The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Julie Chen Moonves - How Spirituality Can Change Your Life & Help You Discover A Greater Purpose

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

666: Today, we're sitting down with Julie Chen Moonves, an American television personality, former news anchor, television producer, and author of "But First, God." Julie joins us for a conversation about her television career, and gives us a sneak peek into the life of a news anchor, sharing how she often found it difficult to separate emotion from her work when interviewing vulnerable people. She also discusses her journey to finding religion and gives insight into her life before and after finding God, how she deals with stress, her skincare tips, and much more.   To connect with Julie Chen Moonves click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It’s really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Thrive Market Thrive Market is the go-to for all of your grocery and household essentials- and it's all conveniently delivered to your doorstep. Get 30% off your first order, plus a free $60 gift at thrivemarket.com/skinny or use code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/HIMANDHER to receive 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Beis Beis has thought of everything you could ever want in a piece of luggage...360 degree gliding wheels, a cushioned handle, built-in weight indicator, washable bags for your dirty clothes, and all the interior pockets you need to keep organized. Go to beistravel.com/skinny for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Arrae Visit arrae.com and use code SKINNY to receive 15% off your first purchase or autoship order. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her. I think what has helped me is that I didn't get my start at the age that everyone else did.

I had to eat humble pie for four years. I was 25 when I got my first on-air job where all my friends from college, you know, 21, upon graduating USC journalism school, they all got their first gig. So I had to watch them all kind of bypass me. The personalities I would see come and go, the biggest names. Some were humble and gracious, even though they were at the top of the game. And some were not. And I saw what I did not like, nor did I want to become that if I ever achieved success. So being a little bit more mature when I got in front of the camera has helped. And also I got two older sisters.

They're going to keep me humble and in my place. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. Today, we have our guest, Julie Chen Moonves on the show, and we are talking about all sorts of different things and some things we've not talked about yet. For those of you that do not know who Julie Chen-Munvez is, Julie is an American television personality, former news anchor, television producer, and author of But First God. Julie joins the show to discuss her life as a television newscaster. For those that are interested in broadcasting, her moments having to separate emotion from the job, which is crazy when you

think about some of the things that she's done. She was a war correspondent at one point. And we also talk about how spirituality changed her life. Lauren and I have not gone into the topic of spirituality on this show very often, but I think we may do more of it. Not that we're pushing religion on anyone and not that Julia is either, but after hearing some of the success stories that people have found finding spirituality or discovering spirituality in their life, I think it's a topic worth visiting. And I know it touches many of your lives. So with that, Julie Chen Moonves, welcome to Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

I am so excited to have you in studio. I walked in, your skin is glowing. We're going to get into your beauty tips later and makeup and hair. Everything. Later. Yes. But I want to just talk a little bit about how you grew up, what your childhood looked like. Did you always know that you were sort of destined for what you are now? I knew at age probably 12 or 13 that I wanted to become a news anchor. And that was because my mother, who was the most important person in my life growing up, because I have two older sisters who are best of friends. So I was like my mom's best friend. And I listened to everything that she said growing up. I was her little buddy. And we were watching the news growing up in New York City, local news.

And it's probably 1980, 1981. So I was 10 or 11. And this Asian female newscaster came on, which was unheard of. And my mom said, if she can do this, you can do this. This would be a very good profession for you. So she planted the seed and then watered it. So then when I graduated junior high school and you had to predict where we were going to be 10 years from now, I said, New York City anchor woman.

So went to college, studied journalism, left Queens, came out to USC. And it's been like, I've been on that one track, you know, any summer off, I had an internship at some newsroom. So I knew I wanted to be a broadcaster, but I thought I was going to end my career at 60 minutes. You know, getting out of news was not anything I ever thought I would do, which now people know me more as host of Big Brother and eight years of co-hosting a daytime talk show. Like every now and then I'll get, aren't you that news lady? You know, because I covered local news before I did national news in New York. And every now and then I'll get that when I go to New York. But I knew I wanted to be on TV broadcasting. What did you like better, news or hosting? I ended up liking hosting better,

but it took me a year to make that transition because when you're on the news, you are not supposed to express your opinion. Well, now I know things are very different. We'll talk about that later. But growing up in the 80s and getting into the business in the early 90s, you weren't supposed to editorialize. So it was very clear what my job was. And I wasn't supposed to show any personality or give my personal feelings. Then when I went into a daytime talk show, I had to flip the script and do the exact opposite. After a year, it got to be a lot of fun.

We didn't take ourselves too seriously and sharing personal stories and opinions on things. That was a lot of fun. You know what, though? Speaking of you when you were doing the news, I'm reading this book by Morgan Halsall. He wrote this book called The Psychology Man. Anyway, he's got a new book called same as ever and he was talking about the reason that maybe the news feels much heavier now is before there was a lot of local news and that was kind of like the world you lived in like we grew up in san diego mostly what we read about was what was

going on in san diego so the chances of something bad happening all the time were rarer than if you're covering world events something bad is happening every day 100 all the time were rarer than if you're covering world events, something bad is happening every day, 100% of the time. And he was saying that it's not that the world has necessarily gotten so much worse. It's that the stuff we see all the time now is all the worst stuff. On your phone, 24 seven, you know, cable news channels, and they got to fill that airtime. So yeah, it used to be, if you didn't watch your local news, and they got to fill that airtime so yeah it used to be if you didn't watch your local news and you want to see what's happening in afghanistan or overseas outside of your backyard it was reduced to half an hour at 6 30 at night yeah it's interesting that you said that your mom pointed to

the screen and said if you can if she can do that you can do that we just had someone come in here that her dad said you'll never amount to anything and she said that tape replays in her head over janice dickinson she's 78 years old she says it still replays did that what your mom said if she can do that you can do that to replay throughout i mean it's interesting you remember that yes absolutely you know anytime like i took four it took me four years out of college to get my first job in front of the camera. I was working behind the scenes for so many years and all my friends from college, they were already in their second, maybe third job already starting at a small market. But with my mom saying that and believing in me and never getting off track. My mom always was supportive. I never entertained the thought of maybe I should pivot. So I never stopped trying.

It's so interesting how that happens for kids though, because you hear parents that have done the opposite and what that can do. Oh yeah. Parents, teachers, I've heard the same thing. One little girl was told when she was in first grade by her teacher, you know, you're not very good at math. And she repeats that script and it drives her mother crazy. She was like, you know, damn that so-and-so names a teacher, like telling her at a young age, you're not, you're not very good at math. She believed it. Waking up and doing the news when you start to do that is not a joke. People don't understand. I did an internship at a news station and I could not believe what these

newscasters were doing. They were up at 3 a.m. First of all, if I had to have makeup put on me at 3 a.m., it would be like putting makeup on a pig. Like it's not at all. You're so puppy and tired. Oh, yeah. Then you have to get in front of the camera and turn it on what what is that process like when you're starting out I mean it's a grind you have to be determined and in the beginning you're doing your own hair and makeup and you know we don't have professionals transforming how we look. Yeah. Your face is puffy. There's no face shape. Yes. No. So, but you know, you have youth on your side and I was so determined that my, my first job was in Dayton, Ohio, and you always get the worst shift. So you're alive, you know, in some snowstorm

at 5.00 AM. You already have your face on, you're dressed, and your brain has to be functioning, and you're talking on live television, and you're in the elements. It is not a job for people who aren't tough as nails, because not only what you said, the hours and having to look presentable, but it's also when disaster happens and you see like everyone caravanning out of a situation, whether it's a tornado or a snowstorm or like an oil spill. We as the journalists, we're going into the place that everyone is being told to evacuate.

So, you know, when I was in Ohio, we had to chase tornadoes. Everyone else is sheltering and not in place evacuating. We're trying to actually find the thing that everyone is trying to avoid. What's the scariest thing that's happened to you? When I got sent to cover the war in 2003. So I went over first. We went into Doha, Qatar. That was the country that was hosting the United States. And this is before we knew that they didn't have Iraq, didn't have weapons of mass destruction. So then I'm over in Kuwait. After a few days in Doha, we go to Kuwait. And you're told when you hear the sirens, that means we have reason to believe that there are nuclear warheads coming at us. Oh, Jesus. So you have to put on your gas mask and they train you where you say, gas, gas, gas. So everybody knows, like put it on and you exhale to get any potential gas that got on your mask. And you're just hunkering down, waiting in a bunker with the

military or wherever you are. 3 a.m. in your hotel room, you hear the, like, I'm going to die alone in this hotel room in Kuwait. That was the scariest. And we didn't know. I remember, and then you get the all clear. Then when they hit a different siren, that means, OK, false alarm. You can take your mask off now. I remember sitting there in a bunker with the fine men and women of this country serving our military. And I was shaking like a leaf. And these young kids afterwards, we got the all clear and they're just carrying on talking. Oh, coming up to me. I love Big Brother. Hey, can I get a picture with you for my mom? And I remember thinking like, why am I hosting this silly little show called Big Brother when, you know, we're at war and this is real life and, you know, what a frivolous show, what a frivolous job that is. I was doing Big Brother at the same time I was covering the news in the morning. And the news know, what a frivolous show, what a frivolous job that is. I was doing Big Brother at the same time I was covering the news in the morning. And the news show was the one that sent

me to cover the war. But when I saw all the joy and appreciation from these men and women, I thought, well, it's not just a silly little reality show. It kind of, it brings, it brings families together. I've found that Big Brother has reunited family members that didn't speak or didn't know each other, you know, found on Facebook. I have this cousin, watches Big Brother or like, oh, that's the show I grew up, you know, watching with my dad. We didn't get along, but we always got along when that show was on, we'd watch it together. You know, So I hear things like that. But the scariest thing was thinking you're going to die covering a war. What about the most embarrassing thing? Because sometimes you're live, right? Yes. I would say two embarrassing things. One was when I was co-hosting the early show in the mornings at CBS. We used to have these concerts on Fridays.

And we had, do you remember Cisco? He sang the long song. Do we ever. And there was a little bit of drizzle out. And after he finished his performance, I have to walk on and interview him. And as I was walking on, I slipped and both feet went up in the air like scissor kick and bounced and landed on my

backside. And the worst part was that Cisco couldn't stop laughing at me. He couldn't even do the interview. He was laughing at me and I didn't hurt myself, but that was embarrassing. But the other thing was embarrassing in a different way. was i was working at the talk and we would always record the show live to the east coast and when we were on the verdict came in for the casey anthony trial she was accused of killing her daughter and that's super heavy when she was found not guilty. I had to I had to read it live on TV. And and I and I and I broke down and I started to cry. And I thought that was so unprofessional that I couldn't even speak. I had to push the copy to my co-host and have her read it while I just lost it. Does it ever get hard? Like I always ask doctors when they come on, is it hard to separate the work from the emotion? Because I could imagine that would,

even as a mother, when you bring that up, it's hard to stand in front of someone and say that. I can only imagine. Is it hard to separate the two? It wasn't hard until 9-11. Yeah. So in 2001 hard until 9-11 yeah so in 2001 after 9-11 and in the aftermath in the in the weeks after i even get the chills when you say that yeah i had to interview this this this widow and she lived in new jersey and she was telling me how she didn't even know how to balance a checking account, a bank book.

And she was probably in her 60s. She had relied on her husband for everything. And I remember thinking, and she held it so together and was so poised. And I had to excuse myself and use her powder room so I could close the door and cry. That was when I had the first experience of not being able to separate. And then two years later, when I was sent to the Middle East to cover the war, I remember asking a high-ranking member of the military, like, you know, you have a wife and kids back home. And I didn't ask him on camera, but I said, how are you so brave? And he said, in the military, ma'am,

we learn to compartmentalize. And I tried my best to do it, but when I had my first and only child in 2009, any time, even just reading at home a story about a child or children being harmed, I couldn't hold myself together. That became very hard to report on the news anytime I had to. Yeah, I don't think you can fully, I mean, nobody wants to read about children being harmed, obviously, but when you have children, it changes it completely because you understand the relationship that parents have and that you have yourself with kids and it's just like it's such a heavy bond thinking of anybody going through even if you dislike i mean you just can't imagine anyone you feel the wound

yeah you feel their pain because you put yourself in their shoes and you know exactly what they're going through and that's what cuts so deep yeah like Yeah. Like it could be, it could be the worst person in the world and you still would never wish that pain on them because you just know what that is. Right. Yeah. Plot twist. I think with what you do, there's, it requires a certain level of charisma. Is that something that you naturally have or is that something that you have you refine or is it something you had to totally learn? I feel like it's something you have to naturally have. But charisma, you have to have the it factor, which is. And I learned this from my first news director in Dayton, Ohio, he said,

people have to care about you. You have to register. Either they love to watch you because they love you, or they love to hate you, but they can't look away. So if you think about some of these broadcasters who have big names and big successful careers, they have a lot of haters. They have a lot of followers, but they also have a lot of haters. You kind of divide the nation. So not everyone can be Oprah Winfrey, right? She defines charisma. I don't know. I feel like everybody loves her. She's very relatable. But I found myself watching some people on cable news channels that I couldn't disagree with more and get a visceral reaction out of me. But I found them just mesmerizing. I couldn't I couldn't turn away, you know, just they captivating, but not necessarily in a way where I'm like, yeah, I totally agree with you.

I'm like, what is this person saying? But yeah, I guess they were charismatic. They were charismatic. I almost feel like love him or hate him. Donald Trump is like kind of what you're saying. You almost can't look away from him and trust that he has his faults but he is charismatic.

Yes. He's interesting to watch. I mean, he is. When you say that, that's who I think of. There's also some of these characters. You wonder why certain anchors or people break through to levels that others don't. They have exactly't you're like they have exactly what you're talking about it's this thing where it's like maybe they're similar saying similar

things but they they're saying in a way where you can't disagree or not you can't turn away right they get a reaction out of you whether it's good or bad yeah you know running this business and not doing the show i always i always tell people like you don't want to play the middle right that's the worst. Because nobody, because you just end up- People are indifferent towards you. Yeah. They're not thinking about you.

You're not staying with them. You don't have a presence. So you need that presence. Yes. What do you think in 2024 makes someone have that it factor? Whether they're hosting a podcast, whether they're wanting to get on the news. What's the recipe? That they have something different and unique to say, a perspective that makes you think.

Maybe it makes you angry. Maybe it makes you think. Maybe it makes you laugh. But you're learning something from them. So you have to be a personality, unique, interesting to watch or listen to. What about when it comes to discipline and being militant? And is there things that you practice from a tactical standpoint? Well, yeah. A lot of it started all at home because my dad, I watched him every morning

be dressed in a suit and tie and out the door by 6.10 a.m so to me that was normal for him to get to work from bayside queens to new newark new jersey he had quite a commute so and also my parents being chinese immigrants where you know they stress discipline and academics and respect you know it's in my dna and you have to your purpose. You have to have that drive. If you want something bad enough, you're going to do anything it takes to get what it is. Like my son, who's 14, right? He doesn't love to study, but if he could tell you how many wins and kills that he's had at Fortnite, you know, or, you know, he's like, oh, you know, I can't retain all this information. I'm like, you used to play Magic the Gathering, which I

still don't understand. You've tried to explain to me or the game Catan. I'm like, you have the capacity to retain information, understand very complex things. So it's all about having the drive and desire. I always felt so much sympathy for kids who get out of school and they don't know their purpose in life because they don't have a strong passion for anything. If you have no interests, then how do you know what direction you want to move your life in? So, yeah, having the discipline is, and it's not just because you have the drive and the desire doesn't mean it's easy. You have to not give up and know that you're going to get a lot of

doors slammed in your face and no's, and you have to just keep trying. I mean, I had four years of rejections before I got my lucky break. People, they don't want to hear that part. They just want to speed up to the success. Yeah, things are very different today than when I was getting into broadcasting because these influencers who have their own channels, whether, you know, they do one tiktok video and it goes viral and they can become these overnight successes so yeah it's not like hard work always pays off sometimes you're just blessed with i think there's pros and cons with that though so we've been doing i guess like not to

age ourselves but now we've been in i guess this digital space since 2010 so not so long but it's been a while right not as not as new as i mean before a lot of the term even influencer existed and what i've seen now is you're right some people will go viral and have these overnight successes but then they may not have the staying power but what i almost think it's worse because you grow so fast and you get a little taste of success and maybe some money and then all of a sudden it's like wait it's I'm not there anymore so I always tell people like you want to have this slow steady consistent growth that's lasting going viral which I know a lot of people want to do is not necessarily always a good thing if you don't have the staying

power or the chops to continue to push that boulder uphill what's that quote about slow success that I sent you slow Slow success and fast success? I don't remember the exact quote, but Lauren calls it all the time astronaut syndrome. Like someone goes viral all of a sudden out of nowhere and they go to the top. Like astronauts, when they go to the moon, they come back down and they become depressed,

a lot of them, because they've gone to the moon. Yeah, everything else is going to pale in comparison. And also, like, if you've gone to the moon, like, are you going to go, what? Imagine if you go to the moon yeah everything else is gonna pale in comparison and also like if you've gone to the moon like are you gonna go what imagine if you go to the moon yeah right away yeah so i think that that's how it is to go viral it's like you go to the moon and it's like you haven't had the foundation yes yes yes and i think we just had a therapist on and he was talking about this theory of the pearl theory and he was saying like every

single day you just want to get to the next pearl he was saying a lot he works with a lot of actors and successful entrepreneurs and he was saying that sometimes when you have that kind of fast success and there's either critics or people praising you you start to kind of like live in a different world where you i mean you're familiar with this and you've seen people that do this but he's saying what he tries to teach them to do is just focus on putting the next pearl on the string. Like whether you have a big win or a big loss, it's just your job is to just keep putting your feet forward and doing what you're supposed to do. Staying present, staying in the now. Yeah. And you know, tomorrow's not promised, you know? Yeah. You got to stay focused and yeah,

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How do you stay so humble and down to earth in this business? Because this business is cutthroat. Yeah, I think what has helped me is that I didn't get my start at the age that everyone else did. I had to eat humble pie for four years. I was 25 when I got my first on-air job where all my friends from college, 21, upon graduating USC journalism school, they all got their first gig. So I had to watch them all kind of bypass me.

And during those four years, I worked behind the scenes at ABC News here in Los Angeles, you know, in their big heyday, I guess, you know, they're having it. They're still successful. They've stayed on top for a very long time. And some of the personalities I would see come and go, the biggest names, some were humble and gracious, even though they were at the top of the personalities I would see come and go, the biggest names, some were humble and gracious, even though they were at the top of the game and some were not. And I saw what I did not like, nor did I want to become that if I ever achieved success.

So being a little bit more mature when I got in front of the camera has helped. And also I got two older sisters. They're going to keep me humble and in my place. It's funny, too, because everyone talks, too. Like when I'm with someone who's doing my makeup or my hair, everyone talks. You hear it.

You hear it all. So if you're an asshole, it's like you're rep... It's quick, too, now. Oh, yeah. You hear it. Oh, yeah. And now with social media, like everyone has a platform to broadcast it. Yeah. Yeah. What was it like without social media doing what you did? How was the differences? And you didn't have as many agendas or lies out there in the public. But on the flip side to what Michael was saying,

who no one's talking about you, you're like, you can say anything, you know, it's better, it's better for them to be talking about you than not talking at all. But it was easier. It was a simpler time. You had downtime and you didn't have as much anxiety and you had privacy. I like being on a mic, but I also love my privacy. I mean, I don't know how people can give up all their privacy. That's a huge thing to give up. I think you reached a level where you were known. It's too like like, you could, people knew, because you were on television so frequently. You couldn't, I mean, I don't think you just turn it off.

Like, it's not like, hey, I don't want to do this today. Like, it happens. I think there's some people that go so far. Like, Oprah can't just go wherever she wants. It's too late, right? I think some people now live in this sweet space where it's like, you're known, but also you can turn it off. And it's maybe not in that rare Oprah air. But I always empathize.

I know, you know, sometimes we treat celebrities as like zoo animals to be observed. I always remind me like these are people with, and they don't have a choice. They've reached such a pinnacle that they always have to be on. Yeah, they have to. Don't want to take a picture? What an asshole, you know? Right. You know, even we experienced like sometimes if I'm with my kids, I'm really, I always

want to do everything. But if I'm with my kids, I'm like, oh, like this is maybe not the moment because they don't have the context. Yeah. But you don't want to be an asshole. I heard Paul McCartney say once, he said, I don't do pictures, but I do have, I do have conversations. What is your name? You know, tell me about yourself. And it was such a nice way for someone to feel like, oh, I have my own personal experience with Paul McCartney and he wasn't ungracious. The only thing I would say about

that now though, is everybody wants that Instagram. Everybody wants that TikTok. You might not be able to get away with it now. But then they do treat you like a zoo animal. They don't even want to talk to you. They just want to show off. Like, who i'm with yeah it's a it's a weird world because i we were speaking yesterday at ces and i was saying what what i hope to accomplish with our children is to point out that this is a great tool and a communication device but you don't want to end up being an end like a constant consumer of it does that make sense like you want to be able to you want to be able to distinguish like are you a consumer or is this something that is useful in your life? If you're just constantly scrolling and looking and clicking like that, that's not good. That's not adding any value to your life. And I've been there.

All of us have been there. Yeah. I'm like, it's 3.45 in the morning. Like how many puppy videos can I watch on Instagram reels? And like, you know. Like why am I up at two in the morning watching a monkey on a motorcycle? I don't know. Yes. But I'm there. I'm there, why am I up at two in the morning watching a monkey on a motorcycle? I don't know, but I'm there. I'm there. Yeah. Was there, I was reading here that maybe you didn't grow up with religion or you didn't grow up with faith. Is there a culminating or cultivating event that helped you find religion? I know we're going to talk about your audio project, but first God, but was there something that pushed you towards religion? Yes. I will say that my mom decided at age 17 she wanted to practice Catholicism. Her mom was Buddhist. So because she made her own- When you were 17 or she was 17?

When she was 17. So she didn't want to tell me and my sisters what religion to be. She wanted us to explore the world and figure it out for ourselves. But I did grow up always seeing this crucifix on her wall in the bedroom and one that she wore around her neck. My father, when I was very young, used to wear a gold cross around his neck, but we didn't ever go to church as a family. Then I went to a Catholic high school, but that was more by default because I didn't get into the science high school that my two older sisters attended. And my mom didn't want me to go to the public school where I was zoned. But even then, everyone I went to high school with, they had been in Catholic school since kindergarten.

And the classes that you're taking in religion are, it was like morality class. It wasn't starting from ground zero. So I didn't know, I didn't have religion in my life. It wasn't until I was 48 years old and I'm 54 now. So I was busy, busy, busy. I always had two jobs. Then I was co-hosting The Talk and doing Big Brother and raising my young son who was in second grade. And my life and my identity as I knew it came to a screeching halt. I lost my job at The Talk and my husband left his job at CBS, and our big, fast-paced, glamorous life as I knew it, going to Grammy Awards, going out to dinner events, all these things, Super Bowls, that all came to a halt. And I had to stop and ask myself, how am I living? Why did this happen? I need some answers. I had no direction.

So I started praying to God and I went to church for the first time. And it was prompted by my aunt, who is a born again Christian. And she is my favorite aunt. She helped raise me. She saw publicly what I was going through and she sent me an email and she is my favorite aunt. She helped raise me. She saw publicly what I was going through and she sent me an email and she said that her friend from her old church in New Jersey had been praying for me and my family. And her friend said, Holy Spirit spoke to me and told me to tell you, you need to teach your niece about Jesus Christ. So in this email, I'm reading, oh my gosh, like here's some lady who I've never met praying for me. And my aunt said, listen, you know, I've never been pushy about my faith. We have a big family. She's like, I've never tried to push my faith on anyone.

My uncle, her husband is also born again Christian. He is a cancer survivor and he survived being in one of the two towers on 9-11. Okay. So, and they're born again Christian before 9-11 after his cancer survived, you know, surviving cancer. So that email prompted me that morning to go to church. It was a Thursday morning. I was driving my son to school and there are three churches right by my house that I have driven past millions of times. And I just went into one that sounded

good. And I don't know if it's normal, if they normally have their doors unlocked, but the doors were open and I had the whole church to myself and there were some candles burning. And no service going. No service going. You know, Thursday morning, like 8.25 in the morning. And I just, I broke down.

I got on my knees and I broke down and I started praying to God for help, for answers, direction. I was just a mess. And I looked up for once. I had always had my head buried down in my work. And what I realize now was I was praying to my false idol, which was my career and my jobs. I mean, everything came behind all my jobs, even when my son was born. I was having a baby nurse or a nanny so I could go on assignment. I

could be at work at this time and not be the one to take him to school. It was terrible. Sometimes I feel like, and I do this too, you use work as a distraction. Oh, yeah. Work is a great distraction. You know, it's like similar in a weird way to like alcohol or drugs that someone would use. But it's work. So it's healthier. Yeah. And it's like I have to. And it keeps you on a track, right? You know, you can't do anything. Sorry, I can't right now. I got to go. I got to go be on TV.

I got to read this script. And it keeps you out of trouble. Yes, it does. So it's a weird kind of almost addiction distraction. Yes. Yeah. When you could justify that it's a good habit because you're driving results in one area.

Like hustle culture. Yeah, a little bit. When you find religion, what do you think the main changes in your personal life are? I guess what are maybe the shifts in your mindset before and after? Oh, well, having faith changes everything. Because if you have faith, nothing can rock you. You're going to still have bad days and tragedies in your life, but you know that God has a plan and he either allowed it or he ordained it. But nothing, he's sovereign, nothing is going to happen that he is not in control of.

So what really shifted for me was getting to know God and it didn't really start to crystallize until the pandemic because 2020 hits and everyone has high hopes. Ooh, you know, 2020, it's a special number. It's like 2020 vision. Boy, did we have 2020 vision. And that January, my father unexpectedly dies. Sorry to hear that. And then in March, right? I'm sorry to hear that. March 17th, God puts the world on pause. And we all have to examine our lives and how we're living.

And is this how we want to continue? And there's no distraction we want to continue no distraction and there's no distraction and because of this lockdown no one could go to church but church can come into your home i forgot they stopped yeah because all the gatherings yeah yeah so people were having services online and different churches were trying to figure it out. And one of my oldest friends from my first on-air job in Dayton, Ohio, who was one of my favorite cameramen, he had since, and this was like 1995, he had gone on to seminary

school and became a pastor of a church in Boston. And when my whole life was turned upside down, this friend reached out to me and I hadn't talked to him in like 20 years. And he said, my wife and I are praying for you. His wife was our six o'clock producer in Dayton. So we all work together. And I thought like, wow, at a time where suddenly you find out who your real friends are, people who were your work friends, you can't help them anymore. The phone kind of stopped ringing from certain people. And someone who I haven't talked to in almost two decades is ringing me up at a time I can't do anything for anyone. And he's there to help, he and his wife.

So I started attending their online Zoom church and it was so homegrown. They were in their living room on a box. All the members of the church were on boxes. My mom started Zooming on and that really began my spiritual journey. Because prior to that, it wasn't COVID. I would check off a box. I'd go to church on Sunday. And then the rest of the day, I'd go back to my normal life. And I couldn't tell you by Monday afternoon, what was the sermon I just listened to Sunday. It was just something you were doing. Yeah. Ticking a box, thinking, oh, okay. I'm being a good child of God. I showed up. I mean, the beginning I was so naive. I used to bring my cell phone into church and like check emails if I got, if my mind

started to wander. So I was, I was clueless. I think this is an important conversation though, what you said about your son, about the babysitter and how you're in church, scrolling your phone, because you're being honest. I think so many people aren't honest like this. So it's refreshing. Yeah. I mean, I'll be the first to say that I did all that stuff and I was so foolish. I didn't

know it was wrong. I didn't see anything wrong with it because it's how I lived my life for 48 years. It's how I functioned. And then now that I flipped that script, guess what? All that stuff was causing me anxiety. Now I have a lot more peace, you know, and stuff gets done. It sounds like to, you know, everybody come, you know know there's a lot of self-help people that say if you can switch your mind into thinking that things don't happen to you but happen for you and it sounds in a way that religion kind of helps who said that well i don't know is it tony robbins or who's it louise hey oh louise hey okay well anyways a lot of people have repurposed it i just repurposed it but it sounds like with religion i sent you that quote on anyways, a lot of people have repurposed it. I just repurposed it. But it sounds like with religion. I think I sent you that quote on Instagram.

In a way, if you have faith, you automatically start to think that way. And maybe you think this is, you know, it's God's plan or whatever, but you start to stop victimizing yourself in a way. Does that sound? And you stop trying to control everything because you realize I'm not in control of anything. Yeah. anything. I can spin all I want, but this is going to happen the way it's going to happen. And I do want to make a distinction. I love that you use the word faith, because what I also learned in this journey is that, because people are like, oh, Julie became so religious. I don't know. I don't know if she was so religious. And it's not, what I learned is religion is about rules. What I have and found and what I want everyone to have is I have a personal relationship with God. So my relationship with God is going to look different from everyone else's.

So things that work for me to relate and talk to him, go to him and hear from him and feel his presence is going to be very different from everyone else. So I could tell you what works for me and recommend it, and you could see if it works for you. But, you know, like I remember my sister was diagnosed with breast cancer two years ago, and I was like, you got to start praying. You got to start coming to our Zoom Bible study and our Zoom church and this, that. And she said to me, lay off.

She was like, I pray all the time. And she doesn't go to church. And I heard it loud and clear. Oh, that's what her personal relationship looks like with the Lord. I just like to be quiet and sit with my own thoughts. Yeah. And I think you're right. Everyone has a different sort of definition of what that looks like. And I have found, I feel like when people say the word meditate, to me, that is a form of prayer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It is.

Yeah, definitely. It sounds like your parents maybe got that early on where they were religious themselves, but they are faithful themselves and they didn't really push that on you. I think my mom was, I'm not so sure about my dad. I think my dad wore the cross because I'm sure he was curious, but the way he and one of his brothers came to this country from Taiwan was because they were sponsored by a church. So, yeah. And that was his own relationship. However, you know, he spoke to God and what he believed. Yeah, I mentioned

my grandmother earlier. She was Buddhist. She was a Japanese woman. Full Japanese woman. But my mother, she married an Italian guy. So my mother, my grandma always practiced Buddhism,

but my mother was raised Catholic, like very strict Catholic. Because her dad. Because her dad. And then I, my grandma always practiced Buddhism, but my mother was raised Catholic, like very strict Catholic. Because her dad. Because her dad. And then I, my sisters weren't, but I grew up having to go to the Catholic schools early. I wish I could say I did well there. They kicked me out of every one of them. You're finding your way.

Yeah, I was finding my way. And then going to church. But it was really heavy on me for like the first eight years. And then I kind of came out but but i've always like i don't know if you call it god but i've always i don't know if it's specifically catholicism but i've always kind of been faithful if that makes sense yes spiritual faithful you have and that's your own relationship with god you've always been faithful to i will say when it's stressful lauren doesn't even know this, there's this

prayer my grandmother used to say at night and I say it in my head when shit gets heavy. I'm going to ask you it tonight. Yeah. Will you share it? What is it? How does it go? The gist. Give us the essence of it. It's basically, now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep it by. I should die before I wake. I pray the Lord my soul to take. That's the...

I've heard you say that. That's the prayer. But that's a Catholic... that's a Catholic thing. What I also learned was because I went to Catholic school, high school, the last three years of high school, every morning we had to say in homeroom, which they called core, the Lord's Prayer. But that was religion because I was saying it by rote. I could say all the words while I'm multitasking. I'm not

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You receive 15% off your first purchase or auto ship order. That's array.com code skinny for 15% off. I have to say since I started a personal relationship with God, I don't really stress out. And before when I would experience stress, I would tense up even more and try and control the situation and just spin. And then I would end up feeling like I'm running on fumes. Whereas now, what could I stress about? Raising a teenager, there's a certain level of stress there. Oh, great. Can't wait. But don't you feel like... So I feel sometimes, call it faith, call it religion, whatever you want, but when life's hardest moments happen and you hear people say like, oh, I'm praying for you or I'm thinking, like I'll, even if you don't call it religion, you just call it energy. I think there is something about thinking good thoughts, not just, but to other, about other people, which then will come back to you.

And I, and, and so as I've matured, I used to maybe be a little bit more resistant to faith and religion, probably because of the way I was raised and some of the stuff. Yeah. If it's too heavy handed, you run the other way. But as I've gotten older, even if you think of, even if you call it something different, like positive energy or thought or whatever, like I just think that that comes back not only to you individually, but to that person. And if you're somebody who's obviously thinking bad thoughts about it, like that comes back as well. So whatever you decide to call it, I think if you look at it from that lens, it would be hard to find faults or reason not to think that way.

The power of prayer is so strong and praying for other people and asking other people to pray for you. And if you say you're going to do it, I always do it right then and there because you say it and then you're going to forget, right? Just life gets in the way. And I have to say that when, and I get into this in my audio memoir, But First God, where I talked about the power of prayer and a medical miracle that involved me getting my hearing back. I had lost 80% of my hearing in my right ear one morning.

And luckily, a very good friend of ours is an ear, nose, and throat doctor. I went in, and he sent me right away to Cedars. And he said, yeah, you are suffering from something called sudden hearing loss. And no one really knows why this happens. So I go to Cedars and they say, you have a 30% chance of getting some of the hearing back. And I'm thinking, oh, as a broadcaster, you don't have to wear an earpiece. Now granted, I wear it in the left ear, but then if my left ear is listening to programming and the producers, my open ear, the right one where I lost 80%, I can't hear anything else. And I thought, oh, this is going to be detrimental to my career. So at Cedars, they said, we're going to give you a shot in your ear right now.

And you're going to have to come back a week from today and two weeks from today for two more shots. And 30% chance you'll get it back. That afternoon, I go home and I sign on to Zoom Bible study. And at the end, they always take prayer requests. So I said, here's what's going on with my hearing. And this prayer group is so powerful. They prayed for me and I learned, I've learned how to level up, if you will, my prayer life. You know, it used to sound like a Dear Santa letter. Like, I want this. I want that. Please help me with this.

Now it's like praying for other people. And I learned when it's a medical matter, you pray that all the medical staff, doctors, nurses, technicians, everyone laying hands on you or handling your case is guided by God's wisdom, that they have God's wisdom to reveal and diagnose and treat you. It's not like, oh, I'm going to sit at home and not get medical attention and pray it away. No, you got to go to the doctor. And those are the prayers. So they prayed for me. So the next week I go back to Cedars for shot number two, and they make you take an exam first, a hearing exam. The doctor walks in the room. He goes, well, I can't explain it, but you got 100% of your hearing back. Wow.

He said, you're here now. If you want this second shot, we can give it to you. I'm thinking, no thanks. I'll pass on that needle. It's a shot like directly in? Directly in your ear. And because the medicine is cold going in your system, for about like 30 to 60 seconds, the room is spinning until it heats up to your body temperature.

And I said, no, if I don't need that sec, I'm good. I'm good. And I just kind of like bounced out of the room. Yay. And I didn't think much of it until a couple of weeks later, I went for my annual checkup with my general practitioner and she's part of the same. She's also part of Cedars and she walked in with her file and she goes, I've never in my career seen anything like this. How you got your hearing back is, I can't explain it. That's when it dawned on me. And I said, well, I can explain it. And I told her about my prayer group. I said, that's the power of prayer. I said, it's God. And she goes, why don't we call it faith and science? I said, absolutely. But to me, God is science.

Yeah, I think. He invented science. I think where people become resistant, in my personal opinion, this is with anything, is when someone has a very strong perspective or opinion and it's like, I need to push then that way of life onto you because my way is right and your way is wrong. And I think you can never get through to people. And I think sometimes, and every religious group has been guilty of this, there are sects of each religious group that do that and make people feel that way? Oh, that is, here is a quote that I love and I don't know who said it, but preach the gospel.

If necessary, use words. So by that is if you walk the walk, you don't have to you know talk the talk you don't have to lecture at people if people see you living out the life that you know boils down to two commandments right jesus said it love god first and right behind that love one another every other commandment falls into place. Sure. You don't have to memorize anything else. That's it. I love God first. He comes first. And that's why my memoir is called, But First God.

It's also a wink and a nod to the catchphrase of Big Brother. But first, but first, Chen Bot. I like what Charlie Munger said about the commandments. He said, envy is the worst one of the two. Because it's the only one you can't have any fun at.

I never heard that quote. That RIP. That's funny. That is funny, right? That is a good one. You okay over there? I'm okay. I just had like a cough attack.

I swallowed something down the wrong pipe. I'm so sorry. First you had the tickle and now the wrong pipe. On and on and on and on. Well, we had a whole hold on it was really important no i have i have i have a couple questions i want to get you out

on time but i have a couple questions the first question you have to give us some skincare beauty hair tips okay it was god that did it god gave her the skin well that i prayed about actually peace makes you glow so that is it does because when you look at someone who has like wrinkled up like scowling face they they're having a hard life they've had a hundred percent agree with you it's you could see the energy on the face all right i i use a bunch of different products in a rotation. And let me just say, I cannot say enough about Oil of Olay. You don't have to spend a lot of money. I use three different of their serums and the old school pink moisturizer. That moisturizer I don't use every day, but maybe like two o'clock in the afternoon, if I'm walking past it in my bathroom, I keep it out on the counter. I'm like, oh, you know, I could use some hydration. I'll put some on. Serums, serums, serums. You have to do serums. You have to layer it. I try and do at least three different products on my face every morning and sunscreen and oils. I use Dr. Lancer products. I use Reveve, Oil of Olay, this Korean brand.

Korean brands are always top-notch. What did I do to you today? He asked for a vitamin C. I said, try this, the Korean vitamin C. I said, you're going to be surprised how much you like it. They do have top-not top notch it's so innovative like they make it a prior skin is a priority there i mean yeah look i mean we have a saying asian don't raisin see the bad thing for me is did you get the italian i only got a quarter of it and so i'm hoping that you know maybe just like a fourth of my

face will not age but italian also because you you're like me, we have melanin. If you're too fair-skinned, that is very sensitive to the sun. Yeah, I mean, I told you my grandma just passed, rest her soul, but she was 93. She went and got her hair done that day. God bless her. Went to sleep. That was it. I'd like my hair done.

Of course, I'm sad to lose my grandmother,. I'd like my hair done. Everyone's asking, of course, I'm sad to lose my grandmother, but I'm like, listen, that's a good life. 93, no sickness, no illness. Happy. Get her hair done. Went to bed. What do you do for your hair? I have learned, well, now that I'm north of 50, I've stopped washing it every day, which has been very helpful. And also as you get older, your oil glands start to dry up. So I don't have to wash it every day. And I put in this leave-in conditioner. They say at least 10 minutes before you shampoo, but I'll sleep with that thing.

And it's by Lenore Grail, and it's a hair oil. I'm going to buy that right after this. Lenore Grail. Lenore Grail and it's a hair oil. I'm going to buy that right after this. Lenore Grail. Lenore Grail. Yeah. It's in a glass, a rectangular square. I'm going to get it. Lenore Grail. I have to ask you because this podcast is so much about routine and habits. Are there things that you do in the morning and the night all the time? Like, are there things that are non-negotiables for you? I'm assuming prayer is one of them. Yes. Prayer in the morning, I will always read from five different devotionals. And I do it on a Zoom call with my producer and we ping pong lines. So we read it out loud and we have a great time with it because sometimes one of them is called Jesus Calling. Another one is Jesus Listens, written by the same author.

One is Hope for Each Day by Billy Graham. One is, I forgot the title, but it's by Timothy Keller, who passed, I think, in the last year. It's like wisdom proverbs. And then the last one is grace for today. And that's every morning. And then I will tend to listen to some sort of like pray.com has a Bible in a year. So you can listen to, it's about maybe 15 minutes in the morning as I'm brushing, flossing, washing my face, doing all the serums. I'll put on speakerphone on my phone and they'll read you some scripture and then they'll have a dramatic retelling of what was happening there

in the Bible. I'll listen to those. So that's pretty much my morning routine. And then at 10 a.m., I'm always doing some form of exercise, whether it's Pilates or traditional weight training, stuff like that. And then at night, Jeopardy, DVR it. And then the nighttime The nighttime routine is I will pray more informally in bed. At times, my husband and I, we will pray together out loud. Usually if there is someone we have to pray for. And I've gotten away from that for like the last probably four weeks. I have to revisit that one. Things are busy during the holidays in your defense.

It's pretty, I mean, it's so chaotic. Yes, the time. Yes, you're right, the timing. But I started a Bible plan. So there's a great app called YouVersion. And you meaning, you know, Y-O-U, you, me, you. YouVersion. And on the phone, it just looks like a brown cover of the Holy Bible.

And they have a reading plan called Bible in a Year. We're starting at the beginning and I'll listen to that Shakespearean sounding actor who's reading a few chapters of the Bible, like three or four chapters in the Bible. And then there's a woman who will then break it down and tell you what she got out of it. And that I'll do morning and night. I'll bookend it sometime in the morning and then again at night. And I'll put my AirPod in and I'll keep listening to it over and over until I fall asleep. Well, now we don't have to just listen to Shakespearean men. We can listen to your pretty voice. Thank you. But first, God,

where can everyone find, buy, support what you're doing? Anywhere and everywhere audio books are sold. You can download. And there's even on Amazon, you can even buy a CD if you want a tangible, if you still have a CD player. CD. Yes. Some people do buy CDs. You know what?

Some people take a CD player and put a CD in a hospital room. Oh. Because someone's in the hospital that they love. So they take a cd player and put a cd in a in a hospital room oh because someone's in the hospital that they love so they take a cd player i did this for my grandma and i put bossa nova music on so a cd is not always a a bad idea didn't you just put like a like an ipod or like a phone or she didn't have a phone she had like a an old flip phone michael come on get with the time then get your grandma an iPad? Oh, God. But first, God, where can everyone find you and support you? What's your Instagram?

Pimp yourself out. Julie Chen Moonves. And I post a new show every Sunday called God 101, where it's a panel talk show. It's about 12 minutes long. We talk about today's world and how to find peace, love, loving your enemies, all sorts of topics through the lens of scripture. Thank you for coming on, Julie.

That was such an interesting conversation. You're welcome to come back anytime. We covered a lot of ground. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Julie. Thank you both.