The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Kaitlynn Carter On The Hills BTS, Dating In The Public Eye, Pregnancy, & Pre/Postpartum

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

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What's this news that you have that you're not telling me? What's the secret? There's something going on. And of course I wasn't going to lie to him. Because I just think that would be a shitty thing to do. And I had planned to tell him, you know, he was one of the first people I wanted to tell anyway. Just out of respect because I continue to work with him. And a lot of people say to me, why you don't owe him anything?

You know, you guys are split up. I continue to work with him. And a lot of people say to me, why you don't owe him any information? You don't owe him anything. You know, you guys are split up. But I don't, I think that that's the problem and why people have a hard time maintaining cordial relationships with exes is because they don't, like, they can't be bothered to have a mutual respect to just think, oh, maybe it would be polite to let, you know, this person know.

Something that's probably going to have somewhat of an effect on them. Ooh, we got a good one for you today. Kaitlyn Carter's on the show. We try to get a good one for you every time. Yes, we do. Kaitlyn Carter's good too. You guys are going to like this episode

because I feel like it shows a different side of her. If you watch her on the hills or you know her through Instagram, she really brings her full personality here. And she talks about her pregnancy must haves, beauty tips, skin tips, all the things, the behind the scenes. She also talks about the hills too, which is awesome. The best guests are the ones that come and just open up and have just normal conversations. You know, the worst is when you come in and you like have to dance around or there's PR involved and

you can only talk about certain things. Like I love when guests come on and just like have to dance around or there's PR involved and you can only talk about certain things. I love when guests come on and just like, let's shoot the shit and talk about anything. That's exactly what Caitlin just came on and did. Yeah. I think that this episode is one our audience is really going to love. I was taking notes during it. She gave me some tips and tricks, a little backstory on her. She was an American blogger, which is how I initially met her story in a second, television personality, entrepreneur, and socialite. Many of you may know her because she was married to Brody Jenner. Then her and Brody broke up and she drew a lot of attention because she started dating Miley Cyrus. Who? Miley Cyrus, wrecking ball Miley Cyrus. And now she's in a new relationship. She seems super happy with Christopher Brock. He is a

fashion designer. I actually met Caitlin back in the day, right when she started dating Brody. We met at Vandervoort in San Diego. We did this like really spooky Halloween shoot together. And I just remember meeting her and telling Michael, she is so down to earth. She's so nice and she's so kind. And she's still like that today. We actually ended up, I don't know if you know this, Michael, doing her blog, which was called the Western wild. So I have this company called blog do with my partner, Erica fashion lush, and we got to make over her whole blog. It was super cute called the Western wild. She turned it to Hamish Carter. And ever since then and

following along for the last couple of years, I've just seen her entrepreneurial side shine a lot. I am very excited to watch her become a mother. And like I said, you're really going to like this episode. On that note, let's welcome Kaitlyn Carter to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Do you remember the first time we met? Was it on the Vandervoort shoot? No, that was... Well, blog do. And Western Wild. Right. Yes. I mean, I know that you... Yeah. You designed my original blog. Yes. And everyone was so obsessed. And then we did a random creepy photo shoot with vanderbort that was so much fun the halloween shoot where we were covered in fake blood or

did they just do that in post i can't remember there were speckles of blood all over us in the in the post what kind of shoot was that for it's a long story i feel like you just have you can i think it's on my blog if you google the skinny confidential Caitlin Carter, maybe Halloween. And you've been on the blog. I think so. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This has been a long time coming. I'm so happy you're on the podcast now. You're pregnant. Congratulations. Thank you. Eight months.

Yep. And how's it going? Honestly, how's it going? Yeah. Well, it's just very different from what I think I anticipated it would be. I had a little bit of a rough go at the beginning. I experienced something called prenatal depression, which is pretty much the exact same thing as postpartum, but it just happened in the first trimester for me. So it was really bizarre and it was very confusing and upsetting to me because I had wanted to have a baby for so long. And I was so excited when I found out I was pregnant.

And then the hormones just sent me into this kind of downward spiral. And I, I've never really experienced, I thought I had experienced depression before. I've had anxiety almost my entire life on and off, but nothing really compared to this. And maybe this is something you can relate to. But it just felt to me like the best way I can describe it is that everything in the world turned to black and white. And there was nothing that could really get me to feel any better than just kind of a neutral line. Like I felt like I had no emotions, just like my personality disappeared. And the scariest part for me was not knowing how long that was going to last. Like if I was ever going to go back to feeling normal or feeling like

myself, you know, I talked to my mom and she said to me, I know this is really hard right now, but I promise you when you get to 12 weeks, it's going to change. It's just like all of a sudden out of nowhere, your hormones rebalanced. And I know for some people with morning sickness in the first trimester, there are other symptoms and sometimes they last longer than the first trimester. But for me at 11 weeks, exactly, it just kind of went away and I felt so much more normal, which was a huge relief. And I also am keeping that in mind going into after the baby because you're more likely to have postpartum if you had depression during pregnancy too. So I'm just kind of keeping that in mind knowing like

I'm going to probably feel like this again and just kind of remind myself that at some point it'll stop, you know, and I'll feel better again. If you get postpartum depression or anxiety, text me and we'll get you a little mushroom chocolate. That actually sounds like the best way to handle it that I've heard. Because I went into the experience with it thinking, why am I upset? And when I was able to actually figure out why I was upset, I was able to move on. It's weird. And also, I think, too, when you're a new mom, it brings up all these emotions with your own mom. It's very weird whether they're alive or dead or whatever. It just brings up stuff that you're not expecting. And you start to like kind of like reminisce on the past. It's

weird. I don't know if that's for everyone. That was for me. Well, I definitely have experienced an already heightened sense of anxiety, which I feel from having spoken with so many of my girlfriends, I feel like it's pretty common because all of a sudden you've got a lot more responsibility and you've got another human that you're responsible for and have to worry about every little thing. So I already kind of am aware that that's going to be a thing. But I don't mean to make this sound all negative because I also feel like I've had, aside from that experience at the beginning, I feel like I've had a very easy pregnancy and I feel generally really lucky that I have felt

really good. You know, I mean, I never got sick, which I have to be really thankful for. And I don't know. But I do think it's also every step of it's been different from what I anticipated. So it's been kind of surprising. And even though everyone tells you all the things that to expect and kind of what you're going to experience, for some reason, I was like in denial that I was going to experience any of those. So when each thing, each phase of the pregnancy happens, I'm like, oh, I don't know. I don't think I'm going to end up having sciatica or like whatever symptom it might be. And then on the dot every time exactly when, you know, I'm like not the first person to be pregnant, but for some reason, I didn't think that all these things were going to, I was going

to be checking so many boxes. And I really have. I mean, it's it's sort of even though it's an individual experience, it seems like in reality it is pretty universal. Like everyone has somewhat of a similar experience. I think you can be simultaneously upset about certain things during pregnancy and after, but also be grateful. I don't get this thing where we have to like only have one emotion. That's just like gratitude. You can also, you know, be upset or emotional and, but also be so happy that you're pregnant and you have a healthy pregnancy. I think that they're not necessarily intertwined. Yeah, no, I think you're right. And I feel like people are beginning to talk about that more. I remember reading in the

first few weeks that I was pregnant, I remember reading an interview with Shay Mitchell where she talked about how she wasn't the happiest pregnant person and that she had she actually, I think, experienced some depression during pregnancy also. And I feel like it's becoming a more common conversation. And I think you're right. Just because you may not be the most comfortable or happiest pregnant person doesn't mean that it isn't totally worth it or that you're not still excited. Like you can have both of these emotions for sure. That is who I got my doula recommendation from. Really? Because she was so honest about that. That's why I wanted that doula because the doula helps you afterwards too.

How is it filming? First of all, I know filming a reality show is there's so much that goes into it. How is it filming a reality show, being pregnant and hiding it with your ex-husband? That's a lot of dynamic. Yeah. I feel like again, my relationship with with him has I don't know if it's just our personalities or what, but I feel like we had a fairly seamless split. Like we were very on the same page at the time that we decided to go our separate ways, which I think helped tremendously because it wasn't like one of us was really wishing that we were still together. It was definitely a mutual decision. And so then filming,

it really had more challenges. I feel like when Chris became my current boyfriend, baby daddy, when he began to film a bit with us, because initially the intention was never to have Chris film the show. Then of course, when I got pregnant, I knew we were going to be still filming when it was going to be, and it was going to become clear that I was pregnant and it wouldn't have made any sense to not for there to just be no guy and I'm pregnant all of a sudden. And I think at that point when we decided to have Chris on the show, that was not Brody's favorite thing. Like he didn't necessarily want to be working with my new person. Um, so I think things got a little bit more challenging then. And, but you, I, I watched the show. I love the Hills. You were also having to film before this with whatever he was bringing around. Right. He was bringing around like not even girlfriends let's not forget

in between all of this there's a lot going on in the tabloids with that other known person there's like a million things going on in your life so i can see like this is this is like it's not the most linear like picture path here i feel like you don't have a lot of people to talk to about the situation you can't call a friend let's just say say your puzzle's not the clearest puzzle. There's a lot of pieces. No, it's been bizarre. I'll sometimes hear, oh my God, yeah. No, I know. I, yeah.

The last time I saw you, that was all going on. I know, I remember when I did Whitney's show at the Grove. Yes, in the Grove. And were you guys filming then or at break or what? We were not filming then. Because that was wild too. We had just finished the first season. Yes. Yeah, and then we were supposed to start filming again in october of 2019 that was delayed and then right when we started filming in 2020 the pandemic hit

yeah we saw you right i saw you right before the pandemic and then that's when all that was going on and then is it like bizarre to date these people that like people end up stalking you and following you like because of who you're dating. I mean, I just feel like it's it's a unique situation that you're in and it's a lot of pressure. Yeah. I mean, I think that I found myself I think what's what's most frustrating to me about it is sometimes hearing people say that I somehow like engineered this entire thing because I mean, I don't know, I don't know what kind of a mastermind would be able to like plot this entire process, but I feel like there's no way but to have just fallen into it. And so it was really

having not made any conscious effort to end up in any of those situations other than just meeting these people and having whatever connection, you know, it was very different with each person that I've been with. But yeah, I mean, it's not like I intended on being in these really complex situations and all of a sudden, right, you've got everybody in the world chiming in on like who you are and what your intentions are and whether you're good enough or you're not good enough. And you're just trying to balance your actual personal relationships with each of these people and not let any of that infiltrate. But I mean, I didn't really I am in a much better place, I think, being in a relationship that isn't

in the spotlight like that, because it's so much easier without everyone's two cents or even being, I mean, there were days where we would just be trying to go to lunch and would have to like switch cars, get a fake car, hide in the back of a car. I mean, just crazy things just to go eat, which I remember getting in a fight one day about, I was so hungry and we like, couldn't just go straight to a restaurant because if we did, we were going to be followed there. And I was like getting hangry in the car. And, you know, these are just things. This is with Brody or this is. No, this was with Miley. Okay. And so, okay. And so you're, you want to go eat. I always worry about, I mean, like I could, that is one thing I empathize with, with people of

that level of fame. It's like, you can't even just go do normal things. You're just like bombarded. Like that's got to be so exhausting. You got a little taste of it, obviously. Yeah, it was bizarre. I mean, it's like a born identity. Right. And I guess, yeah, I mean, it's just strange because and then whatever you're doing,

whenever you go somewhere is then like overanalyzed and turns into a story on its own. So I can see why people don't want to be followed because everything is just your own life outside of that. So the show kind of becomes your narrative. But the thing with the show and, you know, it's you kind of have to go along with whatever needs to work for the for the storyline of the show to make sense. So I don't know if you guys did you watch this season of The Hills? I have watched every season of The Hills and Laguna Beach. I love I love it. I was a huge fan growing up. I watched all of it. So crazy. I can't imagine like being on that show that I watched in high school. Well, that's another thing I would have never in a million years thought that that was going to happen. Well, no. And I actually want to say something in your defense. I have lived in L.A. and it's a small community. Like you go to dinner and you see you sit next to like, you know,

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the reality. So we had actually tried to not, the idea was floating around for a couple of years and it was always a no because we didn't really, neither Brody or I really wanted to do that. In hindsight, I actually feel like this past season of the show has been kind of fun to me because I went into it after that whirlwind the last time I saw you when we, when we did Whitney's show. We did a live show at the Grove and you participated. Yeah, just give context. Yes. And so after that, I really kind of hunkered down by myself at home and with a therapist and spent a lot of time just working on myself and taking time to kind of reflect on who I really am. And it's hard to not lose yourself when you're in a relationship with someone else. And I think between the few relationships I had in that period of time, it was really confusing to me. Like,

what do I want? Who is the type of person I want to be with eventually? And just kind of get to a place where I was really good with myself. So by the time we started filming The Hills, I was in such a good place. I was like having the time of my life and nothing that anyone did or said on there could really phase me at all, which was great. So I was having a really fun time making the show. And then towards the end, and the reason I asked you if you'd watch the season was because, you know, in the end, the last two episodes were kind of about me sharing my pregnancy news with Brody. And obviously we had a conversation in private. I mean, I hate to ruin the illusion that like that was the moment on TV. Don't ruin my illusion, Caitlin. What? Don't break my heart.

I think it's real. I'm sure I'm going to get in trouble for this, for saying it, but whatever. Who knows if we'll ever have another season of The Hills anyway. i don't really know where that stands so may as well say it now we had talked i had told brody and actually here's some juicy this is some juice for you guys okay i love some good juice michael actually does love juice this is kind of interesting because i actually hadn't told anyone that i was pregnant i was probably only seven weeks. And I had we'd gone on a trip to film to Tahoe. And I was feeling really shitty. And I needed to go home early from filming that night because we were filming when we're on trips for the hills. We're filming 18 hour days long. So around 10, I was like, look, I need to go home. And they just won't really let you go home unless you have a really good excuse. So I had to tell the showrunner that I was pregnant because I was like, you know what?

She's going to find out eventually anyway. And I am probably going to be a little difficult to work with the next couple of weeks at least. So I should let her know. So I told the showrunner and somehow Spencer Pratt got word. Somehow. Somehow. When I was seven weeks. So like hadn't told my parents. And he went and told Brody like the next day. And so I got a call from Brody and he said, what's this news that you have that you're not telling me? What's the secret? There's something going on. And of course, I wasn't going to lie to him because I just think that would be a shitty thing to do. And I had planned to tell him,

you know, he was one of the first people I wanted to tell anyway, just out of respect, because I continue to work with him. And a lot of people say to me, why you don't owe him any information. You don't owe him anything. You know, you guys are split up. But I don't I think that that's the problem and why people have a hard time maintaining cordial relationships with exes is because they don't like they can't be bothered to have a mutual respect to just think, oh, maybe it would be polite to let, you know, this person know something that's probably going to have somewhat of an effect on them, you know, emotionally. It's not like he was devastated, but I still felt like I owed it to him to just tell him. So at that point, even though it was really upsetting that I like

didn't get to just share the news on my own, Spencer had told him so he actually found out really early. When you and Brody, you mentioned this earlier, you guys had a very seamless split. Do you have advice to anyone out there that wants to? It seems you had a seamless split. Do you have any advice to someone that wants to keep things cordial besides, you know, just having open communication? Was there anything else that you think you guys did different? Because it does feel when I'm watching the show that you guys are working together and you're friends. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like. I mean, I think that there's we definitely maintain a certain distance and boundary from

each other where we can easily be in a room and hang out and have a good time. But it's not like we're going out of our way to hang out when we're not working. Does it bother you with all these all these friends that are like trying to get with him on the show? Or is that like well the one thing that I will say is that that was weird was just that I genuinely did not know what was going on with him and Audrina that entire time so it wasn't like I don't think it would have bothered me except I could just never get a straight answer out of them and I was kind of

like why is this getting why is this becoming? Like, why aren't you guys just saying whether you are dating or aren't dating? I don't understand that. And then everyone else was talking about it and I just didn't. You just like felt out of a loop. Yeah. Well, it's wishy. It was wishy-washy. Yeah. I think that's what the actual answer was, was that they didn't have an answer because they were just kind of doing whatever they needed to do to fulfill their parts, you know? But yeah, you asked me before about all the other girls coming around too. And I think that for me, because I was, I had moved on from the relationship. It just didn't really make a difference to me whether there were girls there or there weren't girls there. It was

just kind of like Brody's Brody. I mean, I know the person that I was with. It wasn't really a surprise to me that that's like what he, how he decided to move forward with his life was dating other women. I mean, you seem like you have really evolved and done a lot of work on yourself to me. Like, it seems like you're in therapy. Like, I also have listened to your podcast. Like, you're very about mental health. Like it seems like you are constantly trying to grow. You strike me as someone like that. Well, I think I'm maybe just the kind of person who can't ever sit still and can't be doing nothing. So if I have any time on my hands, I'm trying to come up with what I can do to either contribute. I think that that and this

is some advice that one of my friends gave me, which I feel like was really helpful, was that the most, like the best you're ever going to feel and the most fulfilled you're ever going to feel is in all the ways that you're giving back or giving something to other people. And to really kind of focus your time and energy on that. Because it's easy to turn inward and pity yourself or try to blame everyone else for everything. And I think that only when you try to take what it is that you're experiencing and learn and share that in some way or in some way try to help others or contribute to the world, you begin to grow and feel fulfilled. But I don't know if you want me to go back into the advice for breakups.

Yes, go back into that. And not that I'm in any way an expert, but I just feel like it just all goes back to respect. And I feel like that's just in general in any relationship is like taking a second to think, OK, how can I handle, you know, these situations in a respectful way and just like taking a deep breath? I do think it helped that, again, he and I were on the same page about going our separate ways, you know, so there wasn't like one person who was bitter about anything. Will he ever have kids? I don't know. Maybe, you know what happens when someone has kids in a friend group? It dominoes. Yeah, but I don't, I don't think,

well, I think that's happening in my, my friend group outside of him, but I don't know well I think that's happening in my my friend group outside of him but I don't know I mean I think part of me feels like he always just said he wanted to have kids eventually just because that was what I wanted to hear I don't know if he not to say that he can't change or grow into that eventually but I mean from experience, I feel like he's really happy living his life. Yeah. And if that works for him, like whatever, he's having a good time. Yeah. Yeah. If that works for him, that works for him. And you know what else I will say? I am like having a baby is no joke. I don't know why. You don't say. We just went to France for three weeks without a nanny. Oh my God, I know. Trust me. Well, I need to know more about that too. I need all of your

advice because I really want to be traveling. I want to do everything. There's this toss-up between whether you live your life around the baby or the baby lives their life around you or whatever. I'll tell you our attitude. Some people don't like this, right? I literally don't care what anyone thinks about our attitude on children. I could care less. I don't care. That's been made abundantly clear, I think, from both of us. But I think we always took the attitude of the babies coming into our life, right?

Not the other way around. And that's not to say we haven't changed routine, but we haven't been like, oh my God, we can't do this, or we can't go to dinner, or we can't travel. It's like, if we got to travel, strap up, baby. We're going. Right. You'll figure it out yeah she's been to dinner remember when we were in utah she was at dinner until like one in the morning i mean she's like she's we bring her everywhere like yeah yeah and i think it's interesting now because we've seen it play out close to two years and it's not always the easiest but like she'll sit at the

dinner table with us and she'll she'll get on a plane and she'll hang with other people. And like, again, it's not, she's flexible. She's flexible. Yes. And listen,

sometimes she'll throw a fucking tantrum that's out of control. She'll be like, and I'll be like, okay, well, I've figured out that you say, I'm sorry you feel this way and that this is what's happening. And then you ignore it.

Okay. You can't give it energy. Yeah. You can't give it energy. That's a good tip. Yeah, you can't give it energy. And then she'll snap out of it. That really sounds a lot like how I would handle something anyway. Yeah, it's like,

here's what I'll say. Whatever way you pick, whether you go into the baby's life or they come into yours, there's pros and cons. Yeah, right. Exactly. So there's pros and cons.

You lose a lot of the like easy routine. Like we have friends that are like the baby goes here. We have friends that will literally go home from a party. Right. To give the baby. No, I can't do that. I'm just not that type of person.

The baby's bedtime is 530. We have to be home by that. Or like people will tell me like, well, at that time it's the baby's nap. So I don't think I can do that. And we ring the doorbell. I make noise. Like when she's asleep, like the TVs, like if she, it's like, I want her to sleep in anywhere. Yeah.

And she'll probably just become naturally adjusted to all of that because that's the way she has to live. What's happened is because we've done it since the beginning. Like we were literally at, we were in France and like some of the lunch places, they're obviously like they're playing loud music and people are partying. Obviously we can't party as much when we have a child. We have wine and stuff. And the baby just like fell asleep in the place with loud music. Yeah. I think that's how I grew up too. My parents were restaurant owners. So I grew up falling asleep in a restaurant and like I can sleep anywhere. Here's the difficulty. I wish I could do that. No, that's maybe your parents didn't take you to restaurants. Ask them.

Here's what I would say that I think is very difficult. People will say to us, how do you get the baby to do that? And I think the answer is because that's how she's always been since she's been here. I think it'd be very difficult if we were very structured and routine, and then we brought her out of nowhere to a lot of restaurants and go to sleep. She wouldn't do it. I think you've got to kind of pick your path. We did have a night nurse that was amazing. I know that's not for everyone, but I've been really open about it because I feel so many times influencers like act like everything's so effortless. And the night nurse really helped with was the night nurse every night. I actually have a call right after this with every night nurse

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And so we need we needed help. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've always thought and I feel like it just kind of is common sense that a well-rested parent is obviously going to be a more effective and better parent. So if you can do that, then I don't know. I mean, I'm interested to see. I want to get it in place and then see how the first couple of weeks are at home and see kind of what we need. And let's try it out. Just know, though, I will tell you this, though. I think the one that we hired, we had to hire her months in advance. So make sure it just in case like, do you know what I mean?

Because if you get to the third week and you're like, oh my God, I'm so tired, make sure that there's someone that can relieve you. Yeah, well, that's why I'm hoping if I have a conversation now, I can figure out some way to have them lined up. Do you have family in town? No.

See, that was the other difficulty for us is we're the only two people in our family that are in LA. Everyone else is either in a different state or different city. And so it's just the two of us. We don't have grandma or grandpa to lean on. They will. So my sister had a baby 12 weeks ago. And so my parents have been in full on grandma, grandpa. This is their first grandchild with him. And he'll be five-ish months when our baby's born. And so I was like, perfect timing for you guys to switch and come

out to California and spend a chunk of time. And they will. They'll say maybe they won't know. And then they'll see the baby. Oh, they say they will. I mean, you announced if it's a girl or a boy, right? It's a boy. My sister did it by accident. But I mean, I didn't really care. I wasn't like hiding it or anything. She just accidentally wrote something about like she was so excited to meet her nephew. And then she called me. I didn't even know. I didn't even think about it when I read what she wrote on Instagram. I was like, oh, that's sweet. Whatever. And then she called me the next day and she said, I'm so sorry. I just saw these stories about how you're having a boy and I'm the one that said it. And I was like, I didn't even know. I didn't even. The press is like everywhere. It's funny. Well, yeah. Well, babies seem to

make everyone really excited. Yeah. I want to talk about the the writing piece that you did. I can't remember what magazine it was. It was such a beautiful piece and it resonated so much with me because you tried to explain in it and what you did, how you are attracted to energy. And I thought that was so beautiful because I feel like we're in this world right now where everyone wants to put you in a box and it's black and white. And sometimes, and especially with relationships, it's not always black and white. Yeah. I mean, I just would love to hear more about that piece and like how you wrote it and how you thought about it and what that was like and what the response was. Well, one of the things that I continue to kind of realize that I

wish I had just I don't know, it's and I it kind of sounds like I'm putting this on my parents, which I don't at all feel like they are in any way to blame for any of this. But I just feel like growing up, I never even knew that I had the option to not that I had to be told to have that I had the option, but I never really considered that I might want to date women or that I might be attracted to women in that way. And so it was actually really surprising and shocking to me the first time that this happened, that I was like, wow, I have these feelings for this woman, but I, I wouldn't even, I, it didn't even register to me that they were like romantic feelings until I was in it. And then, and I look, looking back, I was like, wait, this is so obvious that I was romantically attracted to this person, but never, it just never clicked in my head. Cause I think my whole life I'd always been told like, you're going to date a guy, you're going to

marry a man, you're going to have a family and dah, dah, dah. And like, that was just kind of the route that I followed. And I know people kind of roll their eyes at the idea or like some people do of telling your kids, like you can be attracted to who ever like introducing this idea to them early on like you can date whoever you could be a boy or a girl and I mean everybody obviously has their own thoughts on that but I actually feel like had someone said that to me when I was younger I might have considered it earlier and maybe just had different romantic experiences because I feel like the my like the only relationship I've ever had with a woman like a legitimate relationship was probably one of the most emotionally fulfilling relationships. It was a very different experience. And I just kind of wonder, had I been aware

earlier on like what my romantic life would have looked like over the years. So I don't know, like becoming a parent myself, I don't know that I necessarily would do anything differently, like tell my kids. We're also living in a world now where everyone talks about sexuality and gender fluidity and all of that so much more openly that maybe it's just going to become kind of a regular part of a child's dialogue or conversation as they're growing up anyway. I don't know. But it definitely wasn't for me. I don't really think it was for any of us of our generation. Right? Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's kind of generational. So I don't know. I think just the writing the L piece was just sort of like my self-exploration into that and kind of like what I had learned about myself and that I feel like this has got to be the case for other people, like especially people from our generation or older that like you, there may be different sides to you that you don't even realize are there because you've never asked yourself that question. So I think my kind of goal with the piece was just to kind of present that challenge to people like or even just the opportunity like maybe you could you'll find something about yourself that you never knew or that it's okay to just kind of be open to all these different possibilities and you don't necessarily have to fit into a box or fit into

the path that you thought you would your entire life. I thought it was such a beautiful piece. And I actually would give that to my daughter to read. I mean, it's something that like, it's so true what you say. It's more about energy and that and not just this, like, you have to date a girl, you have to date a boy. I'm so happy that is changing. Okay. I remember when I was in high school and college and I would have to drive and park and stand in line to pick up my birth control prescription. This was very frustrating for multiple reasons. First of all, it was a waste of time. Second of all, it was gas. Third of all, I would run into like Sally from high school with birth control in my hands. And fourth of all, it was just a pain in the ass,

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the guardrails that you have to stay within. And I think it could be very confusing to people, especially if your feelings and your intuition is counter to what you're being told, right? Well, I feel like another, to your point, that maybe just a more straightforward way of looking at it would be if you grew up in a house with two doctors as parents and your entire life, you thought you were going to be a doctor. And that was like the path in life that they had carved out for you. But, you know, maybe that's not actually what you want. And you don't realize that until you're way further down the line. I don't know. I mean, I just think that. Or like even other little things where it's like you're

told that at 25, you have to be married and have three kids on the way. Right. Well, that was another thing that I struggled with because I also felt like, and again, you know, my parents didn't do this intentionally, but that's just the life that they had. They had me at 25 and they lived in a small town in New Hampshire and their priority was having kids and raising them. And I think my family has been amazing and I wouldn't change anything. But I but I do think that that was what I thought I had to replicate. And so I put a lot of pressure on myself and in turn my relationship to accomplish those goals on that timeline. And I just don't it's just not necessary. You don't need to do that. You don't need to follow the path that somebody set out for you or even that you've seen as an example for your life. Like you can just do whatever you want. Yeah. It happens in a lot of weird areas too. Like say you like grew up in a family that was, even if you like loop in politics, like maybe your family

was conservative, maybe they were whatever. And like you grew up and like, those are my ideals too. It's like, you don't ever stop to question, but like, wait, do I actually believe this or like this? Or like, is this something that speaks to me? You just kind of like adopt what other people think. It's like this continuous cycle. I love the message because I think it's really important to get people to try to question their assumptions and their beliefs constantly and be like, wait, is this really like actually what I feel, believe? That's what I think I like about Caitlin so much as an influencer. I feel like you've showed us your journey and you've been open

and you're questioning your own things and you've done it openly. And that takes a lot of courage. I mean, it's especially, I always think about you guys and also Housewives. When the show airs, you guys get this influx of all these people's opinions on your Instagram and DMs, I'm sure. Is that difficult? I think because of what you just said that I've sort of always just chosen to be really open about my life. I kind of just owned the way I do things and I don't really give a whole lot of thought to like what people are going to think about them or not. But certainly there are times where people

will say things that sting or, you know, I mean, I almost feel like there are people out there who are really, really good at like honing in on someone's weaknesses or like they're touchy, like the things that would bother them the most and just saying those things. So you just a mess with you. So, I mean, yes, in some ways, or just when you read things that aren't true and you're like, I just want to fix this. But the more you try to fix things, the worse it gets, because then it turns into it spirals out of control. So I think having restraint can be a little bit difficult sometimes. But you you experience it. I mean, I feel like I experience

it on a micro level. I'm not on television. That's a whole different. I mean, I've I've even seen with housewives what people they will like just rip them down. Yeah. I mean, I feel like Instagram needs to and this is a whole different conversation, but needs to have some structure with the bullying. It's so out of control what people can do. I honestly feel like I've gotten off pretty easy considering I feel like I get I have a lot of generally good. I don't know if I've managed to just block the really bad people or what, but I feel like generally I have had a pretty easy like I don't know. I feel like I see a lot more of my friends on Instagram like getting the most hateful,

horrible things said to them for no reason. And it just blows my mind. Like, I don't know who has that much anger and resentment built up that they need to say these things to strangers, but I don't know. I mean, I honestly feel like you may know more, like you may have more of that experience than I do. I think that I actually kind of disagree with you, Lauren, on that Instagram needs to do something. I think the bigger thing that people need to do is they need to start taught. Like I I've been screaming this from the rooftops. People get so mad at me. Like this is the people that are in that negative head space and screaming and fighting on the internet are the minority, right? Like you go out into the

normal world, like, and people start acting like that. Like those people are outcasts, right? Like psychopathic, why are you screaming? But like they're loud on the internet and they're the voices that people focus in on the most because, because they're aggressive. But if you think about it, it's all anonymous. It's all people sitting there probably not in a good headspace. And I think to contextualize that, like when my daughter grows up, I'm going to be like, I'm going to contextualize it that way to her. Be like, hey, these people are not happy people. They're not in a good place. That you probably feel some empathy for them. Like there's something going on in their world. They're like, they're feeling that they need to lash out at a stranger online because something's

happening with them. But again, like this is what happens in these like social ecospheres, like Twitter, Instagram. It's like, it's like one side fighting the other back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. But I do believe like this is not the majority of people. Well, it's such a good, it's actually a really good point too, that you just brought up that if you saw those people, if they were behaving like that in real life, everyone would be like, what is up with this person? We don't want them around. We don't want anything to do with them, but then online. And I hate this, but the people you always end up responding to are the ones that say those shitty things, you know, like the nice people you're like, Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thanks.

Whatever. And then they, the people that say the mean things get the special attention where you really just have to. And I know. And it's the worst. It is. I just think that they're the loudest. Right. But they are a minority. When you have a baby, just make the boundary up front that you're not at request for coaching. Yeah. Because I've got I've gotten things about the car seat, the seat belt. Listen, if someone comes to me and they're like, hey, like, I just want to let you know, that's fine. I'm open to constructive. But when it's a fucking asshole saying something about something she's eating or I'm just like, get the fuck out of here.

Get off my page. Yeah, I'm not the blogger to come at about how to do something. I'm not going to do it by the rule book. I'm going to do it how I want to do it. Yeah, right. Yeah. So you'll see with a baby. It's then you get like you get like protective. Oh, I bet. Yeah. I've been surprised

because I did a, I planned a picnic like a couple of weeks ago for Chris and I just to go down to the beach and have dinner just because I feel like we don't really make time to do that as much right now. And I brought a bottle of wine for him and brie cheese that was pasteurized. But I like took a picture at the beach and it had the wine and the cheese in it. And I was just waiting for somebody to say something. And they never did. And I was like, you know what? Maybe people are growing a little bit. Maybe people are learning that like not everyone wants to hear your opinion on every single thing that they're doing. And by the way, I had I had wine like sometimes throughout my

pregnancy. If you want to have wine and that works for you, like every, everyone's got to do what works for them. Yeah. My doctor actually told me that early on that having a glass of wine here and there was no big deal at all. She's like, it's, it's fine. You just got to make that choice for yourself. And I feel like now it's, it's very different from, I like the, the guidelines change all the time, but you know, it used to be be like you can't have cheeses at all. And now like everything's pasteurized. It's fine.

You can't have sushi, salmon. My friend was at the table who like really like follows all the rules. And I was eating like a lox bagel with like salmon on it and like like unpasteurized cheese. And she's like, what are you doing? I never felt sick. I don't know. Well, that's amazing. That's great. Okay. I'll tell you the reason, the problem with this. So not that what you did was wrong, but I was having a conversation with a woman and I was talking to her about how I had been eating. What had I been eating? Something that I wasn't supposed to. I

think it was, maybe it was like deli meat or like sushi. Oh, fresh, fresh juice. Oh, my God. I had that every day. You're not supposed to eat that. No, you can. But it's just that like it's not pasteurized. Right. So that's the that's the argument against it. But I do it also all the time because, again, my doctor was like, if it's fresh, it's fine. Like you just don't eat juice that's been sitting out for days. I'm like, well, duh, like you don't do that anyway. But I was talking to this woman and I was like listeria isn't like a huge issue here right like I don't think it's really something that I'm gonna have a lot of anxiety about whatever and she's like yeah yeah and she's kind of nodding along to what

I was saying and then she starts talking to me a little bit about her kids and I was like oh and how old are they and she tells me and then she said bit about her kids. And I was like, oh, and how old are they? And she tells me. And then she said, yeah, but like one of them, I actually went into, I actually had to emergency deliver her like four weeks early because I got the steering wheel. And she has no idea how she got it. Yeah, but I'm sure it's from things. I don't know if it was from cheese. I don't know if it was from juice.

And she was just like a woman here in LA, like normal woman that you would, I mean, I don't know. There was like she's living somewhere where you wouldn't think that the food would be clean. It was like so that that was kind of a little wake up call to me. Do your best. Yeah. No, totally. It's all you can do.

Yeah. You know, I mean, I still I still eat all the same stuff. But my only thought on that was I was like, oh, I really just kind of put my foot in my mouth because I was like, oh, who like who gets. I think the bigger thing is like maybe both of you with your platforms, you get held to the standard where like you got to be perfect all the time. Right. And it's just not realistic because none of us are. But and I think especially with you on TV, like as soon as people see anything that looks a little bit different or doesn't feel like it's completely perfect in their eyes, like they go on the attack. Right. It's like at the end of the day, it's like we're just three random regular people like everybody else we don't fucking know people get so mad sometimes because we have the platform like you got to be responsible with your platform

like listen i'm some dumb shit that's just got a mic i've been doing this for four or five years like don't listen to everything i say if you disagree like fine i also think like you have to be your own guru and do your own research i'm just sharing my experience and i'm allowed to evolve and i'm allowed to like this today and not tomorrow. Yeah. Just like everyone. Have you ever been at a dinner with somebody that's like you like them and they're a friend and they just say something really fucking stupid. You're not like, hey, you have a fucking platform and a voice. You better get it right. You are sitting at this table. I'm going to misstep sometimes. okay so recently we moved to austin and we were all about searching for a mattress and the kind of mattress that i would recommend is an organic non-toxic mattress i have learned

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they have you. I mean, the contract, the way that your time works when you're on a trip is different from what it is on a day to day. But yeah, I mean, when we're in Lake Tahoe, for example, a lot of it is just standing and waiting around. I feel like it's, you know, they're coordinating. There were probably three different crews at all times when we were filming. So whether they're rotating here in LA between people's houses every day or on a trip, the three crews are bouncing around to wherever different members of the cast are. I mean, The Hills is a big cast. So there's a lot of juggling schedules.

And then you also have the cast themselves who are like, I'm not available that hour or whatever, you know, and they really try to be very accommodating to us as well. So it's a lot of standing around. I some of the I would say half the cast gets full hair and makeup. You might guess like who gets it. Is it Spencer? There's only one. Yeah. I wonder if he does. Actually, I don't really know. I mean, for sure. Heidi obviously does. I think she's the only one who travels with hair and makeup. Everyone else, we pretty much do our own on the road. And then like at home, I'll pick occasions if there's some special night to do hair and makeup. But I just kind of do my own. I don't know. Who is your real best friend on the cast out of everyone? I would say it's probably probably Caroline DeMora, who was in this season. I like

her pizza sauce. Yeah, it is really good. It's really good. It's really good. Yeah. And so that's a that's a bonus because I have her pizza sauce or pasta sauce at the house all the time. I mean, I think she and I just kind of came into the show with the most in common. At the time, we were both single and we were just like trying to party and have a great time and like live life. But she also does have a daughter. And so that's also kind of been Chris has a six year old and Caroline's got a six year old. So it's just kind of been this really organic kind of growth in our relationship where like all of a sudden I've got a six year old to play with her daughter and we have a nice time in that sense. But I guess from the original, I would honestly still say I feel like Brody is the person that I'm the closest to. That's so cool. That's

really, really cool that you guys can be like that. I mean, you guys work together. That's a lot. 18 hour days. I mean, that takes a lot of maturity. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. I mean, it's fun. I don't know that we're like super mature, but I mean, we get along. We make it work. You want to know what I would do if we were filming a show together for 18 hours and we got a divorce? I don't know. I'm not even going to think about that. Yeah. It'd be really, really creepy what would happen. I should say Whitney, too. But Whitney didn't really film as much this season. So she's cool because I would love to have her around. And then Kristen Cavallari is like the one that I hope they'll always bring

back because she's, she's, she would be, I feel like my favorite person for sure. Yeah. She is, she brings it. She's a professional. Well, I also just feel like she's chill and fun and low maintenance and like, just, just there to have a good time. She's also a very smart businesswoman. Yeah. When I did this book, there's a bunch of different influencers in here that are like in the beauty world. And it was like pulling teeth

to get a lot of answers from people. And I was telling Michael, the way Kristen Cavallari sent me her answers was so professional. She strikes me as someone who's either going to do something to 100% or not do it at all. And that to me is why she's running this huge business and she's so successful. She doesn't seem to have an ego. The questions were huge, meaty questions with high res images. And like, it wasn't like that with everyone else. I'm not saying there were a lot of people that were like that, but it surprised me at how professional she is. Yeah. I mean, I can't say enough good

things about her from my, you know, I'm particularly close, but from my experience, I feel like I would say the same thing. She just, if she's going to do something, she's going to do it wholeheartedly. And, but also I think she doesn't take herself too seriously. And like you said, there's no ego there. It's just, she's just taking care of business. Yeah. Having a good time. I think the audience would be mad if I didn't ask a couple of questions about your wellness beauty. Do you have any wellness practices that you do? It could be a little daily habits, breath work, meditation. Are there any practices that you do in the morning and night? Mine is a little bit more of a nighttime routine, but I feel like I do have a pretty

religious nighttime routine. I, of course, wash my face every night because that was the one thing I never really knew growing up was like how important it was to just like, even if you don't wear makeup during the day to just get your skin clean and it feels so good. So I'll do kind of a little like nightly skin ritual. And then I do, and this has become especially important since I've been pregnant, 20 minute series of stretches and yoga every single night before bed. So I go upstairs like a half an hour before Chris and I'll do this, like wash my face, get into whatever I want to wear to bed and then do my 20 minute series of stretches. And it's just a YouTube video. I can send the link or put it, we can put it somewhere. If people want to do it, will you send it to me? It's great. Yeah.

Okay. We'll put it in the show notes. It's, I feel like it's been life-changing and I feel like it's what's gotten me through any of the painful parts of pregnancy. Like these stretches just really have helped. And then I, when I get in bed, I always put lavender essential oil on like on my wrists, on my neck, and I'll do a series of deep breaths smelling the essential oil. And I feel like that puts me in a really good headspace. And then I actually listened to a headspace wind downs, like different, sometimes it's, what do you call them? Their story. They tell a story. Have you listened to that ever?

Sleepcast. That's what it's called. I have not tried that. We have, what's that thing? What's the thing? Hatch. Hatch. But I think it's similar.

It's similar. It talks to you. Yeah. It's like an alarm light, but it does. You can put different things on there to wind you down. Okay. It changes the light as it's winding you down. Yes. We have one of those in Chris's son's room. Steal it. Yeah. Well, I also want one for the baby. So maybe it'll, yeah. But Headspace

has these sleep casts and you can listen to them and they just tell you, they tell you a story. And they're really charming stories. Like one is about a rainy day where you are in London and it starts raining and you run into this antique shop for cover. And then it talks you through the antique shop and you just hear the sounds of the rain outside. And it's like this really dreamy kind of, I don't know, they're just random stories, but they work every time. So that's kind of my little, my little nighttime routine. And beauty. What are your beauty tips? Like your favorite brow powder, skin, I don't know,

mascara, spray tan, anything like that. So I kind of cut out all the, I don't know what the best way to describe them is, but I sort of, I kind of switched to this very clinical skincare routine. And, um, I, the brand is called Environ and it's, it's Environ and then also Image Skincare, which you've probably, you're probably familiar with, but they're both clinical brands. They're not like super cute packaging or anything, but they're just so effective. And my favorite part of that routine is like a retinol series. They have levels one through five of a retinol moisturizer. And I feel like that moisturizer has completely transformed my skin from, I just always had bumps and weird discoloration and just sticking with that regimen. It's really simple. It's like this vitamin C serum, their vitamin C serum,

Virans with the retinol moisturizer. And then there's something called a revival mask by them. And between those three products, I feel like it's just those have completely transformed my skin. It's probably been a year and a half I've been using them. Completely addicted. I'm going to look into that ASAP. What are you working on right now? What's your day-to-day projects, podcast? Tell us the fun things. The Hills actually, believe it or not, really just finished filming right kind of towards the end as you were watching it. So I really transitioned from working on that to kind of full-time just preparing for the baby and spending time like getting settled in the house and working on that. I'm also in the process of developing a wellness brand, kind of taking into account all these

things that I've been learning. And I don't know if you guys ever have been out to the We Care Spa in the desert here. I keep hearing about this. So I've been several times and they teach you these really kind of basic holistic principles for wellness that are so easy to implement in your life, but I feel like nobody really knows about them. And so taking some of what I've learned there and then just in life in general and kind of combining them into a wellness brand, because I feel like there are simple things that I share on a daily basis with like friends and family

and whatever that everyone, that is like completely just no one knows about it, but it's so simple and straightforward. And I feel like there's a reason, like everyone should know. So that's a brand that I'm in the process of conceptualizing right now, just like projects here and there.

The podcast is on a little bit of a break. But if people can listen to it, it's up. Yes, it's still available. So you can listen to it on, I mean, anywhere that you can listen to podcasts. And it's called The Bright Side. The Bright Side. And it's on all different podcast apps. And where can everyone find your Instagram? Pimp yourself out. My Instagram is at Caitlin. It's just K-A-I-T-L-Y-N-N and that's really kind of it for me for now when you launch

your brand come back on I have no doubt you'll launch it you're much an executor so come back on when you're launched bring me the juice

yeah bring Michael Michael loves the juice Michael loves the hills congratulations on your pregnancy congratulations to you and Chris thanks text me if you have any questions oh I will I'll be texting you. Text me if you have any questions. Oh, I will. I'll be texting you.

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