The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - How To Manage Your Health & Use Holistic Health Practices Ft. Veronica Max

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

#724: Today we're sitting down with Veronica Max. Veronica is a holistic nurse practitioner and the founder of UltraPersonal Healthcare, a concierge healthcare practice that prioritizes the sovereignty of the individual. Today, we talk about holistic health and what it means, where traditional medicine has gone wrong, and how to start working towards complete health.   To connect with Veronica Max click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is brought to you by AG1 If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1. Go to drinkAG1.com/SKINNY to get a free 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase.     This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It’s really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping.   This episode is brought to you by Dreamland Baby Use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off sitewide & free shipping at dreamlandbabyco.com   This episode is brought to you by ServPro SERVPRO is the #1 choice in cleanup and restoration. Visit SERVPRO.com or call 1-800-SERVPRO today.   This episode is brought to you by Amazon.    Everyone knows that Amazon Prime Day is July 16 and 17. There’s no better time than Prime Day to support your favorite small businesses selling on Amazon.   This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! The growth in my life and my journey has been working through my trauma and social programming to come home to myself and to know myself. And I hope that my children are going to have their work to do, right? We each have a journey that we're on, but at least I'm not going to be dumping the same things onto them. And I've learned a few things to where I'm not going to expose them to that system. I invited our family practitioner onto the podcast today. This episode is fun because Veronica Max knows us from a deep level. She is the person that I go to for my entire family here in Austin, Texas. She's a holistic nurse practitioner. And what I like about her is she works with the family to figure out what's best for them. She does not have a one-size-fits-all approach to the medical world. And I appreciate that. Veronica Max is the

founder of Ultra Personal Healthcare. It's a concierge healthcare practice. So whenever I meet with her or I text her or I call her, I just feel like I have an opinion and a say. And she also helps to guide me without telling me what to do when it comes to my health and my kids' health and Michael's health. This was really important to us. I don't want to just make decisions for my family when it comes to medicine because someone tells me I have to do something. I want to know all the options. And she's been an incredible mentor for me when it comes to health. In this episode, we talk about her health issues growing up, how she discovered that traditional medicine wasn't the right road for her, the holistic healthcare industry and what it really is, all different kinds of aspects of health, being open to different

ideals of health. And we talk about how you can't separate your emotional, spiritual, mental, and holistic health from your overall health. I love this episode. I think it's really beneficial to anyone, especially if you have a family. Give it a listen. On that note, Veronica Max, holistic nurse practitioner and founder of Ultra Personal Healthcare. Welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. If you would have told me that Michael would be on a podcast passionate about grounding non-toxic deodorant, tallow on his face, non-toxic cleaning supplies, and he would be excited to talk to a guest about it. I would have said you're crazy four years ago. So this is a big deal. He's evolved. I'm an evolved man. I can see that.

I want to get a little bit of context on your story, Veronica. Tell us your background and how you even wanted to go into this profession. Like give us the childhood spiel. You know, I grew up suburban, middle class, nothing super interesting. My dad, I feel like was very open-minded though. And then an out of the box thinker. He was an entrepreneur. I was just always, I was an athlete growing up from a very early age. And, you know, I had some health issues, first acne, which I went to a dermatologist. And, you know, I don't know why, but I asked about food. I just suspected that that must be involved. I also had geographic tongue from a very early age, which is where like taste buds fall off of your tongue. And so I was just wondering if these things were connected. And I asked, you know, the dermatologist about, you know, should I not eat chocolate? I think

I'd pick that up somewhere or dairy. Like, oh, no, no, no. You know, diet food doesn't have anything to do with your skin. Here's some birth control. You know, it just didn't make sense to me. Right. And then prescribing different medications that made created other symptoms and didn't really solve the issue. And so eventually I addressed that through, I continued to do research and eliminated things from my diet and my acne improved significantly. And then just other things that came up in my life from playing sports and wanting to optimize my health and wellness and my performance. I played college basketball, had ankle sprains, found prolotherapy. That was before PRP existed. And so rather than have surgery, I ended up doing prolotherapy and

that, you know, cured my, you know, chronic ankle sprains and ankle issues. You know, from there, it's just been kind of an evolution of my journey and finding not just how to be physically healthy, but really understanding that emotional health is a part of that. Before we started the show, and I should mention that we work with you for our family's health and our health. Why do you think in the healthcare space, which you're obviously in, people go to the nuclear option first? And what I mean by that is, you have an illness and it's, you know, this prescription or this surgery or like before, you know, I told you, I had a friend came to me and

he was talking about hormones. And the first thing was like hormone replacement therapy. And I was like, well, there's maybe, he's a young guy. And I was like, there's maybe 18 other things to try before that. Like, it's not like it's critical that you do the other, like if all those options exhaust, maybe, but it wasn't even presented to him that there's maybe a bunch of other things you could do first. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I mean, I think it starts with, you know, most healthcare providers aren't aware

that there are other options. They're only educated on the pharmaceutical options. And, you know, there's a lot of opinions on why that is. I mean, we can be very direct and, you know, I think it's well known that a big pharma, right, funds a lot of medical education. So I think that's part of it. And then also it's, you know, there is responsibility on the consumer too, right? I think a lot of people want a quick fix. They want to, here's some testosterone, you know, and that's going to, now you're going to have more energy and recover faster, etc. When you went into your practice, it seems to me and you can speak to this that you were sort of doing what you were supposed to be doing in the medical field. And then you saw that

there was something missing and you made a pivot. Is that what happened? Yeah, I mean, I, I entered the medical field. So I had my first degrees in biochemistry. And I thought I wanted to be a doctor. And then I realized, wait a second, I've always wanted lots of kids. I knew I wanted like four kids. And my dad was an entrepreneur. I thought maybe I wanted to own my own business someday. And it just didn't make sense to me as a woman and someone who wanted to be a mother to invest that much time, you know, an investment in my schooling. And so then I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. And I came back around to, okay, I do, I'd moved to Austin at that point. I do want to be in the health industry. You know, what's the fastest way for me to do that and stay in Austin? And so, and then also what's a little bit more holistic route. So I found, you know, the nurse practitioner role. Yeah, so I worked in, I think I always just, you know, talking about my story, I just had a more open-minded kind of view of things and knew that, you know, even when the doctor tells you, oh, well, you know, food doesn't matter. Here's a prescription.

That just never made sense to me. So I came at it from an open mind. But I definitely saw having worked in, you worked in hospitals here that just the way that the whole model works, it does not foster health. Whenever we do these episodes, I want to always say there's a lot of great doctors out there. And I don't want to blanketly say that don't trust doctors. There's definitely amazing doctors out there. But I think some of the frustration with us, and I'm sure some of our listeners and just the world in general is that, is what I was talking about earlier. It's like, it's the nuclear option first before talking about some of the stuff that we discuss

on this show. And I think that has put the world in a dangerous space because we we've kind of gotten away from some of the more natural maybe eastern approaches that that are that are also options when you said earlier like they're just not taught like i wonder i just wonder why they're not many taught about some of these things you know that's a that's an interesting and also a difficult question i think that the first off when so i believe and i've come to this through my own healing journey and a lot of emotional work and trauma work but i believe that each of us has an innate healing capacity the system like you know when you when you opt into the medical system when you decide to engage with the medical system, at that moment, you are

giving up your power and you are saying that, okay, you, the expert, whoever the doctor, whoever you're engaging with in the medical system, please save me from, you know, whatever my issue is. And you know, you're the expert, you know more about it than me. So can you please save me? So you're not taking the power into know more about it than me so can you please save me so you're not taking the power into your own hands and becoming your own your own advocate and your own guru you're you're you're giving you're giving the ball to someone else correct and most people don't even know that they have that power right well because they've been brainwashed from birth and i think that's where it starts that's one reason why i'm so passionate about home birth

and you know all of the other options i mean i don't care what you do as long as you know think that's where it starts. That's one reason why I'm so passionate about home birth and, you know, all of the other options. I mean, I don't care what you do as long as, you know, because I don't think there's the right choice for everyone, but there's what, you know, there's what's right for you. I think women need to know about all of their options, but that's one reason why I'm so a big supporter of home birth is because I think that birth is the moment that so many people opt into the medical system and the brainwashing that I need somebody else to save me from my health issues. It makes sense. I mean, and the way that sometimes you're given a diagnosis is so matter of fact that it's intimidating. Like to say there's nothing else you can do about this except this is, I mean, it's a little bit problematic.

It's like you don't have any options. A diagnosis in and of itself is super problematic because, I mean, you guys know you're successful entrepreneurs. Your thoughts create your reality. So when someone tells you then that, hey, you have bipolar disorder, right? You've got a mental illness and you need this medication to fix you. And then you fixate on the fact, well, oh, I've got a mental illness. I'm ill. And you're going to create that. Michael, do you want to speak about what you're reading right now?

Because this is so... No, I will. But our friend, Dr. Conover, basically has a saying that says, the diagnosis becomes the disease in many cases. I'm reading Louise Hay, How to Heal Your Life. Yeah. Lauren wanted me to read it. She's super passionate about me reading it.

I'm really passionate about him reading it because it's exactly what you just said. In our marriage, Lauren gives me book recommendations and I read them. And then I give her book recommendations and she doesn't read them. I peruse the recommendations. We had another doctor come on the podcast and he said that there was a woman that wanted to get a brain scan. And he was like, why do you want this brain scan? And she's like, I just want this brain scan for peace of mind. So she gets the brain scan and there's like a little something in the brain.

A little calcium. A little calcium deposit. And then she has such bad anxiety that she has the calcium deposit in her brain that she goes and she wants to get it removed. So she gets it removed out of her brain and that caused a huge host of issues. Had she just have not even gone there to begin with, it's just like, it's kind of like a momentous spiral. Well, again, it's about opting into a system and it's just like birth. When you opt into a hospital birth and there's all kinds

of interventions that come with that. And then there are consequences to those interventions that often aren't talked about. So, you know, you bring up preventative screening, a lot of my patients, you know, have means and they're interested in these prenuvo scans and these preventative scans, you know, and I'm all about having the power to do what you want with your health, right, and having that be an option to you. But I'm conflicted about that. And this is exactly why, because I see a lot of, you know, anytime we scan something, there's a lot of, you know, incidental findings. And then, but the problem with that is, well, that creates more medical intervention. So what do you do? I mean, it's a good question for me. I think that's a question for each individual. For me, that means

I don't, I don't think I'm interested in ever doing a full body preventative screening. be careful with those scans that what you find doesn't become your identity. There you go. Like if it starts, it's almost like some people are searching for like a layer of identity with it. Have you found that? Or it's a, that they have this belief inside of them that something is wrong with them and they're going to find that. Right. It's almost like if they identify it,

then they can fix the thing. Right. So, and this gets into, so there's like so many layers of this and it gets so complex. And that's where, like I said, you can't separate the physical from the spiritual and the emotional. Like people just feeling unsafe in their bodies. I mean, I see it's like a, I mean, so many people are so anxious and feel so unsafe because they have, I mean, we all have trauma, right?

And it hasn't been, it's living right? And that it hasn't been, it's living in their subconscious and it hasn't been addressed. And so they go, if they have this idea, well, I feel unsafe. I am, I am unsafe. Something's wrong with, there is something wrong, right? And maybe it's just the trauma that they haven't processed, but they go look for it in ways that, you know, they go searching for control. Okay, let me do this scan. I can find, you know, prevent, you know, this bad outcome with cancer. And there are incidents, right, of finding brain cancer, for instance, in a 30-something-year-old woman, right,

that they wouldn't have found had they not done the preventative screening. But I think those incidences are a lot more rare than the harm that actually comes from all of these things. I'm going to say something controversial. Okay, you do it. I have talked to a lot of doctors off air that will not say this on air, and you don't have to agree or whatever, but I have heard that some of these scans actually cause things,

specifically the mammogram. I've heard a lot of fucked up shit off air about how the mammogram squishing and squeezing and manipulating your breast isn't great. Is there radiation in a mammogram? There is radiation involved there. I mean, there are studies and I think, what's the, is it Dr. Connolly? Are you all familiar with her? She's a cancer expert, more holistic cancer expert, but I think she posted something about this recently. You know, there are studies that it actually increases your, I want to be careful about saying this,

but increases your risk of breast cancer, these preventative screenings. I feel like it was Switzerland or there's some European country that actually doesn't recommend them because it, you know, if anything, it didn't decrease outcomes, mortality from breast cancer. So what, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do when it comes to that? You're a woman. So I'm not yet. I'm just, I'm turning 30. I'm turning 40 this year. I forget how old I am,

but I'm not interested in a mammogram. I don't plan to do that. Now, some of my patients do ultrasounds. Some of my patients opt to do thermography. I don't know that I'm really interested in any of it. I don't know that I'm interested in getting a colonoscopy. I actually, I'll just go ahead and say I'm not. That doesn't mean that's the right decision for everyone. But for me and my risk factors and how I live, you've got to be so careful about opting into the system. I want to talk about how you live in a minute.

But I think like the core of this and where my perspective has definitely changed over the last four, definitely the last four years, is instead of going to all of these solutions once there's a problem or having a colonoscopy, whatever it is, it's like going back to the root and understanding why these things can start to happen in the first place. One of the things I was telling my buddy, I was like, okay, well, you're drinking municipal tap water and you have all of these valleys in the house and all these bad cleaning supplies. Maybe get rid of all that before. And I think what the problem is, is we have these things that we're

doing that we don't realize are so unhealthy. We talk about a lot of these things on the podcast. And if you can eradicate some of those things, maybe some of these other things don't become as necessary. And what he said to me is like, oh, that's not sustainable to not drink that water or to not use those cleaners. And I go like of course it is sustainable you just have to make some systematic changes it is and honestly it really doesn't have to and i think it goes even so much deeper than that but you're clearly onto something right it's not that there's something wrong with our body our body isn't malfunctioning and breaking down we live in a very toxic modern environment and that's the chemicals you know that that's in our water and plastics that, you know, surrounds our food.

But it's also, you know, the fact that most people are indoors 90% of the time. You know, they're on screens and under these artificial lights after dark. Like, that's not how humans lived for millions of years. And to think that we're going to be healthy in those situations is just, um, not in my house. We're not, because you know what?

This motherfucker tries to turn on a light in my house at night after seven. And I don't do it anymore. My daughter now says to him, she goes, ew, dad, that hurts my eyes. She's like,

we have blue eyes. No, but it's funny because you guys maybe aren't as into maybe the measurement and I kind of go back for this, but we did live in LA and I would say our environment was like, it was like all the bad stuff, all the stuff that we were doing. Not just the city, just the way we were living. You can live well in that city, but we were just not. And I've since- I'd argue that you can't even live well in the city. In a city, I would argue maybe the same thing. I just don't want to shit on LA so much. But

I had blood work and physicals done there. And I've had, since I've been here, the same thing. And my markers have gotten better and better and better as we've made these changes and changed our environment. And I've gotten older and older. And so to me, it's like, okay, the reason I'm so on board with this stuff now is I'm a data driven person and I see the data in my own blood work over the years after making these changes and hormones are better, blood works better, health's better, more energy, better sleep, all these things. And it's not just because we're working out a little bit. It's the whole environment shifted and changed. That makes sense. Absolutely. I wanted, I was attracted to as,

as a doctor for our family, because I feel like you are neutral in all different kinds of areas. Like you're, you're open to different ideas and you don't close, close it off. Do you actively work at that? Is that something that you thought about? Like, how did that come to fruition? Yeah. Like I said, it really started with my dad. You know, my dad had plenty of flaws, but I loved my dad and he was an extremely open-minded person and he did not trust authority at all. And so I think that's where it really comes from is a distrust of authority and a willingness to take responsibility for my health and you know when it comes to my patients you know providing them with all of the options that are because because really i when i you know i talk a lot about sovereignty

in health care and what i mean by that is that sovereignty is having uh the power to make just all the power that someone else doesn't have the power over me. I have the power and the response and 100 percent of the responsibility over me in my domain. Right. And so I believe that everyone else should have that, too, or at least that option to choose that. And in health care, that means that I view it as my job to provide you with all of the available treatment options for anything that you're dealing, any symptom that you're dealing with and the risk and benefits of those treatment options so that you can make the best decision for you or your family member. I would love for you to talk about toxins in the house and what your opinion is on each thing and what your swaps are in your own home. I know you're very into grounding and earthing. Just talk about how you run your own

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honestly i just leave them alone yeah i don't they my children probably bathe maybe once a week can you talk to him and they don't use mich't use... Michael's a fourth Japanese. He thinks they have to bathe every day. Can you... One time we had somebody on and they were talking about this and when the clip went viral and they said we were abusing people. Oh, Lord.

They said something about privilege too. I was like, what? I didn't know how that works. What were they doing? I did delayed bathing with both my kids. After they were born. Yes, that's... Why would you need to...

Why are they dirty? They're not dirty. I want them to sit After they were born. Yes, that's... Why would you need to... Why are they dirty? They're not dirty. I want them to sit in my vagina juice. Yes. Just even think about that. There is a thing, you know, where they seed, like, give a C-section birth, like...

They put the vagina juice on them. Anyways, the thing went by. Somehow, I never really understood why. People were very angry about it. Okay, but talk to us about how you only bathe your kids once a week. I want to know more about that. Well, first off, I just let my kids do what they want to do.

And they don't... Like, why? I have four children. I'm not going to fight with my kids over little stupid things like bathing. Agreed. What's the age gap again? Almost 10, 7, 5, and 2. Woo!

You're in it. Yeah. So, you don't make them bathe every day you'll just do when they want to once a week at may if it's once a week you know when now they so they swim we have a pool and they swim in the summer so i guess we call that bathing so it's probably even less than that you know but no we tell it like our kids have autonomy over their bodies and their rooms, assuming, you know, and they can make all the choices around that, assuming they're safe. I think that's cool. Zaza, we just read this book that my friend sent me about being the boss of her body. Yes. And yesterday she was like acting up and I said, who's the boss? And she said,

well, you are mom, but I am the boss of my body. So you get, I love it. So this is great. And that gets difficult, but like, I'll tell you this, my daughter this year, when she started school, she actually, it was like the second week of school and I picked her up and you know, she had been to the office like twice that day. And I'm like, what is going on? Because here I am, I was like a goody two shoes in school, like straight A's, you know, star athlete, like, let me just make everybody happy. Right. And that came from a, you know, kind of a traumatized place. But so I picked my daughter up and I'm like, what, like, I've never been to the, sent to the office or been, you know, disciplined like that.

I'm like, what did she do? And it's like, well, she didn't want to come in from the playground is when it started. And then, you know, I tried to tell her to come in and she was saying no my body my rules i can do whatever i want you know and she just like she was leaving the classroom because she wanted to go out to play and so it gets into this you know because i want my kids to have be a free thinker yes yeah and to have you know autonomy and to make make decisions and deal with those consequences. And that's when we, you know, we've been trying to guide her and, you know, well, you can certainly make that decision, but there, you know, if you want to be around your friends in class, there are consequences to that. And that might be that you're at, you know, homeschooling next year or,

you know, next week with mom and dad, you know, and you don't get to be around your friends. Talk to us about homeschooling. I know that you have talked a little bit to me off air about it. What are the pros? What are the cons? What have you seen about it? So I never thought we'd be homeschooling our kids at all. We have several. We started a school out in Dripping shortly after 2020 when everything, you know, happened and they were masking kids at school and all of that jazz. So a couple of my kids, two of my kids are at that school. It's a Waldorf, you know, style school. And then my oldest is at home and my husband this year has primarily been running that. But like, you know, and we started with like a Waldorf curriculum, but that doesn't, that's not Waldorf. I don't know if you're familiar with Waldorf teachers, but they're very kind of more not, Waldorf, I don't know if you're familiar with Waldorf teachers, but they're very kind of more hippie-ish, I guess, if you're going to

describe them in some way, and that is not my husband at all. He just has a different way of teaching. So, he's kind of just abandoned that and is doing his own thing. But, you know, that looks like he's working around, you know, the ranch with my husband, like he was digging holes, like operating the tractor and digging holes to plant trees for the orchard the other week. You know, he's welded, was learning to weld. Like my husband had someone come over to do that. You know, I've got him a CrossFit in a CrossFit class with some of his other friends. He does jujitsu now. He just recently got into that and it's competing. Oh, he loves it it and it's been great to your dad board because i'm gonna need you to teach how to use a tractor i want you to keep going but then yeah i have a

couple of thoughts on this but i want you to keep going yeah so it's just uh what else you know we have him in he does handwork so that's a very waldorf thing like you know once a week he goes to uh one of his teachers has a class out of her home where they learn to, you know, crochet and knit. And he makes like, you know, felting stuff. And he just learned to read, by the way. And the reason he learned to read is because he wanted to be able to, you know, read Harry Potter to himself. And how old is he? He's nine.

He's about to be 10. So we're not in a rush. We know our kids. I'm an intelligent person. My husband's an intelligent person. Your husband has a book publishing company right yeah yeah he'll be fine my husband's a published author like it's gonna be okay why are we rushing to have children read in kindergarten when they need to be playing i feel like that with all the milestones though

like i literally have no idea when my kids first started walking if you ask me i don't know a zillion dollars i have no idea i feel like they feel like they'll all get there when they get there. I can't sit there and fixate on this fake milestone that someone put on the internet. And if you're anxious about that, your kid's going to feel it and that's going to create issues for them. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I go back and forth with this because I was terrible in school and I was in the office every day. I had so many detentions that they had to convert the time to then lunch detentions. Oh, wow. Licked them off.

Then they had to convert it to Saturday schools for four hour blocks. And then anyways, not because I was so bad, but I just wanted to do my own thing. And anyways, the reason I go back and forth and it's not my parents' fault. This is the modern school system. That environment, looking back, was probably not right for someone like me. No, you should have been welding and doing jujitsu. And I even look back on college, and this is going to sound really dumb. I'm going to sound like an idiot, but hopefully my accomplishments now speak for themselves a bit. I don't want to be arrogant. But I don't remember

one thing really that I learned in college. Meaning I don't remember what I took away from it. I just remember being there. I learned angles. I hope my children don't go to college. I remember partying a lot. I remember being there. I remember sitting in classes. I remember thinking the whole time, I'm never going to use any of this and don't care. I remember being in high school, thinking to myself, the only class I cared about was English and history. Like math, you know, I'm like, okay, you need to know math. But to a point, I'm like, I don't know what all the, I just knew I wasn't going to use it. And I just was getting in trouble all the time. So I think this approach where it's like one size fits all for every kid is-

Not healthy. It's not healthy. No. And I mean, y'all know the origins of the school system. I mean, it's just to create obedient worker bees. Which then is not necessarily- Do you want an obedient worker bee for your child? No. And also, I don't even want an obedient worker bee for any of the companies that I run. I want people that are thinking and bringing ideas to the table and looking at what's wrong in the

organization to improve it, not just to be like, hey, I'm going to do exactly what I'm told all the time. That's a great point. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think in any endeavor too, I mean, maybe in some, but I don't want to cog in the wheel. I want Carson over there to be like, hey, I have a better idea or I want to do something differently or like, hey, we've been doing it this way, but let's try it differently. I never want someone to just follow the rules. Right. Well, a lot of people want to have power over others. And the whole system really is designed to traumatize children and to keep them from themselves, really. And, you know, because I, I believe so much of the growth in my life

and my journey has been working through my trauma and social programming to, to come home to myself and to know myself. And I hope that my children, my children are going to have their work to do, right? We each have a journey that we're on, but at least I'm not going to be dumping the same things onto them. And I've learned a few things to where I'm not going to expose them to that system. Yeah. I mean, if I see one of my children going through school the same way that I did, I'll probably look to do something. Because looking back, and again, I don't pass any blame on it. I take accountability for everything that's happened in my life. But sitting as a child for hours and hours quietly in a room

with your head on a desk as a little boy yeah and having someone lecture to you that's not interesting like he was like banned from the disneyland trip i remember all this being i remember i was his girlfriend he's banned from the disneyland trip you would have to sit in oh yeah oh yeah come on i love some color anyone that's colorful i'm like come to me he he would have to sit in... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on. I love some color. Anyone that's colorful, I'm like, come to me. He would have to literally sit there for eight hours. I don't even think they gave you a book. But what did that do to how you felt about yourself? So as I've gotten older, I've thought about this a lot because I kind of just ignored

it for a long time. And then I was like, wait, if every day you don't go to lunch with the kids okay so they say you go to school to be social but if every day instead of being social you sit at a desk with your head quietly in a room and then every day after school everybody goes home and you sit an hour after it was horrible and then on saturdays you come and sit for four hours and then everybody goes on the school trips and you don't get to go it's like and your parents allowed this they didn't say anything i think i don't think i don't get to go. It's like... And your parents allowed this? They didn't say anything? They didn't ask, like... I don't blame them because... I think they just... They were so, like, academic

that they just didn't... They didn't know. My mom is... Oh, you said... Yeah, she's half Japanese, straight-A student, straight-A college, all of that. She didn't know.

My dad never went to college, military. But I don't think... But still, military is very... Yeah, I think they just told them, like, yo, your son is, like... Is bad. Is bad, and this is... Like, the consequences, and they're... And they accepted that? I mean, my son is like... Is bad. Is bad. And this is like the consequences.

And they accepted that? I mean, I'm sorry, mom. I'm going to cry. At the end of the... I'm not bashing your mom or your parents. I'm just curious about... I think it was a time when like... Different time.

Like, I don't know what you're... I just don't think parents, they just trusted the school. I also think that as social media has given us more information, we've been more open-minded and been able to grow as people. They, at the end of all of it, they handed, like, I got out of all the school and there was a binder. I'm not kidding. It was like this thick full of just all my detentions. She was so ashamed she threw them away. I wish she would have kept them so I could like go back. Your mom? Yeah, I wish I could go back and like read what the hell they were for. Also, I'll tell you, I'll give you some, like, I mean, thank God my dad did this.

Like in kindergarten, like I was getting in trouble every day and so my dad my parents eventually like what she's not a bad kid like what what's going on here and so they went and had a conversation with a teacher and they had her write notes like a report every day as to what you know what had been going on and when she had to do that I no longer was getting in trouble because I was getting she did did not, she was projecting some things on me, like some unresolved. And that's what happens. Like some of her own unresolved issues on me.

And when she was held accountable to detail exactly what was going on, it became very apparent that the problem was not me. So like, give us an example. I think generally speaking, what she was, I was very much, I mean, I, my daughter Vaughn is who I was a very free kind of wild child I wasn't wild but just a free child that wanted you know very independent and that had been squashed out of her and she didn't like seeing that in me. There it is. really evaluate that thought that immediately came to me. Wait a second. She's not a bad child.

She's expressing, she wants autonomy and freedom and, you know, and I get, and that's healthy. I want that in my children. And so having to look at, at me and the ways in which,

Oh, actually that was suppressed in me. Yeah. Because I was, I was given the signal that if I acted in that way and was a leader and free and allowed to be like wild, you know, and just fully expressive that I wouldn't be loved. Yeah. I can relate to that, especially as a woman. It's very challenging when a woman is really confident and independent and confident within her independence. And it also is challenging.

I've noticed when I was younger too, for males. Yeah. Like it's, they, they don't, they want the woman to go back in the perfect box with the bow. And if you challenge that,

it, it, it makes them insecure. No, I think what, I think it challenges anyone when people fall outside of like the pretty box, right? Where it's like,

this is the, this is the way that there's the orderly way to do things listen to our podcast and the way that as you know the reason i'm not angry at all about what happened with me it's like it's not like some crazy trauma people have it way worse but my the way i handled that was like i'm i think they were like we're gonna break this guy down so that he and i was like i'm gonna go the opposite way and see how far i can take it is that, no, you handle, and not that you should like, like you're handling it in a very healthy way because it's like, you can't, you have no control over these things that happen to you, but it's how you react to it. Right. And it's now your responsibility to heal and you know, whatever it was that happened to you.

Yeah. And I, but I guess the long point is that as I've gotten older, I don't pass blame on my parents. But if that was going on with my child, I would say, okay, this is probably not the right environment. And I think whenever you talk about homeschooling or alternative schooling or not going to college, people get so up in arms because the norm is like you go through the school system, you go to college, you graduate, you get a job. But that may not work for everybody. Well, it's the norm. It's how, because most people are concerned with their status in the community, right? And getting a college degree, even if it's, you know, some nonsense, you know, I'm not going to, you know, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, right? But like, it doesn't, status, like, what does that mean? Status from your college that you went to college? No, like, I would prefer that my kid learns how to do something that enriches his life, you know, their lives and other people's lives, like having a trade or creating a business

or, you know, whatever. My godfather is a guy, he graduated eighth grade and that's it. And he's done really well. I won't say him by name, but he was in an argument one day with a bunch of like Ivy League lawyers and they were going back and forth about something. And the guy was throwing all his degrees and whatever in his face.

He goes, yeah, yeah, I got a bunch of you pencil pushers working somewhere in my legal department. And I thought about, and I just think about that because to your point, like some of those people are great and wonderful. And then there's people like him

that don't have any kind of like real education, but go and make it. And it's to each his own. I don't think like, I think there's no one size fits all. And there's no like, this is best for everybody. It's different. College may be the right choice for some people, but a lot of people mindlessly choose these things because it's what's expected of them or it's what brings them status or you know like you know and growing up right vocational degrees and you know these kind of like blue-collar jobs were not considered high status and i think those times are changing

yeah because we couldn't reach the world like yeah and do you want a man who's able to fix shit or you know is helpless when you know they hit a pipe and you know now your water shut off like because and my husband's had to like he's made this shit like he has a JD from Duke Law School that he has never used and now he knows how he's taught himself, right? How to fix a pipe. Is that your puppeteering? Oh, no, no, no, not at all. So he just has naturally done that. Yeah. Okay. When did you guys kind of go in that direction? So we have to give the audience context. You're married to Tucker Max. Yes. Who I read his book, I think when I was in college. Yeah. I hope they serve beer in hell,

which turned into a movie, right? How did you guys meet? His CrossFit coach had trained with me in CrossFit and she met him at a party one time. And basically he, she said, well, this, you know, he was with some girl and she said, you know, who was, who are you bringing to my party like this girl just she's not good enough for you and he said okay well introduce me to the girl who is and she said well I know someone but I don't think you could handle her and he said introduce me to the girl that I can't handle and so anyways I didn't know I'd never heard of his books I never read them that's perfect perfect, though. Yeah.

So she texts me and she's like, hey, I've got, you know, this guy I want to set you up with. His name's, you know, it's the Tucker. It's like Tucker Max. You know, like I'm like, like it's someone. And I said, who is that? She said, Google him. And so I Google him. And then I go to his website.

It's like, hi, my name's Tucker Max. I get inappropriately drunk and, you know, sleep with all these women. And I'm like, I thought you're my friend. Why, like Jen, why are you wanting to, you know, set me up with this guy? And so I said no. And then she kept asking like over a period of six months. And eventually I just had nothing to do on a Saturday night. And I was like, okay, if he calls himself an asshole, he must at least be funny. And then I went on a double date with him and, you know rest is history did you like him right away I did because when I met him I was like oh this he was kind of busting my balls because he um there's a whole story about he called me a pretty little prepper what is pretty little pepper so I I don't know how we got talking about it but like uh I had some like gold

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Was there any bumps in the road with that? You're just, I don't care. Let's move forward. I mean, it wasn't like that's who he is. You know, that was a time like most guys are out, you know. He's just honest about it. Yeah. Yeah. Most guys are disgusting assholes

before they get married. They're all doing the same thing. They're all dogs. You guys are all disgusting. Let's not act like all the women out there are so innocent, okay? That's true too.

You are absolutely correct about that. I'm not saying women aren't innocent. We're just talking about guys right now. I have now been privy because of this show

to a lot of the conversations that you women have behind closed doors. I'm in there now. I hear a lot of them and I'm like, in some cases, it's much worse than the men i think women cheat more than men uh i don't know the data on that i know women uh precipitate divorce 70 of the time i kind of like to give that stat all the time to him to be like you never know you better be on your toes buddy

it gives him a little like threat, you know? Oh, Michael. So how long have you guys been together and how has your relationship evolved as you've evolved as a practitioner? We've been together, what, so 20, 13, 11 years now. Wow. That's a long time. Yeah.

I don't know. Time's kind of flown. In some ways. You know, we've each been, i mean tucker will say like we've had like three marriages almost like you know as we've evolved i mean we've evolved tremendously as individuals we've both been on our own healing and growth journeys but we've done that together you know because clearly you know i don't think you know back in 2013 we were living in a you know penthouse on rainy street you know I don't think we ever envisioned

either of us that we'd be out and dripping on land and Tucker would be digging holes to plant trees in and come in covered in mud. Yeah. I mean, he was always about, no, just hire someone else to do that work for you so you can spend time. But there's things actually, it makes sense and feels good to get your hands dirty. Why do you think he was called so much to that? You know, I'll speak for myself on that one. Well, I can kind of speak for him too, but I mean, for me, as I did more of my emotional healing work, I just had this inner voice. We'd go, we had, we have a place in Tennessee in the mountains that we bought in 2020, backs up to the Smoky Mountain National Park. And we'd come

home to the burbs at that point we were living in, like, you know, Barton Creek. And it just, like, felt yucky. And I just had this inner, you know, voice that said, you cannot be separate from nature and be healthy. And I didn't really know what that meant at the time now I have more of an idea of what that meant and why that gets into grounding and sun and being outside and all of and all of that but 2020 and COVID happened and it was just like screw this let's get on land let's become more sovereign you know as like actually you know when we're we say we want to be sovereign but we're living in the burbs you know buying our food at whole foods right let's actually do it you know and we were waiting we'd kind of we'd have that inkling for a while and we were waiting for like the perfect moment to do it and And eventually we just had to say, Tucker came home from a trip and was like, I think we just, you know, need to do it. Let's do it. I said,

okay. And so we just took the dive, sold our place, took us a while. You know, we, we were without a house here for a while. And then until we've six months or so until we found the place and tripping. What are the bigger or biggest challenges about kind of living that way versus more suburban city whole foods life? I mean, I would have said in the past, you know, like I have to commute to Austin occasionally to my office there. Maybe challenge isn't the right word, but I guess maybe the biggest difference is like... It's the conveniences that are of living in the city. I mean, I had this idea even like when we moved to Barton Creek I like it's funny that I love living further out

now because I was kind of you know I didn't want to move to Barton Creek because that wasn't like that was out of the city to me which is just suburban for people who don't live in Austin but it's just you know the idea that oh I like to go to Uchi or Uchiko or you know these restaurants and you know easily be able to run to the grocery store. So you just have to change the way that you think, you know, so when you go to the grocery store, you know, it's 30 minutes away. So you're going to just, you know, buy what you need for the week or whatever. I am inspired by that. You have mentioned you each went on your own path of healing. What was specifically that looking like? Yeah. So one of the things that I didn't mention this. So when Tucker and I met on our second date, so on our first date, you know,

he'd asked me all that. He was asking all that just as like my husband does very probing like questions about my family and my upbringing. And he wasn't trying to be probing per se. He's just very direct and interested. And I was kind of like squirming in my seat at like later, like now I can look back and I was like super anxious, you know, but also interested at the same time that, wow, this guy's so interested in me that he's asking these questions. So on our second date then, and he had told me that he'd been in therapy. And so I asked him, you know, I said, I've been thinking about it. And, you know, there's some things that, you know, that you came up in our conversation.

I think I need to probably address, do you have any therapists that you'd recommend? And that gobsmacked him. That was shocking for him that I was actually going to take that kind of self-reflective step. And so he'd been in therapy at that point. And that's when I started my kind of therapeutic journey. And I was doing, he was doing psychoanalysis and that's what I got into, which is very, really, very intellectual.

And I think that's kind of, you know, when you're staying in your head and not connecting with your body, there's limitations to, you know, the benefit you're gonna get out of that. You know, so personally, and then I've, you know, moved on to trying, you know, craniosac going to get out of that you know so personally and then i've you know moved on to trying you know craniosacral which is breath work and you know and then i've you know done some therapeutic work with psychedelics and he has as well and all guided and facilitated

right and safe settings and yeah and that's kind of you know and then you know finding different you know talk therapy and therapeutic modalities like somatic experiencing and NARM and internal family systems and things like that are that are more embodied, you know, and that's kind of, you know, been kind of how that's gone. I have to ask you off air some questions about this. Yeah. Before you go. Yeah. I have to get because I've asked you this off air, your take on raw milk. So just to give a little background, I started posting about raw milk and how much I love it.

It's amazing. I think it's the best pre-workout cause I put it with my coffee and it's a little bit of protein, a little bit of sugar, a little bit of carb and it keeps me really satisfied. And I noticed that my body was craving it. So then I came to you and I was like, hey, like with my son, I'm giving him milk. Can I give him raw milk? And you were like, let it rip. Give your take on this because for some reason, people think it's so weird that I would want to give my family raw, real milk. That's funny. So, you know, it's like the circles that I run in now, it's like, oh, that's the, the weird thing would be to give the

pasteurized milk. Yeah. I think we're in those circles now. Yeah. Oh, good. No, I mean, like raw milk is the more natural version of milk with the live enzymes and all the things that help you digest it, all of the reasons that you would drink milk, raw milk has those things in it and it's alive. So pasteurized milk, they heat it up at high temperatures and it kills all of those enzymes and probiotics and things like that. And that actually makes it more difficult to digest. I can't drink pasteurized milk without getting a stomach ache. Neither can you. I never drink pasteurized milk.

Well, I don't drink it anymore because, but like if I were to have ice cream from like Lick per se, I'm going to get a tummy ache. Yeah. But my husband makes raw milk ice cream literally like every night and it doesn't cause me a problem. Wait, hold on.

How does he make raw milk ice cream? Is he like milking the cow and bringing it in and churning the butter? How does he do that? So we get, we actually, our neighbor makes it. This is where community comes in handy. Like, so my neighbor around the Sundance Farms, they, she has a Jersey cow and I get my raw milk from her. Okay.

You know, it's all legal through a co-op deal here in Texas. But, and then, you know, he has, we have, I think it's Winter, W-H-Y-N-T-E-R. It's a machine that like freezes it. You don't have to put it in the freezer beforehand. It makes, you know, from start to finish, you've got ice cream in like 30 minutes. And what does he put in the ice cream?

Raw milk, heavy cream, maple syrup, honey, vanilla, salt. I think that's it. I am doing a blog post called Veronicaonica and tucker max ice cream recipe with raw milk i swear it's that sounds so good oh he does actually these these chocolates like 90 dark chocolate that has a little bit of toffee or something in there that he throws in the blender and then well you text me exactly the thing yes what should people look for when they're buying raw milk like is there anything that is a red flag to you? Because I know sometimes like it needs to be

from the right source. Yeah. I mean, I think most people who are doing that, like a small farm, right. That I don't, I don't know in the world that I live in, I feel much safer going with a neighbor down the street who I know, you know, the conditions the cow's living in and what she's doing and, you know, her cleanliness practices than I do some corporate entity who doesn't know me and has no responsibility. Like, say I got sick from the raw milk, like she would feel horrible. She would know about it and all of our community would know about it there's like very real repercussions there for her as opposed to like you know purity dairy or whatever yeah yeah like they don't cut sins milk how do you say it no is it nuts or cuts i don't know we my mom every mom

in the 90s had the blue non-fat, Nudson's, Cudson's, whatever the fuck it's called, milk. And they thought nonfat milk was healthy. I got turned off to that kind of milk because I had a friend who would always tell me, if you don't drink milk, you're going to break your bones. You have weak bones. And this guy, I swear, he had bird bones. These things would snap left and right.

Yeah, because he wasn't drinking raw. That had been drilled into him by his parents. And so I was like, this guy's drinking all the milk and he's snapping left and right. And so I was like, no, no, no. It was because it wasn't raw. So that had been drilled into him by his parents. And so I was like, this guy's drinking all the milk and like his snapping left and right. And so I was like, no, no, no. It was because it wasn't raw. Well, and also we were joking. There's other things in there too, but yeah. I was talking to my dad and I was explaining this and he's older and you know, like he's maybe been told that this is, you know, he reads the headlines like bird flu, raw milk. And then you realize like there's actually been no cases, but I digress. I've had people. Yeah. And so I was

telling him like, you know, like when you grew up, my dad's turning 80. I'm like, when you grew up as a kid, there was no such thing as raw. It was just called milk, right? We come up with these weird terms now because there's all these new ways. But like milk was just milk. It was just milk. Just like home birth was normal. All babies were born at home.

I'm not going to actually talk to you if i have another baby about home birth i think it's amazing i actually am not that scared to do a home birth i'm more scared that my home will get messy well the cool see you didn't know this about midwives but midwives will make sure that your house is they won't leave until like laundry's done you've been fed everything's babies breastfeeding that everything is in order. Wait, so could I have Townsend Zaza there watching? Yeah, yeah, 100%. It doesn't scare them? I invited my kids to, when I had Cardinal, my two-year-old, and it happened I had her at 8 p.m. or something, and so they weren't that interested.

Okay. But no, there's all kinds of, I've seen women having their babies with their younger children there. And I think for women, especially, that's super important for children to see that that's possible. It's not scary. There's so much fear, you know, around birth and being able to witness that. I mean, I think that is the way that you dispel that fear that we have in society. Does it hurt? Yeah, it hurts. Like really bad? I mean, I can handle pain. I just want to know like on a scale. I've had four kids at home. So like, yeah. And I'm not some, you know, we like to create these stories. Oh, well, she's a, you know, she's a super woman, whatever, because she did this, you know, like look at her. But no, like, you know, my first, I remember having Bishop at home. That was my first. And had I been in the hospital, hell yeah, I would have asked for some pain meds. Like it hurt.

It's almost like you couldn't because of where you were. So it's just like, it wasn't an option. So I wasn't going to ask. And you know what? I knew myself. I think that's part of the reason I chose a home birth because I knew that these interventions have consequences and at home, it's just not an option. Would you, what if i had a home birth what would you do you would be so like i don't know i could would you be anxious i would

have to talk i could see you pacing around for a while we'd have to do we'd have to do a couple sessions so the midwives actually handle you too and so he was funny like he is the type that like he doesn't you do not tell him what to do the midwives like he realized afterwards like shit they had me like you know doing whatever they you know they were like ordering me around and i just did it and didn't even think about it and they asked him like what you know sphingali stuff were you doing like like you know techniques were you using on me but they just have this way where they just kind of like whisper suggestions from the side you know in? In that situation, I'm doing what I'm told. Yeah,

they had him, you know, they had him. I'm not going to be like, I got it guys. I'm just going to do what I'm told because I don't know. So initially, so it started with like,

he put his hand on me. He's like, oh, like I was going through a contraction. He's like, oh, you're going to be okay. And I was like,

get off of me. Like this hurts, you know, like I got pissed because you don't tell someone who's in pain. It's going to be okay. Fuck you. And also like, what are they doing? Like sitting, eating, right? don't tell someone who's in pain it's going to be okay fuck you and also like what are they doing like sitting eating right like no i'm in pain and it's not okay you know and you know and so they they got oriented him to just you know providing me with water and making coffee and being just you know and that was like that when that was great

that's exactly what i needed and supporting me when i needed it you know so they'll put you i do like the idea of not having to sleep on that shitty cot that's in the hospital i'll get you a cot and make you go straight to your bed and you go to sleep yeah like i bring a whole prodding you all night long the first time i don't like that i went to the hospital i was unprepared the second time i looked like i was camping for a week i could only imagine i showed up with all the stuff the nurse like be moving in. I was like, I'm not, I know that cot. I know what's waiting for me. I'm kind of like, not joking. I'm kind of like, Michael's dying. I actually am kind of like thinking about a home birth. To be honest, they don't really take care of the men in those

hospitals. Of course they don't. How are you literally making this about you? You know, the food's not great. Oh my God, I literally don't care. Go stay in the hospital while I give birth at home. For all the women that are listening, I just want you to know, like, we are sitting on that cot and it is painful during the birth. Okay? And it's not nice and it's cold. What if you need, like, stitches or, like... They can... So, let me...

And I want to come back to the pain thing, too. Okay. Because, yes, it hurts. But there are things like, you know, you can't discount the sense of safety by being in your own home and have, you know, like that is that creates safety and that relieves pain. Being I gave birth to all of my kids in water, like warm water that relieves pain. You set up like a pool in your house? Yeah. Yeah. Like a blow up, you know, birthing pool thing. How do they get the water in?

You have to have a special adaption for and you put a hose on the you know the sink and you got to prep all this stuff beforehand i would like all these people in my house you can choose who's there but think about all the people in the hospital in the hospital you don't have a say in who's there at home you can say who's who you want there and who you don't want and honestly in the hospital and this is an important point and i think a lot of people don't know this in the hospital you can tell people to get the fuck out oh i did okay interns came in like the interns came in like drusilla and anastasia from cinderella yeah they were like hi i'm like out yeah like people you i was like you guys want a tiny's cookie i mean you're like do you want a signed book you like gave me a book to sign i'm like bitch get out of here i was like do you have

a do you have a an upgrade on the sofa i was like a free book for anyone that's got an upgrade so michael trying to work the work the system i'll do whatever i gotta do uh veronica we go to you for our family's medical care in texas we were attracted to you because I love how you pair Eastern and Western together. And I love how you give us choice over the direction of where we're going. I don't ever feel like there's been any pressure. If someone wants to work with you, where can they find you? One thing I do have to say that I love about your services is I can text you whenever. It's like an open channel. If I have a question, you've come to my home before.

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