The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - How Former Disney Star Maitland Ward Left Hollywood For Porn & The Adult Film Industry

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha! Everybody watches porn, basically. And everybody has sex. And it's so ingrained in us that sex is so taboo. We can watch violence on television and

movies. But if you talk about sex or see a nipple or anything, it's just totally scandalous. I was afraid of it at one time. I thought I had to do that and live up to that kind of thing to be, oh, no, sex is, you know, and dirty sex is not good. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. That clip was from our guest of the show today, Maitland Ward. And today we're talking all things Hollywood, all things porn. Many of you may remember Maitland from the very popular show, at least we remember it, Boy Meets World. She played Rachel McGuire. She also starred in White Chicks with Sean and Marlon Wayans. That movie is hilarious. So she definitely came up in a more traditional

Hollywood acting career, working with platforms like Disney, and then definitely took a turn now as an adult film star. And we really dive into it on this episode. We talk all things porn, what her experience was like in Hollywood, what it was like coming up on an iconic show like Boy Meets World, and then deciding to pivot into porn. And if you remember, a couple weeks back, we had Lana Rhodes on the podcast, and her experience with porn was not so favorable. You know, she really didn't like her experience. She is very negative about the porn industry, which has been well documented. And it was interesting to talk to Maitland because her experience has been completely opposite. She said it's very empowering, liberating, and we really get into it on this episode.

I mean, it kind of goes all over the place and really kind of like chronicles her career and transition into porn. And it's just interesting to have two people that have the same kind of experience, or at least in the same kind of space with such different perspectives. You know, that's kind of what we like to do on this show is kind of have two sides of the same coins that, you coins that share different experiences. So like I said, guys, we get into it here and she's just now coming off her new book, Rated X, How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood. So like I said, her experience with porn has been very positive out of her mouth, no pun intended. And we get

into it here. It's an interesting episode. She's definitely had a very interesting career, interesting life, and we really enjoy talking to her. With that, Maitland, welcome to Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Boy meets world. That is an iconic way to come out, to start in this industry. That show was one of my favorite shows. I'm sure you've heard that from everyone. What was that like when you got cast on that show? It was an interesting experience because I have to tell you back when we were doing the show, we did not know that it was so popular and so iconic, honestly, because there wasn't social

media back then. And there was barely like the internet it was just like starting so when i got cast i knew it was a great show and it had been established and it had a an established cast and so i was coming into it kind of uh you know with an already running train and stuff well-oiled machine but i actually what did i was not auditioning for boy meets world when i got boy meets world because the executive producer the executive producer Michael Jacobs he was doing a pilot called Zoe Duncan Jack and Jane for the WB remember the WB and so I was testing against Selma Blair actually for the role on that show and Selma got it and she was wonderful at it they wanted somebody like we're totally different types but Michael was like no I want Maitland for Boy Meets World because they were thinking of getting a a roommate or some kind of girlfriend rivalry for Jack and Eric because they were living together and they needed some

sort of girl conflict I guess but they had not put out any like you know auditions for it or anything but he said that's the one that's the one I want her to be on the show. So I got a holding deal from Disney and Michael and the production company. And so then that's where it started. And it was like, it was surreal. It was like I was, you know, I had done a soap opera before for years, but this was like the big time. And at this point, how old are you? I was 21, I believe. 20, 21. And at 21, are you confident in your sexuality?

Or looking back, were you insecure? What was that like? Yeah, I was not confident in my sexuality. I had sexual thoughts and desires and fantasies that I really wanted to suppress. Because I thought I had to be a good girl. And I had to follow the straight and narrow and do everything people wanted me to do. And back in those days, Disney and my parents and whoever was along the way always wanted me to be this good girl, and I wanted to live up to that. I know I was not confident in my sexuality or my body, even though I was like a twig.

And I thought I was just so so fat and I was so ridiculous. And like I did, I really did. And not like terribly so, but I just didn't want to show certain parts and stuff. And then it was funny because on Boy Meets World, I showed a lot of parts. That's so weird to me because I remember being little watching that show being like, she's so beautiful. Like you were like the like beautiful character on that show to me thank you because i was telling someone that i was just getting my hair dyed and i was telling someone i was interviewing you and i'm like you know the really beautiful redhead and everyone was like oh yeah like everyone knew

that you were like the beautiful character when you look back on your experience with at hollywood at 21 years old especially back in the day yeah did you have moments where that you can point to where there was like weirdness from these men producers or directors yes and I didn't at the time think it was weirdness and now looking back on it I it's it's a hard thing because it was such a culture back then especially with like the Disney culture and everything to kind of sexualize girls and to have them in these sexual situations. And especially my character was always in some sexual situation when you look back on it. I was in a food fight with feet and we were wrestling around and I was pounding the boys with baguettes and marinara sauce.

I'm sure the boys loved that. Those poor boys. Now looking back, somebody had a foot fetish and a food fetish. But also, yeah, and also I choked on a hot dog where Matt Lawrence had to, like, thrust me from behind to get it out of my throat. So, yeah. But I don't even know if it was such a conscious effort by any of the producers. I think it was just part of the mindset and the culture. Like, even to this day, I don't think that, like, the men there, they just thought it was the way think it was just part of the mindset and the culture like even to this day i don't think that like the men there they just thought it was the way that it was yeah because

like in hindsight i never i don't you don't look back and think of boy meets world as like this overly risque show that was pushing too far right but like when you talk about when you talk about these moments looking like oh that maybe was a little sexualized but it felt like part of the culture i mean that's a show that we watched when we came home from school. Right, right. It wasn't like, whoa, what's on the TV? No, and it was kind of interesting. I heard somebody say it was like they wanted to have the hot girl on the show

and do these things that weren't so overt to the audience, like you say. The kids and the teens watching didn't pick up on that right away, but it made them kind of want to watch more, I guess. In a weird way, I feel like that show kind of also this doesn't make you sound weird lauren like walk some people through puberty a little bit right it's like you go from being like an adolescent to like you're kind of like transitioning into a young adult and that show was like something you can kind of watch like oh i'm kind of like thinking these same kind of things or having these same kind of experiences right so it never felt like whoa it was just felt it felt relatable i feel like right and you know what i have to say michael jacobs did an excellent job of not playing

down to the audience he always played up like how they were maturing so i have to commend him for that so yeah any of the weirdness and stuff it was just yeah it was part of that culture and like when i had to go into the offices and try on lingerie over and over and over again I just felt like it was my job to do that are they like beating their meat under the desk like what do you mean they're like hey we need you to try on 16 pairs of lingerie like I don't understand that you're 21 why did you have to try on the laundry like I don to know what the reason was. I don't know. Although I think it was that they wanted to get the exact right ones, you know, but they were really risque ones and then not so risque ones. And I ended up wearing the not so risque one, although it was pretty risque for Disney at

the time. Although I have to say, I had a conversation recently with the executive producer, Michael Jacobs, and I have to say, we had a long talk about everything and he it was wonderful. So I think we've really come to a good place on that. And I don't think it was his fault. It was just the culture of Disney and all that stuff that nobody even like saw that things. And what about the cast on the show then and now? Is it is it like everyone's good vibes? Was there any cattiness on set? Was it easy breezy? You know, I would think that it was kind of kind of normal.

There was a little squabbles and little dating squabbles and like things like that. But it wasn't bad. I think now it's getting a little catty with that with a podcast and everything. They're they're coming down on the show a lot. I heard way more than I do. Yeah, they just did like a rewatch podcast, right? Yeah, they're doing it now. Who's doing it?

Who's hosting that? Ryder and Will and Danielle. And it's Mayhem over there? Yes, it's Mayhem. I was like, I'm kind of floating. It's funny. Porn has not become the scandal of the Boy Meets World history. So when you look back on your childhood before Boy Meets World,

you said you felt like you had to be a good girl. Where did that come from? Was it just something that you told yourself? You mentioned your parents a little bit. Did you grow up out here? Yes, I grew up in Long Beach, California. Although it felt very far away from L.A. Because it's like I said in the book, they called it Iowa by the sea.

Because it's very hometown kind of feeling and away from LA. So I didn't live that whole LA lifestyle. But my parents are wonderful. I'm going to say that. They weren't like strict where they were like, you know, doing anything terrible to me. It was just the feeling of, I want to live up to be this good girl.

And my grandmother was very religious and she wanted me to be like this very straight-laced Christian girl. Didn't do anything sexual ever until she's married just because she has to. But I wanted to be that girl for everybody. I guess I was just that kind of person too. You know, like the person who wants to just really excel in school and be perfect. And I had to live up to that perfection all the time.

And it was really hard when I was having feelings, especially when I started getting older, sexual feelings and feelings about my body and people I was attracted to or things that I thought that I knew were, oh my God, they were so bad. Everyone in the church and community and my family would just be outraged by it. So I had to just really suppress myself. Before I ask you my next question, I have to ask this. Did you have any off-camera relationships with any of the guys on Boy Meets World? Was there anyone that you had a crush on? No. You know what? No, I did not. We really were kind of like a family. And we still are a family, no matter. Family has dysfunction in it. And family has squabbling fighting and and

but they still have love for each other but no I did not it was funny because Ben Savage was always like he was always wondering about my sexuality and I talk about that he thought I was like this sexual being coming in here like this unicorn I had the long legs and the short red hair and I was a little older which felt like at the time older felt so much older than three years older or something. So he would always like come out and, you know, like, what did you do last night? What was your date like?

What kind of sexual acts did you do? Ben is savage. I know, I know. But I didn't take it in a way where he was trying to harass me. He was just interested. He was like just fascinated. So I used to sometimes take little Polaroids of the lingerie because I had a lot on the show and put him on his door and his vanilla ice poster. I bet he died. Yeah. And he'd be like, oh, you're killing me.

You know, what what point did you feel after being on the show that you wanted to explore your sexuality? Did you remember an epiphany where you were like, you know what? I'm so sick of being like the good girl. Like, I'm going to take this a different way. You know what? It was kind of in steps. It was so such long steps. Like I took it just like little baby steps at a time. I always found myself. I'm like an I'm an exhibitionist at heart and daring and I like to shock people. And that's that's shocking to me now because I didn't like to shock people when I was young. But I'm I found myself. I mean, I like to shock people, and that's shocking to me now because I didn't like to shock people when I was young. But I found myself, I mean, I like to take a little risk, and I just tiptoed into different things that I was interested in.

But I always kept them a secret along the way. What do you mean? Give us an example. Like I wouldn't ever to the public or to fans or anybody except eventually my husband or who I was dating or seeing or doing. I wouldn't divul divulge like that image. I'd always still felt I needed to uphold the good girl image. And it was, it was, I mean, I'm a nice good girl, but good is like such a relative word. I don't, I don't like the word good. Cause you can be good and have hot sex and do everything. And so I'd still feel like I'm a good girl. But that certain image that was, you know, thrust upon me when I was when I was younger. So when you meet your husband, you're not in the porn industry. No. And I met him very young. I met him like when we were together off and on for some years before we got married. I mean, we were very young. So I was not anywhere near the porn industry. I

wasn't even anywhere near like being able to admit to him that I liked girls, and I had that kind of feeling that I was bisexual or anything. So when did you admit that to him? What was the conversation behind closed doors that happened between you and your husband, first to admit that you liked girls and then that you wanted to try porn? Well, he saw we went to this party. Just to confirm, we're talking about this guy over here. Yeah, he's over there. He's over the same guy for yeah all these years well congratulations

i know we've been married almost 16 years wow i know and everybody else's marriages break up but they say the porn one will break up um i think it was he saw me with a girl at this party and i did some stuff and you know i was a little you know a little drunk at the time. But I thought the next morning he was going to be furious at me. And he was like, oh, he was like, it's a fine. I don't have any problem with that. If you I see that you like that and if you want to explore that side of yourself. So he was very open to that. So the girl thing was fine.

Is he like explore it with me or explore it on your own? It was explore it on my own it was explored on my own really because he's not he's very monogamous kind of person how did you guys have that conversation where he's like i'm monogamous i just want to be with you and you're like well it wasn't ever ever like a real conversation it was just these just knowing each other along the way but that what was the conversation about the girls like at that time when i when he saw me with the other girl yeah it wasn't really like he just was like that i mean he just never had never wanted to do that i mean if he did i

would i would be open to that what a guy what a guy but i can't say he doesn't like watching the stuff that i have with girls on videos or anything that's okay yeah he's yeah he likes that kind of stuff yeah okay so once you explore that then when does the porn conversation come up? And what sparked your curiosity? Like, lead us down the road of what that looked like. It was interesting because we moved to New York, actually, for a while after we were married. And that's actually when I was opening to my sexuality and telling him about my feelings towards girls and how I had all these erotic thoughts and desires.

And so I started, he was encouraging of me to start exploring that side of myself. So I started erotic writing and I started really just, it was kind of like I was talking to the page. And that was kind of my psychotherapy in a way, you know, where I could confess to the page what I wanted and what I desired, and then I could play it out in my mind. But then I never really thought that I would play it out in real life, even though I did have those desires.

But it didn't come about until the spinoff from Boy Meets World, Girl Meets World came about. And that sounds weird, but anyway, I'll get down the lane of the story of that. We came back to LA and Girl Meets World, Girl Meets World came about. And that sounds weird. But anyway, I'll get down the lane of the story of that. We came back to LA and Girl Meets World was coming out. And it was kind of a shock. I didn't, I had no idea that there was going to be a spinoff or anything like that. But there was such renewed interest in the cast.

And that is when we knew how iconic the show was. Really. When that came out. How many years after was this? Oh, this was in like, oh, was it 2013? Okay, because I'm trying to remember. Like 13 years after. I would have aged out of it by now.

Right. But like all these people and all this press, like I remember I went to the set of the pilot. I took some pictures and saw some people and I took a picture with Bill Daniels, Mr. Feeney. And I put it on my Instagram, which had no followers at that time. It was so, Instagram was kind of new. I had a new account. I didn't even think about it because I wasn't in that mindset yet. It went on every press site the next day that Rachel and Feeney back on the set again. And it was wild to me that I could have such a connection on social media and then have the press pick up on it and I hadn't you know

connected all the dots yet but that was really the start of me knowing that wait a minute I can take social media and I can actually do things that I want to do and be my authentic self and have people see me for who I wanted to be because Hollywood was like shutting me out for so many years saying no you were Rachel but you but you were cute back then, but we don't want you now. You know, they tell me you can't be sexy or do anything you want to do because, you know, you have to be 25 or less to do that. And so I was thinking, well, I mean, if I don't even care anymore, if I want to just

like do my I do cosplay. So I wanted to just see, is anybody interested in my cosplay, the sexy cosplay or anything, or anybody interested in like... Do you know what cosplay is? It's when you dress up like comic book characters. Yes. I know about this. I know what it is now that you say that.

I just didn't know what the shortness was. There is a nerd sci-fi guy at the table. Don't worry, I know all about it. I didn't know that I could actually have like a career in it. When I first started, I was just, you know, I liked for fun. I'm a big Star Wars geek and all.

Oh, hold on. Hold the mic. She won't even watch one of them with me. Oh, no. I don't like it. What's wrong? What am I doing wrong?

I don't know. I was just so empowered as a kid by Princess Leia and all of that. I like my dog. My Springer Spaniel would play Chewie because, you know,

she had the long brown ears. What you're doing wrong. We need a whole other episode. Do I need to dress up as Princess Leia in the bedroom? I think Princess Leia in the bedroom I Think Princess Leia is the most amazing princess Yeah you should hey I've done

It with a lightsaber so you know Are you like banging their asshole with a Lightsaber or is it just a prop it's myself Okay okay got it got it I'm being I actually did a shoot with Darth Vader And it was actually my husband In a Darth Vader costume And he and I was leaning

and he was doing it. That's amazing. Yeah, but then we realized that that's the father and the daughter so it was a little weird. But you know what, it was just costume.

There's different strokes for different roles. Wait, so you started dipping your toe in with that first? Yeah, just what I wanted to do because I was tired of people telling me

you can't be cast for this, you can't do these kind of roles and they didn't even want me for the roles that I had before. And you were like actively auditioning after to try to do something different. Yes. For a while. Not after I went to New York. Cause I came back and I was like, I'm just going to write. And I took screenwriting at UCLA for two years. And I really wanted to write. And I found all my scripts kind of contain these sexual character, these women that were very empowered by their sexuality, or they got empowered by their sexuality. So I think that was a real precursor. I think even my

teacher and stuff noticed all these women are just very like dominant, like kind of figures, and they all had some sort of sexual tone to them. I thought I was going to just write a script for myself, maybe, or write scripts for others. But when Girl Meets World came around, it really, the interest in everything, it was like, I found it really fun to do my social media too. And I didn't like monetize my social media for, I don't, I think like five years. I also think what's so great about you

is you are that iconic, like hot woman from Boy Meets World. And then you come back with Girl Meets World and all those young fans that grew up with you that are now male adults are like obsessed. I'm sure, maybe women too, both are obsessed.

And I think that that's also like, it turns them on, probably. Oh yeah, I get guys, yeah, girls too, but mostly guys, say that they, you know, they used to jerk off to me when they were a teenager

and now they're still jerking off. Taylor, did you jerk off? I'm sure Taylor did. Taylor. I jerked off to everybody. To off. Taylor, did you jerk off? I'm sure Taylor did. I jerked off to everybody. To everybody. Taylor was jacking off to Ben Savage. To Mr. Feeney?

No. Taylor's a Mr. Feeney guy. Taylor's a Mr. Feeney guy. So when did you decide, okay, I'm going to give the porn industry a shot? This is it. Okay. I kept putting up pictures and I got more and more of a following and everything. And then I have, like, all my pictures

started getting taken down just because they were sexy. Like sexy cosplay pictures? Yeah. I wasn't even showing anything. It was like, oh, they're just too sexy. Like my Snapchats

and Instagrams and stuff. So my fans were like, a couple fans were like, why don't you sell content? And I was like, I didn't know what content was at that time and but I could sell like you know nude pictures or do playboy-esque type stuff and sell my sexy cosplay you know and take it off too so I thought okay I'll try it and I'll just I put up a Patreon page which is where fans are like patrons of you from I charge anywhere

from 15 to $300 a month for whatever they wanted to do or like whatever packages they wanted of pictures. Give us some examples of the packages. Oh, like I had in the beginning, like photo galleries, like all my photo galleries and I do like special photo galleries of,

you know, my cosplay and all the nudie kind of photos and stuff like that. Like videos, like sexy videos. And it got more into like solo stuff that i would do at first but i didn't realize that the patreon page just blew up i didn't even tell anybody and it had 20 members the next morning and i was like wait a minute i'm gonna tell people now and then it had like 2,800 members by the end of the week so i was like the number one adult creator adult meaning at the time time, like, you know, nudes and stuff.

But yeah, so then it started. And I was so empowering to find that I could just have my own business and do my own thing and do stuff I wanted to do. And my fans were there for me because I've been told for so long that my fans would never buy anything sexy. Nobody would. And I was like becoming this creator. So it was a long process.

Like I said, the solo stuff I did at first, I explored that. And I was like becoming this creator. So it was a long process. Like I said, the solo stuff I did at first, I explored that. And I was like, I like this. And then, of course, I like girls. And so I was thinking, you know, let's do some girl-girl stuff. And, you know. Walk us through your first moment. My first moment with girls. Well, it's funny because I did an international kiss a ginger day, which is a day in January.

Taylor, write it down some years before with a a lesbian porn star named l alexandra and i only happened to ponder it wasn't like i was looking for a porn star but i needed somebody to kiss a girl to kiss for international kiss a ginger day for just the press it was a setup i did a bunch of setups back then of fun stuff and the press would pick up on it but the somebody found her and said, hey, she really loves Boy Meets World, and she's really hot, and she's a lesbian porn star. She's so willing to do this. So we just were going to have like a little slumber party and go. But we ended up like getting totally naked by the end of it and taking these erotic photos and everything and like almost doing it.

At the end of it, she was like, you're going to be in the adult, do something in the adult space one day. And I was like, no, this is just fun for me now. So years later, I did invite her back for my Patreon and we did full scene. And we also, I had several porn actresses who, she actually introduced me and it kind of like snowballed from there.

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Yeah. It's not that you're, you are enjoying the sex and you are like having a great time, but you do have to be an actress and or an actor in many ways. Do you have to have a huge penis if you're a guy or does sometimes it could be a small one? You know what? A lot of them do. I mean, I've been with some pretty huge ones, but not everybody has a huge one. No. Yeah.

It's kind of... Taylor, there's opportunity for you. You have your small one. You could do like a micro series. Micro weenie. It's a thing.

Micro weenie. Taylor, you got to do that thing where you got to last a little while though. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'd get canceled.

I actually wanted to put you on the spot and ask you this. So our producer, Taylor, he... We've talked about this openly on, Taylor, he has a little bit of problem with coming too fast. He said it's gotten better. It's definitely gotten better, but it's definitely again. He's lasting 45 seconds.

Edging work. How many times is he coming in a day? Taylor, be honest. In a day? I mean, well. Taylor, be honest. Well, obviously not when i'm in the office but usually if i'm if i obviously like please don't when you're behind me that's

for sure we can't see you behind that screen i definitely don't if i'm working i mean it's it depends usually in the weekends maybe but during the week how many days how many times one i mean the most i've ever done it was like seven when i was a little kid i just went on like a beat fest so what do you have any tips well that's the way that I was thinking. A lot of the guys in porn, they come so much that it's just, you know, it doesn't come as fast. You know what I mean? But I don't know.

I can't really give you all the tips for that because they have their own tips, the porn guys. Edging. Do some edging. Yes. Oh yeah, that's worked really well. It has. 100%.

And just so the audience knows, I'm going to probably not explain it right, but it's basically jacking off until you're about to come and then stop. Yeah. That's hard. It's very hard, but I think it'll train them a little better. You don't need to edge. Do you edge? I don't. I mean, I think I'm alright. It's kind of fun too. You don't need to edge.

I've probably edged in my day, but I don't need to. I'm not doing it so much. Okay, so what makes a professional and what is more, when you can tell someone's an amateur? Okay, like performing for the camera too, but it's also, I think it's just a mindset too

because when they come in, they know it's a job. And like people say, oh, aren't you afraid, your husband's afraid they're going to run off together or whatever. And it's like, no, they come in, they know they're doing their job.

They know how to do their job. They know how to do their job. They know how to keep it going. Sorry, Taylor. You're both in the same place. Like, you're both coming for a purpose. Yeah, it's not like you're going out on a date and cheating on them. It's like a setup thing. You know, you get paid at work or whatever.

And you, you know, do this job. And then you shake hands and go away. Do you always come as the woman every single time? I, most, most all of the time I do because they do know what they're doing. They do. Now, you can get some people that, you know, they lose their erections or whatever. And that's that's a trouble. I haven't had that very much in my career because I get to pick the performers that

I work with. But there has been an instance where, you know, they lose it. But it's also hard because people don't realize, especially in my line of porn, because I work at deeper.com and Vixen mainly, so I do very long features. So we'll have like 14 hours of acting. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, we don't have short days.

I'm not doing that much edging, Lauren. Yeah. No, but we don't do the sex 14 hours. How does the guy last? Well, no, no, the hour is only for the sex. Got it. But we're acting and doing like scenes and doing everything like a movie would do. So a lot of guys come on the set if they're new and not even on my sets, but all the deeper

sets and stuff. And they have problems because they're used to doing porn scenes where they just go in and it's an hour or two and they just kind of, you know, get up. They just go in and have sex and leave. Yes. They're not actually doing the full performance. Yeah. So it's a lot for them.

What do you like better, sex with a woman or a man? And if it is a woman, I want to know why I like sex with a man better. I think women, I enjoy, I, of course I enjoy them, but there's different parts of it. Like I think women are so like sensual and, you know, just comforting and soft. And I just love that part of it. But I do enjoy the really like hard sex of a man, especially when it's really passionate and stuff. I don't know, a woman can be passionate, but I think I get different things from it and different like attractions for it. But I think men more, but I love women.

Let me ask you this. We were talking a little bit offline. We told you and people that are listening, we've had Lana Rhodes on the show talking about porn and her experience compared to yours, obviously, night and day difference. She doesn't look fondly on the porn industry. And you were saying, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, that you disagree a little bit with that sentiment. Because it sounds like in your experience, you've had a very positive experience with the adult industry.

I think it's actually a disgrace what she's done. Because, and I don't know what's going on in her personal life. I don't know her. I know she did work for Vixen, which I worked for when she started out. She became very famous for working in porn and she was really great and beautiful girl. She made millions from being in the porn industry. She would not have a career if she did was not in the porn industry industry. And she has like totally stabbed the industry in the back repeatedly. And it's like she does it to get more fame and more like she wants to like separate herself

to try to be some mainstream person. And I just think that's terrible to do to an industry that she could help and she could really give a voice to. And, you know, I'm not saying she didn't have any bad experiences, but she has an amazing fortune and career and career and just presence because of it. So I mean, yeah, everybody has bad experiences and things. And I had weird experiences like in Hollywood and stuff, but I'm still so grateful to Boy Meets World and to my soap days and to my Hollywood experiences. No matter if I had bad experiences, I know I wouldn't

be here today if I didn't have that. And I just think she's trying to use it to get attention. So your issue is like you may have had bad experiences, but there's a lack of acknowledgement of what the benefit of those experiences. Yes. And she had. Yes. Yes, exactly. I know that, you know, I wouldn't have gotten the attention if I hadn't been on Boy Meets World for doing porn. I mean, maybe I would have, you know, but I might not have even gone there. Yeah. Like a launch pad. Yeah. I just, I don't have any respect for her for doing that. What are the good sides and the bad sides of the industry from your perspective? It's interesting because I have a different perspective because I'm coming at it from a different place. If I was a young girl coming into the industry, it might, it would definitely

be harder. I couldn't have done it when I was young. And I think that, you know, especially when they're starting out and they're not at the big companies. Like if they get to Vixen and if they get to the big brands, they're going to be treated well. And they're going to be treated like a regular movie or a regular TV show. It's the same in Hollywood. If you get to the big studios, you're going to be treated like a professional. But if you're starting out and you just listen to everybody and you find a guy to party who says, I film porn and here come to my studio

and it's a skeezy studio. And it's just like if you find some yucky photographer in mainstream or some bad movie. I wish there were some, I think girls need to be guided definitely when they're younger in the industry. Me coming into it, I had all my faculties about me. I knew what I was doing.

I started working with the top right away. And I started doing things that I really wanted to do. Like I said, we make the big feature films. So I was able to really find my acting career again and do acting that I never thought I would be able to do because we have full-length scripts. I mean, I did like a three-page monologue in a movie we did and like had 750 lines. So it's been an amazing experience that way. And I think the pitfalls of the industry are like any industry, especially in the entertainment industry, because you can find really bad people that will suck you in and say, oh, I can make you a star and I can give you everything. But it's like they're just trying to use you for sex or for whatever purposes that they want to. I have to

ask this question. Is there no jealousy at all in your marriage with this? Like, has there never been an issue? And if so, like maybe there's someone who's interested that wants to get into the industry that's married. Like what advice would you offer? I think my husband is a very special person in that way. He's not jealous of me but i think it's like he would be jealous if i was like going out on dates i think it wouldn't be or you know having having very intimate relationships with people emotional and you know what we looked at the porn industry because he recognized he was the one who recognized in me that i needed to do stuff with men and when i was doing my content and i found two great male porn stars who had been in the industry over 10 years from

knowing the female porn stars that I've been working with. But he was the one who said, you know, I really think you need to play out these erotic fantasies. You're really good at performing. You need to do this. And I wasn't going to broach that subject with him because I just kept talking about like fantasies I had and things. Oh, wouldn't this be cool if I had this dungeon and I was hanging here and I was doing, you know, and I was getting caned or whatever. And he was like, you know what, let's try this. But we actually saw the porn industry or working

with porn stars at first as a very safe space for me to, you know, play this out and especially getting established people. Because like I said, they come in, they do their job. We have fun. We have a great time. I remember before the first time that I worked with actually both of my male talent that I found, my husband was talking with them, like laughing, talking about sports. Nothing jealous ever. No, he was not jealous at that.

No, he wasn't. But the way you're explaining it actually in a strange kind of way to me, because obviously this is foreign, makes some sense. Because I think if you went out and you're like, I'm going to play these fantasies out outside of the marriage, just in the general public with strangers, that might be like, whoa, what's going on? Yeah, he would definitely not be for that. Yeah, but with this, it's like you're going to other people who know they're there for

a job. There's no connection. Everyone's leaving after they're acting professional. It's a safe space, safe environment. And then you're also turning it into a business. And you've never fallen in love or liked someone that you've been with? No, I have not.

No, but I have had girls that I've had sort of relationships. But he doesn't care about girls. He doesn't care about the girls, no. Yeah, no. So I have had girls that, yes, I've had relationships. I talk about it in the book. Her book, you guys? We're going to get to that, but you got to read her book.

So, okay. So if're going to get to that, but you got to read her book. So, okay. So if someone wants to get into this industry and they're married or they're not married, what advice would you offer them? I think if they're not married, you know, I honestly, I think you need to find a presence on social media these days. They find girls like who are young, who just used to this, I guess, to send their pictures in and they'd call them out or whatever they did. I don't know in the old days. But I really find that a lot of young girls, any girls, maybe they're male performers or whatever,

but if they find a presence, especially on OnlyFans and on social media, on Twitter, and they get a following, then they get noticed and they say, okay, they want people with some sort of a following to really hire them for stuff. So if they get noticed that way, that's a really good way to try to build your following. Camming. A lot of girls get it from camming, doing cam shows where they, you know, I don't know. There's different cam sites like Cam Soda and MyFreeCams.

That's what I would do if I got into the industry. I would do OnlyFans because I feel like you can control it. Yeah, totally. And that's what I do so much of my time now, aside from my professional porn career. But yeah, my OnlyFans, it was just like the Patreon going into OnlyFans. It was like such a way to control my content and do what I want to do and be with the people that I want to be with and show the stuff I wanted to show. You've done such a good job, in my opinion, and I have a lot of respect for you of how you've gotten into this industry. I think you're very smart about it. Your husband said you're a self-made millionaire. I mean,

you've done really well. How do you think you've done that? Like, was it their strategy behind this? Not at the beginning. No, I think now I, you know, there's some strategy about what content you put out and stuff. But in the beginning, no, I was honestly taking an authentic journey for myself. And when I started the content and I was like so surprised there was all these members to my Patreon, I was like, this is fun. Let's take it more and let's do this. And I want to do this and stuff. And I got to the guy stuff and everything. But my fans, I would not be here if it wasn't for my fans and the press, because Hollywood was not going to let me in again. Like I said, they were not going to let me do what I wanted to do. And it was so hard. And if I hadn't had a fan base from my social media that was following me and snowballing and like saying, I really like her

like this and we really like what she's doing. And, and I think they really recognize that I finally was my authentic self and I wasn't like playing this good girl kind of image anymore. I was like just showing, Hey, this is who I am responded to it and then I the press really picked up on that So I would be like all over the the news when I had you know Sexy cosplay costumes at comic-cons or was I was on red carpets wearing sexy dresses or or something so people got to notice me and like They got to see my personality and stuff, but that's what got me, I guess, known. So I think both of them so much.

Was everyone in the cast supportive of of what you've done, your evolution? I like a shocker to anyone. They're like, whoa. Or is it like I think I didn't really get any response from anyone. Trina did. She she supported me in the beginning. And Will has contacted me since then and says he supports me, but won watch anything that I do and actually Michael Jacobs says he very much supports me but the rest I have not heard a word from I haven't heard scandal I haven't heard like oh

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like, I'll get DMs that people, and they're projecting it onto me. It's their own issue. Like, it doesn't bother me. But why do you think they're so uncomfortable with the subject of it? I don't know. It's such a taboo. It's weird because everybody watches porn, basically.

Everybody has sex. It's so ingrained in us that sex is so taboo. We can watch violence everywhere on television and movies and stuff. But if you talk about sex or see a nipple or anything, it's just totally scandalous. It's funny because being in the porn industry now, I just get used to like seeing dicks or boobs, just walk, not even in sex, just walking around or, you know, just seeing, you know, scenes on the internet or whatever. And I think I'm desensitized to it, but I still don't understand. I don't understand why people

are so afraid of it. I think if they let themselves go more, because I was afraid of it at one time. I thought I had to do that and live up to that kind of thing. It's like to be, oh, no, sex is, you know, and dirty sex is not good. And, you know, there's actually this interesting thing that's happening right now. These very feminist women, like very, like not are like trying to de-sex women.

It's weird. No, it's actually a phenomenon now. It's because the people that you're talking about, if you don't fit into their perfect box and you're outside the box, then you're out. But how is that being a feminist? I don't understand it. It's like they say that sex is bad for women,

not sex in general, but like, you know, Being sexualized. Being sexualized. Or like BDSM is just misogyny in that space. Like it's just a way to, you know, glorify misogyny, which I don't know. How is it misogyny when I'm beating a woman? Also, I just don't understand why we can't understand there's different strokes for different folks. If someone wants to do that, that's their own prerogative. Good for them. Go do it. Like, I don't get why what someone else does bothers

other people. Yeah, I know. And there's these groups that are really trying to shut down all of porn. And that's why I'm so angry about the Lana Rose narrative. Because she could have a voice and she doesn't. Well, it's like some women and maybe I'll get torn to life for saying this, but some women have made the decision that

they're the spokeswoman for all women. And they'll look at you and say, hey, you are holding other women back by the truth, even though the story you've told today is an empowering story of basically you taking control of your own life and doing what you want to do as a woman, right? Yeah. But some people will say, okay, well, you can't do that, even though for your life, this is empowering for you. It found success.

You're happy, all the things because you're holding the other group back that disagrees with your choices. Yeah. And it's weird because I don't know why I'm holding any group back because they can do whatever they want if they want to be Monogamous in a relationship and have kids do it like that's fine But I do want to have a poly relationship It's why so many people have a difficult time jumping onto a lot of these like blanket causes because there's all these Caveats of things like there's all these mental gymnastics you have to do to understand what's okay and what's not.

It's like, let's support all women, except women that do that. Yeah. Because that's, yeah. And then it's like, well, you're counter to the entire message of supporting all women because there's carve-outs. And it's interesting, these ultra, it's weird.

The ultra really progressive feminists and the really conservative right have joined hands to bring down the sex industry. And they are really trying and they like taking the credit cards away from Pornhub and, you know, MindGeek and all of that. Just try. Oh, they've done so much stuff. I can't even like list it all right now. But it's just weird that they're joining forces like that. And I think their narrative, especially like the really progressive, the feminist ones who want to take sex away from women or take their sexual, like, you know, maybe different likes and stuff away. They say, oh, it's because it's just feeding into men.

But they're always tying their narrative to a man. Yeah, but I watch porn. What is that? I know. How does that work? They think that only men watch porn. They want that narrative out there. Only like sexuality in a woman is only tied to what the male gaze wants. Only men watch porn. They want that narrative out there.

Sexuality in a woman is only tied to what the male gaze wants. And it's so far from the truth. I have so many young women, especially younger women, 20s, 30s and stuff, who come up to me and are like, oh, I'm so empowered by you. And I love watching porn. And they like that my kind of porn is more thoughtful and they can watch a script and stuff. it's more it's not the pizza boy getting a blowjob all my friends all my girlfriends that i've talked to like lesbian porn too yes i like lesbian i love it than men porn because i like just for me like for me personally i just don't want to see a throbbing cock like i have enough of that for my husband like i don't need to see someone else's throbbing

cock like i'd rather watch lesbian porn. But I think that I feel like some people are just maybe fearful about maybe something in their childhood, maybe their upbringing, whatever. They're fearful. And so what they do with the fear is they shut it down. Yes. Yes, exactly. Or they don't want to acknowledge that they're having these sexual feelings.

Right. Because then it maybe says something about them personally. That's very true it's weird like terry cruz who i started with co-starred with in white chicks he has been such an anti-porn person i mean he wants the industry shut down all sex work shut down because he had an addiction i mean seriously i was just gonna say did he have an addiction yeah you know i think his wife caught him too many times i actually listened to him on Tim Ferriss. I forgot about that. I remember he did

talk about, he talked about his addiction. I have like a weird relationship with porn and I don't watch it as much as I used to but the reason being is like I think the porn plays a place and I think it's great for people but I think some people like anything else like alcohol or drugs or anything, you can overdo anything and if you're not having

also real life experiences as a young man or woman, then maybe it's problematic. But if you're using it to enhance and also living in the real world with the rest of us, then I think it's a great thing. Yeah, right. But don't project your stuff on everybody else. A hundred percent. Why can't everyone just be different? Yeah.

I actually had, it was interesting. I did a book signing in New York and I had a wonderful couple come up to me and say that their marriage was enhanced by our, by what we do on Deeper because she didn't like traditional porn like he liked or like, you know, that. So he like said, well, look at this stuff. This is, this is different. This is, you know, higher quality or whatever. And she watched it and she says it's the best thing that happened for their relationship because now they can

watch these movies and like, it's a, I mean, it's sexy. Yeah. Like it enhances the sex. Yes. That's what they,

yeah. And it was so nice. That was like the nicest thing people could say. You mentioned white chicks. I forgot about that. I have to ask you about that. What was that experience like? It was so iconic.

It is so iconic. And it was actually an overall great experience it was like i felt like it was going to way to college because you know it was the first time i was like i was out of the country like oh i had been out of the country but like on my own to vancouver living there for like five months or whatever it was and it was such a big female cast and then you know the wayans brothers're hilarious. But we all lived in this one place and it was like this hotel that had like apartments and stuff. So it was like these dorm rooms and stuff. So it was interesting.

And yeah, at the time with the Terry Crews thing, he didn't, I didn't even think about that kind of stuff because I was still, you know, pretty much a good girl. Even though I was starting to be, and on that, when I was there, I started to explore a little bit more. I had a few little flings, you know, that got me like thinking, really thinking about stuff. And so I think that was, that actually being away there, I think catapulted a little, some stuff in me that maybe I suppressed a little more later, but it was there still. It was that seeds were planted. I bet that was a really fun movie to film. It was fun. Oh my gosh, they are so hilarious.

Although it was weird because the first month we didn't do anything. So we all just hung out because the Wayans brothers had to get their prosthetics done right. And they were, it was my face and Ann Dudek's face, but they had to get them right. So they had to keep doing test over test.

So we didn't, so we were just hanging out, you know. Was it weird to see your face? It was weird. And it was funny because on Halloween, we were doing it during the fall and stuff. I was like, oh, look at he's me for Halloween. That's got to be weird. Almost like an identity

crisis to see that. It is. Although they didn't look exactly like me. No, they didn't look exactly like you. Nice try, but it wasn't exactly. No, they looked a little different. A. But it is kind of weird. It wasn't exactly. No, they looked a little different. Yeah. A little rough around the edges,

but that was a great movie. Yeah, it was really funny and they've always been trying to get a second one going. I think there was trouble with, I don't know in the beginning,

I really don't know the details of it, but I, you know, I think somebody said that they had the original idea or there was problems, so it.

We need a part two. I know, and they keep talking about it. I know Marlon, like was problems. We need a part two. I know, and they keep talking about it. I know Marlon really wants to do the part two. He really wants to do it. That would be so good. It would be great. Everyone's so sensitive now, though. I don't know if that movie gets made anymore.

That's true. That is a point, yes. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Everyone is so sensitive. That's true. That is a point. Masking in the ambience. I think we're going to swing the pendulum, though.

I feel like we're going to swing with the sensitivity. I think we've gotten, everyone's gotten so sensitive. Yeah. And kind of get to the middle. It sounds also, I was like reading some of the stuff on the press about you. And it sounds like,

you know, some of the, some of the things you have issue with, with other people is like the lack of acknowledgement of what porn can do. Right. So like I saw like even the Kim K tape or the Paris Hilton, like you, you were critical on them,

you know, kind of sweeping that aside saying saying this was a mistake or they didn't want this to happen because there's a lack of acknowledgement of what that then did for their careers. Oh, it made their careers, especially Kim. And so, yeah, and they just won't act like, oh, no, it didn't happen. But recently. It sounds like it's more planned than it was. It was way planned. Yeah. They verified it recently or whatever with that saying that she had to do like two takes or whatever. So, yeah, I really think that people like want to use, especially mainstream celebrities. And I think the porn industry is very wary of mainstream.

And that's why when I came in, they were like, what is she up to? They want to use porn for a launch pad and then they want to keep going. And then they want to say, I don't like it. don't want to and that's that's what i was saying about lana rhodes too and that's really you know it hurts people that are taking this profession seriously yeah and putting the time in and then you have these mainstream people that come in they use it and then they like kind of like diminish it yes and i hope that i well i i think that i become like an advocate to say hey i was I was I mainstream. I love porn. I have a great time, you know, and I'm, you know, an interesting piece of advice that I was given by, well, a friend

of mine. He said, don't ever say you're not mainstream. Don't ever say that. Don't ever diminish that. You're just don't say porn mainstream. You're just an actress and you're playing a role right now. That's how I think of you. I think of you as an actress and you're playing a role right now that's how i think of you i think of you as an actress i mean you're playing a role it's just it's just has sex in it right but it sounds like in a way like some of these characters know that hollywood will kind of shun them yes if they embrace this culture and so the way they kind of navigate it is like they're like oops that was a mistake even though it wasn't because they don't want to get shut out of holly right you know all of the other but you should feel really good because you're a pioneer and you're opening doors for other people

who are maybe actresses in Hollywood that want to get into the porn industry. This is a unique story that I think hopefully will be more normalized because of people like you. I hope so. I hope I was the first person to kick the door down all the way without having a sex tape or whatever. Because, yeah, I've been at Vixen and Deeper for three years now so it's not like I just walked in and you know

left or anything like that and so you're very thought out about the the stuff that you do don't you only do a couple things a year I do like yeah I do a few projects a year but they're lengthy projects but still I do the features like somebody asked me do do you do two scenes a day and stuff? And I was like, what? I do like 10 a year. But then I do a lot of acting pieces in the projects too. So it's a different kind of thing.

But yeah, I'm very, very picky about what I do. Yeah, and I'm lucky Deeper and Vixen really present me with the best stuff. You have to give us oral sex tips. I just thought you were going to say you have to give us oral sex. Oh, yeah, you can give us oral sex. We ask every guest that. Yeah, give us oral sex tips. I just thought you were going to say that you have to give us oral sex. We ask every guest. That's how we end every show. You know what? There's a couple of things. There's one where you like lift the, you kind of like get the clit and you have to,

in a certain place at the top, you like, you flick that tongue and then you like, it's, I can't even do the flick right now. It's like a flick, flick you know just let me be circle or whatever like and also flatten your tongue flatten the tongue flatten it like it's out your tongue and no don't let her yeah and then flat so you gotta be like women yeah you know what mental you know I different I find well everybody likes different stuff but I am really a slobbery kind of girl so i like taylor love he told me the other night he loves the slobbery blowjob everybody loves you got a deep start for a slobber because you get that slobber going like you know everybody

loves he told me to hawk a loogie on your penis well i don't know about like yeah let's see let's see what happens hawk a loogie okay do it that's a tip but i think really a tips are to listen to each other because everybody's different i mean i had a guy who said oh he's amazing but he asked me to bite his dick as hard as possible oh god over and over what if you accidentally bit it off oh he has a big dick i don't think i get my teeth through that taylor it's not like is that like your rain above it no but I mean no seriously you like that and some people like to like smash

their balls or squeeze them really hard you like a good squeeze yeah but not smash maybe a squeeze not a smash yeah no not

I don't mean just like squeeze I mean like Taylor do you like a squeeze fuck no you don't like a squeeze but you like a great slobber you told me are you the one

that told me to act like I'm coming out of an oasis no I think that was Weston no but i definitely like the slobbery stuff but definitely as far as like what is it it's isn't there there's a term for that sort of thing it's what is it i don't know it's like they like beat the some i remember here someone where like there's pete there's guys who like women to get dressed up in high heels and then crush their testicles yeah they are that is i have not participated in that but that, but that's a very fetishy kind of thing, though. They like to crush it? Well, yeah.

Does that not puncture the ball? I don't. I've never done that. I've never done the deep dive research on that. But I've only bit the dick and really squeezed it. Yeah, there are things like that. They really like real punishment kind of stuff.

And you know, guys are the ones who want to be the most submissive for the way for like dominatrix dominatrix is when you're doing dominatrix scenes. Are you dressed up with the whip? And like, is there like a whole like production behind the dominatrix of it all? I've definitely worn like very dominatrix type. I'm not a dominatrix where I like fully go into that. I'm more I miss a mistress a lot of times where I'm just very intense and controlling of the situation. Like I had a great scene where I went into a Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting on Christmas Eve.

And I said, hey, I want that guy to give up his, you know, not having sex. So I got him in there. And after the meeting, we like fucked on the folding chairs and stuff. So I dominate your head. That's creative. Yeah, it was great. It was great.

When I was little, I want to say like not little, but like maybe like 13, I read How to Make Love Like a Porn Star by Jenna Jameson. Oh, yeah. Is there someone like that that you were influenced by when you were dipping your toe in the industry is there anyone you look to like that's a role model that you think's done it right you know what well kaden cross who has been she's the founder and my director and writer at deeper i

stalked your instagram and i thought she's the blonde yes she's beautiful she was also she's also does the business side of something right yes she's like yeah she's like the vixen person she's beautiful yeah she's beautiful she wasixen person she's beautiful yeah she's beautiful she was a major performer for many many years and i actually just i didn't even know who she was at the time but i fell upon watching a vixen project before i was in porn i would think i was doing content at the time maybe i forget what time it was exactly but i saw this film and i was like wow this is the kind of stuff that i'd really would like to do if I did professional porn. And I found out later that she directed it.

And so we were always kind of, you know, on parallel paths, I guess, until we intersected finally. You said at a Starbucks. Yes. Well, I had done a scene for Vixen for Blacked.com. That was my first big scene. And I didn't know at first if I wanted to do professional porn, like to do it that big, but I did. And it like literally broke the internet. Like I didn't even announce it to the press or anything. It was a viral kind of thing. I meant break the internet,

but actually their site was down for a while and it broke so much traffic and they broke all records and everything. But that happened on a Saturday. And on that same Saturday, Caden Cross, who had just brought her brand deeper to the Vixen. Vixen owns all of the brands. They're kind of like the mother company. She had just brought her brand deeper just four months ago. And she was doing her first big feature. They were putting a lot into this big first full-length feature because they hadn't really done that in that way before.

She lost her co-star lead her lead actress that day and yeah it was because well i don't i won't go i say a little bit more in the book about how she lost her so monday morning she thought the project would be canned because she was on a deadline to get it because there's an award season deadline where you have to have it out by a certain time so they were on a big deadline because she had just started with the company and everything so they she said i we're gonna have to cancel i think and they said no talk to maitland she's a real she's an actress and she she just broke our site so that's how she sent me over the script that day and i was like whoa this is such good writing this is exactly

what i want to do this was the kind of stuff I envisioned, like to have a full script that's fully acted, directed, you know, with high production value. So we met at the Starbucks that day and we like connected and then the rest was history. So yeah, so she's very much a role model for me in this industry. And was the first thing you did with her the most successful or what was the most successful thing you've done out of your whole career when it comes to porn? Well, I think the first thing that we did, Drive, which was the first movie, was successful. Taylor's fingers typing. Look up Drive. It beat Bernie Sanders' heart attack on the Google searches that day.

So I would say that was insane because I actually announced that one to the press because I was so proud of making this full feature that was really good. And I said, you know what? We're going to go to the press. And everybody told me they're going to tear you apart. They're going to hate you. You're going to be like just called every name in the book. And I wasn't. People, I had shock headlines, which I expect. And I love the press. I know what they're doing. But I was never demeaned. I was never called names. I was actually celebrated in articles by like, wow, she's doing this. Congratulations. doing but I was never demeaned I was never called names I was actually celebrated in articles by like wow she's doing this congratulations or or it just I was shocked by it everybody was shocked by it and it just went it flew viral it's because it's the kind

of piece that you know hey Boy Meets World Actress is now doing porn that's it's a major thing so the site just kept like the subscriptions which it was a new site. So the subscriptions were just like- Going, going, going. Yeah, going, going, going for days. And so that was really exciting. And then right after that, I signed a contract to be the face of Deeper. Good for you. Honestly, your book is so good. Everyone should go get it. Rated X, you guys. How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood. It's available on Amazon. I got it on my Kindle. Oh, yes.

Where can everyone else find your book? Where can they stalk you on Instagram if they want to watch your porn? Where can they get everything? Well, you can get the book pretty much anywhere now. Barnes & Noble. It's fun going to the Barnes & Noble and seeing it on the new releases. And it's funny because I said I had to buy one copy when it first came out. And I went to the desk or the front desk and the guy was like, is this you?

So it was cute. He said that? Yeah, he recognized you. Wow. Best day that guy's had in a while. Yeah, he was like, whoa, I'm seeing one like this. But anyway, yeah, so you can get it anywhere pretty much now. Maitland Ward, M-A-I-T-L-A-N-D, W-A-R-D at Twitter, Instagram.

I have a TikTok. I'm not good at TikTok, but I have started one. It's Maitland Talks. T-O-K-S. And do people go to OnlyFans? And OnlyFans. Go to my OnlyFans. I have a huge OnlyFans.

I do tons of stuff for it. I do custom videos, which are the most fun because you can get me to talk to you and do things for you on the videos and everything. So yeah, my OnlyFans is OnlyFans.com

slash Maitland Ward yeah and then Deeper.com is where like my current film with Caden Drift is out and you get to see me

do a DP okay we're in Taylor's in wait if you ever need an extra I can play a mechanic a pool boy

a pizza delivery man a bellhop you mention it to play something, hit Taylor. We can humiliate him. Yeah, he likes it. Calm down. You know, there are guys that like that.

No, he likes it. If you ever need to squeeze someone's balls really hard, Taylor's your guy. Okay. That'll stop you from coming so fast. Yeah, I was going to say, that's the complete opposite of pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on. You guys go check out her book, Rated X. You are amazing.

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