The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Jillian Michaels & Justin Anderson - A Roundtable Discussion on High Performance & Building A Meaningful Career

Episode Date: March 12, 2019

#175: On this episode we are going roundtable style with two of our favorite people and guests. Jillian Michaels and Justin Anderson join us today and as always, they both over deliver. On this episode we discuss how to find success in a crowded world, what it takes to stand out, how to live life on your terms, how to stop yourself from burning out, and how to scale your brand. To connect with Jillian Michaels click HERE To connect with Justin Anderson click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by ROTHY'S. Rothy’s shoes are stylish, sustainable, and comfortable enough for every day wear, anywhere. Rothy's will blow your mind that they’re made from recycled plastic water bottles, because they’re the softest shoe you’ll put on your feet. You can feel good about wearing them.To try ROTHY's go to ROTHYS.COM and enter PROMO code "SKINNY" at checkout This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you’ll ever wear to work.  Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Him and her. Aha! hustling my own stuff. You know, it's like, and that's how I got to be where I'm at. And I feel like social media really messes up a lot of people and really makeup artists and hairdressers. Cause they see these people who have these big followings, they do all these celebrities and they're like, I want to go into it to do the celebrities and they want to bypass like all the stuff. Yeah. They want to jump right to it. It's Tuesday. We're live. We're here. And we have a round table podcast for you guys with two of our favorites Jillian Michaels and Justin Anderson it doesn't get better than this does it Michael it does not you know what I found out I was I realized I was looking back I was like how many times has Jillian been on the show this is her third time I don't know if there's been any other guests

on this show that's been on more times um and obviously this is Justin's second time. And if it's not so obvious to listeners to go back and listen to other episodes that they were on, Jillian first made her appearance on episode 95. Then Justin came on on episode 136. And then Jillian came back on 138. And now again on this one, which I think is like 175.

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500 big ones. We're going to get right into this episode because it's so fucking funny and so fucking good that we got to go. And if you have kids in the car, probably not the one to listen to. Hold on. If you have kids in the car, any of our shows, you're going to listen. And maybe you got a question like, is this the environment you want to be raising your kids in?

And listen, for me, I think that Lauren and I provide a lot of insight for young kids, young children. But with the society standards, I know that we are probably not the place where parents point to as the if-so-facto authority on good parenting. Here's a hot tip though, Michael. For our kid, I already know exactly what I'm going to do. So I'm going to get pink noise-ing headphones or earplugs, and I'm just going to put them in the kid's ear when I drive around because I find that's really efficient. Is that abuse? I'm really going to do that.

We really know a lot about parenting, don't we? No, I don't. All right, guys, let's get right into this episode with Justin Anderson and Jillian Michaels. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Fuck it, rhinoceros. I love, Jillian has a one track fucking mind. It's my favorite thing in the world. She can think about a million things, but one thing was over.

No, just obsessive compulsive. We're going to have a hell of a time wrangling this show in today. Back in the studio, Jillian Michaels, Justin Anderson, Michael Bos michael boswick whatever it's jillian we uh what's going on what's going on oh my god so i want to say two years ago my my baby mama and i split up we announced it a year ago but you know it takes time to like go through the courts and get all that stuff done so we officially filed to dissolve our domestic partnership and for some reason it's like become a story again i have no idea why

and these tabloids are so out of control they're like calling people that heidi went to high school with my ex and so jay walks in justin walks in and we're old friends, and of course, yes, he also does my hair, and he's like, girl, I got this email. Girl. You should read, you gotta read the email. Girl. Girl. No, so she reaches out to me yesterday, and she basically says, if you'll give me any dirt about Heidi's and Jillian's divorce,

we'll plug your hair product, DP Hugh, however you want. Well, that, of course, well, yeah, so I'm like playing with it. I'm like, wait, how big of a publication is this is my friendship worth it um no so it's just it's hilarious but even with like all the celebrities that i work with you know it's just funny that it's like this has happened to me before with jillian like people have reached out asking about the divorce when it very first started happening is there anything you can say about it like is it going down and i'm like who the fuck do you think i am? And you guys are on, you and Heidi are on good terms.

We are on great terms. We share a lizard. The lizard goes back and forth. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You share a lizard. Draw the line at lizard. Spike, my son had to have a fucking bearded dragon. Their house is a zoo.

I like how you, that's the first thing you mentioned, that you share a lizard. That's co-parenting and it's funny. Forget the kids. It's like, normally the nanny travels with the kids, maybe the dog, but with us,

it's the kids and the lizard. How big is the lizard? He's only three inches, but it gets to be, it could be like a several feet, this little fucker. Okay, but what is it about the lizard that you feel you need to see once a week?

I just thought, no, it travels with the kids. Oh, so the kids want the lizard. The kids and the lizard go back and forth between homes and it's like, you know, one day I'm like, no, it travels with the kids. Oh, so the kids want the lizard. The kids and the lizard go back and forth between homes. And it's like, you know, one day I'm like, hey, by the way, you know, you're going to need a terrarium. And she's just like, all right, you know, she's down. She's chill.

Like, we get along great. We aren't the best couple after a really long time, but we're good friends. So, anyway, I was like, Justin, could you send me that email? So I threw it up on Instagram I promoted his loving that allow me please to promote the DP Hugh product if you don't mind Yeah, so I was like everybody my dear friend forwarded this to me and Katie Bruno, you know eat a dick

Whoever wants to see the email it's up on her Instagram Bruno, you know, eat a dick. A bag of dicks. You fucking scumbag. Whoever wants to see the email, it's up on her Instagram. Yeah, go. Adelaide Michaels. You sound like a publicist's dream to work with. How can you maintain being cordial after you get a divorce? Do you have any tips for anyone? It's how you break up in reality. And also, I think, like, look, we actually, there is no dirt.

We didn't cheat on each other we just nine years in just grew apart so did you wake up and look at each other and just say one day or was it like over time? I want to know I want to know how you can be friends do I have something to worry about here?

wait what is it like first marry for money second marry for love then marry for companionship? So you're my first. Oh! I'm just kidding. No, I actually want to know how someone can get divorced and still be on the same terms, because that's usually gnarly. I think it's how you split is really it.

And like, neither one of us cheated. It was coming for years. You saw it. And also, it's like you split is really it. And neither one of us cheated. It was coming for years. You saw it. And also, it's the combination of the people. Jillian's a really strong personality. And then if you met Heidi, Heidi's a lot like my boyfriend, actually. And over the years, Jillian and I have known each other for years. Years, yeah.

And over the years, I noticed that Jill and I are a lot more alike. A lot more alike. And as I've grown up with Jill, I've realized we are. And my boyfriend's a lot like like as i've kind of like grown up with jill like i've realized we are and i'm dating my boyfriend's a lot like heidi you know so hot that jawline well wait can you like tell us about your boyfriend because we decided we were gonna just rip the band-aid off and go right into relationships with you guys uh we decided that just now i've been with my boyfriend for about it's almost been five years now a long time yeah a long time. Yeah, it's been a long time. And he's just the best guy ever.

We're such a good match. Jillian and I actually met. So Jill used to be on The Biggest Loser, obviously, with Bob Harper, who was the other trainer on the show. And Bob and I used to date. So that's how we met. Bob introduced us. Jill and I hit it off.

I, in that divorce, I got Justin. I forgot that you used to date Bob. Yeah, so that's how we very first met. And then Bob always had like a jealousy of how much i loved because you and bob had your shit for years we did we were had a weird like they were like up and down like brothers and sisters sometimes they were best friends sometimes they hated each other but i jillian and i always stayed really consistent i would always be like when we were in new zealand for the biggest loser i wanted to go to dinner with jill and heidi every. And Bob was like, no, like, why are you so obsessed with Jill? Like, whatever. So when Bob and I broke

up, Jill and I kept our relationship going. But I think now I figured out that it's just because Jill and I are a lot more alike. How so? Like, give us specifics. I think it's like the intensity for Work the Drive to be successful. I think that when you start to talk to Jill and you get like underneath her, her tough shell, like Jill, like she is, she's so sweet and she wants to go in really deep with relationships. And like, that's my favorite thing. I never want like a surface friend. And even if Jill and I don't see each other for months, like the minute we see each other, we'll go in deep. And like, I just love friends like that. Um, we use you as an example all the time. Expect a lot from me, from both of you too. Lauren and I both use you as an example all the time, actually. Your clients both expect a lot from both of you, too.

Lauren and I both use you as an example. You're one of the nicest, most down-to-earth people we've ever met. I swear to God. That's not true. No, it's true. Until something bad happens. But it's like, no, but the thing is, she's real. Like, you know what you're going to get with Jill.

There's no bullshit. And that's how you are. Same. And I love those kind of people. Which is how you are. You both are all, I think everyone in this room is like that. Very authentic. We asked two of our favorite podcast guests back for a reason.

Here we are. I was actually, when we had you on the podcast the first time, blown away. Like, at how down to earth you were. Were you? Because we've only seen, you know, we grew up only just seeing your celebrity personality. Like, you know, your persona that's put out to the world. So we never, you know, we didn't have the interaction fighting that forever i feel you get to see people i think in a different position because they're in like your chair

which is it's it's a different relationship i think than when they come on a podcast oh yeah for sure and it gets it gets really real in my chair you know the conversations like and i don't know for me like i've just never been one of those people that's interested in those surface conversations, like I was saying. So I immediately will relate to someone who wants to get in really, really deep and talk about serious things. And that's what I love about Jill. She gets really, really real. She doesn't hide anything. I think that we're in this world where everyone sugarcoats everything and tries to put out this version of what they want people to think they are.

And I think about my client roster, and we'll talk about celebrities because everyone loves like a celebrity give us give us a juice no i feel like if you look i'm the least famous shut up the one that everyone talks about it's funny like out of my roster there's certain people that really have like kristin cavallari has a people are obsessed with her jillian michaels people are obsessed with her chelsea handler yeah people are obsessed with her. Chelsea Handler. Yeah, Chelsea Handler. Jennifer Aniston, Miley Cyrus. Jennifer who? Right? Who the fuck is that? Charlize Theron, Gwyneth Paltrow, Margot Robbie. Those are my clients. So I have like a badass

group of like women. I've never heard of those girls. But my thing is, is like I really feel like you would trap. When did we get Margot Robbie, by the way, and how did you not tell me the minute that happened? I've been with Margot for a while. I got her right before the Oscars last year. Jesus, Justin. She would be a hot date. She's stunning.

Fire. That girl. And she's fucking rad. Again, it goes back to that thing like, she's just cool. So I feel like you attract a certain type of a person. Really, really real. You know, I think about like a Miley Cyrus compared to Taylor Swift. I don't know why I'm comparing Taylor and Miley.

Miley, will you scratch that? Don't talk to me about it. Take that out of there. You're a Swiftie, so I can't believe you said that. I love Taylor Swift music. They actually canceled dinner on me and was like, I'm so sorry, but I've just come into Taylor Swift tickets. And I was like, Justin, is this a joke?

Who do you like better, Taylor or Britney? You like Britney better. Oh, I love Britney. I mean, I'm the biggest Britney fan in the world. How do we get, I asked you this before and you said no, but how do we get Britney in your chair? I don't want Britney in my chair. He doesn't want to do it. I'm pulling that out there right now. It's not going to be good. I mean, it's never going to be pretty. It's never going to be my work.

She's going to sit in the chair and she'll give me five minutes to do her blonde hair, so it's going to look like shit no matter what. I mean, if you just look at her, it's like her makeup's always half done. She has like half her eyelashes on. You can tell that like when she's getting her makeup and hair done, she jumps out of the chair like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. And I've heard that. And so it's like, I don't want to try and do her. If I did her hair, I would want to make it beautiful.

And I just would never get that opportunity. We could like drug her. Yeah. I mean, if I could do it in her sleep. Yeah. But I feel like I would be let down. I think that she would be so nice and so sweet. I'm not saying anything about that.

She's sick of people tugging at her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's Jill. You get it too. It's like, I feel like you get to a certain level when you have a certain clientele, people will come to me thinking I'm going to be this fucking magician, right? So they're coming to me like broken, destroyed hair. And they think, oh, he does Jennifer Aniston's hair. He's going to

fix my hair in one appointment. It's like, no, it takes months. It'd be the same thing with Jill. It's like some overweight person comes to Jill and it's like, she's the best trainer on earth. She's going to make me skinny in a week. You know, it's just like people's expectations when you're this celebrity trainer, celebrity hair person. So I think Brittany would let me down. How are you guys both? I know we've talked about this a little bit with you, but how are you guys scaling? You're, you're, you're known as a celebrity hairstylist. How are you going to scale that? Like for instance, are you always going to be doing hair? Is it something that you're not come to terms with that yet? I've had this. No, I've been wanting to talk to him about this.

And I like I want to know, like, what the plan is. Yeah, me too. Because I literally was like, sweetheart, like you're you're getting too busy. Like, I remember the day. He's like famous. He's his own celebrity. Yeah. When you can no longer, like, take a client like it.

You you just can't. So what did you do? You know what happened? This happens with tattoo artists. You do it for charity. Really? You don't. So what did you do? You know what happens? This happens with tattoo artists too. You do it for charity. Really? So you don't take any clients on? No, like really? How? What about the lizard?

You have Spike. And he does like binge eat crickets to the point that I am a little worried. A bastard ate like 50 crickets in two days. Michael eats crickets too. he eats these cricket bars i'm like please no well i was trying that for a while it ended up being kind of a mess like there's cricket then but the thing yeah it's cricket protein it's actually good i've heard that

actually you know it's supposed to save the world the same thing happened with my tattoo artist dr woo he's you know he blew up on instagram he used to be over here at shamrock and he just like blew the fuck i actually just heard about this guy i heard he was amazing he has amazing he's the best but he blew up on instagram he's got a couple million followers and so what happened is every like miley got tattooed by him like actually the girl from game of thrones a calise just got so he's getting like that type of clientele what happens is you can't get in he's now over at the roosevelt a place so what did you so what did you do when you realized you had to make that transition he couldn't scale because he couldn't just keep taking class he's got to figure out like what his next transit he's going into fashion i think you have to put the message

out on a bigger platform so it's like it's a book yeah it's an app it's a dvd it's a set of hair products like you he's like i'm on hsn i'm on this i'm on that i'm here i'm there like he did vine years ago when vine was a thing like and it's scaling scaling it, you know, and you, you do kind of get away from, there was a, the other day I did this speaking engagement and there were like a couple thousand people there and I was happy, right. For the first time in a long time, cause you have that direct connection with people you're, you're trying to work with. And then, you know, two hours before that, I was having a fight with two billionaires over a decision regarding fucking organic coffee. And these assholes are in the midst of a pissing match and i was like how

the fuck did i get so far afield and you know you it's just that's that becomes part of it and he struggles with the business part of it because he'll like at his boyfriend's birthday like almost a year ago now he was just like oh my god i'm like i'm so depleted with the business side of the business i this this is what i'll say as a creator i've realized after nine years of blogging seven days a week that i have to step up and scale my business and launch a product or you know books but i will say bigger you you are both michael's a little more um i don't know the difference but we're creatives we're creatives. We're creatives and artists. I mean, the training is artistic too. And to have to break up with that, it's like a romance ending.

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started doing and then it's it's it's a big transition he hasn't he just can't get it's it's hard to break up with what you initially started doing and it's it's it's a big transition he hasn't he just can't get it's coming recently my my business partner with dp who we came together and she was like you know you've got to stop doing so much hair because i was still doing salon days where i do like 15 plus people in a day then i would go into meetings at the end of the day it's like i'm doing podcasts we have all of our products in ulta beauty sephora you know instagram live too all the instagram lives and all kinds of so i was worn the fuck out i was It's like I'm doing podcasts. We have all of our products in Ulta Beauty, Sephora. You know, we're HSN. Instagram Live, too. All the Instagram Lives and all that kind of stuff. So I was worn the fuck out.

I was working seven days a week. I really have, like, no friends anymore. Like, my family lives here in LA. I don't see anyone. Unless you're literally, like, my boyfriend who lives with me or my sister who I literally had to move into the apartment next door so we could spend more time together. And she works with me. I wasn't seeing anyone.

And I was just depressed and unhappy. And but like you said, like, I love doing hair. It makes me really, really happy. So just recently, I kind of cut off the salon business. So told all of my, you know, unfortunately, everyday salon clients that I wasn't really doing hair in the salon anymore. And people said the shittiest things to me. You know, it's like people who had done their hair for years were like, congratulations.

You've always wanted this. You've wanted to build this business. But then some people were like, who do you think you are? Karma is going to me you know it's like people who had done their hair for years were like congratulations you've always wanted this you've wanted to build this business but then some people were like who do you think you are karma is going to get you like oh you're only going to work with certain celebrities now and that was my biggest fear because at the end of the day Jillian knows me like really deep you know it's like I think I have an alcoholic dad so there's lots of like codependency issues right so it's like when people are upset with me or people get mad at me it hurts so bad and I think if people see me from the outside they're like oh this oh, this guy, you know, works with these major celebrities, has a hot boyfriend, he's in Hollywood, all this kind of stuff. He has, he's tough, but like, I'm sensitive.

So it's like doing that breakup with those clients and letting go of that part of my life was really freaking hard on me. So then to get some of that pushback from certain people, like it broke my heart. Like for the past few days, I've just been like obsessing over like these three particular emails that I got that were just like, who do you do you think you are you know and karma is going to get you rather than just like realizing it's like this is the direction i need to go with now with the business you know things are changing i would love to just be at a fucking chair doing hair all day long that's my passion you know but it's like i also know that i want a lot out of life i like it's not sustainable yeah it's not sustainable well and if you don't evolve, you'll end up actually turning your passion to something

you resent. Yeah. Yeah. And doing it day after day after day, you sometimes do end up resenting it. So you have to be careful. How did you do that with training? Like, did you one day just say, I'm not doing this anymore? Or was it a slow thing?

And was it sort of a tug of war? It became impossible because it was like, okay, when I ended up on Biggest Loser, you're shooting. There's nothing. You are not available. And so, you know, I would. And what I've always done, like, because I'll still get calls from like a Julia Roberts, a Pink, a Maria Shriver. And it's like, even Kelly Ripa. Like, I was just doing Kelly and Ryan in New York.

And she's like, you would have always been my trainer. I'd love to work out with you. And it's like, I would have so much fun training Kelly Ripa. When the fuck am I going to doing Kelly and Ryan in New York. And she's like, I would, you would have always been my trainer. I'd love to work out with you. And it's like, I don't have so much fun training Kelly Ripper. When the fuck am I going to train Kelly Ripper? So I was like, look, if you're ever in LA, like we could work out together or I would set her up with somebody in New York. And so what I would do is get, get the clients like set up with somebody else. So like I gave Julia a trainer named Andy.

I gave Pink a trainer named Jeanette Jenkins. And I started them out, got them set up, made the intro, supervised the transition, and then they became fast friends with those individuals. So it was like, it was a nice, smooth transition. Like I didn't just step out. But being a trainer is different because that's, you're going back like day after day or multiple times a week. So for me with the hair, you know, it's like, I still do Jennifer Anderson, Charlize Theron, all, all these girls, you know? And, um, because I only see him like every six weeks tonight, I'm going, I'm seeing Miley Cyrus like late tonight. You know, it's like, I have a full day of my work stuff, but then I'll see

Miley tonight. And those things, those relationships for me do help my brand. You know, it helps me spread awareness, helps me keep credibility know it's like I do always want to be known as a hair colorist and uh you know an expert in my field the more like products that I create and stuff but I just don't have the time to do salon days I mean who's your who's your mentor babe or like who's the one you want to model your business off like a Jose or no I mean like a kid like John Frieda. Is John Frieda doing fucking hair? No, they stopped a long time ago.

That's what I'm saying. And for years, I've been like, sweetheart, you and I have had this conversation. I'm like, Jay, I know the day is going to come. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, it's okay. Like, I keep trying to tell you. But the same thing happens in every industry, right? Like say like, even if you relate it to a company, right? Like at the beginning, you hire a couple of people

and they have instant access to whoever's at the top. And as that business scales, like you bring more and more people and it's like impossible to give everything individual attention. There's no way to grow. You have the same problem I have. I relate to so much. I feel guilt. It's guilt that you're feeling because I, where I relate to him is i feel like him and i are people pleasers and we want and we want everyone to feel comfortable and we want everyone to have good energy and good vibes and we want to please everyone and and when that doesn't happen it's guilt but that guilt ends up helping he's like he doesn't care so true they're more similar you're enabling that person totally to. I hate that about myself.

That's like the one thing I wish I didn't have that. You are responsible for my happiness, which is absurd. It's not doing them any favors either, sweetheart. Like, it just doesn't. There's a way, like, I would say, you know, you would have middle management in your company, right? And you would say, so-and-so is going to handle this. You're in great hands, right?

He would have his proteges underneath him. And it's like, okay, so-and-so is gonna handle this you're in great hands right he would have his protégés underneath him and it's like okay so-and-so's and sometimes look jay in all transparency some of them were not as good as you so you know you might lose a few people to a different individual with that said like who fucking cares right that's so hard it's also i think hard too when you're so used to being such a perfectionist and liking things the way you like it to delegate that's been so hard for me to delegate when it's not the way i want it so many starving artists right this is like cool because you can't get on your soapbox you can be the most perfectionist person but if you if you're the

bottleneck of that process there's no way to scale you have to give a little bit of the control in order to if you want to scale, you don't have to. Like you could just be somebody that's, hey, I'm doing this. I'm doing, you know, tattoo artists. I'm the only one that's going to do this. I'm the only one that's going to do this. But if you want to scale something, you have to release some of that control and give some other people some room to succeed and empower your business and grow your business with you. Or else it's impossible.

For sure. And you can't micro – I've made that mistake of like you micromanage them. But then while you're micromanaging, you're not overseeing X, Y, and Z, which falls apart. And then if you don't check in at all, cause you're like, oh, they got this. I trust that person. Then it's going to go off the fucking rails regardless. Cause they might not share your vision. So it's like just the right amount of like licking everything in the fridge.

You know what I mean? Like you don't have to eat it all. You got to lick everything in the fridge. So it's got your stamp. But've got to lick everything in the fridge. But not the coffee if it's not organic. You just kind of point it in the direction you want and give it a little nudge. There it is. And trust everyone else to execute on it. That's exactly right.

But you have to be the person driving the direction and creating that first nudge. Yes. And just periodically check in on it. Where are we at with this? Have we hit this benchmark? Okay, no. Shift over a bit this way. How involved are you in your business day to day like are you are you do you wake up in the morning and go down your to-do list or are you more free now to sort of

move how you want to move because things are happening no i i have to free is not the word yeah constantly like check in on X, Y, Z. Nothing for you about it. Like, the calendar invite yesterday, I was like, oh, my God, I probably gave her so much anxiety that it said 10.30 to 2. You're probably like, oh, my God. I was like, wait. That's five hours of podcasting. No, it was wrong.

It was wrong. I was like, hold on. I was like, wait, wait a second. What the fuck are we going to talk about? Well, we could talk for four hours but we won't but like I have a lunch with my VP and to

do our like okay let's go through you know what's the brand book going to look like Q1 through this time you know this period of the year blah blah blah and I need you to look at the messaging on XY the same thing we're talking about so she'll like queue it all up and then I can go like yeah no no, I don't like that. No, I like this.

Yes, I like that. You refine. Yeah. You refine it. Whether it's clothes. We just did some deal for handheld stuff with this company called iWorld, and they sent it through, and it was a pink and a blue, and I was like, eh. You're not a pink and a blue person.

I'm not a pink and a blue person, right? I was like, personally i'm not so i was like what else can we give me like a like a purple silver like neon yellow green like give me something else and like so she's done the work but then i just like tweak the color palette totally more along the lines of and we already agreed on the product so it's just just a little tweak checking in exactly get exactly what Michael said. Like, get it on the road. You jumpstart that battery. Give the car a little push. Michael's so good at that, too.

If you want to scale that way. Right? Like, some people don't want to. Some people are like, listen, I just want to be a one-person show. I just want to do this thing. It depends what you want to do. But for what you're trying to do, you've got to scale. You're not going to have an option. You know what you both do really well that I want you both to speak on is that, yes,

you guys are both scaling your business and building your business, but you guys also have accessibility through Instagram stories. You're both an Instagram live. I was talking to you about that earlier. So it still feels like there's this personalization to both of your brands. Is there a strategy on your stories? Because both of your stories and your lives. His stories inspired me to start storying.

I never storied until Justin storied. I don't watch anyone's stories besides very few people. And your stories are fucking hilarious. I don't either. And I watch Jillian's because Jillian's are hilarious. And I feel like it's her personality now. And for me, what I've always wanted to do with it. The prick at his yoga class. You've seen that, right? I haven't seen the you've seen that right the one that always takes his spot in hot yoga no i haven't

seen that one it was like an ongoing story for the longest time kevin who stole my fucking spot and yoga would always steal his spot so he'd like show up i'd show up for like 4 30 in the morning does the prick watch his stories i don't know he did because now he backed off he doesn't take my spot i would cry like i would wake up every morning to see, like, if Jesse got his spot. Because Jillian could relate. It's a competitive thing. Like, I'm so fucking competitive secretly. Well, maybe not secretly.

I don't think it's that secret. But I'm so competitive. But it's like he would start taking my spot that I like the hottest spot in the hot yoga room. So I would start going, like, an hour before the gym even opened. I was there, like, 4.30 in the morning just sitting out front. Yeah, heavens. Yeah, and I would go in and I'd set up my spot. And I'd see him walk in.

He'd look at me. It was just like this whole ongoing thing. And I like played with it. It was ridiculous. Like I literally would cry. And I would wake up every morning excited to see. And then there was one where Justin would like walk in. And there was Kevin's shit all set up.

And he was irate. Yeah, and I wanted to pee on it. I wanted to pee on it. It's like this is your territory. And I was like, this is miraculous. You're there at 430. What time is this guy getting there? He would get there like five. So I'd see him coming up.

And he'd look at me. I mean, it was just like a whole thing. And it was kind of funny. But it was like, I mean, I was serious about it. I wanted that spot. So I would go sit out there. I'd sit in front of the gym before it even opened at 430. And I'd just do my emails right there,

waiting for the door to open. And I'd go and I'd grab my spot and I'd do some more emails or whatever. See, if I were like everyone in life and they're trying to scale their business, I would just tell them that the Instagram stories and Instagram and social media platforms is so important to put your energy towards. That's important. I know how to use that. Like, I'm a master.

No, I've been watching you. You're doing like amazing. No, you're good now, Jill. No, uh-uhuh your instagram live with your brother i watched the entire thing it was like two hours shit face i was like i don't even remember what time it was in my room because i'm the one with like this crazy full-length mirror and he's 29 and this bitch is always in the mirror because he likes the light it's like down light so it makes him look like he has better abs than he does.

You would love that mirror. We should buy that. Can you send me the link? I don't have a lot of down lights in my place. Down lights. I mean, oh, my God. And I just was like, this is such a fucking, this is just, what is, does this, everybody live with a millennial,

and is this what happens when they do? Michael's skin is glowing right now. Are you fucking kidding me, Lauren, talking about, like, selfies and mirrors right now? Yeah, I do have a a selfie we have such good light in my new house skin is glowing though i was like staring like what is going on seven step routine morning and night it's because i listen i i always tell people my dream as a little boy was saying like maybe one day i'll get to talk to beauty experts hair experts yeah but i've talked to so many people now that it's just like registered like, oh, that's how you do that.

I mean, it's like, imagine you talk fitness and health all day long. You are the glowiest person at the table. It's just going to rub off, right? It's like so weird. Like, why am I not this glowy? Do you know what was the change? I got to talk to doctors, skin doctors, and then also experts. And so like, hey, just do this, this, and this.

And now it's just like a normal part of getting a dress. He taps his under eye with his index finger. No. Oh, yeah. That's a big thing, though, just because you don't want to pull on that sensitive skin. I was looking like an old weathered saddle. I tell people, like, forever.

Like, something that had been ridden hard and thrown away wet multiple times. No, his forehead was in his eyes. Like, you know the Charlie Brown character when they're dancing in the Christmas song and the eyes are closed. So we got lots of listener questions for you guys. I don't know if you saw, I asked the listeners to ask you guys questions. So I'm just going to throw questions at you.

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hair and that professional is saying, it's not a at it, and you go in and you need to listen to them. If you have really, really dark hair and that professional is saying it's not a good idea, your hair is going to break off, don't do it. You've got to listen to people. But if you do end up doing it, I mean, Lauren, we just made you platinum recently, and Lauren completely follows instructions. I'm like, look, if you're going to be platinum white,

you can't wash your hair every day. You can't shampoo every day because it dries your hair out. Then you blow dry it, and that's when the breakage happens. So you've got to dries your hair out then you blow dry it and that's when the breakage happens so you've got to like let your hair be dirty you know two and a half weeks all i've used on my hair is dpu um uh this would the dry shampoo right what's the exact one because i want to make sure it's in the show notes it's the apple cider vinegar apple cider vinegar and it doesn't make your hair you know how some makes makes your hair like all white chalky it doesn't do that so that's all i've done but you actually have to commit to not washing your hair all white. Chalky. It doesn't do that. So that's all I've done. But you actually have to commit to not washing your hair.

So all of our products at Deep Behe, we've made them so they all take care of hair color in between salon visits. So it was very important to me to kind of maintain hair color between going and seeing your hair colors, right? So everything has a purpose. The ACV rinse is a really gentle way to wash your hair. I really believe that people should not shampoo their hair every day. Shampooing your hair, sudsing it up, it strips the good oils out.

Your hair gets dry. That's when the breakage happens. So with the platinum, it's just don't overwash. Make sure you add oils to the hair, a clear oil. The Argan oil from our line is completely clear, lightweight. People don't realize that if you have a tinted oil and you put it on blonde hair, it's going to turn it a certain color. If you have a white t-shirt and you put any sort of stain on it, it's going to stain it, it's going to turn it a certain color. If you have a white t-shirt and you put any sort of like stain on it, it's going to stain

it. So that's good. Platinum's hard. What is Zac Efron doing? Because I know you guys just made him platinum. Yeah. So Desi, my assistant, just made Zac platinum. And when guys have shorter hair, it's easier.

You know, they're not blowing out their hair. They're not putting curling irons in it and whatnot. Should we do it to Michael? Like, honestly, actually not joking. I don't know if that's going to work. Why? Should we do it to Michael? Like, honestly, actually not joking. I don't know if that's going to work. Why should we do it to Michael? It would look cool. And I mean, but then it's like he has that whole grow out.

If his hair is short, I would want him to really want his hair. So good. I know the hairline. I married him for his hairline and we didn't do a cul-de-sac situation. It's like perfect hairline. You know what I mean? He loves his hair. He doesn't know what to say.

I'm like this. I got given one thing, right?? He loves his hair. He doesn't know what to say. I'm like this. I got given one thing, right? I'll take the hair. No, you got given other things. I wouldn't have married you just for your hair. Let's be honest about that. Okay. Someone asked, they said three tips to quick weight loss.

Weight loss is very simple. It's math. I mean, there's just no fucking way around it. It is just math. There's a great TED talk on it. Google the mathematics of weight loss. And they will explain to you, it's the law of thermodynamics, which basically means energy is not created in a vacuum, right?

Fat is stored energy. If you eat more energy than your body is utilizing to function over the course of your day, you will store that energy as fat. The only way to burn fat, there are no foods that burn fat. There's no fucking syringe that burns fat. I just had a fight with somebody who was going to do an IV to burn fat for 150 bucks. It's just like, it's all bullshit. So the only way to burn fat is don't eat so much fucking food and move your fucking ass a bit fucking more and that's the end so should you use my fitness pal since it's so much math to like write down exactly what you're eating yeah i mean like log your food but what's what makes this not so shitty is that

you go okay i'm trying to lose weight right all right let's say a pound is 3500 calories you want to lose two pounds you can wear a device that will tell you how much you're burning in a day. So that's going to do that math for you. And it gets pretty close. It might not be perfect, but it's relatively accurate, right? So let's say it says 2,000. All right. We burned 2,000 calories today. You should never as a woman eat below 1,200 with unlimited greens. Never as a man eat below 1,600 with unlimited greens. So how you can accelerate weight loss is by working out a bit harder, a bit more often, right? Because you're creating more of an energy call. What's your favorite workout for women? What they're going to do. Just move. Just move. What they're going to do. Like my favorite workout. I mean, we could sit here and be like, okay, you need resistance training

and you need it and done in metabolic circuits, which means we're going to incorporate hit intervals. And then we're going to fucking, but but like this is why like i create workouts so you don't have to know all that shit but if you'd rather stick needles in your eyes and do burpees with me in your fucking living room and you much prefer to go for a hike in the canyon or hot yoga like i would tell him no dude we're not doing hot yoga he fucking loves it okay hot yoga for me though was like something i hated yoga for years and i'm one of those, if I hate something but other people like it, I want to try it. I think this is what's happening. So I hated fucking yoga.

So then I started going. I'm like, I'm going to learn to like it because everyone says it's so good for you. And then now I still weight train. I lifted weights this morning and I skipped yoga today. But it's like I just wanted to like get into it. But he likes it. He goes every morning. Both of you look so fucking good.

Can you tell us some things that you do? Because I can't deal. Justin's muscles, protruding. Justin is a fucking. You are so fit. You look much fitter than an 18-year-old. We were in Amalfi Coast. And I finally got to train this guy.

That sounds really, really fun. We were held hostage by the mafia at one point, which was an international incident. You guys, the story's insane. This is actually true. Tell the story. Tell the story. Tell the story.

Well, go ahead. Okay, so literally like two summers ago, Jill reaches out to me, and she's like, babe, I want to get a boat on the Mafia Coast. And she's like, you and Scooter, my boyfriend Scooter, she's like, you and Scooter, come to the Mafia Coast. All you have to do is get yourself there, and we're going to get gonna get on this boat and we're gonna go for like 10 days on the boat and i'm like fuck yeah it worked out with my schedule i'm like i'm gonna do it let's do it so we go down there we like land and just like the conversation in the car when we all get together

jillian's coming from a bees off like a party trip she lands at a mafie we all get in this car together and jill's like you guys i don't know what this boat's actually gonna be like like we start thinking about things we start talking about because the car was shady remember like the smog from the engine was coming into the vents i was like this is not right it was like this shitty van and it was just like it just fell off this is a bad fucking sign so we get to the we get to the boat and the to me the boat's stunning like it's a big boat you know there's four bedrooms in it first we were happy yeah we were happy it's gonna be amazing but You know, there's four bedrooms in it. But at first we were happy. Yeah, we were happy. Oh, it's going to be amazing. But then things just started happening.

It just started getting, like, worse and worse. Bottom line, we escaped the boat in the middle of the night, like, called a water taxi and literally threw our luggage onto the water taxi and escaped in the middle of the night, like, with Jill's daughter, Lou. We had Lou. We had Lou. Like, I think I had her, like, over my shoulder. And I'm, like, jumping into a boat.

Spike was not there. And the guys who worked on the boat are screaming from the boat. And I'm jumping into a boat. Mike was not there. And the guys who worked on the boat are screaming from the boat. It was this whole thing. It was crazy. We really escaped. And then it got. Wait, wait. But what did they want?

Money. They were trying to blackmail us for money. So they were like, oh, you're out of money. And I had given them quite a bit of money to cover all expenses. So a few days in, they're like, you're out of money. And we're out of gas. So they would strand us in the middle of the ocean. So we would all get seasick.

And I was like, I'm not fucking giving these guys a dime. Everybody's puking overboard. They won't dock the boat. And you're stranded. I mean, you're on a boat with them. And if they're asking you for like $10,000 more, you know, and it started to get crazy. And then once you guys know Jill's business. Oh, he was there?

Oh, yeah. But once he left, it got even weird. Because it's like, oh, now it's just Jill with the gay boys. So it's like, then they start getting really aggressive. We've got G on the show. And I love G. How did he get off the boat? How did he exit the situation and just leave everybody?

He had to go back to the States. He was leaving early already. His plan was we dropped him off at a certain point. Oh, my god. Remember when they abandoned us in Positano and the dogs were like four hours and never came back for us? Yeah.

So then we had a scavenger hunt. Are you guys drunk? Or is this like a sober, like working out, eating healthy trip? No, we were both. Aperol spritz? Yeah, I did a lot of Aperol spritz. Yeah, we did have some Aperol spritz.

But Jill trained us every day. We were like... Which was originally why I was getting into this because I would make Justin like tow the yacht. Anything to move anything to move tow the yacht what do you do for a workout i tow a yacht i swear to god i would like put a dinghy on him like and i'd be like swim bitch it was to this day though it was the best trip of my life i had so much fun i mean i had some memory like because when we exited the boat, too, it got released into the paper. I would dump him in the middle of the ocean and make him swim to the restaurant and shit.

Boats. So they're like, this is not safe. He could die. I was like, he'll be OK. Go, Jake, go. Like, boats are swimming by. She put my boyfriend in the little inner tube with the rope on it. He'd be way out there, and I'd have to pull the rope in.

She's screaming. I was, because she said they wanted to work out. So I was like, OK. and my boyfriend does not work out so he's looking like i fucking hate you like every day look like that because he's genetic freaking nature shit i mean his butt it's like what is that what's in there michael has the same kind of butt yeah we're not talking about me so what are things that you guys do on a daily basis that you think make all the difference because you both look amazing i i supplement like crazy and i do think it matters and i use organic whole food based products so like i like a lot of naturals i like ancient

nutrition um there's not a ton of brands i'm obsessed with like that, but like Dr. Axe just merged with ancient nutrition. So like I do like fish oils, probiotics, super greens, super reds, MSM, glucosamine, chondroitin, branch chain, aminos, and grass fed whey, like adapted genes. But like the cool thing about like the Align Natural stuff is it'll be like all in one. So like the grass fed whey has branch chain aminos and collagen and MSM, glucosamine, chondroitin. So it's combined. be like all in one so like the grass-fed whey has branched chain aminos and collagen and msm glucosamine chondroitin so it's combined is this all planned out like did you like meal prep but supplement prep i basically have a regimen for yes like i wake up in the morning i do these like d3 omega whatever crazy ass fish oil with a zinc c because i take zinc

for like thyroid and healing. And you have the best skin. Well, that is not entirely all supplementation. Does the zinc have a brown bottle with a blue and orange label? No.

I can't do zinc and liquid. It's so disgusting. The fish oil. There's one called Paragon I think. No, I can't do zinc and liquid. It's so disgusting. I'm talking about the fish oil. Oh, the fish oil. It's like, there's one called Paragon, I think. Is it a gel? It's a gel capsule? Yes. Tell them what your supplement routine is, thanks to.

I'm actually trying to fucking figure out if this is what. Oh, I do the zinc, for sure. No, Joe Rogan inspired his supplement routine. So he goes through these phases where it's like. You do the MSM, glucosamine, chondroitin mix. Yeah, exactly. And I do, you know those athletic packs? know with the blue with the it's probably electrolytes no it's the vitamins but it's d3 zinc glucosamine okay but i it sounds like you don't do like a pack

of stuff it sounds like you mix and match uh my shit is none of it's synthetic all organic and all from whole food okay you know what you have to do your next project is you have to make whatever you're saying all these things that are so overwhelming you have to make like um you said you don't like pink so what did you say you like you like um what's what color did you say like silver and purple silver and purple packs that we can just wake up rip the top off and take go to like a lot of naturals has that stuff though so they do it kind of for you so like they're like their amazing green product will have the enzymes and the adaptogens and the antioxidants and the polyphenols so it's like a scoop right and you can put it in something okay

i'm gonna go get that like and then i'll do miracle reds like they don't have a red product but like they have i'll just have them send it to you i mean i would love to try any of them send you everything but the glucosamine is worth taking, right? It's not only good, but I like to blend the glucosamine with a multi-collagen. So like a multi-collagen is really important because... I don't know about that, but glucosamine is good. So think about it. Your body is made up of all different kinds of collagen, right?

So like the lining of your intestines is one type of collagen. Your skin is another type of collagen and it goes on and on. So you want a multi-collagen product with the MSM glucosamine. And what's interesting is in this book, I just wrote about anti-aging. MSM glucosamine chondroitin has actually been linked to all different kinds of anti-aging benefits as well, not just joint health. But you want, you need these certain things combined in a certain way and just the right doses. It can be overwhelming.

That's why I like companies that are ethical, clean, whole food based, all organic. Does your book go over this, too? Yeah, it's in the book, too. I'm going to go refer to the book, too. That's originally why I started fucking around with it, though, because my joints from when I was younger are bad. And I was like, I need this.

But now I feel better in a lot of different ways. With collagen, too. Justin, what do you do like give us specifics uh I I eat really really clean I eat organic I um I really watch what I eat but I eat a crap load of food so I have to work out more like I'll work out twice a day when I go hard on the weekends I'm just all it's all balanced for me you know I love to drink so it's like I have to like you know I drink on to drink. So it's like I have to like, you know, I drink on the weekends. So then it's like I really clean it up on Monday. So I just, I eat really, really clean. But I love working out.

That's when I get to like turn my brain off. What happened? I'm so sorry. Heidi just responded to my Instagram post. To me. She goes, feet? Really? That's what you give me?

Also, can you correct two things just so she can't hit you back? But instead of I didn't put the you and buy Justin's product she's like put the you and run the shit past me because armpit is one word to give some context she has a good sense of humor I love it

how many comments do we have now it's been like 40 minutes I need to see it to give some context to the listeners, Jillian posted. She told. They told. She told. Yeah, we talked about it. Fuck.

I'm sorry. Let me edit. I gotta make armpit. One word. Excuse me. So is workout for you, Justin, hot yoga and weights all the time? Yeah, hot yoga and weights. And then just really moving.

Whenever I go on vacation, I like to ride bikes or I'll do stand-up paddleboarding if I'm at a beach place. But I love sweating. I love it. So it's not hard for me. That's why it's like I get that some people a beach place. But I love sweating. I love it. So it's not hard for me. That's why it's like I get that some people hate working out. Some people, it's hard to diet.

It's not for me. So I can't act like I'm like a superhero. Do you have your go-to meals? Yeah, so I have a guy who cooks for me every week. His name is Eli Lawrence, and he's here in town, and he drops off the food at the beginning of the week. So I eat whatever I want on Sundays, and then Monday through Saturday I eat the food that he gives me. And for the most part, it's pretty much paleo and paleo just really works for me. You know, uh, you eat his food, breakfast, lunch, and dinner,

breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He gives me breakfast and then there's three meals. So it's four meals a day. And that's all I eat. Have either of you guys tried intermittent fasting? I love it. So do I. Yeah. I like it too. if i want to get in shape for like a beach trip like i'll do that like the few weeks before um but i find it's like easy to sustain all the time like i find i get more energy for me too like i love working out on an empty stomach and for years like i used to i used to be like 40 pounds bigger like more muscle and all that kind of stuff and so it was like i was always told like eat a lot before your workouts all that kind of stuff and i hated the way i felt all the time i like feeling empty

it feels so good you don't feel as lethargic especially when you stuff your face on the weekends and do and drink too much it's great are you and brennan going to that same yoga is it the same one yeah i need to get on this yoga train you have to go please take him to a yoga class he won't steal your um. I won't steal your position. I'll sit in the back. I'll put in the dues. But I'm fucked up. I need to get something.

No, you're going to love it. For some reason, I feel like straight guys love it. I don't know if it's because the girls are hot there, too. But straight guys get really, really into it. So I feel like you'll love it for whatever reason. 1,231 comments in 50 minutes. Holy shit. Oh my God.

I don't know if you sell any fucking hair products. Yeah. No. Did you tag DP Hugh? You should. She did. Shout out to DP Hugh. I totally did.

Go buy hair products. Oh my God. I went up like 1,000 followers. Are you serious? No, I'm kidding. I was at 101,000 followers i'm at 102,000 she she just tagged my personal page it's just like going oh my god it turned out to be successful on both ends right okay i'm sorry this is a perfect example of like how now in this day

and age like it's probably interesting for you to see jillian because you like control the narrative now right oh fuck somebody else tries to jump in isn't that amazing but the thing of it is that usually it's like rise above rise above rise above and that was always the mantra from my generation i hate rise above it doesn't work i hate it it doesn't work anymore because you rise above yeah fuck rise above people don't stop like they just don't stop it's like you've got pricks like andy cohen and like al roker and it's like you try to write you know how many years al roker what happened without oh my god same shit with keto like do you know how many years i've ignored andy cohen to the point that i finally was like all right that enough is enough here dude what what happened you told me a little bit on your podcast. I basically did a video blog for women's health about keto.

And I based off of, I don't know, the hundreds of studies that I had researched. What the fuck does he care about that? He doesn't. That's my point. So he earlier had called Savannah Guthrie dumb for doing the diet and then said I was a jackhole. And you like keto or you don't like keto? No, keto bad. Keto bad. Keto bad.

Keto bad, yeah. So yes, you'll lose weight on it, but there are a host of side effects over time. You don't want to constantly be going on ketosis. It's really bad. No, it's a mistake. It just sounds unhealthy. It's such a bad idea. Keto is when you eat no carbs or any of that stuff, right?

Exactly. And then your body essentially goes into. And your breath stinks. I mean, have you ever talked to someone who's on keto for a long time? Ew. No, they literally stink. Oh, they need a tongue scraper no there's something i have so bad stomach acid no it's something nasty going on it's the ketones it's when you watch the mathematics of weight loss it's actually like when you dispel how you burn fat they're literally exhaling

byproduct of okay so you did an article on keto and how does that involve Andy Cohen? He just, because I had a really bad experience on his show years ago, right? So I stayed really cool during the show, but then afterwards I was like, dude, I have got to give it to you. Like that was the single most horrendous experience I have ever had in the media in 10 years. I feel like you're so not, like you're not looking to call people out either. No, it started out like, it started out in the middle. It was like, cause you shoot the show in the middle of the night, right?

So it's like midnight and I had been on a book tour for five days. I was up at five in the morning doing like today's show or something and doing press all day for days. My son, who I affectionately refer to as patient zero had given us all the stomach flu. So I'm like, I'm barely propped up in this chair, right?

And I had never met him, but I thought we were going to be gay homies. I was like, oh, we're going to have this gay bromance, me and Andy. And he's friends with my man crush, Anderson Cooper. And I just thought we were going to get along great. So I had never seen the show show though. So shame on me. So I go on the show and he's got that like shotski thing, right? Where you like drink shots or whatever. And so I'm sitting there and they're like explaining to me, I guess how the shotski things works and when to drink. And I like nodded, I was totally not myself. I nodded like, okay, I got it. and he turns around and he looks at me and the show

hasn't even starts and you know how like you you make fun of somebody who's special needs he's like do you get it and i woke the fuck up and i was like oh bitch i got it and my publicist is like oh my god no because it's all live. And so, like, he just spent the entire hour, like, just being, like, just such an abrasive jerk. And it's like. What do you think triggered him? Just because he was mad you weren't paying attention? I actually think, in all fairness, like, I hate to say this, but he's very good friends with Bob. Oh, right.

Yeah, he's very good friends with Bob. So, I think that, like, we we maybe he maybe knew a few people that i knew and so it was like oh i'll get this bitch for you well your energy she was such a business boss masculine energy so maybe it was intimidating i mean no not at all he i he had it in for me it was like planned and so we get through it and at the end i was like wow i mean congrats like you absolutely fucking sandbag me like i did not see that coming like was he receptive when you told him pun intended no and he they were like she's the biggest bitch she's the worst guest we've ever had but then took the show down so nobody could

see what actually happened because like i just sat there for an hour because it was live and just like stayed super chill and calm and like he had people call in and say how awful i was who were you with um i honestly don't remember some girl who was very low-key and sweet so he just had people bash you yeah just the whole show and that never aired oh it aired but he took it down because he's like she was so horrendous to me he's like i didn't do shit i just sat there like i just because i knew it was live and i was like all right i'm gonna like i'm gonna get through this i'm not gonna give this guy anything because i know what he's doing and you know then at the end i was like wow like bravo like pun intended like you really are just a monster so when you wrote your keto article what did he come out and speak at the end of it he was like jillian michaels is the jack hole of the day and like this has been years like this

guy just randomly comes out of the woodwork right so i finally got to the point where i was like all right you know what enough of this hey you want to go dude let's go like a you're having a boy don't call women jackholes what's the fucking matter with you b if you want to have an intelligent conversation about keto man the fuck up and let's do it see if not shut the fuck up and sit down not a peep out of this guy since andy i think that you should come on your podcast and you guys should talk about keto and debate it. Because you look pretty damn good. I feel like you know what you're talking about.

He's not pro-keto. He's just anti-women. Oh. It's old. No, I'm telling you. You know what, though? You tell it how it is. No, uh-uh.

Like, look at the show. It's like, how can I humiliate these women and exploit them? And good for them, by the way, for building brands off of it. But it was just like Biggest Loser. Like, let's be fair. Biggest Loser was, let's humiliate fat people and call them Biggest Losers, right? And, oh, no, but it's about weight loss. But it wasn't.

And I do remember Bob one day saying to me, because I was fighting with the producers and screaming and throwing out temptations. And he's like, we can turn this around, but not the way you're doing it. And he was right. And, you know, I was much younger than him. And he was right. I was 30. He was 40.

And he's like, we just have to do our job. And these people will look and feel amazing. And that's going to speak for itself. So calm the fuck down. And Bob was, he was 100% right. But, you know, that's what Housewives, in my opinion, started out as. As like, let's make fun of these women with like nothing to do. And they rose above it.

And we're like, we're going to build businesses. And we're going to actually like kick some ass and take some names. Yeah, that show's evolved. I know you love Vicky. What? I know you love Vicky. I love the Housewives. I'm just like.

I've never actually watched one episode. But I know know i know like individual housewives okay so i mean of them you know what i mean and so then and you get like a mixed bag but a lot of them have made a lot of stuff yeah a lot of them have done great like built businesses and done great jobs bethany frankel she's badass yeah she's about don't know or never met her but like she's done a great job building her businesses but like this is what i think i mean in the time that we've time that we've talked about now, you could really address everything immediately. Like this person, this troll reaches out and looking for you for a story.

And next thing, boom, you just took that power away from them immediately. How do both of you guys stay humble in all of this? In LA? I mean, you're working with the top of the top celebrities. You're surrounded by the celebrities. Like how do you, because you both are so down to earth and so fucking cool. And what you see is what you get. How do you guys maintain that sort of integrity? I, you know, I think about all the time and I really, I'm not trying to be like Mr. Cool guy,

whatever, but I don't think that I'm that big of a deal. I know that I have, I've done really cool things and I'm only in competition with myself. Like there's certain goals that I set for myself and I just reach them or whatever, but I never think that I'm better than anybody. I don't compare myself to anybody. And I really just don't believe the hype. You know, when people, I even get uncomfortable when people call me a celebrity colorist, like I'd never introduced myself as Justin Anderson, the celebrity colorist. And so for me, it's really not, it's about not believing the hype. And for me, it's all about the experiences. I just have goals for myself. I don't know. It's just, it comes naturally. It's not something that I think about. I don't have to do it. I just, maybe it'll slow deep down. Like I'm, I'm a little bit insecure

in certain areas. Like I just don't think I'm the shit. I think the minutes people start believing they're the shit, it's like, you feel it and it's just, I'm sure you both have seen it. Yeah. Yeah seen it yeah yeah no you do and it and people i've always paid attention to the fact that like you know i am around a lot of celebrities right and i noticed that people who have real staying power and they're good people who are in it for the right reasons you know you look at somebody like jennifer aniston when people like oh how is she getting another movie or whatever like it's like she's a badass she's the nicest person to be around people want to constantly work with her i look at someone like margot robbie she's young like Margot was really young and every time I work with Margot She has a million deals going on like she'll be getting her hair done her production teams in there

They're talking about new projects. She wants to work on she treats it like a business She's not thinking about being on the red carpet and like getting her hair They're in it for the right reason not in for the band Yeah, and for me I really what I do like I'm in it for the right reasons like I love Doing hair since I love doing hair. Since I was a kid, I was obsessed with like women feeling beautiful. I was obsessed

with beautiful women. I was obsessed with blonde hair. So I'm in it for the right reasons. It was never like, I wasn't like, oh,

I want to be a celebrity color so I can go to parties. I don't go to any parties. I get invited to all these people's parties or these things and I don't go to anything. That's not what I'm in it for.

Michael makes fun of me because I say I fucking hate networking. I don't make fun of you. No, I don't. to anything. That's not what I'm in it for. Michael makes fun of me because I say I fucking hate networking. I don't make fun of you. No, I don't. But you network in your own way. We don't have to network anymore. No, this is a party for me.

Yeah, we can network on our social media. I think it's okay to go and meet the right people. I don't like these stupid cocktail mixes where everyone's just trying to glad hand and they're talking and looking over their shoulder. But I think it's worth it meeting the right people. I mean, there's a time and place where you absolutely have to. You know, like for me, I'm saying like, I don't want to go to like every celebrity's birthday party and like try and sit at somebody's table at a club like that.

There is something important to that, though. Like I literally called Justin like about this coffee company. And I was like, babe, I need your help. I'm like, we're like stuck in this position. And, you know. Talk about the coffee company. It's just an organic cold brew coffee company. But it's like it's called Lucky Jack lucky jack right i'm obsessed with it it's all like

small batch like family let's get this in dear media she was gonna send dear media a bunch of yeah let's no we'll order it let's order it no what the fuck dude i'm on it i'll get on it so literally the problem is as you grow as a small company and you get like a big account, like let's say Kroger, right? So we get Kroger and they give us 2000 doors and you'd think this would be awesome. And then they're like, okay, yeah, that's going to be, you know, X hundred thousand dollars for slotting fees and X amount of marketing spend over here. And like, by the time you know it, it costs you 750 grand and you're not getting paid.

And then it's like, then we landed Publix and then we're like, oh fuck. And you'd think that'd be awesome. But we're like, is this going to make us go bankrupt? Like, because it's so much money. And so I called Justin and I was like, I need your help. Can you, can you introduce me to like Donna or whatever? So like Justin's business partner, he introduced me to Donna. Donna introduced me to these guys that own Caribou Coffee. And so Caribou is now talking with us, Lucky Jack, about doing some certain things together. I don't want to jump ahead of it. But look at Justin was like, oh, no problem, babe. No, it's important to know and be connected.

Listen, that's how business gets done. You and Michael are very similar. You have to, right? And then I introduced you two. That's true. That is true. I was like, Jay, are you two that's true right that is like jay you or are you i tell you about justin or do you put us on a text something one of you asked me about the other oh you put us on a chat i like such a good synergy listen yeah there's so many benefits in

having the right relationship you could go bang your head against the wall so true but like why why you don't need to do it that way you're totally right smart when people say work smart and hardless you got to do both obviously it's not just one or the other yeah like you don't have to just but like if there's if you know somebody or just knows or learn to know somebody that's going to further something that i'm trying to do oh yeah i'm saying hey do i don't need anything what did allison broad say she's like a top pr agent what did she say about about um uh service servicing other people of course what's the most important thing like servicing other people? Of course. What's the most important thing? Like servicing other people because it comes around. They're like, oh, that guy helped me with this.

She said the way I got ahead is continuing to just service people and service other people and collaborating and giving my all to that. Collaboration. Your generation is great at that, though. Yeah. My generation is like bitter as fuck. Layles are great

collaborators. They really are great collaborators. They really are. And, and extras are just bitter and pissed all the time about everything. But it's so much, it's so much easier if everyone scratches everyone's back. I don't understand that. You get ahead so much quicker that way. Like even with me with my assistants, it's like I, Alexi, my assistant, I sent him on tour with Miley Cyrus and that was like his dream, you know?

And it's like, I feel like when you, yeah, like I recommend people all the time. I give people shout outs on my Instagram. Like even people who like fucking hate me, to be honest. Like if I do someone's color and they've cut their hair and they hate me, like I'll still tag them and give them credit. Like shout out to this haircut or whatever. And it's just like, I know it'll come back to me. It'll be good. It's just like.

It also is a classy move. It's the right thing to do. It's not even hard for me. There's so many people in this town who everyone hates each other, especially hairdressers. There's so much gossip and drama. And I'm like, I can't keep up with that shit. I'm just focused on myself and my friends and my brand. You're so busy.

You just don't have time for it. Listen, the first thing I asked you when you came in, I'm like, who the hell can help me cut this hair? Oh, God. How many times is he going to ask that? Of course I'm going to ask him. Who else is better to ask? No, we have the person to cut your hair alexi's gonna cut your hair let's make sure we get the top okay if you were to each leave our audience and it's a lot of millennials with one piece of advice what would you say to them i know what i would say but say it no please i want

you guys to take this in the best way fucking possible because i'm gonna give you hold on i'm just sit back and relax and put a piece of straw in my tooth i love like i love i love millennials and i love the fact that they're very innovative i love that they collaborate i love that they think outside the box but but i've worked with a lot of them and i will say that my generation right was the generation that was like not only are you the first one to come in you're the last one to leave but you're looking for shit to do that's not on your job description to prove your value so i hope my future employees listening to this keep going it's like you're like what oh i see that no one's doing x y and z i'm gonna step up and i'm gonna take that and make it my own right whereas a lot of the kids that i interview with or that i come across have a very like first question out of their mouth is what are the hours

how much vacation days do i get and then the next thing is that's not on my job description it's insane and i i literally am like i don't understand what do you is that's not on my job description it's insane and i i literally am like i don't understand what do you mean it's not on your job description like assistant which by the way i have a personal assistant so it's like i have a personal assistant i have a concierge service like what's not on your fucking job description about posting a story to my instagram that's social media that's not on my job description i'm just like wow and i how can i add value should be the question how can i add value how can i it's like you don't talk to me this way or you don't like if you even get in a situation like i'll never forget i had this this one kid who i really loved but she fucked up and she fucked up and she fucked

up and she fucked up and i was like okay listen kid this is like our 10th fuck up this week okay and I was like what the fuck is going on like it and this is like a kid that had worked for me like I'd done a ton of stuff for and I was like what is happening when I said stay home don't even come in tomorrow just stay home and go through the calendar so you know what the fuck is going on and then I look at the calendar and like nothing's in properly you know it says to arrive a half an hour before but you haven't in at the time like if it says 11 but arrive a half hour before you have 11 so I showed up a half an hour late I'm like you're not reading it you're not looking at it and it was like are you like you don't get to talk to me like this and I was like like what like I wasn't like listen you idiot or none of that and it's like do you want me to enter

the center or you want to keep yelling and I was like okay you're fired like are you serious do i want you to enter it in i'm paying you to enter it in we've had this conversation four fucking times it's your 1001 fuck up and it's like like like it's like fuck up 11 d 1178 like are you fucking serious What did Tim Grover say about hard work? Tell us how you feel. How much lucky jack have you had this morning? Not too fucking much. I told this story the other day. I sat down with

interviews we're hiring and I sat down with a classified as a millennial person and the first question was how many days can I work from work? There you go. What are the benefits? What are the hours hours it was extremely rude of me but i just got up and walked out of the interview you're done no because i was done i'm like this it's not happening like i don't know what i don't you're here to you want to work no tim tim grover came on our podcast he's like a coach for lebron james and michael jordan he said he said people come to

interview him and and he says what can you bring to the table and they say i'm a hard worker and he's like what the fuck are to the table? And they say, I'm a hard worker. And he's like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's a given that you're a hard worker. That should not be a way you describe yourself. That's like when someone describes themselves as a nice person. Like, then you're not a nice person. No one should have to say that about themselves. If you're calling yourself a nice person, you're a dick. I think that's great advice.

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be an asshole. I'm just telling you there's a huge difference. And also, one other thing. Last thing. And I promise I'm going to hand it over. You have no idea who that person knows. So before you're going to get on your high horse and be like, fuck you.

You don't talk to me like that. We were staying at The Edition in Miami, right? My girlfriend goes downstairs. They have a bowling alley. The reservation's at 8 o'clock. They want her ID. She's 33. She's like, are you serious? You want my ID? And they her ID. She's 33. She's like, are you,

are you serious? You want my ID? And they're like, yep. Sorry. She's like, I won't drink. Can we just come in? We have a reservation for the lane. No, I get a text, baby. Can you bring my ID down? I'm in the shower. So by the time I get the text and I come all the way down to the bowling alley, it's like eight 17. Right? So I'm like, here's your ID, whatever. I bring my ID. Then the other kid is like, Oh, sorry, the land's no longer available. And I looked at this kid and I go, kid, sure you fucking want to do this. I swear, because I was like, because I know like everybody in, you know what I mean? Like up the rank. And I just, I was like, are you positive you want to go down this road?

And he thought about it. Good for him. And he was like, wait a second, hold on go down this road? And he thought about it. Good for him. And he was like, wait a second. Hold on. I might have a mistake with the room number. And to prove a point that you get more flies with honey, I tipped the kids $100 extra on top of their 18% service charge. And it's like, I have the guy from the edition on my phone.

Like, when can we talk about your stay? And it's like, think. Don't get caught up in your fucking ego. Because you fuck with the wrong person, and they're going to crush you. Treat everyone equal. Chill with the ego. Set it aside. It's a fucking bowling alley.

What do you care? What point are you trying to prove? I love it. Sorry, Jay, go ahead. No, I have my composition notebook out okay your turn i mean fucking kid in a fucking bowling alley i gotta shake i love it michael's balls are sweating jesus i i think i mean mine basically goes right off of jillian's you know at dp hue you know the the DP Hugh house that we have here, we have, it's all

millennials that work there for me. So it's like a young, good looking, fun staff. I love everyone that works for me, but it is that thing. It's just the questions are, what time is the day over? You know, what's asked? Nobody's ever- How many vacation days? Vacation days, like all that kind of stuff.

And we just had it, you know, we had HR fly in and we had a whole meeting and everyone's questions were, you know, what are my exact hours? Do I have to post? You know, we're such a social media driven business. Do we have to post story or post posts on our days off? And it's like, fuck yeah, you do. It's like, haven't you guys ever traveled and you're like on vacation, you see someone working next to the pool on their computer.

Like people work on their days off. Oh my God. Like vacation. And if you don't, I get it. If you want a nine to five job, it's like, cool, you know, work at a certain type of place. But it's like, I just feel like millennia, they don't realize that you have to put in so much more work.

When I was a first and assistant, I used to assist my colorist that I worked for, you know, all day long doing all of her business, whatever. And then I would stay at the salon till one in the morning, like hustling my own stuff. You know, it's like, and that's how I got to be where I'm at and I feel like social media really messes up a lot of people and really makeup artists and hairdressers because they see these people who have these big followings and do all these celebrities

and they're like I want to go into it to do the celebrities and they want to bypass like all the stuff they want to jump right to it and it doesn't happen that way you have to put in so much work or when a blogger comes to me and says how do I make money yeah yes yeah time for three years totally just it's exactly that it's like you yeah but the thing is it's gonna it's gonna weed out these people i mean i think it's gonna be a really rude awakening at some point i wonder where it goes because millennials

are a huge ass generation i'll tell you though, it's because one, entrepreneurship right now at this day and age is glorified and glamorized, right? Because people think it's easy. And two, people look at social and they say, oh, that person must not be worried. Oh, that's easy. And so they think it's easier than it is. People think they have the ability now to check out and take easy paths, but it's not. But people need to remember that the Instagram story is five

minutes of someone's day. Exactly. No one's filming me when I'm on my computer or you know what I mean? People say that to me all the time. Like, Oh, you have the funnest life. Like it's so easy, whatever. I'm like, but do you notice that I don't post an Insta story from basically like 9am till 7pm? Cause like those are the hours where I'm not even on my phone, you know? But it's like, but I know that Instagram, it's a tool for me. I, first of all, I want to have a lot of fun with it. But then also if I'm going to post something, I want to make people laugh or I want

to entertain or I want to share a part of my life or I want to have a lot of fun with it. But then also, if I'm going to post something, I want to make people laugh, or I want to entertain, or I want to share a part of my life, or I want to educate with hair or whatever. But it's like, I don't know. The entrepreneur stuff, I think everyone's like, I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to be my own boss. Not very many people can be their own boss. I wish I could have... Sometimes I wish that someone could see all the dark moments that I'm sure all of us have. Oh, my God.

There's a million... I've been through a lot with Jill. Oh my God. Sued left and right. Yes. Pulling scoot in. Having her give all these workouts. The yacht.

My life is 90% turmoil and problem solving. Yeah. Like I wake up every day. Yeah. As soon as I get in this office. All day long. Yep. As soon as I walk in.

It's not like, hey, everything's great. Shitstorm. The other night I walked in. I walked in from work and i walked into my boyfriend i was like almost teary-eyed and he's like looking like what's wrong and i'm like i just want to go back to fucking doing hair like i just want to work like four days a week just have my clients and i really don't like i want so much out of my life and like i want a really big life but i got to that point where it's just like why am i doing all this stuff like the non-stop working i really am working seven days a week you know you're constantly answering to everybody and you get to that point i'm like why am i doing and so what my point is

i have a really i work hard i know that the more you put in you get out of whatever but um for these people who are even asking about hours i'm like you're not gonna go anywhere if you have the audacity to ask for an extraordinary life you have to put in the time and work right that's just that's just i think it's a misconception though of like you're not gonna treat me like this like i remember i did something i think it was buzzfeed and i was with tone it up right so they wanted us to do some we were on tour doing a fitness tour and they wanted us to do some sort of workout or whatever. And it was boring. And I was like, this is going to be boring. This is like super.

So I was kind of like screwing around, like, you know, or whatever. And I can't remember, but the kid, like, I was like, well, this one's making us do fucking Jane Fonda leg lifts, like kidding around. She, and this kid looks at me and she goes, you don't need to be here. And I go, okay, well be clear. You, you actually asked me to be here. Like I didn't just, you just randomly show up, but I mean mean I'm more than happy to leave and then everybody jumps in and then you know Giancarlo pulls her aside and he's like you got to be careful with that ego because I know your boss and I know your boss's boss he goes I'm gonna let it go and he's hyped

up on lucky jack chill the fuck out and it's the same thing it's like put your ego aside you're not too good like first of all and I was kidding with her. And I actually pulled her aside and I was like, I was actually playing with you. And I apologize that you misunderstood it. God, you have to be so careful nowadays. But you should be really careful with your reactions because he's right. You don't know who. It's like, I'm too good for this.

I'm too good for this. It's like, what are you too good for? I just think nose to the grindstone, nose to the grindstone, nose to the grindstone. Rants repeat. Rants repeat every day. They're just in touch. There is certain career paths where you can have what you're talking about, just a chill path.

But if you want to have this extraordinary lifestyle and do these extraordinary things, yeah, you've got to fucking work. There's no ifs, ands. There's no other way. You're not too good for it. It's not like you have entitlement. You have to eat a lot of shit, too. i have to eat so much shit all the time i'm basically eating with a spoon at this point it's so true and you have to i mean you gotta say it you gotta do with the smile on

your face you gotta humble yourself like there's so many times i'm in meetings where somebody says something it doesn't i'm like my i can feel it in my gut my anger starts to rise and i have the reaction like i'm when i was a kid i'm like nope gotta check, got to check it, got to do it. Like even like, you know, I'm a young guy still, like there's still, even I've had some success, but there's still a lot of shit that is needs to be eaten and that I will.

And like, that's, you know, I'm fine with that. Like you got to pay your dues. You got to put in the work. Diplomacy. Like,

you know, but G if Giancarlo is the king of diplomacy, sometimes to the point that I'm like, okay, we've gone too far. You're like fucking Rob Stark and it's the red wedding you know sometimes i'm like gee for fuck's sake but it's amazing how many times that relationship will circle back around and it's like he didn't make an enemy out of that person and you thank god he didn't because it's easy to yeah i mean

you should have your boundaries right you should you can be able to say no without, like, putting a stick of dynamite in something. Or getting some clarification. And yeah, sometimes you eat big shit sandwiches. But it'll pay off down the road. I think that is incredible advice. I want to say thank you to our giveaway winner, Christine. She won a bunch of DBHU products. And she's here.

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