Believe that in, that is so cute. Because we believe so much in methylation. I do. I'm the vitamin Nazi in our house. She has this theory that I'm like instant asshole if I don't take my vitamins. And I just, I just, I'm just more focused.

No, you just bounce off the walls too. Do you wanna take your methylated vitamins on air? I don't think we even brought them with us. I don't think we brought them, yeah. I think we left them at the SMA. He's gonna turn into a werewolf. So I might just become an asshole. I'm gonna turn into a werewolf.

By the way, put a pin in that because I wanna ask you about methylated vitamins. Okay. Okay, go ahead. So anyway, I come home one day, say that we want to start this clinic, we move into the urgent care center, that ended up being a very bad move. So then we took over basically a bankrupt vitamin shop.

It wasn't bankrupt, it was just, you always say that and it sounds bad. Well, they went out of business. They went out of business. It was just an empty space that you lease. Okay, it was a vitamin shop, they went out of business. And then we took it over and it was, maybe they space that you lease. Okay, it was a vitamin shot that went out of business. And then we took it over and it was, maybe they aren't, they didn't go bankrupt, you're right.

I don't know. It's how it feels to have a him and her podcast. Yeah. You get held accountable. Yeah, that's how you feel. Okay, okay, good. Just so you know. You just start to zone it out after a while.

You do? You correct me on air a lot. Okay, can you shut her mic off? And we'll just run with this. So, you know, we moved into this spot and, you know, much to my surprise that she was all in. I mean, I thought, I threw it out there and I thought there was going to be a lot of resistance

and I was going to have to explain to her how passionate I was about it. But she was like, you know what? Really that excited about real estate. I mean, let's do this. I was still doing like Airbnbs on the side. Yeah. And at what point does it start to take off?

Who are you? You guys have had- Not right away. Not right away. I think that's important to talk about. And who was your first moment that you were like, holy shit, we're onto something? Was it a celebrity?

Was it an influencer? What happened? I feel like there were so many struggles, especially financially, when you start a business and especially when you haven't done it before Like we didn't realize all of these different expenses coming our way And I remember I went to him one day and I was like After this is probably a year maybe and I went to him and I said, okay, here's where we're at This is this is what we have in the bank account. Here's all of our expenses.

In order to crawl out of this, I didn't think we were gonna make payroll the next month. That was one piece of that. And we were really struggling and it was just so frustrating because literally we would give stuff away just to get people to walk in the door. I mean, that's where you're at and and we would go you

know one by one by one we didn't know anything about social media we couldn't afford true advertising and we grew at very grassroots like one patient we would help one patient at a time and they'd say well now I really want you to help my spouse or my kids or my friends and so it was truly that but I came to him one day and I was like babe I don't think we're gonna make payroll next month. And so he was like, well, I guess we'll sell the house. It was an easy decision for me. What she said was we have about 60 days

until we're either gonna miss payroll or we're gonna miss the mortgage payment. So you have to decide, are we gonna miss the payroll or are we gonna miss the mortgage payment? And I like, well, we're not gonna miss payroll. So let's sell the house. And then we put the house on the market and it sold 24 hours later.

Yeah. Then we were like, crap, we should have probably raised the price of that. And so we downsized majorly and we put all that money into the business and- And then he took it one patient at a time, or two a day. Two a day.

He came up with a concept of just two a day. If he could just get two people in, new patients in, then that's where we could get this money and get it back on track. And I'm telling you, like for anybody that's starting a new business, create a goal like that. And because it freaking works. Only focus on, you know, there's a famous story

that Ed Milett tells all the time about when he was young and his father was an alcoholic. And he used to ask his dad all the time, like, dad, do you ever think you're gonna drink again? And his dad would say, I don't know if I'm ever gonna drink again, but I know I'm not gonna drink for one more day. And he would just, and it's a metaphor for that,

don't look so far into the future, right? Just figure out what you're gonna do tomorrow. And I realized that if I could bring two new patients in a day to this clinic, that we could meet all of our operating expenses. So that just became my goal every day, was two new patients. And day to this clinic, that we can meet all of our operating expenses. So that just became my goal every day, was two new patients. And what was fascinating was,

neither of us are licensed to practice medicine. So we had to find a nurse practitioner, we had to find an MD willing to hang his license there. And we found this doctor, Dr. Campa Moore, big shout out to you, who was one of the longest practicing anesthesiologists in town. And he was very skeptical in the beginning

because he was super allopathic. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna fix this thyroid by using methylated vitamins. We're gonna fix this thyroid, you know, we're gonna get this person off of blood pressure meds by doing this. And he sort of didn't believe it, but knew that what we were doing wouldn't harm anyone.

So he was like, okay, well, you know, I'm gonna trust you and we're gonna start to work the system. And what started to happen was like 10 or 12 weeks into these protocols, people were dropping thyroid medication. They were off of hypertensive medication. Losing weight. They were losing weight.

Sleeping better. Their sleep scores were improving. And he was like, I never see, like I manage patients for decades and they never get better. All these people are getting better. Like they're not coming into my office anymore. And, and some of them had rather severe, you know,

chronic conditions that his, that his anesthesiology practice was, was managing. And he, and he went all in with us and you know, then the business really started to take off. And I think anybody that tells you that you can be in business with your spouse and own a, have a business and have a relationship and that you can separate the two,

I think is lying to you. If you have a good day at the office, you have a good day at home. If you have a bad day at the office, you're having a bad night at home. It's also like, we talked about this a little with you last time when you weren't here. Like I don't want to be limited from discussing exciting things with my, like I always find

it strange when you're at home and it's date night, we don't talk about the business. Well, what if that's like really exciting for me that day? Like it just, it doesn't, it just doesn't work that way because then you have somebody that may want to talk about something one time and the other person won't and they're closed off. Except when there's displacement. This is my new word, okay? Displacement? No, let me tell you about displacement. This is my new word. I read about it in a book about therapy.

Displacement means that you had a bad day at the office, something went wrong. That's different though. And you come home and you don't like something the way I did something. And then the person displaces the anger from the office onto you. That's different though. That's like anybody can do. I mean, if you can have a- That's what happens when you're in business with each other.

It does. You can have a friend that gets dumped and then he takes it out on you because it's really nothing to do with you. Displacement does happen though when you work together and you live together. It happens. I just wanted to use that word. I tell people not you work together and you live together. It happens. I just wanted to use that word. I tell people not to work together.

I laugh because it is, it's hard to work together because sometimes I just, I would have to remind him like, babe, I need you to play the role of my husband and just listen about my bad day that I had. Oh, they don't know how to do that. It's very difficult. Marry a woman. Yeah. Marry a woman. I don't even know if that actually solves it. No, they don't know how to do that. It's very difficult. Marry a woman. Marry a woman.

I don't even know if that would actually solve it. No, I just want to solve things like right away. Like she wouldn't even finish her sentence. I'm like, well, just do this. You know, like, can we just, so here's the solution. Next topic. Just listen, just listen and don't act like it's just so easy to solve.

And I'm like, just listen to me. Maybe just give me a hug. Let me cry it out and give me a hug. And I actually don't want to hear you. Just comfort me. I mean, it's not just me. He's learned. He has learned.

Cause she would start a sentence. She'd be like, you know what? Jason came into the clinic today and I got so upset. I'm like, stop talking to Jason. Okay. What else happened? We did have an employee named Jason. You know how Homer Simpson goes into the grass?

When I start talking, I want him to just be the wall. Like, don't say anything, don't react. You're missing that meme. He literally backs away and goes through the wall and escapes the wall. I don't care where he lives. The point is that I get to talk and you're shutting up and you're just listening with your ears.

OK, let me ask you this. With your ears. Not with your mouth. And we covered a lot of this stuff. I highly suggest everyone go and listen to the episode we did with you previously. But for the majority of people that were coming into the clinic in the beginning,

what was the majority of the issue that you were helping them solve and that is maybe applicable to this audience? A lot of weight loss stuff. A lot of weight loss, a lot of brain fog, a lot of poor sleep, a lot of joint pain, and a lot of undiagnosed hormone imbalance. Like, you know, women would come, so we were right down the

sidewalk from an LA fitness. It was, it was actually the busiest LA fitness in the country in Naples, Florida. So that created a lot of foot traffic for us. Cause people were going in there, oh, there's this clinic here. And they would just come in and they'd sort of lay their problem on the desk. And at that time it didn't matter what they said. We would say, yeah. Oh, poison ivy hives.

Yep. Great. Don't hurt. get in here. So. You don't listen? Come on in. Come on in. Got a problem, I will solve it halfway through your sentence.

And what was astounding to me was, I'm a human biologist, so I'm not licensed to practice medicine. And we had a medical clinic and there were medical professionals there and there was a nurse practitioner there and a doctor. But most of these people would come in and they would take this medical history.

And now we go, you know, this is kind of easy. Let's not overcomplicate it. You know, you have these labs here and it says that you have hypothyroid, but you're not taking any supplementation for the thyroid. Thyroid doesn't even make the majority of this hormone. So let's not talk about medication, let's actually talk any supplementation for the thyroid. Thyroid doesn't even make the majority of this hormone. So let's not talk about medication, let's actually talk about supplementation.

And we would, it was astounding how many problems the doctors were allowing us to solve through their license just with basic supplementation and lifestyle changes. We would look at these labs completely different because I'd read medical records for a living and immediately, just like me wanting to solve her problems, they wanted to immediately diagnose. And I was like, let's look for the deficiency, right?

Let's look in these labs, look at all of these deficiencies. No wonder there's no testosterone. No wonder they can't produce testosterone. They have no vitamin D3, they have no DHEA, and they have a high protein in their blood called SHBG, sex hormone binding globulin. And it was fascinating to me that they only knew about vitamin D3.

And so, you know, we would explain it to the practitioners and they're like, you mean we can put them on these basic supplements? What were the common things for weight loss why people weren't losing weight? It was kind of different for men and women. With women, it was a lot of not understanding their blood sugar and they were exercising to,

they were eating to lose weight, but they were exercising not to lose weight. So they were exercising to be cardiovascularly conditioned. And so these two concepts don't go to the same parties. They don't really like each other. So a lot of women would come in and say, I wake up in the morning, I have a cup of black coffee, I'm fasted, I go to Orange Theory, I go to LA Fitness,

I go hammer down for 45 minutes or an hour. I've been doing this five days a week for three months and I haven't lost a single pound. We heard that all the time. All the time. It's too much cortisol, right? Too much cortisol, but we would look at their blood, you know, when we would look at their blood,

I would say, you know, you're hypoglycemic. Like your hemoglobin A1C, the three month average of your blood sugar is 4.8. Okay, so that's, if you know what this measurement is, it looks at 90 day average of blood sugar. If your average blood sugar is low, that means half the time you're below that, half the time you're above that, you're not a candidate for intermittent fasting when you have

blood sugar that low. And so what they would do is they'd do the same thing that their husband or their boyfriend was doing. Their boyfriend was doing great intermittent fasting because they were poor at controlling their blood sugar. So these women would have a really narrow feeding window, eating window. They would exercise intensely in a fasted state. They would burn all of their lean muscle. It would send their cortisol into a tailspin. Their thyroid would start to slow down in an attempt to save their life because the thyroid will perceive, the pituitary will perceive low blood sugar as

starvation and it will start to slow your, your metabolism down. So we'd see their metabolism really slowed down. We see their sugars are really, really low. Their hemoglobin A1C, three month average of their blood sugar was really, really low. They developed something called reactive hypoglycemia, which is actually where your insulin goes through the roof.

So they got insulin resistant. And then they became insulin resistant. And then what follows, because the pituitary doesn't just regulate your metabolism it also regulates your menstrual cycle. Right? So it drops these hormones down, luteinizing and follicle stimulating hormone down and it moves a woman from follicular to ovulation to luteal and as it moves her through these phases these the the the hormones need to leave the phase, leave one phase and enter the next phase at the same time, right?

You want them going like this. You don't want them going like this. So what would happen is a lot of these young women were very estrogen dominant. The first sign of estrogen dominance is water retention. So they were bloated and water retensive. They weren't fat. This is exactly what happened to me before I got pregnant with my first baby. I would fast like him.

I was like, oh, he's intermittent fasting. I would just have a coffee. I would go work out in the gym. Before I know it, I have thyroid problems. I have insulin resistance. I had all the, and then you get pregnant on top of that. And I didn't know anything about weightlifting. This is five years ago.

And it's a fucking nightmare. It's a disaster. And it's a fucking nightmare. It's a disaster. And it's, we've just, we've been fed as women a long time ago, like don't eat fat. A lot of don't eat meat. Don't lift weights. That's going to bulk you. Don't, that's going to bulk you. And it's like. It's like the whole myth behind creatine.

I mean, you know, if you're a woman over 40, you should absolutely be taking. You know what's so funny, Gary? We had a bunch of clips do very well, on the show the last time you came on and one of the comments that I thought was funny was, it's like, oh, here's a man telling women how to live. Why do you feel qualified to tell women how to live? I know what you're gonna say.

I'm actually truly not telling you how to live. I'm just giving you the science behind your labs, right? I'm just giving you the science behind your labs, right? I'm just giving you the science behind your labs. You know, what was really astounding too was our practitioners, even our doctor at the time was like, wow, I can't believe she's 26 years old. We need to put her on hormones. I'm like, no, we definitely don't need to put her on hormones.

So what do you do? We need to expand her feeding window. We need her to start working out, not in a fasted state, but in a fed state. A fed state of protein, a fed state of fiber, what do you recommend? Minimum 30 grams of protein. Within 30 minutes of waking.

And we're just gonna have her do steady state cardiovascular exercise. The old Tim Ferriss four hour body theory. You know, it's funny, because Tim gave me a shout out on a podcast the other day, because his book sales took off after I started. Because I always give him credit, because I actually read that theory and I-

It's a great book. It's a great book. It's a great book. And it's easy. League of Titans. He's written a lot of good stuff. So we would expand their feeding window, fix their nutrient deficiencies, vitamin D3, DHEA. We would get the SHBG if they weren't, if it

wasn't because of birth control, we would lower their SHBG with just minerals like Boron. And we would give them minerals, amino acids, vitamins, expand their feeding window, change their workout from intense fasted cardio to low intensity steady state cardio or weight training in a fed state. And their metabolism would just turn right back on.

Was this wild for you to see, especially as a woman? Because like, you know, as you collect friends, as you go on in life and you see that's a topic when you go for happy hour with your friends. Yeah, exactly. Was this shocking to you or did you already know all this? No, I knew none of it. I have zero medical background, never thought I was ever gonna touch it or be near it.

And now I can spit off so much great information just from learning from him and being around all these different people that have had all these life-changing stories. But then I also had my own life-changing story that helped me learn it. So one of my stories when I became estrogen dominant, and when we talk about estrogen dominance,

one of the main symptoms is getting this like tire around the belly. And I've always been relatively thin, the estrogen band, yeah. So like right below the belly button when women are just like, oh my God, I feel so bloated and that's where they're carrying this water weight. That happened to me and it was all because I was taking the wrong form of supplements. And so it was like I went to go pick up my youngest daughter, multivitamin, just the gummy, you know, kids multivitamin, and thought, oh, I'll pick up this other, you know, brand of vitamins, women's ultra multivitamin.

I think it was CVS where they lined the shelves, picked it up, started taking it. Over the course of the next four months. I mean, it was very exact. I turned in to a crazy person. So, and I got like, I was carrying weight in weird ways. Good idea, Gary. Yeah.

Just listen, don't say anything. Yes, we listen and don't judge. He helped me through this. Well, you know, try to, no, you did after the fourth month. Yeah. But. I just thought she was going nuts. Yeah.

But it's like we had been together for five years at that time and he was like, what is going on? I mean, we talked about last time when she gave birth to our first child and she was postpartum. I had no idea what was going on. He's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, you. You.

Yeah, exactly. But you also were in a state you? I'm like, halos. You. Yeah, exactly. But you also were in a state where you're just like, I don't know. I actually don't know why this is happening to me. And we went, there was a lot of stress to the business for sure, but I don't know. I just, there were days where I didn't want to get out of bed. There were days where it took all I had to get to the office and, you know, and run the show there. There were days where I wanted to kill him, you know?

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The two things that I've learned the most about, and I feel like I have a box that I can really speak intelligently in, in this space because it happened to me. Outside of that, I'm like, nah, I can't answer any of those questions. But the two things to look out for, B9, vitamin B9 and vitamin B12. So being-

You don't want those. No, you do. You just want the right forms. So there's a lot of synthetic manmade laboratory versions of these vitamins because it's cheaper to make. The natural versions are a little bit more expensive. It's not like off the charts expensive though.

So vitamin B9 is the real version, the natural version, is 5-methylfolate. So the cheap version, the man-made version, is folic acid. The majority of America and definitely, you know, countries outside of us, but know about folic acid because it's so heavily pushed on pregnant women, right? So I'm sure you went to gynecologist, you're pregnant, and they're like, we want you to take a prenatal with folic acid, and I think you guys probably covered this before, but if you have certain genetic markers and certain genetic breaks of which I do, it's called MTHFR,

I cannot convert the folic acid, I can't methylate it into 5-methylfolate. I tell people I'm allergic to it basically because that helps people understand better what happened, but it's a deficiency because of MTHFR, I need more folate in my diet, in my supplementation to bring my levels up to a normal range. But folic acid, a doctor, my gynecologist, every year that I go in for my annual exam, we get into an argument about it. But I tell her, I'm like, I can't process folic acid.

So I just need folate. And she's taken huge, this multivitamin had very high doses of folic acid. So I just need folate. And she's taken huge, this multivitamin had very high doses of folic acid, like enough for pregnant women, and had very high doses, like 23,000% of a form of B12 called cyanocobalamin. Yeah, that's the other one. Neither of which she could process.

And it sent her into a tailspin. I mean, it culminated in her actually in the office one day, she actually for the first time, had a panic attack and she had it right in front of me. And I was very empathetic to the panic attack, but I literally said, we're gonna figure this out. And I grabbed a Q-tip while she was having the panic attack. And then I helped her, but I cheek swabbed her.

I actually was like, I'm getting some DNA. So she was laying on the floor, crying. I stepped over and I cheek swabbed her. I was like, just let me get some DNA, babe. And then I put it in a Ziploc bag. And then I, you know, tried to walk her out of the panic attack. And you had never tested her before that? No, I'd never tested her for this gene mutation before.

And what was astounding was she was positive for the MTHFR gene mutation, affectionately called the mother for her gene. So this is where I really started, like the light bulb went off for him and I really started to dig in and understand this. So when I got my LabCorp blood labs back, it tests for your vitamin B12 levels. And that was like sky high,

through the roof couldn't be measured. But we also did a cellular nutrition assay test, which is what measures the vitamins at a cellular level. Inside the cell. Inside the cell. And I was almost completely deficient in B12. How do you do that test? What is it?

It's a blood test. It's a blood test, okay. Yeah, Cell Science Systems has one. There's one called the ALCAT. There's one called the cellular nutrition assay. But yeah, basically what it does is it measures the difference between what's in your blood and what's going into the cell.

Because very often people see really high B12 in their blood and they think, oh, I'm taking too much B12. It can be the polar opposite. It could be that you're not absorbing it. Right? So if none of it is being metabolized by the cell, then your levels are going to rise. So if you take the wrong form of B12 and majority of people that are taking cyanocobalamin are taking the wrong form, then what happens is it skyro that are taking cyanocobalamin are taking the wrong form.

Then what happens is it skyrockets in the blood, but it never moves into the cell. And this is what we found on her blood test. And the light bulb went off for me because we saw these sky high levels in the serum of her blood and no B12 inside of her cell. And- So then he started asking me, he's like,

what are you taking that you have so much B12? And then we just, we basically just pulled everything out. It was like, okay, what am I eating? What am I taking? I was like, oh, I started this multivitamin, stupid gummy multivitamin four months ago. And that was, we did my lab review with one of the practitioners and she was like, that's it.

You can't process cyanocobalamin. And I was, it was in like powdered drinks. It was in protein shakes. It was in, like I started to see all these places where it was in like powdered drinks, it was in protein shakes, it was in, like I started to see all these places where it was in my diet. And then folic acid is also sprayed on most of our grain source. So I was eating cereal in the morning,

this is kind of before I really got like into the health kick, I guess fully, but I was having cereal in the morning or a bagel with cream, you know, cream cheese or something, I was bad. Superdoses of folic acid. All of that had, there's folic acid in our grains. So unless I eat organic or imported grains,

then I will, my anxiety will come right back. I'll be super depressed. So that's what was happening is I was just getting high doses of folic acid and cyanocobalamin, and it made me nuts. There was a reel that I saw the other day that said the best decision that you can make for your family is to change the bread in your house. Wow, that's a great.

And it was so cool. We found this little local sourdough place here that has three ingredients because of your episode. Amazing. And changed the bread, and my son was getting little bumps on his arms, and they immediately went away. In their wild?

It's just, it was like yeast, whatever the other thing. Like sourdough? Yeah, flour and water. That's another ingredient. Yeah, like a good sourdough is great and that's why a lot of people can eat grains and cereals and breads and pastas in Italy. And then you, you know, in the U.S.

you just blow up like a tick. Yeah. Because folic acid is a completely manmade chemical, right? You can't find it anywhere on the surface of the earth. But it's in everything. And it's in the big breads, the big brands that Ryan was, like the brands we think they green wash it.

Yes, they green wash it. Yeah. So here's another thing too, that I then my mind started racing. I was like, okay, so then we got all the kids tested. And then, so for my daughter, you know, when I only had my daughter, Alina, and then came into Gary's family with Madison, Dylan and Cole.

But I realized like, gosh, Alina, I would give her, I know it's bad to say brands, but I would give her orange crackers. They were shaped like fish. Shaped like fish. That are the worst for cavities. I just found out. Worse for cavities.

Yeah. Circled cereal. I know you always get Cheerios. I'd take her to the zoo. I'd give her all of these snacks, which are standard. Okay, Cheerios is not a partner of the show. If they were, I'd bleep it out now. Okay.

We've gone to trouble before. We've gone to trouble before. Good. But I'd give her handfuls of these snacks and then she'd be in like full blown meltdown mode, like temper tantrum, like crazy. And then you think they have ADHD. Yeah. This is how it works.

Or I think they have this, I was telling Michael this the other day, our kids are pretty even keeled. We take them to a birthday party every fucking time. Every time. There's a tantrum. Yeah. Because the red whatever, or the whatever's in the can.

Oh yeah. And there's a tantrum. And he's looking at me like, who are these kids? And I'm like, this is what happens when they eat what all these things that you guys are talking about. And if you want to know the why, the why is exactly this. Cause rarely does anybody tell you what ADHD is or ADD is or even what anxiety is.

No one ever defines it for people. And so I mean, I just like to define it is or even what anxiety is. No one ever defines it for people. And so I mean, I just like to define it so they know what it is. Cause attention deficit disorder is not an attention deficit at all. It's an intention overload disorder, right? It's too many windows open at the same time. And so people that have ADD or ADHD,

they don't lack the ability to pay attention. They lack the ability to pay attention to so many things. And so this is, you know, just too many windows opening. So what opens these windows? What opens them is a rise in something called catecholamines. And this is a category of neurotransmitters linked to fight or flight. So at baseline, you have catecholamines circulating around in your brain and your blood stream right now. But if they rise, you'll be in awakened state. If they continue to rise, you'll feel anxious.

If they continue to rise, you will feel the sensation of a fear without the presence of a fear. And if it rises any further, you will have full blown anxiety. As they continue to rise, you can have a panic attack. And if they go higher than that, you will have full blown paranoia.

This is the same cascade of neurotransmitters just at increasing levels in your brain. And so once you understand that it's this rise and fall of this class of neurotransmitters called catecholamines, then you can go about saying, well, what breaks down catecholamines or what causes them to rise? Well, in children and men and women

and the whole population, population roughly have somewhere between 44 and 60% of the population have this gene mutation. And so they have a difficult time breaking them down and things like folic acid will exacerbate it. So this is why food is very linked to mood. If food drives excess catecholamines, food can drive anxiety, food can drive anxiousness, food can drive, you know, racing thoughts.

And then modern medicine comes in and says, okay, well, if your mind's racing, let's put amphetamines into the body to race the central nervous system to match the pace of the mind. And that doesn't make any sense. Why don't we actually just slow the mind down? Which is why all these kids are so over-medicated.

Yes. Why they're over-medicated. 100%. And it's really wild whenever we travel, if you notice, their personalities change a little bit because we don't have all the access that we have at our house of all these things that I've taken away essentially and added better

because you're traveling, right? Like we're in Miami, it's like I gotta do, what bagel is this? I don't know. I mean, I could Like, we're in Miami, it's like, I gotta do, what bagel is this? I don't know. I mean, I could travel with a bunch of shit, but like, fuck, add it to my plate. But the personality changes a little bit when they travel, I notice it.

There's two Italian restaurants in Naples where we- Yeah, I gotta text you guys next time. Oh, yeah. About where to go. Oh, for sure. Oh, 1000% will tell you. So, both are delicious, they're amazing. But the behavior in our children,

including even my teenager and then my nieces who are younger, the behavior is vastly different if we go to one versus the other. Very much so. Right? One's true imported. True imported, I'll even give a shout out, Barbatella's in Naples.

You go there, you can eat the pizza, you can eat the pasta, and you eat the bread, and you're gonna be okay. Your kids aren't gonna leave like crazy children. But the other restaurant, I love it. It's delicious, but I know that they add folic acid into the flour and, or they're just using, and I should specify, it's enriched or fortified.

So if you look for enriched or fortified flour, rice, pasta, cookies, crackers, whatever, that's not good. They're adding, when you see it and they're like, oh, we've added all these vitamins and minerals, that's a bad thing. They're adding things that are cheap and a lot of people just can't process it.

I have a question that is a bit of a followup, still in line with what you're talking about. You mentioned blood pressure at one point in line to a story you told us off air about a very prominent individual, which I won't shout out unless you do that you helped that was basically on the way to extensive heart surgery.

He's talked about it everywhere. Oh, Dana White. Yeah. Okay. But I didn't want to say it for you. Yeah, yeah, no, Dana's been very open about it. I'm waiting for you on the podcast. Dana White.

I was talking to him on the way in here. I know this is just a position. You wouldn't think of him on this podcast, but I find him really interesting. I wanted to talk about high blood pressure because there's a few things. One, what is the real marker? I feel like at one point people were saying it was

130, then it now it's 120. And then, but I've seen it moves up and down. Pause there. Right. And then the other I've seen it moves up and down. We'll pause there. Right. And then the other part, one thing I've also seen, somebody mentioned that actually high blood pressure can be solved by increasing the magnesium in your body so that your vessels aren't constricted.

So one, why do people have blood pressure? Two, how do we solve it? And three, what is the real mark people should look at? So, you know, this is another thing that we found to be the vast success in our clinics. And, you know, when our clinics really started, when our clinic, which was called Streamline Medical Group at the time, really took off before we sold

and merged with 10XL. And this was one of the things we started to become known for in town. And if you start with the concept that 70% of our circulation is actually not done by our heart. Most people think that the heart circulates all the blood in the body. It doesn't. It circulates about 30% of the blood in your body. The other 70% of your circulation is microvascular. It's done by an activity called vasomotor. So think of a snake swallowing a mouse.

So there's no pressure in the snake's throat. This is actually a muscular activity, vasomotion or vasomotor activity. So this is why, if you look at, and you can Google this, you know, what percentage of essential hypertension or primary hypertension or high blood pressure is idiopathic, is of unknown origin, 85%. 85% of the time when somebody is diagnosed

with high blood pressure, they do not know the cause. And what do they do in 100% of those cases? We medicate the heart. We hold the heart responsible for a crime it's not committing. So beta blockers, ACE inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, diuretics, we throw all of these things at the heart, even though the person has a full normal cardiac workup, normal EEG, EKG, heart sounds, lung sounds, even advanced diagnostics, cardiac cath, di-contrast study, all normal, but we're still going to

medicate the heart because we don't know why the blood pressure is high. So you just think about a closed system, right? This is a fixed system. If you make the pipe smaller in a fixed system, the pressure goes up. So what makes the pipe smaller? Well, one of the culprits, and if you want to look up the study, there's some phenomenal studies. There's a hypertensive journal

that actually published the link between homocysteine, which is an amino acid in everybody's blood. Everybody listening to this podcast right now has an amino acid in their blood called homocysteine. When this amino acid rises too high and it's not properly metabolized, so it turns into something called methionine. As it's cruising by the inside lining of the artery,

it irritates the artery. And if you irritate an artery, it will clamp down. And when you make these pipes smaller, it will drive pressure up. And so we spend very little time talking about the 70% of this circulation that's microvascular. So how do we cater to that? You cater to it by managing homocysteine.

If you have double digit homocysteine, you have some vascular irritation. And you can take a very simple amino acid called TMG, trimethylglycine. It's over the counter, you can get it anywhere. You know, our company makes one, but there, you take this amino acid and it gives you the ability

to begin to metabolize homocysteine. Because it's really fascinating about the human body. And I dedicated the balance of my adult lifetime to study of this, but just because I'm so fascinated by it. It's like we take one item and we use it in the human body and then we throw out the trash. And then that trash gets pulled into

another cellular transaction and it gets utilized. And then it gets tossed out as trash. And then it goes into another transaction. So you look like homocysteine becomes something called methionine. Methionine goes up to the brain and helps quiet the mind. Once the mind is quiet, it's metabolized into something called S-adenosylmethionine, SAMe.

And then SAMe is broken down into S-adenosylhomocysteine, which becomes homocysteine. So what's really interesting is there's like this sandbag pass in your cellular biology, passed from one transaction to the other. If you delete a nutrient from that chain of events, the chain breaks right there. So in other words, like if I was passing a sandbag to Sage, she passed it to you and passed it to Lauren.

If Sage dropped the sandbag, there's nothing wrong with the two of you, but there's nothing you could do. You don't get the raw material you need to do your job. And this is why, you know, our biggest mantra now is we're really just not as sick or diseased or as pathological as we think we are. Very often we are just nutrient deficient. So in directly to the case of hypertension,

the first thing I would check, unless your doctor can say you have hypertension because. And hypertension is high blood pressure. High blood pressure, yeah. Okay. Sorry. If you have high blood pressure because of this, we found this wrong with your heart,

which is 15% of the time. 85% of the time they're like, you have high blood pressure, we don't know why. And so then you know what they do, which is even more sinister in my opinion, is they go, well, let me look at your family history. Oh, your uncle has high blood pressure. But he might've got the same kind of diagnosis where they don't know. And your mother's sister has high blood pressure. Oh, you have genetically inherited hypertension.

And if a doctor ever tells you that, I would look him right in the face and say, well, then what gene did I inherit from my ancestor that caused this condition to exist? And their face will go blank because that gene doesn't exist. And if that gene doesn't exist because we rarely pass disease from generation. So there's no way that it's genetic is what you're saying. It's familial. It runs in your family, but it's not genetic. We assume it's genetic because it runs in our family. But once I get you to accept that you have a genetically inherited disease,

I can get you to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. Because I say, Lauren, you got this from your dad's side and your mom's side. You're screwed. You'll say, oh, I guess I'm going to be. Well, this is what they did with my thyroid. Well, so hold on before you go to the thyroid. But so, so if they came and they said, okay, we can't point to a condition in the heart and you, and I was your patient, what would be the things you would have

me look to in order to try to decrease my blood pressure in a more natural way? TMJ or TMG. TMJ. Yeah, TMJ. Oh, don't take medical advice from me. TMG, right? And you have a supplement that you can get.

Is it just that or like, you know, and when you're working somewhere, is it, are you prescribing other things? Is it- Like, is that what you use? I know with Dana, he's told his story. Like, is that the thing you- So Dana had one of the highest levels

of homocysteine that we'd ever seen. Okay. Right, and just to be clear, I'm not a physician. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. So I don't want to pretend to be a doctor because I'm not, but we would pull homocysteine on all of these labs. And the correlation between high levels of

homocysteine called hyperhomocystinemia and the, and the clients coming into our clinic that had high blood pressure. I mean, I don't know that we saw a case where that wasn't the case. I mean, it don't know that we saw a case where that wasn't the case. I mean, I'm not saying it's 100% of the time, but it could be as simple as this elevated amino acid causing this vascular constriction.

The other thing I would obviously look at is I would look at sleep, diet, and exercise. I mean, those are also great ways to lower your blood pressure. Lots of people are hypertensive because they are sodium deficient. I know that sounds mind numbingly opposite of what you've been told, but you know, if, if you

were so hypertensive, had your, if your blood pressure was so high right at this moment that you called 911, the very first thing they would do when they got here is they would bag you a saline. They would take sodium chloride and bag it into you know, and, and, and, and water and they would bag when they got here is they would bag you a saline. They would take sodium chloride and bag it and, and, and, and, and water, and they would bag you with it.

And you know, the, the, if you were so dehydrated right this moment that you landed in the emergency room, the very first thing they would give you is a saline IV. So I would look at mineral deficiencies. I would, I would, I would put them on a mineral salt. I would look at like a Baja gold salt. That's what we take. Yeah.

I think that's a phenomenal salt because it has all the other trace minerals and we're so mineral deficient and we don't think that minerals matter, but they do. Most people will tell you that our bones are calcium. They're not. They're calcium combined with phosphorus, which forms something called hydroxyapatite. So our bones are hydroxyapatite, but in order for hydroxyapatite to form, we need 12 minerals. If you're missing any one of those 12 minerals, you can't ossify bones, which is why so many nursing homes are full of men and women all over this country that have osteopenia or

osteoporosis and they've been on calcium supplements for 20 years, right? Mineral deficiencies. The calcium supplements are so- But we look at minerals- Can you jump in the ocean to get a lot of these minerals? Because every time I jump in the ocean, I feel better. Great for you. Yes.

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subscribe so you can make sure that you get it monthly. That's shopskinneyconfidential.com. You mentioned, we talked a little bit about thyroid and I wanted to ask you a question on air. Okay. So you told me I needed the thyroid support and I started taking the one that you recommended. But here's the thing. The ashwagandha in it, is that how you say that? Ashwagandha.

Gives me pimples. And I'm not a big pimple. I don't get, that's not my problem. I have other problems. Pimples are not my problem. Right. So what can I do if I can't get pimples. And I'm not a big pimple. I don't get, that's not my problem. I have other problems, pimples are not my problem. So what can I do if I can't take that one?

Take the version that doesn't have ashwagandha. So you're probably talking about the thorn version. Okay. Is there a version that doesn't have that? Yes, the thorns has thyroid support, pure encapsulations has one. With no ashwagandha. Right, it just has the selenium

and the other thyroid support nutrients. Remember, it just has the selenium and the other thyroid support nutrients. Remember, the vast majority of your thyroid hormone. I'm gonna butt in for a second. Please. Because what about, and I have no idea what your levels were, what it is, but did you talk about our bed situation

and what had happened with me? Oh yeah, that's another. Because I did a blood test and it showed that my thyroid was a little off. I haven't had thyroid issues to this point, but they were, maybe my T3 was too low? T3 was low. Okay, so we were trying to figure that out

because I hadn't had that issue before. And there's always something new in our house he's always coming up with. Like when you guys come to visit. We get it. I can't wait to see the house. I have a bad biohacking problem. I can't wait. I'm coming to check out the podcast studio in the OXA.

What is it? The hyperbaric chamber. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, he went a little too far when he put a hyperbaric chamber in our bedroom, but you know, we've moved past that. Okay.

So. She went skiing for four days and I put a hyperbaric in the bedroom. Like a ginormous. But not like a small one. Like a two ton hyperbaric. Like it's a submarine in our bedroom. Okay, it's a lot.

Get your oxygen while you do what you do. I moved on. But anyway, he put this thing over our bed. What is it? The silver. Pure woven silver fabric. It's basically. It looks like a tent over our bed.

Yeah, so it's completely EMF free. It's like Princess Bed now. So there's no wifi, no 5G, no microwave, no radio. No nothing., so it's completely EMF-free. It's like a princess bed now. So there's no Wi-Fi, no 5G, no microwave, no radio, no nothing, we sleep in a completely EMF-free environment. Get ready, Michael. The guy that puts this together, yes, I think you're actually gonna love this. So the guy puts it together, I'm like,

this is actually kind of pretty, it's cute, it's kind of like a princess bed. But he was like, you're gonna sleep awesome because you're not gonna have any EMF and all these other things. I slept like shit the first three nights. And so I texted the guy, I'm like, dude, this is not working. It's actually had the opposite effect.

I am wide awake. Just having hyperthyroid symptoms, like mind racing, heart. So he goes, oh my God, that's great. I'm like, what? He's like, are you taking a thyroid supplement or something, supports or something. And I was taking selenium, I think. And I just started it maybe a month before. And I was like, yeah, I actually just started

the selenium thyroid supplement. He goes, okay, stop taking it for a week and see if that helps. And I was like, and I have no idea what the science was on it, but as soon as I stopped taking it and gave it a couple of nights, or we went to travel, as per usual. And when we came home and I slept that first night,

not having had the thyroid supplement, and slept in the bed, it was nuts, I went right to sleep. And I haven't had thyroid issues since. So, but isn't the selenium helping with the thyroid? I'm confused. The selenium is helping with the thyroid. She was deficient, but as soon as she got an EMF-free environment, her thyroid function fixed itself.

It corrected. So then I was taking a supplement that was like messing it up again. Is that wild? Unbelievable. Like our sleep scores are now, I post my sleep scores all the time, but I mean, our sleep scores are off the charts.

I mean, I'm consistently in like 98, 100%. So what is the product called again? The silver? I don't know that it's even a product. Dr. Mercola sells one, but it's, it's basically a silver fabric. It's a hundred percent woven silver and we, and it's a a silver fabric. It's 100% woven silver.

And it's a- You put a thing on the ground and then it closes, like you open it up and then it closes. And you can't use your phone in there. Like I can't take a phone call. There's no reception in there. There's no wifi. It reminds me of the mithril vest

that Frodo gets in Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Hold on, this is where I'm confused though. Should, let's say you get this like 10 situation, you're sleeping in the silver tent, you don't need thyroid support then? She has not had it since. I have not needed, we have to be very careful about that

because I'm not giving medical advice, but yeah, I haven't needed it since. Okay. Which is wild. But again, my thyroid levels were not that far off. A lot of our organs are EMF sensitive, but I want to just finish answering your last question because 80% of our thyroid hormone T3 is not made by the thyroid.

Even though we measure thyroid hormone T3 in a thyroid panel, and then if it's deficient, we medicate the thyroid. That's what conventional wisdom says. If T3 is low, let's medicate the thyroid. Levothyroxine, Synthroid, Armour thyroid. So there you're holding the thyroid responsible for a crime it's not committing, because if you just think, well,

where does the other 80% of that thyroid hormone get made? The majority of it's made in the liver, but some in the gut and some in the periphery. But the point is that it's outside of the thyroid. And so if you look at the nutrients needed, selenium, sometimes iodine, complex B vitamins, if you look at the nutrients that are needed for proper thyroid metabolism to convert T4 into T3, deficiencies

in these nutrients can cause deficiencies in thyroid hormone levels. And now you're medicating the thyroid for a crime it's not committing. Which is why the pure encapsulations for me you think will be good because it's- Doesn't have osteogawa gandha. But also you recommended dim to me too. Yeah, diandola methane. And I can take both of those pregnant. You can take dim when you're pregnant.

Why are there women who are not getting pregnant? Why is infertility higher than ever? That's a great question. So I think that a lot of women are poorly methylated. And if you look at, there are a lot of women are poorly methylated. And if you look at, there are a lot of factors in getting pregnant. One of them is what's called adhesion, the implantation of the egg into the uterine wall.

This is called adhesion. The other one is the viability of your eggs. A lot of fertility is governed by this process of methylation. Methylation is what the body does to take all the raw materials that enter our body and convert them into the usable form. When you get certain deficiencies, like for example, if you want to have some fun, just Google MTHFR and infertility.

And so a lot of your female audience will find this, that when they read about MTHFR, which is the most common gene mutation in the world, when they read about this gene deficiency and its propensity to cause skyrocketing levels of miscarriages and an inability to conceive, you realize that my inability to conceive and if I've been conceiving my inability to carry the term because I've had repeated miscarriages, is highly correlated to this gene mutation, which means it's highly correlated to a nutrient deficiency.

This gene mutation doesn't actually interrupt your pregnancy, it interrupts your ability to metabolize folate. The deficiency in methylfolate is what's interrupting your pregnancy. Very often we blame disease on outcomes when the disease is the byproduct of a nutrient deficiency.

And there's very few diseases that you cannot trace back to nutrient deficiencies, right? I mean, this whole category of autoimmune, right? Which by the way is 82% of autoimmune diseases in women. You know, they're hot more and women are not more susceptible to autoimmune disease. They are more susceptible to something called caregiver syndrome, something, you know, they're,

they're more susceptible to poorly managing stress. What is caregiver syndrome? Putting the needs of others before the needs of yourself. Don't worry. I don't have that. Literally. I don't have that at all. You're just not affected by that recently either.

Listen, by the way, I can say, I'm comfortable saying that. I'm not like, of course I'm like a mother to my children, but I'm not going to mother my husband. There you go. And he likes that. He likes that. Yeah. His mother was, his mother doesn't have that syndrome either, which is good.

She's going to hear that. Your mom's going to live forever. She's gonna hear that. And she's gonna be like, your mom's gonna live forever. Your mother's amazing, she's the best mom ever. You're gonna put that disclaimer out there. No, it's not a disclaimer, she's the best mom ever. I think that that has raised a strong man who has attracted someone

who doesn't have caregiver syndrome. She doesn't have it any longer either. Not anymore. I did though for a long time. And then I had to just step back and go, you know what, y'all can take care of yourselves now. I don't have any more butts did though for a long time. And then I had to just step back and go, you know what? Y'all can take care of yourselves now. I don't have any more butts to wipe for a long time.

Yeah. I don't blame you. I mean, you know, that's the... You're right in the thick of it. I wanted to know what was the first celebrity that spoke out about you guys, because all these celebrities talk about you. You did a podcast with David Grutman. He talked about how you changed his life.

He's a huge support. I mean, thank you to Dave. Ivanka Trump on your podcast said that I got her onto a perfect amino. Everybody we come across is talking about you. And so what was the celebrity that sort of tipped the iceberg? And what did they talk about?

Kardashians, I think, when we went on the Kardashian show. But we met them through Dave. Yeah, we did, Dave introduced us. Dave has been, Dave Grutman, thank you very much. He has been, he just, you guys had known each other for many years, but then he really, you know, got on the program and changed his life and his wife Isabella, they're just like fabulous people.

Such good people. And he just knows everybody. I mean, he's the king of Miami. And he was so kind to always, I mean, he would FaceTime Gary and be sitting down with the most wild people. And he'd FaceTime Gary and be like, Gary, you need to talk to this person.

They got this problem, that problem. You gotta fix this. You gotta fix them. He would throw me on a FaceTime with someone. Usually very famous. Was he the one that started connecting you? Or was it Herman and Isabella, they started connecting you guys and then you started helping.

Yeah, I mean, in all fairness, the Cardones, when we merged with 10X, when we went from being streamlined to 10X Health, the Cardones introduced us to a lot of people in their circle. One of Elena's friends, Gary Casem, is who introduced us to Dana White. But prior to that, Dave Crutman was introducing us to everyone under the sun.

And we can publicly talk about it because we ended up being on the show. But introduced us to Kendall Jenner. Why I watched the show, what is the episode you watched? We were on the season finale of Hulu. I was keeping up with the Kardashians. I think that I maybe hadn't met you guys yet. It was the new one on Hulu.

Okay, and so I maybe, I need to go put it together and watch you guys on the show. So you helped, did you help her with anxiety? Held her with anxiety. Okay, and did it work? Worked, like a charm. So all these people just started singing your praises, but what I think's so cool about what you guys have done

is it's been really organic. It seems like you've really helped people and they have such value in what you guys have done that they organically talk about it. That's what I feel. Yes. I mean, you've been able to help so many people and that's clear, but who have you come across that you've not been able to help?

Like something that's beyond your scope of powers or information? Or is that rare or is it typical you are able to? I don't know if you can say a name, but... Yeah, I can't say a name, but I mean. Or what condition I guess. Yeah. So basically poor compliance is really, really hard to, to help someone. Like a lot of people will introduce me to a loved one and, you know, that has a certain condition. Now we always get a medical team involved, just to be clear.

But a lot of times when, when you're introduced to somebody, maybe they don't respect your level of knowledge or maybe they don't know who you are. And they're exhausted because they've gone to- Or they haven't sought it out for themselves. They haven't sought it out for themselves. And they're very non-compliant or very often we've had the doctors talk them out of

Yeah, that too. a lot of the advice that we give. And why is that the doctors do that? We had, we had one case, someone that you guys know very well, actually, Lauren's talked about this, so I could talk about Lauren. You know, we, we were working with her husband with JR before he passed away and she spoke about

this on the podcast and JR was just doing amazingly well because blood work was literally perfect. And the four of us, JR and Lauren and I, and doctor were on the phone and our, our doctor, I was complimenting JR and his, his blood labs. And he brought up the fact that his primary wanted him to get this booster. And I was like, look, JR, number one, you've

already had COVID, you've already, you have the antibodies, we can see them on your lab results. You don't have an autoimmune one, you've already had COVID. You have the antibodies. We can see them on your lab results. You don't have an autoimmune disease. You're not at high risk. You're healthy. Your blood work looks perfect. You know, you're exercising.

Your inflammatory markers are all within normal ranges. Your C-reactive proteins, your CPK is down. Your liver function's off the charts. And I wouldn't say that we had an argument. We had a very intense conversation. Lauren was a part of this and his doctor was adamant about the booster. Now he'd already had COVID

and he already also had the initial vaccine, the two vaccines. And then sadly, he got the booster and developed something called Thromycytopenia. How do you guys manage all of that? Like how do you, How do you guys manage all of that? Like how do you, with what you guys do, what, do you not touch it with a 10 foot pole?

Do you do it behind closed doors and have conversations? You know, always be honest and so will she when people just ask for advice and guidance, we're always honest. You know, and sometimes it creates a lot of friction. Like we truly feel like we don't have any competitors. And when I say don't have any competitors, I don't mean we're better than anyone else.

I believe that there are so many people out there that are doing good things and doing the right thing for humanity. Like all those brands I've just shouted out, we have no affiliation with any of them. When I sent you to Thorne, I don't have an affiliate link. I mean, when we sent you to Pure Enca I don't have an affiliate link with that. I mean, when we sent you to peer encapsulations, that's created a lot of friction for us in some,

some business relationships we've had. Because I think that advice needs to be truly authentic. Like if you feel that symbiotica has the best charcoal binder, then you should send people to symbiotica. I mean, you know, if you feel like Next Health has the best therapeutic plasma exchange, you

should send people to Next Health. And we've had a history of doing that. And so we're very straightforward with clients that we work with, but in terms of someone that we haven't really been able to help, I mean. I remember one, I don't even remember their names, but the husband, it was, you know, a couple came in and, you know, a couple came in and,

you know, the team put together a great protocol and the husband was on it. And I remember like he lost a bunch of weight. He felt great. He had energy back, libido came back, like all these great things. And he's like, I feel amazing, but my wife refuses to do any of it. And that was a struggle for them. And it was, I remember, you know, they got on the phone and, and he was like, can you basically, can you talk to my wife about this and get on her? And I think you ended up kind of firing the wife. I fired her as a. So you fired her as a patient.

This is all. Not worth our time. I mean, I guess what I was maybe asking, and if I wasn't clear, I'm sorry, was more of like, are there conditions that you can't, like if there's thyroid, you can help, but there's anxiety or there's high blood pressure. Are there things where when somebody calls you that are common issues that people have,

and you're like, listen, this is not what I do, and you gotta- Yeah, outside the box. Yeah, there's those that are outside the box, but there's always something that you can do for the host. Like for example, I wouldn't treat somebody for cancer. I wouldn't care for somebody with cancer. However, the majority of conventional cancer treatments

and therapies are going after the villain. They're not caring for the host. And we don't develop a care plan for the person and for the cancer, we develop a care plan for the cancer. And I have a very close friend of mine documenting it. I'm sure he wouldn't mind me talking about it. You know, who is right now is who's dying of cancer. And he's a 35 year best friend of mine. You know, we've known each other since we were very young,

pledged the same fraternity to get together. He didn't catch it until late stage. So he is late stage, stage four metastatic cancer and it's already spread. And so he was at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale and we went out and we went out to see him. She even did a post about the food they were feeding him. Okay, can we just touch on that for a half a second?

We walk in, he's in like the ICU unit of Cancer Wing or whatever, the Mayo Clinic. Sorry, Mayo Clinic, but I walk in and his lunch was three jars of red jello, a thing of applesauello, a thing of applesauce and a ginger ale. And Seagram's ginger ale of 54 grams of sugar.

When he was having like a burping thing, like he was like, I had painful burps and he asked the doctor about it. Cause you know, he's just asking the doctor all the things they're like, well, we'll give you a pill to stop the burping or whatever. I go, how about I don't feed the guy who's ginger ale.

Like with all this sugar, you've got cancer. Cancer feeds on sugar. What is this? And I did a post about it and I don't do that a lot. I try to really keep a happy thread of things, but I posted it and I was like, this is not okay. And it started quite the conversation of people saying, yeah, this is BS that my kid had cancer

or my grandparents or my spouse. And that's the same thing. Like for dinner one night, they gave him an option of a vanilla milkshake. So you had vanilla ice cream, probably cheap peanut butter and Hershey's syrup because they wanted him to put on weight. And this is at the ICU at Mayo Clinic.

I was like, what is this? So when you guys came in, what were the tools that you gave him? So when we came in, first of all, we needed to be in the room with him and his family when Mayo came in and said the really hard things, which was essentially six months, maybe a year with massive chemotherapy, surgical resection, radiation.

And I believe that that shoe needed to drop because his will to live is unbreakable now. And so I found him, a colleague of mine who's a naturopathic oncologist. I also found a fully board certified oncologist. I found a board certified interventional radiologist and we collectively put together a care plan.

So essentially as soon as he was stable enough to get out of Mayo, I hired him a full time. Which they did do a good job of that. They did, I mean he was set, they stabilized him. They saved his life. So shout out to Mayo Clinic for saving my friend's life. But as soon as he was out, we developed a really aggressive care plan.

So he has a keto chef that makes all of his meals, micro greens. It's very, very clean ketogenic diet that he's on. I showed them a red light therapy bed. He sleeps on a PMF mat. He has a surgically clean air filter in his room. I put water filtration in his house so that he has four stage reverse osmosis water filter.

I add hydrogen gas to his water before he drinks it. I'm a huge believer in hydrogen gas. I think it's probably the greatest health hack that nobody's doing right now. And then what we did was he, you know, now that he's on keto and he has all of these things at home, instead of doing surgical resection of all of these tumors, the interventional radiologist

goes in with a catheter and actually cryo ablates the blood supply to these tumors, the interventional radiologist goes in with a catheter and actually cryo-ablates the blood supply to these tumors. So you use argon gas, which just freezes them, this outpatient, walks in and walks out. Then we developed a whole care plan for him as a host. So he gets regular EBOO, EB02 ozone therapy. So his blood is taken out, it's run through a blood filter and then he gets ozone gas added to it. And it goes back in the other side. If you look at the, the, the amount of mold, microtoxins, heavy metals, parasites, viral

pathogens, BPAs, glyphosate, jet fuel that came out of his blood. It is mind-numb. Why jet fuel? Because they're in accelerants, they're in hairsprays, they're in hair sprays, they're in aerosols, there's aluminum in the hair. Stop with the hairspray, this is your sign.

Don't start it with me again. Ah! Ah! Ah! Oh, please. We did this two episodes ago today. Solid hairspray. So we did something to revive our wellness.

We did this two episodes ago today, that's why I had to shut it down. You know, when fish get sick, we clean the tank. And we don't just treat the fish, right? We clean the environment up. When humans get sick, we treat the human. Radiology. We never clean the tank. And so if you look at when he started doing these blood filtration, and you can get Ibu anywhere, I'm sure there's one, a clinic that does it within five miles of here. And when we started ozonating his blood,

when he started getting the heavy metals, the mold spores, the micro toxins, the viral pathogens, we started clearing these things out of his blood, all of his biomarkers came back, his stools returned to normal. And now the next phase is an additional blood filtration technology that's gonna take the circulating tumor cells out of the blood. And then we are enrolling him in a program

called immunocene, which is, by the way, this is all being supervised by US medical doctors that are licensed to practice medicine, that are board certified in oncology. And what this is, is the belief that we believe more in what God gave us than what man makes us. And if we can get the immune system to identify the cancer as a foreign pathogen, then the immune system will do the dirty work.

So there's something called dendritic cell vaccine, which is in the immune system, a dendritic cell is kind of like the cell that runs to the front lines and looks at what uniform the enemy is wearing and then goes back to the base camp and tells all the troops, Hey, this is what you're looking for, go kill them. Right.

It's like a scout. And, and it tells the natural killer cells, this is what you're looking for, go kill them. Right. It's like a scout. And, and it tells the natural killer cells, this is the uniform the enemy's marrying. So, so you, you, you take a sample of the cancer and you take their own immune cells, you introduce them, you have the immune system, identify the cancer as a foreign antibody, and then you expand those immune cells and you put them back into their, into the person's body and

the immune system turns on the cancer. So that is our path. All outside the US. And those two, two parts of that treatment are done outside of the US because we already knew what the alternative was. Right. So it's six months, maybe, maybe a year.

So why not just try everything. Why not try the thing. Yep. So, so again, you know, it's just months, maybe a year with all this mess. So why not just try everything? Why not try the thing? Yep. So again, it's just in caring for the host, his whole life has turned around already. He's a different human being today than even when he found out about the diagnosis. He's strong, his protein markers are good, his blood is alkaline, his color is back. Mental health is positive. What a rewarding situation you guys are in.

It's really cool to watch and to see. I mean, I think even just this podcast, everyone who's listening has got to have learned something. Before you go, I have one question about hydrogen. Michael overdosed. He got gas. Can you tell us the perfect cocktail? I was taking too much of it at one point.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He took too much. Yeah. So you can take too much, right? You can. So, you know, I use the H2 tabs.

I brought you guys some parts of those. They're so good. I had the raspberry one. Yeah, the raspberry is good. Amazing. So it's elemental magnesium. You drop it into your water and it makes high part per million hydrogen gas. Okay.

And if you look at the studies on hydrogen gas, it, I mean, there, I think there's two categories of people, people that are not drinking hydrogen water because they haven't read the research and the people that have read the research and drink it every single day. Because it is the lightest, most prevalent element in the universe.

10% of your body weight is hydrogen. It's hard to hurt yourself with hydrogen. So how did he hurt himself? He just. I didn't hurt myself. I just took too much. You, yeah, you, you had too much of an antioxidant effect.

So hydrogen gas is a selective antioxidant. So in other words, it doesn't lower the normal oxidative stressors. It lowers the bad oxidative stressors, hydroxy radicals. So if you just take one of those magnesium tablets, drop it in water in the morning, we do it every day.

And if you're flying, always take one on a flight. It will completely negate the effects of travel, the radiation, the static electricity, the barometric pressure and the dry air. Which is the first thing in the morning, just drop it. Just the first thing in the morning, drop one. I might have to steal some from you guys.

And it's not even, it's like a dollar a day. The great thing too, is it helps you absorb your vitamins better. But a big note that I'll talk about is my daughter last year, we went skiing and she got tonsillitis. So, and then, and then she got like strep throat and another round of tonsillitis and it was

just back and forth. Poor baby, like her, I don't know how she was able to breathe. Her throat was so swollen all the time. And of course, every doctor was like, you're gonna have to have tonsil surgery. We're gonna have to take them out. And we, I have to give Dave Asprey a shout out today

because we had dinner with him last night and I told him this story that he said on a podcast with Gary about it potentially being mold related. And that's why we couldn't get it to go away. So we ended up doing a mold detox protocol with her. And then she took those H2 tabs and I had her, well, she would do like two or three at a time, three at a time, gargle with it and then swallow it.

And I'm telling you, between those two things in the last month, we're in massive difference. I am so excited because I was terrified. I didn't want her to have to have the surgery. And it's totally, it's lowered the inflammation in her throat and it's, I mean, it's honestly the best it's ever looked. It's freezing.

You guys are amazing. Can we get a code? I didn't ask you this. Can we get code skinny? I think I gave it last time, but I'll put code skinny. And if anyone signs up for my VIP program, which is essentially my online coaching program, then I'll send them a free box of H2 tabs.

That's cool. So if they sign up for VIP and put it Code Skinny, I'll send them a free box of H2 tabs. If they just want to buy H2 tabs, I'll give them Code Skinny. They can use Code Skinny. What's the website? Theultimatehuman.com. Theultimatehuman.com.

Go get the hydrogen tablets. I'm also going to buy the TMG for my dad. Trimethylglycine. And then if people wanna say hi to you guys separately on Instagram, where can they find you? I'm just at Gary Brekka. I'm at Sage, S-A-G-E, working her Brekka, cause I haven't fully transferred my name out.

She's added the Brekka finally. But I added the Brekka. because I haven't fully transferred my name out all the way over. She's added the Brekka finally. But I added the Brekka. I like to make money. Changing your name for another time is not easy. I took a while to change my name. We got married in her, she didn't change her maiden name for like what,

two or three years, but it was legally public now. We're starting that window now. Publicly. I like to play tricks. I'm like Instagram was easy, you know? Well we got turned around going through TSA the other day because like, you know, But social security and that's much. Going through TSA the other day because like,

you know, the ID didn't match the, you know, the ticket and they literally would not let her go through. I have a spreadsheet going of like all the things I gotta go and attack to change my name. It's a lot of work, it's not a joke. You guys are great on a mic. Where can everyone find your podcast? Leave us with that, come back anytime.

Theultimatehuman.com. And we'll see you in Miami. In the oxygen chamber, not in your bedroom. Next time we'll do the podcast in the hyperbaric chamber. Done. Sold. Deal. Done. Thank you guys. Awesome. Thank you guys. Yeah, you're welcome.