The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Janice Dickinson - The World's First Supermodel Shares All The Juice

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

#659: Today, we're sitting down with the legend, Janice Dickinson. Janice is one of the most successful models of the 1970s and 1980s, an author, and she also served as a judge on four cycles of the reality series America's Next Top Model. Today, we're having a conversation about her life, success, and the secrets she talked about in her book, 'No Lifeguard on Duty.' We discuss how the modeling industry has progressed since the 70s, what it was like being a supermodel in her era, and she also shares insights about her favorite ex-boyfriends (with Mick Jagger being a top one). She also provides information on Bill Cosby, her childhood, and all the best skincare tips. To connect with Janice Dickinson click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/SKINNY to receive 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Beis Beis has thought of everything you could ever want in a piece of luggage...360 degree gliding wheels, a cushioned handle, built-in weight indicator, washable bags for your dirty clothes, and all the interior pockets you need to keep organized. Go to beistravel.com/skinny for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It’s really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit & hand soap, plus free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Dreamland Baby Use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off sitewide & free shipping at dreamlandbabyco.com This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Ritual Start a daily ritual that you can feel good about. Visit ritual.com/SKINNY to receive 20% off your first month of Ritual. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Being on America's Next Top Model was, it was contagious. You know, I knew what I was talking about. I was the only person on the show that knew what they were talking about. The rest of the judges, just yes, tirade to death. And I would sit there and go, no. We just need more to see what the world actually looks like and how it does exist in the modeling world. I have to be honest, I normally don't get nervous for interviews, but this one, I was a little nervous. And that is because we are sitting down with a legend, Janice fucking Dickinson. What an icon. She is one of the most successful

models of the 1970s and 1980s. She is the world's first supermodel. She is also an author, a judge on four cycles of the reality show America's Next Top Model. She's also a singer. We'll get to that. And she has a few famous ex-boyfriends like Mick Jagger. She gives us all the meat and potatoes on Mick Jagger. In this episode, we're going to talk about growing up with an abusive father, how she got her start in modeling, Mick Jagger, more famous ex-boyfriends, modeling, the industry, how it's changed, Tyra Banks, pretty woman, Bill Cosby, why she got sober, and all of her skincare tips. I think this episode is super special to me because my mom and my aunt, when I was a little girl, probably about like 14 or 15, gave me Janice's book, No Lifeguard on Duty. And I read it and fell in love with her

honesty. I just liked how she was such an oversharer. And she told it how it was. And she told it how it is. And then I bought her next book, Everything About Me is Fake and Imperfect. And I just laughed the whole book. And then when I was an adult, I went back and read both of her books. And now I have a signed copy. So it's really full circle to have Janice on the podcast. I know you're going to love this episode. Janice Dickinson, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I have harassed Janice Dickinson to come on this podcast for, I think if you, I told you, if you scroll back in your Instagram for maybe five years, I read your book, your books 15 years

ago, fell in love with you, read them again, recommended them to my friends who read them. And I'm just so excited you're here. The world's first supermodel on the Skinny Confidential. Oh gosh darn, i'm so happy i want to sort of do this podcast like your life story and i'd love to start with your childhood because you talk about that in the opening of your book no lifeguard on duty what was your childhood like in retrospect it was happy because i chose to make it happy. But in my house, my father was a pedophile and he was molesting my older sister like as often as he could. And I was just always privy to that knowledge. And I would do anything to separate them, like scream. If they were in a room together,

I'd start screaming and it was painful. And I did not know how to, I didn't know how to tell my mother because my father told me that he would kill her or something. Yeah. What age did you become aware of this? About when I was five. Oh my God. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's just, it just shouldn't have taken place.

It's so wrong. Well, I mean, just thinking about that dynamic, it's like, it's the wrong well i mean just thinking about that dynamic it's like it's the person that's supposed to protect you and love you but also probably at that time the disciplinary in the house so you're worried about upsetting that person and then your sister's there suffering and not able to tell your i mean that is just that is just heavy to contemplate. It was hard. But I did have other aspects of my life that were great. When my father wasn't around, he was a merchant marine seaman. He'd go off for months and months at sea.

And that was great because it would just be us girls in the house. My younger sister, my older sister, myself, and my mom. And that was just a blast because we all laughed a lot. Yeah, we had to go to church. We didn't like the discipline of going to church, but she made us do it twice a week in Catholic school. It's devastating. Were you always a spitfire when you were young? Yes. Yes, always had to have the last word. And how did that go with your dad? Didn't go well at all.

No, he hit me a lot. So every time you spoke out, he just was like, get back in line. Yes. So you've always been this outspoken, unapologetic type of woman since you were little. Yes. Do you look back on your life when you were super little and see things too that you are now? Did you know that you were so beautiful and you wanted to be a model? I did. I just did. I mean, that sounds conceited, but I just knew that I was different

from anyone I'd ever seen. I'd look around and there was no one in the magazines. I was going through magazines at age nine. I didn't see anyone that looked like me or resembled me at all. And so I said, there's a place for you to me. I said to the little me. What was your first big break? Getting this campaign. It was called DIM, D-I-M, DIM.

And it was for Alta Sheer Stockings. It was all over the subways in Paris and Milan. And it was just me with this gaping smile. And my legs just coming out of nowhere. My legs were just so long. And that's when I first knew that I had hit some nerve or vein in the industry. When you look back, modeling must have been a way too for you to almost like escape your house. It was sort of like a ticket to get out, it seems like.

That's pretty good. It's a pretty good thing to notice. And what about your sister? She went off and went to college and she lived her life. She got married and she had a husband. My younger sister, she, she went to school. I brought her to Paris at a later date. So she became a model as well. And how did both of you get past that childhood trauma? What does that look like when you start to both go off on your own? Oh, well, I overspent. I didn't know when to stop. If there were like trays of Coke, I didn't know how to stop.

Alcohol. I could pretty much stop with alcohol because the taste of it made me sick. I just wanted to be at the party. I didn't want to be alone. You know who also said that in her book? Paris Hilton. She was molested in boarding school. I have a lot of respect for her. And she said that the reason that she liked to DJ and she liked to go out so late is she never wanted to go home and close

her eyes. She wanted to be around people all the time. So people are always like, how can you stay out till 4 a.m. every night? And she loved it. Easy. I mean, it makes sense. You don't want to be in the dark. You don't to be alone you want to be surrounded by noise and people and feel safe i've met her she's lovely i mean she's built an incredible career i'd say you're the first supermodel she's the first influencer she's starting to now get a lot of credit but for a long time she didn't get nearly enough credit but now if she's getting it now let's's support her, man. She's cool. So what was the industry like pre-Janice and post-Janice? The industry changed because you came in and sort of made the world's first supermodel. What did the industry look like pre-you and post-you?

It was bland. It was bland. The girls were bland. I had a tendency to hang out with Patti Cleveland, just really way out models that were cool. So when you came in and you started creating your own brand as a supermodel, did that change the industry? I don't know if I changed the industry. You think so? How?

I think that before there wasn't a personality to the model there was no attitude yeah i think that you came in and showed that there was something more than just a picture yeah i had a big mouth like i said i love to talk and i love to make people laugh and i loved hanging out with stand-up comics that was that was my you had more you added color to the industry a little bit like it just felt like you said it bland, and then you came in, and there was more dynamics to it. It wasn't just a picture. There was a personality behind the picture.

And whoa, when Studio 54 started, I was like the belle of the ball. I was there every single night. Tell us every detail about that. Every detail about that. It was like I just went and danced and had a glass of champagne and a cigarette and I was just dancing. I just never sat down and danced from 11 to 2 and then I went home. I was faithful about going home and getting rest. Who is at Studio 54 at this time with you? Everyone. Mick Jagger? Yes. Is he really all potatoes? What did you say? All potatoes, no meat? He's a lot of fluff.

Really? That's such a letdown. I know. You know, he let me down so bad. I mean, there we were, apparently, so in love with one another. He was cheating on his girlfriend at that point. I didn't really care because he told me he was going to dump her. Of course, you never believe guys.

Biggest mistake in the book, believe in us guys. I shouldn you no you believe me he looks honest you never know you gotta keep keeping him in line so mick jagger had a girlfriend and he was also courting you at the same time yes and he told you he was gonna leave the girlfriend yes so what happens when you guys are all at Studio 54? We never really went out together in public. How did he find you in the first place? Or did you find him? We met at On the Rocks up here, the Whiskey A Go-Go. Oh, that's cool.

And On the Rocks is this private club owned by Lou Adler at the time. And you were just in there hanging out? Yeah, I was on the dance floor just dancing my ass off. Like I said, I go out, I dance. And he looks over. And he sees this ball of energy just like bopping around. Who was the most fun celebrity that you dated? I feel like a lot of them were after you.

They were. Yeah. Warren Beatty, right? Yes. Yep. He was pretty handsome. That's a charming guy. Everyone thinks he's so handsome.

You don't. I don't know because maybe I... No, maybe I see him now. He was pretty handsome. That's a charming guy. Everyone thinks he's so handsome. You don't? I don't know because maybe I see him now. I don't know what he looked like when he was super young. Oh, Google him. Warren Beatty was a... Warren Beatty's hot? Warren Beatty was the hottest. Yeah, but it seems like that he was with everyone.

So? I know, I guess. Okay, let's see what he looks like young. Okay, he's cute. My publisher, my publicist over here, she's going, she was with everyone. Yeah, he was Dick Tracy. He was Dick Tracy. He's pretty hot.

Look at that. Come on. He's pretty hot. I feel like though he knows he's hot. Of course he does. Right. How can you not? Okay.

So Warren Beatty was that one that you look back at and you're like, that was fun. Yeah. I'd wake up at like four o'clock in the morning and he wasn't around in the bed or anything. And I looked in the bathroom and he was just sitting there staring at himself going. That makes me like him even more, actually. He was staring in the mirror. Yeah, staring. That would be a turn off to some.

I think that's even cooler. Like, what the hell are you doing up at four in the morning staring at yourself? That's what you got to do if you're Warren Beatty. He's like naked, I bet, in the mirror just looking at every ab. Yeah. That's a lot to take on for a girl, though. No, I didn't mind. You didn't mind?

No. You got it. Yes. Who else was fun to go on a date with? Jack Nicholson. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's my favorite. He was fun.

Oh. He was so fun. This is before he got bloated and put on weight, lost all his hair. Good personality, huh? Great. Who else was fun? Give us the juice. The juice on men.

Well, it's all here in the book. It's all in the book. It's all in the book. Were you mostly attracted to guys that were just like fun and funny and outlandish? It sounds like you mentioned earlier you were always with stand-up comics. I don't think she liked wallflowers. No, I liked somebody who had some punch, some fabric.

Like my husband. He's the smartest guy I've ever met. He's always reading, which kind of bores me that he's always reading, but he's reading everything in the world. Everything. Him and Michael would get along. But don't you

think that makes him more interesting because you can yeah i guess you can conversate with yes all sorts of different things yes not just a wallflower yes yeah what if you were to describe studio 54 to to our generation how would you describe it what was so different and special about it because i mean it's so iconic everyone talks it now, but like you were really there. You were in it. It was eclectic. It wasn't your average daddy.

You'd see girls walk in with pimps and hoes and you'd see just like top models with designers. You'd see, you know, beautiful people with one another. Just beautiful people. It was a haven for, you know, hedonistic lifestyle. What about the models that you were surrounded by? Who were the people that you hung out with? Well, there was Iman Bowie. What's not to love about her?

She seems fun. She was from Kenya and she she was always this is mine this is yours how could you talk like this you shed this accent that was great it was kenyan masai kenyan she was great all the models i mean i i hung out with with a girl named Bitten. I hung out with Gia Karanji. I hung out with Patty Hanson, Sean Casey, Pat Cleveland, Apollonia. What was that like when Gia went through everything that she went through? That seemed like it rocked your industry. Really sad. Yeah. Here's a girl that was just so incredibly beautiful. You don't even know how beautiful this girl was. There's a picture of her in this book somewhere.

She looked like a baby Sophia Loren. I guess she never got the girlfriend that she wanted. She just took it out on herself as far as heroin goes. She'd hit herself up before these shoots. And I was privy to watching it, and I would beg her to stop. And she would just laugh at me and pull out a switchblade

and act like a little jerk. Heroin was prominent in that time. For some reason, I thought it was more cocaine. It was more cocaine, but it was prominent as well, too. You could find anything you want back then. How do you think that the modeling industry has changed from when you were in it to now?

I think the designers are afraid today. They weren't afraid back in my day. They weren't afraid just to put out a sketchy design and have it out overnight and just see their designs on the runway three days later. They really were prolific in pushing their ideas and their collections. What about the models now compared to when you guys had models? Is it similar? Different?

I think the models are way different. You have a bunch of influencers out there today. Right. You have Paris Hilton. She's still an influencer. You have Gigi Hadid. You have, you know, Kris Jenner. Not Kris Jenner, Kendall Jenner.

You have, like, all those Jenners. Oh, a million of them. They stack up to what young girls must be bored. Young girls sitting at home, you know, like listening to Taylor Swift song music. Not that that's bad because I think Taylor Swift is like friendly and upbeat and my daughter loved seeing her at concert. Oh my God. People are obsessed. Yeah, that was a big thing in this office. People, people got obsessed. And what about Beyonce? She's like the same. Yeah. People are obsessed with her too. Yeah. People get obsessed with them. It's like a community. So when you look at the, the models now as influencers compared to when you guys were supermodels, the differences are

a lot of them are influencers now, whereas you guys didn't have social media we didn't have social media at all to save our lives we barely we barely had cell phones so how did you become so known without the vehicle of social media looking back word of mouth yeah were you super professional on set or was it 100 what did that look like it looked like a great model showing up early uh like i did here yeah i got worried when you got here today because there's a janice is here and it was like 45 minutes before i was like oh shit no but i hadn't didn't have my makeup on or anything i wanted to yeah get ready but i was worried because i when they told me i thought that i was like did we give her the wrong time when we messed up you're super early you're sweet you're sweet with america's next top model too i feel like there was a different time where you could actually say it how it is.

Now I feel like you can't do that. Oh, she was an editor. She was a great editor. The woman who did the show? Tyra Banks. Tyra Banks. Yes. Are you guys get along still?

No. No. We didn't get along on the show. That was real. We didn't get along. Why don't That was real. We didn't get along. Why don't you get along? Off the show. I don't know.

What's not to love about me? I don't know. I mean, you seem pretty fun. I just met you and I like you. Yeah. I like you a lot. Yeah. You're pretty cool.

I thought that was fake for the show, that you guys didn't get along. I didn't realize in real life you actually don't get along. If you were to pay me a fee, a salary, you say, okay, your job is to be the protagonist. You're going to make me look good. By in any way, shape, or form, your character has to dance around whatever I say because my word is God. Out of all the stuff that you've done, what is the favorite thing looking back? Because you've had a lot of different career changes. A top model?

Yeah. No, Top Model, was it being a supermodel? Was it all of the stuff that you've done, being a writer, everything, looking back on your whole career? Being on America's Next Top Model was, it was contagious. You know, I knew what I was talking about. I was the only person on the show that knew what they were talking about. The rest of the judges, just yes, tirade to death. And I would sit there and go, no, wrong contestant, wrong color of the skin, wrong. You need more diversity. You need more black girls. Could you say that? We need more, you know, Asian girls. We just need more to see what the world actually looks like

and how it does exist in the modeling world. Well, what's so interesting that I think maybe you don't even know is you were almost diverse looking. You were so diverse looking when you started modeling. At that time. Yeah, everyone was blonde with blue eyes, right? Yeah. Yes. So it's really evolved

yes it has and now you see all these little girls you know even like even the fill-ins for j-lo they all they all have like exotic looks and i and i look at that and i think okay i had a i had there was a part of my hand that participated in exotic girls making it to the forefront. Changing it. How did you, when all of a sudden you kind of break into the scene, how did you start managing fame? Did you like it or was it something that you kind of pulled back from? Well, I was clever with my work because I was able to maintain working for a lot of money for several years. So I just knew where the bread and butter was. You know, you don't mess with your

vouchers. You don't mess with your agents. You don't mess with, you know, your nice to your agents. You call them several times a day and just say, hey, fuck you. I love you. You know, or like whatever whatever it is how many fights have you and susan gotten in none none wow zero is it true that the song super freak was written after you ariel who's here my photographer vlogger told me that that song was written after you it was she's a super freaky girl how did that song get written like looking back knowing that the song was written after you like were there instances that you can think of well yeah because he he he he was a

hanger on at studio 54 after the lights went out and i was like there too in fact he got really mad at me because i called him prince i go yo prince what up why do you what do you mean why did he get mad he got mad yeah of course he got mad where princess looked like a lot more talented so how did you know the song was written after you did he like announce oh it? Oh he told me. He told me this one's for you. That's pretty cool. You call me snake woman. I mean listen that's that's pretty cool. I know. Is it true this is another rumor that we heard that you almost were pretty woman? I was. Tell us that story. Like the Julia Roberts movie? Yes, the Julia Roberts movie. I was married at that time

and I got the casting from Gary Marshall's office and I knew what to wear to the casting office, like hot pants and like midriff top and overblown lipstick and overblown makeup.

I was studying acting pretty diligently back in those days. It was just at the last minute I caved because it was in front of just about a handful of people and that's where I caved. I could never, the words of my father kept coming back to haunt me. You'll never make it you're not good enough i have that written down that he said that to you i can't imagine a father i mean that is he had his own demons oh demon man yeah 100 did he was he ever outed or caught or did anybody ever i i when you shared told a policeman about his activities when i was called out of a classroom because i had hit a little boy on a bicycle and i changed

the accident because i was so afraid of my dad killing me for not being where i was supposed to be that night uh and of course the little boy went home and told his mom what really happened i knocked him over on the bike with my car. He wasn't injured. The bike was a little screwed up. My car was a little screwed up. But I said, can we recreate this accident somewhere else? Please, I'll give you all the money I have in my pocket.

I had like 30 bucks. You can have this 30 bucks and I'll get you a new bicycle. I promise. He said, okay, okay. But like the next morning I got to school. My first class, there was this nice police officer summoning me to the front door.

And I knew I was caught. So this led to a big, a big hullabaloo in my household my like i i i told the police man that i can't tell my father the truth about this he'll just beat the shit out of me and i'm tired of being beaten up all the time i'm beaten up as is and i told him about my sister and he was like you know and i told him about how he he would he came on to me early in my life but I denied him I just said no don't you don't you touch me why are some why are some kids stronger than other kids they just are so the policeman said

he went over to my house my house and he had a long talk with my dad. And he said, if you ever touch this girl again, if I find out that she has a black mark on her arm or she has a swollen lip or she has like droplets of blood coming out of her elbow, you're going to jail. And that's what stopped him. Does your sister say that's what stopped him too when she looks back on it i don't think so i don't think she remembers she was out of the house by then oh my god that's drag did you ever find out what was wrong with him i mean outside of like a lot of

things but you ever figure out like what his childhood was like or what happened to him well he grew up in west texas on a on farm, on a horse farm with two brothers that were always kicking him and beating him up. So I guess that spilled into my lovely introduction to the world. Yikes. So those words that he said, I wrote them down because they were like so crazy. He said, you'll never amount to anything played in your head when you were getting cast for Pretty Woman. Yes. It's so crazy to me how stuff from your past and your history when you were little comes through into your adulthood.

It's so crazy. It's amazing. It's amazing. I see it now with my two children. You know, I wasn't the sanest mother raising them. I was like lots of lively. My livelihood was modeling still, putting them through their classes and their childhood and their braces and their vacations and everything that has to do with being a single mom. I think I might have pushed my daughter too hard going to do theatrical, these theatrical

little plays that they had back in the grade school. I think I might have pushed her too hard. She resents me for it. It's really hard once you become a parent because you have empathy for your parents. And you're like, oh my God. And you constantly feel guilty no matter what. And the problem with it is that there's no black and white to it. There's so much gray.

Do you have kids? I have kids. We have a four-year-old and an almost two-year-old. You feel guilty if you leave. You feel guilty if you're there and you're not present. That's the mom syndrome. Come with it if you're there and you're not present. You feel, I mean, it's, it does. That's the mom syndrome. Come with it.

Yeah, I asked him the other day, I go, do you feel guilty? No. No, men don't. I do. I don't know. But I, she gets mad if I don't. But I think it's like, it's the dynamic you're raised with. You see, you know, for, we, it's very recent that we've kind of broken out of this traditional household, right?

And I know my upbringing, I would see, my mom worked all the time. So it was a little different for me. And so I'm attracted to very strong women and women that does, it was just, that's my norm. But I know a lot of guys that are in more traditional households and that's a little bit of a mind fuck for them to kind of wrap their head around, you know, maybe being with someone who's got a career and something different. But anyways, I never, you know, people ask her, do you have a nanny? They never asked me if I have a nanny. We work at the same time. I don't feel guilty for having a nanny. I just, it's just like a norm. You need it.

Yeah, I need it. But sometimes I see, sometimes she will feel guilty. Oh, honey, let that go. You know, I say, let, let go all these guilts that, that, that swarm your brain at night. When you're at work and you're not with your kids, when you're at home with your kids, you're thinking about your work. It's a conundrum. It's a conundrum of a bubble that if you just make you tap your feet, it can manifest in ways that can give you severe depression

yeah if you don't watch yourself how you how do you let stuff go you just you go see a good therapist yeah you see you see a good get a good therapist i'm married to shrink oh that's efficient oh yeah but he never shrinks me tell him to to shrink you. Shrink me! Yeah, I would tell him to shrink me. Shrink me, motherfucker. I bet he's a great shrink. He was. He's retired. He was like shrink, the shrink to the stars.

Maybe I should interview him. You should. I bet he's interesting. I would love to have your husband on. One thing I do not screw around with is toxic cookware. All of my kitchenware is non-toxic, and I take this very seriously because I'm using it all the time. That's right. I have been cooking in the kitchen. Don't let Michael fool you. I've been using all kinds of things, okay? And I've been cooking eggs every single morning for my kids. And I use Caraway's ceramic coated cookware.

And I got the silver accents. There's different accents. But the best part is when you cook things on it, it's really sleek. So nothing gets like stuck to the pan where you're like scrubbing it off and you have to get dish gloves on and like do a sponge. It's like that's a whole to do. I don't want to do that. This has like a naturally sleek surface, which means minimal oil or butter. And it gives you that slide off the pan effect. You guys know what I mean. Everyone wants that. Caraway products are made without any toxic materials like PFAS, PTFE or PFAO or any of those other hard to pronounce chemicals. If you're looking for something for Valentine's Day, I don't know what's cuter. Send your husband, boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, a DM on Instagram and give them a little hint hint. Visit carawayhome.com slash him and her

to take advantage of this limited-time offer for 10% off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit carawayhome.com slash himandher or use code himandher at checkout. And that's the word and not the sign. Caraway, non-toxic cookware made modern. Shea Mitchell from Base truly created the best cosmetic bag on the planet. It is designed with girls in mind. Every single little nook and cranny of that cosmetic bag is amazing. I actually use mine for my skincare. I travel all the time. And to be able to go on base and just get everything I need is absolutely incredible. And I'm obsessed with that cosmetic case. I put all my skincare in it. It fits the

ice roller. It is function. It is fashion. It keeps you calm. You're carefree. You're looking cute. And you are traveling seamlessly. And traveling seamlessly is so chic. I love when everything just comes together with my luggage. They also have a new work tote. It is on their site. I'm sure you've seen it all over TikTok. It's so popular. It's really cool because it can turn into a carry-on and into a check-in bag with ease. Everything Shea has designed with base truly makes traveling easier. And this was a big, big problem because sometimes us girls like to overpack. I recommend going on and definitely grabbing that cosmetic bag for your makeup, for your skincare. Definitely check out their work tote. It's really cute. They have the best colors. I like black when it comes to stuff like this, but they have all different kinds of colors

for you. And right now, Base is offering our listeners 15% off your first purchase by visiting basetravel.com slash skinny. Go to basetravel.com slash skinny for 15% off your first purchase. That's B-E-I-S travel.com slash skinny. Go to basetravel.com slash skinny for 15% off your first purchase. That's B-E-I-S travel.com slash skinny. This one is for all of the people that are hesitant about getting those nasty chemical products, cleaning supplies out of your house that are hesitant to switch from all of the stuff that you probably grew up with, that you saw your parents using to make your house a cleaner, better environment. The reason I can speak to this is I was one of those nostalgic people that looked at these labels that I had known my entire childhood that the parents had in the house that we got on the

grocery shelves and was like, why would we ever switch to another cleaning product? But here's what we did. We switched to Branch Basics. My wife loves the brand and I was like, okay, I'll try it. Then we had the founder of Branch Basics on this show talking all about the harmful ingredients that go into most cleaning supplies, especially greenwash cleaning supplies, and the difference between a clean cleaning product like Branch Basics. We're constantly searching for what we put in our body, what we eat, but we're not thinking about the environment we live in. It wasn't until Lauren replaced a lot of these chemicals that we grew up with that I started noticing a huge difference and huge improvement in my overall health. Their premium starter kit replaces all of your harmful cleaning products in the home. Branch Basics now has a luxurious

hand gel soap that we use in our house made with only safest ingredients to nourish your skin. And Branch Basics also saves you money because you can use their cleaning supplies for so many different things. You don't need to buy 18 different supplies with all these different chemicals. You could just use their few select products. Save 15% on your starter kit or their new hand soap when you use code SKINNY at www.branchbasics.com. Again, that is code SKINNY for 15% off when you purchase a starter kit or their new gel hand soap. Branchbasics.com, promo code skinny. You talk about Bill Cosby in your book and you've been outspoken about Bill Cosby, which I think is incredible for all the women that went through him. You've been, to me,

you've been like a crusader. What is your temperature on what's going on with him right now? Well, I'm furious that he didn't get what was really due him. He got off early due to a technicality. And, like, that technicality is a big bank account. So he's out of prison? Yeah. I had a separate civil lawsuit with him, which I made out handsomely. For you to speak out on that against that powerful of a man is really incredible. And it probably freed up other people to come forward. But he didn't scare me. He didn't scare me. I mean,

he was in the courtroom. And I just remember going, ha, ha, ha ha who's laughing now ha ha i've got the final laugh because i can say it ha ha ha and he was like he was all flustered because he was pretending to be blind in the courtroom what i didn't know that and how old were you when all this happened with him oh when it first happened I was in my 20s. And did you think you were just going to hang out with him? Yeah. So I thought he was going to offer me a role on his television show.

So he was basically doing the same thing Harvey Weinstein was doing. Yes. And he was slipping people stuff in their drink. Absolutely. 100%. And you know what's interesting about him is all the stories that all the women tell are the same stories it's probably the same routine yeah he

did the same routine and it must have been like rehypnol or ghb or something he was putting in these people's drink this is a blue pill remember you remember so when you left his house were you like did you understand at that age what happened or did did you, did it take you a while to process? I was so happy to be, to be out and being recognized for something other than being Rules for a Supermodel. I was happy to see, see that I had, see that I did have a comedic side to me. And that I, I could possibly break into the world of comedy. But I could, I think anything's possible.

I could probably still do it. Is one of the hard things about modeling is sometimes people only look at the visual aspect and they don't look at the person beneath? Is that one of the difficulties? I'd imagine. Yeah, it can kill a lot of people. The visual aspects, you know, once your face goes

and the skin isn't as as perfect as hers you know and it's like the skin goes and it's like you know be grateful for what you have i mean i look back at pictures of myself and i now when i was your age and i go wow god go, wow, God. And I thought then, even then, back then, that I wasn't enough. I mean, more so like that and when you're in your prime and modeling, it's like people are just looking at you as a model and they're not listening to maybe what you think or what you have to say. Is that- I think people did listen to me. I made them- Yeah, it's kind of different. It's different with you. I made them listen because I was doing talk shows. People would call me all the time for advice. And I don't even know if what you're looking at is real.

So I think people, like now I heard just the other day, like 30-year-olds are getting facelifts, like lower facelifts and necklifts. I mean, I hear this all the time. It's just everything is like sped up even gnarlier. Wow. Yeah. Isn't it just going to fall and fall and fall

and you have to keep doing it? I thought it's one and done. It's not one and done. No. Okay. Gravity is not your friend, my dear. You have to work your body every day. You have to go on hikes.

You have to balance it out with great food. You can't overeat. You can't overdrink. What was your epiphany to get sober? Oh, I was letting myself down on a daily basis when I was drinking because I couldn't say no to that like first glass of champagne and I couldn't say no to the last one. Vicious circle. When you decided to do celebrity rehab, were you sober, getting sober? Did you relapse after it? What did the trajectory of that look like? When I did celebrity rehab, I was addicted to Ambien pills.

Oh, wow. Sleeping pills. See, I had to have an Ambien pill at night to sleep, and I knew that that was wrong because your whole sleep cycle is messed up if you don't have a sleeping pill right before you go to bed and 20 minutes later. And on top of it, you wake up in the morning and you're still hungover from the night before. Can't you wake up also in the middle of the night and sleepwalk? Does that happen on that? Sometimes. Yeah. When you went into celebrity rehab, it was Ambien, not alcohol.

So was alcohol before that? Alcohol was way before that. But I had gotten a handle on that. I didn't realize it was Ambien I think that that's not talked about enough Ambien addiction oh it's killer it makes you just it could turn you into a monster and I imagine the way you feel in the morning like you said hungover is groggy you're fatigued it's like a trazodone funk yeah it's you could just be just be like so out of it like I can't no matter how many cups of coffee you can't wake up from it and it's like a trazodone funk. Yeah. You could just be so out of it. No matter how many cups of coffee, you can't wake up from it.

And it's like driving on the 405 to school. Light's not out yet. Not quite daylight yet. And I was looking at the lights and they're hurting my eyes. People need to talk about that more. I think that that's a big addiction that's not talked about. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about it. Bring it up.

Lots. I will. Well, I think there was a period of time when it started getting talked about briefly because there was a, something happened with a celebrity where they got up and like, either went and did a bunch of racial slurs

or like went on a rant. Well, maybe they blamed Ambien. They might have blamed Ambien. Ambien Hayes. Yeah. That's what I called it. They like went into a rage on it. What was your experience like on Celebrity Rehab?

Did you like it? I was afraid. I was afraid that this might not have been the best choice for me of doing TV shows because it was very raw. Yeah. You know, Dr. Drew, who's a nice guy. He's been on here, yeah. He's a nice man and he knows what he's talking about. Bob Forrest is a saint. You know Bob? Yeah. He's a nice guy. He's been on here, yeah. He's a nice man, and he knows what he's talking about.

Bob Forrest is a saint. You know Bob? Yeah. He's a good dude. He's a good dude. Yeah. They both stroke each other's ego in ways. Bob!

True! Oh, Roseanne Barr. Yeah, Roseanne, yeah, that's what happened. She blamed a series of racist tweets on Ambien, which maybe is true, maybe is not. When you reflect now back on Celebrity Rehab, are you glad you did it or no? I'm grateful that I was given the opportunity to just survive one more day. I think the reason that that show was so crazy, because to your point, it was so raw.

People were really struggling on that show. I don't know if a show like that can exist anymore because you had. No. I mean, with all the things we're talking about. I mean, like you really saw people going through it. I mean, can you imagine taking me off everything and just giving me Trazodone to sleep with? Ludicrous. It is.

It's like, here, let me replace this with this. I need cocktails of meds. I'm on a good cocktail of meds and you feel good you look amazing thanks some days some days what's happening later lately is i can't sleep although i take sleep medication i can't sleep i'm opening my eyes at like what two two or three in the morning and i can't go back to sleep. Crazy. That happens to me if I drink alcohol. I wake up in the middle of the night.

I feel like, you know what, the best thing for sleep, this is really weird, that's helped me so much is Yoga Nitra. I'm going to send you the link. Like NSDR deep sleep. Yeah, and I put it on and I am asleep in 10 minutes and I stay asleep. It's like a it does something to your brain. Yeah. I'm going to send you guys the link. I doubt anything could do anything to my brain at this point.

What about the shrink husband? He can't do anything to my brain. He can't do anything. What are your best? Yes, he can. Wait, quickly, before we get off this, for some reason I remember you in a jungle or something. Oh, yeah. Yes.

I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Yes, I just recently did that last September in Johannesburg. You did it again? Yeah. What was that like? Well, I had to leave the show early because in the middle of the night,

I fell down flat on my face, like really horrible to look at. You did it twice, right right I did it three times you did it three times did you have to eat bugs this time I ate a couple oh it was the first time I was like fuck you oh is that the worst part the eating of the bugs besides falling cow vaginas oh come on oh yeah they gave you cow vagina? Yeah. They gave us radical stuff to eat like gonads

of goats and like... What's the grossest? The gonads. With the hair still on them. Oh, Jesus. Eat hairy balls. Eat hairy balls? Yeah. How do you think I feel?

Well... You want to eat hairy balls? how do you think i feel well you want to eat hairy balls i sure don't yeah you two are darling that's something i've managed to avoid in my my years i think i'll stick to that path i mean i might send you on that show you go eat hairy balls i'm not gonna lie i wouldn't do good on that show. You two are so cute. So cute. Thank you. Thank you. It's a lot of work.

Tell us which day you get us on. Yeah. So it's like that with every couple. Yeah. Beauty tips. You're the one to ask. What are the beauty tips that you have been using that you know from your supermodel days that are the best of the best, the creme de la creme?

You can't go wrong. Water. Water? You just can't get enough of water i can't get enough of water and i live for dr lancer's uh vitamin c treatment oh i gotta try that oh it's it's like putting baby powder on your face is it a treatment you do at home or you go in no it's treatment you do at home okay you wash your face with this with the products. I mean, I swear by this guy. Is that your go-to like for derm? I need to go to him.

Everyone loves him. He's the best. He's a snot nose, but he's a good snot nose. He's a good snot nose. He's really smart. Yeah, he is smart. He's sharp.

He's been on the show. He's been on the show. We should go in and see him though. Yeah. He won't give you any discounts. Because he's been on the show he's been on the show we should go in and see him though yeah he won't give you any discounts this is because he's so good this is the kind of guys doesn't need but you know what i like that's like despise the free lunch is one of a friend of ours author robert green he wrote this book in the book he says despise the free lunch so there's nothing even there's nothing for free you always got there's some price to pay even if they give

you a discount you know i'd rather just know what I'm getting in for. May I ask you the same question? Because you're so beautiful. Your skin is just like moist as it gets. The trick to my skin is I am militant about my skincare routine. Militant. I do not go in the sun. I wash, I wash my face, double cleanse every night. I, I put colostrum serum i'll send you the show the show

the book that you wrote over there i wrote a book on the table but look at the title i have one for look at the title get the fuck out of the sun i will read this thank you but the trick i'm going to send you my exact routine but it's it's basically a lot of vitamin C. Colostrum serum. Korean skincare toner. A double cleanse. And then I get IPL laser. Or any. Just do a lot of lymphatic stuff. Lymphatic drainage.

Another thing I do every single day is facial massage. I think that's the key. You do it to yourself. Uh-huh. I lift my eyebrows manually. I lift my cheeks. I lift my jaw. I drain my face. I brought you

an ice roller. Oh. Yeah. I'll give it to Suzanne. A lot of ice. A lot of ice on my face. Don't models used to back in the day stick your face? Oh, I did. Into bathtubs. Yeah. Ice is amazing in the morning. Ice is amazing. Yeah. And then I just got a salmon semen facial, which I really think worked. From who? I live in Austin. So it's a girl in Austin. Her name's Jamie. She's a Korean facialist. But you could get it anywhere. It's exosomes. Yeah, I used it. I told her I would have given her one for free.

Didn't have to go pay for it. Thanks. Zing. So cute. So cute. So cute. So cute. Blob. it thanks so cute so cute so cute you've heard worse janice you've heard worse i use what leonardo dicaprio uses from dr lancer he has a sheep urine

sheep urine sheep urine that's the first i've heard i knew you would have a tip like that that's what i want to hear what's the sheep urine it's sheep urine? Sheep urine. That's a first I've heard on this one. I knew you would have a tip like that. That's what I want to hear. What's the sheep urine? It's sheep urine. Perfect. In a tube. And you put it on your face. And what does it do? Smooths it out? Something to do with the biogenetic makeup of your skin.

I imagine sometimes the listeners of the show writing stuff, practical things down. Like, okay, okay, sheep urine. Okay, lost me at sheep urine. I don't care if i lose you i'm still kicking yeah and honestly if sheep urine works i will eat shit for beauty i will you know what if it works it works michael whatever it has to work before you married your husband you wrote check please what is your opinion on dating in 2024 we have a lot of friends that are struggling because of the swipe swipe swipe my daughter is 29 and i see her going through dumb changes. I just think it's pathetic that people go on these websites to try to get dick.

It's lazy. Yeah. It's like so lame. I'm not saying she's lame. She's not lame at all, my daughter. It's lazy for the guy. He's lazy for everybody. No, but the guy is like, I feel like the guy banks him.

You know what I mean? He just swipes on everything. if you give anybody... I saw this machine that just swipes your phone. The guy just swipes on their phone with this machine.

Yeah, but the problem is if you give any human being endless optionality in anything, then it just stops you from being able to focus on anything.

Probably give a kid eight toys and see what happens. Give him one toy and see what happens. Don't play with one. Yeah, give him eight.

They don't, you know, They don't know what to do. But no, I think I personally miss the whole dating app thing because Lauren and I got together young, like right before a lot of that stuff came out. And so what I used to have to do is actually go and walk up to people and start a conversation. And at the most, maybe you can talk to two or three people. I always talk about this. And so like, you really had to, you know, stick with it. If somebody showed any kind of interest, I'm like, that's the one, you know, I got to stick with it. But I see now. Did you know she was the one? Her? Yeah. When we were 12 years old.

That's true. I met him at 12, but I have not been together with him that long. I think like there's a misconception that we've been together that long. We met at 12. We got together at 21. 20, yeah. 20, okay, sorry. No, but anyways, but I see men and women in our lives that are in those worlds and they really are, a lot of them struggle to find meaningful relationships. They date a lot. There's no lack of dating frequency, but there's not a lot of long-term meaningful relationship. And I think it's just because it's easy to throw something away if you know there's 18 swipes waiting for you.

I mean, due to the advent of the computer and the cell phone, I mean, our days of yesteryear, we were broncos. We just galloped, you know, let's go to this place now. Get the horses out. We were just renegades that just went through it all. More fun. More fun. I wanted to ask you, you are a real outlier when it comes to talking about plastic surgery. On your book, Everything About Me is Fake and Imperfect. Obsessed with the title. It's so good. But you have exactly what you have done on this book.

Why do you think you were able to come out and be so honest where every celebrity on the planet just lies and says they're natural? What's the difference? I'm not afraid. You just want to own it i do own it by the way i own it too i own i'm like this is what i've done just look what you're doing with yourself pop pop pop pop but then why do why do celebrities want to pretend like they're just naturally like that i hate to say this i'm going to bring it up. Nicole Kidman, what's going on there? She's ultra skinny. She's

just, she's, she's taken her dietary habits way too far to the left or to the right, wherever. She's just way too skinny. And when you're skinny, when you're skinny, it's a bad skinny fat. The fat on your face will go, get withdrawn. You look older. Yeah. Yeah. I think the world of her acting, I think the world of her as a woman and what she's survived. Do you wish people were more outspoken about plastic surgery? I don't give a rat's ass about plastic surgery.

I don't. There's just so many people that just act like it's nothing like it's just natural you mean kardashian the mother of kardashian tons of them blood facials and stuff yeah everyone just acts like it's like a laser and it's like not i think it's cool that you came out what because you wrote this book this book book was written like, I want to say what, 10 years ago? Yeah, 10 years ago. And you came out and said that you did all these things. You were really definitely an outlier.

My publisher hated me. Look at the cover. It's horrible. Oh, I love it. I love the cover. And if you guys haven't read her books, you are missing out. They are honest. I mean.

They're wild. I get so much sleep because of this company. Dreamland Baby is a sponsor of the Him and Her show. I could not be more excited because it's absolutely changed my life. So what it is, is this gently weighted sleep sack. And my son associates the sleep sack with sleep. So the founder basically was so exhausted and desperate for sleep as we know that happens with children, especially under the age of two. And one night she placed like a throw blanket on her son and noticed that he calmed down, which makes sense because I use a weighted blanket all the time and it immediately calms me down and relaxes my nervous system. So she had like this aha moment

and she knew that he needed to wear a wearable weighted sleep solution. So she designed this really gently weighted sleep sack. It's aesthetically pleasing. It's crushing it. People are loving it. It was like on Shark Tank, Forbes, Target, Nordstrom's, all the things. And she has helped over 500,000 families get more sleep, including me. I'm one of those families. And this is the gift that I give everyone. I tell every single person that will listen to me to get this gently weighted sleep sack. Of course, we have a code for you. I've used my own code many times. Go to dreamlandbabyco.com and enter our code skinny at checkout. You receive 20%

off site-wide plus free shipping. This offer is for new and existing customers. That's dreamlandbabyco.com. Enter our code skinny at checkout. You get 20% off site-wide plus free shipping. One thing that has upgraded my scalp massage is a good hair serum. The one that I use is by Vegamore. I have used this for the last year. It's cruelty-free and never formulated with harmful chemicals. I like to use it and really get in there and massage it into my head. Sometimes I'll use a scalp massager. Sometimes I'll use my fingers. I just feel like I've really taken my hair seriously since going brunette. And I think the scalp massage mixed with a good

hair serum, a little micro needling on the hairline supplementation, and a great shampoo has been life-changing. These are things that I have at stack. I do them quick. The scalp massage I do probably takes 45 seconds to a minute. It's quick. The exact serum that I like is the grow hair serum. And it comes in this little pink bottle. You can get like a monthly subscription, which is what I do. So I just get like one bottle and it gets sent to me. It's so easy. You save more and you never run low on the products.

It comes in like a little serum bottle too, so I can travel with it. You should know that Vegamour sells one bottle of Grow Hair Serum every 15 seconds on their website, so it really works. Elevate your hair wellness routine this year with Vegamore. For a limited time, get 20% off your first subscription order by going to vegamore.com slash skinny and using code skinny at checkout. That's V-E-G-A-M-O-U-R.com slash skinny code skinny. I really do my research when it comes to the supplements that I'm taking. I think I get a really cool access to behind the scenes and like learning about ingredients and just being

skeptical of supplements. And one supplement that I've never had to be skeptical of is Ritual. Ritual, I'm telling you, they just get it. They also really focus on the nine key nutrients, and they're gentle on an empty stomach. They've thought of everything. Even the pill tastes good. It's like minty. I can't even explain it. It's like something you look forward to taking. It's a minty essence I can't even explain it. It's like something you look forward to taking. It's a minty essence in every bottle. The one that I take every single day is Rituals Essential for Women 18+. I also took Rituals prenatals. I took their postnatals when I was pregnant. I highly recommend them. They're a brand that you can really trust. Rituals

Essential for Women is USP verified. I like it so much, I invited the founder on the podcast to tell us all about how she has conceptualized this dream product. Ritual multivitamins are vegan, non-GMO, project verified, gluten, and major allergen free. They're also certified B Corp, and everything, most importantly, is made traceable. No more shady business. Rituals Essential for Women 18 Plus is a multivitamin you can actually trust. Get 20% off your first month for a limited time at ritual.com slash skinny. Start Ritual or add Essential for Women 18 Plus to your subscription today. That's ritual.com slash skinny for 20% off. Before you met your husband, how did you meet meet him what is your life like now what is

janice dickinson's life like right now oh god there's so much going on in my life girl you're busy my i met my husband on a blind date at the chateau marmont okay i met his son previously that's how I got to meet him at the Abbey. So I was about to throw down some serious joy juice and pounds of cocaine, whatever it was I was about to do. A gram, give me a pound. There was an instant attraction between my husband and I when I met him. You know, he was just, he was so shy

and I was so wanting to be liked that I didn't think he would like me because there it goes again. Not good enough, not good enough for your average bear. That stuck with me even up until when I was meeting him and he just told me no. Even after all of your accomplishments and everything you did that stuck with you that long. Wow. It's crazy how much damage something can do at such a young age.

Damaging. Yeah. Damaging to a child. What you say to a child, how you say it, the tone of your voice can be brutal on a young child. You know, if you're like,

you scream, I can't take it anymore. I can't get the fuck out of here. You gotta be really careful how you address young child. You know, if you're like, you scream, I can't take it anymore! Get the fuck out of here! You gotta be really careful how you address a child. So when you met on the blind date, did you like him right away? I loved him.

He wore a three-piece linen suit in like the hottest day of the year. He was just, he had a hat, he had an overcoat where are you going you look like humphrey bogart you know and in one of humphrey's films and i was like dressed up like the biggest slut on the planet i had this slut dress down to here. So all the, everything was drawn towards here with the tape, with the tape, with the extensions.

This is all real hair. Wow. But the extensions were like. You have really good hair. Yeah. What is that hair? Biotin. Wow.

You too can have it. I just saw him and we just saw each other and the room shrank. We just started talking and everyone else seemed like they didn't have any meaning to be in our direct pathways of speaking. It was like the strangest thing ever. Were men intimidated by you before you went on a date with him? Of course. So he wasn't intimidated, it sounds like. He didn't know who I was.

No, he didn't. He got a rundown, but he really was a very busy man. Right. Like clients depended on him for their lives. He took care of the mechanics of the brain for people. Gosh, I want to interview him. He sounds smart. He's so brilliant.

Outside of, obviously, your beauty and your looks, why do you think so many men were intimidated by you? Is it because you were also so outspoken? Or do you think it was just the modeling? Or what do you... Just confidence. Confidence wears on a man if they're not confident themselves. Yeah.

We see that a lot. They'll marry a really confident, dominant woman thinking that they like it. And then after a while, like you said, yeah, it starts to make the penis limp. It does. Yeah. I don't know why that is. See, I never yesed, I never turned around and swallowed my pride or yesed anyone just to hear my own brain rattle no i can't do that either i think i think that it takes a very specific kind of man to handle a woman who

is on her own trajectory and beats to the tune of her own drum i think it's a very specific kind of man and i think it has a lot to do with the kind of mother they had because if they were babied and they're still attached to the umbilical cord then i tell lauren validation we we have so my mom's half japanese you wouldn't know anything looking at me because i don't know look any i'm a quarter but my mom's half and she's a ball buster and she's tough she used to play polo with men like she was the only woman on the field against men that's fantastic it's It's cool. And so anyways, what I got from it is, I always knew that my mother loved me and I always felt supported, but I wasn't babied. And it was like, okay, good. Like if I did something, she's like, good job.

But what I tell Lauren all the time is some of my guy friends whose mothers have babied them endlessly, even well into their thirties. It's like, you know, you see those guys that have that relationship, not knocking it, but in my opinion, those guys that have that relation not knocking it but in my opinion those are the guys that struggle the most when it comes to dating outspoken women because i don't think they're used to that kind of dynamic they're used to they can do no wrong dynamic where i step out of line for one second and then but it's my baby my one-year-old son he goes don't baby him i'm like he's a baby So don't baby him

Let him fall down toughen him up a bit Because I'm telling you I think It's important especially in the world Don't soften him up too much Anyways I think it's good I see a lot of That must have been really interesting With Japanese culture

Well I was trying I think again people don't look at me And think that that culture would That must have been really interesting with Japanese culture. Well, I was trying to, I always, I mean, because I think, again, people don't look at me and think that that culture would, but my grandma who just passed, God rest her soul, she was a full Japanese woman. Like, you know, moved from Japan here. He doesn't leave towels on the floor. She was very, like, Japanese culture is like, I always tell Lauren, there was no, in my household, like, good effort.

It was like, was it right or was it not right? Did you do it or did you not do it? Sometimes people are like, oh, how do you deal with that?

You know, do you need those words out? And actually looking back, I appreciate that, right? It was like, it was kind of like, you know,

there's a right and wrong way to do things. It was, you get held to a higher standard. You're a pretty smart guy. Aw, that's nice. I appreciate that compliment. You sound really,

on a deeper level, you sound really smart. Well, thank you, Janice. He's going to take that and frame it. Put it on audio and repeat his yoga nidra at night. I look back on some things that were maybe

uncomfortable from my childhood, but I appreciate them now because I think it gives you tools to deal with adult life. Does that make sense? Yes. But what he's saying is that it take, I think it would be hard for you to find

a man that can be comfortable with being married to you oh i waited yeah 50 fucking years i think it would be impossible for you to find it'd be hard to find a man i waited yeah i mean and you know what it sounds like your husband's quietly confident totally yeah it's the best that's the best and probably the mind games and stuff won't work what's quite marvelous is that we can go for hours and not say a word to each other. Yep.

Which is just bliss. Ugh. From your average day, you want to turn things off and just... I could use a remote. Speaking of strong women, I have a business partner, Hi Raina, and she always used to give me this acronym and it was WAIT. It was, why am I talking? And that's what she would always say. And I think about that all the time.

You should think about it in marriage. Well, sometimes, yeah. I'm going to give you that acronym. Sometimes silence is the best. You break his balls. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. He loves it.

They've been broken and smashed and thrown to the curb. I eat them like, I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. She would have to take a gorgeous woman to break your balls. Well, I don't want to be mean, but I'm not trying to do that with an ugly woman. So what is your life like now? I'm working on music. Tell us all about it.

I've just completed an EP that was released New Year's Day that is the number one dance album on iTunes. And I'm 68, and it's like I just get up, and I've done all these these songs and I've got another one coming out and I perform for the gays and they love it. I get all glammed out like super glammed, you know, and singing and having an audience. That is pretty crazy that you are 68 years old and you have a number one dance song. Thank you.

I mean, that's inspiring. I mean, they just told me today. So did you go into this wanting to do something that was number one or did you just want to just make fun? No, I just wanted to have fun. Girls just want to have fun. Girls just want to have fun. I think that what's so inspiring

to me about you is that you've sort of written every single chapter of your life on your own terms and you've done it your own way. I think it's cool. But I do need another book. I'm going to get on that. But you know what? I would self-publish. We've had a lot of people come on

the show recently. A lot of prolific authors that have gone the route like steven pressfield for example he um he's a great author he just self-publishes all his books david goggins self-published his book and did like it's been he's made multiple millions of dollars from self-publishing you should self-publish i mean i think you should do like a like a what I've learned throughout all the chapters of your life. For someone who's my age that wants to keep reinventing themselves as a woman, talk about all the chapters.

With juice, too. We need the juice. You need the heat. We need the heat. You need to bring the heat. We need to hear about the meat and potatoes on Mick Jagger. We need the heat. Oh, that is so devastating. You guys will have to watch the YouTube to see on Mick Jagger. We need the heat. Oh, that is so devastating.

You guys will have to watch the YouTube to see what she just did. Oh, no. Well, listen, you can't have it all. Well, he has a big mouth and a big personality and a big voice. Can you imagine dating this guy? I mean, just like, you know,

going to his concerts and just like sitting there waiting. No, we can't imagine. That's why we want every speck of detail. This heartbeat of like a bass drum in your heart keeps beating like a big bass drum. Unbelievable. What is the most surreal experience you've had in your life? That.

That one. Going on the road with Rolling Stones. Yeah, there's probably nothing bigger than that, huh? No. How many girls are throwing themselves at the Rolling Stones? Probably millions. So when you're with him, what kind of jealousy was that? Oh, I just looked the other

way. You just looked the other way. You can't even. I mean, what are you supposed to do? Let it get in your ether. And you kind of have to let, it's almost like you have to let him do what he wants to do too, right?

Sort of. But I imagine that's also where some of these guys get intimidated. But I'm not ugly to look at. No, you're not ugly to look at. And you're,

I mean, also like, I feel like you're the whole package. You're fun, you're smart, you can write, you can sing.

I mean, what more does he want? I think I'm the full package too, by the way, just so you know that. I know you do know that you're the bride you need a reminder at every wedding and corpse at every funeral that's her all right that's funny we just took our kids to paw patrol live you know paw patrol the little i don't know if you know no she doesn't know what paw patrol is it's for two-year-olds and they go at the end of the show and they're like let's see who the stars the real stars of the show and they start panning let's see who the stars, the real stars of the show. And they start

panning over to all the kids. And I look on the screen and my wife's up there like, no, it's not for you. It's for the three-year-olds. It's for the four-year-olds. That's adorbs. Janice Dickinson, I have, like I said, wanted you on the show for seven years. Thank you so much. Please

come back on the show when you write your next book. I will. Or when you write your next book i will or when you have your next ep your next music go live and be number one you're welcome anytime thank you very much there's a hundred things i could have asked you i'd love to have your husband on where can everyone find download your song where can they find your books itunes okay and you guys this is on my blog skinny Skinny Confidential, 10 years ago, but you can Google

the Skinny Confidential No Lifeguard on Duty. It's on my book, my book club list. Everything About Me is Fake and Imperfect and check, please. Thank you.

Like you could get one person to follow me, that would be good. Go follow her. I think we'll get more than one. At Janice Dickinson on Instagram.

You're funny too on TikTok. Thank you. Would you like those TikToks where I'm judging people's walks? Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Don't judge my walk. I don't know about how I walk. You're a loud walker, Lauren.

Yeah, I don't know that I have the model walk. You're never going to sneak up on anyone, that's for sure. Maybe do a book on how to walk. A catwalk. Janice Dickinson, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you very much, you guys. I appreciate it, Michael. Thank you. Janice, you're a legend. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Wait, don't go. Have you subscribed to our newsletter? We have a new him and her weekly newsletter. You get all of our tips, our tricks, our hacks, our favorite products straight to your inbox weekly. Michael has his section, I have mine, and tricks, our hacks, our favorite products straight to your inbox weekly. Michael has his section. I have mine. And then also our monthly favorites come straight to your inbox. All you have to do to subscribe is go to tscpodcast.com.