The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Heather Graham On Hollywood's Hidden Truths, Reclaiming Your Power, & Building A Life On Your Terms

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

#955: Join us as we sit down with Heather Graham –  actress, writer, and director who has built a decades-long career in Hollywood, known for her iconic roles, creative independence, and commitment to storytelling both in front of and behind the camera. In this episode, Heather reflects on the early roles that launched her career, including License to Drive, Boogie Nights, and Austin Powers, and how those moments shaped her path in the industry. She opens up about the evolution of Hollywood, how she's navigated challenges and used them to empower women, her personal wellness and spiritual practices, and what she's currently creating next.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Heather Graham click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   Visit http://istandwithmypack.org to support I Stand With My Pack's (ISWMP) mission by donating or adopting. Every contribution helps!   This episode is sponsored by Nutrafol For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit http://Nutrafol.com and enter promo code SKINNYHAIR.   This episode is sponsored by The RealReal Get $25 off your first purchase when you go to http://TheRealReal.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Mara Labs Visit http://mara-labs.com/SKINNY for 25% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by Taylor Farms To learn more visit http://TaylorFarms.com.   This episode is sponsored by Bobbie If you want to feed with confidence too, head to http://hibobbie.com.   This episode is sponsored by Maui Nui Maui Nui is offering a free 6-pack of their venison jerky sticks with your first order of $79 or more. Just go to http://mauinuivenison.com/SKINNY to grab yours.   This episode is sponsored by Starbucks Order Now on the app.   Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bostics. Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Bostics. Today we sit down with Heather Graham, who's a multi-hyphenate actress, writer, and director who first broke out in Drugstore Cowboy, earning an independent Spirit Award nomination before delivering iconic performances in Bougie Knights, Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagmi, and The Hangover. And Lauren and I really enjoy meeting Heather.

We grew up watching her. We grew up being a fan of many of her movies. And we talk about a lot in this episode. We talk about navigating Hollywood, owning your narrative, building a life on your own terms, and how you can reclaim your power and live a life that works for you. With that, Heather Graham, welcome to the Bostics. Okay, so Heather, you kind of got my husband and I together. Oh, my God.

Okay, because you guys are the most beautiful couple. You guys are both the most gorgeous looking people together. I mean, wow. If we had told our 12-year-old self that Heather Graham was going to say that about us, we would have died. Because, okay, so we met when we were kids. The audience gets really annoyed at this story at this point. Yeah, sorry, guys, but we have to tell the story.

We watched, and I think we went to the movies, and we watched Austin Powers. No way. When you were 12? 20 times. 20 times. The reason I know this is because I made a scrapbook of all our movie tickets, and one whole page is your movie. So what we would do is...

Together you went 20 times? We would sneak in to hook up. So he was like finger-fitting. You were 12? What? Oh my god, you guys really get into it on the Wait, wait, how old were you? So we were 12.

And he was doing that when you were? We were mature. Oh, God, I hope your dad's not listening to this. Turn it off, Brad. Actually, her dad did catch a shot. We have not been together that long though. We got back together way later, but we started in Austin Powers. Oh my God.

Are you kidding? And that was at the time, like, that was like the, it was like one of the biggest movies of the year and of the time, right? It was cool. Yeah, it was, yeah. I used to call it. Mini-me. Okay, well, here's the thing.

I had not fully hit puberty yet. I was 12. I was 12. I was 12. Wait, this is so romantic. Can I, do you have, I want to see pictures of you guys at 12. You got a show,

you got a show picture at the movie. Probably watching your movie. Welcome to the show. I'm glad I inspired the finger banging. You know. I mean, listen. Michael had one eye on the screen and one eye on me. I'm joking.

It was not a hard movie to look at, Heather. I'm going to be honest. No, no, no. Okay. So I would like to go back and hear about your childhood pre all of this. What were you like when you were a little girl? well I grew up I had a conservative religious family especially my father I mean I was very into like playing dress ups and pretending to be characters and making up stories I love movies and and then when we move when I was nine from we lived outside of Washington DC in in Virginia and then we moved to

California I became kind of shy because it was like around puberty-ish time I was nine starting to go through puberty and then I became very shy and awkward and nerdy and I used to act in school plays and that was my way to try to be cool, basically. So what did your parents do to get you more in the spotlight and get you out there? Was there something that they did? Well, they were very different. My father was extremely religious. He was pretty much like, if you have premarital sex, you're going straight to hell.

My mother was like kind of a bit of a, I think she felt she didn't really get to live out her artistic dreams. So she was like, you should just be an artist. And she actually said to me, like, don't get married and have kids. She told you that. Yeah. She was like, pursue your dreams as an artist. I like the honesty. Listen, kids aren't for everyone.

I don't understand. It's not like a one-size-fits-all, so I understand that. Yeah. It's honest. It's kind of interesting when your mom tells you that, though. You're like, okay, so you're not really happy? Did you feel like that? I mean, that's my projection.

I don't know if that's true, but yes, it didn't seem like the happiest relationship to me. So did that help get you out of your shyness or no? I still, well, when I was in high school, I was very nerdy. I had to wear neck gear, you know, for a certain point. But anyway, then I played in damn Yankees, and I played like the devil's whore. Oh. No, I played low-left. What did your highly religious father think of this?

Oh, he was like, what? You know, like, but it was like the school play, you know? You know, whatever. It's about baseball and someone's selling their soul to the devil to become like a good baseball player, you know, so. So when you played that, was that like a breakthrough for you? It made me feel like more confident because at school I was kind of awkward. weird haircut. I had basically like a mullet, you know, or it's like kind of like feathered, but then like pieces would curl around at the bottom.

You had the last laugh. I look like a Mormon in my pictures, people say. Like I dressed like I was like an older woman that was very conservative. I think that your high school or your junior high is probably like, oh, when they see you now. But then I got a job and a movie license to drive and a style, like a movie stylist helped me, you know, find some clothes for the movie. So then I kind of got to keep some of them. And then I felt cool. Was that your first big break? It was, yeah. And what was that like? It was amazing. I was 17. I was driving onto the 20th century Fox lot.

And you know, when you drive onto a lot and you're just, no one of my family was in the business, it's just amazing that they just let you through the gate and you just drive onto like 20th century Fox lot. It was incredible. And how did they find you to begin with? Are you auditioning? I auditioned. Yeah. Yeah, I used to drive and go on all my audition.

After you have your big break, what is the momentum like for you? Was it quick? Was it a slow burn? What was it like? Well, I feel like it's a lot of hills and valleys. Like you have a moment where you're like, oh my God, this is amazing. And now, you know, you're getting offered things or it's easier. And then suddenly like nothing happens. And then suddenly something else happens. And then you get more opportunities and then it's slow. It goes in waves, probably. So what was the next thing that you did after your first big break? Well, after license to drive, I did drugs for cowboy, which was also like a really cool movie that got a lot of attention. And then, yeah. And then I kind of, I worked. but it wasn't as kind of successful, I guess, or seen until I started to do like swingers and boogie nights and like Austin Powers and that then there was that moment. What happens when you do

swingers and boogie nights? What is the after effect of those movies? I bought a house. Are you out partying? Are you out clubbing? Are you at home? Well, I was always like a very nerdy, responsible kid who was just like, I need to work. You know, I mean, I did, you know, drink a little bit. I was never doing a lot of drugs. I mean, I occasionally, like, smoke pot or whatever. But I had a moment in my early 30s where I was like, I was never wild. You know, like, maybe I should try to be, because at that time, people were going to raves. I was like, I should try to take ecstasy and go to a rave, but I'm just not a party girl.

You were at home? I was like hang out with friends and I just wanted to work, really. I'm like a little worker, worker bee. After you do boogie nights and you say you're not a party girl, are people inviting you and trying to get you to party? I imagine so. Yeah, I remember actually. Drew Barramore used to have amazing parties at her house. And saying that I'm not a party girl, I did sometimes go to parties, you know, but I wasn't like going out every night or it would

be like a special, like fun thing. And then there was a time where I tried out to go to clubs more, but I just, I'm not. Well, I guess what I'm asking is do, when after doing the role, do people perceive you as like a wild party girl? I think they do. Yes. I don't think people truly know how nerdy I am, but that's fine. I'd like to pretend because when I was in high school, I was kind of this nerdy girl and I was doing law in school and everyone thought like, oh, you're not the pretty one. There's all these other women that are like pretty, girls that were prettier. But then when I started getting attention, I felt like I fooled them into

believing I was this, like, sexy movie start. And it's kind of like a fake persona almost. There's an actress that just wrote a book about this. I'm going to flubber. I think Pamela Anderson's talked about this, which she puts on her, like, persona kind of. Totally. She's similar. She, like, led with her sexuality,

but, like, her real identity was wanting to be at home and cook. No, my real identity, I felt like I was more like Bridget Jones, but I wasn't getting cast as that those characters you know i was getting cast as like more of like a sexy whatever no i always felt like more i related to like the bridget jones character her name's mina suvari yes yeah yes i just finished her book and she talks about how she kept being cast as like this beautiful siren but in reality that's not how she felt i mean remember american beauty yeah like she was like but i mean

also the business i mean whatever it's pretty sexist you know so it's mostly and now maybe hopefully it's getting better. There's more female storytellers, but it's mostly male storytellers. So Mina Savari is being told by a man's story. You know what I mean? There's so many more stories being told by men. Like it's the man's projection of what sexuality is onto the actress. Right. How is Hollywood different back then when you did swingers and boogie nights to now? I mean, look, it's still sexist, but it was way more sexist. Like I've listened to other episodes of your guy's show, but yeah, they were really harsh on women, I think, in a lot of ways. Like, men could do anything, but a woman would be under this like,

microfying, you know, magnifying glass of her, like, she's too sexy, she's not sexy enough. It was like a lot of pressure. And even as an actress, like, because, you know, sometimes you get offered jobs and they'd be like, there's nudity or there's not nudity. It's like, it's, it's weird because to get a job, a lot of times you would have to, like, take this, you know? You'd have to do the nude scenes you're going to get it or they wouldn't. Yeah, they'd be like, if you're not willing to do it, you can't do this movie.

and then people be like, well, why did you do this nudity? And you're like, well, that's the freaking jobs that are out there. You know what I mean? And look, I'm very proud of being in Boogie Nights. Like, I feel so proud of that movie. It is an iconic movie. Yeah, it's an iconic movie. And I actually have no judgment on sexuality in movies.

I think it's awesome. But I do feel like, you know, the system is kind of run by men. And then the women get judged for playing those parts that are written by men and directed by men. And then, like, released by men. And then they're criticized, even though like, men are creating this whole world and then criticizing the women. Because to your point, you could have said no to some of those. roles, but then you don't get the roles. And that's how the movie's written anyway. And so it's like, if you want to further your career, you're kind of... And I don't know if it's like, you know,

how I look or my type. But yeah, it's funny how women get penalized for like the roles that were allowed to play. You know what I mean? It's like... I feel it's a little more celebrated now at least. No, it is. And that is great. It's great. Like being a sexual woman is now like, like, I was, you know, the two dope queens. I remember I was watching all their, their live shows. And like, I feel like younger women are more like celebrating their sexuality, which is amazing. Thank God. Yeah. So when Austin Powers comes out, is that a different level of fame?

It was. Yeah. Yeah. What was that like? I mean, it was a mixture of awesome and also a little bit like, what do I, you know, it's hard when it's you. You can't really see it objectively. But yeah, I'm grateful. I'm grateful.

I was in a movie that a lot of people watched. I'm glad that you guys watched it and fell in the theater, you know? recite all the different things from that movie. It's like, I mean, it's an amazing movie. You know, there's this article that just came out recently and it said back then in the 90s, early 2000s, 80s, whatever, everybody would kind of like have the same cultural moments where something like awesome powers would come out and you'd all watch it. It's so true.

I was thinking that. Now there's so much content that everyone is not all watching the same movie. Yeah, like we probably all watch something different this week. Yeah. So the problem is you don't, like back then when that came out, especially for the younger people. That was the only thing people were to. I mean, there was a few, but it was like... There were last things to watch.

So it was like, okay, five movies came out. People are watching those. There's like, not that many TV stations, so everyone's watching the same shows. Now there's so much content. Everyone's watching all their special niche kind of things. And it's weird because stuff comes out all the time now that people are talking about.

And I feel so out of the loop because there's like really popular things that I have no clue about. Me too. And the team makes me feel like I'm this ancient dinosaur. But I'm like, whoa. Like heated rivalry. Oh my God.

I haven't seen it yet. You have it. Well, look, a lot of straight guys are afraid to watch it, but... I don't even know what it is. What is it? Explain what it is. Okay, you guys have to go home immediately and watch. Okay, one of my best friends, she's a TV writer, and she always tells me which TV shows to watch.

Her name is Deb Fisher, and she did Ginny and Georgia. But anyway, it's about these two hockey players who are like the both the best hockey players in their leagues. And they are always fighting each other, and they're the best, but then they fall in love with each other and they have, like, hot sex scenes. And it's about how they're afraid to, like, be, you know, to gather. because they're gay. Is it a reality show or real? It is a fictional story based on a book. Okay.

And it's so good. Oh my God, I started crying. Oh, Episode 5. I'm going to love it. But Lauren, if I told you that I've been watching Fallout

and that it's based on a really popular video game, I mean, people are like what? But it's also very, Walt Gaggins is the lead of it. There's so many shows to watch. You can't, there's too much.

But Hayden rivalry makes you happy. I'm in the academy. And I'm so grateful because my whole career, I'm so grateful to be in the academy. A lot of those academy movies are very disturbing. So you're watching it. It's like genocide. People are dying. It's every terrible. And then you watch heated rivalry. And it's like hot gay guys are having sex with each other and falling in love. It's sweet. What does it mean to be in the academy? Basically, you get admitted by your body of work and you get to vote for the Academy Awards. That's cool. It's so cool. I mean, that's a flex. No, it is amazing. I'm flexing right now. Yeah. To be in the Academy. It's amazing. If you have to do a sex scene or a nude scene. Actually, one last flex. Yes.

I have my roller skates. They were two. pairs of roller skates and boogie nights. And I had my pair and I was like, I guess I should give these away because I'm moving. I'm like, why am I keeping this? And then people were like, no, don't do that. And so my manager gave them to the Academy Museum and they took them. Isn't that cool? Those are iconic skates. Yeah. Do not give those skates away. Oh my God. I feel like like millions of people gave them to the Salvation Army. But no, my, you know, my manager was like, no. And then people buy those movie props. And then I work with Mike Flanagan, who's a really talented director, and he bought the other pair. And he has one of the Boogie Nights roller skates, and he has him in his house

with like, he has a lot of movie props. You got to be that for Halloween one year again. I know, I'm doing a photo shoot with Us Weekly on Friday, and I'm going to wear roller skates. They asked me to wear, like, roller skates. I mean, that's adorable. Can you skate? I can, but I mean, I haven't recently skated that much, but hopefully I won't kill myself on Friday. When you have to do any kind of nude scene, do you do a shot of tequila? before you do it or do you just go in like what's it called raw dog no i don't think that's not the right no i have heard raw dog turn like for that before you just go in like like i'm just going to see how this works out or do you plan it in your head or is it not nerve-wracking at all i mean it is nerve-racking

it's slightly terrifying because you know i mean as a woman like you're looking at your body like oh my god there's flaws ah you know and then of course you try to like diet or like try to look as good as you can but then you know ultimately i think you just try to as an actor you try to just get into the story and not be self-conscious. What if the guy gets excited? Like, what do you do? You just keep going with it? I mean, I can imagine you on set.

Some actors say, like, well, forgive me if I get excited and forgive me if I don't. Okay. Oh. If I was looking up with a guy on set and they didn't at least get a chub, I would be very offended. Just so everyone knows. I would be very offended if there wasn't like a... Yeah, but I think on the other side is like if they do, then maybe that's like creepy, too. I don't know.

Well, no. If I was in that situation, I wouldn't know what the appropriate move would be. You know, I just... That is funny. I would really be, like, concentrating on, like, just being fully professional. Good thing you're not Taylor. He would just finish. There's a lot of people there.

So you're not just alone. Like, there's, like, 10 people, like, someone's doing your hair and makeup. There's, like, lighting. Yeah. So you're not, like, sitting there alone. Okay. I just was... I heard an interview with another actress that says she would do three shots of tequila before

she did the sex scene. Wow. Yeah. She said it on a... podcast. Did it work? Sex and Life. The show Sex and Life. Oh, wow. She said she had to do three shots. Yeah, who? Sarah. Michelle Geller? No. Sarah Shahi. Okay. I don't know her last name. I have to Google it. Taylor, pull it up. It's sex slash life. And she said she did three shots of tequila before. That'll do it.

A good amount of shots. After Austin Powers, what was your next big thing? Well, I was in a movie called Bowfinger. That was just around the time of Boogie Nights, Austin Powers Bowfinger. Yeah, there was some cool things. I guess I did, you know, from Hal with Johnny Depp. How was that? Was that fun? It was fun. Yeah, we were in Prague and it was very, it's cool.

Is Johnny Depp cool? He was cool. He was cool. Yeah. I mean. Oh, wow, cool. Taylor is back there. And then you did California Cation, the hangover.

Law and Order True Crime, the Menendez murders. That would give, that, that's a lot. Yeah. Is that, when you have to take on a role like that, does that affect your inner peace? It can in moments, but I don't know, as an actor, there is something kind of cathartic about it. I mean, you don't want to be in that headspace like every day all the time, but it's kind of fun having a juicy role. So it's better to have the juicy role with dynamic than something that feels flat. Well, the good thing about movies and TV is you're doing this and it ends and, you know, you do the intense scene one day, but I don't know how people do plays because they do every, that's a lot.

It seems harder to me, yeah. So with the Menendez brothers, it's not like hard to focus. on that and then have to go home and turn it off. You know, it is disturbing, but, like, read the news. The news is as disturbing as the Menendez brothers. I mean, read about the Epstein files. It's like, it's more disturbing, you know? That's going to be a movie.

I feel like that's going to be a Netflix show. It's going to be called The Files, and it's going to be creepy. But I wish, like, someone would just get some justice. I don't know. It's just like, where's the justice? Some of these people that are being revealed have been, like, propped up over years and years as, like, these people that you should look to. I know.

The big lesson here is you've got to really be careful. Well, my friend made a comment. He said out of all these, you know, mostly men abusing these, like, young people, like, there's only one person that's gone to jail and it's a woman. What's her face? Jalene. I don't know how you pronounce her name. I never even thought about that.

Isn't that screwed up? She is the only one who is in jail. Well, I guess he was there until they. Until they. Well, he's not there anymore. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Everything's allegedly. Allegedly. How do you define an empowered woman? You were talking about off air about how you're all about empowering women. How do you define someone that's empowered? Well, I like, first of all, I guess I want to empower myself. And then I'm into female empowerment, you know, and I like to be around women that are into that.

I think it's just feeling good about yourself, loving yourself, and like not letting other people take that away from you, basically. Do you have a spirituality practice? I know. I think you read you practice TM. I do TM. Yeah, I do a lot of stuff. I do TM. I do yoga.

I go to Al-Anon. I don't know if you guys know what it is. It's basically a 12-step group. I'm not like an alcoholic or drug addict. It's more about relationships, like having someone in your life that's been a drug addict or alcoholic, and it's kind of about codependency, basically.

And I do that. What led you to that to begin with? You know, a friend of mine was going, and I was kind of bored one day, and I went, and after I went, I just felt like so uplifted. And it is about spirituality. It's about connecting to your higher power

and, like, turning all your worries and fears over to your higher power. and it's about just love being the best version of yourself. Kind of loving yourself first and giving from the overflow as opposed to like, I feel like I was brought up in like a patriarchal culture that was like, give to everyone else. And after you've given to everyone else, if there's maybe do something nice for yourself, if there's time. You know, it was not like love yourself and then give from the overflow.

That's interesting that you go to Alonon. Do you go once a month, once a week, whenever you feel? Is it like scheduled? I usually go like twice a week. Oh. Yeah. That's, I'm like, very interested in that. It's really interesting.

And you know, it's a beautiful way that people share. It's almost like, you know, you're on a podcast. People are just sharing intimate details about their life with, like, people they don't really know. And you watch people grow. And, you know, when you're going through something and you see someone else sharing something similar, it gives you a deeper understanding of, like, what to do in your own life. When you look at them and go, wow, like, you know, I don't want to do that, you know. Right. And you can also look at, it seems like, that it teaches you how to deal with if you have someone in your life that's an alcoholic or drug addict.

Yeah, it's totally. It's basically about detaching with love, like, that you. you have to just decide if you can accept their behavior or not. And if you can, then just to be as loving as you can and to set healthy boundaries. Or if you can't, like how to lovingly detach and just like love them from afar, basically. I would like to go to one of those. Let's see. And Austin.

I think that sounds really interesting. To me, that sounds more interesting than a one-on-one therapy. Yeah, I think, well, because the one-on-one therapy is all about you, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. Yes. But I think with this, you can start to learn. Yeah. There's all kind of healing things.

Like, I do this thing called cranial sacral therapy. Not a lot of people know what it is, but it's kind of like getting a massage, but it's almost like it affects your nervous system and like calming it down. And I feel like that's very spiritual. And I'm just into any kind of like healing, healing stuff. I cannot believe you just said that you do cranial cycle. Why do you do it? It is all I talk about. I am obsessed. I just started doing it because of her. Oh my God. Really? I am obsessed. It is been at least for me nine years of therapy in seven months. Because I feel like talk therapy doesn't get like if you've had like past trauma. It doesn't. It doesn't. heal your trauma the same way that's like somatic, some kinds of somatic therapy can. I think, too, it's in your fascia, the trauma. So like, say you got in a car accident or say someone did something really bad to you and there's a trauma there. It's in your fascia. Yeah. And there's an unwinding that happens in it where it releases the trauma that's stored in the fascia. No, that totally happened. If something can elevate my day and make me feel more aligned, I'm in. And I have, and I have, have been driving with my kids a lot in the cars to pick up to activities to the dentist. Our dentist

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hey, you should do some cranial sacral on him because they just had the birth. And so it could help. And so to clear whatever. And then what happened is she started taking all the sessions. I get it. I go once a week. I am literally obsessed. No, I have to tell me off there who you go to because I don't have anyone here.

No, I have someone really good. Okay. What she told me, and I thought this blew my mind, is she said, when babies come out of the womb, a lot of people think that they're colic, or they're crying a lot, or they're a bad baby. And what it actually is is that the baby has had a traumatic experience coming through the canal. Wow. And that even like you or you or you, we could have had traumatic experiences at birth that is stored in the fascia. And if that doesn't get released, the baby's constantly uncomfortable. And that you can actually have your birth trauma when you're like 21 or 40 or 50

or 60. So what she does is she aligns the baby after birth and it like sets up this whole. Wow. And did it help your child? Wow. That's amazing. It's like the energy was just like he was like maybe like fussy and it just cleared. Well then the problem is it's not a problem but she gets her hands on someone like me who's like 40 years of burying it down deep. I know because you're a guy too. So you're probably repressing. Now it's like each I'm trying to work through it. But it was crazy like the first few times I started doing it. I started getting this crazy headaches. Wow. the week after. Did you guys have any memories come up while you were doing it from your past?

She does. He has memories. Yeah. It's when you start unwinding it, my girl calls it unwinding. I cannot believe. I mean, I love to try all different things, but it is so powerful. It is so powerful. And I think it's so cool people care about trauma now because I think in the past, like, people didn't really understand it.

But like, I was looking at the bestselling books of the year. And the number one bestselling nonfiction book was the body keeps the score. Huh? About the trauma. That's an older book. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? People are paying attention.

They're understanding that it's stored in the body. Cranial sacral, I cannot say. I love that you just said that. You're one of, like, maybe the second person to mention it. No one knows what it is usually. It's random. Yeah, it is. It almost feels like it took me a second to understand what was going on because you kind of just.

And do you feel it's helped you or what do you? I think what I realize is that to your point, there's probably stuff that's buried down deep that I know is there. And then my mind or my whatever personal defense is somebody put up is a little closed off. is doing whatever it's doing to guard whatever's in there. Yeah. And so I know I need to get it out in some kind of way. That's exactly what happened to me. It was like, I went for the first time and it was like, you know, these memories are trying to bury, they're there.

You have to deal with it. Yeah, that's how I feel. I feel the memories are buried. I know they're there. I know they're probably holding me back in some way, but I haven't quite got them out yet. Do you talk when you do it or do you just sit in meditation? I've done both. There's some people I've gone to where I don't talk, but there's other people where I will talk.

And I'll just tell them, like, all these personal stuff. And it's kind of cathartic. Yes. I go to Dr. Maria in Austin. If you're ever in Austin, I will shout her out. She's amazing. Yeah. And she has totally changed my life.

I'm never getting an appointment again. No. There goes all my trauma. They got to give you guys first priority. You've got to live in abundance. We got to share it. Well, the trauma is going to be buried the rest of my life. That's really cool that you do cranial sacral.

But I think it's also cool that Alan on, I feel like it's synergistic to the cranial sacral. It is. It is. I think like, because I wasn't out. Well, I am still. But I did the 12 steps, and that allowed me to, like, uncover, like, past trauma and be there and, like, in a loving way to, like, heal that, basically. Really cool. Those two things together seem very, very powerful. Yeah.

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What are you cooking? Well, I like having people over in cooking. I'm kind of toying with the idea of maybe doing like a cooking show. But whenever I cook for my friends, they're like, you need to put this on Instagram and you need to do a cooking show because it feels like very loving to make food for people you care about. So I cook for my friends a lot. What workouts is Heather Graham doing? Well, I really like yoga a lot. That's my number one top. In fact, I'm about to go on a yoga retreat on Saturday. I'm so excited. But I like to take really hard yoga. classes like where you're sweating and you're like doing all and then by the end you feel like cathartically like so good and hot yoga I mean I don't always do hot yoga but there is one class I like to go to that is hot it's very hot and then I do Pilates and I go to the gym are you like lifting weights I do sometimes lift weights yeah okay not all the time but

sometimes cardio cardio I should probably do more cardio what about you know what do you amazing well I'm in the midst of losing 20 pounds so it's that's been a journey and I What's your workout? A lot of weights. Yeah, okay. Heavy weights. Hmm. But I think that, I think yoga would be very synergistic, just like cranial, sacral, and Alan on. It feels like it's so good. I know. I feel like I need more yoga.

Yeah, I feel like I get to a spiritual place in yoga where, especially if I go to a hard class and sometimes when it gets hot and, like, you're sweating. By the end of it, you just feel like you're, you're like, you're like, reborn and, like, you're just like, all your stress is gone, and you just feel like, just happy to be alive. At this point in your career, what is making you say yes? Well, I do love what I do. I'm getting more into some development stuff, like, you know, writing and directing and optioning books. And I do love what I do. And I love people, you know, even though I like to be an introvert sometimes. I like working with people. And like in the movie I have coming out, I got to do like action scenes. You know, that was really fun. I had never really gotten to do like these fight scenes before. But I do like being creative and telling stories. And I like stories with female protagonists. When you say optioning books, does that mean you take a book and turn it into a movie? Yes, you option a book on the road to like turning it into a film or a TV show, like I'm writing stuff and like just all different things.

Like I just option the script and I gave it to like Happy Madison and they're potentially interested. That's cool. Yeah. So lots of different, interesting. Have you worked with them before? I did work with Adam on anger management like a one time ago. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. I forgot. That's a good movie too. Yeah. And Jackie Sandler likes the script that I, whatever. Anyway, I hope it happens. But I just love, I love watching stories with female protagonists. Maybe because when I came up in the business, there were not that many.

I think now there's so much more content, so they're making more. But I just like seeing stories where a woman, it's from a female point of view. Who is your favorite actor or actress that you've worked with? Wow, this is like a hard question. Or maybe like your top three. You've worked with so many. I mean, my mind is a blind. I feel so grateful to work with so many people.

She's like Johnny Depp, Adam Sandler, Mike Myers. Bert Reynolds. I mean, there's so many. Kurt Reynolds is pretty cool. Do you like realize when you're in it how crazy it is what you're doing or does it not feel? It's cool. It is cool to think like, oh my God, like I got to work with like Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy or like, you know, these cool people. Like I'm kind of obsessed with Patricia Arquette and I just got to work with her.

That's cool. I'm like, wow, I love you. You know what I mean? It's, I'm a fan. So what who is like if you had to pick someone who has been the biggest inspiration that you've worked with? I don't know. This is like a question. I feel like I need to think more.

about. I mean, one of the most inspiring movies I watched was like Harold and Maud and, you know, Bud Court just died, but I thought Ruth Gordon in that movie was really inspiring. And I think that movie, like, really inspired my whole life because she had such a zest for life and she was such a quirky, interesting individual. And I felt really inspired by her, but I never got to meet her. When you're acting, do you, is it something that comes naturally at this point? Like, you don't even have to prepare because you've got it? Or is it something that you constantly have to refine? I worked so hard. I recently started, a few years ago, started working with this new co- Her name's Warner Lachlan, and she coaches all these really cool actors.

But she has this whole method where you come up with all these memories from your past. So say you get a character, you read the script, and then we'll come up with like seminal moments in the past, like this happened, and this made you do this. And then you use your imagination and you imagine all these memories. So then it's weird. You close your eyes and you talk through the memory. She has a whole book about it. But it really, when you go there, it's really powerful. All the preparation is there.

And that helps you do it. I've heard also when you work with great actors or actresses, it feels easier than when you work with people that are maybe not as... Why? Because I've heard from other people that you're able to kind of like drop into the role easier if the person across the muse is really good in their role. Yeah, for sure. It helps make it real.

Yeah, that's true. That makes sense because even with an interview, I feel like, that's similar. If the person's open, it's easier to interview. Yeah, it's always hard. It's harder to do, I think, any kind of medium like this when somebody's, they're like nervous or not into it or like off. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. So are you going to focus in the next chapter of your career more on the behind the scenes? Yes. I'm working on having my own production company. I have my own production company. It's called Force of Nature Studios. Cool. Yeah.

My goal, I have a whole pitch deck that I came up with is just to tell like really cool, interesting stories with like with female protagonists. And I mean, I'm inspired by Reese Witherspoon and Margot Robbie and their companies and how they, you know, focus. on that because, you know, the business is not really focused on that. And if you look at how movies are made, each actor has a value and the men are just worth way more. And so it's a lot easier to get a movie greenlit if you're a man. So I think it's cool all these women that are taking that into their own hands. How do we change the way that people are paid in this business? Why, I don't

understand why the men are paid more. The men are paid more because they take the movies that you've made and they put it into like this whole mashup and then, you know, then that makes them worth more. Like, like an action, mainly because the whole business and the whole world is from a patriarchal system. So it's kind of changing all that that would do it. So like you take a superhero character and the superheroes made like one, two, three, four. But what if there's a woman in it too? Well, you know, we had Scarlett Johansson on it. I think she might be one of the highest paid actions because she was in that Marvel fan.

I think she's in more Marvel movies than maybe not now. But she's in a shitload of those things. But I think that there shouldn't be such a big pay difference. I don't understand. I mean, it's not only pay, it's what they greenlight. You know, so if you look at the Avenger or even movies like that, usually there's like a male lead, you know, and then, oh, the woman's like the second or third or fourth lead. So it's just something, you know, of course there's exceptions and there's movies with female leads, but it's more, the majority are male leads. So this is why you're so passionate about taking a little part.

Because I do feel like it affects women. Like, I know it affected me. Like growing up and you see yourself as always like the women are always a sporting characters. And I think I grew up being a people pleaser and like, oh my God, I'm supposed to, because that was. my model. My mother was like a very traditional mom and it felt like it was all about like, what is my dad want? And my mom's just trying to please him. And it just felt like she didn't feel like an equal to me. So yeah, I felt like as a woman I wanted role models of women to look at who were strong and doing what they wanted and not just trying. Of course, it's, you know,

if you love someone, you want to please them and that's fine. But to be your own individual strong self and not just to be like, what do you want, honey? You know? There is this book that you have to produce. It just came out. And it's all about. It's kind of like has the same energy of what you're saying. Like the woman steps into her own power. It's called strangers. Okay. Wow.

And it's about this woman that feels like a stranger in her marriage. And they end up getting a divorce. What the hell are you doing reading that? It's so good. Okay, wait. I need a new book because I'm going on a yoga retreat. I want it. Strangers?

It's perfect for a yoga retreat. Who wrote it? Her name's Bell, B-E-L-L-E. I'm not sure what her last name is. I can Google what her last name is because they want to shout her out. Okay. This book, I started. I could not put it down.

And it's like exactly the same vibe of what you're saying. Interesting. You need to produce the movie. Okay. I'm going to totally read it. Can I have a supporting role? A cameo. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, sure. It's called Strangers by Bell. It's called Stranger's by Bell. Read this on the yoga retreat. I was meant to meet you and you are meant to produce this. Everything you're saying. I would like that. I would love to find a new book.

I feel like it has like already. Yep, that's it. Bell Burden. And you know what? I think it already has 100,000 five stars on Amazon. Like, it's so good. Oh, my God. Well, I am writing a script right now, which I haven't finished,

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Well, if she has all women working around her, maybe it will. That's, I mean. Someone needs to, like, have some justice for that. that. Well, that's, you would be a great person to spearhead that someone going to be. But I want to read the stranger's book. Thank you. I need a good new book. I feel like you'll love that book. Okay. I want to talk about what is one of my favorite products in the world. It's one of Lawrence as well. These are Maui Nuys Axis venison jerky sticks. These are some of the most incredible jerky sticks we've ever had. We eat them pretty much daily and our children eat them

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LA I was listening to it but let's see have you guys read the vanishing half that that's a really good book it's about these two sisters who are black but they can pass and one decides to pass as white and the other doesn't it's kind of like their trajectories of their lives and it's really interesting Jeanette McCurdy I read I'm glad my mom died but I've not read the other one I'm going to put that on my left it's really good like if you if you have like Spotify or she reads her own book and you can listen to it. It's pretty great. I feel like she would be a good one to produce.

You guys should interview her. She's so interesting. I think we've been going back and forth with her. I would love to figure out. She's very open. We'd love to talk to her. Yeah. Yeah, she is very open.

What's a rule that you have with yourself when it comes to choosing projects now? I guess, you know, the script and then the people involved and money. I don't know. It's okay to say. Sometimes you just want to make money. Yeah. Loan it. Yeah.

own it. I mean, I think you hope it'll be good, but you don't always know. You, this is a question that our team asked. You've never followed the traditional script, the marriage, the kids, the settling down in a conventional way. Are you, do you feel like that's natural or do you feel like you have to defend it? I mean, I think that more women, more, the culture is more accepting of it now. I think in the past, it was this idea of like, well, why, why aren't you doing that? But I think less people are doing it, you know, than they were. You know, so it's not like, I think it's great to do it if you have this love in your heart and you want to give to kids. But I don't think everyone should feel like obligated because obviously there's a lot of people that are terrible parents

and, you know, better not to do it if you don't think you could. I also think there's like, it's different strokes for different folks. Like not everyone wants to do the same blueprint that is accepted by society. Yeah. I had a therapist and she was like, you know, if you don't have kids, then life will bring you people to nurture, you know. So then there's other things that come into your life that you can nurture, you know. I mean, Jennifer Aniston is such a good example of that. Like she, to me, seems like she lives, I mean, I don't know her, but she seems like she lives such a full, beautiful life. Yeah. I feel like she's always hosting her friends and she has, like, friends that are family members.

And I think she's a good example for people that don't want. Do people pressure you in the past? Because if you think about it, it is kind of sexist. I don't think people are going, well, you're a guy. Why don't you have kids? Like, what's wrong with you? I mean, whatever. It's not the same judgment as on a woman.

So I do think it's cool that more women are just like, you know, it's fine to not do it if it's not your path. It's not for me. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, I think like what happens with guys. later, because some of my friends are going through this, is like if you reach a certain age and you haven't settled down, they're like, well, are you

never going to, like, they kind of look at you as like, where you're just like a playboy all the time, you're never going to like take an, you know. It's not the same with women, though. It's not the same. But it's not necessarily in a negative connotation. But you could be in like a serious relationship and not have kids, too. You know what I mean? But yeah. You know who's done it right? They did have kids, but you know who's done

it cool is Goldie Hahn and Kurt Russell. They seem like they have fun. And they're not married. Yeah. You know, we could have just dated forever. Was that what we're not doing that? I don't know. So how long have you guys been together? We've been together for a long time.

It's like that meme. We've been married though for 10 years. No, but we've been together since we were 20 years, but we've known each other since we were 12. So like that's so cute. I think the trick is you have to like the person, not love. Okay. I think you have to like the person. You have got to like them.

Like I want to like to be around. If I woke up tomorrow and didn't want to be around you and stopped liking you, look out. Like I got to like you. Is it because like you are friends as well as being like chemistry and stuff? Yeah, I like being around them. Yeah, they get the chemistry and then like yeah, yeah, they're best friends. That's awesome. That's the word. I prefer you. But if I didn't, I tell you. No, I like prefer to if it's like even if I'm out like with my girlfriends like if you came, I feel like it would add. Make it more fun. Yeah, would make it more fun. I like. That's cute. I know you seem very sweet as a guy. You're like very supportive, cool. Like,

you seem cool. Yeah. They should make more like you. Listen like I, no, I, I, no, I, I, I, I, I talk about this a lot. I grew up with a mother who I saw my entire life work hard and have her own career and her own thing. And then I think as I got older, I was just very comfortable with that dynamic. And then I was, I think in a weird way, if you want to get psychological about it, I was more attracted to the archetype of a woman who kind of had that and less of the traditional. That makes sense because I didn't have it. I think as I've grown, I've noticed that I can be, I can go to dinner with her friends and still just be myself,

but be not. So you're saying you're perfect. No. But you know what's funny is like sometimes like I'm probably not getting invited to all the guyships or golf a golfing, which I don't want to go golfing, you know, stuff like that. What practices do you do to protect your energy? Well, I think it's the people that you're around. And I think sometimes I need like a day or two to my, like sometimes I need to regroup by being alone, you know, or basically working out. I think working out gets me out of my head, which is really good.

I it's like a recharge like being in nature I'd say nature's so important like the new house I bought I feel like I'm in nature and yes being in nature being alone sleeping do you have a practice when it comes to writing sometimes I just like to you know okay like I'm gonna set aside four hours today and just write something you know and then whatever it is it is but just set aside time and then just make make myself do it four hours it's a long time but people sit there for like eight hours I don't know how people do that yeah if I ever am writing I I I I feel like I only can do like an hour and a half. I need to try four hours. I mean, you can get a lot done in an hour and a half. Oh my gosh. I'm trying to write something right now. What are you writing? I'm trying to write a book, but it's really hard. It's cool. It's really hard. I honestly think writing a book. It's funny to hear you say that. Of course it's, like, of course it's hard. It might be one of them. You could get like a co-writer to help. I don't know. I feel like it's, I'm so far in it that I'd rather just. Yeah, finish it. But then I'm like, is that not a I think it's, it is hard. It's hard. I think it's really hard. Maybe one of the hardest things, it's almost like, it's almost like being, like birthing a baby. It's hard. The book thing is,

why are you looking at me like I would know? I don't know. Anyway, what are you working on now? Tell us about your new movie. Okay, well, I have a movie coming out. It's called They Will Kill You. And it's, yeah, it's a funny title. It's easy to remember that title. It's coming out March 27th. We're premiering at South by Southwest on March 17th. Cool. And it's a very cool, very wild. It's almost if you mix, Kill Bill with like Get Out maybe. And Rosemary's Baby, it's a wild story.

We are at South By. We live out there. We barely go out. Oh, wow. For a little grandma, yeah. Grandpa. But we, like Charlie and the chocolate factory, like the beds. Yeah.

The grandma and the grandpa. But we are going to South Side. This business is headquartered out there. Oh, wow. That is so. We'll stop by and say hi. You should, definitely. Is it like a screening?

Yeah, we're having a premiere. It's on the 17th at like 930. And then we have like a press day on the 18th. And there's like a kind of content creator. I'm sure they would love to have you guys like show up. Yeah, we'll stop by and say hi. We'll be there. We're speaking out there at that.

Yeah, but it's not the 17th. Yeah, let me know. It's 16th. But maybe we'll go the next day. I get there the 16th. And there's like a, there's like a, we're having like some kind of content creator dinner. I'm sure that they'd be very excited if you guys want to be. any part of it. I'm going to give you my email and you can let me know when you guys are there.

So everyone can go watch your movie. Is there anything else that you're working on that we can get excited for? Well, I just did, I did a movie. It's scary. It's called, well, at the moment, the title is called What Happened to Doris. It's the Doris. It's the Doris Byther story, which they, they made a movie in the 80s called The Entity with Barbara Hershey. It's a scary story about this woman that was, like, haunted in her house and they took photos of it. It was like the only, it's one of the most documented, like, stories of, like, haunting. And then I'm in this new Carrie TV show. And then I did a part in this

Osgood Perkins movie where I basically my face explodes. This is a lot of scary horror things. I know, I have. And then I have these two movies that I think I'm going to do this year that are more comedies. Yeah, and then I have a bunch of stuff that I'm working on in my development stuff.

Taylor has asked three guests on our show and we've interviewed a lot of people to take a picture. Okay, let's do. I think you're going to be number four. Okay. she's going to ask you. I think he's going to ask you for a picture.

Okay, I would love to. But I want to take a picture with you guys. We're going to take a picture. But Taylor never asks for a picture. Oh really? Taylor, I'm so honored. Thank you. And Taylor came in and whispered to me before you came on. She's so beautiful.

Oh, that's nice. He's a fan. Heather, thank you for coming on the show. Thanks, it's fun talking to you guys. Thank you for doing this. Maybe we'll see you in Austin. Yeah, I'll give you my number. By then my trauma will be worked out.

No, I want to hear your trauma. No, we're not on air. The picture of the 20 movie tickets. Oh my God. I want a picture of you when you were 12. You got a little picture. One ticket's like he felt me up. The next ticket's like he grabbed my ass.

The next ticket's like he took a finger. I was doing everything I could to go to the movies back then. You're like, that's a bad bastard in the background was like, oh my God. Well, you must have gone to some other movies. Like what other movies did you? We really did it. We just kept your routine.

Listen, I get a go. You're like, I don't care about the movie. I'm sitting next to this beautiful girl. I loved the movie though because it was so I mean again at the time it was so funny It still is funny It's what's it called a perennial Perennial seller?

Oh Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for doing this. That was great.