The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Justin Anderson Pt. 3 On Real Candid Conversations, Love Languages, The State Of The World, & Reality Secrets

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

I'm making products for women that aren't going to the salon every three weeks or women who aren't spending $600 on their highlights. So how am I going to be in Hollywood working with these celebrities, but then trying to sell my products to the rest of the country? I want to relate to them. I want to get to know them. What are your issues with your hair? You know, like what is realistic? So it's been good for me. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. That clip was from our guest of the show today. Fan favorite on for the third, fourth time. I don't know. We've talked to him so many times, Justin Anderson. We are excited to have him back on the show. He has been on the show, like Michael said, two other times. His first episode, he discussed family dynamics, which is super interesting. He opens up about having his son adopted when he was young and that's episode 136. And then he's also been on

the podcast with celebrity trainer, Jillian Michaels, where we did like a round table situation. Absolutely amazing. And if you want all his skincare beauty secrets and scalp secrets, he literally teaches you how to grow more luscious, thick hair. Then you have to check out my limited series podcast with Dear Media, Get the Fuck Out of the Sun. We talk about fighting inflammation, secret hacks for baldness and why men should trim their pubes. Taylor, I hope you're listening. On this episode, it's more of a conversation. So it's almost like Justin, Michael and I are at happy hour and we're talking about all the things so we kind of go everywhere and it's interesting because we haven't caught up with Justin

since he went on the show Very Cavallari since he moved to Nashville since we moved to Texas so there was a lot to go through as obviously we all met when we were all living in LA and you know I think this conversation goes again like Lauren said all over the place

it's well-rounded we go pretty deep we talk about a lot of different things I think you guys will enjoy it with With that, let's welcome our friend, Justin Anderson, back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. We have Justin Anderson in studio in Nashville live for the third time because he is such a goddamn good podcaster.

One of the rare people that we would travel on a plane to come and see. I love that. I love that. This morning, I was just telling Michael before you came out of the bathroom, getting beautiful, that I thought this podcast today was at my house.

And here we are in this great studio. I literally thought it was at my house this whole time. I don't check my calendar till the morning because I wake up so early and I check otherwise I'll stress out I mean I kind of know it's always happening

but I don't know where I need to be and what call and what time I literally just I looked at Google calendars and we were just in a car driving around

I have no idea I still have no idea where we are what is your morning routine to get these muscles looking like they look because I haven't seen you in a while

and they are popping. I love that you're saying that because I'm just getting back into working out really hard. I took like a little time off. Like I wasn't loving my body the past year, which probably no one has been because we've been in whatever we've been in. Besides Michael, who doesn't have an addiction to food. So I'm working out really, really hard again. But I'm still doing hot yoga pretty much five days a week.

And then I'm starting to really, really hard again. But I'm still doing hot yoga pretty much five days a week. And then I'm starting to lift heavy weights again. I live in the space. I thrive in the space of lifting heavy weights. If I could just be a big meathead bodybuilder, I'd be in heaven. That's my favorite. But clothes doesn't fit that queue. You said you wake up early. How early?

I mean, I'm up at, if I'm really honest, 4.30 in the morning. And I just like, yeah, I wake up. So I can't sleep in. And I get that from my dad. My dad, my entire life could never sleep in. We talked about this before. So I'm wide awake, yes. But what time are you going to bed?

So I get into bed, like I try to get into bed like 8 o'clock. And I usually fall asleep by like 9.30. But I want to sleep until like 5.30, but I can't. So anyways, I wake up. I do my ACV shot every single morning, and then I do my phone right away, but I try and get out of the room, out of the bedroom, and I work on the phone, and then I go to hot yoga, and I kind of just go right into the day. I do weights after hot yoga. I do the whole fasting, the intermittent fasting still,

so I don't eat until like noon. So I won't eat from like eight o'clock at night until noon, except for lately. I don't know what's going on, but I wake up like starving at two in the morning. I'll go out and like have like a protein bar. Weightlifting. Yeah. The harder I lift weights, I'm like starving in the middle of the night. They say it's one of the best ways for anti-aging is to lift weights because over the time your bones get smaller and smaller, especially after you're 30. They say lifting weights will actually prevent aging. Are you morning sex or night sex? We are night sex.

So Scoot is my partner. It still counts as night because it's 4.30. It's like 4.30. No, we are night sex for sure. I wish because I mean, I'm horny all day long because I'm a Scorpio.

I'm always horny, but we are nighttime. He hates morning sex, but I can have sex all day long. Especially if the morning begins at 4.30 in the morning. Yeah, yeah. If I'm always horny, but we are nighttime. He hates morning sex, but I can have sex. Especially if the morning begins at 4.30 in the morning. If I did that to Lauren, if I woke you up at 4.30 in the morning for that, it would- I love sex, but not 4.30 in the morning. Kristen just told us, we just came from her house podcasting with her. We came out to

podcast with both of you that she works up at 5.30. No, Kristen and I are the exact same way. And it's so funny because I was just saying to you, Kristen and I text and talk all throughout the day. Like she's my best friend in the entire world. We never talked about this. Like we did talk about both of us doing the podcast today. So she just texted me when I got here and she's like, guess who's just left my house or whatever. I'm like, did you do their podcast right now? I'm like, I'm here right now. So I had no idea. But yeah, Kristen's a total moron. We do so much shit talking at 5 o'clock in the morning like we get all of our like gossip in like what's going on with this did you hear about this how are you dealing with

this like whatever we do it all like 5 o'clock in the morning we'll have to do like we've done a round table with you before where we've got a few people we'll have to do that with Jillian Michaels that's the last time we did it I was thinking how much has changed since the last time we've had you on the show and honestly since the last time we we all live in different places.

Now we're all in LA together now gone. Totally. Everything is loving everything. Like, are you just getting out of LA? I, yes. And I feel like I have the right to be honest about it because I grew up in

Los Angeles. I'm a total Southern California boy. My whole life. Are you pre-facing that? Because sometimes people get a little salty. Yeah. And I, yeah.

And I used to, I used to get get a little salty. Yeah. And I used to, I used to get mad when people would bash California. Cause I'm like, California is fucking great. It's amazing. Like, what are you talking about? And I would get annoyed. But the past few years, I wasn't happy there. I was just like, this isn't the lifestyle that I want to live anymore. And it's a really hard life. I am so thankful for it, for what it did for my career. Obviously. I mean, the working with celebrities, building my business, it was amazing. amazing but i got to a point where i'm like this isn't like the lifestyle i want to have well i feel like we like same with us like we born and bred california and it i people sometimes get a little salty especially people that are still there it's just changed and i can unequivocally

say that because i've lived there my entire life and And I could just, it's not even something you can see, you can feel it. It's just a different place than what it was five years ago. I think that if you're a really, if you're a person who's super in tune with energy and your intuition and people, and I think if you're someone who's worked in a business like you've worked in, I used to be a bartender for six years. So I'm very into like feeling the vibe.

And when I got pregnant, I was like pushing LA away. I'm like, get away because I'm pregnant. And like there was like this intuition and then COVID happened and everything there was just cortisol. It's cortisol inducing. And I'm like,

why am I spending so much money, like you said, to live in a place that is not like sort of a sanctuary? That's what your home should be. But if I mentioned 2010 to 2015 LA, like all of us can think back like that was a very fun time. Oh, it was the heyday.

We're different ages, right? But it was just that time. Yeah. It was fun for whatever reason. And it's probably been fun before that. But I can't honestly say that it's still like that or that you can still enjoy it as much as you used to. It's just different.

Something switched, you know, and I don't think it's my age. It's not because I'm getting older. Like something definitely switched for me where I was just kind of like, you know, this doesn't make me feel good here anymore. I felt like every errand was the biggest deal in the world. Like if you're just trying to run errands, you know, like I got to a point where I was like an assistant was doing everything. And I like running errands. I like to do things for myself and stuff, but you can't get anything done in LA, you know, the traffic. And then there's definitely like an energy shift. And I think, you know, I love social media. I think social media is fabulous, but I think social media changed LA a bit.

I think that it like went from, uh, just, it felt like a lot of people were there for the wrong reasons, you know, and just the energy everywhere felt a bit off. So I'm very happy to be out of there. Um, COVID is happening still. So it's not ideal to go back, but I still get to go back for some clients that I love. And then I'll go back for a few like work things. But even when I go back, I want to get out of there. Like I can't wait to get out of there. That's exactly how I feel.

And I hope it'll change at some point because I want to love California again. I want to love LA. My whole family's still there. You know what made it so special though? And I don't know if you feel the same way, but California was always a very accepting exploratory discover yourself place. And I feel like it's almost the opposite now. Boom! 100%! It's not

this place that's so accepting anymore. You have to kind of think one way. And if you don't think that way, then you're kind of an outcast. That's how I feel. And it's weird because that's not what California to me is. I totally agree. I totally agree. It feels like the most not diverse place in the world to me at this point. It feels like everyone is the exact same. You can't have conversations anymore, like about anything or even kind of like question things.

There's no nuances to anything anymore. Nothing. Yeah. I don't know. It totally changed. How has it changed your relationship moving here? Because when I remember we had a dinner at D.P. Hugh, the house, and I got to see you and Scoot together and you guys definitely have different personalities. We're complete opposites.

I think it seems to me, I'm just going to guess that he likes this situation better. He loves it. So from day one when we met, I could tell him like, this guy is not going to last in LA because he just moved to LA from Ohio. And I was like, he's not going to last here. And about two years into our relationship, he tried to break up with me.

And when we started talking more, he's like, I just want to get out of LA, you know? And I was like, you have to realize like this isn't forever for me. Like I will get us out of here. If we end up together for the long haul, like I promise you I'll get us out of here. And so it got to the point where it was just time to go. So yes, we moved here. He's so happy here. I didn't want to move to Ohio. So Nashville was the in-between. We really did move here for Kristen. You know, Kristen is my best friend. I've missed not living in the same city as her. So we talked about, I've always loved Nashville. And so we picked Nashville and we came here and absolutely have fallen in love with it. When you got here, did you do the show immediately or was that like something that just happened

after you moved here? So we, I had been on her show the season before a few times. And then when we were talking about moving to Nashville, Kristen was like, would you at all like share it on the show or whatever? And I was like, yeah, let's do it on the show. Like totally's that's totally fine and um but then it turned into a whole thing it became like a whole storyline like we ended up doing the whole season and they brought like scoot in obviously and um and then it's like a contract happens when you're on every episode so it kind of just happened naturally and um that show was such a trip because there was this talk like i was going to propose to scoot and the producers had caught wind of that and they're like please propose on the show and I was like absolutely not

like Scoot will kill me he's such a private person and then the more I started thinking about it like it felt real the show things were really happening in our life whatever and then what happened for me is I remember being a little kid I'm obsessed with reality TV I love reality TV because I get I love getting to look into people's life and kind of like figure them out. So when I was a kid, I loved reality TV more than anything. And I used to watch the real world and I would always get so excited about the gay character on there because I was a little kid. I was like, oh my God, this person's out of the closet. They're talking about being gay. And I was, I've looked up to all of these characters. I can remember all the gay guys from each season. And then all of a sudden I thought to myself, I'm

like, I have an opportunity to propose to my boyfriend on a TV show that the two stars are a straight woman, Kristen Cavallari and Jay Cutler, who's a football player. You know, so the audience is definitely like this straight audience. I mean, I think it's fair to say it's pretty much like the straight audience. So for them to get to see like two gay guys who are genuinely in love and propose to each other. And I started thinking, I'm like, what if somebody is a big fan of the show, very Cavalier, and they have a 15-year-old son who might be in the closet and he's watching that and he sees like this beautiful moment between two men who are in love with each other.

I'm like, no, I've got to do this. This is such a great opportunity. So Scoot had no idea that I was going to do it. And I did it. He was completely surprised, but he's happy now and he sees, you know. Well, I think also when you just in that context, like obviously, like how could you not be, right?

Like just explaining it that way. I wasn't even thinking about that angle. I mean, it's, you're pioneering something. You're probably helping a lot of people. That's really what I thought about where it just clicked for me. I'm like, why the hell would I not do this? You know, what's the big deal?

I'm already doing reality TV. I share my whole life on social media, you know? I don't feel like I need to hide any secrets. So I was like, no, I totally want to do this. What is it really like filming a reality television show? Is it like 16 hour days? Are you working all the time? Is it like way more work than we think or is it opposite? If you listen to this show and this platform has taught you anything, it's that anything is possible. You can learn anything. You can grow into anything. You can become anything. That's why we love our partner, our longtime partner, Skillshare. I feel like the theme of this entire

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like I having a camera follow you around and kind of having to like hype up your personality or keep things going like it's not normal. When the cameras are down, you get so tired, completely wiped out. And at that time, I was flying back and forth between LA and New York. I was going back and doing all my celebrity clients. Then we'd come home and go right back into filming. And then I'd fly out. It was that for six months almost. And so everything is kind of heightened. The one thing I will say is it's like, it wasn't my show. So it's like, I want to tone everything down a bit. Like, I mean, I just like,

I like to be a loud personality. I would share everything. I love a little bit of drama. If anybody knows me, I would fight on TV the second, you know? Like, I'll let it all out. But I mean, it was Kristen's show. It was her best friend.

So I always felt like I had that thing, like being respectful, like didn't want to overstep anything. So looking back on it, I don't feel like I was my normal self, but it was cool. And you would have been more, you're saying. Oh, I would have been nuts.

I mean, I probably would have gotten in trouble if I like had my own show. What happens, and be honest, when you and Kristen go out to dinner here? Admit it for real. No, you know. Is it gnarly it

Kristen and I are such homebodies and we actually do so much together and it's funny too like after the show I stopped posting if you follow me

on social media you know that I share like tons you know but I stopped posting Kristen and I together because it started to get like too weird

like people were writing me like weird comments always asking me about Kristen they started like comparing us to each other all the time and it got too weird so Like people were writing me like weird comments, always asking me about Kristen. They started like comparing us to each other all the time and it got to her. So I really keep like her private on my Instagram. Like we hang out like multiple times a week. We spend so much time

together, but I never really put on. You're just talking to her. You guys are best friends. Yeah. Yeah. But when we go out together here, I mean, Kristen is really, really famous, whether or not you're a fan of her, everybody knows who Kristen is, you know? So it's like here, yeah, there's a lot of people who are staring, but everyone's really nice. What happens in Nashville a lot though? It's like an interesting thing. I think there's like some pact

that like people in the South have where they don't bother people. So we'll all leave places and I'll get tons of DMs. Like, I just saw you. I love you so much. I wanted to say hi, but didn't want to bother you. Like people don't bother you that much here. But in LA, no one even comes up to you or DMs.

No. And they act like they don't care, but they'll talk about you behind their back. Isn't it weird how each city is like different? Yeah. Yeah. But I will say, I mean, I have to be totally honest. After doing that show, TV changes everything. TV puts you into a totally different place. You know, like I've always had followers on Instagram and people in the hair world knew who I was because I had such massive clients for such a long time. So people would know me in that realm.

But after you do TV, it's a freaking trip. Like walking through the airport, people pointing or just being like, I love you, Justin. And they keep on walking or whatever. Scoot and I together. So yeah, when I'm with Kristen, I noticed a lot more. We, I saw you guys went to Nantucket,

which we have to talk about later. But we like missed you by what yeah we were there for like over a month it's my favorite place in the world it's the first time we've ever been so yeah I wish we talked about it before but like on Nantucket it was wild like because everyone's drinking all the time you're having a good time and like so many people were coming up to us so but my point is is that's tv you Well, it's a small place too. It's like... Yeah, yeah. But TV changes all of that,

you know, because it's like when there's a show on E!, it's always on reruns. It's playing at some point so people see it. But I feel like if there's anybody

that is equipped to... I mean, you've been around... Jennifer Aniston, Margot Robbie, Chelsea Handler. have publicly put yourself out there for a while. So I imagine

while you're amplified, you probably handled it fine it seems. It has 100% helped all of that because that's not normal for anybody who all of a sudden

starts to get recognized. And I can feel really comfortable talking about this because I don't think it's a cool thing. I don't feel like I'm bragging. I'm also the type

that I'm not going to put it down and play too cool. Like, oh no, no one notices me or whatever. It's a wild thing when all of a sudden people start to recognize you from a TV show or something. But being around all of my clients for so long, it taught me so much. I don't take it seriously. I appreciate it.

I think it's cool. There's something about it that's kind of humbling a bit. But yeah, being around celebrities celebrities I learned a lot did you see an ugly side of certain things or people that you didn't see before you were on tv absolutely on social media so it's a trip like on social media like everything about like I'm not political I don't try and like do any of that I'm just like have fun be positive love everyone and that really is my personal like I don't try and like do any of that. I'm just like, have fun, be positive, love everyone. And that really is my personal, like, I don't have it in me to do the other side of it. But after you do show, like do a show like that, the DMS that start to come in. And I think that people think that because you shared your life on TV, they are, um, they deserve to know

everything about you. So the questions that start coming in or like, they think that it's okay for them to have an opinion about you, you know, like which I never noticed before. Having followers on Instagram before just being a hairdresser was totally different than after the show. Like I think when you do reality TV, you're opened up to like people being assholes. But it's probably cool for all of your celebrity clients and Kristen because now there's a commonality. You can maybe relate on certain things that you couldn't relate on before. It's maybe like a very helpful tool in your toolbox. Yeah, I'm so grateful for it because it's like, I want to try everything in life. Like,

I want to do everything. So like, I don't regret doing the reality TV show at all. I thought it was fun. Were there hard points? Absolutely. But I learned a a lot from it i think that i'm a stronger person because of it but yeah they're relating to people um i don't think people understand on the other i'm super passionate about the like be fucking nice on instagram like you have no idea what people are going through everything in life is relative i see so many people writing things like oh they're rich they can handle it Or they asked to be in the spotlight. It's like you guys, it all stings the exact same way. The other day, did you guys watch the D'Amelio documentary? No, I didn't.

Charlie and Dick. It's the trippiest thing in the world. It's on Hulu. Anybody listening? But it kind of shows the ugly side of social media and the way that people just feel like they can comment on anything. And it doesn't hurt me that much. I have strong, I have thick skin.

I kind of see where it's coming from. But for me, what bothers me is like, I didn't know people were that nasty and negative. I didn't, I didn't want to believe that existed out there. You, you, okay. You and I are exactly on the same page. He is completely different. He sees the world for what it is. Whereas I think it's like rainbows and butterflies. And I just can't believe that people would sit around and comment something mean to other people. It's like out of my ether. It's not that I don't, it's not that I don't, maybe not that I see the world for what it is.

I just understand that there's that element in the world. I didn't know that. I think you and Lauren like want to believe sometimes that like it's all. I mean, I don't waste my energy on anything that's not positive. So I just don't understand how anyone can... It's hurting them. Here's what I say on social.

If you're a... I get a lot of flack for this. I just don't care anymore. It's been too many episodes of just regurgitating. But what happens on a platform, on any kind of social platform, is if you're a normal, rational person who's in a good place, good mindset, happy with your life, you're not worried about what I'm doing or what Lauren's doing or what Justin's doing. You might like the content and say, hey, I'm following. I get some

pleasure out of that. It's nice to check in and check out and then go back to my normal life, being a normal person. But there's a segment of people, and I do think it's the minority, that are not in the best place in their life. And they take an opportunity for the first time in many of their lives to say, I have a microphone, I have a voice, I have a say. And so they're the loudest people. And what starts to happen is society starts to think that they're majority, that they're still a minority. Like if you go around in the normal world, there's not a bunch of lunatics running around screaming in your face, angry about what you're doing, right? It's so true. It's just these platforms finally give miserable people

that aren't happy with themselves a platform to be very loud. You can take that, like, you can be mad at me for saying it, but it's the truth, right? Like most of these people, if you saw them in public, would never say anything to you. And if they did, we would label those people as psychopath lunatics

and they'd be alienated from society, right? It's so, it's so true. It's so the minority. I think that it's given people a voice that didn't have a voice before. I mean, I say this in kind of a joking way, but I really mean it. I mean, if you look at your analytics on social media, like mine's like 98% women follow me, you know? So sometimes like when these women write really nasty things to me, in my head, I'm like, oh, this girl doesn't have a voice in her community or she doesn't have a voice in her

family, or maybe her husband doesn't let her have an opinion so she wants to tell me all of her opinions. You know, and so you see it for what it is, but yeah. Or she sees something in you that she feels she's lacking

and it brings out an insecurity. Here's the crazy part though is the second you respond and give them attention, they're nice. Oh, they're your best friend. That's all they wanted.

They just want, they want you to like acknowledge them and I also have no problem saying like, I will talk to people in the DMs and I'm just kind of like, Hey, what's going on? Like, why did you feel the need to say that to me?

Like what's really going on? And then it'll turn into a different conversation. I need to stop doing that. I've told you how I do that before. And I need to stop because it's like, it starts to get crazy. It could consume my whole life. But I feel like at the end of the day, people just want to be heard, you know? And I don't think people are just assholes because they're assholes.

I think people are hurting. And so like, for me, it's hard for me like i am a super empath like i feel feelings i want to help people so when i see somebody like hurting in a dm like that like i want to talk to him i want to get to the bottom of it and it always turns out to be that thing like oh no i just like something you i don't know it always that's why i never like i tell lauren i never get upset by it because like just deploying a little bit of empathy. Like once you have the framework of saying, okay,

like this person's not in the best headspace, they're upset, they're not happy with what's going on in their life. Like once you look at someone like that, you stop looking at them as like this mean bully

that's trying to tear you down and you look at them like, hey, like this is maybe somebody that's just not in a happy place in their life. So it's hard to be angry at someone like that. What are the good things

that came out of the show? Tell us the good things. Like what, I mean, obviously your brand is crushing it. You have the collab with Kristen. What are some really positive things? You've got to meet people. What else? Okay. So I first heard about Juneshine's hard kombucha through my sister-in-law, Jordan. She was raving about it. This is like years ago at her bachelorette party. And immediately I fell in love because I already like kombucha so much. I feel like it's fizzy. It's delicious. It's not too sweet. But then if you

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including Whole Foods, Safeway, Kroger, and Publix. Cheers. I would say, I mean, the real simple part of it is just getting to spend more time together. Kristen and I, we're the closest we've ever been. You know, we live in the same city. We spend all this time together. And like you said, there's kind of like this, we have this camaraderie now because we went through that period together. So that was really, really wonderful. Also, yeah, I mean, I have this camaraderie now because we went through that period together. So that was really, really wonderful. Also, yeah, I mean, I have to be honest. It did do really, really well for my business. When I went, when I moved to Nashville

and we were doing this whole thing and then we did the show, I remember a couple of producers on the show being like, this is going to help your business. And I remember my head being like, you guys are so full of shit. Like, what is it? Like DP Hugh was doing really well

before we were in Sephora, Ulta. Every influencer, every celebrity was talking about it too. Yeah, we had like our whole thing with the DP Hugh. We had all of my clients and influencers talking about the brand and stuff. But yes, when we did the show, I definitely saw it. It was like, oh, wow. You know, because it's like, but here's what I think that it is. People, you can't just have a ton of followers on Instagram and sell something.

People need to feel connected to you. So when you share your life on a reality show, they feel like they know you. They feel like they trust you. And then if you come to my Instagram, I share everything. I don't know how to lie. I don't know how to sell something I don't really like. Like there's no way I could do it. I would laugh through the whole thing. That's why I like getting you in this chair as you say it all. Yeah, I can't do that kind of stuff. So I feel like I'm grateful for that with the reality show. When you open up your life and you share it with people, they understand you. They feel like they're a part of your life. They trust you a bit. So it has been really, really good for me. I wouldn't say there's any bad negatives. When I first went to do the reality show, some of my biggest clients, and I won't name their names, but they're like, why are you doing that? What if you embarrass yourself? What if something terrible happens? I'm like, first of all, I don't say anything bad. I have no filter anyway. And I'm a good person, so it'll just show exactly who I am. But I was never afraid of it. I wasn't afraid of the reality. And nothing of what they said was true. I don't know why so many people in Hollywood were like, don't do a

reality show. That's going to be the death of you like whatever. And I'm like, no, it completely changed my life in a good way. And I also have the clout from before. Like I had a business. I worked with the biggest names in Hollywood. I wasn't going on to reality TV to try to be famous. I am Kristen's best friend. I did move to Nashville, you know,

and I just happened to share some of it on a reality show. But I wasn't going out searching for reality fame. Maybe also the type of show, right? Like it was like, I don't think people looked at Very Cavalier and were like, oh man, this is going to be a shit show. I watched every episode. I loved it. I really liked it. It was a good, like feel good show. I mean, I watched some of the worst reality TVs in the world and I wish there was a bit more drama and something spicy or like whatever, but it was a good show. And I wish there was a bit more drama and something spicy or like whatever.

But it was a good show. And it's something that 10 years from now, we could all go back and watch and be proud of it. You know what I mean? Like that's cool. Where maybe some other people

could do it. I almost was talking. Just like a really quick tangent because I'm obsessed. Real housewives of Salt Lake. It's like every housewife besides Potomac. Because Potomac, if you are sleeping on Potomac. Are you kidding?

I talk about Potomac. I do like recaps every week. I love Potomac so much. Who's your favorite? I need to know. This is really important. Okay, so I really love Wendy this season. I think Wendy's a badass.

And who cares if she wants to show her tits? Show her clit. Yeah, no. Wendy is such a badass. She has every right to do that. Also, when people say like, Wendy's a badass. And why, who cares if she wants to show her tits? Also that, yeah, no, Wendy is such a badass. She has every right to do that. Also when people say like, oh, she wasn't like that last season. Shouldn't we all grow?

I hope we're not the exact same. I hope we all grow. If she wants to come back next season as a nun, I'll like applaud her. Like, why do you have to be the same person all the time? I don't, I don't get it. Like, and that again, like that's something I get really fired up about because I'll start reading comments about,

I'm so passionate about Housewives, but when I see people talking shit about Housewives, I'm like, oh, you guys are missing the mark on every level. The people that people

are rooting on to, I'm like, oh, you're rooting for the ones that are actually evil in person. I mean, Lisa Rinna is heaven and people try to hate on her so hard.

They're like, I don't know. I think people are afraid of strong people on TV. We just had Spencer on the show. I love Spencer. I think people are afraid of like strong people on TV we just talked about we just had Spencer on the show which I can't I love Spencer

I mean he's like my messy twin brother and I think like you should hear how he says Kristen's the only billionaire out of the hills oh he says

I mean listen I love that this will come this will be his episodes out when this will come out but he was just talking about like

you need the people like a Kristen or a Spencer or at least or a Jax hello you need these 100%

or a James Kennedy or like these people that bring you know they bring it to the show because if not Karen Huger what are we watching

oh yeah La Dom you absolutely need that and that's also when I see like the fans hating on those people so much I'm like you would be so bored if they weren't there

like cut it out you know and a lot of these people amp up their personality, obviously, for the show. I'm super passionate about that. I totally agree with something that you said. And it kind of brings me to my next question. You said with Wendy, she came back dressing how she wants to dress and people are like, you changed. Like, it's a bad thing to change. And I think what you said about reality television, what I respect so much about what you did is you were headed in this direction with DP Hugh House and all these celebrities and influencers to do one thing.

And you just decided, I'm going to disrupt myself and I'm actually going to move and do things on my terms and do a reality show. And I'm going to build my business and I'm going to do it the way I want to do it. Can you talk a little bit about how that transition was for you? Well, this is something I've never talked about before and I don't know if I'm going to make perfect sense of it because I've never talked about this before, but I really, really believe it. Part of my thing, I don't think

that living in LA and working with celebrities and partying with celebrities and going to Craig's every weekend is relatable to anybody. And so there was a part of me being like, I want to be grounded. I want to connect with people. I love America. I'm a proud American. Like I want to get out there and I want to talk to normal people, you know? And I felt like when I'm in that world of working with Jennifer Aniston, Gwyneth Paltrow, Margot Robbie, you get put in this different box. Like, oh, that guy is... It's unattainable. Yeah. And so there was a part of me like, I wanted to get out of that.

I didn't want to be connected to Hollywood and LA. You know, I was doing all these like hair shows where it was like celebrity colorist, Justin, you get up on the stage and people are cheering for you and everything is celebrity questions. And it was like, that was cool at the beginning of my business. But like, I didn't want to be that forever. I didn't want to be a 50-year-old man talking about celebrities and like celebrity hair trends. I don't think that that's the future either. I mean, I think there's a thing too. A lot of people are turned off by

celebrities right now because they feel like they're on it. You know, COVID taught us a lot. It's like that whole thing where like, we're all in it together and then they're like, yeah, but it's like, but they're not, they're on a different, and no, not putting them down, but it's not relatable at all. You know, it's like most celebrities're not they're on a different and no not putting them down but it's not relatable at all you know it's like most celebrities don't leave their house

so lockdown was just kind of normal you know like they're there with their staff so there was a big part of me that like

being here in the south like I wanted to be around different people the neighborhood that I'm in right now like Scoot and I are for sure the only gay guys

in the neighborhood I mean we live in like we're in a suburb you know it's like all families around us we are like we're the first gay guys in the neighborhood. I mean, we live in like, we're in a suburb, you know, it's like all families around us. We are like some, we're the first gay guys that a lot of our neighbors have ever met. But it's like the conversations that I'm having with people and connecting with people in real different ways.

We're not talking about money. We're not talking about movies. We're not talking about celebrities. It has been so good for me. It's brought me back to like who I always want to be like as a kid, you know, but I'll always have those celebrity stories in the Hollywood stuff. But that was the best part about it. And that's been good for my business because it's like I'm making products for women that aren't going to the salon every three weeks or women who aren't spending $600 on their

highlights, you know? So like, how am I going to be in Hollywood working with these celebrities, but then trying to sell my products to the rest of the country? I want to relate to them. I want to get to know them. What are your issues with your hair? What is realistic? So it's been good for me. You just articulated how I feel. And now that I have a daughter, I don't really want her growing up in an area that it's so much about what you look like and what you're wearing. And that's what you're leading with. I think people through COVID are starting to realize that leading with your looks is pretty fucking boring. Oh my gosh. And it's getting so much worse. And I used to get in trouble a lot with clients in LA because they would ask me,

you know, like, do you even scoot when I have kids? And I would say without really hesitating, because I meant it, I was like, I don't want to raise kids in la so i don't unless we were out of la and this is years ago when we're back in la and they'd say to me like oh you can absolutely raise kids it's fine i was like but it's not true like you can't you send your kids to the school and then they go to school with other kids who might it's just impossible to raise kids in la i really do think so sorry to anybody listening who's from la but it's like it's a it just puts so much more against you. No, I started thinking about, we just, we said the same thing. And again, like, I don't want to make this shitting on LA forever, but like my worst nightmare is to be part of like a PTA and some like hoity toity private school where

like people are comparing what they're driving and like what grades are kids. Like, I don't like, I just don't want that. If that works for you, great. But like, it's, you know, Lauren and I both public school people, like we don't, it's a nightmare works for you, great. But Lauren and I are both public school people. It's a nightmare. And I think you nailed it on the head. People always give... I think they look at the superficial thing like, oh, you move for taxes or this, whatever. And I'm like, no, it's so much deeper than that.

It's so nice to go and live in a neighborhood when you walk around, people stop and say hello and talk what you're doing and walk your dog. Or what about when you sleep and there's no sound? No sound at all. We sleep, my cortisol has gone down. Oh yeah, unbelievable. I love it.

When we moved into our house, I've always had a fascination with the South since I was a little kid. I just loved the whole idea of it. When we moved here, I mean, Southern hospitality is real. All of our neighbors came over with casseroles, dishes, met all of us. I talk to my neighbors all, they're our friends. Like our dog goes over with casseroles, dishes, met all of us. I talked to my neighbors. They're our friends. Our dog goes over and plays with our one neighbor down the street.

We go to dinners with them, whatever. I wanted that, and I didn't have that in LA. The last place that we lived in LA, we lived in this really— The Sierra Towers, it's on Sunset. The most chic building in LA. We were on the 26th floor with this sick view looking down Sunset Boulevard. At one point, I really was sitting in our apartment and it was like this insane, we were renting it from Sandra Bullock. We were in Sandra Bullock's apartment because we were trying to figure out where we wanted to buy our next place and never met my neighbor

across the way. I swear we would open the door and I'd hear them opening at the same time. They'd shut it to wait because nobody even wanted to talk to each other in LA, you know, or it's like you'd go into the elevator. They wouldn't even look up from their phone. And I remember I just had like a serious moment in that apartment. I was sitting there looking down Sunset Boulevard late at night. It's all lit up. And I was like, this is so fake, this whole thing. And where does this go? Like, and I always think about myself 10, 15 years with everything, my business, you know, my friendships, everything. And I was sitting there, I was like, do I want to be sitting in this apartment when I'm 55 years old, still doing the same?

And it just, it wasn't fulfilling to me. And now I ride my bike down the street. I talk to my neighbors. Like you wave at everyone. I, for the first time, like impatient, you know, people drive so slow here. And now I'm just like, it's cool. Like life, that's how life happens. I love, and like people sit on both sides. I like it's cool like life that's how life happens I love and like I

like people sit on both sides I think it's weird that they sit on like I am very proud to be an American proud to be in this country I love you walk around the neighborhood there's American flags that like there's a disdain in some of these like metropolis cities for what America is I'm like you it's so delusional because you can look at what's going on in the world and like how do you not contextualize and realize like you have it very good if you're living here. By the way, not everyone has to think like that. Sure.

That's the beauty of where we live. You can love LA and love it and that's great. And if you want to raise And more power to you. Great.

Yeah, I respect. I would never fight someone on that and be like, oh no, I'm like, I love that you love it. But for me, it didn't work

and I think that's the biggest, I mean, this is a massive conversation but I think that that's what we're missing the most is not agreeing. Like, why do we all now have to yell the same thing at the same time? And if you don't, you're weird. I, on social media, I don't want to talk about politics ever. I never want to talk about politics. I grew up in a house where my parents said, don't talk about politics. Don't talk about money. You know, we knew what questions not to

ask. My parents, crazy conservative, all growing up. My mom had a picture of Bush in her car on the wind, you know, and our neighbors across the street were very, very liberal. And my parents were best friends and they'd have conversations, never got heated or whatever. I just, that freaks me out also about where we live. People, they, there's this thing right now. I've had so many smart people I know tell me like, you have to pick a side. And I'm like, well, every side has some relevant points.

It's not like one side has no good points and the other side has no good points. Like there's relevancy on both sides. It's just we're losing the ability to have nuances. We also don't have to do anything. And I don't, I don't, I hate the idea. How about that? We don't have to do anything. Sure.

I just hate the idea that it's like the us versus them. There's no room for conversation. There's no room for gray area. And then if you're not on one side, you're against the other side, right? It's like, that is a very strange and foreign concept to me. Because the only way, if I'm running a business, I'll just take it as a business, or I'm in a relationship, it's impossible to be productive and have success with either unless there's disagreements and nuances and where you're talking to and finding the actual best idea,

right? Totally. Or the best way to do something. If I went in like, this is the only way to do something, the only way I'll be in a relationship. If I told Lauren, it's my way or the highway,

we're not going to work. Exactly. From a micro standpoint too, and this is something that I've wanted to say for a while, and this is the perfect conversation. We have had people on this podcast that I do not agree with.

All the time. People want me to take down episodes of people that they don't agree with. I've had thousands of DMs about certain people. I will never take down an episode because it's polarizing and you don't agree with them. And also that is life. Hello. Everyone needs to stop with this whole thing. Like that is life. That's the beauty of life.

And by the way, this podcast is a media outlet. And if I could go interview someone in jail who killed someone, I would because I want to see their perspective and their story. It's a media outlet. It's not saying I agree with a murder.

We've gotten to this point where you can't even post anything or anyone or do anything without someone being fucking pissed off. No, the bigger issue is that people feel that they should be guarded from things that upset them, right? Like that's not realistic.

Like Demi Lovato and the frozen yogurt. Yeah, that was like, made sense of everything to me. I'm like, bitch, come on. The world doesn't revolve around your insecurity. Yes, it's strange. Like I don't like if now we have a young child and like, I want to equip her to deal with life, right?

When things come at her, I want her to be able to contextualize, say, okay, like, what's the decision I need to make? I don't want her to be like, oh, I don't like hearing that. So I got to be guarded and shielded. Like, I want her to know what's actually happening in the world around her and then form an opinion.

Totally. I totally agree. My thing is though, it's just like, when were we told that we all had to talk about everything all the time? You know, like people who follow me are like, I'm so disappointed in you that you didn't talk about this topic. And I'm like, did you not see it 15 times on your feed today? You need one more of the exact same meme. I get, I mute everyone now when they're just the same thing over and over. You know who I talk to about, about real issues that I'm passionate about a lot. Trust me, you don't want me to start getting loud on social media because it would get annoying.

I am aware. I'm a self-aware person. But you know who I talk to? Good friends. I call friends who are very educated on topics, you know, and I talk to them about things and we have conversations. You don't go to Twitter right away? Yeah. I don't need to bring it to Instagram. I don't need to go to Twitter to do that. And I think that that is actually our problem. People are learning from Facebook. When people say to me, why aren't you talking about this? I'm like, why do you want me to, is more of the question. You know, this whole thing where it's like, are you basing your opinion off of what I'm going to say? Or are you looking for me to get crucified in the comments? Because

let's be honest, like our country is 50-50 on pretty much everything right now, right? So when you say something, you're pissing off half the people. If there was a topic that no one was talking about that I thought needed some attention, I'd absolutely come in and talk about it. You know, bring up, what do you guys think about this? Maybe we should think. But when we're all shouting the same thing all the time,

it's not going anywhere. You're just turning everybody off. There is a world too offline. Like, I have have you know i share probably 30 to 40 percent of my life on instagram but i do have another life offline where i'm talking and sharing i don't i live right in the internet i would love for you to speak more justin um and this is a topic that you and i have talked about when i've been in your chair, I think when you were bleaching me blonde, I miss it, about self-awareness because that's a missing art. So every morning I have a pretty specific supplement and vitamin routine. It's not

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Well, what do you want to know? Like, what do you think about me? It stands or speaks to that. I think that you are very... Set me up is what I'm saying. I think you're very self-aware. I think that it's lacking right now, especially. Is there any maybe tactics or tips

that you could give someone who feels that maybe they don't know they're not aware because they're not self-aware, but is there any tips that you would give for someone that needs to work on self-awareness? You've been the same since the moment we met you to the moment we joined. I mean, you've changed in ways and obviously your life's evolved, but you're the same person at the core. Yeah. I take pride in being grounded. I also don't take myself for anything that I do really seriously, you know, and I always want to make

sure that like I'm very aware of who I am and I'm true to that. But I'm also like, I'm just like, I'm respectful of people's feelings. I'm not the type that wants to go onto social media and start fights with people or like, put up things that are going to like piss people off. And I think that's something that a lot of people are missing nowadays. You know, it's like, when you think about what Instagram really was about, it was for us to make each other feel connected and to make us laugh. And I think that what a lot of people don't realize that I try to do my mission and I'm not being cheesy because I don't need to sell myself here or anything like that. As far as I want to show positivity, I want to show kindness. I want to show listening, you know, like trying to give something, give people something to like make them smile for the day. That's what I contribute. If you contribute to loud messages about things that are political

and you're passionate, that's on you. But don't ask me why I'm not doing it. Or don't say, Justin, I'm so disappointed that you're not posting about this kind of stuff. Because I really stand by the fact like, do you think the internet's lacking that? Do you think we're not getting enough of that thrown in our face all day long? So when I lead with love, I think that that actually changes things. 98% of my followers are women, right? So those are women. They're not following me because they think Scoot's hot or they want to date me or whatever it is. They're there for a reason. If I can show compassion and love, maybe then later if we're fighting again about gay marriage, maybe we'll be like, oh, I love Justin and Scoot and I've

watched this beautiful relationship between the two of them. That's going to change minds. I'm not going to go on there and be like, I'm against your religion, whatever. I don't know. I just feel like everyone does it wrong. When you like, you need to lead with example,

be positive, be kind. Does that make sense at all? It makes total sense. And I think that what you just said is so smart. Having an intention with social media. I know my intention whenever I create content is what is the takeaway for the person? And like, whether yours is love or whether yours is information or education or entertaining or aspirational or engaging, whatever it is,

I do think it's important if you have a social following to have that intention. I think like being self-aware is realizing also that not everything that's important to you is important to everybody else. Yes. Right? And like people get really upset

about that because they could be super passionate about a specific subject or something that's going on in the world and they take it as a personal offense

if you are also not as fired up or excited about that topic or whatever's going on. And I find that very strange because we talk about being self-aware. I guarantee we could come up with 10 topics and rate them from a scale of one to 10

and we'll all have different levels of importance. But we, but I, if I'm not being self-aware, I'm like, well, this one issue, if it's not as important to Justin as it is to me, then he is against me. He's wrong. I have to educate him. Right.

Like I'm sick of people telling me, you need to educate yourself. Or do better. Right. Or do better. Oh, please. That is condescending. What I told you. Do better is condescending.

The most important thing to me in the world, more than anything, more than anything, more than any human rights, is the well-being of turtles. And if you don't believe that, you're my fucking enemy. People will be like,

you're a psychopath. But this is what happens is people get their ego involved and they start to say, well, this thing, since it's so important to me and it's so important to my friends, needs to be just as important to you. That's where you lose nuance

and that's where you lose people because you can't relate. We're not looking at it the same way from the same perspective. It's so true. I hate to change the subject from turtles, but everyone on the internet that I asked wants to know about your friendship with Craig and Austin.

Is it real? Oh, Craig and Austin. Is it real? Oh, Craig and Austin from Southern Charm. It is a very real relationship. I love them so much. You know, it's funny when Kristen and I first met Craig and Austin, we went to one dinner with them. I posted a picture because I post everything. And then all of a sudden it's like, who's Kristen dating? Craig or Austin? Turn us a whole fucking thing that happens every time Kristen's around anyone. And I've learned it now. It's like, I don't, that's why I don't post anything, you know, because it's like, it'll turn into something. But the thing with Craig and Austin, we went to dinner for the first time together in Southern Charm. I made the friendship happen pretty much. And to be really honest,

I'll be honest on this podcast. Kristen was like, Justin, I don't want to, people are going to talk about it, like whatever. And I'm like, no, Kristen, we need friends as adults and we need to feel comfortable meeting people that are new and whatever. So when we left that dinner, Kristen was like, how rad was that? That we just made two really good friends. We had things in common. We had just finished very Cavalieri. They were filming Southern charm. So we had all these connections, best night ever. Like, you know, those dinners where you don't want to leave dinner, you're talking so much, whatever. And then it turned into like a shit storm. So, uh, yes, we are still all friends. They came and visited us here.

They stayed at my place in Nashville. We've gone down to Charleston. We hung out with them. Now we're quiet about our relationship. Because if you talk about it, these people are just weird about everything. But yeah, absolutely two really good friends that I've made in my adult life. We're all really on a group chat,

supportive of one another. But people make it weird and it sucks. You know who my favorite Southern Tron person is? A Pat. Patricia. Patricia. Well, you know, it's funny when people, I wish you guys could have come to my house on this trip,

but I want to live in a house like Patricia. Like I am an old Southern woman at heart. Like her house to me is heaven. Like I've always lived in like modern places in LA and now it's like, I want to be Patricia when I'm older. Like that house is heaven. When we went- And you guys went into it. Well, she was explaining.

We did a podcast there with her, which was trippy. But she was explaining. I think it used to… I'm going to butcher this. And everyone from Charleston is going to get mad. I think it used to be the Charleston Library or something. Like, it's a very historical building. Oh, really?

And then, obviously, they got it and they redid it. But, yeah, it's a pretty incredible place. It's like a very old, historical… Just a fabulous building. No, she's incredible. I've always been a fan of Southern Charm, watched it the whole time. And so the way that the friendship happened was I love to support people on reality TV because I love reality TV. So if anybody that I like from reality TV puts out a product, I buy it, right? Like I'll buy everything just out of support. So Craig had his brand. I loved his whole storyline. I love Naomi too, but they had their little tiff or

whatever. And she was making fun of his sewing. So I was like, I'm going to buy all his products. I do this all the time. When I like somebody, I'll buy their products. So I bought all this stuff. When Kristen and I got stuck in the Bahamas for like a month at the beginning of COVID, I was wearing his sewing down South hat every single day, like on the beach. So he ended up writing me. He's like, dude, that's so nice that you're supporting. That's how the friendship started. So then we started talking or whatever. And then we went down there. So yeah, I forgot you got stuck down there that whole time. Yeah. Why was everyone so pissed about that? Is it because COVID was a new thing? Because people want to get mad about everything. And the thing is too, is like, okay, so we had this trip planned for… People need to realize that like Kristen's every moment of her life is planned out

because she has three kids with a school and a work… So we had this trip planned forever. COVID was just kind of starting to get… This is in like March 2020? Yes, like right when it was starting. So the trip was planned. There was nothing kind of like don't travel yet or any of that kind of stuff. And again, I'll be totally honest. Like we flew private, we flew private down there. We went down

there and we're there and we were supposed to be there for like, I think a week. Right. Well, then they started talking about COVID and remember all of us were kind of like, Oh, this will be a two week thing. We're going to ride this out. So we, we were just like everyone else. We were down there and we're like, okay, let's just stick around. You know, like we'll, we'll stick it out for two weeks. We're in this beautiful place. We're on a quiet island. Nobody is there. We're on a really private island. Well, all of a sudden the two week thing happened and they started really talking about it. And it wasn't this thing of race home, it's going to get weird. They're kind of like, it's weird right now, but we were like, oh, one more week and then it'll get better.

Next thing we know, we're there for a month. And then they started saying, hey, if you don't leave now, you might get stuck here. So it happened very normal. And people online started being like, oh, what are these people doing down there? Like avoiding COVID. We were in the most safe place you could be in COVID. We weren't talking to anyone. We were around nobody. And we thought we were riding it around, riding it out like the rest of all you fuckers. So it's like when you guys are calling people out, like we were in it too with you. We didn't know what was happening. So it turned into this whole like shit. It's not like you had a handbook on like what to do in a pandemic. Yeah, exactly. Nobody knew. And then I also think it was like people maybe assumed that like

we didn't go to one restaurant the entire time we're there. We were eight in the house, everything like we're there with kids. So we were in the best spot that we could be. And then flying private, it wasn't like we got onto a busy plane later. Like we just, you know, so it was just an interesting thing. but that was when i first realized i'm like oh these people are crazy about everything and i get it you're sensitive like everyone's sensitive about things like i am being i am sweet i but it was just weird to watch that whole thing go down i mean it was um i also i just want to note that if you had flown back home people would have gotten mad that you were quote unquote there's no way they wanted you to get in a sailboat and sail exactly exactly also you know i they would have said you can't

you would have said if you would have traveled they would have said how dare you travel during this you could be like right and that is what i've learned the most this past year you know everyone's locked down their house they're standing at the phone everyone's angry and they're mad at the phone you'll never win no matter what happens. Like you have to just stop trying to win. I mean, I remember like we had a gym set up outside on that trip in the Bahamas and Kristen and I work out every single day and we're working on people like that's so insensitive. You're just going to the gym and working out. And I'm like, there's no one around like this. I don't know. And, but, but I get get it maybe how dare you take care of yourself but

in our defense at that time no one really knew what was happening it was all so new you know like whatever um in the height of it of course i wouldn't just be working out on a tropical island like what are you bitches doing i'm on a tropical beach today like but it was so early and all that we didn't know what was happening it was weird i have a question that i feel like the audience is gonna love and this is a selfish question for me too. What is the trick to a fucking phenomenal blowjob? A phenomenal blowjob. Well, this just took a turn.

That's what the show is though. It's Chex Mix. You never know what you're going to get. I love it. People are very bad at blowjobs, right? Like I've had bad blowjobs. You don't want any teeth involved. I think everybody's

different I like uh there to be a lot of moisture down there whether it be some coconut lube from woo or but you need to get the endorsement yeah you need the saliva in there the hand movements happening um oh wow my scoot's just so good I are you a ball person i don't want much going on with my ball oh michael's a ball person yeah nothing to each his own yeah and nothing makes me uncomfortable i just uncomfortable about sex talks i wish i had like better like tips or whatever like um i need to go back and read lisa rena's book where she talks about the perfect coin does she you coin it so you take your finger and you put it at the tip of your thumb and you squeeze slightly

but not too tight and you twist as you coin while you're grabbing the balls I don't mean to brag listen there's a reason she got the ring am I a trick

and then Weston just gave me such a good tip Weston's out there blowing guys Weston told me that his ex-girlfriend looked at him

and said, jack yourself off while I lick your balls. Oh my God. Well, here's the thing. The fact that you're even asking means that you care. So you're probably going to give a good blowjob. And the same thing with a guy. A guy should ask questions about like,

what's the best way to go down on a woman? Like you should care. You need to put the work into it. I feel like a lot of people- I find it strange when people say like, like they shut that area down. I'm like, well, like you're limiting yourself because there's going to be certain activities

that you preclude yourself from that are going to be limiting once someone's making a final decision. Yeah. And you're like, hey, I'm shutting that door because I don't like it. I'm like, well, there's many that have that door open. So we, you might have just,

if it was a game show, you might have just X'd yourself off the show. Right. Sex is so important. I think it's, I love sex more than anything. I mean, I am a true Scorpio. Like I love sex so much. As you guys know,

Lauren and I have been on this fitness wellness kick for a while now, approaching 70 days, no alcohol, daily movement, being active, eating well, because I think after the year that we just had, obviously health has been at the forefront of all of our conversations and thoughts and just taking care of yourself is extremely important as we've seen. Here's something that we're excited to talk about, a new partnership with Fight Camp. If you guys have been following us over the pandemic and over the last few years, we have been boxing a lot. Many of you know I grew up boxing.

I think it's one of the most incredible workouts for staying in shape, for keeping your cardio up, for keeping your mind sharp. Lauren got in. Boy, do your muscles look good. My muscles look good. Wow, me out. But also, even for you,

Lauren just started boxing this last year. What do you think of it? I'm obsessed with boxing. And during the pandemic, we couldn't get out as much as possible. So when Fight Camp sent us this at-home boxing situation, I was obsessed. And I'm not going to lie. One of the things I love about their at-home boxing gym is it's white.

We put ours in our garage. And all I have to do is go outside with my matching white Fight Camp boxing gloves. And I can just work out in my garage super easy. Here's the thing. People get frustrated with working out and fitness and staying in shape because they plateau. A lot of people don't talk about this. They plateau because they do the same thing over and over again.

Maybe you're doing cycling all the time and you're starting to plateau and not get results. Adding in something like boxing is incredible because it's going to get your body guessing again. It's going to start getting you results that you haven't seen before. There's thousands of classes online. If you're new, if you're intermediate, if you're just getting started, that can teach you their quick workouts.

You can jump right in. And not to mention, it's extremely important for brain development and brain fitness. Boxing makes you think. One of my favorite things about Fight Camp, though, is you can get a killer workout in 20 minutes. That is very important. Now is the best time to get your Fight Camp. Take advantage of their holiday deal going on now. If you purchase this November, you're going to get an additional pair

of gloves for free. Just go to joinfightcamp.com slash skinny to get an additional pair of gloves for free all November. You're going to go to joinfightcamp.com slash skinny. Joinfightcamp.com slash skinny. I recommend the whole white setup. It's so cute and looks very nice in the home. And you said you're a nighttime sex person. Well, because I have to be because of Scoot. I mean, I could do it. I love middle of the day sex. I love when you're like walking by in the kitchen,

you kind of catch eyes and it's like, you can go in there. Like that's the hottest sex in the world to be like unexpected. I love it too. I love, I told Michael, I could have sex every single day. Yeah. She could. But you know what?

I'm not like that with everyone. Like I'm not… If Michael and I weren't together… No. If Michael and I weren't together, I'm not into one night stands. Because I'll tell you why. You don't know each other's bodies. It's not hot.

No. Like yeah. It's not. It's always like a disappointment, I feel like. Scoot and I had chemistry right away. But like our sex, like the longer we're together, it just gets better and better, you know? And yeah, because you learn about each other's body

and all that. Was this in Very Cavallari? No, we didn't get to talk about any of that stuff. I was so tame on that one. I watched it like, who is that guy? I want to be sappy. What do you love about Scoot? I love that man so much.

And I'm not like, no, I'm a hopeless romantic. And I love being in love. I've been in two really long relationships back to back in my adult life. So it's been Scoot and then my ex, Bob, who are still friends. But Scoot, everything about love made sense once I met Scoot. I mean, he, to this day, like he's the best listener. He's so patient. He is the kindest person I've ever met my entire life. But for me, what changed it for me is love languages are massive. And I think that if anybody doesn't know what their love language, you need to go and figure it out right now. Because I feel

like that's how you should, your relationship should go off of that i am acts of service and i'd never had anybody just like selfish selflessly do things for me and be comfortable with it like scoot takes care of me like nobody else and he says things to me that people that no one has ever said to me before that i feel so safe with him where scoot says things like justin you work so hard you You deserve a day off. Or you're so kind. You take such good care of other people. Let people take care of you. Where I grew up in a house where my mom was the type, she had four kids. She did the best that she could. But my mom was like, if I was sick, she's like, you're not sick. Go to school. So I never felt that real, I didn't feel nurtured or taken care of. So as an adult, that was an issue for me. I didn't let people take care of me. Scoot takes such good care of me. What's the little thing he does? Does he make you a sandwich

after a blowjob? What's the little thing he does that maybe someone who's listening? He does so many and he really does because he's such a thoughtful person. But when I fly, he knows how I eat really, really healthy. And I'm the type, if I go to the airport without food for the plane, I will eat the whole airport. Like I'll be like, oh, Sparrow, like let's get chicken nuggets, like whatever. So Scoop makes me like meals for the plane. And it's so like perfectly packaged. It's like the most healthy meal ever. Like there's a fork in there with the salad dressing set aside, you know, like whatever. So he does that cooking for us every night. He sets up, we love to eat on a TV tray in bed, sets it up. And if we don't eat in bed, we eat in front of the TV on our cop. We have two beautiful tables, like eating tables in our house. One has 12

chairs. The other has eight. We've never ate at the tables. We ate there twice. Like we've had people come over. So he sets up beautiful places. Our house is just so cozy, and he makes it really cozy. Can you send me the link to the TV tray? Because I saw Kathy Hilton eating on a TV tray with Kyle Richards at her house, and she made it look so fucking fabulous. Did you see that scene? Yeah, I did. I am so obsessed with Kathy, and I know Kathy from before the show.

And it was funny when I heard that she was going to be on the show. I was like, is she going to get to be herself? Because she is the best kind of person on earth. I've never laughed so hard with somebody in my chair. Like she makes you laugh so hard. She's fucking rad. I mean, the woman's loaded. She could be a bitch.

She could be so shut down. She's so warm and whatever. So when I saw her on the show, I was like, hell yes. Like everyone's getting to see exactly what she likes. She's wonderful. But yeah, i'll give you the stuff for our i need a tv tray we have trays all over the place i have some really like fabulous cool ones um and then we have some just like sturdy ones that just work really well patricia sent me the link to her her white wicker i'll send you the link to this. Sully and something

where you put your newspapers in on the side and your egg coddler and your butler ringer. I mean, Patricia is my woman. Kathy Hilton and Patricia in my mind is who I'm going to be

later in my life. So when I saw the TV trades, I screamed. Because Scoot always, when Kathy's talking on TV, he's like, you and Kathy are the same person.

You guys are the exact same person. I'm like, I am. I'm like an old woman. But when TV, he's like, you and Kathy are the same person. Like, you guys are the exact same person. I'm like, I am. I'm like an old woman. But when I saw Patricia's bathtub, because I take a bath every single day, but her bathtub with all the products around, I mean, that's heaven to me. She lives the life. In her caftan. And it is kind of nice.

It's inspo. If Michael and I ever get divorced or like i kill him or something like to just be single in my caftan with my egg coddler and a butler making me a martini at five o'clock like that is such inspiration you work so hard now that later like i really i want to have a good old-fashioned retirement like i want to check out like when people talk about like oh what am i gonna do after this? I'm like, I'm going to do nothing. I am literally going to watch Housewives all day long reruns of my favorite show. I mean, I say that, but I love to work and I'm such a hustler. I'll always have

like projects going on, but I want to have a real old fashioned retirement. Like I want to be on a beach somewhere taking baths multiple times a day. So working out outside. Yeah, she made it happen. Doing all the things. I want to know more about your business. Talk about your business on a day-to-day, how you're involved, what's going on with DP Hugh. Tell us all the things. So now the business, you know,

it's wild because COVID kind of changed everything. We're doing all these Zoom calls, phone calls. I try to be involved with as much as I can, but I really do have so many things going on. So I'm involved with all of the like, what products are coming out next. I talk to our marketing team all the time and kind of see where it's happening. But we're at a place where the business is happening. It's just kind of rolling. And it's not like, you know, back when I was in the DP Hugh house, I had my hands in so many things and I was doing so many things. And I was also doing all of my clients at the time. So doing house calls and stuff, but now it's a bit more manageable, but

it feels more stressful in a different way. If that makes any sense, like I'm on a lot of phone calls now listening to numbers and time and I don't live, I don't love that. You know, I I'm sure like you probably do Michael, like maybe numbers get you excited. I'm, I want to be out and creative and I want to like entertain and talk and all that kind of stuff. So that's- Yeah, you want to be more of like a face. Yeah, I fully get it. But I also think it's not just a face. I think that you're a visionary. No, I'm a visionary. And I'm also like, I- It does a disservice to the business to have you be the guy that's crunching the numbers.

Like that's not your best strength. Sitting on phone calls, like our exec team and I, and we're at a place in our business where I love everyone. We have such a good team. Everyone is passionate. They work really hard. They're invested in the company. But a lot of times when I sit on calls, I'm just kind of like, this is a waste of my time because I already trust my team. I think it's a mistake that people, especially founders making businesses later, like you start off, you kind of have to do everything because it's just you and your small team. But as it grows, they start to think they still need to do everything. When it's like really like your strength team. But as it grows, they start to think they still need to do everything. Do all those things.

When it's like really like your strength is being the talent, being the creative, being the face. Like that's how you're going to best serve the business. And getting you on some accounting call is, I mean, you should be aware. But it's not a good use of your time. So that kind of stuff is kind of hard for me. And I don't love that part of it. But the business is good.

All of our products, you know, I was a colorist for so many years. And all those years in the salon, I would listen to women's complaints all day long. And I really listened. And there's so many things that we're missing in the hair world, especially with color. So all of our products take care of issues that women would have with their hair color fading, things turning brassy, things turning yellow, color not being as bright. So all of our products take care of those different issues. We have so many different products now that take care of covering gray hair, whether it be permanent or temporary.

So all of our products have like a specific purpose. And then we are starting to come out with, I could talk about it here, but we're coming out with all styling products that are good for hair color. What people don't realize, and this will be massive when people start to understand it. When I was doing all this like beautiful blonde hair in LA, it would look beautiful the day they'd leave the salon. You go out and you start using all these products

that you don't even realize dole out your color, make things yellow, you know? Like I remember there'd be certain clients that I, like Miley Cyrus, when she was platinum, it'd be platinum. But if she goes out and she uses any weird products that they have certain perfumes in or certain, like, do you remember Moroccan oil when it first came out? Don't even start me on that. It was like, yeah, it was orange. So it makes everyone's blonde hair orange. So all these people are like, why is my hair brassy? And the colors were getting blamed for it. So anyways, styling products are massive for hair color. So I'm making the best. We've been

really working on this because I want them to be the best styling products that you can get, but they won't affect your color. They won't make it fade. They won't turn it weird colors. So we're coming out with that. And I'm super passionate about that because that's where the damage happens. I am a huge fan of your apple cider vinegar shampoo and conditioner. If you guys were to start with one product, that would be my recommendation. What would you say your recommendation would be? It would be the, so the, we have the apple cider vinegar shampoo,

the soothing shampoo, and then we have the ACV rinse. I really, really believe. Oh, excuse me. I said, I said conditioner. It's rinse. Yeah, we said we have the rinse. So what it is like,

my biggest thing is I think that we have all been taught to over shampoo, over shampoo our hair. We don't need to shampoo our hair all the time. Our hair should take care of itself. You should be able to go. People get so grossed up. You should be able to go like seven days without washing your hair. Two weeks. Yeah. Because people, when you're sudsing up your hair every single day, you're stripping all the good stuff out. Then most people go and they blow dry their hair. So it's like a double deal. But you have shorter hair.

I'm not worried about you. I don't know any of this, but I will tell you, I only wash my hair like every seven to 10 days. People might be grossed out. I mean, I obviously get it wet and change it, but I feel like I don't need to wash it all the time. Which product would you give to him? The rinse? The rinse.

I mean, it's amazing. I feel like you need the natural kind of like oils in your hair. Yeah, you definitely do. It's the weirdest thing in the world that we like suds up and soap up our scalp. Our body should know how to take care of itself, you know? So anyways, the ACV rinse is the most gentle way to clean your hair without using shampoo. So I say everybody get the ACV rinse right away and start to alternate your shampoos because shampooing the hair is where all the damage happens.

People think that it's like, you know, styling definitely adds to it. But if you're sudsing up your hair every day, rinsing out, you are drying your hair. You're taking out the good oils that are protecting the hair. So I want everyone to pull back from shampooing so much. So the ACV rinse is amazing. And we just came out with the ACV rinse light for anybody who has really fine hair or they don't want their hair to be weighed down. It's the same exact product, ACV Rinse, but it's a light version. So it won't like weigh the hair down because it makes your hair really, really soft. The best thing about you is that you were a practitioner before you launched your business. You were in the chair, like you said, talking to

women, finding out what was wrong. And so you got to collect all this information that you wouldn't have had access to. Yeah. And I think that for me, you know, like I have every reason to be exactly where I'm at. I've put the time in. I've worked really, really hard. I didn't just say, oh, I want to start a product line. I just started like I have all the years. I know what people complain about. And I could never just put out another shampoo, you know, and put my fragrance on it and then put my name on it. That never interests me. And when this all very first started, my partner Donna came to me with this idea and we kind of started to collab together.

But it was at a time where when you start doing something like Jennifer Aniston, everyone wants to make a product with you. So like right when I started doing like Jennifer, Miley, Gwyneth Paltrow, those kind of girls, all these people come to us and they're like, we want to make a product for you and we want to put the name on it. And it's so generic. Like here's just the mold and you put your name on it. I was like, I could never do that. I couldn't be passionate trying to sell that kind of stuff. So Deep Behe was perfect for me. Like I want my products to like have a purpose. I want people to use them for a reason. And I want to stand out

against all other products so that I can talk about it passionately. Otherwise I couldn't. You also, since we just had her on, have a collab with Kristen. Can you talk about the blonding thing? That looks amazing. Yeah. So it's the coolest product in the world. And for women who need this, it's a game changer. So when you get your hair really, really blonde, you leave the salon. It's bright. It's beautiful. But then you go wash it in your shower. And we have crap in our shower. So the water builds up on your hair and it dulls out the blonde. Or you travel. Like New York water, way different than LA water. When my sister first moved to New York, she had really blonde hair and it turned like this brassy weird orange color. So Kristen and I created this product because Kristen travels so much and

she's always working so she needs her color to look bright. It's a powder. It's the brightening powder and it pulls those impurities off of your hair and makes them bright again without having to go back to the salon. And that's been like a massive thing for us because hard water is a real thing. We don't even realize that the pollution in the air, if you spend a week in New York, like your hair color changes because there's so much pollution in the air. So this kind of gives you a refresh without having to go and use bleach at the salon. That makes so much sense. That is amazing. Because you know how it gets like dingy right away. You leave the salon, it's really, really blonde. But then a few weeks later, it's kind of dull. And it's not because the color is messed

up. It's like stuff that's happening to your hair out in the environment. So this product pulls out all that off and makes it really bright again. Like it's a trip. Like you look like you got highlights again. Michael's head of hair is pretty amazing. Would you say? Yeah, incredible. I'm like waiting for that hairline to thin out. It hasn't thinned. I inspect it every night. Here's a hot tip.

And you probably already know this. What I'm making him do is micro needle his scalp. Okay, well, what I was just going to say. So we have a product, the ACV Scalp Scrub. So it has like Himalayan uh scrubs i can use this yeah and so i swear you guys like my two brothers they won't listen to this podcast probably what do you mean they're not gonna take it my sister will my brothers probably won't but both of my brothers like really fine hair at the temples i have the thickest head of hair and i swear it's

because i scrub my scalp people don't realize that you have to wake up your scalp to keep it growing. Lots of guys, I'm wearing a hat today because I gave myself really bad highlights on accident. But you have to wake up your scalp all the time. Like guys who wear hats all the time, your scalp kind of like dies and then your hair starts to shed and you lose it. If you wake up your scalp constantly

with something like the ACV scrub or the microneedling. Well, I use it like a gnarly brush too. Not like a hard one. Yeah, I brush out my hair every day and really hit the scalp. Like you have to wake it up. Like women, they're constantly playing, pulling their hair, combing through it. But people don't realize that like a scalp

that kind of goes to sleep, like a guy's, that's where the hair starts to shed. I got a small head. I look like a freak without hair. That is such an amazing product that it's a scrub because you're so right. It like dry brushes your scalp. Exactly. I scrub my, so I do it at least every week. I make sure that I do, but on Sundays

when I'm in the bath, I scrub the crap out of my scalp and then you let the ACV sit. So it's the ACV scrub. So it has the apple cider vinegar in it, but that on your scalp is so good for your pores and everything. But then the scrub, you get all that gunk off. We put products in our hair. It all like clogs the pores. That also makes your hair shed. It makes you lose hair. You have to wake up your scalp. You have to clean it.

A lot of people don't think about their scalp. Scalps are nasty. All my years doing stuff in the salon, when I would go through like people like, oh my God, my hair is so dirty. Like I can't believe you're looking at it. And I was so like desensitized to it that nothing freaked me out.

But you know what's gross? Women who use dry shampoo every single day. It's like just a film of crust on their scalp because they're just adding dry shampoo all the time. You have to get that off your scalp at some point. Just a regular little shampoo is not going to take that off. You have to go in there and scrub those products off of your scalp. This brings me to a perfect segue.

We are going to have Justin on the Get the Fuck Out of the Sun podcast where I'm going to have justin on the get the fuck out of the sun podcast where i'm going to be asking you 600 questions about the scalp and the skin because you're so right it does get overlooked before you go can you leave our audience with a book a podcast a resource a netflix series a reality television show that you think everyone needs to be watching you can do all of them whatever you're doing, I love to like be really thoughtful with these things. And you sprung that on me. I know you're watching a reality show. Kristen said White Lotus, which I'm loving.

Oh, I love White Lotus so much. It was so freaking good. But no, I watch all the housewives. If you don't watch Potomac, you have to watch it. People don't realize that Potomac is the best. Because the dynamic and the history is so much deeper than just they're all trying to be friends. Absolutely. And I feel like they, yeah, you nailed it. Exactly that. They have lots of different twists and turns. But the book that I would say,

I said it before on your podcast and I just read it again a couple months ago, but I still stand by Rich Dad, Poor Dad. I think that everybody out there who's thinking about money or wants like a simple way to break down money. I get so bummed that people don't teach us in school like how to save money and make money. I think our country- We've been talking a little bit more about- Hold on, you guys have to just spin off

for like two minutes on this because Michael, we just had a finance guy on and people love this subject. Ramit Sethi on the podcast. We were talking about, yeah, and I did one like, listen, I'm no expert, but just I think it's that's, the episodes have been received really, really well. And I didn't realize they would be, especially for this show.

And I think it's because there's so many young people that just don't get proper education on how to think about money, manage finances, like save balance. Michael read Tony Robbins' book on money and it changed our life. Was that when I read Rich Dad Poor Dad a long time ago? There's like, you know, Richest Man in Babel. There's a lot of like books like i just think that the the problem is is that i realized i had to go read all these things because nobody ever taught me like you can go to college and get an economics degree right but like nobody really teaches you just like basic household money management i don't believe in conspiracy theories and i don't really like even go into those conversations very much because it's just like a dead end. It just keeps going. But I do believe that somebody out there

likes the fact that we're all in debt. Sure. Because you use a lot of debt. Because then we're dependent. You know what I mean? And people don't understand interest. Yeah. I want my own money. And when people look at me, they're like, oh yeah, of course he's made money. He worked with all this. I didn't make my money off of going to Jennifer Aniston's house for highlights or going to Miley. You know, it's like mine was about saving money, buying real estate at 24 years old in West Hollywood, where it's the most expensive and like learning how to flip that into other things. Also living below your means. You know, I wasn't the hairdresser that right when I started

making money, I bought a BMW or a Mercedes, you know, it's like, so those kinds of things, you got to think one line, there's a book you might like by Morgan Housel. It's called, I think it's called the psychology of money. And like one of the main lines he says is rich is what you see. Wealth is what you don't see. Yes. Right. And I think like, once you understand, once you understand money, didn't you feel that Nantucket, Nantucket, I mean, they're all driving those beat up up old like cool land cruisers and stuff like that but you're like that bitch has

money. She's carrying that little like Apple watch. I'm like L.A. can suck a dick Apple watch. You know like just

like totally like no label. I love jewelry and clothes and I'm such a gay man that way on Nantucket I'm like okay you need to calm down with the

jewelry. Take some of that like these people are actually rich. You don't need 14 left. But it's a real thing. I mean, when you talk about like really wealthy people don't show it off, you know, I think there's a different, like, and I think like, that's the biggest thing is people don't understand the difference between rich and

wealthy and rich usually means that you're financing something that there's a payment and that there's an interest, right? Like wealth is like, there is no leverage, right? Like you have actual wealth, right? So you could be somebody that like, who's rich or somebody that lives with zero debt and owns all their assets free and clear as someone with a huge mortgage and a huge car payment, right? Like they may look rich, but they are well, we're so off now because we see everything on reality shows and social media. It's all about money and showing off and stuff. But it's so easy to look like you're rich, by the way. And these people, I remember one of my clients in LA, she was like the biggest divorce attorney.

I feel like I've told you guys this story before, but she said to me one time, she's like, Justin, everyone is faking it in this city. She's like, because I see the finances when people go through divorces. And she's like, there'll be people with like Bentleys and Rolls Royces. And we go to split everything up. I'm like, you have no money like where is

you have a lot of payments yeah that freaks me out more than anything that freaks me out that just seems like anxiety at all times to me yeah you want to work

towards not having obligations to make payments right like you want to actually own things and that small dick energy when you're just doing all that stuff

it's like who are you trying to impress? No one cares. No one cares. No one cares what kind of car you drive. I don't think anyone cares. Well, the wrong people care too. Like, do you want those friends?

I mean, I had them in LA. I had to leave that for all that. You know, it's like… Yeah, you are so… But I like nice things. I don't want to say that too action. I like nice things too. Because I love nice things.

But I want to own them. You know what I like the most though? Autonomy and freedom. That's what I like the most though? Autonomy and freedom. That's what I like the most. And that's what I've realized. Whenever people talk about success or what does success mean to you? To me, it's freedom.

Like everything I do is because I want to be free later in my life to do whatever I want. You want to be in bed with your tray, with your egg coddler, getting your martini. Exactly. I love that book recommendation. Where can everyone find you? Can we do a DPU giveaway? Yeah, I absolutely can. The code is skinny 20 and you can go to

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