The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Jeff Byers On Optimal Routines, Health Practices, Supplements, Hormone Regulation, & Natural Ways To Stay Healthy

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha! We need to give some back to, and we have this platform to go on. We want to be the anti-supplement

supplement company. Like why can't we do advocacy work and be thought leaders in the space? That's our goal, right? Like if we just want to sling some subs out of the back of our car, like we're doing a shitty job, right? Because we make high quality things that have high costs. We're premium and it's kind of complicated, right? If we wanted to make a lot of money, we would just sling low quality things, do really good branding and marketing, which that's not who we are. You don't get change if you don't try. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today, we're sitting down with my friend, Jeff Byers, who is the co-founder and CEO of Momentus. They're absolutely changing the performance game when it comes to health and wellness and supplementation. They have products that world-class performers use on a daily basis

to enhance their lives. And this episode covers so much when it comes to health and wellness. We talk about what kind of research you should be doing on your supplements before you take them and why it's so important to do the research beforehand. We talk about women and creatine. This has become a huge subject. We talk about women and weightlifting. We talk about libido and men's libido, hormone regulation, talking about testosterone, testosterone replacement therapy, and is there a better solution? We dive right into that here. And everything you need to know about being a high performer. Jeff and the team at Momentous have some of the most stringent certifications when it comes to their products. And they've actually won government grants to fund some of the most stringent certifications when it comes to their products. And they've actually won government grants to fund some of the company's initiatives. This episode is for anyone

who wants to drive better performance, learn more about supplementation, and figure out what's going to work best for their body. With that, Jeff, welcome to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Welcome to the show. This has been a long time coming. We've been talking for a while now. I have been a big fan of your products, of your company. I'm sure many others have been as well. Lauren doesn't realize this. Every time I give you that sleep cocktail when we're traveling and we can't sleep, it's actually Jeff's. I do know that. I know that. You give me some sleep cocktail, which I'm like, what is in this? Because I go to sleep. I don't wake up the whole night,

which is amazing. I don't even wake up to go to the bathroom. And then I wake up so fully rested. I'm obsessed with it. I don't know what it is. I thought it was a tranquilizer. Well, you should do it. Not only when you're traveling. Yeah. We do it all the time, but, but when we're, you know, like when you're traveling, what I love about it so much is like you get all discombobulated in hotels and you get all messed up, especially in different time zones. I'm talking about jet lag. Yeah. Jet lag. And I just feel like it, boom, it gets in there. You need to prioritize in those moments.

Yeah, for sure. Okay. We're going to, I'm sure this episode is going to go all over the place as we typically do. But I think to start, would love to get for the audience some context on you and how you even got interested in supplementation, wellness, health in the first place. Yeah. So I go way back. So I was a Gatorade player of the year in high school as a football player, played offensive line. And I was one of

the top recruited players going into college. My claim to fame, my fall and fall from the tree was I was up for Nesby. A guy named Dwight Howard won it. He's kind of a big deal compared to me, but I went to USC, Southern Cal. And being in Austin, I have some love-hate with Longhorns because they beat us in the Rose Bowl in the national championship game when I was there. I went to SC, really highly touted recruit. I actually got hurt my freshman year. I started as a true freshman

on that national championship team, and I blew my hip out. And I was basically told that I'm gonna play football again. And as an athlete and a young kid, like many of us, we dreamt of being a pro at something, absolutely elite, whether it's an athlete, a musician, an actor. And that got ripped away from me pretty fast. And it became this, does football define me? Does sport define me? How do I want to define myself? And I feel very lucky. I had a really great stable of people around me. And it was like, nobody feels bad for you. Figure out what you're going to do with your life. And I called the dean of business school after my dad told me that in some more choice

words. And I said, hey, I don't know if I'm ever going to play again. I'm here. I got five years of school paid for. And at that time, I had like four and a half years left. And he said, hey, I can't guarantee you I get you in grad school, but if you bust your ass, I can guarantee your application gets looked at. So I ended up getting on track to graduate undergrad in three years, but I missed my whole second year

because I had two hip surgeries. And then I was coming back and I blew my back out and missed my whole third year with two back surgeries. So I missed my second and third season. And really what happened there and how I really got into wellness, like I was a genetic mutant, right? I'm a freak. To be that good, like you just have to be in a unique space. Well, you know, because I used to play Pop Warner football and then I started playing football. And what happened was I got to high school and I started playing and I was up against guys like you that, to your point, you were a genetic freaks. And I was playing football. And what happened was I got to high school and I started playing and I was up against guys like you that, to your point, you were genetic freaks.

And I was like five foot five in high school, you know, maybe 125 pounds wet. And I was like, oh, fuck this. Like, I'm out. At some point, you got to look and be like, okay, God didn't give me this talent. Why were you a genetic mutant? What do you mean by that? You were just like, you could feel that you were like unique because of your stature yeah to get to like to be that good right to be that fast to be that strong to be that resilient like it's just like you don't there's not that many people out there like

i'm six four i played at 310 my heaviest um and you just like not a lot of people can move or put on muscle mass like if i like start training hard like i just turn into muscle right like it just there's genetic make like just like all of us right what did you like when you when you were growing up were you always a big kid did you like i was always i was always a big kid but i wasn't like big i was yeah yeah i was always big like i was six three my freshman or my freshman year in high school yeah see that's what i'm saying and strong yeah but like that's just your penis go ahead yeah exactly uh i remember being in football practice freshman year my friend weston out there you might have seen him with the broken hand yeah like i got there and i'm like dude we are going you're practicing with the

older guys and i'm like they're just getting trucked by people your size i'm like oh fuck i'm out you just but so anyway so like there's just like genetic and then to stay healthy and to come back from injury and things like that like you're just built differently like you have the right right right amount of balance speed power all of these things so anyways and to get to the level i did like you gotta have i call it being a genetic mutant it's got like god you gotta be born with it right like because you're competing with how many other high school kids to get recruited, like, you gotta be born with it, right? Because you're competing with how many other high school kids to get recruited

to somewhere like SC. You still gotta work your ass off, right? That doesn't, like, hard work is mandatory, but,

like, you and I can work the same hard. You are never going to be 6'4", and 300 pounds, and run a sub-5, second 40.

It's not possible. It's not possible, yeah. And that's okay. This is where self-awareness plays a big part in yeah in people's lives so anyways i i had this this devastating injury and it really made me think what's important and devastating injuries and like big setback and as an athlete or like as anything in life when you dedicate so much to it you let it define you a bit and i had this big

like hit in the face of like who am i like what am I here for? That's why I ended up accelerating school and I ended up getting in grad school. I graduated on grad in three and got into Marshall School of Business as a 21-year-old, which is a whole nother story, another podcast. But I also, during that time, became really close with the med staff, with the PTs, the strength coaches, all of these experts. Because they were helping you recover? Because they were helping me. And I realized that if I wanted to continue to do what I loved, I had to get close with the smart people in the room. It wasn't just enough to work hard and be a mutant anymore. It was like, okay, well, I got to really work on my mobility. How do I think about nutrition? And I was thinking about,

I was doing sleep in college as a college kid. I was starting to track my sleep when I was 20. What year was this? This was 2006. Sleep didn't get cool until a decade ago. Yeah, it was actually not cool. It was actually not cool. Exactly. But diet, nutrition, how I trained, and when I trained, and when I went to school, and

all of these things. Anyway, so I got really nerdy into it and part of it was I just became friends with like the top performance doc at USC and then when I went and then when I got into the NFL I started I was friends with the dietician and the strength coaches and the data scientist and it was just like how do you get nuanced and what should I be doing? Why should I be doing it? And just like this constant iteration, but realizing that for me, I was still incredibly talented, but I wasn't the best of the best. I needed to find how do I do the little things to optimize what's really important. And that really led me into this health wellness optimization. And when I retired, I walked into this black hole of what is the market, right? What the hell do I take? Why do I take it? Who do I trust it from? I was used to being around

the best minds in the world. And it's like, I want to do X better. And they would create a protocol. They would talk about behaviors and they would tailor it to me. And then also they would just give me the best products in the world or you wouldn't buy them. And so when I walked out and like, I'm like, well, I'm really scared about my brain. Right. Like I still like to perform. And then you just like start Googling shit and Google and your buddies are like equally dangerous, right? They're black holes. They don't give good advice. It's like going into GNC and be like, Hey, what protein should I buy? Not going to get the best one. And that's what I realized. And then I just started this never-ending nerd out of curiosity in there. And that's

pretty much what led to what is Momentus now. I mean, about 10 years of me joining early stage biotech, really getting physiology getting right physiology, hard knocks, how the body works, right? The underlying entity become a behind momentous came out of that biotech, a really interesting science tech that was funded by the department of defense. But it really got me into the space thinking about what are the pillars and the cornerstones and working with experts and really understanding, Hey, there's a huge gap. And that gap was what I saw. I didn't know where to go, who to use, and I didn't associate with the best brands out there.

It was like, I want a partner to help me on my journey. I don't want a pharmaceutical type brand, and I don't want a bro science brand because I'm not a meathead anymore. You mentioned though, I know you said it's another podcast, but you did mention something about Marshall Business School. I know that's a super hard school to get into, and it seems like a lot of this is not just only built on your story. It's built on the fact that you have a business mind. I would love to hear, because we have a lot of people who are into the business side, how that has also shaped you being the CEO of this? Yeah. So to start with, I have a co-founder and she is the genius one, right? I will say like, we have a really unique role. Like I am the visionary, right? Big idea,

growth, innovator, and like this crazy connector. And she came from McKinsey and Company, which is like the proving ground for badass people in business. And she's what we call the integrator, right? She like runs the day-to-day, like make sure the engine and the train shows up on time and those things. And I get to go out and do the crazy big things and, and really think about product formulations and iterations and who are we working with and go to Congress and do these crazy things. But she, she is the true like business mind. Like I got my MBA. I love business and I'm, I'm, I have good business acumen, but that's not my skill set. I went from the NFL, played for four years, and I jumped into early stage biotech and learned business hard

knocks and then started this company with her. And we were both at the biotech together. And we just kind of like, I'm a galvanizer. I'm super passionate about what we do and I'm a nerd out in it. We gravitated towards what we both were really good at because we know you can't do both at the same time. Like you always need somebody like running, operating, thinking it. Then you need somebody who's incredibly passionate building. How are you getting these big outside wins, like outside shots on goal? Anyways, so. So it sounds like you have both counterparts, which is so important to running a business. What are the pillars that you guys really adhere to?

Because this is a unique supplement brand. Yeah, I would say, well, so when we started the company, we weren't in the supplement space. So our vision was to be the next great high-performance company. And whatever the hell that means. And when you define high-performance,

when you guys thought about your ideal customer, what does that profile look like? Yeah, it's definitely evolved over time. And now we've definitely evolved and minimized high-performance because it doesn't resonate with everybody. When I think about high-performance, I'm like, longevity. How do I perform in my day? I care about performance and I want to be the best every single day. I want to win every call I'm on. I

want to win every meeting. That's performance. But what we found is high performance, it can scare people. And our vision is to democratize high performance. What does that mean? Bring what is being done at the best, the smartest minds, bring it to the consumer, right? And help make it easy to understand and get people in the right product. So- Yeah, when you and I first connected and Andrew Huberman put us in touch, thanks Andrew. And what really resonated with me was we were talking and you shared like, listen, this is the kind of stuff that some of the best performers, whether it's in athletics or in business, would have access to that maybe most people don't know about or don't have access to themselves. And I think like what hooked me on, I was like, okay, if this is the

best of the best, what people are using to perform, whether that's for longevity or in a sport or, you know, for whatever they're doing, I think like that's what got me super interested and we're going to get into that. But I, you know, I think it's to your point, like I am from that same generation where you walked into a GNC and grabbed like a cytogainer and a muscle milk and like- Fruity pebbles flavored. Yeah, yeah. Whatever it was. And like, you just, you just assume because it's there that that's the stuff you should be taking. Yeah. And you asked the, you asked the kid, the 18 year old there, your 18 year self, 18 year old self goes into GNC and it's like, what should I take? And they're like,

this shit gets you jacked. And you're like, in, right? And it's like, that was the wrong move, right? Because that's not really what's important. And I don't know if 18-year-olds are our core demographic, but when I think about us and what we're trying to do in democratizing high performance, it's get people into the right products at the right time for them, right? And that's the best because the quality in our industry is quite scary. And there's a reason why pro and college sport teams can only work with so many brands. It's because the certifications that we have to carry to work with those brands are really hard to get and they cost a shit ton of money. What are some things that the audience can look out for in their supplements that are

a huge red flag? There's a lot of things. The challenge is our industry is not regulated. So what's on the label doesn't have to be what's in it. Oh, all right. And so, which we know to a degree, but like give an example, give an example. I'll give an example about us. So we sell vitamin D.

Vitamin D is really simple. Super simple. We failed a production run of vitamin D because it somehow got cross-contaminated with a banned substance. A what? A banned substance. What's that? Just something that's not allowed. Something that's impermissible within sport. What we do with that production run, it goes into a dumpster because we can't market it

based upon our certifications and our product standards because that supplement, that vitamin D, the most simple is of like vitamin D is super basic. Why is it so simple? It's just vitamin D, but like it came in cross-contamination. Like, there's no way vitamin D should do that. But in the manufacturing process, right? It could have been on a truck. It could have been in a warehouse. It could have been on the same production line, but it failed. And what we have to do is we have to dumpster it because of our certifications. Most brands don't certify anything or even test it. And there are two certifications that pro and college sports can use.

One is called NSF. The other one's called Informed Sport and Informed Choice. Those two logos on the package. Those two logos on the package. And basically, they don't only test for banned substances. They test for actual what is in the product is supposed to be in it. So banned substance, like there's whatever, 250 banned substances by the Olympic standards and pro sports that you can't take. And if you take, you test positive for drug test and you miss out on seasons. Me as a consumer, don't want to take banned substances unless I'm knowingly taking banned substances to increase whatever I want. And then number two is if it says it has

20 grams of protein in it, I want it to have 20 grams of protein in it, not 16 or 26. And that is not regulated either in our space. What we do is we also have label claim accuracy. So we've actually have things that come out of spec. And what we have to do is we have to apply to get our labels changed to meet those specs. So like in a hydration product, if we had too much sodium, we'd have to change the label to be accurate. And there are some, there are great brands out there that do that, right. That follow this, but not that many. And just because we say we're, because a brand says they're third party certified, that could

mean like you have somebody come in and make sure you don't have rats in your facility, right. That could be third party certified, but like like there these two governing bodies are incredibly important um because this is what's regulating all college sports are professional sports and so they have to and you know they have to measure that to make sure that everything's on an equal playing field but let's say someone at home does have a huge vitamin cabinet of all different things is there anything that they can turn the label over and look for that you have seen in a lot of vitamins that you're like this this is bullshit because I feel like you're like the vitamin detective. I don't know if I'm the vitamin detective. I think the challenge is when you think about

vitamins and supplements, to get 80% of the value, you don't have to do only 20% of the vitamins and supplements matter. And then to get that last 20%, it's so dialed and so specific, but the impact is so low. So what we definitely do as Americans and society is it's like, oh, let's just take the kitchen sink and then we don't do anything, right? Because like I took 20 pills today, that's too many and then you fall off. Whereas really there's like five things that matter to all of us and then we should optimize around one or two other areas, not like take the kitchen sink. So I would say some of the things that were like,

sucralose is the devil. We know that, right? And that's not going to be in any of your encapsulations, your pills, but sucralose is really, really bad, right? And we know that there's a ton of things. Huberman talks about all the like, but it's found a lot in powders, right? Gels, drinks, et cetera.

Fake sugar, fake sweetener. So if you see sucralose on the label, you're just- Yeah, you should probably stay away from it. And some sucralose is okay, but be smart on that. And I would say the other thing that's really important around supplements is understanding what the effective dose is. And that's something we've worked very, very hard at with our experts, is actually what is the effective dose that matters.

Omega-3 is a great example. Omega-3s, people think fish oils, right? And our brain, so anyways, little known fact, omega-3s are really, really important for our brain, right? Our brain is made up of DHA, or the most common fat in our brain is DHA, which is one of three omega-3s. And we just don't get enough omega-3s in our diet. But the challenge is when you look at omega-3s,

you can go to big box store and buy fish oil, right? But it might only have 100 milligrams of omega-3s. Is it also true that some of that fish oil is like maybe not so quality? It's just fish oil. Fish oil does not equal omega-3s. Did you see, I don't know if you've seen on Twitter, there was a lot of people, there was at one point, I actually messaged Andrew about this because there was a thread going on about people saying, don't take fish oil because it could be rancid or a lot of them, but I'm assuming that- A hundred percent. You're a hundred

percent right. So the quality of fish oil- I'm eating all your stash, by the way. That's my personal stash that I brought to Austin. But the challenge with fish oil is you need high doses, like an effective dose. So a hundred milligrams of DHA and a hundred milligrams of EPA- It does not make a difference. Is not an effective dose, right? And we know we need a lot to make it effective. And omega-3 has some really cool things around cognitive longevity and the studies around it from cognitive longevity

and cognitive performance is real, like 10,000 clinical studies around this. And this is like, if you had to pick two supplements that every human being should take, omega-3 and creatine, male or female, right? I want to talk about creatine-3 and creatine, male or female. I want to talk about creatine with you in a minute, but keep going. But not all omega-3s are created equal. Creatine is pretty much created equal across the board. So if you pick up 50 different omegas, I guarantee you where you source it from, the amount in it is going to be vastly different. And so what's really important, really high amount of DHA and EPA, right? Critical, the two critical ones you get, right? We have 1.6 grams total

per two capsules, which is as many as you can get. It's only DHA and EPA. 800 milligrams of each. Rather than when you look at a lot of omega-3s, it will be like 100 milligrams of this and 100 milligrams of DHA, 100 milligrams of EPA, and then a gram of fish oil. And fish oil, it just might as well be olive oil or it might as well be oil, right, for that matter. It's just fat from fish, but it doesn't have those core components of it. So that's really important to understand. And also like an omega is a great example because where you source fish from matters, right? Mercury content, heavy metals. Is it sustainable? There's like a lot of really important things,

but people don't think about that. And the quality, so the quality of fish oil, it's very, very different. Now, when you talk about the quality of vitamin D, not that different, right? Vitamin D is essentially a commodity. I'm buying the fuck out of your omegas because I'm thinking about the omega I take right now. And it's like- We have this omega. I haven't tried this one. I hoard this gosh.

The one I have in my room is a different brand. And I didn't even think about what kind of, like, is it farmed? Is it wild? That matters, right? It does. I want to know more about creatine you mentioned it earlier michael wants to know too i creatine is a little testy of a

subject with women we i feel like we don't have enough information it's something that i just started taking and i'm a fan of i would love to hear your opinion and it's interesting because i have taken creatine my entire life just always I think a lot of guys that get into weightlifting, they take it. And I only take, I take like five grams a day or whatever it is. Yeah. And feel great. But when I first introduced her to it, she was so scared that she was going to like get water weight and bulk up and all this stuff.

So I think like you demystifying a lot of the assumptions around. Yeah. Give us a TikTok clip for this. TikTok clip. Oh my God. I'm like anti, I'm like the most anti-TikTok human ever. Start with that. Yeah. Start. Creatine is really misunderstood. And so creatine is like one of my favorite ones because I didn't know this about creatine too until probably

three or four years ago. And so if I go back to what's most important to me is cognitive longevity. I hit my head for a living. I was a pro football player, right? I'm scared of dementia, Alzheimer's, all of these things. And creatine and omegas are the two things that have very, very well researched around cognitive longevity. But creatine is just a basic amino acid. And basically, it helps optimize your cells within your body your body in your brain right how do you consume right it helps optimize when uh those cells that consume a ton of energy creatine's

impact on cognitive performance is very well studied now like very very well studied and very well understood it just has this terrible stigma it's like creatine is like the bro-iest of all bro of all bro things well because i think it reminds me of meat in 2018 meats pr has changed and creatine's pr is changing too well because i think a lot of these i mean of the bro is bro sounds like these guys would take like 30 grams of creatine yeah you gotta load and it's guess what guess what also consumes a ton of energy your muscles and your cells and your muscles so when you're training super hard and you want to gain weight and get lean, load up on that creatine, shit works, right? Like I was an athlete in the late nineties, early two thousands, like creatine, I had no idea it was good for your brain.

But now what's happening in pro and college sports, and even in, it's fascinating, even in the most elite military special forces, they use creatine as a neuroprotective and a neuroregenerative product. They are prescribing it to their athletes or their special operators. Doesn't it help with sleep as well? It can have all those benefits, but creatine is just such a critical amino acid for our body. So anyways, creatine is fascinating. It's something that most people are very confused. And creatine costs no money. Essentially, creatine is cheap. And creatine is a pure commodity. Whereas I just talked about how different omegas are. Very, very different. Quality matters where it's sourced from.

Creatine monohydrate is creatine monohydrate is creatine monohydrate, essentially. You just want to make sure it's just creatine monohydrate. So when people are in market and they're looking at different creatine brands, it's not like the same as Omega where you could have a completely different source, completely different quality. It's pretty much across the board going to be the same. Very, very similar. And my guess is it's probably coming out of the same place. But what about specifically with creatine in women?

Is there any, because we were talking about off air, how there's differences between men and women. Should women take creatine differently than men or no? Small dose of creatine, right? How much? Two and a half to five grams a day. Okay. Right?

And that's right when you think about cognitive longevity, et cetera. Anyways, not to go down that rabbit hole. How do you take it? Do you take it after a workout, before, during? I just take it daily when I take all my stuff.

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hierarchy of needs. Again, like I take a lot of pills, right? I take like four of those omegas a day, right? i double dose because i know the impact like i'm scared shitless of my brain right like that is one of my motivating factors in life is like how do i just because of football and because of football yeah like i i know i did material damage to my brain like to my gray matter in my brain like that's that's a known fact i hit my head 70 times a day for 10 years have you ever done a brain scan yeah we're i'm i'm really lucky right i'm really good but that doesn't mean shit right like my like again genetically like lucky or something but like my grandpa had you know a deteriorating

brain disease right like all of again i think the next frontier when we think about where optimization goes is right now, right? And why do I think that is? Because if you might be the unlucky one that gets heart disease or cancer that we can't catch or can't cure, right? We can fix all of our knees, whatever. But this, once this goes,'re nothing right and right i know you guys had uh a tia on but like like healthspan versus lifespan right like my goal is to not have two years of my life where i

am lost and confused is to live a full life right yeah or more in some cases yeah be cognitively sharp anyway so that's my heart So what do I take for energy? Like I drink a cup of coffee in the morning, realistically. And then, but my stack, so my stack is, I'm habitual on creatine omegas. If I don't do anything else, those are the two things I do. If I travel and I forget that shit, I'll go buy stuff at the store, not my stuff.

But like now I'm in my head, right? It's like, I care so much about that. Number two thing I always do, I always do our sleep stack. Not always, pretty religiously. Every night though? Pretty much, yeah. Magnesium, L-theanine, and apigenin. Okay. And it never has... I actually wanted to add this one. That's what he roofied me with. Yeah. That's what I roofied you with. You have these little sleep sacks that we travel with and I take them at home too. But you don't get a diminishing return if you take it every night.

No. Okay. So it'd be the same. Right. All natural. Exactly. Okay. So he's going to do it every single night now.

Okay. And can we also take a magnesium water on top of that? Yeah. A hundred percent. Okay. So go on. We're all magnesium deficient. So go on with your list.

I want to hear this list. I'm really dialed into the Tongat Fidoja hormone stack. And I would say in our portfolio of products. That's the one that makes the penis hard and the sex doesn't stop. If you want to be scientific. If you want some horny goat weed. That's not horny goat weed. Some natural Viagra.

I would say, I love it. But I would say though, like, right, it is great for testosterone support. And I would say this is the part of our portfolio that has the most science up and coming. So Tongat and Fidoja are natural products, right? Plants. And Tongat's really, really interesting. And it has good clinical research behind it. It's still a growing base of evidence.

But essentially, Tongat is like an upstream and it has cascading events in terms of testosterone production, right? So it helps influence the systems that help produce testosterone in our body. Now, Fidoja, on the other hand, like Fidoja is a really new, not well-researched supplement or molecule. But Fidoja helps with LH, which is a hormone. Can't say it on air. I can't say it. I just can't pronounce it. And basically what that does is it helps free testosterone. And so both of those things are really natural testosterone ages.

And if you take your stack, is this something that you do for a period of time or can you do it consistently every day like is this like you know with creatine you're going to take it daily with daily but but this is this something you like you should cycle okay right you know i would say go down the rabbit hole if if you're a dude or your husband's interested in this with dr huberman and a guy named kyle gillette dr kyle gillette on his podcast on huberman's podcast, they go into it. And yes, you should cycle on and off Tongat and Fidoja. And it's a little bit of a different one. And some of the recommendations is like Tongat 11 months on, one month off. And Fidoja could be four weeks on,

one week off type of thing. So if you're a man and you're listening to this and you want to boost your testosterone, this could be an interesting all natural way to do it. And if you're a woman and you want the man in your life to boost his testosterone. There's some really cool anecdotal. Again, Fidoja is super early in its research. I would say in our portfolio of products, if there's one product that in the next three years that we don't carry anymore, it would be Fidoja. And that just based upon if the body of literature grows and it shows it doesn't do anything. It's the only one that has so early data. It's got a really cool mouse study on it. And more data is going to come out on it. But anyways. You mentioned, obviously, you saw that we had Atiyah on the show,

but we talked about TRT and we're talking about how sometimes a lot of young guys dive into this stuff way too early without trying other things first. It could be real problematic. So I think like, again, if you're thinking about boosting testosterone, this would be maybe a more smarter way to approach it before you think about jumping to TRT. That's my thing, right? Like I'm, uh, right. The smart people in my life, like when they're thinking about TRT, I'm like, I'm not there yet. I'm there'll be a day I pull that trigger. Someone messaged me about it. I said, I for sure will think about it at some point later in life, but at 35, 36. Yeah. And I'm, yeah, I got like two on you, not much, you know? And I'm like, I'm not ready for it. Let's do some natural stuff.

And I historically have pretty low T. So testosterone and brain injury is actually pretty well connected, which is really fascinating. And we can go into like, they actually prescribe testosterone to guys in the NFL because of, because when you have too many concussions, your T can, your testosterone levels pretty significantly. And you're like out, like you're so low, you're like dangerous at that point. You know, it's crazy. You just wouldn't think of a bunch of football players are all like hyped up and revved up and muscled out to have low T, but it's the brain. It's the brain, right? It's the brain is so important. Those are two really interesting ones that are definitely kind of at the, I'll call them like products at the pace of discovery, like

new products that are coming out. And we work with our experts to say, hey, should we have these? Should we not have them? Where should we source them, et cetera, on that? And testosterone for men and women is very important. Can a woman take this or is this? That's where like, I'm not smart enough. Like the smart people say, Hey, there's a role for Tongan, Fidoja. You would have to look at your hormone levels. Yeah. Hormone levels. And I would get smart on that. But again, right? Like males hormone cycle, like we're, we're like, we're just cavemen, right? Like testosterone peaks, like whatever,

whenever, sometime in our early twenties. And then it just slowly dies over time right and it's depressing but i don't feel bad for you guys at all and then we have to go through all your testosterone yeah when you think about a female's hormone profile of like menopause perimenopause like all these things right it's insane like after i had a baby and he goes what's wrong with with you? I'm like, what's wrong with me? Carson, take that out of this episode. Take it out. Edit it out. Yeah.

But when you think about, right? So if you're naturally, like, right, naturally have a cycle, like your hormone, you have four phases a month. Whereas like our testosterone doesn't change significantly in the course of three years, probably. Yeah. Right? And they were talking about four different periods in a month for a female plus then you

have like right all of the crazy things that happen childbirth breastfeeding well are you on right i'm lucky to be around really smart women in this but really small experts in women's performance and we are we as a society are just starting to begin to understand how female hormones and cycles and whether they're right, whether they're on birth control or not play into the interactions on everything, right? Like our bodies, males are super simple, right? Because our hormone profile is pretty consistent. telling lauren though which has really been interesting she just got into weightlifting in the last two it's been two years now that she started weightlifting and i think you know you know the bros have always known about creatine and a lot of this supplementation and whey protein and different protein but like i think this is a new topic for many women not to say women don't know about this but i know at least in my wife's case like i'm introducing to her to a lot of this stuff and i think more women should know about this kind of stuff because men have been using this for performance for years. And I think a lot of women are sometimes scared of these kinds of things thinking it's going to change their profile or

their composition. A thousand percent. I mean, aimless plug for Stacey Sims, who's one of the leading female experts in physiology. And she is like all women's strength train right when you think about bone density and long-term health and wellness and that doesn't mean get yoked look like a crossfit athlete that just means like go in and do something with some load right and i don't know that yeah that's not my goal to get you i i all i've seen since weight lifting and i do it four to five times a week for the last two years is my body composition has completely shrunk. Like my clothes fit differently. I feel different when I carry myself. I feel stronger in my body, but everything feels small. It feels like a trunk wrapped me. Yeah. So that's why I'm like always talking about it on the podcast because I think that so many

women have heard bad PR for weightlifting and it's really incredible. I think like you don't have to get yoked. Yeah. That's not the purpose, right? Right. Weightlift. This is just resistance training, right? Just a way of life. And anyways, it's quite fascinating. And I love to hear you say that because there is this huge stigma around weightlifting, like both for men and women it's like weightlifting is not like throwing weight around and getting jacked but you might want to get jacked like i don't mind like getting jacked and like who doesn't like a jacked right a fit who doesn't like a fit you'll never regret being jacked i guess is what the way i describe

it you don't need to be the main goal. There's so many different things too, along with gaining muscle that you get from strength training. I think that I was talking about this on another podcast, but the way my skin is attached to my muscle, because I'm such a skin fanatic, is different. Like I can see my skin is tighter around the muscle. It looks younger than it did before I started weightlifting. Yeah. It's fascinating. Even the skin in my face, it looks like glowier and tighter from building muscle. I know that sounds nuts, but skin is like what I do. So that's something that I've noticed.

And I look at, you know, one of my really good friends, Kim Kelly. She is huge into weights. And I think she's like 50. But the way that she looks is her skin is just tied around the muscle. I can't explain it. And I think a lot of women don't realize that there's so many other benefits. The serotonin, or I don't even know if it's dopamine boost that you get. I'll walk in and be having a really bad day and I'll lift weights. And it diffuses the bad mood.

Yeah. I would like to talk about something that I feel like you're the perfect person to ask. I had a girlfriend that got in a car accident. And she had a traumatic brain injury. And she got severe depression. And the problem with it was, was she looked normal. She looked fine from the outside but she had this crippling almost suicidal depression yeah and everyone kind of was dismissed her because

they're like well you look fine like kind of get over it i don't think people realize the effect that traumatic brain injury has on depression and anxiety uh yes is the answer um i had a really smart person when i was playing the nfl one of the reasons why i walked away from the game was basically said hey son everything underneath the chin that's carpentry we fix that shit with hammers and nails everything above the chin we don't even know about right like he's like that's like warp speed shit right and so and this was a decade ago but to say like we still don't really understand how the brain works and what we know and what we've learned in that last decade right these great right great professional football players and right the suicide rate of special

operators all these people they're not killing themselves because they're not high achieving human beings. They're doing it because their wires got screwed up from traumatic brain injury, whether it's a car accident, getting blown up in Iraq or taking a big hit, right? It's all the same. And so I think there's so much, there's not a lot of great information out there and we're still learning so much about what it is so i have three boys and my middle boy uh in this winter had got in a really bad ski accident and was unconscious unresponsive on the mountain and had a terrifying like terrifying terrifying he's totally fine but had a traumatic brain injury and we spent seven days in the hospital with them and i am incredibly lucky because i have people like dr huberman and other incredible minds that are neuroscientists that focus on this that are treating right the super secret people in the military and how they do

deal with tbi and i just called them and said, what should I be doing? And like we talked about omegas and creatine, is it okay for a six-year-old? Why? And I'm sitting here and like the top neurosurgeon or whatever at the hospital or at, he had no idea that there was this research on it. And basically I was like, hey, I'm going to start giving my boy omegas. This was like day two in the hospital, right? And low doses of creatine. And he's like, why would you do this? There's no data on it. Which is scary in itself, not to throw shade at the guy, but that's kind of alarming as well.

It is alarming, but that's not how they're trained, right? Like he's trained to cut open a kid's brain. He's a pediatric neurosurgeon, right? He's trained to cut open a brain and like release swelling on a brain, right? But when you think about like those two little things and he went home and he's and he came back the next morning he's like i had no idea that there was this much research on here and it's like creatine omega's do no harm right and it's like those are the types of things like to your friend of like you just want to understand what are the really like low cost

do no harm easy things to do that could potentially help. Right. And it's like, Hey, take a cold shower for five minutes a day. If that helped your friend, she should do it. Right. Not saying that that does. Right. But there are things that are out there that are super simple, but they're not well known. And we're still learning about the brain, but the brain, right. You mentioned your friend with traumatic brain injury. That's what I'm scared of, right? Because I didn't have one major event. I had thousands of small events, right?

And when we think about how many of our great men and women who serve our country are committing suicide, that's because they're a psychological disorder. That's a wiring disorder, right? That's because their wires got pinched, shut off, changed. They have swelling, whatever that may be on the brain. We know that to be true. And so I think where I'm really passionate about going, and one of the things that I want to do the most advocacy around is long-term brain health.

I would love to develop a product with some of the smartest people that just touches that space because I think it's the next phase. We talked about this. Our bodies are going to outlive us unless we figure out how to make this go longer. We were talking off air and I don't know if you can even share this, but we were asking where you were coming from. You said DC and that you were doing something or speaking to Congress. Yeah. Is that around this kind of subject? So we've won 10 government innovation contracts now and momentous has momentous has, and these are around optimization and performance, both physical, cognitive, et cetera. And because of that, we've, we've really gardened a lot of

respect within, within the government. We're, we've really garnered a lot of respect within the government. We're really one of the only companies in the space doing that. And we're doing clinical research and actively trying to develop new innovative products in our space or clinically validating existing ones for different use cases.

And so some of what we learned in some of our work with the military is there needs to be a ton of advocacy work and we need to change some policy. And so we took this approach this year of, hey, we want to go, because of our relationships with the DOD, we want to go share some of that with Congress

and the Senate. And we got a huge reception and we got invited to host a briefing on Capitol Hill about four months ago on traumatic brain injury. And we brought in an expert panel to talk about traumatic brain injury, supplementation, and other things that are being done. We brought in the top dietitians from the military to talk about what they're doing in SOCOM, because what happens in special operations is very different than what happens

at the 101st Airborne, for example. And then we brought in some of these practitioners from pro and college sports teams that said, hey, this is our protocol. This is our neuroprotective protocol. This is our post-traumatic or post-TBI protocol. This is what we know about light, et cetera. And we brought in one of the experts from the UFC. Anyways, so we brought this all in to brief

certain members of Congress that were interested around TBI and what can happen and what we should be doing and some of the challenges that are facing. And then this week, the other area that we've become really passionate about, because we just see the huge gap is female performance and female specific supplementation for that matter. We don't know much about the female body. We just talked about that. Most clinical research is done on white men, 18 to 22, right? That's a really easy population

to study. And really a lot of things around performance are that as well. And so understanding how the female body interacts at different times of their cycle, how they should train during their cycle. We're really passionate about building this product around female connective tissue health. So women are three times more likely to have a soft tissue injury in the military as men, right? And that's basically during one of the phases of the menstruation cycle, the luteal phase, you have the most joint laxity, right? And joint laxity is super important when you have a baby. But when you're an athlete playing soccer

or you're in the gym and you're not trying to rear a child, joint laxity is not necessarily super important. And part of that, one of the doctors we work with out of UC Davis has a belief that collagen absorption and synthesis is blocked during that period. And collagen is really important to connective tissue health. Going down the rabbit hole. So I believe that TBI and female performance and optimization are kind of the next two big things. But we need policy to change and we need some advocates in there to change how research dollars are invested, right? We need to change how we think about things, right? And how we think about easy solutions like an omega-3 for TBI. And how are we

expecting our military to be an effective force when we're counting on women to be an effective part of the military. Because we can't train women the same way we train men. Women and men can do the same thing, can do the same tasks, but they're going to get there in a different way, right? That's just like, we can't ask them to train the same. I don't get why that's like such a polarizing conversation. It's not polarizing, but it takes policy change to make it happen. Right. Right?

And that's the thing of like, it needs to be talked about. And that's- But she's saying polarizing. Like some people will take issue with saying that men and women can't be trained the same way, but you're basically-

Yeah, well, I mean, to quote Dr. Stacey Sims, women are not small men, right? You don't have a penis. Like, to be straight up. But I also think like, thank God I don't have a penis because I have other assets that I can use that you guys don't have. penis right like to be straight up but i also think like thank god i don't have a penis because i have other assets that i can use that you guys don't have and i

will also say i just don't get why the energy of like it needs this equality thing like we're exact equal people like we're just not exactly we have different you said we can get there but it's got to be different ways we have different superpowers yeah i am grateful every day that you don't have a penis yeah it really it's like something i it might be fun for a night but no there you go i don't know for there yet but you know i think a lot of this stuff i mean first i think it's awesome what you guys are doing but also like best of luck doing like all of it because like i mean i know how hard it is to implement small changes in big organizations and now you're talking about a government entity and advocating for all this stuff especially in a culture where and i imagine like many people are frustrated including yourself where it's like

you jump to the extreme fix before you get to the root cause of things and i think that is you know that has from an industrious, gotten us very far. But I think from a health standpoint, it's not. But to me, right? Yes, it's hard. And it's a big, audacious goal, all these things. But I think we're all called, right? You all have an amazing platform.

We're all called to do good when we have great power or great access. And one of the things that right i was just around people who gave back a lot growing up and just saw the impact you can have in communities and lives and that little people can make big changes and we have this incredible access an incredible platform and some of us like we were just in the right room at the right time early on in this company where we got some government support, right? We've received four and a half million dollars in federal funding to help fund and build our company and build products. Wow.

Right? But also with that, we need to give some back too. And we have this platform to go on. We want to be the anti-supplement supplement company. We want to do things. Why can't we do advocacy work and be thought leaders in the space? We are. That's our goal. If we just want to sling some subs out of the back of our car, we're doing a shitty job because we make high quality things that have high costs. We're premium and it's kind of complicated. If we wanted to make a lot of money, we would just sling low quality things, do really good branding and marketing, which our business is not great at quite yet, but that's not who we are. Like I, I believe myself and my co-founder, I believe we're called to be able to make an impact in the

world and we can do make money, make an impact, do good, inspire change. And, and you, you leave DC and it was like, all you need is one champion. You just need one congressional office or one congressional member to say, this is important. We did it on TBI. We found a senator that was like, holy shit, why are we not doing this? Creatine costs like 30 cents a day. And he's like 30 cents a day. And this could help protect people with TBI, our soldiers, our special operators. Why aren't we doing this? Like, that's like, like they more ammunition or more gasoline drips out of a fighter jet, right? The cost of then the Crete team.

So it's like, all you need is one champion to do it, to make change, but you don't get change if you don't try. Right. And we walked out yesterday and we had whatever day it was Tuesday. And we had some of the smartest women and men in this space and female performance and optimization. Like we had one of the first ranger, female rangers ever passed ranger school, which was like total badass. Like I want to be here when I grow up. Right. Like she's done the, she's been the first of almost

everything she's done, but there are also people in there that were on day one of their journey. Like you have, like these people are the top, the tip of the pointy spear. But what I'm proud of, we gave them a platform to communicate with really powerful people that create change.

Because excellence is built in silos. Change is built in ecosystems. Right? And excellence will always be built in silos, right? And you got to break down those silos and build an ecosystem to create change. I think that's something that Dr. Huberman has done, right? He has taken excellence in multiple silos, broken that down and built an ecosystem, right? And that's what we're trying to do is like, if you can break down these walls and create opportunities for these really smart, talented people, just have a platform that's not their own platform talking to people that

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and i imagine when he sees what i mean obviously you guys work together but what you guys are doing here um the mission from both both parties is very aligned which is like you're just trying to present the best information with the best sources and best ingredients and the best products possible. Yep. A hundred percent. You are obviously a very high performer yourself. What are some things that you do besides supplementation on a day-to-day basis? Like you mentioned cold shower. What are you doing? What are your pillars? That's a really good question. I would say I prioritize my sleep. What does that look like i will prioritize sleep over exercise and i will prioritize my family over both on that and so i would say

i'm really active like i have a treadmill desk i love to ruck right put weight on my back and i just walk on my treadmill desk like it's being on zoom meetings is the most boring thing ever and i'm so thankful that this podcast is not over zoom uh there's no way we would have done it i know it's terrible zoom is the worst thing ever for what it's become so i exercise pretty regularly i always like i train when i train i train pretty hard and i do a bunch of stupid shit because it's fun what's like get specific on that like when just for context when you when you say you when you train you train really hard like what does that look like so i have a group that i train with in Park City and they're ex-Olympians, ex-Special Forces, ex-people like me. And there's this guy, Hobie Darling is his name. He was the former CEO of

Skullcandy, the headphone company. Oh yeah, he's out there. He's like a big fixture out there. Didn't they move the whole, wasn't that whole company out there? Yeah, the whole company. It's headquartered in Park City where we are. He's like a big fixture out there. Oh, huge. Didn't they move the whole, wasn't that whole company out there? Yeah. The whole company. It's headquartered in Park City where we are. He has this crucible event that we do every year and it's like crazy. Last year, our crucible was, I'll walk you through it and be patient. It was, you started with 250 burpees. Oh my God. You did a 10 mile paddle, followed by 10 mile stand up paddle board, followed by another 250 burpees, followed by a 20 mile mountain bike ride, followed by 250 250 burpees followed by a 20 mile mountain bike ride

followed by 250 burpees followed by a 20 mile, 20 pound ruck followed by 250 burpees. Like, let me just, nobody finished it. Not one person. No. Somebody might've went to the hospital. Nobody finished it. Like the port purpose is, is a crucible. It's supposed to be scary, incredibly hard. How far did the first person get? The front group did 14 miles of the ruck. I stopped doing burpees at 620. So I was in the front group, but I was just like, I'm done with burpees.

Also, I'm much larger than every other human being that does this. Yeah, like for you to do a bunch of burpees at your size. Burpees or ruck or ride the bike, it's just mass equals more force equals all these things.

Anyways. And I'm broken burpees hurt. And 600 burpees is a shit ton of burpees. Like I can't, anyways, I challenge anyone right now to do 50 burpees and see what it's like. It's terrible. Anyways.

So that was one, that was a day. We did a crazy swim run, swim run. And so we're always, and, and Hobie, Hobie does a lot of programming and it's like,

can you puke? Can you not puke? But is this mostly like, are Hobie does a lot of programming and it's like, can you puke? Can you not puke? But is this mostly like, are you doing mostly this kind of stuff where it's like these extreme things? Are you doing like consistent weightlifting? Oh, consistent, consistent weightlifting, consistent. We, in Park City, there's also the Utah ski jump and we, we run the stairs, right? It's a huge, a huge, huge amount of stairs, but we just like. And then we go in and we like, Monday

I did back squats and RDLs and I went for a little run and all those things. You're always active. Just trying to be active. But like my ideal world is like I train for an hour and a half every day. And that happens once a month. Right? I normally like get

50 minutes. Like I have 50 minutes to do something. Right? And that's just because I month. I normally get 50 minutes. I have 50 minutes to do something. And that's just because I prioritize what makes... I can be active. I can ruck and talk on the phone. I can do all those things. My family makes me happy. If I don't sleep, I'm a disaster. And that's really important. I cold plunge. I have a plunge love it a like best product on the market um on there and i eat pretty clean uh not super clean but i eat pretty clean so but you know what you have a plunge like that's the brand plunge the plunge yeah that's the one that's white yeah okay i know exactly what we have that on the blog too you guys they're amazing that's it looks

like sort of like a beautiful bathtub it is i mean I mean, it's like, it looks good. You don't have to fill it with ice. Yeah. Like, it's like, it's just ready. Yeah. It's cost effective. Sauna? I don't have a sauna. It's on the to-do list.

It's on the to-do list. Yeah. You like sauna. I would love a sauna. I would love nothing more than a sauna right now. But you know what's so interesting is like, you know, we talk to a lot of people on the show and then I'll personally and some people, like whenever I hear someone say, I don't have the time.

When I met you, I think you were rucking on your treadmill desk walking. And that was in an introductory meeting. But the point is, is you can, people can get creative and find ways to move their body. Just saying you don't have the time just means you don't care about prioritizing. It's just BS, right? Like we can all have time to like move the body and we don't, you don't need to go to zone five. Like you don't need a red line. I mean, it's good to red line sometimes,

but you don't need to like just be active, right? Like that's what we're called to like, we're built to move. One of my favorite ones is when I post a book on Instagram stories and someone will respond to me, how do you have the time to read? And I'll literally voice note back and be like, if you're on Instagram consuming my content, you have time to read. So true. It's like, if you're watching someone and you're like, I don't understand how they have the time to do that.

Take the time that you spend watching someone's content and put it towards your own life. Exactly. That'll give you time. A hundred percent. I mean, for me, like whatever I'm saying down the street and I'm on the 14th floor, I just take the stairs. Right. And that's like two more minutes than the elevator, but that's an impactful five minutes. Well, I think it's about also being creative with time. Like when you say you're on the treadmill and you're rucking, you're, you're have your desk there and you're like, you're doing a lot of things at once. I think that there's ways to creatively habit stack things. A hundred percent. Right.

And also just, you know, not, I'm not a big fan of multitasking, but I love a passive multitask. So taking your calls while you walk outside, like it's just putting those little things together that you can, where you can.

So the really big thing that sold me on a treadmill desk was it actually allowed me to focus way better. Yeah. So what I realized when I'm on Zoom, I'm checking email, doing texts, all these things. If I'm sitting in a phone booth right at my desk, when I'm walking, guess what you can't do? You can't kind of listen and type and do all that. Like it's you and the screen, right? Like because you're walking. And so like it makes me way in the screen, right? Like, cause you're walking in.

So like, it makes me way more present in my conversation. It feels like you're in person because you have like this physical sense of there and you can't like, you can't do more than one thing. Just like in person. It's like, I can't look at you in the eye and give you my full attention while I'm texting or it's why it's one of the reasons we won't do this show without it being in person. We literally like we've had quote unquote big names request to come on the show.

And the only way they'll agree to come on as if they do it, zoom and we'll huge name. Like we'll say no. We'll just be like, it's hard to say no. It's very, very hard. I know it would make a headline.

It would get a buzz and be a big guest, but I just know it's like, not the same. Everyone's going to be distracted. Nobody's gonna be paying attention. I don't have this interaction. I can't tell if it falls out. I will say, and I'm not, maybe the audience knows, there's one person we did that was a quote unquote big name and it was on Zoom with a fancy setup. And it was the last time we've ever done an interview like that, it's this, it's the interaction. I need to see you. I need to actually see your facial reaction and understand when to go and not to go. When you take all that out of it, I understand Zoom can be effective for some things, but.

It is. It's a great tool. It's just COVID made it like 90% tool. I also just, I'm more late to Zoom meetings than I am to in-person meetings because people don't know when to get off that thing. Sometimes you got to just hang up, you know, move on. It's a that thing. It's like just sometimes you got to just hang up, you know, move on. It's a little awkward.

It's like, do we, it's like we got to go, you know? Yeah. And it's not as personal. Like I don't want to stand up anybody. No. But on Zoom, you're like, that's just a computer. It's like, whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. Can we do a code? Can we do a giveaway? Yes and yes. Okay. Let's do code skinny. Code skinny.

Boom. I am going to suggest, since I just tried it, the omegas to everyone. I think that that's a really great product for my audience specifically to try. I'm going to let Michael suggest something because he has a sleep cocktail. Well, because I think you have the sleep packs that are already the pre-portioned proper dosage that you guys have come up with are already the pre-portioned proper dosage that you guys have come up with to get the optimal sleep cocktail. Yes. And if I'm flubbing this, let me know.

It is basically, it's four pills in there, right? Five pills. Five pills. Okay. And it's the- Magnesium threonate. Magnesium threonate. Threonate.

Which is really important because not all magnesium is the same. Magnesium threonate is the clinically validated form of magnesium to cross the blood-brain barrier. And apigenin. Apigenin. And that's it. That's it. So it's probably, is it two pills?

It's three mags. Three mags. One and one. Yeah. And so if you take that, you're going to sleep like a baby. This to me is way better than, what's the product that everyone was taking? I don't even, it's gotten a bad name over the days. Calm?

No, no, no, no. There was a thing that a lot of people thought that you take, but it was like, wait, you wait. Oh, melatonin. Yeah, melatonin, which I think people should know. No, melatonin's not good. I do not like melatonin. I don't know how you feel about it.

Yeah, melatonin, if used correctly, can be beneficial. So we have a product called Elite Sleep, and it has a very small dose of melatonin. It was designed with pro and college sports teams, and it was designed when you cross multiple time zones right that's how they use it or when you need to prioritize sleep because melatonin is a hormone right very important to realize that and messing with your own melatonin you become dependent upon it so that's why you got to be careful that's why you have to be careful but when you need to change your circadian rhythm and your body clock it can be beneficial but like i don't like like it is unless you need to prioritize sleep that night and it's like i got a game tomorrow i got something huge that i need to make sure i sleep melatonin is

okay not habitual i mean even though the data says it's not a habit for me not a slow low dose no that's why i had to stop because i noticed that at one point when I was doing it, we were traveling a lot. I was like, I kind of was like taking it all the time. But with the sleep cocktail, you can take it all the time. Yeah, it's just three natural, right? L-theanine comes from tea. Apogenin comes from chamomile, grapefruit.

And then magnesium threonate is just magnesium. It's just the most bioavailable form of magnesium for your brain. And then for the last thing, I know this is two things, but I think for the men out there or the women that are interested in this for their men, the Tongat and the Fidoja that you guys make, I think is best on the market. And if you're interested in boosting testosterone or experimenting before you jump to something like a TRT or whatever, I think- A hundred percent. We're the only brand that actually has third-party certifications of those two products too, which is super important. I love what you're doing. I think you're awesome. Thank you so

much for coming on. I'm so glad Andrew connected that you guys. We'll do it again. Yeah. I hope that you give me a sleep cocktail every single night and I'll expect it on my bedside. All right. Thank you.