The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Joe Schilling, Professional MMA fighter & Champion On Free Thinking & Fighting For Your Life

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

#300: On this episode we are joined by Joe "Stitch 'em Up" Schilling. Joe is an American professional Muay Thai kickboxer and mixed martial artist who competes for Bellator Kickboxing in the Middleweight division, and in the Middleweight division for Bellator MMA. On today's episode we discuss life as a professional fighter, free thinking, speaking what you believe, and living life on your terms.  To connect with Joe Schilling click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by BLUBlox  Blue light damages our eyes and leads to digital eye strain. Symptoms of digital eye strain are blurred vision, headaches and dry watery eyes. For some this could even cause heightened anxiety, depression, and low energy. Enter BLUBlox. BLUblox was created to change this with high quality lenses for daytime, nighttime and for color therapy exactly in line with the suggested peer reviewed academic literature. Go to www.blublox.com/skinny and enter promo code skinny for 15% off our order and free shipping! This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 25,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for free. That’s right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 25,000 classes for free. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media

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what am I gonna do if he does this what if he does that how come I gonna prepare for that and like that mental stress just gets magnified by if you win you get this much money and then opportunities keep coming if you get if you lose this is gone and that is gone and nobody's going to like you. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Hopefully it's a happy Tuesday. That clip was from our guest of the show, Joe Stitch-Em-Up Schilling.

And on this episode, it's a long episode. We talked for a long time. Joe's a good guy. He's a good friend of ours. And we just have a lot of fun. It's just very casual conversation. What does Stitch-Em-Up mean? Stitch-Em-Up means he's a guy you don't want to fuck with. Whoa. That's his nickname. I don't have a lot of fun. It's just very casual conversation. What does stitch him up mean? Stitch him up means he's a guy you don't want to fuck with.

Whoa. That's his nickname. I don't have a nickname. Mine's more like Michael pick up a book, Bostic. Joe, Michael and I met in Finland when Four Sigmatic and Tarot took us on this wild adventure. And Joe was so quietly confident, but I was so excited to get him on the podcast because I knew he had a lot to say. And this episode does not disappoint. He is 100% the real deal. He is unapologetically himself. He has his own opinions, thoughts, and feelings, and he shares them on this episode. And I like that about someone. It's definitely not boring. He's definitely a unique individual. And I wanted to point out, I just realized as I was looking at

the notes for this show, this is episode 300. We, I want to point out, I just realized as I was looking at this, the notes for this show, this is episode 300. We've made it to 300 episodes. You know, I'm not one of those people that like does a whole milestone thing, but I was just thinking like, that's a lot of fucking episodes. And if you think that this thing started as a side hustle out of our living room while we were doing all these other things, it's pretty crazy to think about what it's become.

It's so crazy that it's been 300 fights later. 300 fights later, we've made it through. Today marked our 300th fight. We just got What if at 301, I was like, I fucking had it. It's over. I'm done. I might say that. I might need a break. So anyway, not to hang too long on 300 episodes. I mean, woohoo, we made it 300. Let's get into the fucking show. Who is Joe Stitch-Em-Up Schilling? Joe is an American professional Muay Thai kickboxer and mixed martial artist who competes for Bellator kickboxing in the middleweight division and in the middleweight division for Bellator MMA. He's a professional

fighter. He's a badass. He's a dad. He's a business owner. He's a very thought-provoking individual. With that, Joe Schilling, welcome to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Are we good, Taylor? Yeah. Oh, we're good. Okay. What happened to me is that with this whole COVID thing, like all I want is nature.

I don't want to walk outside. Like today I went on a walk and it's like, there's so much construction going on. Someone almost hit me. 10 ambulances ran past me. Like I just need a little bit more chill. Well, you know, like one of our friends was saying like something happened this year

in big American cities and especially like maybe LA or New York where like something died, you know, and I don't know if it's coming back. And like the whole reason you come to a place like this is because the city's kind of like you'll you'll spend more on real estate for smaller spaces because like the city is kind of like your right your playground but if like you

shut all that down and everyone's crammed in you're kind of like oh god like the city's really lost a lot of its appeal and also that's how i feel about la you come here man that's why i came here it was like everything's going on and popping here. And then now it's like, we pay crazy ass taxes, like insane taxes that we pay here. You know, the cost of living is so high. The traffic is insane. And now there's bombs everywhere. Like even in downtown, they're closing down the jail.

Like I didn't, my gym wasn't in the greatest area, but it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And I'm like, why the fuck do I live here? My kids, I don't want to raise my kids here. Can you imagine the gym that you would open in Austin too? That's what I'm talking about. That would be so cool. It'd be sick.

You know what? I would go, you know, I was going to your gym for a little while, but it's far from here. And then COVID hit and then shut down for a little bit. It's open. I got to get back into it because I was having fun there. The testosterone really, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. I liked when you were going to the gym. You dug it, huh? Yeah, I dug it.

I dug it. No. And is it your partner or your trainer, Mark? Like he's, dude, that guy's the man. He is. You look at him and you wouldn't think that he could hurt you, but that guy could fucking hurt you. Oh, yeah.

So him and his wife got, they're like super scared of COVID. He hasn't really left his house since this whole thing started. So I wasn't teaching the classes so much like when you were there i don't think i ever saw you there i was there super early too it was only time i could get there then you definitely didn't see me so for like the first two months we were closed down and it got to a point where i was like we're stacking up this 7500 rent every month which is in tech in texas would be like 2200 that's it that's a lot of rent can you imagine so three months you get no you have no income coming in for the business,

but now you have $21,000 in debt. And it's like we have to either open under the table or we're going to go out of business. And also, you basically pay to live here on top of that. So it's probably like in Austin, it would be a totally different experience. Completely different. I think it's a mass exodus of California.

I mean, like people move here because there's opportunity. But if you start taking away that opportunity, like nobody's going to sit there and say, I'm not going to tolerate the traffic. I'm not going to tolerate the expenses. I'm not going to tolerate the taxes. Because like the only reason you're here is because those things justify themselves with opportunity. But if you take that opportunity away and you make it like every other place, then it's like it loses a little bit of its luster.

Exactly. like every other place and it's like it loses a little bit of its luster exactly and i think we're like a little i don't know more level-headed or whatever our vibe is in california like we we think a little different i guess i don't know how to put that into words but like when you have newsome starts talking and he talks for 45 minutes and i can't understand anything that he says not one coherent sentence came out of his mouth in the 45 minute conversation he was having. And then there's just like a lack of science, lack of, I don't feel like they're in it for our best interest. Well, this whole thing with COVID, I mean, and you've talked about this, it's like, what's driven me nuts is we keep talking about like how to try to hide from something, but we

don't talk about how to prevent something. Like, it's just like hide, hide, hide. It's like that strategy is not working because it's not going anywhere. Like this is just like the flu. The flu didn't go anywhere. We had to learn to live with it. We had to learn to adapt. And it's, that's not a strategy that is applicable to the entire country. Like you can't have some people in, some people out, some people following the rules, some people not like some places open, some places closed, like it's a virus doesn't give a shit. i've made that point the other day a lot some people really liked it a lot of people liked it but some people got pissed and i'm like this is

not a political thing like this is a real thing like if you get the cold you get the cold if you have pre-existing conditions you got to hide out you got to be careful but it's not going to wear yeah and then the whole thing is like whoa everybody gets mad they're like whoa what about my grandmother you're not gonna follow the rules And then my grandmother's going to get sick and die. And it's like, your grandmother should stay in her house. Yeah. Your grandmother is at risk. She should be the one to stay home.

Not the whole rest of us, because your grandmother might be. My grandparents didn't leave the house much. Listen, we have a seven month old now. And if she got sick or she had the, or we were sick, like, I'm not going to bring her around my parents. I'm not going to bring her around my grandparents. Like, it's just not like that's, i wouldn't bring her around even if covid didn't she had the flu i wouldn't bring around either because they're still at risk right so it's like

i don't know there's not a lot of common sense here i want to i want to go back and give the audience some context can you sort of talk to us about when you were little and you knew you wanted to get into fighting like do you remember an epiphany that you had or was it a slow build i was the youngest of three. My older sister is the oldest and then my brother is two years older than me. And my brother was always bigger than me, even though he's like two years older, but he was like, even now he's like, way huskier and like bigger than me. And I don't know, we used to always watch like wrestling and rated R movies or whatever shooting up bang bang movies and we

used to always fight but he would always kick my ass like always kick my ass we had a basketball court in our backyard and i can't remember not once playing a basketball game that didn't end with him holding me down and like shoving grass in my mouth you know and i think that like stoked some sort of like uh need to prove myself growing up and then when i was uh 14 i was always getting in trouble in school and uh i read you got kicked out of like four schools and like is that true i did what'd you do i got kicked out of my first school i kicked out of was uh saint charles which is like an elementary school that i went to and it was a catholic school i got too many demerits and it was like if you didn't do your homework it was two demerits if you then

you would have to bring those demerits home and have your parents sign it so they know about it and then i wouldn't do that so that'd be like two more and then yeah it's just the first year that they started giving demerits it was you weren't allowed to have more than like 23 and i got like 25 and they were like you gotta get up so then it kicked me out of that school and then i went to um my first public school when i was sixth grade i think and by the end of that year i was same thing i was just whatever somebody told me to do i would just do the opposite like i didn't really have i was like mischievous or you just or you were angry i wasn't even like a bad kid i just didn't i didn't like being told what to do and i just i it's weird now as a parent i know i always thought it i don't know why but i always thought it was like not cool to do your homework it was not cool to get good grades it

was not cool to be a good kid which now looking back just sounds so fucking stupid but my kids are the exact opposite of that and you know your parents are like wait till you have kids they're gonna be just like you and you're gonna see like my mom was so wrong my kids i think i've raised my my voice at my son like once he's 14 yeah they just never wanted to be in trouble they don't want to be bad kids and like with me it was that was all i wanted to be i don't know i'm so stupid no it makes sense i think it's i think it's an authority thing i was a terrible student myself and i and it was never that i didn't that i couldn't apply myself or that i didn't understand is that i just hated being told what to do and i think like that that's why the school system is not always such a good thing because you get you put people in a box and if

that box doesn't fit like their mold and they then you know it's not set up for every for individual success it's kind of like you follow these rules you do these things and one day you have this like very you were so bad you were like mooning the principal did that yeah but not like a school bus licking the teachers off you know it wasn't like a angry trouble kid it was more of just like what you're talking about like i just didn't want to do things or like you know apply myself to certain things if i didn't like if i wasn't interested in a subject like what am i doing here and like you know i look back on it now that's exactly how you are now but no one like thought like michael's a bad kid or like that guy's got problems.

Well, I'm sure like probably there's some teach, you know, like probably some teachers did, but my parents never did. They would bring my dad in all the time. Like, yo, your son is a full mess. And he'd be like, you know, he'd play the part. I'm like, okay, I'll take care of it. He'd just give me a talk to it. Like, what are you doing?

Like smack upside the head or whatever. But he never thought that I was like going down a bad path. He was just like, yo, like you got to kind of like toe the line here a little bit so when did you know you wanted to actually get into fighting professionally so i was getting in trouble i got kicked out of those schools and then i got sent to like an alternative school which was like all the in high school like where all of the surrounding counties sent like their bad kids to this one school and then it was like a really small school and it was like metal detectors on at the front door and they would like come in and search us like randomly

and like even then i had like drugs and cigarettes in my pocket at school like i was just dumbass kid my stepmother i passed away when i was like 16 and that for whatever reason gave me just full i don't give a fuck anymore about anything. You were super close to her? Then it was like, yeah, we were pretty close. Probably more close than I was with my dad. I think I had daddy issues growing up. My dad was like a fall-down alcoholic, and I always wanted approval from him.

My stepmom kind of stepped in and made my dad play the role, I think, a lot better than he would have. She passed away when i was 16 and then that was like yeah fuck it now i'm gonna now i'll smoke her in front of you now i'll like i just didn't give a shit anymore i started eating like acid in class when i was a freshman in high school so i would get like five bucks for lunch money and i gotta sound horrible my mom would give me like five five or six bucks or whatever for lunch money and I could buy a hit of acid for five or six bucks and then that would last me, you know, four or five hours of the day,

of the six hour school day. Just be tripping on acid. I'd be like tripping in class. Just like. What does acid feel like? I've never done it. It's like a body buzz and then your perspective on everything you're seeing

is different like visually and like the way that you think about things. You know, if you're having like a a positive note if you had like really negative energy or uh really didn't want to be somewhere you took acid or you took like mushrooms or hallucinogen it would like twist your perspective to like oh this isn't so bad or oh you know you focus on other things i guess so you'd be in class just like totally normal. No one would know? Well, and when you're like 15, 16 years old,

you're all like sweaty, goofy kids that are awkward and uncomfortable. So you can't really like? Nobody really notices. They're just like, oh, the kid's like spaced out and has acne or whatever. So I did that a lot freshman year. And then I was smoking weed and just not showing up to class, getting in trouble constantly for not being in class, getting really bad grades. My mom, I think how I got caught. At some point, my mom started

giving me a drug test. Like I would, I got caught sneaking out of the house, sneaking back into the house. And then the next day she like took me to get a drug test and I failed the drug test. And then she was like, at that point she was like charging me with unruly. you can call the cops on your kid if they're underage and you can have like charges brought against them for being an unruly kid what do they do when you're like what can they do to you when you're a kid like that they don't put you in the clink right no they put you in like uh you know like community service and you just start your thing in the system which i think is terrible to do your your own child but well yeah because it Well, yeah, because it puts you on the radar of those type of people. Yeah, right.

But from my mom's perspective, she was like, he'll take this more serious, this will be whatever. But it didn't work. So my mom was like, you're fucking up, you're doing all this shit, you're out of control, I'm going to send you to a rehab center. And she sent me to this outdoor program where where we had like we were in the ship like flew me out to idaho and it was like you to live off the land you had to hike 10 miles a day and all this crazy shit for like 21 days and when you get back from that most of the kids would go to a

boarding school my mom didn't want to do that and i don't think she could afford it at the time but she still like put that over my head like you have to find a hobby and we're gonna put you in a boarding school and I was like man I just want to fight I'm pissed off I'm angry mad about my dad I'm mad about being in trouble all the time I just always wanted to fight and she took me to a martial arts gym she worked for the better business bureau so like better business bureau if you are a good company you can sign up and register with them and then they'll promote you as a good company so you'd be like what gyms are good and they'd be like oh this person's a member of the better business bureau they have excellent reviews whatever so my mom had signed up a martial arts gym and she took me

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We met in Finland and then we went with Taro and all those guys at Four Sigmatic. And, you know, when you meet your partner, a trainer, Mark, he's an unassuming guy that will kick the shit out of you if you're not careful. But if you look at you, you're like,

okay, this guy will actually like kill you if you're not careful. Like that's the first stop. But, you know, obviously under that, like you're a very, in my opinion, nice dude and i wonder like do you think fighting maybe took a little bit of that anger away and help channel some because it's like you're now like knowing you you don't like obviously you're a capable person and everyone's aware of that but like you're not an overly aggressive aggro dude that is like out there saying like i'm gonna kick your

ass and all you know i mean like i think that's something like maybe fighting help channel uh for sure for sure so mom took me to that gym when i was 15 i think yeah i liked it right away so then i was pretty much grounded from everything else and my mom be like all you're really allowed to do is go to the gym right so i would go to the gym and then i would train or whatever and after a couple months the instructor started being like hey i can't be here at such and such day. Could you help me teach the class? And then all of a sudden I was this 15, 16-year-old kid that I always thought that adults and everybody looked at me as like this bad kid or like lesser than. And once I started teaching, it was like whether you're a doctor somebody's dad or mechanic whatever

they were asking me for my opinion and listening to it and that really hit like struck me like oh shit I'm onto something here you know and then I had my first fight at a bar I wasn't old enough to get into when I was 17 like it was a professional fight or like a semi-pro fight or it was like you just got in a fight so So back in Ohio, you remember they showed tough man contest back in the day. So tough man contest was like a, that was like a brand, but there was lots of little fights like that all over the back East. I don't know if it's still still exists or not, but I think now they have athletic

commissions that don't allow that. Basically what they would do is they would have a bar that wanted to have an event would put up a ring in the bar and then they would send out flyers everywhere. And it'd be like toughest guy, baddest guy, cops, bouncers,

construction workers, anybody can fight. And then everybody, all the drunks would go to the bar to see who see this wild fight. I guess there wasn't a whole lot of people that wanted to sign up for these things. So when I went, they weren't like checking my ID. It was like, we need anybody. Yeah. And I'm like, here's my 20 bucks. And wanted to sign up for these things. So when I went, they weren't checking my ID.

It was like, we need anybody. Yeah, and they're like, here's my 20 bucks. And they're like, oh, perfect. Get on the scale. I fought in a bar I wasn't old enough to get into. And I knocked them out with a body shot in the first round. And then all of a sudden, I'm in this bar. I'm not old enough to get into.

All these girls think I'm a badass. All the guys are like, oh, it was fucking awesome. And I was like, this is what, this is my shit. This is what I'm going to do. And then that was just, that was that. And from,

and how long from there do you start going pro and like actually taking this very seriously? Very seriously. It wasn't until I moved out here. I moved out here when I was 19. So two years later, and it was just that I didn't see myself. I was working at like a gas station in Ohio and everybody that was around, nobody had really, where i grew up in

ohio and no offense to the people back home that may or may hear this is like if i've been gone 16 years but if i go back now i'll still see the same people working at the same bar the same gas station and i have kids and whatever and that just was never my ambition of what i wanted to be you know how much strategy goes into fighting a lot so there's a lot of like is are you like working on like are you reading like robert green books or you know what i mean like is it is it a lot of like mental stuff that you're doing like are you like listening to podcasts and consuming a lot of books or is it more you're actually in the ring both i. I do a lot of mental stuff too, especially when I was younger. So when I moved to LA when I was 19, it was like,

all right, I got to just make this happen. And nobody back home believed I was going to be able to do it. Kickboxing wasn't even really that big of a sport here at that time. There was a lot of affirmation, daily affirmation type stuff. And I used to listen to a lot of affirmation daily affirmation type stuff and i used to listen to a lot of like tony robbins-esque type motivational stuff you know um cut and edited rocky videos or whatnot and that and that actually helped me a lot and then once you start to have a little bit of success then all of that doubt starts to go away because like i've been scared i've pushed myself and something good's happened and then setback setback setback and then I pushed myself and something good happened and then now I don't I don't really feel for the guys that get to your level like how much of it do you think

physical ability and mental now I mean obviously the games are just keeps like leveling up a level of such becomes such a big phenomenon it's a big sport like how much of that now when you think when you look back do you think is like mental versus physical? I think it's both, but there's definitely like a mental trait that you could be super physical. Like there's great athletes in the NBA that could never do well in fighting. What do you think the reason is?

Like, what do you think is missing from like a mental trait to be able to do this? I think it's a, there's a lot of fear involved and I think there's a lot of stress involved. i think most people don't have any idea how stressful a fight camp is or like if if i told you that in five weeks you're gonna be at the atm and somebody was gonna rob you and there was nothing that you could do about it you would just constantly obsess over like what am i gonna do if he does this what if he does does that? How come I'm gonna prepare for that? And like that mental stress just gets magnified by,

if you win, you get this much money and then opportunities keep coming. If you lose, this is gone and that is gone and nobody's gonna like you. And it's just you and some other person in the ring. It's like a very animalistic thing where it's like, you're like playing basketball. You got a whole team to support you.

Right. Like one game doesn't necessarily matter as much as one fight. Right. Maybe that's an overgeneralization, but I assume that's true. Like, you know, Lakers go out,

they lose a game. It's like, okay, we'll get the next one. But like you got to lose a fight. Like you said, it changes the whole trajectory of what you're doing. Right.

I think, I think a loss will cost you a year in fighting. Jesus. What's the most nervous you've ever been before a fight and why? Was it the opponent? Was it because it was a new fight and you hadn't done it a lot? I don't get nervous like I'm afraid I'm going to get hurt. I get nervous like I'm afraid I'm going to let people down.

I'm very emotional when it comes to that stuff. Like who? Like your camp? Myself, my team, my kids, my coaches. like I'm a very emotional when it comes to that stuff and like who like your camp myself my my team my kids my my coaches you know I feel like there's a lot of the city the the when I was fighting kickboxing I was like the representative of America and it was like that was a big part of my motivation was to show that there's high-level kickboxers here in the US because we have a terrible reputation worldwide when it comes to that and I was like the first one to I was the

only American to ever win a global combat tournament of any kind I was the first W not the first WBC world champion for America but I was like definitely the most well-known one I think my when I fought Glory 10 which was a huge tournament for me, I was coming off of, I had lost three fights in a row. Two of them were by knockout, and I hadn't fought in a year. And I got put into this tournament, which was like the best top four middleweights in the world. Probably top three. I don't know if I was there yet, but they needed like a token American to put in that opportunity. And I had so much pressure, but I wanted that so bad.

Coming up fight week, I could think about it and start crying because I wanted it that bad. Yeah, I won. I was like a 400-to-1 underdog, and I won $150,000, which I had like 86 cents in my account at the time. We went to the weigh-in. I had to borrow money from my coach to get to the weigh-in and then when i won like my kids were there it was that was like huge and then after that

the nerves weren't as much because i knew what i was capable of you know what i mean and then it was about the balancing act of staying on top which is also also just as difficult you know what i mean yeah i don't think people realize like how stressful that can be and like obviously you can't relate to it unless you've done it but if you think about it like like i said with you know in a business you have a whole team in football basketball all these things you have you have a team and i know you have a team in fighting you have a camp but like really at the end of the day you go in the ring and it's you and one other person and you have the whole you know whoever's watching whatever like i'll say

the whole world but a lot of people just sitting whatever, like I'll say the whole world, but a lot of people just sitting there judging you. Like, I feel like in your sport, there's so many, you know, you get these like bros that are so quick to be like, Oh, you fucking suck and all that. And it's like, you know, you, you know, there's levels of fighting. And if you're like, maybe you are in the top like 5% of people that can actually like really fight in combat sports. But like,

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Do a lot of people cheat in the ring? Cheat? Yeah. I think steroids is way bigger part of the sport than the average fan realizes. How do they get away with it if they test? I don't know. Do you have a problem with people taking steroids or no?

Or do you think it's like, what's your stance on that? Uh, I think that the way it is now is the way it should be. I think it should, should be, it's gotta be a fair playing field for everybody. But like my favorite fights were pride back in the day in Japan where everybody was on steroids.

It was like monsters versus monsters. Like I, from a visual perspective, I, I appreciate that. But as far as. Some of these things are like helping people fight for longer now, right? There's like, like if you taking, like, say like you're an older guy, but you can take something to, to like extend your career.

You know, cause I think about fighters, like what is the average age of a fighter? Like where you can actually, before you have to retire. Oh, for sure. Like definitely fighters are lasting longer now. It's probably a good thing, not just for the sport, but for, you know, if you're doing that professionally,

like it's stressful also to be having a limited period of time. Like shit, like now I'm done. Exactly. True. Downside of that is if one guy is in his prime, so to speak, and then this other guy is taking steroids

so that he can last longer and then he fucks up your prime. And now you're not the same guy anymore that used to be. Cause I think that's another big issue is like, you see some of these guys have these like phenomenal insane fights that are like, they go down in history, but then that most of the time,

those two fighters aren't the same after that. You know what I mean? It takes a lot out of you emotionally, physically on every kind of aspect of who you are when you're done with the fight do you want a blow job do you want a beer do you want to go to bed like what's the vibe after the fight all of the above all of the above at once okay probably also depending if you win or lose yeah yeah that's probably true what's the what's the worst injury and i'm sure you could ask this all the time that you've had where you're like fuck i uh blew out my left knee about seven years ago i tore my

your my tore my mcl ripped it off the shin bone which allowed my knee to come out of the socket was torn my acl and then it shifted so hard that it partially tore my LCL so you have four tendons in your knees and three of mine were torn that one sucked I had my I got I did a long long time ago I fought in this underground kickboxing match and it was kickboxing with MMA gloves and it was in like a waste management parking lot I don't know if you guys know about waste management but it's like pretty much a cover for mob stuff since like forever even like the sopranos they always have like waste management right so there's a whole bunch of gangsters and like the thing i got hit in the jaw and i couldn't chew for like four months and i had like shoot any time i would if you just like rubbed my face

the wrong way i would feel like i was getting stabbed with an ice pick in my ear that was really that one was probably worse than my knee injury for sure when you get hurt do you go straight to the hospital or do you just try to figure it out it's usually just figure it out i have a i don't know if you can see it probably not there's a scar no we can see it yeah the scar right there not the not the line no not the line there's a scar i got hit with an elbow in a muay thai fight probably i used to do like a 2005 maybe little boxing as a kid like nothing crazy but just like you know that and then you know when i started going to your gym when i got introduced to muay thai i was like oh shit i've never actually had to think about an elbow or a knee or somebody kicking me in the side of the head and there

was literally girls in your gym that were kicking my ass. I was like, holy shit. But that's like, there's levels to this stuff when you start to think about it. But honestly, I think at some, I think at some point, every guy, girl should do some type of combat training, even if it's limited, because it gives you like a different type of confidence and awareness. Like if I know, like not looking for fights, but knowing how to potentially protect yourself from, you know, you look at what's going on in the world right now with all these crazy people running around and attacking everybody. And like knowing that you could handle yourself in a limited way, it gives you a different type of awareness and a different type of confidence because there's so many people you watch it. Like they don't know what they're

doing at all. And it's honestly, it's, it's a liability. liability if you're not if you're not able to protect yourself in a limited way i want her to go do something yeah actually this morning one of my students who's not particularly great he's been training a couple months or whatever i wouldn't say he's ready to fight anybody else have yet but he asked me today he's like do you ever notice that like when you start at the more you learn how to defend yourself the more situations seem to come up that you that you feel like you need to defend yourself and i said what's interesting about that is that the situations aren't changing you just feel more secure in yourself and you're realizing that guy should get his ass kicked you know what i mean so like when you don't feel like

you can defend yourself or that you can stand up for yourself you let people walk all over you so you carry yourself different you're like you know i don't fuck that dude he shouldn't i shouldn't you know but like before that you were feeling this smallness in your in yourself that you felt like oh i just got to take that like oh i just got to take that like what a horrible feeling when predators sense that right shitty predator like you know you i think you there's certain people you encounter and even like they don't need to be like scary looking people but you could just look at them and be like okay that's somebody you maybe don't want to fuck with but then there's other people like okay that person if they get fucked with they're just going to be you know walked all over do you like encounter a lot of fights outside of the ring and outside professionally like do people

go looking or do they leave you alone because they can just tell not really drunk people sometimes they do it and i think there's like i really can't control it but i get told all the time that i'm intimidating like i intimidate people all the time like oh you just look all i don't know you're so intimidating like well it's just my face you know but people like assume like like you said like oh this guy probably you know this is somebody well if you look at like also like like if you were to just meet you that would be one thing okay but if you like when we went on the trip like okay who's this guy like there's like literally a picture of you like drop kicking someone in the head or like bringing your knee

up and like literally like someone's head is like across like 20 yards away so like that can also add to right but i get that a lot where people say like i'm intimidating or whatever i can't really control that i I try not to, but I don't, I don't necessarily hate it either. But that same way that some people are feeling intimidated by me when they're drunk and in a public place, they're like,

there's something about this guy and I don't know what it is, but I want to fuck with him. You know what I mean? Yeah. So then I get stuff like that, but most of the time it's not that big of a deal. What do you do? Like if someone comes up to you and tries to fight you and they're drunk,

what's the move? Most people are no longer with us, Lauren. I'm just kidding. I usually just try to blow it off. You know, like it's not something that I'm looking forward to. You know, I'm definitely not looking for a fight most of the time. Yeah, usually it doesn't take long for them to change their mind. Speaking of people fuck with you,

so I wanted to talk to you because i was i've been following your shit a lot this year because obviously there's the craziness of the world that's going on and like we see all these riots and you know protests and there's this cry to defund the police which we haven't talked about on the show and i'm sure like it's gonna be polarizing but you know there's obviously you know there's that whole um skip by chris rock i think was like bad apples and like i think we all agree there cannot be bad apples in police precincts because you can't it's not it's a it's a it's one of the jobs in this country that like they're you can't like

you cannot have bad apples big period just like you know pilots and that's what he says and you started highlighting a lot of police brutality videos which was like some of them are actually like really hard to stomach because it's just like terrible what these people are doing. But then I think, I think your point and tell me if I'm wrong was to point out some of these people that should, you know, be kicked out of their jobs or lose jobs or just be removed. But then it kind of went the other way where it's like defund. And I think we all agree, like there needs to be some level of protection in the country, but there also needs to be some level of protection in the country but there also needs to be some level of accountability i just don't like there's for sure and back since when i was a kid i had issues with police that they were doing things that weren't right because they have

this this like immunity they can get away with whatever they want and i just don't support that at any level like nobody should be able to just do whatever they want. And then especially when you have such a dominant position over people. You know what I mean? You could ruin somebody's life. You could take somebody's life. So when the whole thing started coming up, and it was like, oh, it's a few bad apples.

And I was like, no, bro. There's lots of fucking apples. Lots of bad apples. There's lots and lots and lots of bad apples. And then somewhere along this political it's this whole year just seems so political and doesn't make any sense you weren't doing it for a political thing you were doing it to highlight shitty people yeah like shitty people and i never once said let's take away all of the funding and make it you know but then now this and i'm sure i'm not a reason behind that but the now it's like defund and they're shutting down jails and they're letting people out of jails over covid19 if

covid19 was so real and we have to wear masks why don't you give the prisoners masks in jail instead of letting rapists and child molesters and and murderers out on the streets because you're afraid that they're going to catch a cold i'm not that worried about a murderer getting sick and in jail you know but now like defunding it like not so now it's like in new york i heard that there's like a if you call the police and say there's a like a shootout going on they'll wait an hour to show up because they don't want to be a part of it and they don't want to get fingers pointed at them or whatever and then when you defund when you defund if you defund i take i don't know some large amount of money away from the la sheriff's office beverly hills is still going to have sheriffs you know what i mean yeah west hollywood it's the poor areas that are going to poor areas where the highest amount

of crime are the ones you're taking all of that stuff away from. I don't think people have thought it through. I don't think they think about the repercussions. Like, okay, defund the police, defund the police. But then you start doing that, and if you get, like you said, you leave the rich areas, they're fine. Like, nobody's getting defunded there. The poor areas are gonna suffer more crime, and there's nobody to help and nobody to respond.

And I actually, like, maybe I'll get in trouble for this, but I actually think it's the opposite, that you need to fund more and get proper training and teach people how to do it. And there should be stricter regulations to get people into a badge. I mean, like, how, like, I imagine like the average police officer, they come up against a guy like you or somebody that wants to do them harm, like they probably have very little actual combat training to be able to fend somebody off like we should teach them how to like if you were if you needed to apprehend somebody you could probably do it in a way where you wouldn't have to bash their skull or hurt them really bad you could probably just you know detain them pretty easily right and i think that if you're going to be a police officer you should know how to do that type of thing you should also be psych evaluated to see like is this guy somebody or girl somebody that can handle the pressure of the job because it is one of the hardest jobs in the world in my opinion 100 100 and you should be able you should have to

test for it to say is there something special about you do you have a special quality that we can benefit from do you have a fucking a weird ass quality that we don't want anything you know were you the guy that was picked on in high school and you're getting this job just because you want some power because you're have home issues or whatever and i think that's what a lot of the stuff is but the other thing is like instead of taking away all the money the simplest answer is they need to be accountability there's no immunity you shoot somebody i think everybody that kills somebody whether you're a cop or not should be brought up on murder charges you should go to court and then if you're it's self-defense it's a real quick case you know what i mean and if it's not then hey you fucked up and

you murdered this person you know what i mean not oh well he's a cop so it's all good have you actually seen you kind of mentioned a little bit have you actually seen police brutality in front of you i haven't seen police brutality per se in front of me. When I was, I have a couple stories. When I was, I think, 14, I had a paper route when I was a kid. And I would have this big giant sack on the front and on the back, and I'd fill it up with papers. And once a week or whatever, I had to rollerblade around the neighborhood and throw papers under it.

I remember going up to this one house in a cul-de-sac and i as i was skating there was one house and on the back of the cul-de-sac where i actually had it was an old old person's house so i had to go up on the driveway go to the front door drop it on the doorstep and then come back everyone else just got one thrown in their driveway and as i was going up onto that the driveway there was a pickup truck and it was like this crank like long scraggly haired looking dude and he looked at me and we like our eyes met and it gave me like this weird ass weird vibe you know and i go drop the paper and as i'm coming off the skating back off the driveway he like i like see him again and he's like oh hey and he yells at me

and i like freaked out and i started like skating away and then i hear the truck like like zoom up behind me and uh i went like full panic mode and i like ran through somebody's grass and went to their front door and the guy pulls pulls the truck up and he's like hey i'm chris i'm your landscaper your mom sent me to come pick you up come get in the car car. And I was like, no, bro, you got the wrong guy. I was like, I live right here, actually. He's like, no, no, I know where you live. I'm Chris, I'm your landscaper. You got to get in the car with me.

Your mom wants me to come get you. And I was like, no, bro, you got the wrong guy. So I start banging on the door. And I was like, mom, mom, you know, and the guy drives away. And I go home. I was like freaked out. How old were you? 14, 13 13 14 someone

that i skate to my friend's house which was on the way back to my house because i'm kind of freaked out right now it's like every is truck and it come around the corner you know and tell my friends about it and then we all like posse up and then go back to my house and call the cops right and the cops come give the statement whatever like two days later i get the i get called down to the principal's office from school go down to the principal and there's a cop there officer maynard by the way he's like oh you know we're going to take you to the police station you're going to help us uh with our investigation or whatever i'm like cool maybe you talked to my parents like yeah we

called your mom she said it was fine as soon as we get to the police station they like lock me in a room and throw the notepad on the table it's like we know you're lying you piece of you tell us the truth blah blah blah you went to your friend's house what was really going on and for like two hours they interrogated me and i'm only 14 years old call me a piece of telling me all this stuff we're gonna file charges against your parents you motherfucker like just all in my shit it's where i'm like almost in tears and i'm like you fucking assholes like this really fucking happened fuck you i want my parents call my fucking dad right now fuck you and they take me back to the the school or whatever it turns out like four months later they catch the guy his name is chris he is a landscaper or

whatever and he only got like six months probation or something. So what was he doing? He was trying to pick up young kids. He was trying. He did some other kid too. And the same thing happened. The kid got away and called the cops on him. So because he never actually touched me or got me into the car,

it was only like child enticement and not child abduction. So he only did like six months probation or some bullshit like that but that was like the first scenario of like cops being fucking assholes what are the point like when you're a young kid like that and that happens you lose like how can you trust them again you can't that's that's the problem right so then a couple years later my sister my older sister she's like four years older than me She was dating a guy whose mom was married, like remarried to a cop. And they were at like a Christmas party. And the cop, the guy, whatever the fuck his name was, who happened to be a cop,

they got drunk and he like beat the shit out of her. Like broke her nose, like beat the shit out of her. And my sister was there and witnessed it. And my sister is like very much like outspoken, like healed the world. I'm going to get him, you know, kind of guy. So she like heal the world i'm gonna get him you know kind of guy so she like calls the police and files a report she files a report at his police station so she gets called in to give her statement same thing lock her in the room slap the drink out of her hand you fucking bitch we know you're making this shit up motherfucker all this crap and the case gets

thrown out of court there's two times that happened what's the third one my brother got pulled over in la and probably like four years ago or something was driving my sister's car and he had expired tags or something and like the cops kept calling him a paisa and like slammed him on the slammed him on the hood of the car and they arrested him for having like expired plates or some shit like smash the the cuffs on like just dickhead shit you know i think like that's like the the problem is is i think like what there's there's two sides of this is like you you empathize with the person who's actually a good cop and gets into it for the right reasons and like risk their life all the time to do the right thing and i think that there's a high amount of police officers that are that person but but then you get these, these shitheads that get in there too. And I

think it all has to do with the way the system set up and the way the vetting process set up. And so when you start saying things like defund, where my head goes is one, there's gonna be less protection, it's probably going to open the doors for worse people are going to be worse qualifications. And you think about like, if you're somebody that's thought about getting into that line of work your whole life, and you're excited about it. And if you're somebody that's thought about getting into that line of work your whole life and you're excited about it and now you see the world's hating on this profession and is looking at it like these are the shittiest people in the world like i think what it does is it takes the people that could potentially be the good candidates and the

good people say fuck this i'm not going to go into that line of work and it opens the floodgates for worse people exactly and i don't think people are thinking about it in that way. So like, like, listen, police aren't going anywhere. Like they're going to, they have to exist in society exists in every society. But if we don't figure out a way to one, hold people accountable,

that shouldn't be police. And to create a system that entices the right people to, to go into that line of work. Like we're going to be in a whole world of shit. Right. A hundred percent. Okay. So another one one so my son

this is probably three years ago so he's probably like first grade maybe so my son comes home from school and i'm like what's up jack how was school today and he's like oh you know this girl keeps bothering me i'm like oh yeah what'd she do he's like we were standing in line and she like she grabbed my wiener and i was like i don't think he said a wiener he said something else i don't remember what he called it but it was something else but he's like grab grab my dick whatever and i was like what do you mean like like what do you mean and he's like he's like i was standing in line she turned around she like grabbed it and i was like like she was trying to hurt you or and he was like, like she was trying to hurt you or, and he's like, yeah, it hurts. She's like,

dad, she's like grabbed it hard. I don't like, what the fuck is this? I told his mom, I need to talk to the teacher at school. Like, I don't know what the fuck's going on here,

but like, this isn't cool. Right. Imagine Joe showing up and you're the teacher at school. Well, I almost did. So I almost did. So,

so she talks to the teacher and she tells the teacher what's going on. It's like, Hey, not a huge deal, but like, could you say something that she's like oh i'm making a statement to the class about people keeping them hamster themselves or whatnot like cool no big deal whatever you thought at the time as little kids like yeah they are little kids they're like little kids i don't know he's like first grade yeah how do you like six or seven there yeah something little like it's not like he has a huge dick to grab though you know what i mean it's like whatever so she like tells

him i was like oh we're gonna make a statement of class no problem then a couple days later now i'm asking him like hey did you go to school i was cool you know did so and so nice things like no she did it again and i'm like are you sure like what's going on here like what what happened he's like I don't know I'm standing in line

she's always fucking with people and she like fucking grabbed me hard I was like what did you do and he's like

I just told her like ow stop and I'm like fuck as like a parent which is kind of cool because it was like

my first time as like a parent being in any type of situation like this so it was kind of like you gotta wrap your brain around it you don't want to react emotionally or whatever and so i'm like all right this is a problem because this is the first time my son's ever come to me

in an uncomfortable situation talking about sexual whatever right it's like i need to this is a big deal and then he came to me we went to the teacher and she told us she was going to take care of it that's not being taken care of. These people are just watching my kids six hours a day. You know what I mean? So the mom went and talked to the teacher again, or I think the principal. And the principal, no, I went, and I left a message. I went to talk to the principal, and the principal wasn't there that day.

And I left a note. I couldn't even write. I went to talk to the principal. The principal wasn't there that day. And I left a note. I had the, I couldn't even write. I was mad. So I had the assistant. Principal was probably hiding under the desk. The principal. He was there.

He was like, oh shit. The assistant principal, I expressed vocally my concern for the situation. I'm sure they love that. And she says she would for sure have her call me back. So she calls me back and she leaves me a message and says yeah i read your thing or i understand what's going on we're gonna have a school resource officer come and talk to jackson tomorrow no fucking way you're

gonna have so this is what how this goes nowadays what's a resource officer's like a fucking cops in schools is what they have now okay these have they have cops in schools so they call them resource officers but they're dressed up like fucking cops with guns and badges or whatever this kid's seven years old and my son is already scared of the police now I know what everyone's listening is gonna think of course you're scared of police all this guy talks about is police brutality but that's not why he's scared he's scared of police and I don't talk about my kid in front of my kids but he's scared of police because when you're six years old every time you see on the news anytime you see a cop on a tv show they're always arresting you you're always getting in trouble there's never like good stories about

cops anymore there's any time in any tv show it's like a bad cop or whatever it's not the winslows anymore right carl and there's not no starsky and hutch yeah when i was a kid like the police would drive by and they like wave to you, give you candy and shit. And now it's like you ask a cop at Chipotle for the time and he's like, oh, it's like bad Santa. I'm on my fucking lunch break. So I called her and I was like, I'm not okay with you having a cop interview my six-year-old son about this little girl grabbing his dick. I was like,'s not i was like i'm not okay with that she's like well we're gonna do it tomorrow and i'm like so you're saying

that whether i give you permission or not you're still gonna talk to my son without without me being present she's like yeah and i was like okay my son's not going to school anymore and i pulled the son out come to find out that little girl's dad is a cop how does that go the dad's gonna feel embarrassment about what's going on with his daughter. So they're going to put it on my little half black kid. You know what I mean? It's going to be this big fucking ugly thing.

Now, my son, the one time that he came to his dad about something that was bothering him about his balls. I've had some girl grabbing his balls. Now he gets in trouble and gets scared by the police that like now he's never going to come to me and talk to me about anything like that again because he doesn't where did she learn to do that exactly where did she learn to do that but that would be another thing

that would go back toward the family and be embarrassing toward this cop family that is a gnarly gnarly fucking story right and that's how easily these people would put your kid in a situation or like the police having no accountability to like what they're doing you know what i mean let's just so i pulled him out of that school he didn't go back yeah i don't know what the i don't know what the answer is it's like we've gotten to this place where i think like what i think this whole year to me and like this rant i did the other day about COVID and like, I think the whole thing is there cannot be exceptions to rules, right? Like if you're going to, if, if we're going to all live under one rule of law, that has to be the rule of law that applies to everybody equally, right? If you're going to, if you're going to put COVID

mandates in place, then it has to be equal. Everybody has to follow. If not, then like, it can't exist. And I think this, we've gotten to this place in the world where like, there's exceptions to the rule based on who you are, where're from what you do like people of power yeah and it's in and that like that breaks the whole system so like i think we can all agree like if like one thing i said the other day about kobe like sure lockdowns could have worked if we all followed in the whole country followed but the fact is is like we didn't and to bitch and moan and cry about what some people did and some people didn't is a waste of time because like the strategy did not work. And it's probably because we're set up in a free country where people have choice to do what they want.

So to sit here and posture and say, OK, we're going to keep things closed. Some things are essential. Some are not. Some people can some people can go in. Some people can't. Some like riots are OK, but going to the beach is not like that. It doesn't work. And it's just a common sense thing.

It's not a political thing. Same thing with police. Well, like Gavin Newsom's kids, like my kids aren't allowed to go to school right now. So my kids aren't allowed to have, to see their friends, to interact, to have like a normal fucking life experiences right now.

Which is a whole thing nobody's talking about with how it's affecting children. Bro, dude, it's so bad it's so bad like all summer my kids weren't allowed to play with his friends wasn't allowed to go anywhere and then he goes back to school and he's it's in a on a screen and there's like 30 kids in the in the screen you don't get to like talk to him back and forward like the interaction falling down hurting your knee meeting a girl getting your heart broke all of that shit not happening this year you You know, then you think about this, Gavin Newsom, his kids are at a private school. They're going to school right now. His winery open my gym closed, but his winery open, you know, and these

are the people that are creating this because there's no accountability and they can just do whatever they want. And it's based off of no science right you're saying that the lockdown didn't work well there's like uh 77 nfl players false positives they're like basing it off these like the numbers well we have all these new cases yeah but the deaths are going down oh but we're having all these new cases but you're having all these bad these bad tests you know it's just it's become like so first it was like very shocking to me. Like, oh my God, we're in like a lockdown scenario. Like it was scary to everybody. What the hell? And then the more you pay attention, the more like, wait, this is two plus two is not three,

you know, all of the, like, that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. And then it's like more things on us. They open your stuff up and then you close your, you know, what's really sad about it. Think of how many people's parents or relatives have died in hospitals, not from COVID-19 or maybe with COVID-19 and none of their, their family was able to go see them. They like died alone. Like my grandparents, both of my, all my grandparents passed away. And every time one of my grandparents was in the hospital,

one of us was there with them to make sure these nurses were being nice to them. One of us was there with them to make them feel better. If they're religious, we brought in a priest to make them feel better before they go off into the afterlife or whatever. How many people didn't get any of that stuff and were just alone and scared in a hospital and died because of a cold it's also heartbreaking to be pregnant right now because like part of being pregnant is you bring your significant other in and you get to watch the ultrasound and then when you have the baby you

obviously want your friends and family to come see i can't even imagine having a baby and you can't even have anyone in the hospital i I mean, there's so many layers. Even one of my girlfriends' kids is going to school. So it's in San Diego and she's going to school. And she said that this school separates all 30 of the kids. They make the kids social distance six feet from everyone. You cannot talk to anyone. You cannot touch anyone. During lunch, you have to sit completely away from each other on different sides of the

playground. Her son came home. He's like eight years old, bawling, crying. He says he has to sit and eat his lunch in a little tiny cubby by himself. It's really, it's a lot of ramifications. It's awful. And then if we're going off of like any sort of common sense, since the only thing that has not changed since day one is that no children have been at risk of this at all whatsoever. And we're taking away their, their school,

their ability to like develop their like basic development. We're taking away. Yeah. Our pediatrician was like, basically because obviously we have a young kid and we're like trying to figure out in the beginning, like, Hey,

how scary is this for the child? And he's like, listen, it's not even a rounding error of how little this affects children of a certain age and so we're like okay and then even for people like us like and here's the argument oh you guys are young you don't give a fuck about other people you're gonna get them sick and they're like that's the argument but my whole thing is like okay so you want to you want to stop the entire world to protect people that are already at risk. I understand the sentiment, but it doesn't work because the strategies don't actually

apply to real life. There's people still like, what's the difference of going to a grocery store or going to an office? We're all in there. We're all touching the same thing. We're on a plane the other day. Here's a good example. And listen, these planes, they don't give a fuck.

They're packing these things to the brim because they need to make that revenue. There was 300 people on a plane the other day here's a good example and listen these planes they don't give a fuck they're packing these things to the brim because they need to make that revenue there was 300 people on the plane we got on this plane just commercial flight no problem commercial flight on wearing the mask the whole time we're also gonna go okay wear the mask the whole time sit next to all these people you can take it off though to eat or drink so i'm like what okay fine so i'm just sit there and eat or drink the whole time it's off and then when you get off the plane they're yelling at you they're like social distance like we've been on the fucking plane together for the last three hours sitting next to each other elbow to elbow what is the what's the difference now or what about this one it's like a south park you have to wear you have to

wear a mask when you stand up in a restaurant okay fine no problem when you walk into the restaurant when you walk into the restaurant and when you get up to go to the bathroom but you sit down you get handed the menu by the host walk into the restaurant and when you get up to go to the bathroom. But you sit down. You get handed the menu by the hostess. The hostess leaves. Then you get the bread basket from the busser. And then you get your drink order. And the bartender takes the ice, puts it in, puts the garnish, hands it to the waiter.

The waiter comes, drops it off, takes your food order that he gets from the chef. There's a bunch of chefs in the kitchen. Then the expediter comes out and drops your food. Like you said, it doesn't add up that doesn't make sense you're you're in so much interaction with everyone but then you have to wear a mask i think people live in a make-believe world where they think the virus chooses to go to certain places and chooses not to i'm like bro it doesn't it doesn't give a shit it's a virus it goes anywhere do you know how many people die michael a year of diarrhea in this country no but i'm sure you're gonna tell me how many 1.4 million of diarrhea diarrhea i didn't i missed that pandemic 1.4 million we better all start you know taylor you better be careful diarrhea tay Diarrhea. Taylor, he's at risk for diarrhea.

He's got that. I just think that. Well, it's not a funny thing, but this is what I can't stand is like, and there's a million other stats like that, that I'm sure you can find. And like, I think the CDC just released that, like of all the deaths they've reported.

And listen, it's the CDC or whatever, but they reported that they could only actually attribute 9,000 deaths to solely covid deaths right and so you're starting to think i'm like listen we have a population of what 300 plus million people how many of like i people are going to get mad they here's the thing there's a quote and i can't remember that i posted but like people want to believe things and they want to attach themselves to causes and they want to believe in a media narrative and i've said from the beginning and listen i've actually had media people write in and said i

like that i'm a dick for saying this but like i think the media has done a terrible service to the mainstream media has done a terrible service to this country this you're freaking people out scaring people there's been no narrative on how to boost your immune system and how to actually guard yourself against something like this it's all been about hiding oh you're fucked shut down i think it's it it just spread fear. Fear, fear. People forget these are huge businesses.

They're selling shit like that. I'm sorry. It's true. A hundred percent. There's not, that doesn't mean there's bad that all journalists are bad. It just means like these are massive enterprises that are trying to get ratings.

Right. Exactly. Like if they were, if they were a writer for any other talk or any other show, any, any series, their, their job would make 30 minute segment that was

exciting and fucking whatever right and that's what they're doing in the news and they don't even care about what they said the day before you know it's bullshit but no no real pandemic needs to why are they incentivizing hospitals thirteen thousand dollars to have a case of course you're going to have people saying that they have cases when they're you know false positives or whatever assuming it's a case thirty thirty six thousand dollars if somebody dies of covid so then you got all these people that like died of a car accident oh but they had covid we know this guy that his brother went to get a test and waited in line waited in line waited in line and said fuck it i'm not gonna do this and left he opened the mail two weeks later and got a positive test and he never took the test what's incredible to me is i posted

this rant the other day it's on my instagram highlights also like i and i never leave a highlight it's the only highlight i have and where the fuck is my highlight the reason i put it up there is because there's no baby highlight yeah what's your birth year job there's no you and your rant there's but the interesting your child. You and your rant. It was a good rant. It was a good rant. The interesting thing to me was I figured, okay, this is going to split the audience that I have there. It's a limited audience, but it's going to split and some are going to be really angry and some are going to be happy.

I'm not just making this up and I don't have any dog in the fight. Overwhelmingly, and the most messages I've actually ever got to my social channel of people quietly saying, thank you for saying something. I'm so scared to say something like people are attacking. And I'm like, that's very interesting. Like, why would people be scared to voice how they actually think? It's because you get these social justice warriors that go in and attack them if they go against the mainstream grain. It's like, yes, we all care about lives. But what people are not factoring in is like, COVID lives are not the only lives affected by this pandemic and this shutdown. Nobody's factoring in what's going on with addicts, what's going on with children, what's going on with people that are losing their jobs. Nobody's questioning the emotional instability that's happening across this country, the negative headspace that everybody's

in. Nobody's questioning saying like, hey, there's somebody that worked their whole life here and you're going to stress them out so bad now. You could be following every single fucking rule that people have put in place and still be completely fucked because other people aren't following and that's my problem like those people should have a voice to speak on say hey this is you know like if i want to take a chance i gotta take a chance like that's just how it is are like the people that have spent their whole life building a business from scratch you know and then you get you get shut down shut i mean if i if my business was seven thousand dollars a month rent and I didn't pay it, I didn't have any money coming in and I still had to pay that lease.

Oh, you don't have to pay the lease or your rent until after the thing opens up. But now you still owe eight months or was it seven months we're in right now? Yeah. How many mom and pop or small time restaurants or even big companies are going out of business while the billionaires make all the money? Well, you know, it's funny is like this business here. Like if I was being a selfish prick, like we've actually got a benefit, right? Like podcasting gets a benefit.

We don't need to be in the office. I can run a remote. Like it's, it's benefited from people jumping out of radio and from satellite and like coming into this medium. It's benefited from movie production, shutting down and video. But like this, we, I actually directly benefit from a shutdown, but I hate it for the country and I hate it for other people because it's hurting the majority of people. Someone wrote into me the other day that I would never even think about the wedding industry, for example. There's a shitload of people that work

in the wedding industry. You don't think about this. That's two years of business destroyed because they shut down everything. They got to move everything. What do those people do? Oh, just find a new career. She was like, oh, they got to pivot everything what do those people do i'll just find a new career like she was like oh they got to pivot and evolve yeah if it was like if if the thing is this is a man-made like you know people like oh the we're in a recession the economy's down the jobs like unemployment's like of course because people the government is stepping in and forcing people and mandating people to shut down which they should not have the power to do well so many people just only take the mainstream media as information and they don't look at anything else and if you look at anything else you're a conspiracy theorist but there's

shit tons of information all over all over the place outside of cnn msnbc right but like wuhan which is where it all started is having like massive pool parties and they're back to normal like how how is this how is that even possible and then a lot of these people that are all on the like no we should stay home and we should do all this they're making more money on unemployment than they made their whole lives at their regular regular jobs if they have regular jobs so they're of course promoting this and they want to keep going you're an and you're whatever but it's like there's so much in incentivization toward this shit going on between the media with unemployment i have a buddy in in ohio that has a sports bar and a lot of his

employees won't come back to work because they're making six hundred dollars a week more on unemployment but i figured like it would be a split audience i figured people would be like you know fuck this guy saying this and other people be excited but i'm telling you it was overwhelmingly people that are scared to say something being like thank you for saying something i wish more people would talk and i one thing that i think we can all agree on is when this first happened you have kids obviously you're you know you're a compassionate person when this first happened and we all didn't know what was going on everybody was scared everyone's like what the fuck is happening like is this an is this going to wipe us out like all of us were on board to say, okay, let's flatten the curve.

Let's dig a strategy. Let's band together and make sure that like, we can get through this. Everybody was like on board for that. But then like it, it, it got away from that narrative. It got away from, Hey, let's learn how to combat this too. Hey, this is the new norm that we're just going to accept. And that's something that I'm just not willing to accept.'m not willing to just say okay well just because you know like i'm not willing to just change and especially if the facts aren't lining up like i wish the media and the people in power to said okay we thought it was one thing maybe it wasn't as bad what would they predict three million deaths or something or millions of a few million deaths we didn't we so if you look at it from that lens we've actually did very well if we didn't get anywhere close to what these

people thought we were going to be at. And I wish they would have said, okay, like we thought it was X, turned out it's not. Maybe it's not nearly as bad as we thought it was. Still bad, still take precautions. If you want to wear the mask, wear the mask. You want to distance, distance. If you feel like you need to shut your business down, shut it down. If you feel like you need to hide, hide. But at the same time, like, hey, it actually wasn't as bad as we thought and here's some health precautions that you can take to boost your immune system so that you can combat it if you get it because it's also not going anywhere anytime soon and we may not have a vaccine that's

applicable for x amount of years nobody's doing that though it's fucking crazy and then you say stuff like you know the people in charge but like i don't feel like it's our government in charge i feel like it's like the media is in charge and But, like, I don't feel like it's our government in charge. I feel like it's, like, the media is in charge. Mark Zuckerberg is, like, telling stories and fucking Bill Gates and the who, whoever they are who are not our government, but they're part of this government that they're all pushing this shit

while our president is saying, like, is not on board with this whole thing. It's just very very weird what's going on and then the election's coming up and like we have we have like no choices here we have we have trump which everybody hates trump and then we have a guy who's literally like asleep like literally like the cognitive decline is ridiculous here we're gonna get into some territory for sure yeah i mean i it's it's a little bit disheartening that these are the two guys that we came up with for the entire country.

Come on. Yeah. Come on. It's a little bit, it's a little strange. And what I really hate about it is you got to kind of pick a side and it's like, I wouldn't want to be on either side. Right. With either of them.

Right. And that's like, that's the, you know what I think? I actually think that this is the, this, and it may not be quick, maybe the next 10, 20, 30 years, but the same thing with mainstream media. I think that over the next 10, 15, 20 years, you could be very socially liberal and say, like, I want the government completely out of marriage and choice and all these things. You're like, don't touch that. But you could also say, hey, I also don't want to maybe pay like massive amounts of taxes. The problem is with the way the parties are set up. There's no room to say, OK, like I can have that perspective. So you got to pick one which is extreme or the other which is extreme. And I just don't think people are going to be willing to tolerate that moving forward in the future, especially young people. Like that, you know, there's so many of these systems

that are not set up for a modern world. And so emotionally based, like I don't think politics have ever been so emotionally based before as what is going on now, right? Like the whole Black Lives Matter things. And if you don't if you don't agree with this then you're a hardcore racist or if you like this person you're an absolute racist and then it's like they just compound that with a whole bunch of other shit

it's really crazy times right now 2020 is not fucking around it's been a ride you know you talk out a lot and you take a stance on social media which i appreciate thanks what do you do with backlash when people come at you do you write back do you block them do you ignore it like what's your vibe there um sometimes most of the time i'll get people that are like i'll put up like the new cdc whatever says that they fucked up and like people will respond back with no this is this because you don't know how to read and blah blah blah and most of the time i just block them because i've gotten to a point now where it's like if you're not on my side or not like you shouldn't even be following me you know what i mean like i'm not i'm not gonna go back and forth with you i don't have time to start like a back

and forth argument with you it's like okay you believe what you want it's cool you started to send me a shitty message so fuck you you know no one is forcing anyone to follow anyone it's a choice that i feel like people need to take accountability if they choose to follow someone right i i completely agree it's like if someone doesn't like what i'm doing all you have to do is press unfollow yeah and the other thing is like they have like this which i guess started with like the whole like thing you know they were talking about how social media is really bad for like kids and stuff because they get so like triggered or like obsessed with the like and the encouragement and the whatever which i kind of get that but now they feel like because you followed me i owe you something right and it's like well i'm gonna unfollow you i'm like fucking unfollow me i didn't ask any of you to follow me i'm just doing shit and you guys like it or don't like it you

know what i mean my favorite thing is when people come and say like i'm triggered by this like i'm triggered you said something that triggered me i you posted something that triggered me you like all of the i'm like oh that's a you fucking problem yeah imagine like i don't go to your i don't go into your life and be like you said something like what do you mean if i feel triggered by something because we all have felt triggered by things i examine why i feel triggered instead of blaming someone else i examine why is that bothering me what what is in me what experience did i have that's making me feel like this well the question is is like if somebody's making you feel bad or if you like say you listen to this show and it's like hey this makes me feel bad like turn it the fuck off like honestly right

now if you're listening you're pissed turn it off like go there's i think the last i checked there was 1.4 million podcasts in existence i'm sure there's something there's something for everybody out there for sure but like if you're coming to somebody's page or podcast or you whatever the hell you're going to it's because you're finding some enjoyment there or you're wanting to learn if you're not then like what are you doing there's a lot of other options if you're going to, it's because you're finding some enjoyment there or you're wanting to learn. And if you're not, then like, what are you doing? There's a lot of other options. If you're on Instagram, I know you guys know this, but to the world, if you're on Instagram, that feed that you have, you created it.

Like you're creating that. Like I want to see basketball. I want to see fighting. I want to see big booty black chicks. I want to, you know, whatever it is. If you created this thing that you don't want anymore just get rid of it but a lot of people now they especially now with the mental mental health stuff with all the stuff going on is people need to be heard people want to get their opinion out there so they'll follow people that they know they don't like their

opinion just so they can write negative stupid shitty shit and it's like if you're not mature enough to unfollow me when you don't like it, I'm just going to block you. So you don't, I'm going to, I'm going to be the bigger person for you. Like you don't need to see this. Yeah. But then most of them go create a troll account and come back anyway. My block list is fucking astronomical. You know my favorite thing to do?

Yeah, blocking is my new thing lately too. If you're an asshole, like there's no one like forcing you to be on the page. I got a tip for both of you. Have you guys ever heard of the restrict function? No, what's that? You ever heard of restrict? Okay, so. Oh, yeah, I think I have, but go ahead.

I don't block anybody anymore. I restrict them. And now people that are gonna like be like, what the hell does that mean? Maybe I'm restricted. So restricting means that they can still follow you and they can still see everything you're doing and they can still comment, but nobody else can see their comments or their engagement, but you.

And so what I get, I get a silent little laugh knowing that like someone's restricted and they think they're making a point. It doesn't bother me because I just ignore it, but nobody else can see and engage them. So it's like, you're talking into a vortex and a funnel for nobody. So they write a paragraph just- And nobody can see it. Oh, and they're so pumped. And they're like, just checking it throughout the day. Like, do anybody like it yet? Nobody paragraph just and nobody can see it oh and they're so pumped and they're like just checking it throughout the day like anybody like it yet nobody likes it nobody

can see it nobody can see it but me and them and like you have to click a function that says unrestricted i think it's one of the best functions that instagram because what i do is like if someone's a troll i want them to waste more of their time on their wasting time and you want the follower and i want the fall you still want the follow i gotta get that i don't want to lose that one you know listen i gotta run a business here right but no i just think that's that's funny because i i look about it and kind of like have a silent laugh to myself i'm like this person is sitting here wasting so much time it's not bothering me at all it's just you know i'm gonna just continue doing what i'm doing but nobody can see it and they're just out there it's like watching the media like you You're either a Fox person or a CNN person.

We're all kind of, I think, in that thing now. And it's like, how dumb would it be for me to watch one of those networks that I don't agree with and just sit at home and fucking, motherfucker, fuck, fuck, fuck, and then go back to the other one and be like, oh, yeah, this is so much better. Just don't watch that one. But the problem is that you're only getting your information from that one. But that's what people are doing when they're creating their feed like that.

I just feel like, and I've said this a lot, I just choose to consume like five people's content. That's it. Or else it becomes too overwhelming. And it has to be people that are bringing good energy. I just don't do it. And if you're trolling and you're writing shit on people's Instagram, I feel like that's a waste of time. But that's what, I mean, that's why I appreciate it and liked what you did.

Like, cause listen, I'm somebody that would probably be in the camp of that. And I, we just talked about on the show that I think like we need to have responsible police precincts and refunding and like open the doors for good cops to come in. You're like, okay, there's obviously things that you need to be aware of here for people like that you know should not be in positions of power and like that's a good thing to get a conversation started but like i'm not going there and getting triggered and then like going and and like losing my mind i'm saying okay this is good for me to be aware of to have a civil discourse and conversation like this but i think some like we've gone to a place where people don't want to have conversations anymore.

They're like, it has to be one way or the other. And they're trying to solve gray area problems with black and white solutions. Like they said, they got to be black or white and then obviously race, but like it's either got to be this solution or that. And it's a blanket solution that applies everything. I'm like, these are complex problems

that need very heavy conversation and thought behind. It just can't be like, we either do this or that. It's not how the world works. It's like you do this or that, but with that comes these other, like, I'm Republican, but if I'm Republican, I don't, like, abortion and this and that and whatever. Like, you choose one side and you fight for it emotionally, even though half the shit on that side you don't agree with.

Instead of going down the line with what you want or you're making a logical decision about who you want, you know what I mean? They tack on all this other shit. We can talk about the homeless, for example. So if COVID-19 is real and we all have to shower and bathe and poison, which is what sanitizer is that we're shoving on our hands all day long, it's poison, we have to do that or we're going to get sick and die.

Yet the homeless population is out of fucking control. Since this whole thing. The only thing that's thriving during this whole pandemic is the billionaires are becoming trillionaires and the homeless are quadruple fine. Well, you're qualifying, you'll think about some of the policies that they've done here in California, you know, obviously, the homeless problem is a big problem here in California. And we're compassionate, empathetic people that obviously you want to help as many people as you can. But so what California does say, okay, like there's a drug problem here

in San Francisco. Let's create a policy that makes it so that we're not going to prosecute drugs. We're going to create a system where homeless can throw away their needles. In LA, they're going to put a policy in place that says, hey, if they're putting tents or things outside of businesses or houses, it's considered personal property. You can't remove it. And the intention there is to be good, right? Like, I don't think that was a bad, I don't think people would put those policies in place to be bad people. I think the intention's right. But then they don't understand what the ramifications are. It's more drug use, more homeless problem, more people being put in danger by having, you know, like, for example, I have a friend has a nice, you know, middle class neighborhood front yard.

And there's a bunch of homeless tents set up in front of his front yard. His little girl was out and playing in the front yard the other day. And there's a homeless guy taking a shit in the planner right in front called the cops. Cops say, I can't remove them. The guy's like, well, I'm going to fucking remove them. Cops says, okay, just do it when we're not looking. It's like this, you know, these good intentions are, you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And I think like we are seeing ramifications and it's because people try to take complex issues and solve them with this or that, you know, one or the other solve. And it doesn't work. These are complex issues. So what's the move there? Does your friend remove himself? Does he beat him up? Does he drag his tent down the street? Like what does he do? Well, that's, that's the question, right? If the police can't help you there, John Greenewald But hypothetically, what do you think he does?

John Greenewald What do I think he does? John Greenewald If it was me, I would, I would, we know he would not be there. Right? So Katie Grant I don't think he'd go to your house. John Greenewald I mean, any in any way, whether it was physical or not, like his shit and him wouldn't be in front of my house for my kids. But now am am I a racist or am I a bad person? Am I, because I'm going against the bullshit rule

that they made or whatever? You know what I mean? Like at what point can citizens stand up for what, when the government's not doing that for them correctly? Yes, I mean, that's the whole reason government should be in place. And I think like, you know, we probably agree, like I don't want the government in all my business,

but at the same time, we want basic protections where if, like, I don't know the exact solution but i can tell you that if i had a front yard for a house that i worked really hard for and my daughter was playing there and there was a homeless person taking a shit in a planner in front of her with a tent there like i'm not going to allow that if the police aren't going to help me then no it's not like okay well i guess like he gets to live there and shit there and she gets to play like that's not going to happen like i'm going to do something my own and like this is where this is where the country's going this is what's going to happen and there's going to be certain people

are like i'm not going to tolerate this anymore so if there's riots protests turned into riots turns into destroying people's property and the police aren't going to stop it then citizens do but now citizens stand up and they start protecting it themselves this is that pivotal point now this is the media this shit happens like now you're now you're separating like who's the good and who's the bad here yeah like if you i think anybody that's listening if i said hypothetically you were sitting in your house and somebody showed up at your house and started throwing shit through your window and trying to burn your property or whatever, like, and, and you knew that nobody was coming to help you. There's nobody you can call nobody to help you. Do you a run away and

leave it and let it go? Or do you be stand up for yourself? I think it depends the type of person you are, but you can't be expected to just do nothing. And if you do, and imagine, then you do something to defend yourself. And then the next day, people are like, this person is X, Y, Z. He's against X, Y, Z. He hates this. It's like, no, it's like, there's obviously people within that that don't fall into that category.

But I think the majority of people would identify with that message. I wouldn't tolerate that. I wouldn't let that happen to my house or my business or my children. We're human beings at the end of the day. with that message, be like, I wouldn't tolerate that. I wouldn't let that happen to my house or my business or my children, whatever. Like it's, you know, like we're human beings at the end of the day. I also feel like we're getting to a place

where everyone is so sensitive about everything and it's like, what's that game when we were little with the lights everywhere where we had to like step over the lights

and go under the lights and like, like laser tag or something. Like, you don't know where to sort of go because you're worried that people are going

to just freak out. I mean, I know as an influencer, like we have to be very, very careful with what we say. Well, I think what's happened here with cancel culture, personally for me, is that we've gone so, like if everything is cancelable, every action, like everyone's tiptoeing around what to say, not say, you say the wrong thing. If we've gone that far, like I was going to do an episode called The Little Cancelers That

Cried Wolf. And what happens is with someone in my position is like, I think about it now. And I'm like, if every single time somebody says something that other people don't agree with, and they go and attack and say cancel, what happens is I become numb to it. So now I don't know what to pay attention to anymore. Now I actually don't know what's a cancelable offense and what's not. Sure, there's extreme examples, but like, I think we've all gotten to the point where we're desensitized to it. So the things we actually should be paying attention to and saying, hey, that's not okay. We're all ignoring because everybody's in a rut about everything. That's my fear with the whole cancel, all the stuff that's going on right now. So you if you just go into this man there's so

many topics i could go with this i don't even want to go to but like if you just start canceling everything and you just go off oh that offends them get rid of it oh it offends them get rid of it oh they need three bathrooms now and my kids school you know now they need three bathrooms or whatever and six months a, three years from now, we're all going to like wake up and be like, what the fuck happened to America? Where the fuck are we? I think it's happening.

I think people are like, this is getting out of, like not everything can be a cancelable offense. I mean, in 2020, like I don't remember the last, I mean, maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I don't remember people being so offended and this offensive shit being so important like when i'm pretty sure when i was a kid or when my parents were kids if you're offended it was like get the fuck over it like move on don't talk to that person whatever but now it's like i'm offended

this needs to go oh my god oh my god and then it's name it's just tattletailing and name calling and like little kid shit is now like huge in this country imagine if everyone that was offended took the energy and put it towards something productive anything well think about the places in the world that are like you know hard hard places to live where you don't have basic resources or protection you you know you know there's there's certain places in the country where like you know people are starving to death you know people are you know you have they have nothing. And imagine if you sit here and they're like,

okay, what are your problems? Like somebody said something mean to me on the internet and I'm mad about it. And I'm triggered. They look at you like, get the fuck over it, man. Like grow up.

Right. And then our media does it. Our news channel does it. Like, can you believe so-and-so said this? And like, aren't you offended too? Let's do a two-hour segment on how

we're all fucking upset about it it's just insane it's fucking insane it's a lot of manipulation too lots going on yeah so with fighting now switching gears we're going back yeah we're going to fighting what is your plan do you want to do product is it to own a bunch of gyms like are you going to continue to keep fighting what's your overall plan i own a bunch of gyms? Like, are you going to continue to keep fighting? What's your overall plan? I own a gym now. It's going well. I'll probably open a couple more, maybe.

I'm going to keep fighting until... Until the wheels fall off? Yeah, until the wheels fall off. How long do you think? Like, how long can you actually do it? Depends on if I keep winning, you know? I think it'll show, you know? But I think I could probably get it in four or five years, maybe more.

It depends. And maybe move out of L.A. I'm definitely looking at moving out of L.A., for sure. I think a lot of people are. Did COVID trigger that? Not so much COVID, but I think COVID made all of us start to wake up and pay attention. I don't think anyone's paid more attention to politics this year like more so than we have officially this year i just started seeing that like not just presidential elections but like on every the local all the local levels the governors

the sheriffs the you know all these other people do a lot of and we're not paying attention to it but i started thinking about why do i live in california because if you're not in california it is insanely expensive here for for rent for property for taxes for parking for i mean every our car our car registration like everything is just insanely expensive here and throughout covid i just started paying attention like why do i live here what what am i exactly the question i started asking myself what am i getting out of this it's the cool place to be that's exactly the answer that i came up and i go whoa that's my ego right and then he started thinking like what's cool about it well it's sure not cool right now there's no clubs there's no

life there's no hollywood's really fucked up right now i got a lot of shit going on and then everything's shut down and then it's like but my rent's still the same and my school district's still the same and my property tax is still the same and my it's like there's a lot of people that are really happy in other states and i feel like i don't see the the attraction so much anymore used to be about the water, like, oh, it was the beach. But when I moved out here from Ohio when I was 19, I was like, oh, I'm going to be at the beach every day. I can't wait.

I'm fucking just surfing. And then I got to Venice Beach, and I saw how dirty it was and how freezing cold the water was. I'm like, I don't really ever go to the beach here. When I go to Mexico or I'm on vacation, I'm like beach every day. I love it here. But California beach is not it's not it's not all that for me and like you said like you get such a small piece of property for it's so much money when you could be living more peacefully with a

bigger place somewhere else and then there's just so much more regulations that we we deal with here and like firearms to like pollution cars like i'm big into like cars and building like a kind of a race car type thing yeah like we there's parts you can't order here there's like there's guns you can't buy here there's just all kinds of shit here and it's like what what can i do here and i'm not please tell me what can i do maybe one thing if the state was thriving and it was like an example of, you know, a stellar economy, but the state's fucking broke as hell.

I mean, we just went through this heat wave, the power's out, people are starting to say, oh, you know, God, here, I'm gonna get attacked again, that it's climate control, global warming, all this stuff. I'm like, or maybe it's just the way that the system's set up and maybe it's these windmills and maybe we should look at other alternatives.

I don't know, but like, you know, we're in one of the biggest economies in the country and like the power's out and there's fires everywhere. Like those are complex issues once again. But you can't just say, oh, global warming. That's why they can't be the only reason. Well, then maybe it's some of the policies. Then they have this $600 EDD or whatever for people that are in pandemic, whatever, unemployment.

Right. And the first $600 runs out and they try to do extended for another one. And California is like, oh, no, no, no. We can't afford that. We can't afford to pay the $600 runs out, and they try to extend it for another one, and California's like, oh, no, no, no, we can't afford that. We can't afford to pay the $600. And the president's like, okay, well, how about $400? Like, no, no, no, we can't afford it. And they're like, how the fuck can you guys not afford it when we pay so much more in taxes,

so much more in parking tickets and bullshit and all this stuff? It's like, what are you guys spending your money on? And they're going to hike taxes again. Yeah, for sure. And then, and I heard the Newsom's trying to do like a move out tax. Did you hear about this shit?

That if you move out of, I don't think they'll be able to pass. If you move out of California, that they will still tax you California from California for the next like 10 years, some astronomical thing. And even if they can't make that, they should think about incentivizing people to stay.

Right. And even if they can't make that. Maybe they should think about incentivizing people to stay. Right. And even if they can't make that work, what kind of motherfucker would even try to attempt to make that work? Like who would try to get that bill passed? And it's like, these are not the people I want to be in charge of what I'm doing. And if I'm picking teams, Texans seem to like have their shit together.

You know, you got property, they got guns, they got money, you know, fucking having a good time austin's beautiful i heard i mean great weather it's just been like a complete shit show and like what what i hate about it is like it again this is my biggest problem is why i don't typically

get political on these shows it's like it's either one side or the other and i hate that narrative it's like why can't we just have a conversation about what's going on with our power okay what's going on with our police prec Okay. What's going on with our police precincts? What's going on with the way we're taxed? What's going on with the home? Like they can't, there's no conversation and isolated issues. It's like, well, you're either one way or the other. And it's like, that's not how the world works. Like there's no, like if I just said in my personal relationship with Lauren, like Lauren, I'm either this way or not. Like she'd be like, no, you're going to have to figure out how to meet in the middle. Like that's everything in business and relationships, parenting, you got to figure out,

you're going to weigh both sides. You got to have a logical conversation. You got to take each thing issue by issue and go through it in a logical way. But when it comes to things that become politicized, it's either you're on this side or that side. And if you're not on this side, you're a bad guy. If you're on this side, you're a good guy. It's like, it's not how the world works. Or you shouldn't have an opinion at all. you should just give it to them and let them make the decision for you yeah that's i think it's good to get on a mic and question the status quo for sure i think you should be asking questions all day long my favorite thing is when people like what do you think and then you say what you think they're like well now i fucking hate you

because it's like well you why do you care what i think then like you either want me to stay neutral you want me to say something but if i question anything that you disagree with now i I'm a bad guy. Like there used to be a, there was a time in this world where you could have a conversation to opposing. It's like, there's so many people that come on this show. I'm like, Hey, I don't agree with that, but I want to have a conversation and see like, why did they think that way? Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I can understand their perspective better. Maybe they've had a different experience and that's the way they came to their thoughts. Like that's, that's how's how human beings work you know it can't just be like hey you're either this or that and if you're not this then i hate you and i'm not always right i'm just very easy to change

my mind and i'm like oh shit yeah michael was right i was wrong but no one else can do that these days you know what i mean like that's unimaginable because they're so emotionally invested and triggered in the topic or what they think that's a lot of other shit going on now it's like a lot of people are getting are breaking up a lot of relationships are getting like destroyed during this covet thing because i think a lot of people are going through their own mental issues of dealing with all this shit and then your partner is going through her or his mental issue but you're so focused on your own crap that's going on before you know it,

you're assuming that they think this or whatever. It's like a lot of, I've probably had four or five students where they're like completely split. Also to just be in a space with someone, I think a lot of people are realizing they don't even like the person that they're with. Right.

Because they weren't forced to be in the space and now they are. What are you trying to say? Well, they liked, sometimes you're annoying. They liked certain parts of it. And that was what they got out of their relationship with them because they had this whole other aspect of their life that they were able to conduct and

do. And then you take all of that stuff out. And then like, I mean, obviously I'm like a fitness industry person, but like mental health and like working out and it's like I mean obviously I'm like a fitness industry person but like mental health and like working out and getting that that relief or that getting that stress out or whatever and nobody's able to do that no gyms are open nobody's eating healthy nobody's doing any of that they're sitting at home

getting wasted unhappy miserable next to their partner it's by far the most and I've only been alive here of 30 plus partner. It's by far the most, and I've only been alive here for 30 plus years, but it's by far the most negative I've ever felt the world. There is so much negativity out there where people are just had enough and that's also contributing. We're now in an election year and all these things

and we're locked in the house and there's a virus. If there was an Armageddon, this is how it starts. People just hate each other. They're so angry. They're so sad. They're so upset. They're scared. And I think that's why I've been so outspoken about this lockdown. I'm like, listen, let people take a risk if they want to or not. Let them get back to normal life. Let's see if that clears up some mental. Let's see if it puts a little bit more positivity in the world and gets you like, oh, like a breath for a second, like breathe in and be like, oh, oh okay like we're okay

i have a selfish question that i have to ask you if you're someone of my size and a girl what would you recommend that we do for self-defense like you're you're gonna say carry pepper spray take a defense class like what do you what would you do if you were talking to your daughter i don't know about for my daughter but i think that people should learn how to carry firearms and carry firearms right now that would be my suggestion i would get like a ccw and learn to defend yourself that way i think that martial arts is obviously a good thing but i think that's not it's a scary place right now you know what i mean i would get it i would get again That way. I think that martial arts is obviously a good thing, but I think that's not. It's a scary place right now. You know what I mean?

I would get it again. Okay. That's probably like a way darker answer. No, I asked. Kickboxing? Yeah, I thought you were going to say take a self-defense class. Yeah, I don't think the self-defense classes are. It's like, what am I going to do if there's a huge guy?

Yeah. I mean, if Michael wants to do something to you, you're not going to be able to stop him. I don't know. Even with self-defense classes. No, but it's like what am i gonna do if there's a huge guy yeah i mean if michael wants to do something to you you're not gonna be able to stop it i don't know even with self-defense no but it's true i mean listen i think i've heard was it you talking was it you rogan talking about or not when it's like if you you know you could take a very capable one but if you like a guy like you you go and attack even the most capable woman like you're a huge guy that can really do some damage like unless you have something that gives you an unfair advantage like that like you're not you're fucked like you're not yeah not even like a big guy like it's the average guy versus a equipped girl is still gonna be it's gonna be bigger and stronger and more aggressive and more angry and more dangerous you know what i mean they have for

the on that instance they have handguns i actually just bought one for my son they have handguns they look like guns they work like guns it's like a co2 powered it has like a clip magazine like guns but it shoots metal or rubber hard rubber balls 18 shots shoots money in the face it's not illegal you carry it so what about a little girl like say there's like a 10 year old girl going to school. What would you say to that? You obviously can't carry a gun when you're 10. What do you do? Yeah, definitely can't carry a gun. I would talk to, like I do talk to my kids about knowing their surroundings and knowing who they're, who they're with and then make them very clear to them. How do they, how do they speak to people? Who do they not speak to? How do they control their distance

and know their know their surroundings? Again, I'm not a self-defense expert by any means, but I think those are really important right now. And especially with kids, there's a lot of like, you constantly keep hearing all of these stories of these sex trafficking and child trafficking. How is that story in Georgia not one of the biggest stories in the country right now with 40 children, 40 young children that were just freed from being abducted like how is that not one of how is that not on every there was like 100 in michigan and like 150 in ohio and there's like when you talk about the media

skewing and not giving information it's way more important for them to push this the black lives matter protests slash riots and the trump tweeted something stupid is so much more important than like our children are being abducted and raped but nobody's talking about that there's a girl that i follow her name is coco and she is a trafficking survivor and her parents trafficked her from the time she was 2 to 14 years old. So dark. And she thought it was normal because obviously it's her parents and she lived a completely normal life. She would go to school,

she'd cheerleading practice, straight A's, would come home and her parents would sell her at night to police officers, lawyers. These are all her words. Politicians, businessmen. Politicians. And so when she was 14,

she was watching a commercial on TV and she saw an abuse commercial and she realized what was going on and she escaped. And she's now becoming a lawyer for other kids that are being trafficked. And she said that a lot of these little girls, they end up becoming prostitutes or drug addicts. They don't they don't know. So she's really speaking out against it. But she she says she needs protection all the time. Because and I think that's maybe why the media is not talking about it. Because it's such a it's

such a huge issue when there are powerful people involved with it. Yeah, I think the media is not talking about it because the people that are involved or could be implemented in it are people that are big supplier or funders of these media organizations and of these things they're all interconnected and that should be the biggest news that we talk about constantly right now and instead we're talking about a cold that kills 9 000 out of 100 billion she said she goes why aren't people marching for the children? Yeah. And then when they did have that in Hollywood, zero coverage, zero coverage of it. None. Well, this is why I think these media, like I've said it on this show, like that, I think

traditional media channels are going to die because what's going to happen is like, listen, this is a minor media property compared to what we're talking about. But with more and more people getting like, there's no gatekeeper to a podcast. There's no gatekeeper to someone like a Joe Rogan or an NPR or a serial or this show. Like there's like, there's no, like, there's no big money that comes in and says, you can and can't do this. Or like, you know, we have to be careful not to piss this person off or that. Like, sure.

Maybe you lose some advertisers and you lose some listeners, but then you gain more. And I think that's the beauty of the internet is a lot of this stuff cannot be hidden anymore, but there's still a segment of the population that goes to mainstream media. And it's like, you could not have had the conversation we just had on a mainstream media. You'd go and you'd be screaming on one side, somebody else would be screaming on another, it'd be five minutes,

and then it would go back to something else that's click-baiting. Like that's how it happens. So people can't get the real information. In theory, what you said is true, but like if you did get a big enough following and you were a massive, and you did have enough eyes on you there would still probably be those same people that are controlling the media and trying to control like getting at you and making

sure that you don't talk about the wrong thing it's gonna be harder though because if you think about like a cnn or a fox news or an nbc like there's only so many slots that can air right like where you know like if you're you know a cuomo or a carl tucker center whatever these guys are like they they fight for spots and they fight for prime time because there's only so many amount of eyes that tune in at specific times but if you're something like this like you could be this show could be going on while a million other shows are going on and people can pick and choose and so they can get big on their own without being limited to the gatekeepers of what those mainstream media platforms have provided does that make sense and i can watch this whenever i want you know this

exact episode you are welcome to come back on the show anytime i have a question before you leave i've been waiting okay we know okay so where is this coming from he's been jacking off to porn in the back so he just we just got his attention so wait, wait. First you got to read what's the headline of the porn that you're watching. Oh, it's dark. It's dark. Okay. So earlier you mentioned movies. I'm curious.

Have you seen and which one do you like more? Because you spoke about an underground fight that took place. Bloodsport or the kickboxer with Jean-Claude Van Damme because those are kickboxing, correct? They talk about the Kumite fighting. What do you think of those movies? I've seen both movies. Actually, Kickboxer 1 with Van Damme was probably one of the first times that I realized

that kickboxing was an actual sport. It wasn't like a martial art because most of that movie is super far-fetched and they're fighting with glass and weird shit. But there were scenes throughout the movie where Van Damme, after he was trained, would have a fight in a stadium

and all of a sudden there's a ring and there's guys with these multicolored shorts and it's like boxing, but they're kicking it. So that was cool. Bloodsport was a huge part of my childhood too. What's the ruling on a guy like Van Damme? He's somebody that's a serious... So, was cool. Blood sport was a huge, huge part of my childhood too. So I guess. What's the ruling on a guy like Van Damme? It's like, he's somebody that's like a serious. So funny story.

Yeah, that's where I was going. My next question was about that. Like say you and your prime, Van Damme and his prime, like you worried about Van Damme? No, no, no. If you had to fight one of those early guys. Bruce Lee actually is the same thing. Like you have actors and then you have athletes, right?

Like it's just not the same. Who do you think is the best thing. Like you have actors and then you have athletes, right? Like it's just not the same. Who do you think is the best fighter in history? The best fighter in history? Well, that's like such a broad. It's a big history. I think Mike Tyson is probably up there. Dude, have you seen that fucking guy lately? Yeah.

What the hell's going on there? Have you seen Mike Tyson lately? No, what does he look like? He's like fully back and scary as hell. Yeah, he dropped like a ton of weight. He's all juiced up. Is he going to fight Roy Jones soon? He's supposed to fight Roy Jones.

What do you think of Steven Seagal? I've heard he's a real clown. Yeah. Steven Seagal has a really strong reputation of being like a quack. Like being completely delusional about martial arts and says things like, I never fought in the UFC because my techniques are too dangerous. It would kill people.

So you have to, you know. That was my best Steven Seagal impersonation we talked through. But yeah, he seems like a weirdo. There was Joe Rogan was telling a story on one of his podcasts where there was a trainer who choked him out and he shit himself or something.

Yeah, Gene LaBelle. That's a funny story. Choked Joe out? No, choked him out and he shit himself or something? Yeah, Gene LaBelle. That's a funny story. Choked Joe out? No, choked Steven Seagal out. Steven Seagal tried to challenge people, I guess, back in the 80s or whatever. Have you and Joe ever fought? No.

Never? He had a... Not this past time I was on his show, but one of the times before that, he had just built his badass studio that he's in now which is fucking there's like a spaceship not that one in texas but the the one he was at here is really really nice and uh it's like a museum there's all these badass artwork and he's got like his cars in there but he has like a nice gym in there too and he has this it's like

a pad on the wall that's like electronics and you hit it and it'll tell you how hard you hit right and so uh we're there and it's like showing it to me so we start kicking it and i'm assuming that i'm gonna kick harder than joe rogan not the case so joe does so joe's like really winding up just kicking the fuck out of this thing and i'm like frustrated so i'm trying to kick it harder and my kicks looked better but his were a little heavier he ends up beating me and ends up on the internet and he's like joe rogan kicks harder than professional kickboxer joe shilling this last time i went on his show he was like bro remember last time you were here and kicking that thing i was like yeah he's like i tore my fucking meniscus i haven't been able to do shit ever since he tore his knee trying to beat me so i'm putting that out there i still won actually you know i'll

end this with one thing that again that i wanted to say earlier that i thought was funny so when i met joe i was picking him up down in the we're not picking up just meeting him down by the the ballet okay and it was that awkward like handshake like fist bump elbow bump thing because i didn't know it's totally weird hold on for sure made it for sure you that made it weird yeah you are so weird well so that's the whole thing is i was like okay like should i do the elbow because everyone's doing that or is it not that big of a deal and so should i go for the handshake he went for the handshake so then i kind of got thrown off and then i'm thinking oh he is kind of intimidating is he going to roundhouse kick me now in the head but no so you make everything weird man michael's like yeah taylor's gonna come downstairs and meet you and i'm like cool i wonder if Taylor's a girl or if it's a guy

I don't know and then I'm walking around the corner and he's like oh it's open Taylor so I reach to give the hand he does like the elbow and then we kind of meet with like a hand and then I like patted him on the back oh my god dude I'm so sorry is that how you have sex

no definitely not Taylor came on our podcast. Taylor had a really big problem with coming in one minute. So he's come on a lot of sex expert podcasts and learned that edging actually will help solve that. Edging? Yeah. What's edging? It's basically going almost to the edge of climax, but not all the way.

And then you back it down. Joe is so glad he didn't shake your hand. I feel like we could work on this. So what is... There's a reason there's a huge wall between you. What's your mental thought process when you're having sex and you come in a minute? See, I've tried anything.

I've tried anything and everything. Like even if you like look at the wallpaper, you look at the wall, or you think of something, you basically, what is it? But like your stroke rate is the same? Like you're not, there's no like... You got to switch it up go quicker slower depending on the heart rate you got to measure those things your vitality i've never thought about i actually i feel like

you like you gotta like stay calm in that motion like that movement you know what i mean like if it's a minute you gotta like slow that we tried pulling out and doing something else oh yeah to calm down oh yeah yeah, definitely. Usually, always. Yeah. You got to, you got to, especially if it's like you have to. He doesn't have time to pull out. It's only a minute.

You got to go quick. Yeah. You trust me. You have to act fast. Three pumps and. I mean, I've probably had that problem maybe three times ever, but not like every single time. Every single time.

But you got to learn from that that because that's a bad it's a bad you gotta get some control and let me tell you what girls don't come in a minute so i know that's trust me i know that definitely they're much harder it's like an aperitif at the restaurant like where the fuck is my appetizer my entree and my dessert you gotta work on have you tried whiskey oh yeah that's honestly like when you drink and you get the whiskey dick oh yeah that's that is when you drink and you get the whiskey dick oh yeah that is a whole different story

then you don't have to worry about it at all but then you can't be going around getting shit faced all the time Joe you're about to go down a huge rabbit hole yeah I don't think you realize we don't want to get to the story

where he's fisting someone on a boat whoa that's on a few episodes back whoa there's been a lot of stories so long story short he's trying so it's a good thing you didn't shake his hand he's tried a few different back. Whoa. There's been a lot of stories. Long story short, he's trying.

It's a good thing you didn't shake his hand. He's tried a few different things. You gave him a fist bump. I had a pat on the back. See, like that's the guy that should be quarantined. Like that's the guy we were like, all right,

I'm so sorry. I'm down to get you. I didn't even think about that interaction, but. Next time you come on the show, we'll put a mic right here and he can come on and you can coach him through well that's what i get for showing up 20 minutes late and i apologize for that it's okay we relate to it don't worry joe where can everyone find you pimp yourself out pimp myself out joe underscore shilling s-c-h-i-l-l-i-g on the instagrams and i think i

have a twitter i never use. When's the next fight? I think mid-October. They haven't given me a date or an opponent yet, but they were like... How's that work now? People can't go right now, right? No, not at least. They're doing them on different states. They have one, Bellator has, who I fight for,

they have one in Mohegan Sun, which is in Connecticut, and I'm not sure that they have audience there. That's what they do. They just rely on pay-per-view right now? I think it's not sure that they have audience there. So what do they do? They just rely on pay-per-view right now. I think it's not even pay-per-view. It's just a cable, whatever their cable deal is. I'm not sure how they,

I guess, sponsors TV sponsors and commercials. Does the fighters still get paid the same amount during COVID or is it like, and you know, cause I imagine they're, they're losing a shitload of revenue if you're losing the live event, but does that impact the fighters that just, or does the Bellator or UFCfc take the hit for that um i think that the the promotion takes the hit for

that on some fights i think if you're promoting a mega fight like a conor mcgregor where you're you're selling out giant arenas that they would probably hold off on that until because then it's they're taking a big hit you know what i mean but like on the the average guys i think that they and it might be way wrong but like i think that bellator has a deal with their tv station and then they buy a certain amount of time slots or have bellator on those time slots because they're going to bring commercial revenue on those times so i think that's where they're making their money but where it really hurts is like the small time shows where guys get their experience so they can get to a bellator ufc none of those shows are going on because they have no tv deal so they have their only source of income is from sponsors and the event like

selling tickets so if that doesn't happen, then nobody's, yeah, nobody's getting better. So even that like stagnates and slows down the, the sport, so to speak. If you ever fight in person again, I would love to come see it. A hundred percent.

Well, Joe, I have a feeling we're going to have to restrict a lot of accounts after this one. Yeah. There's going to be a lot, there's going to be a lot of, I'm going to be hitting that restrict button a lot.

I saw you on skinny and you motherfuckers. Yeah. I don't think so. I am unfollowing you that restrict button a lot. I saw you on skinny and you motherfucker. Yeah. I don't think so. I am unfollowing you. I am triggered. I am pissed. Be open-minded and nonjudgmental. It's a way better state to live in.

Just tell me one thing that we said that wasn't true. How about that? Just come up with one thing we said that wasn't true. Listen, you're going to piss off the non-free thinkers here. I don't give a fuck. I was almost abducted once as a kid too. Really? When you told that story, I was like abducted once as a kid too. Really? When you told that story,

I was like, oh my God, flashbacks. You had a rat tail and you were thin and the nutcrackers. No, this wasn't,

I'll tell this really quick because it's very short. I was in, I was at UTC Mall in La Jolla. Okay. I was in seventh grade and I had audio shoes, audio is a skate company

and they were like a very common black Andrew Reynolds audio skate shoe and I was in Brookstone, which is like a place you can go and like buy books and massagers, all sorts of things. And there was a guy that came up to me and said, hey, I really like those shoes. Those shoes are really rare. They're not. They're very common.

And he said, hey, do you know that San Diego down there? He goes, if you want to give me those shoes, I own that San Diego and a bunch of other ones. I will take you on a shopping spree in there and you can have everything in the store you can pick everything you want i just need the shoes and i thought it was a strange proposition so i said what like what are you talking about i'm like yeah like if you want to take me right here we can go right now for the store he's like no no no no meet me in the underground parking lot like it's it's like a stacked parking structure meet me in the bottom of that and i want to put the shoes in my car. And then we'll walk back over there.

He goes, but I'm not. I can't walk you over there right now and get it. You need to meet me in the parking lot by yourself and give me those shoes. Meet me over there in five minutes. And he was really strange. I thought you said this was a quick story. And then he left. And that's the end of the story.

Let's make it as quick as your performance. That guy wanted those shoes. He didn't want the fucking shoes. He wanted me to get close to his car. And he was going to try to abduct me. Wow. Fucking strange. There's a lot of weird people in the world. to his car and he was going to try to abduct me. Wow. Fucking strange.

There's a lot of weird people in the world. Yeah. Well, you're going to be on the podcast next time Joe comes in. We're going to go through your life. Joe's like, I'm never coming back. No, no. I mean, I feel like maybe we could set up a game plan for your next sexual encounter. I'm all about it. Try to make that work out for you better.

Yeah, I feel bad. All right. All right. Another episode. Thanks for coming on, Joe. Come back anytime. All right. Thanks, guys.

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