The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Gigi Gorgeous: The Truth About Hormone Therapy, Fertility, Transgender Journeys, & OnlyFans

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

#765: Join us as we sit down with Gigi Gorgeous – a YouTube star, transgender activist, author, TV personality, actress, model & LGBTQIA+ icon. Over the years, Gigi built a platform around educating & empowering the trans community, inspiring many by sharing her personal journey. In this episode, Gigi opens up about navigating decisions around hormone therapy, her experience with IVF, & dives into her latest venture on OnlyFans! To connect with Gigi Gorgeous click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. This episode is sponsored by Ritual Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by Fatty15 Get an additional 15% off a 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/SKINNY and using code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is sponsored by Evolution Fresh Visit SodaJustGotReal.com to learn more about Evolution Fresh Real Fruit Soda and find a store near you. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp Visit BetterHelp.com/SKINNY today to get 10% off your first month. This episode is sponsored by KORA Organics Visit koraorganics.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off your first purchase. This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Visit shopskinnyconfidential.com to shop our latest product, Brow Peptide created with nutrient rich peptides to promote thicker, fuller brows.Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

My mom passed away and then I was like, I met a new group of friends. I was traveling, I was working, I was meeting other trans girls and I was just like, this is my life. Like, there's no time to waste. The night I met that girl, my first trans girl, I was like, this is it for me. Like, I am you. Like, you are me and I could do this. Like, this is possible. So when I told my dad and he wasn't gung ho about it, I was like, well, I'm leaving you in the dust. Like, there's no point because you're not going to support me. Little did I know he's my biggest supporter and it just took him a little bit of time.

You may recognize our next guest, Gigi Gorgeous from episode 148. She's been on the show before and she's back in action today talking about her partner, her fertility journey, beauty, health, diet, wellness, entrepreneurship, and her journey with her trans experience. Gigi Gorgeous, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. You're actually the perfect person for me to ask this because you just told me you scroll on it. Lord, I just go for the baking videos. Okay. Are you an OnlyFans? No, but I might be now. I don't know. You guys could make fire content, I bet. You know what I say? If the wheels fall off, I was like, that's the plan.

Then we just go to... What would we do? So you agree? Yeah. You think you'd make really good content? I think we would. Yeah, I think we'd do well. I think we'd do well.

What would we post? Us having sex? I don't... That's what I'm talking about. Yes. Lauren, I just want to do some baking videos. You know what? You in an apron, her in a bikini.

With like your penis popping out of your apron. You never know. So what is OnlyFans? Like what are the things on there? Like explain it to someone who's never been on. So I was always like a really harsh judge of OnlyFans. I really was. I think it has a really big stigma around it.

But when they approached me, they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. And I was like, okay, but she's not showing her. Okay. And she's not showing her. Okay. And they were like, okay, we're still down. What about butthole? Not her either.

So no butt, no vagina, no boobs. But this is the common, like, I think, thought around OnlyFans is like, that's what you think when you think OnlyFans. That's what people think, right. So like, and that's what I thought too. I was like, oh, it's totally going to have to like, have me be naked, having sex, making videos, whatever.

People do that, of course. And you know, you've heard of like, who was it? Like Bella Thorne. She like made a million dollars overnight or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, like stuff like that. And I was like, oh, okay. So I'm going to have to like show everything. But no.

So what is your OnlyFans? Like tell us what's on it that we like. What's the unlock? It's exclusive content that you're not going to see anywhere else. And also you get because, you know, our DMs are flooded. There's tons of people trying to like get, you know, a hold of us sometimes, I guess. So it's just it's communicating with people. It's sharing what you want to share.

And if you want to do cooking videos or full on porn, you can you can do it. Yeah. Can you show like your toes? Like, is that hot? I have done foot pics. I do like an LOL because like I got my because people are like, oh, foot pics are so like you're going to make so much money. Like foot fetish. People like are obsessed. And I was like, OK, I pics are so like, you're going to make so much money. Like foot fetish people like are obsessed. And I was like, okay, I got a pedicure. Let me show my feet. I'm like, they're not wrong. Oh.

But like, I don't really care about that. Is that weird? No, the feet, who cares? Throw my feet up there. I couldn't care less. I spent a couple million on the feet. Hey, that is something I got put on Celebrity Foot Finder. Oh, he's obsessed with this.

I guess that's my claim. That's when you know you really made it. You have a feeder on it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. How? Did you I guess that's my claim. That's when you know you really made it. You were a feeder on it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. How? Did you wear, like, sandals one day?

No, I was just, like, on a vacation. And, like, I've been on there, like, two or three times now. And I always say that. My question is, how do you even know that? Are you, like, Googling yourself? Like, Michael Bostic? Obsessed. I get a lot of notifications about that. Oh, you have yourself on Google Alerts.

No, no, not on Google Alerts. I didn't have myself on Google Alerts. No, it's on Instagram. They send like what they send you okay i'm gonna look it up it is a little bit weird because they find like an abstract photo and they pull it out of the wild just like sitting do you have a big arch no i don't know i don't know here i'm gonna find it like what's the what's the prerequisite yeah like put it on the table let's see it let's see it okay so what so they're gonna get exclusive content to what you're doing. Is there something like you show feet?

Like, is there anything else that's like scandalous? Or is it just pretty much stuff that no one sees on Instagram and TikTok? It's pretty much that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not. I'm no Michael Bostic. But I have put a post up or two.

But yeah, it's really nothing like nefarious or wild. It's literally just like sexy. You have really evolved your career, though, because the first time I remember watching your videos, I actually and I don't know if I told you this on the first episode was the jaw. Well, by the way, that first episode, I looked it up. I remember. The jaw.

The jaw. Because I was going through jaw surgery. Yeah. And I think this was like 2017, 16. No, you came on 2000. I looked it up November 2018. Yeah, but I found her way before that. Yeah, I remember you telling me that.

Yeah, and the way that you worked the camera was different than anyone I had seen at that point. Now, obviously, you know, everyone's working the camera, but you were doing something that no one was doing before anyone was doing it. And you were so open and so raw and you've managed to stay that way. Like, I don't feel like there's a disconnect between you and your audience, but you've evolved. So how have you sort of done that in this space? It's funny because, okay, so going back to the jaw video, I remember you told me, you were like,

okay, so I never knew that there was a jaw surgery or anything like anybody else had gotten that right do you remember that yeah I had gotten it because it was FFS facial feminization surgery which obviously we cannot relate with but it was like a correlation between you know the surgery and like the vibe and the connection of it all and that's where I feel like I thrive because I can like really just like talk to people, connect with people, be honest and be real, be completely myself with people. Like, you know, a lot of people, I think, you know, plenty of people would hide the fact that they have had, you know, some kind of surgery or, you know, they would feel shame behind

that. But not me at all. And that was like even way back when we first talked. So I think that the connection has just stayed like authentic just because it's like, you know, I really don't care. Yeah. I think that's why I really, really like you and your content is you can tell you don't give a fuck and you're constantly breaking taboos. Why do you think you've never felt any shame when society would tell you to feel shame? had a really good like circle around me, a good circle. My mom passed away when I was 19. She was always there for me. She was always obsessed with whatever I was doing. Very, very supportive. But my dad also is like just very like, you know, here for me. And, you know, I have best friends and I have a husband and all of that. So I feel like it's just one of those things where if you were alone, maybe you would spiral and make bad decisions online, especially.

A lot of people have had very bad stints online because they were alone and they were feeling really lonely or whatever. I think it's just, I don't know. I think it's just always been who I am. I'm just myself. It's a confidence. It's an essence. It's just like, girl, bye.

I just can't. It's a confidence. It's an essence. It's just like, girl, bye. I just can't. There's no time. You and Lauren are similar in the sense that I feel like you're serious people that don't take yourselves so seriously. Self-deprecating. There has to be a sense of LOL at yourself. You know what I mean? Who's going to laugh at you? You have to be self-deprecating. I just think it's so stupid to take yourself so seriously like even with like the glam and everything like you can really be like so like uppity like I gotta like be frozen in the mirror and really like this but like at the end of the day like everyone's wearing extensions everyone has makeup on like we're gonna be okay Michael loves self-deprecating it's his favorite quality in a person yeah wait about yourself no about everybody i just i think people take themselves like you

know some of the stuff that lauren and i just say to each other on the show it's like this banter and ice like these people are so uptight about like but i'm like calm the fuck everyone everyone shits everyone's wearing makeup and extensions it's all smoke and mirrors baby we're in la we're in LA. We're in the heart of WeHo right now, if you didn't know. Everyone's throwing a little Paris filter on. Everyone. Everyone has Facetune and FaceApp.

Like, it's gonna be fine. I love that about you. Seriously, I think it's so cool that you just don't give a fuck. Okay, 2019, you were on our podcast. Yes. 18. 18. 18. At the old place. 600 episodes ago. Yes. 18. 18. 18.

At the old place. 600 episodes ago. That's how many episodes. Oh, my God. 600. You guys do one a week? One a week. Two a week.

Three a week. Three a week. Three a week. You don't even know. You said two a week. It feels like I'm a cow just pumping out content and someone's milking my udder. I'm a little sore. You know what I mean?

I bet. No, I bet. I bet. You're literally spewing. Where are we right mean? I bet. No, I bet. I bet. I'm literally spewing. Spewing. Okay, 2018, you came on. I don't believe that you were dating your husband yet.

No, I think so. So, Michael, yeah, you reminded me. Because we met Nat. Yes. Yeah. Was he there? Yeah. I swear I spent time with them and we,

yeah, I'm pretty sure if not, then it's when the event you guys did. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Cause I remember we were at the old, you guys were at the old place, which downstairs. Yeah. Coincidentally, my manager had a space there. So I was like, oh, let me just go up a floor, which was really weird. Um, but yeah. And there was no, there was no film element. No. It was just audio. There's no film.

Yeah. When did you meet him? At what point? And where did you guys meet? And did you like each other right away? I met him through my best friend, which is his brother. Okay. And he was a fashion designer, which made, he made me his muse. And we just inevitably went to Paris one year and we ended up spending a ton of time together. And I was like, oh my God, this person is like the most authentic person I've ever met. Like very, very just like themselves and real.

And I feel like growing up in Toronto, Canada, which is where I'm from, it was just like big fish, small pond vibes. You know, like I just felt very much like I can't really relate with anybody here. Yeah. And then in L.A., everyone's kind of projecting this like weird persona of what they want everyone to think that they are. So to meet somebody authentic like that was a big change. Stood out. Yes. And it was like, okay, this is like real, actually real. Yeah, just we've been inseparable ever since.

You guys remind me of me and Michael with how you guys do things together. You guys are working together. You're living, like you do all the things together. It sounds like your best friends. Yeah. Yeah, you guys have known each other since you were 12, right? Long time. In the fetus. We met in the things together. It sounds like you're best friends. Yeah. You guys have known each other since you were 12, right? It's in the fetus. We met in the

fetus. Okay. No, 12. We have not been together that long. He wishes. It's not been that long. It wasn't 12, though? It was 12. Did he like you right away? Yes. Romantically? Yeah, he was obsessed.

Yeah, and he let me know right away, right away. Oh, yeah. OK, so how do you guys manage putting this out there online? Was there a strategy around it? Were you just like, we're just going to show up as we are, which I'm sure that's what it is. But like, were you guys like thoughtful about how you presented online or was there no thought? I was thoughtful about how I presented him online because it had been years and years and years that I had been online before I met him. And he was never online. He had never had,

you know, a social presence or he was never front facing. He had a very front facing family, but he had never really done it himself. So I was very mindful of that. So when we met, I was like, OK okay this is obviously gonna be something let me keep this cute we can you know i do vlogs and stuff on my youtube channel so i was like let me just like put you in a vlog or two and like you know like keep it really like cute and casual and then where you know things got more serious It was then that I was like, okay, are you down to like make the change to be on camera with me? What do you say? He said yes, but I think he said yes because I wanted him to say yes. Yeah. I think it took him a while to like really get into it. He seems

quietly confident. That's how I, that's my perception. He's shy. I think a lot of people online are actually pretty shy. Yeah. A lot of celebrities as well. You'd be shocked to like, yeah, you know, right. Like people. Yeah. I think a lot of the time you're like, Oh my God. Like one of my, one of my good friends, I won't name her, but she's like the shyest person ever, but she's like one of the biggest celebrities in the world. I'm going to guess that it rhymes with Shmaris Hilton. Her too. Yeah, but no. But yes, she's 100% like so shy and cute.

I feel like she is Demure. What's the trend that everyone's doing? Oh, Demure. Yeah, Demure. Fuck, I can't pronounce anything. Demure. Demois. Yeah, Demois and mindful. No, that was a joke.

Demois is like an Instagram page. I can't pronounce anything. I get in trouble so much online. Demure. Demure. Is it brilliant? And mindful. I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about right now.

It's a trend. I'm not on TikTok like that, so I don't know either, but I know demure. I see the girls in the office posting stuff like that on the Dear Media Instagram, and honestly, I have lost. I have no idea what we're even talking about. Well, as the CEO. No, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're good. Do I honestly, I'm like, I'm lost. I have no idea what we're even talking about. You got to keep up, Michael. As the CEO. No, you're fine.

You're fine. You're good. Do I have to keep up, really? I don't think so. What is like a day in the life of you guys that's not online? What are the things that we're not seeing? How do you guys both show up as being normal?

Just normal people. Meaning like, do you go to the farmer's market? Do you have a routine in the morning? Is there days where you just sit in bed and rot? Like what are your normal things? I'm not really much of a rotter. Neither am I. I'm a marinator. What does that mean? Stop trying to make this thing up. No, no, no. Let me know. Because maybe I am that too. A marinator is when you habit stack passively in bed. So you have on 20 different face creams, a neck cream.

Maybe you have your hands in something. You have a mask on. You're watching Real Housewives. So you're being efficient as you're letting all the skincare. But in the morning. You could do it whenever. Okay.

I'll do that at night. Okay. For sure. He marinates. I will marinate at night. I think Lauren just doesn't like the term rotting. It's negative frequency. I do like rot. I love ainate at night. I think Lauren just doesn't like the term rotting. Ew, it's negative frequency. I do like rot.

I love a good rot though, but I think it takes me like, I need like once a month, maybe I'll rot. Like I really do get up and go. Okay. Yeah. So tell us what are like the normal moments that we don't see online? You know what?

I actually work out a lot. I work out like every single day and I don't really post because when I work out, I look disgusting. I'm not trying to be like cute and sexy. I'm wearing like a baggy t-shirt. I'm trying to sweat. So like that you don't see, but it's a big part of my life. What workouts do you do? I will do either like heavy cardio. I love cardio. I just love like a good sweat, which sucks with hair extensions, but like girl, that's what dry bar is for. But I also do HIIT. H-I-I-T. Okay. High intensity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. I'll do a bunch of that too,

but I basically work out every day, but I don't post it because I look disgusting. I bet if you posted it, it would crush. If I was in a cute outfit, but I don't post it because I look disgusting. I bet if you posted it, it would crush. If I was in a cute outfit, but I think even if it was just like normal fans, maybe that's. Oh yeah. Maybe Matt, write that down. Matt, we need you to. Matt, please. You and Matt can work out together. Test it out. Test it out. Okay. Okay. Cute, cute, cute, cute, cute.

Okay. So what are other little normal moments in your life? Are there anything that they don't see besides workouts because you are so public? Yeah. I mean, I honestly, I feel like just any other couple, it's just super normal. What about the business strategy, the conference calls, all the things, the behind the scenes that people don't see to build the brand that you've built? Yeah. Well, we are very strategic in our separation in the house. So like if he'll have a Zoom call, it's like over there. If I have a Zoom call, it's over here. Like we have our areas.

So she's looking at Michael. What does this mean? Are you in each other's business? Michael likes to get on a Zoom when I'm like in the shower in my space and start talking loudly in my areas. So I want you to go off on that. I met an older gentleman the other day, a really nice guy. We shared the same birthday. And he was crazy because he was telling me that he basically just wakes up in the morning and is ready to go.

Just like one speed. And he was saying it's probably hard to live with. But when I wake up, I'm excited for the day. It's like, let's go. I don't have time to linger around. I want to get moving. I can be simultaneously excited for the day, but like let's go I don't have time to linger around I want to get moving I can be simultaneously excited for the day but like

low frequency so it takes you a while to wake up feel me up before you fuck me I need like to be like a little it's too long okay if I'm hungover it'll take me like 30 minutes but if I'm not then I will literally open my eyes

and like one minute later i am like downstairs already making coffee like going yeah i like that where does that energy come i don't know i don't know i just feel like there's no time to yeah april 20th is my birthday aries tourist cuss i'm an aries too it's an aries thing is it a fire thing might might be the sign of the it's just is it fire or earth uh that i think it's fire it has to be. Is it fire or earth? That I don't know. I think it's fire. It has to be fire. Come on.

I don't know. I know there's like, what is it? Metal, earth, fire. There's no metal. There's no metal. I think there's air, earth, fire, and like wind or grass. No, but I know what my metal is like when people tell me about their dreams no no i'm like don't talk about your dream but

don't you want to tell people about your dreams i hate hearing it but it's like don't you want to tell people like oh my god i had a crazy dream last night also or the other night i was kidnapped and it was so fucking real that I woke up and told everyone I was like it was so real the guy was not gonna let me go but then you're like I don't want to hear about your dream no I was like I don't really care like that was fake right you were dreaming you were sleeping my love tell me something real in 2020 when our daughter was born I know this because I just thought it was super rad she's the sign of of the metal rat. It's in the Chinese zodiac. There's a rat and there's a metal rat.

She's the metal rat. And I think there's like an earth and a wood, but that's a Chinese. So I'm getting, listen, there's a lot of signs going on, but I just thought that was cool. I don't think that the horoscope has metal in it though.

So you, all you need for this energy is coffee and you're good to go. You're ready to do it without anything. How much, honestly, how much behind the scenes strategy goes into setting up what you do? Is it like for me, I have two days a week where I just do calls all day. Do you do that, too?

Um, no, it's sporadic. Yeah, it's definitely sporadic. I'll just take it as it comes. But I think the people behind me are what definitely help me like stand on my two legs, because if I was alone, girl, I'd be a mess. I can't even answer an email half the time. So what do you just have people on your team that are delegated to each area where you feel like you're not strong? Yes. Yes, exactly. I mean, honestly, I think that that's so important to let people listening know because I think people

don't realize all of the infrastructure and the team and the delegation and all the help it takes to perform at the level that you perform yeah I'm I'm very jealous of people like I know a couple of content creators that like do everything themselves and like you know they have a husband they have a kid whatever but they literally are on emails they are on they're scheduling the calls they're doing everything themselves and I'm like Eve I mean even even just being, you know, I'm married, I have responsibilities, but I'm like, I could never do that. Like, I'm so jealous of people that can do that and have that, like that, that, I don't know, the infrastructure within themselves.

It's like a solopreneur. It's crazy. Like, you know, like I have a great work ethic, but I'm not like built like that. So I'm, I'm very fortunate for the help that I have. Yeah. But would you even really want to work like that if you had to do everything? Cause I wouldn't. I wouldn't either. Like anytime I can hire and delegate for something that somebody else is better than me at, or something that I just don't like to do, I'm going to do it. Like I'd rather make less and make my life. And actually funny enough, like you typically will actually probably do better if you have infrastructure that can help you scale. But I can't imagine having to do every single little thing. Yeah. It's giving, what's that quote,

work smarter, not harder. But I feel like for those people working smarter is just doing it themselves. Working harder would be talking to a billion people a day. That'd be like me running the social account here. What is it? Posting the Demure Brad thing. You don't even know. I don't even know. So I'd be lost.

I'd be like, you know. How do you think that the trans community has evolved since you were on last? Because I think it's evolved a lot. Oh God. Yeah. There's so much more visibility now. A few things have happened. Just a few, just a tiny amount.

No, there's so much more visibility now. Just a few, just a tiny amount. No, there's so much more visibility now. Are you kidding me? I feel like back when we did our first interview, it was like, I was one of the very few, like you could count the trans content creators on your hands, right? Yeah. Especially that we're outspoken. Yeah. Especially that we were like actually sharing, sharing, not just out there. I mean, people should go back and listen. You really shared your whole journey. I did. I went back and I listened to a few, a snippet or two. I was like a little cringe.

You know, when you listen back to yourself, I'm like, oh my God, that was like five years ago. I'm like, I cannot stand the way I sound. I sound like an idiot. You know, it is about being just open and vocal and stuff like that. And I feel like now you log on to TikTok or wherever, and there's so many different stories, which is inspiring and beautiful. And there's every single walk of life of being transgender. And I think that that is the beautiful, the beautiful part,

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of that. On that subject, it's more heavy subject. What do you do when a parent comes to you or a child that's got a child that is underage, when I say a minor, so like maybe like nine or 10, and they're trying to navigate this? You know what? It's very situational. It's very, very situational. I feel that there is an age too young to start hormones. There is an age too old. I don't think there's an age too old to start hormones, but I feel like honestly, mentally, it can be damaging to start too late. It's very, very situational. I think that, you know, somebody that wants to start hormones on their child, super, super young, it's a choice. And somebody that wants to wait, that's also a choice.

But do you feel that in that instance, when they're that young, the choice is somewhat difficult because the child doesn't have all of their like faculty, for example, I'll relate it to, this is not a good example, but I didn't start getting tattooed until I was older. And I always say it's like when I see people under 18 getting like self-made or something, I'm like, do you really want to do that when you're 16 years old? Right. You know what I mean? Like it's like? And this is a very minor example to something that's more serious. But what I'm saying is a child that age maybe doesn't have the mental faculties to actually make that serious decision when it comes to hormones. And I don't know so much about it, but I do know young guys that start getting on TRT and stuff for the gym. I'm like, hey, it's a real decision when you start kind of messing with your hormones.

Right. And then 10 years later, they have gynecomastia and they're in that. Yeah, they just don't know. Or even like some guys will do this and they don't realize it could impact fertility. And it's like they're doing it because they want to look really good from a gym outcome perspective. Right. But they're not thinking all the way through. And I think with a child, they don't have the faculties to even think till next year.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, great point. I get the tattoo reference, even though it is like obviously a little bit. I don't get some shit for that reference, but I'm just trying to kind of like contextualize. No, no, no, you're good. I get, honestly, great point. I get the tattoo reference, even though it is like, obviously, I'll get some shit for that reference, but I'm just trying to kind of, I get it. I get it. I get it. I think, you know what? It's all about the relationship that you have with your child. So, you know, not, not putting hormones in the same category as coming out as gay or whatever, you know your kid, you know? So if your child comes to you at age five or six and says, I'm gay, I'm a boy, I like boys, that's one thing. You know, if they come to you and say, hey, I am a girl, as a boy, I'm a girl, that's another thing. You have to

take that into your own, you know, accord. Like it is your responsibility, whether you say, let's hold off on this. You know, a lot of people think it's a phase. They're not, their frontal lobe isn't developed, whatever, all of the arguments. But I feel like at the end of the day, it is your choice and you know your child

and your situation and your family. And it is your decision whether you take them to the center and get them on hormones or blockers, whatever. I think your answer is smart that it's situational. You can't blanketly make a statement, I think, about really anything. I think it is so situational. It could be different.

But what do you think about instances where the state steps in and then it takes kind of the decision away between the parent and the child? Because I think that gets dicey. It does. Yes. And, you know, everyone wants to put everyone wants to put everything in a box. Everyone wants to know, you know, like the show because we try to talk about nuance. Exactly.

So everything needs to be in a box. So it's not like that all the time. No, not at all. And I think some of the happy, I've met so many trans girls that transitioned and got gender reaffirming surgery down there, whether they choose to or not. But I know girls that have had it done in their teenage years because their parents allowed them to, and they are happier than ever. But other girls I know that have had surgery and transition and hormones, they regret it. So it's all situational. Yeah, it's literally up to the parent and the child's relationship.

But also, it might be easier for the parent just to be like, let's just wait till you're older. So it's like on you kind of vibe. What happens if someone regrets it? Has someone has said I regret it to you? Oh, yes. So what do you what's your advice? I haven't undergone gender affirming surgery, but or gender confirmation surgery, I think it's called. I should know this. I wrote a book on it. There's so many labels now. I'm like, I even get confused. But, you know, I've had girlfriends of mine come up to me and be like, you know, I've had the surgery down there or I've been on hormones for so long. And I do regret it because I can't orgasm. I feel not like myself. I don't feel like this body is mine. And that's very sad. It's one of the most like mutilating things you can do to your body. So if you don't really need it or want it, then it's irreversible

in a way. You can't reverse it? I don't know of a way that you can reverse. We had one of the top, and I forgot his name. I have to look it up. We had one of the top surgeons who does gender reassignment surgery on the podcast. Harrison Lee. He's in San Francisco. Oh, oh my God. Yeah. That was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. My husband probably had his top surgery by him. I think he's very, very skilled. I have to get his name. And he came on and I think that he said you cannot reverse it, but it's a it's it is a technical surgery. It's not just something you just can decide. No, no. You have to go. He said you have to go through tests and there's all kinds of stuff. Oh, yeah. It's brain. It's it's all that. And especially for

if you're turning, you know, penis into a vagina, there's like a bunch of like electrolysis you have to have done, like laser and like all that. Yeah, it's like a lot. It's not just like you wake up and you do it. Michael Safir. Michael Safir, yeah. Why does that not ring a bell? Maybe there's another top SF surgeon. I don't know.

I don't, I think Dr. Michael Safir. Okay. Yeah, he is supposedly one of the best surgeons. He came on, it's a very interesting episode if anyone wants to go back and listen i think that that it is situational and you just it must be hard for the parent i actually have a lot because now i am a parent yeah you want to make the right decision for your child and whatever that is this is again like i'll get some shit i was like crying the other day because we cut our son's hair. Right. He had long hair. And I was like, oh, because I think when you have a child, you just like you just want them to stay like exactly as they are. Oh, I know when Lauren had her jaw surgery, like her dad was like he was crying. It was like, I don't know. I think you just you're it's your child. And it's and it's from me. And then all of a sudden they're doing the thing. I know my mom cried when I got tattoos, even like it just, well, when you got a coffin on your leg, I'm sure she wasn't thrilled. But I think like the parents,

many of them, I think are sometimes unfairly treated because people maybe that don't have children or don't understand that relationship. It's, it's such a permanent thing to do. And the parent doesn't know how to contextualize and like, literally, like, like I said, I was crying because he got a haircut and I think that you have to give some parents some grace yeah because like this is their baby you know what i mean yeah i was very um i was very aries taurus about it like when i told my dad because my mom passed away and then i was like i'm and you know met a new group of friends i was traveling i was working i was meeting other trans girls. And I was just like, this is, this is my life. Like I, it's, there's no time to waste. So when I told my dad, oh yeah. Oh yeah. The second, the night

I met that girl, my first trans girl, I was like, this is it for me. Like I am you, like you are me and I could do this. Like this is possible. So when I told my dad and he wasn't gung-ho about it, I was like, well, I'm leaving you in the dust. Like there's no point because you're not going to support me. Little did I know he's my biggest supporter

and it just took him a little bit of time. Just took him a second. Yeah, that's understandable. It would be so interesting if your dad wrote a book from his perspective on how to navigate

what he went through on his end. I think I'm an anomaly a little bit. I was very, very, very gung-ho. I asked for no help. I was like, he was the one to reach out and be like, I will be there for you if you want. And I was like, you can. You were like, it was like an entrepreneurial endeavor. It was wild. Yeah. Like I look back and I was like, oh my God, to have like a little daughter like this was like an entrepreneurial endeavor it was wild yeah like i look back and i was like oh my god to have like a little daughter like this like what a bitch like i literally feel like if i was my dad i would have been like this little bitch like i raised you same time there's probably something really uh like a lot of relief for him because you are so decisive i think where it would get hard is if some, you know, have you meet someone

that's not decisive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're sure of yourself. Yes. And I think when a parent sees the child that's sure of themselves, I think it's hard to navigate with children when they're not sure about what they want and then they do things or make decisions that they're later not happy with. But for you, it's like

you're so sure of yourself and you're happy in your life and it's worked out that I think that as a parent, that's what you're, you just want your kids to succeed. Yeah. I think he definitely wanted me to succeed for sure. He just didn't know that he couldn't relate. You know, I remember him telling me actually one time he was like, I knew of someone transgender. I met them at work. And then a few years later, I met her on the golf course. And I was like, how many years later? He was like, like 10 years later. And he had transitioned to her. And it was that was his trans experience. He met her on the golf course and was like, hey, used to know you at work. Like, this is really weird.

And then like, you know, his daughter now is like, I'm transgender. So, you know, he had no context. Your dad sounds really sweet, though. He's a little angel. Yeah, he sounds really sweet. Why did you decide to do your Sundance movie? This is everything Gigi Gorgeous. What was what did you want to get across from that um i wanted to tell my story the way that i experienced it i was like you know my management my agent my pr was all like okay we have to hire a film crew we have to hire all these people i was like no no i have a gopro i have a digital camera i can do this I'm going to film all of it myself. We can just throw it to editors later. That's how it went down. And I was just like, I am living,

it's more intimate this way. I've never been on like a reality show or mic'd up like that before. So I was just like, let me just strap the GoPro to my car, to my mirror, whatever. And let me just like do it my way. And I just knew that that was the way that it was going to come across more authentic. And I would hand the camera to like my sister, my brothers, my dad, whatever. But for the most part, it was all me. I was just like, this is just my story. It's more intimate this way. I can actually speak about how I feel. And I look at YouTube a lot of the time as like my therapy. Like if you're alone in a room with a camera, you really do like spew it all. How long have you had your channel at this point? Long time. I think since 2008, 2009, I want to say. Well, long time. Yeah, you're an OG of YouTube. Like you, I mean, you know how to YouTube.

I could use a tip or two. Oh, please. Oh my God, I could use a tip or two for YouTube. Oh, please. With this whole setup, you're good. Oh yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe I need a GoPro. Michael, that would be interesting.

GoPro? No, GoPros are long gone. I would have not used that, but that's all I have. Okay, on here it says there's been six years of you trying and they all want to know about your fertility journey. That was a big question people asked. Can you speak about that? What has that been like for you? Yeah. So for, I mean, IVF is hard for everybody. You know, so many of my friends have been through it and my heart goes out to everybody who hasn't had success because whether it's age or genetics or you know you're just not meant to have babies it it's very difficult and needles like huge too people don't talk about how big the needle is it's

like a baseball bat which needle the one that you do to i'm gonna say this wrong yeah the one that you do like the month before you get i i don't know how to say it i don't know i think it's retrieve the eggs or make it juicy my friend did it and then she sent me a picture of the needle and it was like this big like the gauge was big i think it's preparing for the a or for the embryo to be implemented into the carrier and like that you have to do. Maybe I'm going to get this wrong to a period of time, maybe 30 days of like heavy shots. Yes. Okay.

So, so I've been through it. Me and my husband have gone through two or three rounds. I forget. And I'm going to get stuff wrong. Like there's so many different little like details that like, you know, you go in every other day to the doctor's office. But a lot of the time I was like, just going with the flow. Like you got to do this, you got to go here, you got to, you know, there's just like details that you miss. And then before you know, it's like, oh, we're done with the round. But there's genetic testing and all that. I mean, for me, I was on hormones for over 10 years and that obviously

killed all my sperm. And I was, I wasn't like shooting blanks, but I was like, it was like liquidy. Let's just say, Michael. Okay. I got it. 10-4. Got it. But I stopped it and I was like, okay, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to just stop my hormones. I'm going to try to get back to like where I was. I was like, it might seem impossible, but I have hope. And my husband obviously has never been on hormones and has eggs and has, you know, a period and all of that stuff. So he was fine. Like I wasn't worried about him.

I was worried about my 50% of the commitment. So when we went in, they were like, oh, you know, she has no viable sperm. And then I tried again and again. And then we, you know, waited on it, prayed on it. And then it was literally a miracle conception. Like literally, like they were like, you have moving sperm and

then they do the genetic testing and you know, he's shooting himself up every single day in the stomach because they have to pump you up with hormones. So your eggs get bigger and you get more and it's just like makes you super like emotional. And it's like not cute, obviously, for the egg person. For me, it was really easy. I just went in a room and, you know, I had a cup and it was major. Easy peasy. Lemon squeezy, literally squeezy. Taylor's hard, go ahead.

But yeah, so it was crazy that I was able to create genetic viable sperm and that it mixed and created an embryo so what are the what did they have to they had to bring the testosterone levels up is that what they had to do or i didn't know i took nothing so the first time around that we did it I um they told me to take pills and they were like I guess like testosterone pills I wasn't I didn't read the label or anything but they're like literally take this every day it'll like make your you know stuff more um viable or whatever um and I was like lying that I was taking them because I was like I don't want to take testosterone so I would I'd be like yeah I love a lie I love a lying that I was taking them because I was like, I don't want to take testosterone.

So I would I'd be like, yeah, I love it. Yeah, I kept them in my purse and like I found the purse the other day and they were like the other day, the other year. And the entire pack was full. I think one was popped out. I would have done that, too. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm taking them. It's just not working. I don't know.

I was like, I'm not taking these testosterone manly pills. After everything you've been through, that sounds like, like a nightmare to then take testosterone pills. Yeah. I was just like, well, if it's not going to happen,

it's not going to happen. Well, if someone was going to transition, don't you think that something that like, I don't know if there's a way to advocate. Like bank some sperm. Yes. See,

that's what I, that's the reason that I shared most of this journey is because I really, and I've heard so many people be like, oh, I'm, I literally just about to start transitioning with hormones, like medically. And my parents, I told my parents about your video. I showed them your video and they're offering to pay for, you know, freezing my sperm. And a lot of people don't have that resource, but I wanted to put it out there for people that do, because it would have been so much easier for me if I just did it at the beginning.

You know what you should do? I feel like you should team up with like a fertility specialist and you should do like, I don't know if it's like a charity or something where people can go and do it for free so they can have that insurance because I can't imagine going through everything that you've gone through and you're here and you're successful and you're beautiful and you have all these things and then you're like, fuck, I should have done this before. It's such an easy thing to do to have it as insurance. Yeah, I agree. I think that that should be offered for sure.

I think that's somewhere in our future. Yeah, I feel like you would be like the best like advocate. Well, I even tell my friends that are single and getting older. I'm like, well, there's not to your point. Like it's not that big of a deal to go and extract the sperm. Right. It's like easy peasy to extract the eggs. And they always you always hear like, oh, your time is ticking. The clock is ticking. It's like for for, you know, people, humans with sperm, it's a lot easier if you're not on, you know, testosterone blockers and estrogen and stuff

like that. So I don't see why not. I made Michael beat his meat in the broom closet and they have his sperm on ice just in case. Oh, that's good. How many vials? Some heavy loads. Oh, you shot ropes, huh? I don't know what you did in that broom closet

but I made him do it because let's just say he dies tomorrow. Shut up, really? No, he doesn't go every Thursday. Every Thursday standing appointment. What time is it? It's $1,000 to do.

We did it with Dr. Gadir. He freezes it and if he dies tomorrow, I'll be going into the sperm gank and getting one. Yep, you have it. You have it.

How much is it? They just have an open policy in that place. It's like $100 a month. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It depends on each place but Beverly Hills, I assume, is where you guys went.

Yeah, it's the most. It's not a... I've heard other places, and I'm like, oh, it's $25 a month? Amazing. I'm like, should I move there? I know. It's costing me a fortune. Move to Texas, taxes.

No, I understand. It's free. A lot of people, like, it is, we're lucky to have the resource. But I mean, from a pure extraction standpoint, it's much more simple to do that than to extract the eggs. Exactly. Yeah. Because you have to do the whole egg extraction.

It's a whole surgery. It's like a humongous needle. There's no shots involved for- No. And right before you go to get your egg extraction, you have to pump yourself with more and more and more hormones. So you're just really going through it. You just feel like a guinea pig almost. And I just felt so bad. And honestly, I don't know if I would have done that if that's what it took. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to make light of it, but for people that produce sperm,

it is as simple as just like going in there. Exactly. Yeah. Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. 11 squeezy as we said. I don't actually have a Thursday standing appointment. It's every other Thursday. All right, okay. So where are you both at in this journey with fertility, right at this moment? So they genetically test

every single sperm and egg and then they try to, you know, get them together. They meet them, you know, they implant it and see if it meshes. Obviously, it's not a very natural experience. So they try to make sure that everything is the right shape. Everything is looking great. And they only freeze the embryos, which is the sperm and the egg that meet that

really are healthy. So right now we have six embryos, which is like wild because a lot of, a lot of my friends that like even are, you know, not trans or have never been on any kind of hormone, uh, they don't have that result. So it just is like, it's wild just to see it. Like I said before, it's just like a miracle. Like the fact that I have my DNA like out there like that is just like. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's amazing. So what do you think you'll end up doing? I mean, they're on ice right now.

Yeah. There's four girls and two boys, I believe. You know, and that could change, Avi. You know, also a lot of people take a boy and a girl and do like a twin situation. Yeah, you can do that. That'll change. I didn't get that until you said it. I know.

I was like, she didn't get it. I didn't get it until you said it. Come on, Laura. Keep up. All right. Okay. First one of the day. I know.

I just had my coffee, so I'm getting there. Okay, okay, okay. We're on hour like seven of her winding into the day. I'm winding into the day. It's like feeling me up still. Okay, so you don't know yet what the plan is. No, no. I don't know. I'm winding into the day. It's like feeling me up still. Okay, so you don't know yet what the plan is. No, no.

I don't know. I'm 32 right now. I just feel like I'm not ready for kids yet. Yeah. I want to be ready. I don't know if anyone's ever ready. I don't think you are.

I don't think you're ever ready. A lot of people say that, but I'm like, I actually truly don't feel like I'm ready. Just 32. Just give it a breath. No, give it a beat. Give it a beat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, give it a beat. Just give it a beat give it a beat yeah yeah literally give it a beat just give it a beat give it a beat 11 squeezy i feel like it's one of those things like yeah you enjoy the time because once you get started it's kind of you know we're in it now yeah exactly that's how i feel too i'm like okay yeah don't feel it right now but like happy that's over yeah so you guys are good. You got your insurance plan with everything lined up. You can do what you want to do, how you want to do it. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, that's amazing that you have six embryos too. I know. Congratulations. Well, the thing, oh, thank you so much. That's cool.

You know, it's crazy because obviously, you know, Nats will not carry the baby. I cannot carry the baby. So you'll do surrogate? It's giving surrogate. Okay.

And there is a percentage rate that's a little bit scary with that so six is great but it's not the best you know the more you have the better I'm putting it out there that it's going to be the best

easiest most seamless experience I think it will be too because you know it's a miracle that it even happened I mean it's cool it's a great story this story I think too is going to inspire so many people

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What is your life like in Hollywood? I see you like with Paris Hilton at her party. I think I saw you on her show or her podcast. I see you like I see you on her show or her podcast. I see you in all the hot spots. You guys have stayed here? This is LA's full-time home. Yes.

You guys don't live in LA, right? You live a little bit away? Like just outside. Which is nice. It's a little air. It is. It's a nice little quiet vibe. So what do you do when you're- No sirens.

No sirens. What do you do when you're on? You have all these famous celebrity friends. What Like what's the day to day in that? You know, I feel like it's so crazy to hear that because I was such a fan. I'll tell Paris this. I've told her this many times. I was such a fan of her. I loved The Simple Life. I mean, obviously it raised me like obsessed. And I'll tell her that all day long. And now it's just, it's crazy

because everyone is a lot more normal than you think. I think I've never really been one to fangirl. Like I will meet someone and just kind of like act cool. But I did, I will say, I did meet Rihanna a few months ago that's a good one and i uh scooted my ass over and asked for a selfie because i was like um hello i'm not gonna miss this opportunity and like i did not play it cool i was like i will kill myself if i don't ask for a selfie from you um and that she obviously gets that all the time. It's like meeting Beyonce. You're not going to be like, hey, what's your name?

My love. There's still some white elephants out there that are like, is that what you call them? And you're like, they're rare sightings. Yeah. Like, and they have that kind of allure. You're like, whoa. Yeah. Whoa. And if you're like, oh, my God.

Oh, yeah. Some people just have that star power. That's like, oh, my God. Like, this is major. Yeah. Because, you know, there's certain people that are still, they're iconic. Yes. Yes, exactly. Untouchable. They're not human. Yeah. Yeah. And living in LA, you see them all the time. Going out to clubs and stuff like that, you kind of

become desensitized. But being friends with some very successful people is nice, but they're all human at the end of the day and you just get to know them and it's just like, they're just cool. What's a common denominator between you and all of these successful people that you're around? What's something that you see? Is it ambition? Is it discipline? What are the things that you see the recipe for success? I think the really successful people honestly are just, they're real. They're self-deprecating. They definitely do not take themselves too seriously. They're not too much of a diva. I think even the biggest celebrity in the world, they've been around for so long because they're pleasant and they're nice and obviously they're hardworking. I think that, yeah, the self-deprecation is really, really important. I think that that's something that just draws people into you. You know,

like even like I met Cher. That's a good one too. That was a great one. I was like, oh my God. And she had her blonde wig on and it was just like so surreal.. I was like, oh my God. And she had her blonde wig on and it was just like so surreal. I was just like, oh my God, like grew up, like my parents, all my family will die. That was another one. Cause yeah, well, I knew her friend,

but yeah, that was one where she was just, she was so, I think she made a comment about her outfit or something like that. And I was just like, I would never think that Cher would say something like that. And I just thought that it was so cool. And it just like humanizes them. And I think that that just is what gravitates, you know, you to that humongous, bigger than life celebrity.

It's interesting because you see a lot of people now shoot to fame so quickly like overnight astronaut syndrome vibes it's getting haktua that girl and you see like they are difficult to

behind the scenes yeah yeah yeah maybe me and Michael not the haktua girl she seems actually pretty cool bad example by me

Taylor loves her too we can't talk shit about her in front of Taylor no great example but I just want to make sure you don't diminish the haktua girl have you guys had her on here by the way should we no but, but I just want to make sure you don't diminish the Hawk 2 over the other.

Have you guys had her on here, by the way? No, should we? No, but I would. I don't know. Okay, let's have her on. She's invited. As long as Taylor doesn't touch her or try to take a picture with her.

Yeah, Taylor can't be producing that day. The Taylor references are wild. I just spit Hawk 2 up. Taylor has come on the podcast and opened up about a lot of different things. Oh, okay, that's why because I just see the top of his head

and a Big Mac screen. Oh, Big Mac screen. He's looking at Big Macs. That's good, Taylor. Oh, okay. That's why. Because I just see the top of his head and a Big Mac screen. Oh, Big Mac screen. He's looking at Big Macs. That's good, Caleb. Oh, no. Big Mac. Oh, yeah. Never know.

Just end the show. Lauren needs to get a coffee. Apple. Apple. Desktop Apple. Little slow. Little slow. That's our rumor spread.

Big Mac. Well, you never know. Sometimes the reflection of his eyes is like Pornhub. Probably. Yeah, you know what I mean? Well, I see you two on the computer there. So, is it getting only me? I, I see you two on the computer there. So,

is it giving only this? I'm blonde, kind of, you know? Listen, that is blonde, I know. That's blonde,

different. This is really cute, though, by the way. Yes, it's different. No, love. It's a little change. Love, obsessed.

A little evolution twist. It literally looks like a wig, like beautiful. I'll take it. Silky, yeah, great. I washed my hair today with the hotel shampoo. Oh, that's good. Hotel? Where are you guys staying? Beverly Silky. Yeah, great. I washed my hair today with the hotel shampoo.

Oh, it's good. Hotel? Where are you guys staying? Beverly Hills Hotel. Oh, cute. Let's hope there's diamonds in it. Hello. But there are so many people

who are difficult behind the scenes that have shot to fame so quickly that we all hear about them. Right. Or we see it. I think with a lot of people,

I'll just like speak, I don't want to say too many things, but I think- Say it all. Mention it all. Let it drip. I think some a lot of people, I'll just like speak. I don't want to say too many things, but I think. Say it all. Mention it all. Let it drip. I think some of the younger people that get that level of success quickly, they almost think they have to behave that way to be one of those kind of people. And you don't realize that people, to your point, that we've met that have had long success, like long term success for a long period of time. They're usually like the nicest people and they treat people well. Like you.

And everybody talks. Seriously, you've had long, everyone talks. And I think that when you rise to fame too quickly, it's almost a disservice. It's almost like some of these young people think they need to behave in a certain way because they've got that level of attention or success. I'm like, no, you're wrong.

If you want to stay relevant. Right, right. Yeah, it's like, I'm only sitting front row. I'm never waiting in line. I'm only going to treat like it's it. Yeah. It's in my eyes. I just wasn't raised like that. When also like one of my, we had Caitlyn Jenner come on the show and she was telling the story about Bob Iger and how Bob Iger used to be the bellman. Does that remind me again?

Bob Iger is the CEO chairman of Disney. Okay. But used to be a bellman at a hotel and he would see, he, Bob Iger would the CEO chairman of Disney. Okay. But used to be a bellman at a hotel and he would see, he, Bob Iger would see at the time, Bruce come to, and Caitlin was saying like, he always would treat him super nice.

And then later it's like, it's Bob Iger and he like controls Disney. Right. You just never know how far someone's going to, you have to treat people nice. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Yeah.

You never want to like shit on somebody unless somebody does you wrong. Don't treat them badly. You know, but if you treat me wrong, then we're not friends. I'm not going to be nice to you. The only thing I get mad about running a company like Dear Media, again, I'll be careful what I say, is I don't mind going back and forth with agents and managers and people would be divas.

But if they treat the people at Dear Media that's in a junior position bad, I cut them quickly and I get rid of them because I don't want those people. Yeah. It's giving it's giving like, um, what, uh, you like on a first date or something like that, you see how somebody treats a server or like a valet person.

You know what I mean? Like that is so telling. Um, and that's a really good quality. I love that. Lauren's so lucky. Cute. Yeah.

So cute. It means a lot. Character means a lot. I don't like bullies, you know? but you don't. Yeah. Like if you can't get something out of somebody, you treat them badly.

Like that's sick. But that's LA. It's very LA. I also don't like the idea that, you know, successful people, you start to make it and then you're like shitting on someone who's trying to make it. You know what I mean? It's like you already made like leave them alone. You're going to fucking be kissing their ass in a year or two. Tell us where to get

the tea guide. Tell us all about it. Pimp yourself out. Where to find you. I'm sure everyone already follows you. Tell us all the things. All right, guys.

Is this my camera? Yeah, yeah. LOL. Jokes. I know. It's the only camera right in front of my face. She knows how to look

into the camera, Lauren. The tea guide is available everywhere where books are sold. Lauren's setting me up and then laughing. Okay, let's talk about bullying now. No, me and my best friend, Gottmik, who is a drag queen and an amazing performer. He was the first trans drag queen, male trans drag queen on RuPaul's Drag Race, obviously the biggest show in the world. And we just put all of our resources and experiences

together in one book. So we called it The Tea Guide because, you know, there's science textbooks, geography, math, all those things, but there's no trans textbook so we wrote one if you had had this 20 or 15 years ago what i would have gagged i mean we have like doctors we have everything in here like there is no question unanswered there's fan questions there's literally like him and i bantering back and forth there's literally doctors hormones specialists how specialists, how we feel, how we look. There's sex talk in here, dating talk in here, parents. Both of our parents wrote chapters in here. Like it's just like it's just everything like this is like the holy grail of transitioning. Like if you are thinking about transitioning or during your transition, the tea guide is your best friend. Wow. That is so cool.

Gigi gorgeous. I know you'll be back on in like two years doing something crazy. I don't know what's next for you. A whole Netflix series? Well, I can't believe it's taken this long. You literally are so good on the mic, you can come back anytime. We love talking to you. You're the best. Oh my God, thanks.

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