The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Jennie Garth - How To Be Happy, Fulfilled, & Focused By Choosing Yourself

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

#735: Today we’re sitting down with Jennie Garth. Jennie is a long-time actress best known for her role as Kelly Taylor on the television series Beverly Hills 90210. We discuss the successful course of her career, the side effects of fame, and keeping up with the evolving television industry while being a mom and businesswoman.    To connect with Jennie Garth click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is brought to you by Armra ARMRA Colostrum strengthens immunity, ignites metabolism, fortifies gut health, activates hair growth and skin radiance, and powers fitness performance and recovery. Visit www.tryamra.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 15% off your first purchase.   This episode is brought to you by Hiya Health Hiya Health fills in the most common gaps in modern children's diet to provide full-body nourishment our kids need with a yummy taste they love. Go to hiyahealth.com/skinny to receive 50% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace From websites and online stores to marketing tools and analytics, Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. Go to squarespace.com/skinny for a free trial & use code SKINNY for 10% off your first purchase of a website domain.   This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp BetterHelp is online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat-only therapy sessions. So you don’t have to see anyone on camera if you don’t want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy & you can be matched with a therapist in under 48 hours. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/skinny.   This episode is brought to you by Reel Paper   Reel paper is available in easy, hassle-free subscriptions or for one-time purchases on their website. If you head to reelpaper.com/skinny and sign up for a subscription using code SKINNY at checkout, you'll automatically get 30% off your first order and free shipping.   This episode is brought to you by Sun Bum Visit sunbum.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 15% off your first purchase.   Produced by Dear Media  

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Aha! I became passionate about acting as I was doing it because I felt like I was good at it and I felt like I had that purpose and I was able to move people or touch people or get some reaction out of them. Just feeling that I was doing something well, you know, made me keep wanting to do it. It's an emotionally charged industry. It's a, it's a art that's all about emotions. So when people have said, you're so emotional, emotional, you're, why are you so emotional? You know, do you ever, women get this sometimes. You're so emotional. Like what, you need to come from a non-emotion place about this. And I always said, you know what? I'm not emotional. I'm emotion full. Like I am full of emotions and I'm not afraid of them and I'm not ashamed of them. Hello, everybody. Once again, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today,

we're sitting down with Jenny Garth. Jenny is a longtime actress best known for her role as Kelly Taylor on the television series series Beverly Hills 90210. Today, we discuss the successful course of an actress in her career, the side effects of fame, keeping up with evolving television industry while being a mom and businesswoman. We also talk about the importance of gratitude and fulfillment, the importance of choosing yourself and the need to block out the noise and focus on your own wants and happiness, how to balance motherhood and a career, embracing authenticity and vulnerability, and learning new skills to build a new business. With that, Jenny Garth, welcome to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.

I am so excited to have you in studio. I think if you go back to your DMs, I might have harassed you a couple years ago. I've been trying to go through all different avenues to book you on the show. I remember watching you when I was a little girl and you were my favorite. You really were out of the whole entire cast and just falling in love with you. And to see you now and off air, you to tell me that you're entrepreneurial and you're tapping into that is so cool to see your evolution. So I think to start out with this, I would like to know who you were before acting. Who was I before I was an actress?

I was a little girl. Like I literally had, you know, I lived in Illinois. I grew up on a farm and my free time was spent playing with animals and riding my bike, you know, and I just come from very, I want to say simple, but just easy people, Midwestern, no pretense. And that's who I am. And I came, you know, I'm from the Midwest. So what was high school, elementary school? Elementary school was interesting because that's the point where you realize, oh, wait, it's not just fun and games all the time. There's a lot of other energies involved, a lot of other females. And I remember that being a very tumultuous time for me because

I didn't know my place. My sisters on our farm, I had this huge family and I never needed anything outside of that. And then when I started to go to school and realized I need friends, you know, I have to have friends and I have to figure out how to make friends, how to keep friends. All of that was very new for me. And I think for most young girls, it can be challenging. And so that was great. In high school, I only went to high school for two years until I realized that I was going to move to L.A. and give acting a try. And at that point, I got my GED. So I left school.

How does that even, though, transpire that you're on the on the farm you're in Illinois you're in college and you're like I'm gonna get my GED and move to LA what's that conversation with your parents there was a you there was a gap okay so when I was on the farm that was I was before 12 after 12 I moved to Arizona where it was like a little bit more city right we're in Arizona Phoenix Glendale yeah my dad was very sick so he needed a drier, warmer client for his heart health. So that's why we moved to Arizona. Where is that? I lived there for a bit.

Did you? Where did you live? I went to the Harvard of the Desert, University of Arizona in Tucson, Arizona. Okay, okay. Basically the only place that would have let me step foot on campus. Yeah. That's a fun school. For my formal education to become a podcaster later.

I heard it's a party school. I did learn that. I heard things too. Just block it out of your mind. When did you decide though that you wanted to be an actress? What's the conversation with your parents? What do they say? How do they respond?

Well, it wasn't my idea at all. I was teaching dance classes to little girls in Glendale, Arizona, at a corner, you know, like a shopping mall strip dance shop. It's like on the show, Dance Moms. And I was just teaching little girls how to tap dance. And then this opportunity came up for a scholarship pageant where I could get a scholarship to modeling or to acting or something like that. So I decided to do it and I did it and I was discovered at that

that experience in Laughlin, Nevada. And the man who discovered me said, would you, if you ever want to give it a shot, give a call basically and he is still to this day my manager that's cool yeah so wow it's quite an amazing story because we've been together since the inception of the idea of acting is this back in the day that i remember this like didn't they used to just send scouts out and they would find like models that's how they used to do it now there was no no this this man though he wasn't scouting. He was doing a favor for a friend by filling in as a guest judge at this rinky dink, a little scholarship pageant. And he had never discovered anyone like that before. He had never gone up to anyone and said, Hey, do you want to

be an actress? But he was with his wife. So it gave him a certain amount of cred and I wasn't too frightened by him coming up to me I was with my mom of course and we spent time getting to know him and his wife and then they said they you know if you ever come out to California let us know and so we did we one day we just my mom and I decided let's let's try it but there was never a plan there was never a burning desire inside of me to become an actress but when you look back on how you were as a child now with perspective was there like a sparkle or an energy that you see that made you have that it factor well I was the baby of the family my daughter daughter and I, we discussed this occasionally, like the birth order. I was just talking about it with my older daughter, Luca,

to the birth order and being the baby of the family, you get a lot more attention probably than the siblings sometimes. I used to bake for bribes. I would bake my sister's bribes to get out of the chores of the farm. And I would do a lot of dancing for everyone to entertain them. So that's the extent of whatever that sparkle was. I don't know. It was just the baby of the family. When you got to LA, what did that look like? Well, I had left one of my sisters in Illinois, left my other two sisters in Arizona. It was just me and my mom in an apartment in Van Nuys. And we would get auditions and I would take acting school at night. And I would drive around the city to auditions with my Thomas guide, my map,

and my mom would drop me off and pick me up at the auditions. That's what that was like. But I was lucky because that didn't last very long. I got my first job pretty quickly. I mean, I really did luck out. Was there any rejection, though, before that that you experienced before lucking out? You call it lucking out. I'm sure it's more than luck. But was there rejection before that?

Other than just personal challenges or personal rejections along, you know, growing up, things that happen. But in the industry, no. I got my first job, I think it was, my first job was on Growing Pains, which was, do you remember that show with Curtis Cameron? Kurt Cameron. And Alan Thicke. Alan Thicke, right. So that was my big moment to shine. And I had one line and it was sticky, sticky, sticky. That's all I got to say. And I was like, it was weird. Yeah, I don't know.

I think Min might have written that line for me. But I thought, wow, this is pretty unfulfilling. Just saying one line. I wanted more. So I kept going and I auditioned for a bunch of other stuff. I did another show with Barbara Eden. Got very lucky on that. That was an NBC primetime show.

It was called A Brand New Life. And I got to play Barbara Eden's daughter. Barbara Eden, of course, is I Dream of Jeannie. And so she has this amazing work ethic and she's just a pro. And she's been in this business since it began. You know what I mean? She's seen everything, done everything. And I would just sit and watch Barbara work, just like staring at her, like thinking, wow, she's so amazing.

And I learned so much about just on set etiquette, how to be a pro, how to not be a diva. And I think she really instilled a lot of other, my parents really instilled a lot of intense work ethic in me, which I'm so appreciative of. But I think Barbara did too, as far as just the business. And is the next Big Break 90210, or was there stuff in between there? There were a couple little things. I did a Disney movie. That's when they were making Disney movies. And I did, I think that was it. And then 90210 came along and it was down to two shows that were going at the same time. There was one that was like a musical, was going to be directed and produced by Kenny Ortega. That was called Whole High, I think. And then there was Beverly Hills 90210, which was going to be directed and produced by Kenny Ortega. That was called Whole High, I think. And then there was

Beverly Hills 90210, which was going to be produced by Aaron Spelling. Aaron had just come off of kind of a lull in his creative whirlwind of a career. He had done a million shows, Charlie's Angels, Fantasy Island, Love Boat, all those great, great shows of the 80s. And he wanted to venture into teen drama. And so this was the first teen drama that any network put on the air. When you auditioned, did you know that there was something special happening? Could you feel it? I knew that there was... I could feel that there was something new happening for teens, for young people.

By just the material that we were reading and the scripts that we were being given and the other actors and just their ability to bring the scripts to life in such a real and authentic way, I knew something was happening for young people that were going to be seeing it. Yeah. Did the rest of the cast feel like that? Like, was there like, I don't know, was it harmonious with the rest of the cast? Were you all on the same page? For sure. In the beginning, that first season, we were all just super excited about what was

happening. And the show wasn't an instant hit. It took a while for it to catch on. Yeah, I think it was in the third season that the show actually took off. How did they, if it took that long, how did they let it run that long in the beginning? That's a good question because that doesn't happen these days, right? Aaron greased the wheels a bit.

You get one second. I mean, Aaron Spelling certainly had a little bit of pull in the industry. And we started on a new network. It was Fox. And they had The Simpsons and Married with Children and Us. So we didn't have anybody lined up to take our spot yet because nobody knew what was going to happen with this new network, Fox. The show explored so many taboos that weren't being talked about and i'm sure there

was so young girls especially watching it and seeing you guys go through domestic abuse emotional abuse eating disorders cat fight like it was just like you just felt like there was like all these different things that you were seeing did you guys get pushback from outside forces for being so sort of taboo yeah I think the show really helped to take sort of stigma off of talking about topics that were off limits for young people to talk about which they shouldn't have been because they were topics that the young people were dealing with. So we never shied away from any kind of criticism or discouragement about talking about heavy-hitting topics because that's what the teens were dealing with. That's what all teens deal with still to this day. And if they don't have a way to talk about it or see it reflected in front of them or modeled in front of them in some way then they're going to feel really alone and lost so this show was you know that opportunity

to create a connection with that community of young people and sort of give them that platform that voice that that thing that they could relate to it's interesting to think about platform because we talk about so many things now right and i think this is not that long ago where some of these things were considered very taboo. And that's just like everyday conversations. No, it's this guy, everything. You can talk about whatever you want now. But then nobody was talking about teen pregnancy. Nobody was talking about date rape. Nobody was talking about drug addiction or all the things that the show talked about. My character in particular really was put through the ringer she was the drama one and she was you know shot um what else stalked by a lesbian lover

oh wow got in a cult um there's so many i can't remember anymore right now but addicted to diet pills addicted to drugs drugs. You also had this passionate love affair with Luke Perry, I feel like. That's what I remember. I remember a season where it was like you and Luke Perry, the whole season. That was the second season where they decided to try the

love triangle. The old love triangle. I was in the love triangle. It was Brenda and Kelly triangle it was Brenda and Kelly and Dylan and Brenda and Dylan

had broken up I just want everybody to remember that they had broken up and then Kelly and Dylan got

together but that was on the show I'm going to go in and out of what's real and what's on the show

and so Kelly got a lot of back I would say for being the one that broke up Brenda and Dylan all these years. Go to any convention, go to any fan forum out there right now. And there are heated debates about who likes Brenda and who likes Kelly. leave so deeply and like they think you are the character yes and then they can't they can't let it go and realize like hey this was just a part and then they see you in real life is that strange sometimes it is very strange because the character that the fans of beverly hills 90210 the original

show are so devoted and committed and loyal and that's why they're amazing but they are also at the same time it sometimes does feel like stuck in time. Like that's not real. Those were characters. And I was just reading the lines and doing what they told me to do. But it did translate into who liked me and who didn't like me in the real world.

So that was, and it still is that way. And that's the craziest part about it. John Stamos in his book, he writes about how he, for so long, tried so hard to step out of the Uncle Jesse role. And he said that he just did this Broadway play with the guy from Star Wars. He did it with James Earl Jones. And after someone said a Darth Vader line to him, and it's like oh okay this is just what happens he's like they all did this beautiful play

and it was like so much applause and everyone loved both of them on stage and John Stamos thought I'm gonna walk out of here and they're finally

gonna recognize me for this other role and he said he walked out to this crowd of people waiting for them and someone screamed Dark Vader

Dark sorry guys I'm Dark I'm 90210 it's a big thing in our marriage but yeah I pronounce things wrong but it's Uncle Jesse Uncle Jesse John Stamos realized at that moment that like also this huge accomplished actor was also being called his role. And it was like this, like really like a revelation for him. I mean, it's you have to accept it and embrace it. And that's what I've chosen to do instead of fight it.

Because I'm so appreciative of that person that remembers me and wants to call me Kelly Taylor. I meant something to that person at some point in their life and had an impact on them. And I'm never going to be upset when somebody makes reference to that. And like you said, loyal fans or followers of your work will follow you wherever you go and watch whatever you do or or hear whatever you have to say but they're always going to remember that first time they fell in love with you or that character that you played that had such a significant role in their life i also think it shows that you guys were or remembered for these roles that you were so good at playing the

character it shows you were such a good actress or an actor. Like that's what I told John Stamos. I was like, I mean, that's cool that people associate you. They really believed you were Uncle Jesse. When you're on set and there's all these things going on on television with all the drama and all the different things, is there stuff going on off set? Because you guys are young teenagers Like, is there dynamics or are you guys all friends and it's fine? We were, it's brothers and sisters, that kind of relationship. We were really sequestered. I like to say trapped, held captive, but that's not true.

I'm just joking. Stockholm syndrome. In a warehouse in Van Nuys, actually, where we filmed the show. And we were together all the time in a very small, confined space. Like each one had our own little basically cubicle dressing room and a hallway. And we were always together. We ate together. We did our hair and makeup together.

It was all of us all the time. And I think that in any certain situation where that happens, you're going to have ups and downs. You're going to have times when people are aligned and people aren't aligned. It's natural. So there were absolutely different levels in those 10 years of friendship and camaraderie and support for one another. There's so many people that I think admire and also glamorize what actors and actresses do. What do you think personally are some of the biggest challenges that people just may be unaware of? Because from the outside, I think a lot of people look at your profession and that's like the end all be all for many people.

What are some of the maybe challenges or things that they wouldn't know about? Are there any challenges or is it just great? Oh, no. There are challenges. I mean, I'll just speak from my own experience and for where I am right now in my life, being someone who, like we were talking about, was forever remembered as a certain role

or forever cemented into people's mind as a certain look or at a certain age. So cut to, for me, 30 some years later, I'm not 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 years old. And that's what people have me in their minds as. So for me now at 52, there is a lot of internal, I would say, struggle that happens as you age in the spotlight, as you in Hollywood, as you progress in age, especially for women. Pretty much only for women, honestly. But I am at the place where I just have to embrace where I am and continue to move forward and not get stuck in looking back at what was, but look forward at what I want to create. What do I want to do next?

What kind of like legacy do I want to leave behind for my three daughters? Because for me now, that's all it's about. I work for my daughters to give them something when I'm gone. So, you know, that's what's important to me as my girls. After you are done with 90210, is there a weird feeling? And what I mean by that is a lot of people, they get so famous and so known and it's so much and then that stops. And I feel like either a depression happens or maybe it doesn't, but it seems like you went to Mount Everest and then you got to come down. Where do you go from there?

Yeah, it's hard. I would think that'd be hard. It's like cocaine or something. It really is. You know, I work with a doctor. His name is Dr. Amen. Yeah. You probably know him. Yeah, he's the best. He scanned our brains. Oh, good. What'd you find? What didn't we find that's another episode that we talked about yeah we actually have like reverse what we won't go

reverse that's the way i was with my ex-husband sorry not to say that's gonna happen to you guys but um he had one front something happening in the front and i had something happen in the back and it's just like different brains i have a female brain and she has a male brain. Oh. I'm more slow, he's more quick. Interesting. Did you guys have slow and quick or was did he tell you like. No that was a slow and quick active and less active was. Yeah that's probably a better way to say it. I don't think he calls you slow. I'm okay to be slow. I'm the tortoise in the air. But you didn't say slow like slow processing. There are parts of your brain that are more active than others. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. He's more anxious. I'm more like go with the flow if you really want to break it down how many times you've been hitting the head yeah right go ahead so you know so dr amon so dr amon talks a

lot about the effects of fame uh the effects of fame early in Brain Development. And he talks a lot about, you know, he has very, very big clients like Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus. You don't really get any bigger than those two famous people, right? There's something that happens, like you were saying, like you're at the top. You're at the top of the peak. And then when the next thing doesn't reach that same you know altitude you don't feel like you're as good or something like it messes with your head on and and it's also like you can get and see and do everything when you're that famous and then nothing in life is exciting anymore because you've had it all you know so any new experiences you have has to like

sort of process you have to figure out a way to be really super grateful for even the tiniest things in your life it's it really is experience stretching like and michael has this great analogy about the sense of my analogy but it's a good one i feel like i talked about it like 18 she will appreciate i'll try to go really quick. It's a good one because it's kind of what she's saying. Say you and I went somewhere and then we were like sitting, you know, looking out of something like, wow, life can't get any better. This is a beautiful sunset. Then you go to the same place next year.

But instead of being on the beach or like maybe you're in a great hotel, same sunset, can't get any better. Then next time you go, you're on a boat maybe. Same sunset, can't get any better. But then you go the fourth time and you're just on the beach again, the first time. And it's like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. So the thing that used to make you the happiest is now something that makes you sad. And we're not good as humans at contextualizing, stretching the experience to the point where something that should make you happy, that would be great for most people,

is now something that actually completely derails you. Because we've stretched you you push the the ceiling too high and then it's like how do you come back and i imagine for fame when you've got the top and then even if you get a great gig but it's not the other thing right it feels like i'm failing or i feel human beings are not good at feeling like you're regressing we only feel happy a lot of the time when we feel like we're progressing right Right. We all want to keep growing and moving forward and evolving. I mean, that's the whole point of it, right? But I think that for me,

it was about finding the gratitude. And that brought the magic back to everything. Like I can sit and talk to fans of 90210 and listen to the same stories I've heard a million times about how much they love this episode or that character or whatever. And I love it. I love hearing it. And I'm so grateful for it.

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but he basically made a lot of money, did a lot of things, a lot of work, like a lot of stuff. And one day he was sitting around, he had like two big homes, one here, one in Vegas, a lot of girls playing, all this stuff. I think I know who you're talking about. Hey, Dan. Yeah, hi. And we were talking to him about it and he was like, he realized that after all the stuff and all the craziness, the happiest he was was when he was just kind of surfing on a beach with his friends without any of the stuff. And it was like this big revelation. He was like, you just keep stacking all the stuff and the accomplishments and you don't

find gratitude and fulfillment. It can become really challenging. What's the point? Yeah, that's kind of what he said. And he was like, take it. A lot of times because of who he is, the message gets lost and easy for you to say. Right.

But he was basically trying to say like, he's done all the crazy stuff and none of it is as fulfilling as just like the easy stuff that everybody already has. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that that's an interesting way to look at it. And I think we're sort of saying the same thing. Definitely. And I think it all ties back into sort of what I want to do with my next steps on this planet, what I want to do with my time and doing my brand and having the messaging of I choose me being the backbone of everything that my brand, I'm going to, you know, instilling that message in people for me is what is the why for me and making other people, other women, other men appreciate where they are and having the grace and the gratitude, the space of graciousness to allow themselves to

choose themselves because we spend a lot of time worrying about what other people think and what other people want us to do and what other people want us to look like on all the things that go around in our brains, you know? And so to really come back to the messaging of who am I and what do I want and what is going to make me happy in this moment, what's going to make me feel safe in this moment, what's going to make me feel safe in this moment, and what's going to make me feel like I'm contributing to whatever it is that I want to contribute to in this moment. And it's taking out all the other noise and all the other accomplishments and all the other houses and boats and all the things and just bringing it right back to where, to you, to choosing yourself and choosing to listen to your you know true self I feel like you had to go through a lot to get to where you are now with

this mindset it seems like and tell me if I'm wrong but if you're a young beautiful girl and you're on this huge show you you mentioned off air like not you'd feel like you don't have a seat at the table because everyone's trying to pull the strings and tell you where to air like not you'd feel like you don't have a seat at the table because everyone's trying to pull the strings and tell you where to stand and tell you what to do and tell you to look like this and tell you to wear this it's got to get to a point where you're just like shut the fuck up like and you just want to do it your way on your terms how you want to do it was that a process yeah coming off of a show, I mean, especially Beverly Hills 90210, being at that age, at those formative years of just having everything given to you or laid out

for you, like, oh, here's your drink for the day. And at two o'clock, you're going to be able to take a bathroom break. And then we're going to come back and you're going to go into makeup. Like you were literally led around all day long. And then you would go home and you'd go to sleep and you'd wake up and do it all over again. So that kind of routine really sort of sets some deep grooves into your brain. So initially just stepping out of that, literally saying, when do I go to the bathroom? Like how do I find the bathroom? You know, like when you're so young and you've been just taken care of on that level, because honestly, it's not that they wanted to take care of me. It's that they wanted to know where I was at all times and know how they could get me back on set and know that I was ready and prepared and all the

things to going out there and living life on your own and having to figure all of what who am i if i don't have all of that what what is it that i want to focus on what is that i want to do i was fortunate enough to become pregnant very early i was um 24 years old and i was able to at that point take all of the attention that I was putting on myself and all that pressure I was putting on myself and put all of that attention on another, on the baby. And I'm putting her needs first and taking care of her. So I think that I was so fortunate. And that's one of the reasons why I feel like I am so grounded and I I just I don't enjoy focusing on myself so much it really actually makes me a little crazy when I

start to get too wrapped up in me and where and what and how when I put my focus back on my kids back on my husband back on my dogs everything just sort of falls into place so it was learning that trying to learn how to do that for myself, which was tricky. I used to call my grandma when I was like 19 and I'd be like, I feel depressed. I feel depressed about ABCD. And she used to say to me, get outside yourself. And it's the best advice. It's like, stop.

It's self-indulgent. It's slightly narcissistic to just be wallowing in yourself and it does get boring you have to get outside yourself you have to get interested in other things curious it makes you feel better and that makes total sense what you're saying about your daughter it's like taking care of something else when you had your first baby at 24 are you married at this point? We were not married yet. Not married.

And how quickly did you have another baby? Well, we got married four years later. That was not my choice. I would have gotten married earlier and just done the whole nine yards right away. But my husband at the time, Peter, he wanted us to have a solid boat. And the ocean that we were sailing in was really rocky. There was a lot going on. So he needed to feel a little bit more certain.

And so we got married four years later. And I didn't have my next baby until five years later. So a year after we got married. And then what about the third? The third one was four years later after that one so they're all spread out were you in mommy mode at for a long time or were you also acting like what what did that look like yeah it's a lot of work i think about two kids and i was like okay i can stay in the diaper phase for a few more i just had to leave my daughter to come to work today she doesn't understand no no she doesn't understand they don't yet it's so hard she's like we can't play today and i'm trying to explain it when i leave i said i'm going to say that i'm gonna leave the podcast so i can buy you guys it's hard it

really is hard yeah i was fortunate enough to be able to bring my kids with me to work i didn't even ask i just did did. Made it happen, you know, set up a situation where I could bring my kids and they would be safe and quiet enough that they didn't bother anybody. And I brought in my own help to help take care of them while they, when I would have to go in and out, you know. So I got to have my kids with me a lot of the time. But it, it is hard to juggle all those things, especially as a young mom. I was very young and their dad was busy traveling a lot for different roles and movies and stuff. So it was a lot of time was just me and the girls and our Nina, who's helped me raise my daughter since they were born. And we're all very,

very close. But it takes, you have to find that team of people that can really help you keep it what you want it to be, because otherwise it will just get out of control. I have a selfish question. When you look back, and as you were working and bringing your kids, are you happy that you showed that work ethic to your kids or do you wish you took more time off? I always think about this for myself. I'm wondering. Well, I didn't, I wasn't able to like sort of design my own schedule. I kind of had to work whenever it came. Right. So they just understood that when it's time to work, mom's going to go to work and we're probably going to go with her and it's going to be a lot of fun because they have great snacks there,

you know, and there's a lot of nice people. So I was able, I was lucky in that respect, but it was, you know, I, that's the one thing when I'm with my kids, I'm a hundred percent with them when they were little, like I, I focused completely on them and making them feel like the, the top priority because that's what they are. That's what they were. That's what they always will be. Even though you're going away and working, just instilling in them that they're, I'm right there on the phone whenever you need me, like I'll stop everything the second you need me and I'll help you because that's what I'm your mom and I'm always going to do that for you. You sound like a really good mom.

Thank you. So what is happening before you launch your podcast career-wise? Like, walk us through what that looked like. I did a show called What I Like About You. Yeah, and that was huge. That was big. For me, that was a big accomplishment, because I had come from doing all of this drama on 90210 and always crying every day

at work and having that's really hard especially as a young person still trying to figure out who you are to every day be like just dive deep into like pain and for the role jealousy for the role yeah for anger all the things that Kelly Taylor had. Not crying off, but like on the camera. On camera. So as an actress, you put yourself in that mindset in order to convey that message and do that scene justice, right? I was wondering about this. So do you think of like a personal trauma to get those emotions out?

Sometimes. Yeah. I mean, certain people, everybody has their own techniques their own ways but i put myself so far into that person's frame of mind and position and situation that it it's it's it's in me it's all over me so like an essence it's hard to walk you know turn it off wake up on the wrong side of the bed and then the tears would just start falling out of me you could think about a lot of things. Sometimes you have to go to really dark places in order to tap into those emotions.

And there's sometimes when you're like, oh, it's not working. I'm not getting there. I'm not feeling it. You got to go to like dark, dark places sometimes just to get, just to do your job. That's kind of depressing. Heavy.

I mean, we had a lot of fun too. Don't get me wrong. There was pool parties and, you know. No, it's weird to think about, like, okay, today I'm going to work and I'm going to think about the worst moments in my life and cry in front of a bunch of people. And then they're going to say cut and I'm going to

sit there and think, did I do that well enough? Did they like my performance? I can do it better better can I try it one more time and then they're like no no it was good it was fine let's just move on you're like okay well then switch gears let me go take care of my baby in the trailer and play you know stack the blocks with her and have the best time ever oh Jenny we need you back on set okay let me just get back into that like I'm in the hospital I've got a stomach wound or whatever it is you know what I mean like it's a crazy world and it's an

emotional like up and down up and down up and down for years and years and years if your daughters came to you and said they wanted to do it what would you say I would say okay I would I would encourage them to do whatever they want to do and whatever they're passionate about because I think that's so important is finding something that you're passionate about. I became passionate about acting as I was doing it because I felt like I was good at it and I felt like I had that purpose and I was able to move people or touch people or get some reaction out of them in their lives like they got to shut down all the things that were bothering them in their lives and turn on that tv for an hour and check out and have an emotional you know some sort of different story happening for them for that hour so i i think just feeling that i was doing something well you know made me keep wanting to

do it but it was definitely an emotionally challenging it's an emotionally charged industry it's a it's a you know it's an art that's all about emotions so I there have been a lot of times not a lot but like several times when people have said, you're so emotional, emotional. You're, why are you so emotional? You know, do you ever, women get this sometimes. You're so emotional. Like what, you need to come from a non-emotion place about this. And I always said, you know what? I'm not emotional. I'm emotion full. Like I am full of emotions and I, and I'm not afraid of them and I'm not ashamed of them and if you have a problem with my emotions then you're probably talking to the wrong person I also

think if someone's triggered by your emotions that's their them projecting something onto you and they should look at why it triggers them absolutely I mean because emotions are just feelings yeah people based on thoughts it makes people nervous. Yeah. But if you break it down, there's nothing to be nervous about when you see someone having an emotion. That shouldn't make you uncomfortable. Next time I bite your head off, I'm going to say, these are my emotions. And if you're triggered by them, that's a you problem. It's interesting. One thing about having kids, and I'm sure you've experienced this is like young kids have not had learned the ability to hide their emotions yet and i think it's so pure because you'll see them either get scared or embarrassed or super happy or anything and it's like a pure unbridled

emotion without the guard of like all the things that we learn to do as adults and i think that's good for adults to see or it's been good for me to see yeah does that make sense you know what i'm saying here i definitely do i think you have just such a more human experience with a child because you get to see like what's happening with them real time and they're not like you said they're not putting up any guards they're not hiding anything they're not trying to mask anything they haven't learned yet no yeah i wish we never had to learn those i know i'm like when you guys are saying this i'm like i hope that my kids never like learn but it's strange to think about because i think then they do start to learn but yeah i don't want i don't want it i think you should always wear your emotions on

your sleeve i'm just gonna say it like you should you people should know where you stand they should know how you feel i should know how you feel, I don't think that we should guard ourselves from our emotions. It's weird doing this for as long as we've done it because there's all these ebbs and you've seen this of like what you can say, what you can't say, what you can respond to, what you can't respond to. But I don't think that this format is interesting in a guarded format where people where you're worried about what you show or what you say and i think the people that do well in this space are the ones that kind of throw caution to the wind and just be themselves

and it's weird because i doing this i'm always trying to like the advice i give to people is like you just you have to just go out there and be all that, but there's so much outside pressure, especially now. There really is. I mean, growing up in the business, I was taught, you know, media training. I didn't ever have proper media training, but I learned because I've been doing interviews my whole life. I learned what I could say and what I couldn't say, how I should say things. If I said something the wrong way, it was going to be misinterpreted. So I really learned how to play it safe and be very PC about things all the time. But yeah, I think I'm learning that with my own podcast now. I've just, I'm on the second episode of my podcast. It's called I Choose Me. And it's all about talking about our feelings and our choices in life.

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and they don't open up and they don't tell the truth, I'm telling you the audience will DM me and they don't like up and they don't tell the truth i'm telling you the audience will dm me and they don't like it no one likes that anymore they like when people come on and are real that those are the episodes that do the best it's it's when people are just who they are it's not that they don't like it i just think that they're savvy enough now they'll turn it off to know when someone's holding back. I'm sure all the publicists that book people on the show are going to be like,

they're not going to like me saying this, but I always tell them, if you come in with a bunch of edits and this and that, it's just not going to land as well as it would as if you just have someone just come and be themselves. And of course, we're not in the business of making people look bad. That's what I'm trying to do. but i just think be more open and role and vulnerable you'll be surprised like people already like the people but i think it's another layer of like wow i didn't realize that i actually relate to the person as well i'm excited for you to do this show i think this new podcast i think that it's like a whole new frontier for you it's it's so it's it's all about you just being who you are and not having someone pull

any strings. I think it's going to be cool. It's cool. My husband, Dave, has been really supportive and encouraging of me doing that. He's not in the industry. He does commercials sometimes if he gets the chance and he loves it. But he's always been like, you're so funny. You're so real. Like you need to let everybody see that about you because the way I know you is how I want everyone else to know you. So now to have that freedom from my partner saying, it's okay, go out there and rock it. Go out there and shine. Do you. I'm not going to be embarrassed by anything you say. I'm not going to be mad by anything you say because it's the truth. Like it's your truth.

And so it's just a, it's a good feeling to have that support behind me, encouraging me, you know, to go there and let my real self come out. And you also have, you've done your podcast, you said your other podcast for five years, which is a really long time. So you're probably incredibly comfortable on a mic. And I mean, that was probably amazing training for this next chapter. Yeah, that was good.

When we started on, I do it with Tori Spelling and also with iHeart. And when we started on that, they were like, literally like, here's a mic. Okay, we're rolling. And I had no idea what I was doing. Podcasting is an art form. There is, you know, there's skill involved

and you have to know how to structure the conversation, where you want it to go, how you want it to end, all the things. Like, I knew nothing. I was literally like, okay, I'll just talk here, you know. And so it took me a good probably year of OMG to feel comfortable being on a show. And because that when we have also our co-host Amy Sugarman does it with us because she's a super fan of Beverly Hills 90210. So she joins us and gives us that real fan input that we love. It's much different having a three-hander than it is having your own podcast where you're the sole speaker and it's all about what you're saying. So I've

learned so much and I feel like I'm still going to learn so much more on I Choose Me, the podcast. So I'm just really excited for it. I'm excited for you. It's also different being interviewed versus being the interviewer. So different. Right? I have a really important question. Have you seen Candy Spelling's gift wrapping room?

No. You've never seen it? No. Have you ever gotten a gift that's been wrapped in the gift wrapping room maybe okay because i had josh flag came on here who's really good friends with her and i had to dissect that room i find that to be one of the more interesting things i've ever heard a gift wrapping room is like a it's intense wouldn't you want one if you could have one like oh yes it might be like four out of his office no that's not it's down there mine's like top three i would ruin your office for the gift

wrapping girl you i feel like you need to go see that gift wrapping room is it does it still a thing i don't even know i was never invited into the gift wrapping room imagine just going through your house like oh what's this room you know could really use a gift wrapping room. Imagine just going through your house like, oh, what's this room? You know, could really use a gift wrapping room. Put that one there. I think it's genius. It's so nice. It's like having a Nordstrom's gift wrapping thing in your house.

I think it's pretty cool. I had to ask if you've ever seen it. Do you actually know how to wrap a gift? No. Okay. What? Okay, come on. No.

I have like a gift wrapping section in the back of one of my closets. So anytime you have to wrap a present, you gotta like dig out the things and find the scissors. It's not fun. I'm a fan of those sacks where you just pull the thing around and just throw it in there. Easy. And you and Tori Spelling are really, it seems like really actually like very good friends. We've known each other a long time. That's cool. That's cool that you guys have like have all this history and now you can do a show and like you're actually friends yeah we get it's

fun because we get to relive those moments as adults and also just you know watching the show back now as a grown woman and seeing a how wow that was awesome like you have a whole new appreciation for it. And for me as a young girl, like, what I used to look like or how I used to, you know, carry myself, like, all the things that I get to see by watching it. But also just, like, I never watched the show. I only did my parts on the show. So now when I'm sitting down for an hour, which I never did, I'm watching the show and I'm like,

ooh, what's Steve doing? Ooh, Gabrielle, Andrea, you know, like I'm seeing all the storylines happening. And it's just such a different perspective. Like I'm a fan now of the show. If you were watching the show, who was your crush on the show? Mine was a mixture between Brandon and Luke. I mean, yeah, Brandon and Dylan. I still, to this day, would not be able to pick between Brandon and Luke. I mean, yeah, Brandon and Dylan. I still, to this day, would not be able to pick between Brandon and Dylan. Yeah, it was tough. That was tough for me too

because Brandon had the wave, but Dylan had the Johnny Depp look. I think I would have picked Dylan. Yeah, he's too bad boy. He's a bad boy. Everybody wants some bad boy. Yeah, he's bad. The leather jacket.

It's good. No, but if he... Taylor, go get my leather jacket right now. It's in my office. James Dean. No, but I mean, imagine yourself standing in front of the two of them being forced to pick. Do you pick Brandon or do you pick Dylan? What would you say in that moment? And I think Kelly was pretty, well, the writer, Jessica Klein, was pretty genius to have her say, I choose me.

I'm going to go with the safe bet here. I'm going to go with me. That's full circle for you with what you're doing. I mean, the whole I choose me movement and the brand and everything that I'm trying to do with this, it all started in 1995 on season five of, no, three. I can't remember, season five of the show how many seasons did it go in total 10 wow but it was because it's all because kelly said i choose me and what an impact

that had on me as a young adult and now what an impact that has on me as a grown woman hearing from other women that i encounter that say i grew up watching you and when your character said i choose me in that one moment, it changed everything for me. And I realized that I have a voice and I get to have my opinion in any situation. And by the way, both the guys will like you more. At the end of the day, it drove them nuts. They can't take it. That's all you have to do to get the guy, you guys, is you just say, I choose me. I'm going to go do what I want. You guys figure it out.

That's solid advice right there. Well, that's all you have to do to get the guy, you guys, is you just say, I choose me. I'm going to go do what I want. You guys figure it out. Yeah. That's solid advice right there. You have been around all kinds of child actresses. You've seen everyone grow up on your show. You worked with Amanda Bynes. You've seen it all. If someone who's listening wants to get into acting or they want to get their child into acting, what are things that you would caution?

What are tips that you would caution what are tips that you would say there's a fine line between being like a momager and a hands-on mom you know if I were to do it I would never ever let anyone take my child away from me on a set to go into a room to rehearse nothing I would always be with my kid no matter what. And that doesn't mean I'm overbearing or I'm putting my opinion in where it isn't wanted or needed. I'm just going to be there. I'm going to be like a fly on the wall and I'm going to be there just to take care of my child. And nothing anybody would ever tell me would make me say, oh, okay, I guess you're right. I'll stay out here while you guys do that. It really is almost that simple, what you just said.

It is. It's having eyes on the situation the whole time. Yeah. And I think a lot of times the industry, the powers that be will make a parent feel like, you need to go sit over there with the other parents over there in the dark on that folding chair and just read your book while we do our work. And I wouldn't take it that way. Seeing what I've seen, knowing what I know, and it's not always that way. I think you've done a really beautiful job of evolving and how you are as a mother. And I think you should be really proud of yourself. What does this chapter

look like for you? I feel like you're stepping into your entrepreneur era. Tell us about that. Definitely. Just having the self-confidence for me and the courage to step out of what people expect from me and want from me into doing something that I want for myself and that I want for my future and my kids has been the biggest challenge that I've ever done because I do have a lot of what everybody has, which is those thoughts that I'm not good enough. Why should I be doing that? Oh, look at everybody else out there with their companies and their beautiful things and their podcasts. They're doing it and they're doing it so great. Like I'll just stay over here. I'm fine, you know, but I had to work past that because I had to think I deserve, I've lived so much life and learned so much. And I have the kind of personality that I want to share that with people. And my parents were both teachers. So I think it's

just in my genetic DNA to want to teach and help people to learn and grow to their full capacity, because that's how I see every situation at its full capacity. And every person that I encounter, like what's the full capacity of this person that I'm talking to? So for me to be able to move into now, you know, it's not like I'm not an actress anymore. I love acting. It's just, I couldn't control when I was going to get to do that anymore, when I was going to get to pay my bills with that career. So I had to pivot and I'm pivoting to something that actually gives me purpose and it makes me feel good about what I'm doing instead of feeling like a pawn in somebody

else's chess game, you know? It's probably very liberating. And you mentioned QVC. Can you tell us about that? Yeah. That's big. It's wild. So in 2020, I think, 20, 2019, we started a company called the BFF Collection for QVC. It was at the time was Tori Spelling, my best friend and me, started this company, Home Decor and Beautiful Christmas Collection. And it's been through my working experience with QVC that I've made a lot of relationships with them and, you know, feel very comfortable. I want to tell you the QVC family is a family you want to be a part of. It is so cool what they're doing and they shoot everything over in Pennsylvania. And it's just a really tight-knit

family. And so going there to do my on-air and experiencing that feeling and everybody's so joyous and loves what they're doing and they love their customer and it's a family of the hosts and the customers. It's all this big world, you know. And so just kind of getting into that initially with BFF made me sort of think, I really like this because I feel like I'm talking to my people when I'm talking to the people that are buying the products or wanting to know more about it, you know, because that's where I come from. And so now being able to be a part of it and now they've asked me to develop my own apparel

line and I've been doing that for the last year just designing monthly collections that are going to drop starting in July end of July it's called me by Jenny Garth and I've been doing it actually with my daughter which has been so fun because I didn't you know what's the point of doing something alone when you have this amazing creative influence right here. You know, my daughters are, they inspire me on the daily to do better and be better. So bringing my daughters into all of my jobs whenever I can, I do that. But my daughter Lola has been helping me with the design and just everything. We're doing the creative control over the whole thing. So it's been very rewarding. And also it feels good because I don't feel like I am just selling people, you know, when I talk about the apparel line, I don't feel like I'm

just selling them a shirt or a pants or whatever. I'm selling them the confidence to wear that. And I want them to feel like they're enough inside that outfit. And I just, that's what's important to me is what's behind it all. And it's about helping people choose themselves and feel good in their own skin and feel confident because that's what we all want. That's what I want. I can't wait to see it. I need to wear something when it comes out. You guys have to tell me. These are my pants. Look, these are our pants. I should say. Really cute. Yes. Really cute. You know what? I would wear those too.

I feel like if I wore those, I'd wear them with like a white t-shirt. You can, I feel like you can make it casual. And I like how you're wearing blue on blue. I'm all blue today, but they're really comfortable. Where can everyone find the pants you're wearing? Where can they shop? Where can they find the podcast? Pimp your little bag.

Oh my God. Okay. I'm so bad at this. Okay. So the line is on qvc.com of course we have uh me by jennygarth social our instagram is me by jennygarth we have the qvc platform of course and then the podcast is I choose me and it's by I heart so you can hear it wherever you hear your podcasts I'm just really enjoying like sort of,

for me, it feels like I'm leveling up a little bit. Like I'm, you know, I'm taking that next step in my life and it feels really exciting and really scary, but I'm doing it. Thank you so much for coming on, Jenny. I love that episode. Thank you, Jenny. That was fun.